What the hell happened to Flight MH370?

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Almost 240 people are missing after a Malaysian Airlines flight en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing vanished from radar screens in the early hours of Saturday.
No trace, no answers. How can a flight just disappear out of the sky? More terrorism activity. Something else? Boeing 777's have very good safety records too.

Malaysia Airlines plane vanishes from radar screens | World news | theguardian.com
  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    To add to the mystery, there are two persons on board with stolen passports. There were also sign that the plane has turned back towards Malaysia when it went down. I hope it is not terrorism. There was a large terrorist attack in China just a week ago. It would be really horrible if they have chosen the airline of another country. If it is a catastrophic structural failure, then it is just as bad because the 777 has an excellent reputation for safety. I hope they find out the cause soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      To add to the mystery, there are two persons on board with stolen passports.
      A fake Italian and Austrian.
      Only possible clues to the missing aircraft, oil slicks, 6 to 9 miles long.
      There were no distress signals before the flight disappeared off the radar. Very strange! Must be hard for families waiting for news.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Doesn't sound like terrorism. A terrorist isn't going to blow up a plane that can't be found - they want people to see their ruthlessness. It doesn't work for them if they just blow it apart with no clues of what happened.

    I haven't seen an article yet that tells much about where it was when it disappeared. If it went off radar, they know where it was when it did that.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
    Not terrorism? Yet two stolen passports point to a very disturbing mystery surely! A commercial airline disappearing under any circumstances will hold the world's attention I think. The confusion and public fear generated by this incident may have been the intention here? I have a bad feeling about this one.
    Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: search continues as stolen passports raise terrorism fears

    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

    I haven't seen an article yet that tells much about where it was when it disappeared. If it went off radar, they know where it was when it did that.
    The plane vanished somewhere off Vietnam's Tho Chu Island, northwest off the country's southernmost Cape Ca Mau. The airline lost contact with the aircraft after it departed Kuala Lumpur.
    Quoted source above
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

      Not terrorism? Yet two stolen passports point to a very disturbing mystery surely!
      The world is absoltely rife with stolen passports.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        The world is absoltely rife with stolen passports.
        Then the world seems to be rife with airport staff who don't sufficiently check for false documents then.

        Just read:
        Police are probing a mystery Iranian called "Mr Ali" who bought the tickets for passengers who used stolen passports on the missing Malaysia Airlines plane.
        Perhaps that will point to a strong clue to the disappearance?

        Source: Missing Malaysia Airlines flight: Unknown Chinese group claims responsibility for the disappearance - Mirror Online
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  • Profile picture of the author taskemann
    I think the plane crashed on a mysterious island which isn't marked on any map in middle of nowhere in the Pacific. Only a few people know this island exist, and they'll do anything to keep the island secret. They were most likely brought to the island on purpose.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by taskemann View Post

      I think the plane crashed on a mysterious island which isn't marked on any map in middle of nowhere in the Pacific. Only a few people know this island exist, and they'll do anything to keep the island secret. They were most likely brought to the island on purpose.
      The same thing happened in the 1950's. Only it was a boat. Let's see...there was the captain, his first mate, a millionaire...and his wife, a professor, a movie star, and a girl named Mary Ann (I think).

      I'm being totally serious.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I am soooo tempted to put that in my signature.
        Hmmmm, taking advantage of me, when l am in my zombie zone!


        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        The same thing happened in the 1950's. Only it was a boat. Let's see...there was the captain, his first mate, a millionaire...and his wife, a professor, a movie star, and a girl named Mary Ann (I think).

        I'm being totally serious.
        On a 3 day tour if l remember correctly? :rolleyes:


        Then they end up on an island with a film crew, wear the same clothing for a good 10 or more years, without any wear or tear, with a professor that can build a nuclear power station as long as the coconuts hold out! :rolleyes:


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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          The same thing happened in the 1950's. Only it was a boat. Let's see...there was the captain, his first mate, a millionaire...and his wife, a professor, a movie star, and a girl named Mary Ann (I think).

          I'm being totally serious.
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Hmmmm, taking advantage of me, when l am in my zombie zone!




          On a 3 day tour if l remember correctly? :rolleyes:


          Then they end up on an island with a film crew, wear the same clothing for a good 10 or more years, without any wear or tear, with a professor that can build a nuclear power station as long as the coconuts hold out! :rolleyes:


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          Geez guys...It was the 60s and it was a 3 hour tour. I feel like I'm in an old episode of the The Twilight Limits.
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          • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Geez guys...It was the 60s and it was a 3 hour tour. I feel like I'm in an old episode of the The Twilight Limits.
            ummm... errr. The Twilight Zone or The Outer Limits

            (Mom told me ... No, it was a high school History of TV course.
            I really don't actually remember. Honest. And my girlfriend is
            Morgan Fairchild, I mean Taylor Swift.)
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

              ummm... errr. The Twilight Zone or The Outer Limits
              In an attempted joke about mistakes about old TV shows, the show is The Twilight Limits. Do not attempt to adjust your Rod Serling.
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                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                In an attempted joke about mistakes about old TV shows, the show is The Twilight Limits. Do not attempt to adjust your Rod Serling.
                Sorry, Rod.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    David - I didn't say I ruled out espionage. I just don't think it was "terrorism".
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    • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      David - I didn't say I ruled out espionage. I just don't think it was "terrorism".
      Espionage, hijacking etc, etc. With the stolen passports taken in to consideration and no distress call sent by the flight's crew, I'm thinking some type of foul play has probably occurred. I think the media has every right to suggest that a criminal action may have taken place here going on the evidence.

      Worried family members are no doubt desperate for answers and explanations, hard not to feel true pity for them. As for the whole alien conspiracies 'stuff' mentioned above. I'm not basing my quotes from official articles from the 'National Enquirer' here. Thus far, no terrorist organisation has claimed responsibility, which tends to lessen the likelihood of this scenario being part of the mystery. Although:
      In addition to the plane's sudden disappearance, which experts say is consistent with a possible onboard explosion, the stolen passports have strengthened concerns about terrorism as a possible cause. Al-Qaida militants have used similar tactics to try and disguise their identities.
      http://ipad.aol.com/article/2014/03/...Lid%253D452055

      So what did happen to the plane?

      Mystery Five -- What Could Cause a Plane to Fall Out of the Sky at 35,000 Feet?

      Aviation experts seem to agree that it was either a catastrophic event that tore the airplane apart, or it was a deliberate criminal act.

      The known causes of such a scenario are:

      -- A catastrophic structural failure of the airframe.
      -- Bad weather.
      -- Pilot disorientation.
      -- A bomb.
      -- Hijacking.
      -- Pilot suicide.
      -- Accidental shoot-down by some country's military.

      Apparently this type of sudden catastrophe is very, very rare. Fewer than nine percent of all such event impact aircraft, at their cruising altitude. Complete vanishing is rarer, still.
      Source: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...-of-searching#
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    This kind of thing USED to happen frequently enough that they added scanners, and told pilots to just obey. THAT is why 9/11 went so smoothly.

    With the evidence we have now, to ME, it sounds like a regular hijacking. Two, or more, people that were being watched, or were illegals(so they didn't have passports), needed to go quickly to some country and didn't have the money, or it wasn't allowed, so they simply acted like other people until the right time and told the pilots WE'RE going HERE!

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      It went down into the water. If it didn't explode there might not be a large debris field to find. If it didn't break up there might not be much luggage and stuff floating to the surface.

      Some really stupid news comments about this as media tries to ride the wave of drama minute by minute. Yesterday an oil slick was spotted and the news person said "this is the first evidence we have that something happened to the plane".

      Really? It disappeared on radar - it didn't arrive at the destination....I think that would be evidence something was wrong.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        It went down into the water. If it didn't explode there might not be a large debris field to find. If it didn't break up there might not be much luggage and stuff floating to the surface.

        Some really stupid news comments about this as media tries to ride the wave of drama minute by minute. Yesterday an oil slick was spotted and the news person said "this is the first evidence we have that something happened to the plane".

        Really? It disappeared on radar - it didn't arrive at the destination....I think that would be evidence something was wrong.
        Kay; No. There is no reason to stick to the facts.

        Depending on the medication someone takes, one of the following happened;
        Aliens took the plane and passengers to their home world.
        A worm hole opened up, and the jet will appear again 500 years into the past.
        The government (why think small? every government) staged the disappearance to start a war.
        The jet was never lost. It started out as a hologram.
        The jet was flown by remote control, and flown into the sea..trying to kill a school of intelligent dolphins.
        The passengers are really from another dimension, and just went home, and after they left, the empty jet went down.

        Let the madness begin.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Kay; No. There is no reason to stick to the facts.

          Depending on the medication someone takes, one of the following happened;
          Aliens took the plane and passengers to their home world.
          A worm hole opened up, and the jet will appear again 500 years into the past.
          The government (why think small? every government) staged the disappearance to start a war.
          The jet was never lost. It started out as a hologram.
          The jet was flown by remote control, and flown into the sea..trying to kill a school of intelligent dolphins.
          The passengers are really from another dimension, and just went home, and after they left, the empty jet went down.

          Let the madness begin.
          Oh, crap. I'm on the wrong drugs. I didn't think of any of that stuff. What exactly is it you are taking? I might like to try some of it next weekend.
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          • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            Oh, crap. I'm on the wrong drugs. I didn't think of any of that stuff. What exactly is it you are taking? I might like to try some of it next weekend.
            Be very, very careful taking anything that Claude is on.

            One of the side effects is that you end up getting involved with Dan Riffle.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Kay; No. There is no reason to stick to the facts.

          Depending on the medication someone takes, one of the following happened;
          Aliens took the plane and passengers to their home world.
          A worm hole opened up, and the jet will appear again 500 years into the past.
          The government (why think small? every government) staged the disappearance to start a war.
          The jet was never lost. It started out as a hologram.
          The jet was flown by remote control, and flown into the sea..trying to kill a school of intelligent dolphins.
          The passengers are really from another dimension, and just went home, and after they left, the empty jet went down.

          Let the madness begin.
          Or, they could just be ... LOST
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    It was swallowed by a large cigar shaped object - the evil aliens' latest weapon.
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    Seriously, strange story, here is the latest I know of:

    Official: Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet May Have Turned Back | TheBlaze.com
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  • Profile picture of the author seoace
    I suspect the reason behind it suddenly vanishing from radars is because of 1 word: wormholes. Here's a 1 min video explaining about it: Faster than light travel: Using wormholes - YouTube
    Hopefully, its not.
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      Originally Posted by seoace View Post

      I suspect the reason behind it suddenly vanishing from radars is because of 1 word: wormholes. Here's a 1 min video explaining about it: Faster than light travel: Using wormholes - YouTube
      Hopefully, its not.
      For all we know, they DIDN'T vanish from radar, and it was simply REPORTED because the TRANSPONDERS failed. If ***I*** hijacked a plane, one of the first things I would want to do is get the transponder turned off or changed. THAT way, when the plane changed course, tracking it, and where it SHOULD go, would be frustrated. But it would STILL show up on radar, because THAT is all GROUND based.

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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        If ***I*** hijacked a plane, one of the first things I would want to do is get the transponder turned off or changed. Steve
        Oh go on, just say it Steve! Al Qaida aren't Lord Voldemort you know.
        Or are the ***'s masking something else there?

        I think it is f****** stupid when people can't b***** well say what is really on their mind!

        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        For all we know, they DIDN'T vanish from radar, and it was simply REPORTED because the TRANSPONDERS failed. Steve
        So you are saying that there may have been absolutely no way they could have sent a distress signal then?
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

          Oh go on, just say it Steve! Al Qaida aren't Lord Voldemort you know.
          Or are the ***'s masking something else there?

          I think it is f****** stupid when people can't b***** well say what is really on their mind!



          So you are saying that there may have been absolutely no way they could have sent a distress signal then?
          The ***I*** was to REALLY emphasize that I would be doing it. NO, this wouldn't be alquada(sp?). It doesn't fit their MO.

          If what I stated happened, they would be FORBIDDEN to send a distress(Because of old FAA rules*, and the hijackers) and, if they tried, they could have been killed(by the hijackers). * They may have changed FAA rules since, but if the hijackers are in the cockpit, what can you do?

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          • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            The ***I*** was to REALLY emphasize that I would be doing it. NO, this wouldn't be alquada(sp?). It doesn't fit their MO.

            If what I stated happened, they would be FORBIDDEN to send a distress(Because of old FAA rules*, and the hijackers) and, if they tried, they could have been killed(by the hijackers). * They may have changed FAA rules since, but if the hijackers are in the cockpit, what can you do?

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            I should count my *'s next time. Thanks for the correction.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I didn't know the passports were stolen SO long ago. I wonder if they use the special lamination many US states use now, and how that is applied exactly. If it digs into the picture, a person may have trouble replacing the picture without replacing it, and if it isn't just so, the TSA agent COULD notice it, assuming they do their job. I don't think they do ANY electronic checks, at least in the US, so I could see if not being caught otherwise. Still, even if they WERE checked electronically, you KNOW that can be forged.

    You would HOPE that a person would be questioning people like that not appearing to be in the ethnic group, but I guess THAT is "profiling", huh?

    BTW I think a LOT of TSA people SKIP checking the actual picture! They ARE supposed to check NAMES though.

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  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
    The ongoing mystery of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 is the fault of a bizarre quirk in our networked society. Even cars have broadband connectivity now, but the modern jet airliner – perhaps our most technologically evolved mode of transport – still exists in the age of radio.

