Pediatrician: Vaccinate Your Kids--Or Get Out of My Office

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I always ask if the children are vaccinated, or if the parents intend to vaccinate once the child is born. If the answer is no, I politely and respectfully tell them we won't be the right fit. We don't accept patients whose parents won't vaccinate them.
When the United Kingdom looks like sub-Saharan Africa in terms of wholly preventable disease outbreaks, something has gone terribly, tragically wrong.
I often wonder why a parent who believes vaccines are harmful would want to bring their children to a medical doctor at all.
I wholeheartedly agree.

Pediatrician: Vaccinate Your Kids

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Me, too. There are plenty of doctors who do not agree with vaccinating - so if that's your take on it........why not just go to the doctor that more suits your knowledge/beliefs on the subject? Whether you believe in vaccines or not - what he says makes perfect sense. Don't know why it's been sensationalized.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Wasn't good old "Natural News" one of the sites spreading the fear of vaccines for kids? I think so.

      I agree parents who refuse to give their kids vaccines against measles, smallpox, polio, and on and on....should go to a doctor that agrees with them...if they can find a real M.D. who does. But if there's an outbreak of measles or other preventable childhood diseases that harms a child - those parents should be held responsible.

      Good article by a doctor - and his frustration with parents who decide "whether" their children will get the vaccines:

      Danger Zones of Parental Vaccine Refusal « Science-Based Medicine
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Me, too. There are plenty of doctors who do not agree with vaccinating - so if that's your take on it........why not just go to the doctor that more suits your knowledge/beliefs on the subject? Whether you believe in vaccines or not - what he says makes perfect sense. Don't know why it's been sensationalized.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        I went through all the childhood diseases Chicken Pox, measles, German measles etc.

        Came out the other side, never to return, no booster shots required, wont get them again.

        I prefer to take the smallest amount of drugs and medication I can get away with. Bad enough as it is with all this processed food around to stay healthy and have a strong immune system that can fight off these things and become stronger and resistant.

        Early man pre-fire must have been the healthiest people on the planet, eating nothing but raw vegetables, nuts and berries, spring water to drink.

        Killing and cooking animals put us on a slippery slope to a lower level of health.

        Now, where can I get a good steak around here!
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        • Profile picture of the author DJL
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

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          Early man pre-fire must have been the healthiest people on the planet, eating nothing but raw vegetables, nuts and berries, spring water to drink.
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          They also had a life expectancy of about 25 years, I believe.
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          • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
            One of the biggest money makers for pharmaceutical companies are flu shots. I've read several times in authoritative texts that there are many, many strains of the ubiquitous flu virus and each year, a vaccine is created based on the "best guess" which virus will actually dominate during the coming winter. More times than not that guess is completely wrong.

            Every year, without fail my cousin and her husband get a flu shot, and every year without fail, both of them catch the flu . . .

            My hubby and I have never had a flu shot and neither of us have had the flu for as long as I can remember. We wash our hands constantly and eat tons of fruit and veggies high in vitamin C.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              They are not safe.
              There are two arguments in this case - neither side is clearly "right". It's informed opinion - and each parent must come to his own conclusion.

              In this particular case - I have no problem with any doctor who refuses to take patients who don't follow his medical advice.

              Polio is not something you play around with. The cases of measles have tripled in the past couple of years - due to lack of vaccinations. Quite a few kids have been hospitalized as a result.

              To me, the most valid argument is the combination of vaccines into one or two shots. I won't let my vet give combined shots to my animals - and he understands my view on it.

              40 vaccines? Don't think it's quite that high...

              Infants, Children, & Teens (birth - age 18) | Vaccines.gov

              This is an argument that will be solved by science in the end - not by anecdotal evidence.

              I don't take flu shots. Twice I got the shot - both years I got a bad case of flu. On years with no shots I didn't get the flu. That's anecdotal - but it's good enough for me!:p
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          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Originally Posted by DJL View Post

            They also had a life expectancy of about 25 years, I believe.
            Don't know how you reached that conclusion unless all the skeletons that have been found from that era clearly have been identified as being around that age. Would lend some credibility. Are you able to provide stats on that? As far as I know there is scant remains of the very early human like hominids to make a judgement. Most of what we have relates to the cave dwellers much later.

