What's harder- starting a business or having kids?

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Hello to you all, how are you all going? :-) I have a question that nobody I know can answer so I thought I would ask you all here. What do you honestly think is harder- going through the years of hard work persistence stage of starting a business, or having kids? Or are they about the same hard work as each other? I just want to know out of curiosity, because I am a girl who has spent the last 13 years going through the hard work persistence stage of learning all about business and money and starting businesses (lots of temporary failures of course on the journey, but as we all know, that's part of the journey to success and can't be skipped) :-) So, now that I have a business and have been through that very hard start up phase, all the ladies with kids are very thoroughly and very often telling me "That's nothing, WAIT till you have kids THEN you will see what hard work is!

So, I was thinking that maybe having kids and starting a business are about equal in the hardness stakes, or maybe having kids is harder, I don't know because I want to get married and have kids one day but I haven't yet. All my friends with kids say to me hahahha you think its hard starting a business "WAIT TILL YOU HAVE KIDS!!!" that's what they say exactly.

When I ask why they say well hahahah you wont sleep well for a few years and you will have to get up every 4 hours to feed it, then you can forget about going out and having fun for a few years cause you will be exhausted and broke.

Now here are my thoughts and again I don't know about what it's like to have kids, but here are my thoughts about starting a business:

1) when they say you won't sleep for a few years when you have kids, well when you start a business and you don't sleep well for about 10 years anyway right? Kids dont sleep well for say 2 or 3 years and they the whole family can sleep fantastically well, but being an entrepeneur means you have to get by with not enough sleep for sometimes10 years and more

2)when they say you have to get up every 4 hours to feed a baby, I was thinking business people and entrepeneurs are lucky to even GET 4 hours sleep at all! sometimes, especially during the start up phase of a business

3) when the say you won't be able to go out for ages because you will be tired and broke, business people and entrepeneurs don't go out for years either when they are going trhough the hard work persistence stage of starting up a business, and they are tired and broke for often 10 plus years, whereas by age 10 kids and families are happily going out to the movies and the beach and having fun

Plus I was thinking when you have kids, the systems are already laid out ready for you, by others who have gone before you. All you have to do is follow the systems. Go to hospital while they take the baby out, then they teach you step by step here this is how you feed them this is how you bath them, this is what you do and you can read any book or ask any mother how do do it and you don't have to set up any systems yourself. You walk into walmart and everything yo could possibly ever need for it has been researched and taken care of by somebody else. You can just casually cruise the aisles with a milkshake and pick out what you need at a cheap price- nappies, bottles, clothes that have been designed and made by somebody ele already. If a baby get sick you can take it to the hospital ad they lcan ook after it till it gets better. You get moral support off family and friends and other Mothers

With starting a business, you're on your own. You are also tired and exhausted but nobody cares. In fact, instead of moral support you are likely to get teased and jeered by everyone you know telling you to stop wasting your time. Instead of getting up every 4 hours and then after a period of time going back to bed, you often only GET 4 hours sleep. You have to work out ALL the systems by yourself, nobody is going to lay everything out ready for you. You have to work out your own business model, find your own suppliers, work out your own delivery stuff, go through a couple of failed businesses and the depression that causes, all by yourself. If your busienss gets sick, yo can't take it to a hospital and ask someone else to take care of it till it gets better, you have to deal with it yourself

I know that new mothers often get post natal depression, and I know too that new business people and entrepeneurs often get depression too, from all the temporary failing , studying and persistence trials they have to go through.

I know they are both very hard and I am not saying one is harder then the other because I know they are both exteremely hard jobs. I was just curious that's all. So, which do you all think is harder- is having kids harder because they have to be looked after 24 hours a day, whereas at least with a business you can switcjhoff your computer wheenver you need a break and forget about business for a few hours and go for a walk, where as with kids you have to be on alert 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Or are they about the same hard as each other?

Thanks heaps to you all for your time, I do appreciate it a lot :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author AffiliateWaves
    I guess having kids is harder part ,but most it is also most pleasurable moment of life .
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    • Profile picture of the author Underxman
      Having kids. A business is something you can put aside/get rid off.
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      • Profile picture of the author savidge4
        Kids are harder, no question... but kids and business forget about it. its 3:30am on Sunday and I am still plugging away. Son is in bed, and now I can work.

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  • Profile picture of the author goldtiger
    Hello, thanks heaps for your answers, I really appreciate it :-) Do you think that by having started a business and going through a lot of exhaustion already , I will be a bit "battle hardened" and ready for the challenge, or will I still be exahusted 24/7 ? Just wondering so I know what to expect. Im sick of being exhausted, I thought I had "done my time" :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    Raising a family is always more difficult, in my opinion. The stakes are higher, too: if you fail in business, you can start again; but fail at raising someone, and that person must still go on.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      I wouldn't even consider this a comparable thing. I don't want kids but run a business But I have chosen this route because those kids are your responsibility no matter what.