    Your iPhone is more powerful than the evidence-collecting computers in the cockpit. Simple changes could mean faster answers for plane crashes.
    Gobsmacked!

    Source: Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 makes it clear: we need to rethink black boxes | Stephen Trimble | Comment is free | theguardian.com
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      Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

      They passed through a rip in the space/time continuum:

      The Langoliers full movie - YouTube
      Or, they crash landed in to the ocean after two hijackers threatened the crew that they had a bomb on board. With the new concealed explosive devices this is very possible.

      The aircraft seemed to change direction, maybe forced to fly to an alternate destination. After some type of altercation or disagreement an explosives device was detonated. Debris from the aircraft is now being found it seems.

      The prize for best explanation goes to .... (drumroll) .... Me!
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      Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

      They passed through a rip in the space/time continuum:

      The Langoliers full movie - YouTube
      Th only way this movie made "sense" is if they went BACK in time. They went back in time so much that the event triggered by an action outside of the plane went so slowly that it appeared to not happen.

      In the end, they appear at the airport early and because of that nobody was there, and people instantly appeared when the current time caught up with theirs. Meanwhile, the people THERE didn't see them until the time caught up.

      There is actually some "scientific theory" for this, but i don't know the name, where what we perceive is rebuilt as old stuff is destroyed. I guess it is a kin to the parallel universe theory that basically has each branch in an action becoming the start of a new universe. In a twilight zone episode, they had the deconstructors as humanoids in blue. HERE, they have them as the langoliers!

      Anyway, my point is that, if that is actually what happened, they were NEVER lost as far as everyone ELSE was concerned!

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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    It's now official - it was the work of "jihadists", according to the man who knows everything that is going on in the world*:

    https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/st...80012630945792















    * by hacking into their phones.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
      [QUOTE=whateverpedia;9017632]It's now official - it was the work of "jihadists", according to the man who knows everything that is going on in the world*:

      https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/st...80012630945792[/QUOTES]

      Well Rupert is God. It's case closed all 'round! This guy would have some pretty impressive sources one would think. Watch this space.
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      It's now official - it was the work of "jihadists", according to the man who knows everything that is going on in the world*:

      https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/st...80012630945792

      * by hacking into their phones.
      I like this immediate response to this tweet.

      "Nothing is confirmed yet, you meddling old bast****."

      Seriously though, considering that there are more than 200 persons dead, I don't think this is an appropriate subject to make jokes about.

      The two persons on the plane with stolen passports should not be there. Although it may be a case of trying to get into Europe illegally, those cases rarely involve more than one person on a given flight. How those two persons with "Asiatic features" got through Malaysian customs is going to be of great concern. It is reported that bio-metric data in terms of finger prints are required of visitors to Malaysia. If this proves to be hijacking, this is going to affect air travel all over the world.
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        Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

        I like this immediate response to this tweet.

        "Nothing is confirmed yet, you meddling old bast****."

        Seriously though, considering that there are more than 200 persons dead, I don't think this is an appropriate subject to make jokes about.

        The two persons on the plane with stolen passports should not be there. Although it may be a case of trying to get into Europe illegally, those cases rarely involve more than one person on a given flight. How those two persons with "Asiatic features" got through Malaysian customs is going to be of great concern. It is reported that bio-metric data in terms of finger prints are required of visitors to Malaysia. If this proves to be hijacking, this is going to affect air travel all over the world.
        Well it can't change the US much - the only thing they aren't doing yet here is cavity searches.
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Well it can't change the US much - the only thing they aren't doing yet here is cavity searches.
          They don't do cavity searches in the US? I'd have thought ones 'cavity' would be the first place to check in a suspected drug mule in an airport. :confused:

          One thing I do know, the fact the planes simply vanished is generating far more discussion and press time than had it simply been blown up.
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        Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

        The two persons on the plane with stolen passports should not be there. Although it may be a case of trying to get into Europe illegally, those cases rarely involve more than one person on a given flight. How those two persons with "Asiatic features" got through Malaysian customs is going to be of great concern. It is reported that bio-metric data in terms of finger prints are required of visitors to Malaysia. If this proves to be hijacking, this is going to affect air travel all over the world.
        This just popped up on Twitter:

        Peter Hinton ‏@peterjhinton
        Is anyone else concerned every terrorist on the planet now knows that most airports don't check the Interpol database #MH370
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  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
    Latest news report I see: Suspected aircraft debris turns out to be a false alarm. Surely we don't have another 'Bermuda Triangle' type of mystery on our hands?

    And get this:
    Family members of passengers on missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 said they have been able to ring mobile phones, and are begging officials to track the signals before the batteries run out.

    One Chinese family said they had been able to successfully call the mobile phone of a passenger on the flight, Singapore's The Sunday Times reported.

    On a Beijing Television news bulletin, a man is shown dialing his older brother, with the call connecting but nobody picking up.

    The man, who spoked to reporters at a Malaysia Airlines briefing in Beijing, said he had been able to make three calls to the phone, but no one had picked up.
    The FBI have now joined the investigation too. Good ol' American know-how may help to get to the bottom of this mystery yet!

    Family phoned passengers on missing Malaysia Airlines flight - Yahoo!7
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    No-one knows yet...everything is typical internet speculation.
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      Originally Posted by popstocks View Post

      No-one knows yet...everything is typical internet speculation.
      You're right but this is an off topic discussion forum where we discuss things. The sheer fact that no one has any idea where the plane is and I think it's fairly obvious that 'no one knows yet' what happened to it.
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      Originally Posted by popstocks View Post

      No-one knows yet...everything is typical internet speculation.
      what? people make chit up on the interwebs? NO....surely not! :p
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    show respect and stop making up theories!

    You're right but this is an off topic discussion forum where we discuss things. The sheer fact that no one has any idea where the plane is and I think it's fairly obvious that 'no one knows yet' what happened to it.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by popstocks View Post

      show respect and stop making up theories!
      Theories are all anyone has got at the moment.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by popstocks View Post

      show respect and stop making up theories!
      Find where I made up ONE theory please.

      Why did you quote me, what did I say that got your little gander up like that?

      Or can't you actually read?

      Whateverpedia nailed it, with no plane that leaves...uh...theories. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by popstocks View Post

      show respect and stop making up theories!
      Whoa! Wait a minute!

      How on earth do you come to the conclusion that to hypothesize about what happened is disrespectful? Would you rather we choose not to talk about it?

      I'm quite confident that family members of people on the flight told the news that the airlines were being disrespectful to them by not discussing it with them.

      Talk about speaking out of your er, butt!


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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Talk about speaking out of your er, butt!


        Terra
        Well said Terra, "popstocks" singles me out and tells me to stop making up theories and yet I've not actually come up with a single theory about it. In fact popstocks comes up with the revelation that no one knows what happened, I agree and then get accused of making up theories!

        For the record I'm quite baffled about the whole vanishing of the plane.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          Well said Terra, "popstocks" singles me out and tells me to stop making up theories and yet I've not actually come up with a single theory about it.

          For the record I'm quite baffled about the whole vanishing of the plane.
          As am I. I'm hoping they find something more than an oil slick soon. The Vietnamese reported this morning, and I quote, The door found was erroneous."

          My heart goes out to the baffled and grieving families of those lost. There were three Americans on that plane as well.


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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            As am I. I'm hoping they find something more than an oil slick soon. The Vietnamese reported this morning, and I quote, The door found was erroneous."

            My heart goes out to the baffled and grieving families of those lost. There were three Americans on that plane as well.


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            I agree completely, it's tragic what's happened, I just wish they'd find something. It's terrible for the families not having any idea where they are. For them this must be totally awful.
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        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post


        I'm quite confident that family members of people on the flight told the news that the airlines were being disrespectful to them by not discussing it with them.

        Talk about speaking out of your er, butt!


        Terra
        Correct. It is better to make up theories than not speaking of it at all. How would one feel if one of the passengers in FLIGHT MH370 is a family member, and not hearing any news about it (even if it was just hypotheses/guesses/theories)? My prayers go to the families of each passenger of FLIGHT MH370. I am pretty much sure that we'll be hearing from this one soon...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    With all due respect - maybe they are not missing but WE are - but we just don't know it yet. They are going on with their daily lives and WE are stuck in some kind of time switcheroo or have passed on. Maybe this is heaven. If it is though I'm kind of torn about the whole idea since there are some people here, that frankly, I think shouldn't be. No names though out of respect for the Warrior Forum rule #1.

    Mark

    PS If my unsupported theory as mentioned above isn't correct, then I hope they find out what happened soon. I can't imagine the awfulness these families are going through by not knowing what happened.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      With all due respect - maybe they are not missing but WE are - but we just don't know it yet. They are going on with their daily lives and WE are stuck in some kind of time switcheroo or have passed on. Maybe this is heaven. If it is though I'm kind of torn about the whole idea since there are some people here, that frankly, I think shouldn't be. No names though out of respect for the Warrior Forum rule #1.

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      I'm here Mark, so if you're right, you've been a very bad man.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        It must be so difficult for families to know nothing - but clearly the plane did not land safely anywhere. Not possible that many people on board - and no one would call a relative.

        It's rare for a big commercial airliner to disappear in midflight. But it's not unprecedented. In June 2009, Air France Flight 447 was en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris when communications ended suddenly from the Airbus A330, another state-of-the-art aircraft, with 228 people on board. It took four searches over the course of nearly two years to locate the bulk of Flight 447's wreckage and the majority of the bodies in a mountain range deep under the Atlantic Ocean. It took even longer to establish the cause of the disaster.
        One piece of info I haven't seen is the depth of water where the plane disappeared. I can see a pressurized plane floating for a bit but would a plane that lost all cabin pressure sink like a stone? Don't know.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          It must be so difficult for families to know nothing - but clearly the plane did not land safely anywhere. Not possible that many people on board - and no one would call a relative.



          One piece of info I haven't seen is the depth of water where the plane disappeared. I can see a pressurized plane floating for a bit but would a plane that lost all cabin pressure sink like a stone? Don't know.
          Yes, they sink. If there was an explosion, or a hole ripped in the shell, it would sink pretty quickly. Some parts may still float. The most telling part to me is that there was no warning from the pilots. Anyway, we'll know soon enough.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I'm curious about the cell phone tracking.

    Family members are saying the passengers cell phones are ringing
    and want them tracked.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      I'm curious about the cell phone tracking.

      Family members are saying the passengers cell phones are ringing
      and want them tracked.
      Most cellphones now are GPS units and "they" can tell where you are 24/7 even if you turn your phone off. If there are reports of phones ringing and nobody is looking into it - this is a lot bigger ball of wax that it would at first seem to be.
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  • Profile picture of the author Riggs
    Maybe this is mystery media hype for the unexpected return of the TV show Lost.

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  • It's too soon to rule out some kind of foul play.

    If some of the passengers had planned to bomb or hijack the aircraft, the bomb(s) could have gone off earlier than they had intended. At a high enough altitude, very little debris would ever be recovered, and a sudden explosion would have left no time for the crew to issue any kind of distress signal.
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    its pretty crazy really
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  • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
    Seems very strange

    Even planes that sink into deep water can be found via the homing device in the blackbox

    I read online today that 5 others were due to be on the plane and backed out at the last moment (they say their luggage was removed before take off though)
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    • Originally Posted by Aussie_Al View Post

      Even planes that sink into deep water can be found via the homing device in the blackbox
      A black box that's hundreds or thousands of feet under water might take some time to locate.
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      • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
        Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic View Post

        A black box that's hundreds or thousands of feet under water might take some time to locate.
        they say the water where they are searching is only a few hundred feet deep
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  • Profile picture of the author pl256
    This time last week I had a dream of a large twin engined wide bodied aircraft crashing, which was then repeated 2 nights later , the second of which was more like a news report. I thought it was going to crash in China on the mainland not over the sea. I sent a message to family in Australia telling them that a plane would crash at the weekend and to keep an eye on the news as I thought it would crash on saturday. I have this ability to see future events as I have a record of premonitions going back to 1986.

    Anyway in both dreams I saw the plane crash over land (mountains) and not the sea. I also believe there will be another plane crash in a few days time in Germany.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by pl256 View Post

        How could I possibly warn anyone? What would you suggest I do exactly? I cant stop these things from happening. You really are an idiot aren't you?
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by pl256 View Post

        How could I possibly warn anyone? What would you suggest I do exactly? I cant stop these things from happening. You really are an idiot aren't you?
        Claude was being sardonic because he doesn't believe in psychic powers. He's no idiot, but you would do well to remember not call people names around here.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          <snip> He's no idiot <snip>
          Let's not get too carried away.
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  • Profile picture of the author MrFade
    The awkward moment when my younger brother started telling me about "Bermuda Triangle". Grrrrrrrrr I felt scary after this news. May God be with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I DOUBT a plane would sink unless it is compromised. Hopefully, by default, it isn't.(I can't speak for the hold area, etc... If it is sealed, it could hold more weight. If it isn't sealed, it may hold LESS.) Basically it can hold as much weight as the water it displaces.

    I don't know if you can track a phone that is merely ringing. To RING, it doesn't have to transmit ANYTHING.

    And WHAT person would answer a phone merely to hangup? I would either leave it alone, or turn it off. HECK, they generally DEMAND that you turn them off after the doors close. If you DON'T, some will BURN THEIR BATTERIES, so the battery would be near dead within a few hours!

    ALSO, the phones would mostly be DEAD now! They no longer have the long standby times they once had.