            However, there would be many reasons for a shortened lifespan other than having their lives cut short by what they eat.

            Early man long before fire, weapons for protection, clothing and habitation were probably not that intelligent, wandered around naked. They would be susceptible to the elements, getting injured easily, not able to heal wounds and die of infections from them, and they would be easily preyed upon by wild animals. Hominids were fragile, we are fragile but made less so by our intelligence to shelter from the elements, wear clothing, keep ourselves warm and dry and find ways to heal our wounds to name but a few.
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              In the 1890's in the US the fledgling pharmaceutical industry approached all the medical training institutions and offered them a lot of money if they would adopt teaching students about their drugs and the way of treating people with their usage, the colleges and institutions agreed with dollar signs in their eyes. This state of affairs has remained to this day. Most drugs of this nature are to mask pain (thus dependancy) to allow people to get on with their lives. Scant few actually cure anything.

              The exceptions are mainly antibiotics. Invasive surgery also saves lives big time but not what I am talking about here.

              Because of this most people go along with it all and see their doctors as gods.

              100,000 US citizens die each year due to the side effects of these drugs. Hence the almost laughable disclaimers on all the tv ads for them.

              When the odd person pops up and says that just eating healthy quality food, taking exercise taking some natural supplements can be instrumental in preventing a lot of the ailments that the pharm drugs claim to treat ever developing, a lot of people just poo poo the idea. they would rather carry on eating unhealthy food, living an unhealthy lifestyle and prop themselves up with excessive pain medication when the ailments catch up with them.

              Tis the nature of the animal that we now continue to endorse.

              We are so busy eking out a modern living and trying to maintain whatever lifestyle we aspire too we don't have time for all this natural nonsense anymore. quick fix to maintain fast pace. Hence, it remains the status quo.

              We have made huge strides in many areas and sanitation and deeming it unacceptable that people should starve, this helped people live longer. However, In the last 120 years or so we seem to have taken a fork in the road that leads to a dead end. There are other ways of treating people and keeping yourself healthy. They seemed to have been stifled and silenced though by the mighty rich powers that be.

              Stop the madness as Mr Wonderful says.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      why not just go to the doctor that more suits your knowledge/beliefs on the subject

      We did that for the doctors who were going to deliver our babies (I forget what they are called at the moment). We asked them if they thought the embryo's were human. If they said no, we were going to run out of the office. It turned out the doctors we asked were extremely offended by the question and angrily said yes, they are human. One of those doctors did a great job during a life and death situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I had one - polio.

    Kay - you can find a lot of "real" MD's who don't agree with over-vaccination. They are not safe.
    What a person has to judge is what is the risk of actually being hurt from what they will be vaccinated against. They're taking that one for cervical cancer off the market because it's maiming and killing more girls than would have ever gotten the disease to start with, and of those only a percentage would have died.

    It's also kind of fun when people fling tinfoil jokes at you when you say that vaccines can cause autism. If you look on the box the vaccines come in -- it's actually in the warning right there. Here in the states you can't sue the medical industry if your kid becomes autistic because they are shoving so many toxic metals into them via vaccines -- but you can in other countries and people do. We're told there's no connection. That's pretty wild propaganda when you can read right on the box that autism is one of the risks.

    When you and I were kids they had what, about 4 vaccines period. It astounds me the number of vaccines they give now - and how young the babies are when they inject all those metals into them. They have around 40 vaccines they are shooting into kids now. Are people actually that afraid that their kid is going to sniffle or go to bed for a day or two that they will shoot them with that much mercury and thermasol...and the rest.

    They are just finding now that all those brain trauma effects they were calling "shaken baby syndrome" isn't from shaking the baby -- it's from too many vaccines all at once. That's not to say some kids aren't abused -- it's just that the brain swelling isn't from shaking - it's from toxic metals swelling the tissues.

    Just how much mercury, alluminum, and thermasol would you think it would take to do damage to a small kid? At the rate of autism these days, I would say they cross that line fairly frequently these days. I would think that someone would do better with an immune system (which vaccines kill) so they can fight off most illnesses rather than be immunized to a very few illnesses at a very high risk. Responsibility works two ways. Shouldn't a parent also be held responsible for allowing them to (at a profit) stick the kid with enough heavy metals to completely destroy them?
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      They have around 40 vaccines they are shooting into kids now.
      what? That is far too many.