      I mean sure, there's bankrupting the business. But in terms of caring for a kid that means you're incapable of caring for them and have them taken away (or you forfeit them). This looks horrible for you on a number of levels and comes with deeper ramifications than mere debt or a single failed project that a business can be.

      I chose a horrid way to compare the two lol but caring for a life that resides within your responsibility is not something I can easily swallow.

      A business is an entity created for tax purposes and so isn't even really a person. It can be dissolved just like my first business that didn't work out. There's no comparable situation for a child. We're talking about two different worlds of factors and responsibilities that a "what's harder" line of inquiry just can't touch :confused::p
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  • Profile picture of the author goldtiger
    Hello, and thanks heaps for your replies, I really appreciate it :-) I see that having kids seems to be harder. To heanysm, I am not in any way saying that business is more important than a life, I was just wondering which is harder. I know for sure that life is more important than a business. But business can also help sustain life, I saw many actual photos from the great depression in the 1930's where people had kids and then they didn't spend time also in starting a business and they and their kids got thrown out of their houses and unfortunately they all then suffered and went hungry. I know the stakes are high in both, as not having an income during a depression is also bad for kids health if there is no food or doctor or medicine or heat in winter. Being a hungry or homeless kid is also bad for a kids health, if the parents have no income. If you look on google under great depression homeless children and then click images, you will see what I mean.
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  • Profile picture of the author popstocks
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    Both similiar....Do both then you see.

    "Harder"?...Or more pleasurable?

    "kids"
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  • Profile picture of the author dinkO14
    In my opinion. it's not hard to have kids, but it's big responsibility. Their lives are in our hands, and we don't have opportunitys for the wrong moves.

    Starting a business is hard and requires a lot of work. But with one mistake you will not "destroy" someone life.

    Children are the best thing a man can have in life.
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  • Profile picture of the author goldtiger
    Thanks heaps for that, I really appreciate it :-) It's good that that everyone says that kids are more rewarding even though it is harder work, it gives me something to look forward to
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  • Profile picture of the author goindeep
    Great post. Both just as hard in different spectrums. And both just as rewarding.

    But dont forget that you are comparing two totally different things.

    You can sell a business, much harder to sell a whiney kid though.
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  • Profile picture of the author OnlineAddict
    Taking care of kids is hard...but can be done. Taking care of business is hard, but can be done. Now, taking care of business while taking care of kids...thats the hardest. But can be done, too.
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  • Profile picture of the author The JollyRoger
    I have found that making children is much more pleasurable than making a business.

    This of course depends on how much beer you had to drink, how good looking your partner is, and whether or not you had to marry her because she decided to make an employee or two
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      "Having" kids isnt that hard - problem is, once you have them....quitting is not an option. You can quit a business any time you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013

    Plus I was thinking when you have kids, the systems are already laid out ready for you, by others who have gone before you. All you have to do is follow the systems. Go to hospital while they take the baby out, then they teach you step by step here this is how you feed them this is how you bath them, this is what you do and you can read any book or ask any mother how do do it and you don't have to set up any systems yourself. You walk into walmart and everything yo could possibly ever need for it has been researched and taken care of by somebody else. You can just casually cruise the aisles with a milkshake and pick out what you need at a cheap price- nappies, bottles, clothes that have been designed and made by somebody ele already. If a baby get sick you can take it to the hospital ad they lcan ook after it till it gets better. You get moral support off family and friends and other Mothers

    With starting a business, you're on your own. You are also tired and exhausted but nobody cares. In fact, instead of moral support you are likely to get teased and jeered by everyone you know telling you to stop wasting your time. Instead of getting up every 4 hours and then after a period of time going back to bed, you often only GET 4 hours sleep. You have to work out ALL the systems by yourself, nobody is going to lay everything out ready for you. You have to work out your own business model, find your own suppliers, work out your own delivery stuff, go through a couple of failed businesses and the depression that causes, all by yourself. If your busienss gets sick, yo can't take it to a hospital and ask someone else to take care of it till it gets better, you have to deal with it yourself

    I know that new mothers often get post natal depression, and I know too that new business people and entrepeneurs often get depression too, from all the temporary failing , studying and persistence trials they have to go through.
    A few things:

    There is no "system" for having and raising kids. Every kid is different and every family has different circumstances. The hospital actually teaches you very little. They pretty much teach you how to feed and change diapers - assuming there are no health problems.

    My son had some minir problems when he was born. After we were discharged from the hospital, we had to go back for constant blood tests to make sure he was making progress. Sometimes it was urgent, like at 11pm at night. I had to make runs to the store to buy special formula the doctor said we needed, again, usually late at night.