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  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
    I just want some lotto numbers .. I've no gift for missing person searches.
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  • Profile picture of the author pl256
    Ok I apologise for calling Claude an idiot. I get a little frustrated when I feel someone isn't taking me seriously.

    Going back to my dream I had about this crash I know the plane came down in a mountainous area or close to a mountain as I could see lots of palm trees before it went out of view so they are wasting their time searching the sea. This plane crashed over land.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
      Originally Posted by pl256 View Post

      Ok I apologise for calling Claude an idiot. I get a little frustrated when I feel someone isn't taking me seriously.

      Going back to my dream I had about this crash I know the plane came down in a mountainous area or close to a mountain as I could see lots of palm trees before it went out of view so they are wasting their time searching the sea. This plane crashed over land.
      You could be right. New information is showing the plane may have changed direction and flown back towards Indonesia. The mystery deepens!
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      • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
        Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

        You could be right. New information is showing the plane may have changed direction and flown back towards Indonesia. The mystery deepens!
        Originally Posted by pl256 View Post

        Ok I apologise for calling Claude an idiot. I get a little frustrated when I feel someone isn't taking me seriously.

        Going back to my dream I had about this crash I know the plane came down in a mountainous area or close to a mountain as I could see lots of palm trees before it went out of view so they are wasting their time searching the sea. This plane crashed over land.
        It appears now that the plane may have changed direction, flew back over land to the other side of Malaysia. It is now possible they crashed over land. If this turns out to be the case, then all of us have witnessed an incredible "psychic event" on your part.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Aussie_Al View Post

          Seems very strange

          Even planes that sink into deep water can be found via the homing device in the blackbox

          I read online today that 5 others were due to be on the plane and backed out at the last moment (they say their luggage was removed before take off though)
          No surprise there, there are always individuals that know of impending doom, so avoid it!


          Originally Posted by pl256 View Post

          Ok I apologise for calling Claude an idiot. I get a little frustrated when I feel someone isn't taking me seriously.

          Hmmm, yep l have locked horns with Claude a few times in the past, and it can get frustrating to say the least.


          But the truth has a way of catching up with you, so even a devout disbeliever has to do a 360!


          In the meantime a punching bag and Pub membership doesn't hurt! :rolleyes:


          And for the record l have had a few premonitions as well, but without going to far into this l would say that Terrorism isn't involved this time!

          And this has a relatively simple answer. So we can forget about the UFO, stuff at the moment!


          Shane


          I also sense that we will know fairly soon and the what happened will come from a surprise source. Someone walking through some mountains and finding it, for example!

          As for mobiles, if it crashed then some phones could dial their speed numbers especially if it is broken!

          If some phones did ring, then it looks more likely it crashed than sank?
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            But the truth has a way of catching up with you, so even a devout disbeliever has to do a 360!
            If a "devout disbeliever" does a 360, they are still a devout disbeliever, just a little dizzy after doing a full spin.

            I "believe" you mean a 180?
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              If a "devout disbeliever" does a 360, they are still a devout disbeliever, just a little dizzy after doing a full spin.

              I "believe" you mean a 180?
              Kurt; When dealing with an inter-dimensional psychic wormhole, it's still a 360...it's 180...and then the echo of the 180...in dark energy. That gives you the total of 360 degrees.

              Try to keep up. And sit up straight. And stop drumming your fingers during class.
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              • Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                And sit up straight. And stop drumming our fingers during class.
                Riffle started it! :p
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          It appears now that the plane may have changed direction, flew back over land to the other side of Malaysia. It is now possible they crashed over land. If this turns out to be the case, then all of us have witnessed an incredible "psychic event" on your part.
          That is true. There is no other explanation. But if they find the jet in the water....it still verifies that the psychic event happened, because the jet was over land before it crashed. So, no matter what happens we now have proof of a powerful psychic event.

          I had a dream that the jet was found in the water. That means that if the plane is found in the water, I have psychic powers. So, either way, someone on this forum has powerful psychic powers.

          What a glorious day this is.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            So, either way, someone on this forum has powerful psychic powers.

            I knew you were going to say that.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    i had a dream it has something to do with the pilots. but who knows, its indeed a mystery.

    I just do not hope the govt cover up stuff, like they normally did. remember the TWA drama. They and their families need answers and the truth.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      i had a dream it has something to do with the pilots. but who knows, its indeed a mystery.

      I just do not hope the govt cover up stuff, like they normally did. remember the TWA drama. They and their families need answers and the truth.
      I had a dream about Johnny Depp ... but anyway, what were we talking about?
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        I had a dream about Johnny Depp ... but anyway, what were we talking about?
        We were talking about how much I look like Johnny Depp.
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      • Profile picture of the author pl256
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        I had a dream about Johnny Depp ... but anyway, what were we talking about?
        If this plane is found in the sea I will send $20 via Paypal to every single poster in this thread. It has crashed over land. I saw the whole thing (twice). No question whatsoever.
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        • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
          Originally Posted by pl256 View Post

          If this plane is found in the sea I will send $20 via Paypal to every single poster in this thread. It has crashed over land. I saw the whole thing (twice). No question whatsoever.
          Please don't do this. If you must, then donate some money to the families of survivors.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by pl256 View Post

          If this plane is found in the sea I will send $20 via Paypal to every single poster in this thread. It has crashed over land. I saw the whole thing (twice). No question whatsoever.
          My dream last night was that you never send the Paypal payments to us.
          So, when the plane is found at sea, and I don't receive my payment.....I will officially be the most powerful psychic on the Forum.

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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Didn't hear Rush Limbaugh - but I found myself agreeing with a person highly experienced with the 777 when he gave his own theory yesterday.

            He thinks the scenarios being proposed are over the top - he thinks it was catastrophic mechanical failure of the plane and the erratic path was due to pilot trying desperately to regain control of an uncontrollable plane.

            Let's face it - some of the "what if" ideas are totally ridiculous. The longer the "heads" keep talking to the "experts" - the wilder the scenarios get.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Any theory should consider the lack of cell phone calls that are usually made when a plane in is distress. I believe either the passengers didn't have time to make calls or they didn't know anything was wrong.
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              • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                Any theory should consider the lack of cell phone calls that are usually made when a plane in is distress. I believe either the passengers didn't have time to make calls or they didn't know anything was wrong.
                Wouldn't the possibility of making cell phone calls depend on the plane's altitude at the time?
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                  Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

                  Wouldn't the possibility of making cell phone calls depend on the plane's altitude at the time?
                  That's a good point and I'm not sure. I do think the passengers would try to call if they could. If those calls could or couldn't be detected probably depends on quite a few factors.
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              • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                Any theory should consider the lack of cell phone calls that are usually made when a plane in is distress. I believe either the passengers didn't have time to make calls or they didn't know anything was wrong.
                That's an excellent point Kurt. Out of all the passengers, not one person noticed the plane wasn't going where it was supposed to? 20 semiconductor employees headed to China suddenly don't have a sense of direction?

                One theory is that the plane had trouble, tried to turn to avoid a water landing/crash, and perhaps didn't make it. But, again, the plane sent out
                he Malaysia plane's ACARS transmitter continued to send out blips that were recorded by satellite once an hour for four to five hours after the transponder was turned off.
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        • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
          Originally Posted by pl256 View Post

          If this plane is found in the sea I will send $20 via Paypal to every single poster in this thread. It has crashed over land. I saw the whole thing (twice).
          I haven't seen any $20 bills in my dreams, but I have seen ashtrays and apples several times since the late 70's.

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    • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      I just do not hope the govt cover up stuff, like they normally did. remember the TWA drama. They and their families need answers and the truth.
      Let's hope the families do get the truth about this. That has been the crux of the matter for me, the personal suffering of those who've lost loved ones. No answers about what has happened is the worst form of torture I think. May they find some peace.
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    i think it land on somewehere.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
      Originally Posted by Lemonzer View Post

      i think it land on somewehere.
      Crashed or Hijacked?

      Keep in mind there are 100s of abandoned air strips all over Vietnam

      I can't believe legitimate news sources are now mentioning "aeronautical black holes" as a possible explanation for no trace of the plane
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Aussie_Al View Post

        Crashed or Hijacked?

        Keep in mind there are 100s of abandoned air strips all over Vietnam

        I can't believe legitimate news sources are now mentioning "aeronautical black holes" as a possible explanation for no trace of the plane
        I'm hearing MANY discussing the theory I came up with. It was NOT radar contact that was lost, but TRANSPONDER, which COULD have been cut. As for "aeronautical black holes", there are probably gaps in coverage. Properly coordinated, the plane could have seemed to have disappeared.

        Hijacking, at least up to say 2004, would be pretty simple. Of course, that is the US. Abroad, it may be easier.

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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          If a "devout disbeliever" does a 360, they are still a devout disbeliever, just a little dizzy after doing a full spin.

          I "believe" you mean a 180?
          See, l am psychic, l knew someone would pick up on that!

          But more to the truth, it was 3.30am, and l was in my zombie zone! :rolleyes:

          I stand corrected!


          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Kurt; When dealing with an inter-dimensional psychic wormhole, it's still a 360...it's 180...and then the echo of the 180...in dark energy. That gives you the total of 360 degrees.

          Try to keep up. And sit up straight. And stop drumming our fingers during class.
          Yep, unless there are two black holes facing each other and each one is representing a gateway to intersecting parallel universes.

          Then it is 360+360, since 5 dimensional space, time works.....Blah, blah, blah!

          You are a bad influence Claude, stop it!!!


          Originally Posted by pl256 View Post

          I'm going to get the person I emailed in Australia about 7 days ago to take a screenshot of the email titled " Plane crash" or better still a video logging in and reading it as proof I'm not making this up.
          My life is like one long episode of "The Twilight Zone".
          Fair enough you have a premonition with your bowel of cornflakes, (probably muesli) every morning, but when you post it here, and threaten others radial tires and color tv,s then it starts to go pear-shaped!


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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            See, l am psychic, l knew someone would pick up on that!

            But more to the truth, it was 3.30am, and l was in my zombie zone! :rolleyes:

            I stand corrected!




            Yep, unless there are two black holes facing each other and each one is representing a gateway to intersecting parallel universes.

            Then it is 360+360, since 5 dimensional space, time works.....Blah, blah, blah!

            You are a bad influence Claude, stop it!!!




            Fair enough you have a premonition with your bowel of cornflakes, (probably muesli) every morning, but when you post it here, and threaten others radial tires and color tv,s then it starts to go pear-shaped!


            Shane
            Bowel of cornflakes?


            Ewww! :p


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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            bowel of cornflakes,

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            I am soooo tempted to put that in my signature.
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            • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
              Today's favorite theory seems to be that the plane may have been hijacked and parked somewhere for later use. We'll probably see a similar scenario played out on the big screen within the next year or two, but does anyone seriously think that plane would ever be able to take off again without being shot down within minutes? Even if all hostages were still onboard, I think it would be taken out PDQ.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                "theory" is the operative word

                Dozens of talking heads with opinions on what "might have" happened. Day after day of "new info" that isn't info and isn't new, either.

                I turned off the news today when I saw this is still the leading story. There's nothing new to report - therefore it's not "news".
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  "theory" is the operative word

                  Dozens of talking heads with opinions on what "might have" happened. Day after day of "new info" that isn't info and isn't new, either.

                  I turned off the news today when I saw this is still the leading story. There's nothing new to report - therefore it's not "news".
                  Kay; You are an oasis of reason in a desert of shit.
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                  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Kay; You are an oasis of reason in a desert of shit.
                    I think it is understandable why people are still 'theorising' about this matter. Families have lost members, the situation is a tragic one. The more public discussion and speculation that occurs the better I think. Those working on the case, professionals and search teams etc, are unlikely to be distracted by all the media stories. They are trained to carry out an efficient set of tasks.

                    I've enjoyed this thread and thank everyone for their contributions. This is a story that I shall continue to follow, hoping for a resolution soon. A really gripping mystery that has held the attention of all, but the jaded.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                      I understand the reasons to a point - it's a mystery - a lot of people are involved.

                      But, in the US to lead with this news every hour on every network - is one of those "what is it they don't want us to notice" moments for me.

                      -China's economy? oops
                      -Ukraine? uh-oh
                      -Syria - children are dying in record numbers
                      -Afghanistan - still at war?
                      -New York Explosions
                      -HHS administrator quits and says exactly why -opening a can of worms about the govt

                      There are times when news is slow so one story dominates day after day - that isn't the case now so I have to wonder why this story is being covered constantly when there's nothing new to report.
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                      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                        I understand the reasons to a point - it's a mystery - a lot of people are involved.

                        But, in the US to lead with this news every hour on every network - is one of those "what is it they don't want us to notice" moments for me.