      They don't have that many in Canada - that is over the top - or at least I am not aware of it

      my son had his Measles, Mumps, Rubella, (there were a series as a baby) maybe 3 vaccines in the first year - that was 21 years ago - and then when he started school he had another MMR series, and the Polio, and TB ones
      and then as a teenager he had one for Meningitis -

      medicine is all for profit now - and vaccines make big profits - I have little faith in main-stream medicine now - there are few doctors I trust. All they want to do is send you home with a prescription for something - no thanks
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    We get some for our kids, but we try to slow it down so they aren't overwhelmed by getting a ton of crap pumped into their blood at once.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    David - I don't think that even people who agree with abortion would think that a baby that could live just fine if delivered isn't a human. Of course - people do have shocking ideas.

    I spent my childhood at doctors that kept me so freaking ill with their drugs........experimental drugs... but they told my parents "new" so they never knew I was a guinea pig. There weren't natureopaths when I grew up that I know of. They still weren't on the drug cocktail bandwagon, but they didn't mind their experimentals one damned bit.

    It was when I went to Germany and had a massive asthma attack and ended up in a German doctors office that I started learning the truth about the American medical industrial complex.

    The American longevity argument is a ruse. Americans have had longevity - and health - because of sanitation, because of trade and an abundance of natural food. Well that is changing now. The ones who survive might be living longer........but many don't survive. Right now infant mortality rates are higher in some areas of the states than in some 3rd world countries. People are not healthy - at least half are on a coctail of pharmaceuticals and feel sick, are obese, have coronary problems, are completely mentally, and often physically, incapacitated in their old age.

    Processed foods are not real food any more. Drugs are given for anything and everything and if they need a new drug, they just make up a new disease. Look at all the psychotropic drugs -- there is no medical proof of a need for them and high level psychiatrists are now coming out with the fact that they were introduced to pull psychiatry up to the level of medical. Schools actually receive subsidies for each child they drug. Many of those drugs CAUSE the exact effects that they are said to be given for. The whole system is a sham, yet people are completely programmed to accept the word of "authority". We lose millions to cancer each year - while there are actual books that completely outline the course through which real cures are suppressed - with references that you can check for authenticity.

    Fortunately, at least for now, there are a lot of different choices in Doctors and methods that people can use to avoid the drug crazed profit machine. It's hard to find a good practitioner, though. Even some natureopaths are nothing more than vitamin cocktail despensers, and those cocktails contain levels of vitamins that have never been proven to be benenficial, and may possibly do long-term damage.

    It's a sad state of affairs when health depends on knowing what's in your water, avoiding most food on the market, and having to stay as far from the medical community as possible.
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    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


    This is an argument that will be solved by science in the end - not by anecdotal evidence.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    This is a little hard to read because the website isn't working right but if you can just copy and paste it on wordpad if you can't get the site to cooperate, it's well worth the read. CDC Admits 98 Million Americans Received Polio Vaccine In An 8-Year Span When It Was Contaminated With Cancer Virus | RAW FOR BEAUTY
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    lanfear -- Our college courses for our doctors are created and monitored by big pharma. Doctors are not taught to heal people, just to keep things chronic to keep the money coming in. Most nurses in the US know more about nutrition than the average MD. Unfortunately, they are being taught corporate marketing instead of science - that aspartame is harmless, that GMOs are just fine and dandy, etc. Some see through the veil and some don't. Unfortunately - when doctors see beyond it, they often leave the country so they can practice medicine that will actually heal someone, as their conscience dictates. The brainwashing in Med school is atrocious. I think of how many lives were lost because they were taught to teach people to stay out of the sun. The resulting epidemic of Vit D3 deficiency has been a public disaster.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Man: Doc I'm not feeling too good.
      Doc: What do you eat?
      Man: Mc Burger, every day!
      Doc: Ah that would explain why your Cholesterol is sky high!
      Man: Anything you can prescribe me for it.
      Doc: Well there is the xyz drug, that will bring it down, so the rep told me. a few side effects though!
      Man: Can I continue to eat Mc Burger every day?
      Doc: Well I would not recommend it but the drug will regulate the Cholesterol so I suppose you could as long as you don't mind bigger breasts, a higher pitched voice and an increased risk of congenital heart failure!
      Man: I will take six months supply please! Dada Da Da Daaa, I'm loving it!