    And remember, this is a LIFE we're talking about.

    Babies are helpless. They can't tell you what they need. What do you do when you're baby won't stop crying and it's 1am? I don't know if you've ever been around a screaming baby in the middle of the night, but it's stressful as hell.

    Even going to the store to buy essential supplies can be a challenge. What are you going to do when your child is screaming or won't stop crying? What if your child has a diaper blowout right in the middle of the store? What if the store is out of the supplies you need?

    Just read a book about how to do it? Ha! I wish it was that easy. There are so many books on so many subjects about raising kids, no one book will give you the answers you need. I gave up on those parenting books because the most authors write as if it were a perfect world.

    Post partum depression has very little to do with stress and is VERY serious. It's biological. A mom's hormones go crazy after a child is born and can play havoc with the chemicals in the brain. If the mom is already dealing with depression, even minor, watch out.

    Post partum depression can get so bad some mothers need to be hospitalized. Suicidal ideation and thoughts of harming the child are common. While rare, some actually go through with it. I know of one mom who got post partum psychosis, where she literally lost touch with reality and was in the psych ward of the hospital for over a week.

    I think you're comparing apples and oranges. I have experience doing both, and starting a business is a walk in the park. Businesses come and go. But your child will ALWAYS be your child and you're responsible for him/her for at least 18 years, maybe more.

    I was also in the military and that first month or two after my son was born was much more stressful than boot camp.
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  • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
    Please don't get me wrong, having kids is extremely rewarding and I love it. I take care of my son full time and love seeing him grow and mature. We have a lot of fun together.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Anyone can have a business - it's quick and easy to set up or you can pay to have it done for you. What's difficult is having a profitable, consistent revenue business that goes on indefinitely into the future.

      Anyone can have kids - clueless teens do it every day without even trying. What's difficult is caring for and raising children in a nurturing, loving environment.

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  • Profile picture of the author goldtiger
    Hello, you are all so smart, thanks heaps for your advice :-) So, is there anything I can do to lessen the impact of exhaustion when I have kids? Like, are there any tricks of the trade that can help, or is it plain exhaustion all the way? What if I use some money from my business to get a cleaner to help with the house work, and if I get some ready prepared family healthy meals delivered often , would that help? Or is it still a one way ticket to exhaustion with no shortcuts?
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Having kids, hands down!

      Never oh ever was any part of my business as painful as labor pains and contractions! Seriously!


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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Going a bit over the top, aren't you? If you don't have kids yet - why worry about who is cleaning or cooking ...or sleeping? Don't know why you seem obsessed with "exhaustion" - that's a temporary downside and something you forget about quickly.
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by goldtiger View Post

      Hello, you are all so smart, thanks heaps for your advice :-) So, is there anything I can do to lessen the impact of exhaustion when I have kids? Like, are there any tricks of the trade that can help, or is it plain exhaustion all the way? What if I use some money from my business to get a cleaner to help with the house work, and if I get some ready prepared family healthy meals delivered often , would that help? Or is it still a one way ticket to exhaustion with no shortcuts?
      There is the possibility for 1 trick and 1 trick only... Having a someone there that can allow you to have 'ME' time. 'ME' time is priceless! My work is my 'ME' time and I goof with my 5 yr old son about 3 - 5 hours a day giving my wife her 'ME' time.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Business. See - I took the easy way to kids. I outsourced. Let my sister have them and raise them - and now am best friends with my Niece. Had to put the work in on my businesses myself.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Yep, have kids, get up at 6 am for 18 years, and spend up to $500,000! As well as being sleep deprived for a few years?

      Or set up a profitable business, make a wad, set up a secret lab, change the world, and give the socialpaths a well deserved sock in the nose?

      Tough choice! :rolleyes:


      But you can't compare a startup business with having kids!

      I tended to stay up to 3 or 3.3am after starting at about 1.00 pm. So long hours, but not getting woken up all night, and getting about 7 hours sleep!

      And certainly not having less money to play with, or having less wealth creation options!


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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    I would have to say that business is harder, with the challenges of having to make arrangements with people of different temperaments (it can be volatile at times). My 3-year-old son is a joy. Raising him is not hard at all. He didn't even need toilet training. Sure, I have to play Lego with him, woe is me. His mommy's perspective might be different, lol, considering all she went through to bring him into this world.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
    Maybe you could have kids and then they could work as mini-slaves to help set up your new business ...... not really liking where this one is going.
    Combine the two!
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      Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

      Maybe you could have kids and then they could work as mini-slaves to help set up your new business ...... not really liking where this one is going.
      Combine the two!
      Oh, you're talking about Hollywood stage parents...
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

        Maybe you could have kids and then they could work as mini-slaves to help set up your new business ...... not really liking where this one is going.
        Combine the two!
        Just as long as you don't sell them of as science experiments!