                        -China's economy? oops
                        -Ukraine? uh-oh
                        -Syria - children are dying in record numbers
                        -Afghanistan - still at war?
                        -New York Explosions
                        -HHS administrator quits and says exactly why -opening a can of worms about the govt

                        There are times when news is slow so one story dominates day after day - that isn't the case now so I have to wonder why this story is being covered constantly when there's nothing new to report.
                        Yes .... it's really tedious to see that much coverage about "we don't know where it is or what happened."
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                        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                          You are an oasis of reason in a desert of shit.
                          Maybe - but you guys sure put me off eating a bowel of frosted flakes!
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                          • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
                            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                            Maybe - but you guys sure put me off eating a bowel of frosted flakes!
                            They're bad for your figure anyway KK. Sugar can be a nightmare when it comes to looking fine, fine, fine, so states latest nutritional research. Or haven't you been watching the news lately?
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                            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                              I know - sugar has been bad for me at least every 10-15 years....but if I just ignore the warnings, sooner or later it's decided it's not that bad after all.:p

                              What's bad for you today will be good for you tomorrow - so might as well eat what you enjoy!
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                              • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
                                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                                I know - sugar has been bad for me at least every 10-15 years....but if I just ignore the warnings, sooner or later it's decided it's not that bad after all.:p

                                What's bad for you today will be good for you tomorrow - so might as well eat what you enjoy!
                                It's pizza, beers and hot dogs at the ball game for me again! Permission granted!
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                              • Profile picture of the author AmandaJane
                                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                                What's bad for you today will be good for you tomorrow - so might as well eat what you enjoy!
                                True! No one wants to live a hundred years or so anyway
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                • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  "theory" is the operative word
                  Yep. I really don't think we'll know anything until a small piece of wreckage or a body part or two wash up on a beach somewhere, giving searchers a better idea of where to look.
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

                Today's favorite theory seems to be that the plane may have been hijacked and parked somewhere for later use. We'll probably see a similar scenario played out on the big screen within the next year or two, but does anyone seriously think that plane would ever be able to take off again without being shot down within minutes? Even if all hostages were still onboard, I think it would be taken out PDQ.
                WOW, WHO said anything about "saving it"? MY theory was the standard hijack/ditch. The plane often DOES fly back with the others, to a protected airport preplanned, but that is due to the common banned travel rules.

                As for MY idea, it HAS been played out in real life and on the screen.

                Outside of a NON planned flight in restricted space, WHO would "take it out"?

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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Lemonzer View Post

      i think it land on somewehere.
      I've heard some conspiracy theories, both here and around the web but this is just taking the biscuits.

      I can't find anywhere in the world called Somewehere.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    This has to be the strangest disappearance, no sign of debris from crashing.

    Reminds me of the scene from Close Encounters of the Third Kind when people started walking off the spaceship*.










    * tinfoil hat not included.
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  • Profile picture of the author pl256
    I'm going to get the person I emailed in Australia about 7 days ago to take a screenshot of the email titled " Plane crash" or better still a video logging in and reading it as proof I'm not making this up.
    My life is like one long episode of "The Twilight Zone".
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    • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
      Originally Posted by pl256 View Post

      I'm going to get the person I emailed in Australia about 7 days ago to take a screenshot of the email titled " Plane crash" or better still a video logging in and reading it as proof I'm not making this up.
      My life is like one long episode of "The Twilight Zone".
      Maybe. But plane crashes happen on a fairly regular basis. What other precognitive dreams have you had? Any you would like to share?
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by pl256 View Post

      I'm going to get the person I emailed in Australia about 7 days ago to take a screenshot of the email titled " Plane crash" or better still a video logging in and reading it as proof I'm not making this up.
      My life is like one long episode of "The Twilight Zone".
      Don't get so worked up over it. Claude is a skeptic. Some people still are, and until something very vivid happens to them themselves, they remain so. Even quantum mechanics don't change minds when they're set.

      I've had premonitory dreams as well - not about this, but in the past. I have to dream about something several times over a couple week span, though - and if it involves someone dying, it seems the people I dream about dying are safe, always. People from the same social circles will be the ones who die. So I can't ever warn anyone because I don't really know what's going on - just something is about to happen that isn't good. Sounds like your dreams are a little more pinpointed than mine. You would have been fun to have in my dream group.

      And........it's nice of you to apologize for calling Claude an idiot. We here in the OT just refer to him as "special". Now.....Dan........he's another story.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Bowel of cornflakes?


        Ewww! :p


        Terra
        Yep, zombie zone writing at its best!!!!

        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Don't get so worked up over it. Claude is a skeptic. Some people still are, and until something very vivid happens to them themselves, they remain so. Even quantum mechanics don't change minds when they're set.

        I've had premonitory dreams as well - not about this, but in the past. I have to dream about something several times over a couple week span, though - and if it involves someone dying, it seems the people I dream about dying are safe, always. People from the same social circles will be the ones who die. So I can't ever warn anyone because I don't really know what's going on - just something is about to happen that isn't good. Sounds like your dreams are a little more pinpointed than mine. You would have been fun to have in my dream group.

        And........it's nice of you to apologize for calling Claude an idiot. We here in the OT just refer to him as "special". Now.....Dan........he's another story.
        Hmmmm, special in a kind of poke a rabid dog with a stick and stand back, kind of way? :rolleyes:


        But to get more serious, l read today that several eye witnesses, including a fisherman, saw a plane with the correct markings fly low over them, and then a load noise occurred. The fisherman reported that the tail was on fire.

        Looks like it crashed near land or on it somewhere. The pilot may have gone for the ocean, (because of the fire) and it crashed, with the debris being brought in with the tide.

        That would explain why no obvious wreckage was found in the ocean.


        Man l am good!!!


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        • Profile picture of the author popstocks
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          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Yep, zombie zone writing at its best!!!!



          Hmmmm, special in a kind of poke a rabid dog with a stick and stand back, kind of way? :rolleyes:


          But to get more serious, l read today that several eye witnesses, including a fisherman, saw a plane with the correct markings fly low over them, and then a load noise occurred. The fisherman reported that the tail was on fire.

          Looks like it crashed near land or on it somewhere. The pilot may have gone for the ocean, (because of the fire) and it crashed, with the debris being brought in with the tide.

          That would explain why no obvious wreckage was found in the ocean.


          Man l am good!!!


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          no mayday call?/
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Amazing how much air time all of the cable news stations devoted yesterday to an "image" found by "someone in China" that "might be" the missing plane....

            ...but turns out it isn't.

            The day before hours of news focused on "a last minute turn" which seems didn't happen.

            When the plane is found - we'll know about it. When the investigation is complete, we'll probably learn what happened.

            If a plane crashes into the water - it's still a crash even if we haven't found it yet. All the guesses in the world don't change what happened to that plane.
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  • Profile picture of the author popstocks
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    "looking" more and more like an act of terrosism. Happened very fast (mid air explosion?)

    I hope they eventually find it.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnyEnglish
    Day 6.. Still no evidence related to aircraft missing.

    Why media always gave news that make people confused? Till today day 6 there no evidence related to that missing aircraft.. If you can see those stupid people (keyboard warriors on facebook) associate this missing aircraft with political, test Malaysian securty airforce?

    What the? This thing related with people's life.

    If it's hijacking, they will ask for money etc
    If it crashing in the see, we'll see fragments, oil spill
    if it exploded in the air, we'll see fragments.

    This is a mysterious. Pilot didn't communicated with base center if the air craft really damaged before it's lost on radar.

    Day 6 there still hope, but as we can see how they will survive without drink especially those 2 infants.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Actually, the exprssion is FINE TOOTHED comb! That would be like a lice comb, not the kind illustrated HERE. COMEDY, MEH!

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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Actually, the exprssion is FINE TOOTHED comb! That would be like a lice comb, not the kind illustrated HERE. COMEDY, MEH!

        Steve
        Notice he uses the megaphone to talk to the guy next to him, he doesn't use the megaphone when he's yelling to the guys that are far away.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Notice he uses the megaphone to talk to the guy next to him, he doesn't use the megaphone when he's yelling to the guys that are far away.
          I didn't bother to watch the video, I commented only on the scene shown.

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  • Profile picture of the author wikiklix
    Looks like they think it might have carried on flying for another four or five hours. As it seems to have been picked up on a secondary radar.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
      A missing flight? It's the story itself that I wish would disappear actually. Find the plane, do the obligatory media docos & specials, then let's get back to our mundane worlds of navel gazing and reality TV dinners.

      Didn't some bright spark aeronautical designer ever think to install mandatory homing beacons, that can never be switched off, on all new aircrafts? Are you telling me they can find remote, far distant satellites orbiting minor planetary systems in galaxies 900 million light years away but they can't even find a missing aeroplane on Planet Earth. Waddup with that???
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

        A missing flight? It's the story itself that I wish would disappear actually. Find the plane, do the obligatory media docos & specials, then let's get back to our mundane worlds of navel gazing and reality TV dinners.

        Didn't some bright spark aeronautical designer ever think to install mandatory homing beacons, that can never be switched off, on all new aircrafts? Are you telling me they can find remote, far distant satellites orbiting minor planetary systems in galaxies 900 million light years away but they can't even find a missing aeroplane on Planet Earth. Waddup with that???
        It's amazing how few realize that they could always do the obvious thing, and disable it.

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        • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
          maybe the plane didn't crash - maybe it's in a hidden world - maybe it is purposely missing - like the people on board checked out of normal society - similar to what happened in the book Atlas Shrugged.

          regardless of what happened, I have the utmost compassion for the families and friends of the missing passengers. What they must be going through - the not knowing would be horrible, I'm sure
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        • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          It's amazing how few realize that they could always do the obvious thing, and disable it.

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          Maybe it is time to do the 'obvious thing' and have aircraft tracking devices installed that cannot be disabled! You know, like have the devices welded in to the end of the plane's wing etc. In order to switch the damn thing off you would have to crawl out on the wing with a tool set strapped to your belt or something. Hey, I feel a brand new plot for a Bruce Willis action flick coming on!
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

            Maybe it is time to do the 'obvious thing' and have aircraft tracking devices installed that cannot be disabled! You know, like have the devices welded in to the end of the plane's wing etc. In order to switch the damn thing off you would have to crawl out on the wing with a tool set strapped to your belt or something. Hey, I feel a brand new plot for a Bruce Willis action flick coming on!
            YEAH! ANOTHER wire to SHORT! Apparently people have DIED from such things! You can NOT weld an independent device onto the wing for a LOT of reasons. For ONE, it is STUPID! Some maintenance guy could forget to change the battery,etc, and NO TRANSPONDER! IF, it is NOT independent, like everything else, you DON'T have to walk out onto the wing, just snip a wire!

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            • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              YEAH! ANOTHER wire to SHORT! Apparently people have DIED from such things! You can NOT weld an independent device onto the wing for a LOT of reasons. For ONE, it is STUPID! Some maintenance guy could forget to change the battery,etc, and NO TRANSPONDER! IF, it is NOT independent, like everything else, you DON'T have to walk out onto the wing, just snip a wire!

              Steve
              I'm thinking of reasons of why it could be independent actually. Why is it stupid to have the device located on a hard to reach section of the aircraft? I would be arguing that the strategy would in fact be a smart one.
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

                I'm thinking of reasons of why it could be independent actually. Why is it stupid to have the device located on a hard to reach section of the aircraft? I would be arguing that the strategy would in fact be a smart one.
                HOW do you power it? PCs might be a good example here. They have a need to have a real time clock, and maybe store some often changing info. LUCKILY, it is VERY low power. So companies have even been known to SOLDER batteries in place. Systems were BRICKED because of it. NOW, most have a socket that isn't the best and put in a place not that easy to reach. People forget about it. Well, a transponder would use FAR more power, and its failure could be real problematic. It would be ANOTHER thing for the ground crew to remember, etc... ALSO, it allows the ground crew a way to disable it.

                HEY, YOU were the one suggesting that they should have to walk out on the wing to disable it.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

      Waddup with that???
      If you're going to go the "waddup" route, you really should go all the way...


      Waddup wit dat?

      Waddup widdat? ...is also acceptable.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Rush Limbaugh has an interesting theory. Perhaps all the electrical communication systems broke down in some way but the engines kept working so it did keep flying for a period of time after everyone lost contact. Because this part was down and if they got off track perhaps they flew into someone's air space and without any response from the plane or way to identify itself when challenged, that country's military shot it down and doesn't want to own up to it all.

    Theory works as well as the rest of them.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      Rush Limbaugh has an interesting theory. Perhaps all the electrical communication systems broke down in some way but the engines kept working so it did keep flying for a period of time after everyone lost contact. Because this part was down and if they got off track perhaps they flew into someone's air space and without any response from the plane or way to identify itself when challenged, that country's military shot it down and doesn't want to own up to it all.

      Theory works as well as the rest of them.

      Mark
      Are you sure? As I recall, he favored the hijacking also. The idea of broken down communications doesn't explain the pings, or the fact that there is no debris, or the fact that it appears there was no attempt to correct the situation. They weren't blind, and there is backup THERE also!

      Still, it DOES make one wonder. Such a plane trying to fly through some airspace such as this COULD be in SERIOUS trouble. Are there allowances for that? Does the GROUND CREW speak english(In foreign lands, I bet they don't).

      The answer to THAT might determine whether they decide to land, double back, or go another way. They want to land someplace they are not seen as an immediate threat.

      Like it or not, commercial airtravel in most countries, if not all, deals with "aviation english" Aviation English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Of course, it is meant for pilots and air traffic controllers.

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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    BBC News - Missing Malaysia Airlines flight systems disabled, PM says

    The communications systems of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 were deliberately disabled, Malaysia's Prime Minister Najib Razak has said.

    According to satellite and radar evidence, he said, the plane then changed course and could have continued flying for a further seven hours.

    He said the "movements are consistent with the deliberate action of someone on the plane".

    The plane disappeared a week ago with 239 people on board.

    The Kuala Lumpur-Beijing flight last made contact with air traffic control over the South China Sea to the east of Malaysia, about one hour after take-off.

    Mr Razak told a news conference that new satellite evidence shows "with a high degree of certainty" that the aircraft's communications systems were disabled and then it changed course, flying back over Malaysia towards India.