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
      That is an absolutely horrifying mistake. But still not an argument
      against vaccines.

      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      Early man long before fire, weapons for protection, clothing and habitation were probably not that intelligent, wandered around naked.
      Don't forget the lack of dentists-- tooth infections were a major
      cause of death as well. But all of this is still not an argument against
      vaccines.


      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      Because of this most people go along with it all and see their doctors as gods.
      Or more accurately, they are seen as experts who went to
      medical school for 8+ years, and probably have years of
      actual experience on top of that.


      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Unfortunately - when doctors see beyond it, they often leave the country so they can practice medicine that will actually heal someone, as their conscience dictates.
      You'll never find me defending big pharma. I have my own very
      special reasons for hating them. And I would love to see the
      separation of business and medical science/treatment.

      But I know many of those doctors who have worked in other countries,
      and they are appalled by the lack of vaccines.

      Personally I'm worried about the high number of vaccines that are
      given to children at a young age, for all of the reasons you have listed
      and more. But I tend to defer to the opinion of people who have
      actually spent years studying the science and working in the field.

      There seems to be this accusation that "the truth is being silenced".
      I don't buy it. When it comes to children, the people who really
      care are going to be very, very loud, and no amount of money is
      going to shut them up.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

        That is an absolutely horrifying mistake. But still not an argument
        against vaccines.



        Don't forget the lack of dentists-- tooth infections were a major
        cause of death as well. But all of this is still not an argument against
        vaccines.




        Or more accurately, they are seen as experts who went to
        medical school for 8+ years, and probably have years of
        actual experience on top of that.




        You'll never find me defending big pharma. I have my own very
        special reasons for hating them. And I would love to see the
        separation of business and medical science/treatment.

        But I know many of those doctors who have worked in other countries,
        and they are appalled by the lack of vaccines.

        Personally I'm worried about the high number of vaccines that are
        given to children at a young age, for all of the reasons you have listed
        and more. But I tend to defer to the opinion of people who have
        actually spent years studying the science and working in the field.

        There seems to be this accusation that "the truth is being silenced".
        I don't buy it. When it comes to children, the people who really
        care are going to be very, very loud, and no amount of money is
        going to shut them up.
        Ok, another way. first hand experience. Why not just strengthen the body's resistance to getting anything or to fight off anything they have. My wife is a consultant for a famous alt therapy product company from Japan. She mostly uses the products on herself these days and has given up promoting them to others as a business venture.

        They have a range of supplements and also advocate various magnetic products like magnetic mattresses, insoles for shoes and other stuff, also water filters that enrich the water with minerals using mineral rich rocks. Magnetic's, quackary you say, well I thought so. But first hand experience observing something made me think twice, perhaps opened my mind a bit.

        To cut a long story short her first customer was an old work collegue. A lady of 62 who had spent the last 2 years virtually bed-ridden, weak and unable to move. She had gone to a hospital a few years back for continuing treatment for diabetic neuropathy which was affecting her legs. At some point she received penicillin which she had an adverse reaction too.

        It shut her kidneys down. Dialysis 3 times a week for 4 hours to keep herself alive was required. Doctors collective prognosis. That for the rest of your life and a heap of pharm tablets to take each day. Her husband got her out of bed for half an hour each day and put her in the wheelchair. She was weak, could do little for herself. Essentially she was dead to the world. Conventional medicine had no answer.

        So when the wife called her out of the blue after several years she told her of her health woes and described her condition. The wife told them about the companies various products and nothing to lose, she got the magnetics, mattress, wearables , the water, air cleaners, specific supplements based on her condition, adopted a lifestyle in which she would use the products. No changes to food eating habits were made.

        Six months later her husband and her took a 3 hour drive down to see us, ever seen a grown man cry, shes getting her life back, I'm getting my wife back.