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      Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

      Maybe you could have kids and then they could work as mini-slaves to help set up your new business ...... not really liking where this one is going.
      Combine the two!
      I have found that my little one has a keen eye for color. I will be working on a page design and he will come in looks for a moment, and tells me as politely as a 5 yr old can "That sucks Daddy" or "That's boring Daddy" or on a good day "Nice work Daddy" <-- I love those moments!

      Of course any of these require a tickle session and there goes another well spent hour of the day!
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  • Profile picture of the author texico
    I agree with many of you. Having a kid is easier and more pleasant. Now once you had the kid , the way you handle the situation or suppport your kid ia another thing much more complicate.

    Starting a business is more complicate , mainly because without money in many areas around the world is impossible to make a start-up.



    Originally Posted by goldtiger View Post

    Hello to you all, how are you all going? :-) I have a question that nobody I know can answer so I thought I would ask you all here. What do you honestly think is harder- going through the years of hard work persistence stage of starting a business, or having kids? Or are they about the same hard work as each other? I just want to know out of curiosity, because I am a girl who has spent the last 13 years going through the hard work persistence stage of learning all about business and money and starting businesses (lots of temporary failures of course on the journey, but as we all know, that's part of the journey to success and can't be skipped) :-) So, now that I have a business and have been through that very hard start up phase, all the ladies with kids are very thoroughly and very often telling me "That's nothing, WAIT till you have kids THEN you will see what hard work is!

    So, I was thinking that maybe having kids and starting a business are about equal in the hardness stakes, or maybe having kids is harder, I don't know because I want to get married and have kids one day but I haven't yet. All my friends with kids say to me hahahha you think its hard starting a business "WAIT TILL YOU HAVE KIDS!!!" that's what they say exactly.

    When I ask why they say well hahahah you wont sleep well for a few years and you will have to get up every 4 hours to feed it, then you can forget about going out and having fun for a few years cause you will be exhausted and broke.

    Now here are my thoughts and again I don't know about what it's like to have kids, but here are my thoughts about starting a business:

    1) when they say you won't sleep for a few years when you have kids, well when you start a business and you don't sleep well for about 10 years anyway right? Kids dont sleep well for say 2 or 3 years and they the whole family can sleep fantastically well, but being an entrepeneur means you have to get by with not enough sleep for sometimes10 years and more

    2)when they say you have to get up every 4 hours to feed a baby, I was thinking business people and entrepeneurs are lucky to even GET 4 hours sleep at all! sometimes, especially during the start up phase of a business

    3) when the say you won't be able to go out for ages because you will be tired and broke, business people and entrepeneurs don't go out for years either when they are going trhough the hard work persistence stage of starting up a business, and they are tired and broke for often 10 plus years, whereas by age 10 kids and families are happily going out to the movies and the beach and having fun
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  • Profile picture of the author goldtiger
    Hello, and thanks heaps for all your answers, you are all so smart :-) I was thinking about what one person said, about what are you going to do if your baby is screaming at 1.00 am. I was thinking I could put on my ipod, with earphones, with classical music, while the baby screams. Is there anywhere in the rule book that says you can't do that? Like, the baby won't even know, I will still be feeding it and hugging it and changing its nappy and rocking it, but instead of hearing the screaming bits, I will have my ipod on. Would that like damage a kids self esteem or anything? Would they even know? I would still say yes yes its okay Im here and I will know its screaming because I will see the mouth open, only I won't be able to hear it. Is that a good strategy, or is that not good for a kids self esteem?
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by goldtiger View Post

      Hello, and thanks heaps for all your answers, you are all so smart :-) I was thinking about what one person said, about what are you going to do if your baby is screaming at 1.00 am. I was thinking I could put on my ipod, with earphones, with classical music, while the baby screams. Is there anywhere in the rule book that says you can't do that? Like, the baby won't even know, I will still be feeding it and hugging it and changing its nappy and rocking it, but instead of hearing the screaming bits, I will have my ipod on. Would that like damage a kids self esteem or anything? Would they even know? I would still say yes yes its okay Im here and I will know its screaming because I will see the mouth open, only I won't be able to hear it. Is that a good strategy, or is that not good for a kids self esteem?
      I went to visit some friends with screaming kids, now and then, so l suspect that most parents would become partially deaf, by the time they grew out of it? :rolleyes:

      I think that every parent needs to invest in an industrial strength extract a fan, etc. At least take the head off, the most dreaded part of parenthood?

      Preferably portable!


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  • Profile picture of the author goldtiger
    Haha yes its true, thanks heaps for that, I will put an extract a fan on my shopping list! :-D
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