    Satellite signals continued to be picked up from the plane some seven hours after it lost radar contact.

    Mr Razak said the authorities are now trying to trace the plane across two possible "corridors" - north from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan through to northern Thailand, and south from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean.

    The investigation, he said, had "entered a new phase".
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    I would think that if it proves to be pilot hijacking, then Malaysia Airways is finished as it is already in bad shape. Just like Pan Am flight 103 finished off Pan AM.

    It cannot be underestimated how unnerving this event is in Asia. For one, there are a large number of extremely superstitious people around here. Also, it seems to show up their governments and militaries very poorly. Now, people could really lose confidence in their airlines.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      I would think that if it proves to be pilot hijacking, then Malaysia Airways is finished as it is already in bad shape. Just like Pan Am flight 103 finished off Pan AM.

      It cannot be underestimated how unnerving this event is in Asia. For one, there are a large number of extremely superstitious people around here. Also, it seems to show up their governments and militaries very poorly. Now, people could really lose confidence in their airlines.
      No offense, but as bad as the other continents are, asia and africa seem to be WORSE. You would think that a hijacking would be one of the LEAST damaging things. A bad aircraft or terrorism are pretty bad.

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      • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        No offense, but as bad as the other continents are, asia and africa seem to be WORSE. You would think that a hijacking would be one of the LEAST damaging things. A bad aircraft or terrorism are pretty bad.

        Steve
        The problem for Malaysian Airlines is that the pilots are the main suspects. The co-pilot is known to have invited passengers into the cockpit before.

        The first communication system was turned off before the captain gave the last radio message. The transponder was then turned off and the plane reversed and flew over Malaysia (this was confirmed by satellite imagery). The plane also followed known way points and so this is beginning to look quite convincing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I've heard all that - and yet they are still including the initial path in the search. If they KNOW it turned why do that?

          I just listened to a man on CNN claim it's looking like the plane was hijacked and is being hidden somewhere. How do you land a 777 outside of an airport with no one noticing? How do you control 250 people - or dispose of 250 bodies?

          They may be right - but it stretches imagination for me.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            I've heard all that - and yet they are still including the initial path in the search. If they KNOW it turned why do that?

            I just listened to a man on CNN claim it's looking like the plane was hijacked and is being hidden somewhere. How do you land a 777 outside of an airport with no one noticing? How do you control 250 people - or dispose of 250 bodies?

            They may be right - but it stretches imagination for me.
            Apparently, there was little cooperation and/or nobody was tracking the plane, so they apparently can't trust ANYTHING! Take into account how high it could have been, weather, inertia, etc... and YIKES!!!!!! Just a constant speed of 600(it could go faster) at a steady clip(it could have varied), for 4 hours(it apparently could have flown longer), and it would be an area with a radius of 2400miles from the last known spot. Of course any variation could make that larger.

            As for the copilot allowing people up front, they used to do that in the US ALL THE TIME! As a little kid, I got to b in the cockpit of a 747 when I and my father flew to wisconsin.
            It is a pity that things have changed SO much.

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            • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              Apparently, there was little cooperation and/or nobody was tracking the plane, so they apparently can't trust ANYTHING! Take into account how high it could have been, weather, inertia, etc... and YIKES!!!!!! Just a constant speed of 600(it could go faster) at a steady clip(it could have varied), for 4 hours(it apparently could have flown longer), and it would be an area with a radius of 2400miles from the last known spot. Of course any variation could make that larger.

              As for the copilot allowing people up front, they used to do that in the US ALL THE TIME! As a little kid, I got to b in the cockpit of a 747 when I and my father flew to wisconsin.
              It is a pity that things have changed SO much.

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              Steve... your thoughts on the semiconductor employees on board? 12 from Malaysia, 8 from China. I know little about semiconductors.

              I'm also curious as to why they (media and such) haven't publicized any information as to whom? (gads I miss Alexa), the passengers are. Most passengers are reported as being from China, so why hijack? Curious as to what the "value" of this plane would be.

              And, what of the families that called the cell phones and got rings? Nothing further has been mentioned. :confused:

              I can't think of a country that would want to piss China off that bad! According to the news, China is really "upset" about this.

              More on the "losing contact"

              To turn off the transponder, someone in the cockpit would have to turn a knob with multiple selections to the "off" position while pressing down at the same time, said John Goglia, a former member of the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. That's something a pilot would know, but it could also be learned by someone who researched the plane on the Internet, he said.
              The Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) has two aspects, Goglia said. The information part of the system was shut down, but not the transmission part. In most planes, the information section can be shut down by hitting cockpit switches in sequence in order to get to a computer screen where an option must be selected using a keypad, said Goglia, an expert on aircraft maintenance.
              And then there's this:

              That's also something a pilot would know how to do, but that could also be discovered through research, he said.
              But to turn off the other transmission portion of the ACARS, it would be necessary to go to an electronics bay beneath the cockpit. That's something a pilot wouldn't normally know how to do, Goglia said. The Malaysia plane's ACARS transmitter continued to send out blips that were recorded by satellite once an hour for four to five hours after the transponder was turned off. The blips don't contain any messages or data, but the satellite can tell in a very broad way what region the blips are coming from.
              It just keeps getting more interesting...

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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

                Steve... your thoughts on the semiconductor employees on board? 12 from Malaysia, 8 from China. I know little about semiconductors.

                I'm also curious as to why they (media and such) haven't publicized any information as to whom? (gads I miss Alexa), the passengers are. Most passengers are reported as being from China, so why hijack? Curious as to what the "value" of this plane would be.

                And, what of the families that called the cell phones and got rings? Nothing further has been mentioned. :confused:

                I can't think of a country that would want to piss China off that bad! According to the news, China is really "upset" about this.

                More on the "losing contact"

                And then there's this:


                It just keeps getting more interesting...

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                First of all, Cell phones really aren't phones. They are special radio transceivers that, using a key, and one of at least FIVE standards, connect to a tower and THAT tower places the call.

                So what does that mean? If the line of sight distance to the tower exceeds the maximum for that standard or the standard isn't one your phone supports, or the keys aren't allowed, you CAN'T MAKE THE CALL!!!!!!!

                Suppose that you had a cell phone, and NO compatible tower within 2-10 miles of you but you were RIGHT next to the phone you want to call. You could NOT call it! Supposed you were anywhere in asia, and had a FDMA cell phone. You could NOT call it! Suppose you had the latest technology, you were near a compatible tower, and didn't have the right account. You could NOT call it. If the phone were traveling above say 12000 feet, it couldn't call anywhere, because the line of sight would be greater than 2 miles. At this point, a lot of the phones would likely be DEAD anyway.

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                • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
                  Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                  First of all, Cell phones really aren't phones. They are special radio transceivers that, using a key, and one of at least FIVE standards, connect to a tower and THAT tower places the call.

                  So what does that mean? If the line of sight distance to the tower exceeds the maximum for that standard or the standard isn't one your phone supports, or the keys aren't allowed, you CAN'T MAKE THE CALL!!!!!!!

                  Suppose that you had a cell phone, and NO compatible tower within 2-10 miles of you but you were RIGHT next to the phone you want to call. You could NOT call it! Supposed you were anywhere in asia, and had a FDMA cell phone. You could NOT call it! Suppose you had the latest technology, you were near a compatible tower, and didn't have the right account. You could NOT call it. If the phone were traveling above say 12000 feet, it couldn't call anywhere, because the line of sight would be greater than 2 miles. At this point, a lot of the phones would likely be DEAD anyway.

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          and the plane reversed
          In mid air?
          That must have been some maneuver.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I read a theory that it was hijacked and then crashed because the hijackers
    did not estimate the fuel correctly.

    My wild scenario is that it was hijacked, successfully landed and then will be stripped
    and the engines used on a different aircraft or "missile" to attempt do harm.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      I read a theory that it was hijacked and then crashed because the hijackers
      did not estimate the fuel correctly.

      My wild scenario is that it was hijacked, successfully landed and then will be stripped
      and the engines used on a different aircraft or "missile" to attempt do harm.
      What kind of aircraft? A missile sounds ridiculous. It is a LOT of work to build something like a poor, heavy, slow, expensive missile!

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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        What kind of aircraft? A missile sounds ridiculous. It is a LOT of work to build something like a poor, heavy, slow, expensive missile!

        Steve
        I said it was wild scenario of thing. If it did get hijacked to be used later as some have suggested, they would know they would likely be shot down instantly.

        So, in my wild fiction scenario, they would make something different and unexpected and use the engines to propel something for a 911 style strike, or deliver a nuke or EMT weapon. All sorts of logistical issues with fuel and building whatever type of craft... And, I really no little about 777s and Rolls Royce jet engines - or how close they are to any likely targets.

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        To be serious - especially because there have not been credible claims from bad guys (as far as I know) - I think it crashed somewhere due to electrical/mechanical failure. With what little I know about electrical, a short that turned into melting wires... could explain why the tracking devices appear to have been turned off and are not working.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

          So, in my wild fiction scenario, they would make something different and unexpected and use the engines to propel something for a 911 style strike, or deliver a nuke or EMT weapon. All sorts of logistical issues with fuel and building whatever type of craft... And, I really no little about 777s and Rolls Royce jet engines - or how close they are to any likely targets.
          Rolls Royce is one of like the big three jet engines manufacturers in the world. It turns out the 777 can take any of them, pratt witney, GE, or Rolls Royce. They burn a LOT of fuel. OH, they put out LOTS of power, but they burn LOTS of fuel. I don't think a missile with a jet engine would be economical even from a FUEL standpoint. Outside of the V1, did anyone ever try? The V2, patriot missile, etc... are rockets.


          ENTIRE V1 buzz bomb, INCLUDING the relatively tiny pulse jet engine..., 2150kg
          RANGE... 250km

          Rolls Royce Trent 800 engine ALONE, without a drop of fuel, 16500pounds(7500kg) It has 24 fuel injectors

          The length, at, 4.37m, is probably only like 50% longer than the V1 engine, but it is a good deal wider.

          If not for heavy duty service, or hauling so many passengers, the RR Trent 800 may never have existed.

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          • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            Rolls Royce is one of like the big three jet engines manufacturers in the world. It turns out the 777 can take any of them, pratt witney, GE, or Rolls Royce. They burn a LOT of fuel. OH, they put out LOTS of power, but they burn LOTS of fuel. I don't think a missile with a jet engine would be economical even from a FUEL standpoint. Outside of the V1, did anyone ever try? The V2, patriot missile, etc... are rockets.


            ENTIRE V1 buzz bomb, INCLUDING the relatively tiny pulse jet engine..., 2150kg
            RANGE... 250km

            Rolls Royce Trent 800 engine ALONE, without a drop of fuel, 16500pounds(7500kg) It has 24 fuel injectors

            The length, at, 4.37m, is probably only like 50% longer than the V1 engine, but it is a good deal wider.

            If not for heavy duty service, or hauling so many passengers, the RR Trent 800 may never have existed.

            Steve
            In my fictional scenario, the hijackers would not be tied to a nation. Therefore, they would just be putting together whatever they could get their hands on to carry out their evil strike.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
    Well Steve,
    How about this. Unlike you I'm not about to try and CAPS you off the page! Secondly, the tracing device would have to be checked by ground staff, to be sure a clear signal is being received before the flight took off. No signal, no takeoff.

    Thirdly, checking and replacing a battery is not a hard task. This could be done regularly if needed. Fourthly, if your 'BIG' argument about battery issues has any validity, then perhaps the device could be charged by some other means. Solar perhaps?

    In the era of space travel and improved aeronautical technologies, it is very hard to believe that a greater solution cannot be found in order to help prevent future untraceable hijackings, like the one that has most likely occurred to the missing Malaysian flight. I'm not claiming to have all the answers here but prefer to focus on coming up with possible solutions rather than attacking with acid sounding rebuttals.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

      Well Steve,
      How about this. Unlike you I'm not about to try and CAPS you off the page! Secondly, the tracing device would have to be checked by ground staff, to be sure a clear signal is being received before the flight took off. No signal, no takeoff.

      Thirdly, checking and replacing a battery is not a hard task. This could be done regularly if needed. Fourthly, if your 'BIG' argument about battery issues has any validity, then perhaps the device could be charged by some other means. Solar perhaps?

      In the era of space travel and improved aeronautical technologies, it is very hard to believe that a greater solution cannot be found in order to help prevent future untraceable hijackings, like the one that has most likely occurred to the missing Malaysian flight. I'm not claiming to have all the answers here but prefer to focus on coming up with possible solutions rather than attacking with acid sounding rebuttals.

      Have a great day!
      Think what you will. Engineers have tried such things for MILLENIA. Someone ALWAYS figures a way around it. NOBODY cares if it works on the ground. In fact ONE "solution" had a lockout if there was no pressure on the landing gear. So it was MADE to allow it to be disabled until the wheels left the ground.

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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    They have this already - perhaps modification is needed:
    (From the Guardian)
    Routine, automated signals from the aircraft – known as electronic handshakes or pings – registered on the Inmarsat satellite network. MH370's last ping suggested it was in one of two flight corridors: one between Thailand and Kazakhstan, and another between Indonesia and the southern Indian Ocean. The last confirmed communication was at 08.11, which would indicate that the Boeing continued flying for nearly seven hours after contact was lost. So its location will be extremely difficult to pinpoint. Without further radar/satellite/eyewitness testimony, say experts, it is very much like looking for a needle in a haystack. A source familiar with US assessments of the Inmarsat pings said it appeared the plane turned south over the Indian Ocean, where it would presumably have run out of fuel and crashed.