        She is now up most of the day, can walk unaided, still does dialysis but much less time as her kidneys have started working to a degree. Sings in the church choir again. The pharm drugs are all gone except for half a tablet. As close to a normal lifestyle as you could imagine.

        Sure she has to keep taking the supplements and using the products so its a dependency in that respect. But, no side effects and what was the alternative, nothing conventional.

        I try to be objective about stuff like this, especially magnetics, but having tried some of these products myself I conclude that their is an effect of a positive nature!

        There are other ways!
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          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          I try to be objective about stuff like this, especially magnetics, but having tried some of these products myself I conclude that their is an effect of a positive nature!
          Could simply be psychological.

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          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

            Could simply be psychological.

            -g
            Yes, I am expecting a backlash about things being psychological, this was a one off anecdote, ever heard of the placebo effect, what about double blind testing done on groups of people and finding the drug being tested has a beneficial effect as opposed to the placebo. Etc, etc.

            The trouble with that is for example, you take ten thousand people who have constant headaches and give half a specific drug and the other half a sugar pill, sure your going to get results with the drug because it probably blocks the pain receptors for a while and makes them feel better. It does not cure anything though, just helps them get by. (thats how drugs get accepted, ahh, the headaches are gone, its beneficial, passed! Law suits later) Then they take more when the effects wear off. May have side effects though. The lady who took the supplements had none, the FDA don't even bother with them as their was nothing deemed dangerous. Still a dependency for her but a more desirable one with no risk of other ailments appearing due to them.

            The jury's still out on the magnetics with me though. Send some people to Mars which has no magnetic field, for a couple of years and study them. I'd really like to know if living on the Earth and being bathed in a magnetic field is actually a requirement for life and health for humans and animals.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    What bothers me most about the vaccination debate is that so many people place so much blind faith in 'science' and don't give enough credence to anecdotal evidence. I saw firsthand the severe reaction to the MMR vaccine that my oldest boy had when it was given to him.

    Science is all about what we know, or think we know, now. How many times in the last hundred years has accepted scientific fact been proven to be wrong?

    Who can know what other effects the genetically altered viruses in the vaccine will have? They trick the body into an immune response, but what else might they do? No one really knows.

    Virologists and geneticists are messing with things they only know a little about. Yes, they're learning more all the time, but they are far from knowing it all. They have no clue about the long-term effects of what they do.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
      Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

      What bothers me most about the vaccination debate is that so many people place so much blind faith in 'science' and don't give enough credence to anecdotal evidence.
      I know what you are saying here, and actually we agree
      completely on that point. However, there is a distinct
      difference between using science as a tool, and worshiping
      it as an idol.

      For me personally, it is far less "blind faith in science"
      and more confidence in the Scientific Method... which
      at this point, only science uses.

      My problem with "anecdotal evidence" is that it is an oxymoron;
      It isn't "evidence" at all, not until it is taken and studied in
      a scientific manner. Whether it is treated as an outlier or
      tracked, I absolutely do agree that cases such as the one you
      described should not be ignored and discredited without
      investigation, as they are so often right now.

      Ultimately however, the systematic results of science are
      far superior to the "hope and placebo" method.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
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        Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

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        there is a distinct difference between using science as a tool, and worshiping it as an idol.

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

      What bothers me most about the vaccination debate is that so many people place so much blind faith in 'science' and don't give enough credence to anecdotal evidence. I saw firsthand the severe reaction to the MMR vaccine that my oldest boy had when it was given to him.

      Science is all about what we know, or think we know, now. How many times in the last hundred years has accepted scientific fact been proven to be wrong?

      Who can know what other effects the genetically altered viruses in the vaccine will have? They trick the body into an immune response, but what else might they do? No one really knows.

      Virologists and geneticists are messing with things they only know a little about. Yes, they're learning more all the time, but they are far from knowing it all. They have no clue about the long-term effects of what they do.
      There's a hell of a lot that is passed on to us as science that is nothing but corruption for profit and has nothing real about it. This strikes in every field, too, not just medicine. People think the FDA is supposed to test things. What they do now is just have the company submit their own research, and if it's *******ized, too bad, when people start getting adverse reactions and dying, then they look into it. It's take the money for the approval and there it is. I've read research from some pretty high-test medical professionals that say that the polio "epidemic" wasn't an epidemic until the vaccine came out. Was it true? Who knows. It was well credentialed. That's all I have to go by. When it comes to a drug - we just have to do the best research we can and make the best choices we can. I choose not to be vaccinated. I was for polio. I wasn't for the other childhood diseases, and I got sick, but it made my immune system stronger in the long run so the few days in bed, to me, were better than the vaccine.