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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I find it hard to believe a jetliner can't be detected by military radar from several surrounding countries. Also, satellite tracking.

    What they're basically saying is anyone can fly a jetliner without being detected ([cough] BS).
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I find it hard to believe a jetliner can't be detected by military radar from several surrounding countries. Also, satellite tracking.

      What they're basically saying is anyone can fly a jetliner without being detected ([cough] BS).
      Well, that earlier claim has since been openly retracted. NOW, they are saying they couldn't track THE plane. All radar can do is tell you something is there, and MAYBE what it MIGHT be. The "stealth" bomber, for example, isn't really stealth. It looks like some far smaller birds in formation. They just couldn't make it scatter EVERYTHING. If you were in some area, and knew a bomber was coming, you could maybe even track it. Of course you COULD LITERALLY end up on a wild goose chase!

      Anyway, ATCs like transponders because they don't have to track the plane everywhere. If two planes cross, and even swap routes, you STILL know which is which.

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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I find it hard to believe a jetliner can't be detected by military radar from several surrounding countries. Also, satellite tracking.

      What they're basically saying is anyone can fly a jetliner without being detected ([cough] BS).
      You can be sure that it was most likely noticed by military radar and/or satellites, but its surveillance assets will never be publicly compromised over such an incident.
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        You can be sure that it was most likely noticed by military radar and/or satellites, but its surveillance assets will never be publicly compromised over such an incident.
        That's what I believe too. I think that plane was detected by "surveillance" of several sorts, but that said surveillance cannot be publicly addressed.


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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        You can be sure that it was most likely noticed by military radar and/or satellites, but its surveillance assets will never be publicly compromised over such an incident.
        Exactly, no doubt multiple countries track flight traffic all over the world, especially the US & China.

        Nobody turns off a switch in a jetliner cockpit & disappears.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I find it hard to believe a jetliner can't be detected by military radar from several surrounding countries. Also, satellite tracking.

      What they're basically saying is anyone can fly a jetliner without being detected ([cough] BS).
      Ya think? There's where my head is right now. They can follow a citizen down to the color of toilet paper they used in which bathroom at which time a day -- and between Russia, the US, and China -- all with outstanding spy and technology abilities - and not one of em can tell us where a stinking Boeing went? WTF?

      I'm pretty sure they know where it is, but it's keeping us amused and distracting us from watching anything they're doing while they decide whether to hold WWIII or not. Good grief.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    The captain is suspected to have attended the trial of an opposition leader for sodomy just hours before he took off. There are fears that he was so upset at the verdict that he decided to divert the plane.



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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Regarding the graphic Derek presented, note that it DID say the plane could be tracked but implied it wasn't because it was out of radar range. Countries aren't going to have radar all over. A pilot wouldn't need a flight simulator to plan this.

    The four people that checked in COULD have been terrorists using the old check the bomb, and stay off the plane trick, but US federal law now requires a delay and bags to be taken off, at least OFFICIALLY, if that happens. You would HOPE other places have done the same. Of course, they COULD simply have missed the flight, legitimately. Checked in COULD mean that they simply arrived at ANOTHER airport and were going to connect.

    Unconsciousness from a loss of pressure is FAR from secret. From what I understand, all the fuel found to this point is the wrong type of fuel, so it isn't from the jet.

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  • Profile picture of the author popstocks
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    tracking device that can be switched of...how stupid is this?

    What are the chances of ever finding this aircraft now? Seems lower and lower as everyday passes.

    Conspiracy theorists will love this. Wait and see the stories they'll come out with.
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  • Profile picture of the author rwbovee
    The latest news is the Malaysian Prime Minister believes it was hijacked. The plane seems to have continued flying for several hours. Malaysian Air Florce radar thinks the plane changed course and headed west.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    So far I've read the plane had 7 hours of fuel & possibly traveled an additional 8 hours after they lost contact.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I can't believe people are more worried about a missing plane than the fact that we might be on the verge of WWIII right now.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I can't believe people are more worried about a missing plane than the fact that we might be on the verge of WWIII right now.
      We've been on the verge of WWWIII since September 2, 1945.
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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        We've been on the verge of WWWIII since September 2, 1945.
        But perhaps NEVER as close! I never thought about it as a real problem until relatively lately.

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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    The Malaysian Air Force has got some questions to answer. Why did they not scramble a jet to investigate when an unidentified aircraft flew over its territory. Surely, there aren't many more prestigious targets to attack than the Petronas Twin Towers?
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Malaysia does have several F-18s and F-5 fighters always at a high level of readiness for such threats, and the jetliner passed over at least three of their military radar sites.

      In addition China, India and other countries in Central Asia as well as U.S. satellites should have been able to detect such unidentified aircraft that was flying around unchallenged for 7 hours.

      U.S. and NATO jets periodically scramble to intercept unidentified aircraft approaching their airspace, including a growing number of Russian long-range bombers.

      Whoever knows what happened to Flight MH370 is not saying, most likely to protect the source of eyes in the sky, defense capability, or perhaps even to preclude an international incident.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Malaysia does have several F-18s and F-5 fighters always at a high level of readiness for such threats, and the jetliner passed over at least three of their military radar sites.
        Why didn't they react, then? Or did they react and took the plane down, but didn't go public about it? :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

          Why didn't they react, then? Or did they react and took the plane down, but didn't go public about it? :confused:
          Dunno, but at one site, the air defense radar crew reportedly "didn't notice" the unidentified blip on the radar screen.
          Series of Errors by Malaysia Mounts, Complicating the Task of Finding Flight 370

          My guess is no one who may have seen it considered it a real threat, as the airliner's course most likely went south - off into the ocean. And it seems characteristically as in this case that military folks may be reluctant to explain how they know where it went down.
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    Australia agrees to lead search in Indian Ocean for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370

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  • Profile picture of the author popstocks
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    ^^ I don't think that's very funny^^ 240 people lives are in the balance here and you make jokes about it. What kind of person are you?
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    I don't see much chance of them being alive either. But still, I think there are too many jokes in this thread. It is an extremely awful time for the friends and relatives. I wonder would there have been the same amount if it had been a American or European flight?
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      But still, I think there are too many jokes in this thread.
      OK, I apologise to any that have taken offense at the "jokes" I've posted on this thread.

      In times of stress, humour can be a useful tool tool to provide some release for that tension, and that was my intention behind posting them.
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      • Profile picture of the author popstocks
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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        OK, I apologise to any* that have taken offense at the "jokes" I've posted on this thread.

        In times of stress, humour can be a useful tool tool to provide some release for that tension, and that was my intention behind posting them.

        * Except for popstocks who's been here for five minutes and needs to HTFU if he/she is going to survive the rough and tumble that goes on down here in the OT forum.
        B*S*.......how would you like it if your family were o that plane and then having to listen to "jokes" to "relieve the stress"?

        It's good you admitted you made a mistake with your crass remarks but stop with the excuses.
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          Originally Posted by popstocks View Post

          B*S*.......how would you like it if your family were o that plane and then having to listen to "jokes" to "relieve the stress"?

          It's good you admitted you made a mistake with your crass remarks but stop with the excuses.
          And what are your excuses for being crass and rude and even obnoxious, dare I say?

          You say it was good he manned up to making a mistake, over and beyond that, he even apologized, but yet you haven't shown one hint of remorse for attacking people, let alone apologized. Isn't that the epitome of what one calls hypocrisy? :rolleyes:


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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            They don't do cavity searches in the US? I'd have thought ones 'cavity' would be the first place to check in a suspected drug mule in an airport. :confused:

            One thing I do know, the fact the planes simply vanished is generating far more discussion and press time than had it simply been blown up.
            Originally Posted by popstocks View Post

            No-one knows yet...everything is typical internet speculation.
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            You're right but this is an off topic discussion forum where we discuss things. The sheer fact that no one has any idea where the plane is and I think it's fairly obvious that 'no one knows yet' what happened to it.
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            show respect and stop making up theories!
            Hi Popstocks, you quoted me when you said the bolded bit and accused me of making up theories.

            I've quoted everything I wrote before you accused me and despite asking this in another thread, I'm still interested to know where you think I'm making up theories.

            If you can find it in the text above, I'd very grateful so I don't make the same mistake again.
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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by popstocks View Post

          B*S* snipped.
          Any truth to the rumour that you've been commissioned to do a re-write of "How To Win Friends And Influence People".
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      I don't see much chance of them being alive either. But still, I think there are too many jokes in this thread. It is an extremely awful time for the friends and relatives. I wonder would there have been the same amount if it had been a American or European flight?
      Nobody thinks this is funny.

      What's funny is the reactions based on little information. We are making fun of each other, not a tragedy. It has nothing to do with where these people came from. You are miss-interpreting our actions.

      There is nothing funny about this tragedy. And everyone (I assume) is aware of the feelings of the relatives. These posts just aren't about that. I promise.
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      • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Nobody thinks this is funny.
        Claude, it started off with this post #6 here by Taskemann which, looking back does seem have a ring of truth to it"

        "I think the plane crashed on a mysterious island which isn't marked on any map in middle of nowhere in the Pacific. Only a few people know this island exist, and they'll do anything to keep the island secret. They were most likely brought to the island on purpose."
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          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          Claude, it started off with this post #6 here by Taskemann which, looking back does seem have a ring of truth to it"
          Derek, I'd give Jimmy the benefit of the doubt here. I'm not quite certain he was making a joke. He's an outside-the-box thinker and not the type to make light of a situation like this.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
    Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

    I don't see much chance of them being alive either. But still, I think there are too many jokes in this thread. It is an extremely awful time for the friends and relatives. I wonder would there have been the same amount if it had been a American or European flight?
    You have to remember that there are missing American, Australian and citizens from other countries too. I think some of the jokes in the thread started when a possible 'psychic' started discussing dreams and a promise of $20 Paypal handouts etc.

    I think that the situation of the missing aircraft is a true tragedy! Once again, the media's handling of the case has turned it in to somewhat of a circus. But that's the nature of 21C reporting and story speculation.

    Peace and safety to all airline passengers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I was listening to a timeline last night - it was in a logical, organized presentation of "what we knew and when"....and it struck me:

      This doesn't make sense.

      Just today yet another switch - the plane- described by experts as carrying 7 hrs fuel - is not suspected to have flown over and hour...then disappeared ...then flew on 7-8 hrs. We're moving into fantasy land on this story, creating scenarios based on suppositions.

      Lives are not "in the balance" - there is no balance. We are to believe this plane was so closely tracked we know it went north....or it went south....

      In other words - we don't know what happened and neither do the experts. Hopefully, it will be found eventually and questions answered and families given closure.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I was listening to a timeline last night - it was in a logical, organized presentation of "what we knew and when"....and it struck me:

        This doesn't make sense.

        Just today yet another switch - the plane- described by experts as carrying 7 hrs fuel - is not suspected to have flown over and hour...then disappeared ...then flew on 7-8 hrs. We're moving into fantasy land on this story, creating scenarios based on suppositions.

        Lives are not "in the balance" - there is no balance. We are to believe this plane was so closely tracked we know it went north....or it went south....

        In other words - we don't know what happened and neither do the experts. Hopefully, it will be found eventually and questions answered and families given closure.
        MAN! They would be better off to show EXACTLY what they KNOW, and show the GPM, estimated fuel load then, and estimated MAXIMUM fuel load then. Even DRY WEIGHT and FUEL WEIGHT would be a help. Commercial airliners generally have no sats, restrooms, etc... so all that stuff is dependent on the whims of the airline. As such, the dry weight would be different. Readers could then come up with their OWN ideas that are plausible. One is BOUND to be close if it didn't crash. BTW from what I understand, those pings, at least normally and for the most part here, convey the GPM, and fuel load.

        And I bet china and some other places restrict even RADAR. If so, there may be corridors you could go through and not be tracked by less secretive countries.

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    Have you ever seen LOST?

    That´s what happend...
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      What I think happened...

      I have not read all of the posts in this thread, but I did read a few. If somebody has already mentioned this, my apologies.

      Cascading mechanical and electrical failure. One (mechanical or electrical) may have lead to the other. Fire in the "electrical room"? "Incident" in the luggage compartment? Etc.

      No criminal act(s).

      No terrorist element.

      My thoughts, with a lot of wiggle room.

      Shortly after "Good night" the pilots realize they have a fight on their hands.

      With the electrical systems down or failing they try to turn back to Malaysia.

      They can not radio out.

      They attempt to turn the plane back but get no or a partial response from the wheel. Remember the 777-200 is a fly-by-wire plane.

      Boeing: Boeing 777 Facts
      Pilot: Was that Boeing 777 diverted deliberately? Not necessarily - CNN.com

      No 'tricity, no turning!

      The pilot attempts to enter a turn via the computer. The turn starts but does not complete.

      The planes flies West until it runs out of fuel and goes down in the Indian ocean.

      I think that some of the stories that are receiving a lot of air-time will turn out to be in error.

      Just my opinion. That opinion is subject to change as more facts come forward.

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

        What I think happened...

        I have not read all of the posts in this thread, but I did read a few. If somebody has already mentioned this, my apologies.

        Cascading mechanical and electrical failure. One (mechanical or electrical) may have lead to the other. Fire in the "electrical room"? "Incident" in the luggage compartment? Etc.

        No criminal act(s).

        No terrorist element.

        My thoughts, with a lot of wiggle room.

        Shortly after "Good night" the pilots realize they have a fight on their hands.

        With the electrical systems down or failing they try to turn back to Malaysia.

        They can not radio out.

        They attempt to turn the plane back but get no or a partial response from the wheel. Remember the 777-200 is a fly-by-wire plane.

        Boeing: Boeing 777 Facts
        Pilot: Was that Boeing 777 diverted deliberately? Not necessarily - CNN.com

        No 'tricity, no turning!

        The pilot attempts to enter a turn via the computer. The turn starts but does not complete.

        The planes flies West until it runs out of fuel and goes down in the Indian ocean.

        I think that some of the stories that are receiving a lot of air-time will turn out to be in error.

        Just my opinion. That opinion is subject to change as more facts come forward.

        (Remember, I shave with Occam's Razor. I like simple.)

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        It's not necessarily the best, but systems ARE supposed to be REDUNDANT. ALSO, I think they ARE supposed to train with alternate methods in case a control surface fails. That said, the 737 had like three systems down the same part, and they found possible ways IT could fail.

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          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          It's not necessarily the best, but systems ARE supposed to be REDUNDANT. ALSO, I think they ARE supposed to train with alternate methods in case a control surface fails. That said, the 737 had like three systems down the same part, and they found possible ways IT could fail.

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          I would be very surprised if there were no backup communication devices with its own power supply that would still work in case of a massive electrical failure.
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      Originally Posted by Max Anderson View Post

      Have you ever seen LOST?

      That´s what happend...
      They left without the camera crew.

      It's like playing hide & seek all by yourself. Is anyone even looking?
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  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
    Now the search area has shifted to the Indian Ocean near Australia. This is a vast area of water. A very difficult task!

    The media has taken some odd angles with this mysterious disappearance but now it seems that Courtney Love may have found the plane. Who knows? Courtney Love claims to have found missing plane - Loaded
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Either way I'm still totally baffled and I certainly would not like to have a relative or friend on that plane.

      The sheer not knowing and looking at breaking news several times a day to find it's the same breaking news is frustrating me and I don't know a soul on that plane.
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      • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Either way I'm still totally baffled and I certainly would not like to have a relative or friend on that plane.

        The sheer not knowing and looking at breaking news several times a day to find it's the same breaking news is frustrating me and I don't know a soul on that plane.
        I have got no relatives there but I am looking at breaking news several times a day as well. It is probably the most baffling mystery I have ever seen. I may even have been on that particular plane before as I have definitely been on a Malaysian Airlines 777.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          I have got no relatives there but I am looking at breaking news several times a day as well. It is probably the most baffling mystery I have ever seen. I may even have been on that particular plane before as I have definitely been on a Malaysian Airlines 777.
          Crikey that's a point, I flew via Malaysia with Malaysia Airlines to Australia 3 years ago. Now you mention it that may have been a 777 too, I could be wrong of course. I'm very glad you don't have family on there Derek, that'd be awful.

          The news is quite annoying, yesterday, all day, the breaking news was that the pilots didn't leave suicide notes. It annoyed me because when I see breaking news, I expect breaking news, not previously reported news. It made me realise how incredibly annoyed that must make the poor people waiting for news on loved ones.

          Like you say, this is the most baffling mystery I've seen too.
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          • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            Crikey that's a point, I flew via Malaysia with Malaysia Airlines to Australia 3 years ago. Now you mention it that may have been a 777 too, I could be wrong of course. I'm very glad you don't have family on there Derek, that'd be awful.

            The news is quite annoying, yesterday, all day, the breaking news was that the pilots didn't leave suicide notes. It annoyed me because when I see breaking news, I expect breaking news, not previously reported news. It made me realise how incredibly annoyed that must make the poor people waiting for news on loved ones.

            Like you say, this is the most baffling mystery I've seen too.
            Quite a few people here including myself went to the World Internet Summit held in Singapore in 2007. I suspect many would have flown there by Malaysian Airlines. I saw quite a few warriors here including Kevin Riley and Dr. Mani.
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            • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
              Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

              Quite a few people here including myself went to the World Internet Summit held in Singapore in 2007. I suspect many would have flown there by Malaysian Airlines. I saw quite a few warriors here including Kevin Riley and Dr. Mani.
              It makes you wonder how this tragic event is going to impact on the Malaysia Airlines brand? I suppose this type of occurrence could have easily happened to any of the major carriers but we now have the Flight MH370 incident burned in to our memories.

              Malaysia Airlines have been ranked in the World's Top 10 Airlines before but after this PR disaster, the regaining of that ranking now seems increasingly unlikely.
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  • Profile picture of the author popstocks
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    Does the black box last for years? I know the pinging device I only 30 days or so. But if this plane is lost for say 10+ years and they do find it by accident one day can they still use the blackbox to find out what happened?

    I can't see them finding this any time soon now. They have no idea where to even look. The search area is too large.

    How sad for the relatives.
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  • Profile picture of the author popstocks
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    oh dear......closet man really puts an effort I here.

    I didn't make any stories up about worm hole, secret islands or alien abduction theories up yet you feel compelled to spend all that time posting that? And it's been what 10 days.....Not like started with my "thinking" 6 hours after it went missing.

    Go and drool over some actors pictures or whatever else you do..

    Some weird people on this forum.

    Riddance.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by popstocks View Post

      oh dear......closet man really puts an effort I here.

      I didn't make any stories up about worm hole, secret islands or alien abduction theories up yet you feel compelled to spend all that time posting that? And it's been what 10 days.....Not like started with my "thinking" 6 hours after it went missing.

      Go and drool over some actors pictures or whatever else you do..

      Some weird people on this forum.

      Riddance.

      I'll take that as a "I can't find anything I accused you of but I don't know how to apologise". Never mind but the fact you wrongly accuse me and instead of apologising lower yourself to nancy level name calling explains why you're making enemies quickly.

      Thanks though, you showed yourself up nicely there and you appear to have done it again....

      Seeing as you like playing the I can't read game, go and be clever and find anywhere that proves your next accusation.

      I didn't make any stories up about worm hole, secret islands or alien abduction theories up yet you feel compelled to spend all that time posting that?
      When did I do that then? I think the problem is, you appear to be merging everyone's posts together and forgetting who posted what. Deary me, have a break from your screen and go and run around the garden a few times until you feel a bit better.
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      Originally Posted by popstocks View Post

      oh dear......closet man really puts an effort I here.
      Go and drool over some actors pictures or whatever else you do..
      You tool.

      Richard wasn't the one who started the thread you're referring to, in fact if you read the post he did make in that thread, you'd see if he drools over posters of anyone it's members of the opposite sex.

      You're making quite a habit of totally misreading anything and everything that's posted on here.

      Riddance.
      Back at ya.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    The black box is a VERY old concept. It probably STILL uses VERY old technology. There ARE a number of disadvantages, that the blackbox probably gets rid of, but it has some ADVANTAGES! Among them is the ability to last a LONG time(Like potentially decades), and survive partial destruction.

    Flight data recorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    The sudden turn back has been confirmed by Thailand as well.

    Thailand Gives Radar Data 10 Days After Plane Lost - ABC News
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  • Profile picture of the author bodyrock
    What I can't understand is why there is an option to turn off the communication with the air traffic control from the plane? In case the pilots need to take a nap or what? I don't think such a switch/switches should exist on the plane in the first place.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by bodyrock View Post

      What I can't understand is why there is an option to turn off the communication with the air traffic control from the plane? In case the pilots need to take a nap or what? I don't think such a switch/switches should exist on the plane in the first place.
      YOU *****HAVE***** to be able to "turn off communication" with the ATC, which is why it is the DEFAULT! How could they keep track of a few hundred aircraft talking all at once?

      NOW as for the pings, and transponder, THAT is with radar systems(to tag aircraft), and computers and apparently happens by default several times a second. And the pilots(as defined as people there to handle problems with the aircraft's routing) don't need to be awake, though one would hope at least two ARE!

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by bodyrock View Post

      What I can't understand is why there is an option to turn off the communication with the air traffic control from the plane? In case the pilots need to take a nap or what? I don't think such a switch/switches should exist on the plane in the first place.
      Here's a quote from an article written by another pilot on what HIS theory is:

      For me, the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire. And there most likely was an electrical fire. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one. If they pulled the busses, the plane would go silent. It probably was a serious event and the flight crew was occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate is the mantra in such situations.
      Here's the rest of the article (interesting viewpoint and theory):

      A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet | Autopia | Wired.com
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        Here's a quote from an article written by another pilot on what HIS theory is:
        For me, the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire. And there most likely was an electrical fire. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one. If they pulled the busses, the plane would go silent. It probably was a serious event and the flight crew was occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate is the mantra in such situations.
        WHAT THE!!!!!!! Pulling fuses won't stop a fire anyway! Electrical fires are called electrical fires because that is how they were started.

        Many homes, for whatever reason, are poorly marked, and so people start flipping switches. But an aircraft like a 777 should have a well documented manual, and at least the basics, like fuses, should be on board at all times. And fuses, or circuit breakers, are generally rated for a bit below the capacity of the circuit. The whole point is to detect a load above that and, if it occurs, disconnect the circuit to PREVENT a fire. Of course a fuse or breaker could be damaged or out of spec, but still, they should do the non important ones first. If the radio works, they can exclude THAT circuit. If instrumentation works, they can exclude THAT one, etc...

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        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          WHAT THE!!!!!!! Pulling fuses won't stop a fire anyway! Electrical fires are called electrical fires because that is how they were started.

          Many homes, for whatever reason, are poorly marked, and so people start flipping switches. But an aircraft like a 777 should have a well documented manual, and at least the basics, like fuses, should be on board at all times. And fuses, or circuit breakers, are generally rated for a bit below the capacity of the circuit. The whole point is to detect a load above that and, if it occurs, disconnect the circuit to PREVENT a fire. Of course a fuse or breaker could be damaged or out of spec, but still, they should do the non important ones first. If the radio works, they can exclude THAT circuit. If instrumentation works, they can exclude THAT one, etc...

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          My first job was an aviation electrician in the Navy. If you read the article, the author didn't suspect an electrical fire. But in any case, pulling breakers isn't meant so much to put out a fire as it is to isolate it and perhaps stop it from spreading. You're sitting in a cockpit with alarms blaring. Pulling breakers is standard operating procedure.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

            My first job was an aviation electrician in the Navy. If you read the article, the author didn't suspect an electrical fire. But in any case, pulling breakers isn't meant so much to put out a fire as it is to isolate it and perhaps stop it from spreading. You're sitting in a cockpit with alarms blaring. Pulling breakers is standard operating procedure.
            Well, I don't know how long ago you were working on planes, etc... At one point, I don't imagine it was that bad but NOW? Fly by wire, maybe computer assist, GPS, "instrumentation", etc....? Are you serious? I mean I know it is pushing the limits, and maybe it is different now, but I heard the stealth bomber had 4 computers and needed THREE to be stable! Pull the wrong breaker, and you might as well eject.

            Why do something so haphazard, especially when you are in the air and may rely on something that may take over a minute to be restored if it is disabled?

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            • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
              Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

              Here's a quote from an article written by another pilot on what HIS theory is:

              Here's the rest of the article (interesting viewpoint and theory):

              A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet | Autopia | Wired.com
              There was an eyewitness from an oil rig worker who claimed to have seen the plane burning.

              Oil Rig Worker: 'I Saw the Malaysia Airlines Plane Come Down'

              Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

              Sadly enough, I'm not quite as confident as you here. Every extra day searching tends to diminish the likelihood of finding the missing aircraft.

              It has happened before - Beyond Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: 6 Other Planes That Disappeared (And Were Never Found)
              These events were either very old or involved few people. So that either the technology is very old or that the relevant authorities did not want to allocate too much resources for the search.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                dave147 -

                That scenario makes a lot of sense and is close to what I thought myself and what I heard an expert say might have happened when he was interviewed a few days ago.

                I think the conjecture has gone wild on this and the truth is likely much simpler than the stories being imagined.
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                Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

                There was an eyewitness from an oil rig worker who claimed to have seen the plane burning.
                How does a jetliner hover?

                There was no lateral movement, so it was either coming toward our location, stationary, or going away from our location," he writes.
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              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              Well, I don't know how long ago you were working on planes, etc... At one point, I don't imagine it was that bad but NOW? Fly by wire, maybe computer assist, GPS, "instrumentation", etc....? Are you serious? I mean I know it is pushing the limits, and maybe it is different now, but I heard the stealth bomber had 4 computers and needed THREE to be stable! Pull the wrong breaker, and you might as well eject.

              Why do something so haphazard, especially when you are in the air and may rely on something that may take over a minute to be restored if it is disabled?

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              Pilots are highly trained and react well under pressure (think Captain Sully...) and this particular pilot had some 18,000 hours. It's doubtful he'd start pulling breakers "willy-nilly". There are still breaker panels and they still pull them. Doesn't matter how many computers it takes, there are still analog devices, flammable hazards, etc. And they reuse components - when I worked on the P-3's from 83 - 86, they were already 20 year old aircraft and they were using components from 1940's aircraft. The Navy is very good at repurposing In fact, they STILL fly the P-3's. Dam good airplane.
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                Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                Pilots are highly trained and react well under pressure (think Captain Sully...) and this particular pilot had some 18,000 hours.
                I just now finished watching a documentary on PBS saying commercial pilots aren't trained very well for emergency situations because they don't get much experience when jets have so many automated flight systems. Flight simulators can't roll like a real plane, simulators have a max. range of 5-10 ft of movement.