      As far as magnets -- seems to me they would be valid. When you walk barefoot on earth it correctly grounds your electromagnetism and you can actually feel it when you get out of the city where there's a lot of towers and electric lines. Of course, in the US we have extremely polluted electricity, too. Nobody tells ya about that one. Anyhow, it seems like a magnet might realign the electromagnetic field that all of our modern conveniences throw out of whack.

      When I look at illnesses, I think about the fact that there isn't one organism on this planet that has no natural poisons that will kill it. I also look at the heavy metals in much of what we eat/breath/inject - and I know those are poisonous to us. Seems to me that the best thing we do for ourselves is to stay away from everything and anything we can stay away from that has a toxic effect on our system, and take a lot of naturals that are poisonous to the crap that's out there waiting to find a weak system to let it in. I believe it's really pretty muchly that simple.
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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    Look, as a person who is totally onboard with vaccination, and gets every vaccine known to man, I have to ask the question.

    Let's say I have child that is allergic to eggs and cannot get vaccinated because of this. Can you guarantee me with 100% certainty that your child getting vaccinated will protect my child? Or are you just guaranteeing your child will be safe?

    Every once in awhile, it's nice to just step away from the crack pipe of popular opinion, and think.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

      Look, as a person who is totally onboard with vaccination, and gets every vaccine known to man, I have to ask the question.

      Let's say I have child that is allergic to eggs and cannot get vaccinated because of this. Can you guarantee me with 100% certainty that your child getting vaccinated will protect my child? Or are you just guaranteeing your child will be safe?

      Every once in awhile, it's nice to just step away from the crack pipe of popular opinion, and think.
      I was allergic to egg as a child and still can't have raw egg. I can answer this. NO. Vaccination also does not stop a person from carrying a disease. Some don't even stop a person from catching a disease. What stops people from catching diseases is a kick-butt immune system, but much of our food supply and our medicines kill our immune systems. Example: do you eat inorganic meat? You don't have much of an immune system - the residual antibiotics in the meat will tank it. It's hard to catch ANYTHING no matter who or how many are carrying it when your immune system is working correctly. Um.....that's what it's for.
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      • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        I was allergic to egg as a child and still can't have raw egg. I can answer this. NO. Vaccination also does not stop a person from carrying a disease. Some don't even stop a person from catching a disease. What stops people from catching diseases is a kick-butt immune system, but much of our food supply and our medicines kill our immune systems. Example: do you eat inorganic meat? You don't have much of an immune system - the residual antibiotics in the meat will tank it. It's hard to catch ANYTHING no matter who or how many are carrying it when your immune system is working correctly. Um.....that's what it's for.
        Sal:

        We have scientific evidence to the contrary dating back to 1796 when it was discovered cow pox protects against smallpox.

        If you wish to deny that, feel free to....my point is people are going way overboard with this stuff like the doctor in the OP.

        We need some balance and realize if the person down the street doesn't vaccinate their kids, it's not going to put all of western civilization at risk. Even if there is an outbreak, if you're vaccinated, the evidence says you will be OK, so why the hysteria?
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    Anecdotal evidence points that brain surgery can be made without basic sanitation

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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      Anecdotal evidence points that brain surgery can be made without basic sanitation

      African witch doctor who made a brain surgery without anesthesia! AMAZING IMAGES - YouTube
      The realization and introduction of sanitation has gone a long way to vastly increasing the survival and success rates in operations, food preparation, cleanliness of environment and general living. The list goes on and is indisputable. It's only when the ingredients of the products used to sanitize, clean and sometimes be ingested are found to be harmful that it falls down.

      Putting fluoride into water and toothpaste has been heavily criticized for being used.

      Artificial sweetener called Aspartame is also heavily criticized

      Just a few examples.
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