                I watched the documentary on TV, this is the same show here.
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  I just now finished watching a documentary on PBS saying commercial pilots aren't trained very well for emergency situations because they don't get much experience when jets have so many automated flight systems. Flight simulators can't roll like a real plane, simulators have a max. range of 5-10 ft of movement.

                  I watched the documentary on TV, I think this is the same show here.
                  Ain't that something? Makes you not want to fly

                  I would still think that a pilot with over 18,000 hours would have some experience in emergency situations - or at the very least, more simulator practice time.

                  Oh crap - I'm flying this weekend!
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                  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
                    Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                    Ain't that something? Makes you not want to fly .......

                    Oh crap - I'm flying this weekend!
                    Pack a can of mace. It may come in handy with all the hijackers on flights these days.
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                    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                      Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

                      Pack a can of mace. It may come in handy with all the hijackers on flights these days.
                      It better be less than 3oz in the US! It is likely forbidden. You could get in trouble.

                      Just saying!

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                        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                        It better be less than 3oz in the US! It is likely forbidden. You could get in trouble.

                        Just saying!

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                        Reminds me of a story I recently read or heard.

                        A woman wanted to bring a bottle of water on the plane, so she froze it. When they said she couldn't bring liquid (over the ounce limit) she responded with "But it's not a liquid. It's a solid".

                        Funny. Probably not even true, but funny anyway.
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                        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                          Reminds me of a story I recently read or heard.

                          A woman wanted to bring a bottle of water on the plane, so she froze it. When they said she couldn't bring liquid (over the ounce limit) she responded with "But it's not a liquid. It's a solid".

                          Funny. Probably not even true, but funny anyway.
                          Well, I actually DID think of that, but if there is a delay, you may have an ounce or something of liquid, and they may refuse on THAT!

                          You REALLY have to wonder what goes through their minds! You can demonstrate how it is factory sealed. You can drink it in front of them, and THEY DON'T CARE! They can offer to throw it out and, before it hits the trash, a guy goes through with HUNDREDS of similar drinks, or maybe a pack of C4 capable of blowing up the whole airport. And I can think of SO many ways to defeat it.

                          Still, they don't act like they can think for themselves.

                          BTW TRUE STORY! I once went through with a coke, was caught, and had to throw it out. A woman right after me had a large suitcase FULL of cosmetics, many LIQUID, and was let through!

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                            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                            I once went through with a coke, was caught, and had to throw it out.
                            That's because the airlines want you to pay their over-inflated prices for refreshments on the flight. Be reasonable now!

                            And in other news: Missing Plane Most Likely In Southern Indian Ocean: Reuters Source

                            Now it's in my part of the world. I will keep my eyes open for signs.
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                              Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

                              That's because the airlines want you to pay their over-inflated prices for refreshments on the flight. Be reasonable now!

                              And in other news: Missing Plane Most Likely In Southern Indian Ocean: Reuters Source

                              Now it's in my part of the world. I will keep my eyes open for signs.
                              ACTUALLY, non alcoholic drinks ARE free on at least domestic flights. HECK, alcoholic drinks are free in first class!!!! So ACTUALLY, this COSTS the airline! It may be less than $0.25/person, but it is still a cost. You CAN buy drinks at vending machines, or concessions, but that tends to help the airport and not the airline.
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                                Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                                ACTUALLY, non alcoholic drinks ARE free on at least domestic flights. HECK, alcoholic drinks are free in first class!!!! So ACTUALLY, this COSTS the airline! It may be less than $0.25/person, but it is still a cost. You CAN buy drinks at vending machines, or concessions, but that tends to help the airport and not the airline.
                                Lucky you! No free drinks, besides water, on the flights I've been taking. I must be booking with the wrong airline!
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                                  Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

                                  Lucky you! No free drinks, besides water, on the flights I've been taking. I must be booking with the wrong airline!
                                  Maybe australia is different. HEY, some of my flights have had 200% taxes!!!!!!! YOU READ RIGHT! A $100 flight could cost me OVER $300! INCREDIBLE!

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                    Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                    Ain't that something? Makes you not want to fly

                    I would still think that a pilot with over 18,000 hours would have some experience in emergency situations - or at the very least, more simulator practice time.

                    Oh crap - I'm flying this weekend!
                    Makes me wonder how Six Flags can make a roller coaster go upside down but the FAA can't get a flight simulator to roll.
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                      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                      Makes me wonder how Six Flags can make a roller coaster go upside down ...
                      Six Flags? Weren't they the ones who were chopping people's legs off through faulty rides construction?

                      No flight simulators are perfect but the advance in technology has lead to the development of some pretty good ones, that I've seen!
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                      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                        Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

                        Six Flags? Weren't they the ones who were chopping people's legs off through faulty rides construction?

                        No flight simulators are perfect but the advance in technology has lead to the development of some pretty good ones, that I've seen!
                        YEAH! I have seen some that are REMARKABLE! But they probably cost a LOT!!!!!!

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                        Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

                        Six Flags? Weren't they the ones who were chopping people's legs off through faulty rides construction?
                        WARNING!
                        Hands & feet must remain inside ride at all times.
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                        • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
                          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                          WARNING!
                          Hands & feet must remain inside ride at all times.
                          Perhaps I underestimated there?
                          Ride maker: Six Flags caused fatal accident | Dallas Morning News

                          I JUST WANT THE MISSING PLANE TO BE FOUND!!! ('nuff said)
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Anyway, assuming that pilot is correct, the plane is in hostile territory, or crashed. Actually, I guess THAT scenario means it CRASHED because, had it not, they likely would have restored the circuits and maybe gotten a message out. All it does is give the pilots family a way to save face maybe.

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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Anyway, assuming that pilot is correct, the plane is in hostile territory, or crashed. Actually, I guess THAT scenario means it CRASHED because, had it not, they likely would have restored the circuits and maybe gotten a message out. All it does is give the pilots family a way to save face maybe.

      Steve
      The author believes they were overcome by smoke and the plane flew on autopilot until it ran out of fuel. And crashed in to the ocean.

      At this point who knows. But the "news" talking heads need SOMETHING to talk about. Hijackings and suicidal pilots make for better ratings. And we ALL love a good conspiracy
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    One reason why the electrical fire and Langkawi airport theory was thought to be unlikely was that the change in course was thought to be due to computer pre-programming rather than manual control. But the Malaysian authorities kept on changing their story that is is hard to know whether that was true or not. I think they should certainly give more credence to that eyewitness account.

    Some Chinese relatives are threatening to go on hungerstrike because they are dissatisfied how Malaysia has handled the affair.

    Chinese relatives threaten hunger strike over missing Malaysian plane | Al Jazeera America
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      One reason why the electrical fire and Langkawi airport theory was thought to be unlikely was that the change in course was thought to be due to computer pre-programming rather than manual control. But the Malaysian authorities kept on changing their story that is is hard to know whether that was true or not. I think they should certainly give more credence to that eyewitness account.

      Some Chinese relatives are threatening to go on hungerstrike because they are dissatisfied how Malaysia has handled the affair.

      Chinese relatives threaten hunger strike over missing Malaysian plane | Al Jazeera America
      If I read the article correctly, the course would have been changed by the pilot to head for the airfield, which means he either did it manually or reprogrammed the autopilot. Either way, it's as viable a reason/scenario as anything else being "reported".

      And I'd be dissatisfied too.
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      • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        If I read the article correctly, the course would have been changed by the pilot to head for the airfield, which means he either did it manually or reprogrammed the autopilot. Either way, it's as viable a reason/scenario as anything else being "reported".

        And I'd be dissatisfied too.
        The reasoning was that in an emergency, you cannot spend time on programming the on board computer. Here is a list of 10 possible scenarios where no. 5 concerns the electrical fire and Langkawi theory.

        BBC News - Missing Malaysia plane: 10 theories examined

        Also here, again you have to trust the data from Malaysia

        http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/18/wo...html?hpt=hp_t1

        A law enforcement official told CNN Tuesday that the aircraft's first turn to the west was almost certainly programmed by somebody in the cockpit. The official, who has been briefed on the investigation, said the programmed change in direction was entered at least 12 minutes before the plane's co-pilot signed off to air traffic controllers, telling them, "All right, good night."
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          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          The reasoning was that in an emergency, you cannot spend time on programming the on board computer. Here is a list of 10 possible scenarios where no. 5 concerns the electrical fire and Langkawi theory.

          BBC News - Missing Malaysia plane: 10 theories examined
          Number 5. Yup, just as likely a scenario as anything

          And I also think I read that the author suspected a tire caught fire after take off (not an electrical fire). He explained how that could happen and it's more common than we realize.

          You're right about the reprogramming. But part of the theory was that they weren't sure the severity of the issue. They were getting alarms but not much smoke at that point. So conceivably, reprogramming the computer could have been done, at that point more as a precaution than an emergency.

          In any case, this is certainly intriguing.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Just saw something very interesting - of course, not from the news in the US.

    Hyderabad techie uploads satellite image of missing plane on CNN site | Veooz 360

    Would like to know more about this. It looks a hella lot more real than "we just lost a plane".
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Just saw something very interesting - of course, not from the news in the US.

      Hyderabad techie uploads satellite image of missing plane on CNN site | Veooz 360

      Would like to know more about this. It looks a hella lot more real than "we just lost a plane".
      Yeah, NOW who can find the ARTICLE!!!!!!

      http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...cle5804373.ece

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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Yeah, NOW who can find the ARTICLE!!!!!!

        http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...cle5804373.ece

        Steve
        Found one. It's down because it was debunked. Right area - wrong year.
        Indian techie finds satellite image of plane | Free Malaysia Today

        This one says that there's another pic right area and time, but the plane is the wrong color. It still correlates to the date/time/area, though.

        You understand if there had been another plane and the whole thing is a hoax for some reason, that nobody is ever going to get a real story. Right now I think that real or not, it's being used to divert attention from the US/Russia clash. I feel extremely sorry for the people on the flight and the families at any rate no matter what is going on, but I think it's pretty important to putting our attention to stopping WWIII instead of worrying about it right now. There are people looking for the flight on a global scale that can do much more in the search than most of us can.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Found one. It's down because it was debunked. Right area - wrong year.
          Indian techie finds satellite image of plane | Free Malaysia Today

          This one says that there's another pic right area and time, but the plane is the wrong color. It still correlates to the date/time/area, though.

          You understand if there had been another plane and the whole thing is a hoax for some reason, that nobody is ever going to get a real story. Right now I think that real or not, it's being used to divert attention from the US/Russia clash. I feel extremely sorry for the people on the flight and the families at any rate no matter what is going on, but I think it's pretty important to putting our attention to stopping WWIII instead of worrying about it right now. There are people looking for the flight on a global scale that can do much more in the search than most of us can.
          OK, I am suspicious! 1, The color! WHY!?!?!? 2. The engines are HUGE and stick out! I would think that even at THAT scale you could see them. Why don't I?

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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              What's interesting is the media is now onto "how the search for more parts and for the plane will be conducted once the debris is recovered" ....and they have no idea if this is plane debris or not.

              Just heard a fellow on CNN say "we need fleets of search planes and only the US can make that happen". Yesterday a caller asked "when will the US take over the search?".

              It's not our airline - not our plane - geez.

              Maybe I'm crazy - but wouldn't it be wise to find the "debris" and see what it is (or what it isn't) before conjecturing further?

              it's being used to divert attention from the US/Russia clash
              Oh yeah but "Clash" infers two strong participants - not the case here.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
    News to hand: Plane wreckage thought to have been found South West of Australian mainland. Satellite images have detected large objects that look like possible aircraft debris.

    Could this be it?

    TWO large objects identified by satellite in the Indian Ocean off Perth may be related to missing Flight MH370 and are “possible indications of debris”.

    Describing the “credible sightings” as the best lead investigators currently have, Australian Maritime Safety Authority general manager John Young said the objects were “relatively indistinct on imagery”.
    One was about 24-metres long, approximately double the length of a standard shipping container, while the other one was smaller.

    “Those who are experts indicate they are credible sightings,” Mr Young told a press conference in Canberra this afternoon. “The indication to me is of objects that are of reasonable size and awash with water, bobbing up and down on the surface.”
    Possible wreckage spotted in search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, RAAF plane on its way to identify objects
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I just watched a video where they tried to find the answer.

    1. Suicide? NOPE! WHY turn off the transponder!?!?!?
    2. Electrical failure? NOPE! Radio and transponder are on separate circuits.
    3. Damaged radio? Apparently the plane should then list its transponder code(SETTABLE by the way) as 7600.
    4. General mayday? Well they could say mayday, or change the code to 7700.
    5. HIJACKING? They SHOULD change the code to 7500, but WHY would a hijacker let them? HIJACKING is ALSO consistent with all including descent below 5000ft.

    I wasn't sure about the setting, but removing an off switch really wouldn't help. To disable the ability to destroy it would remove functionality that they are being taught to rely on as a backup!!!!!

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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    UPDATE:

    I think u guys in teh US are asleep, but just watched news here, and apparently here in Australia about 1300 km off our west coast of perth, they have found large debri floating somewhere out there in teh middle of the ocean.

    Its been reported and now they are going out looking for this debris as u reade this. Not sure if it is part of the missing plane, but any news is always good. Hopefully prayers are being answered here and the plane is found, so families, loved ones and friends can get the closure they definatly deserve.

    This is still a major mystery that is for sure.
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