I just started as an electrician today

10 years ago

Yeah, CRAZY huh!?!!??

In the US I don't even think you can wire another persons place in any material way unless supervised, or you have a license! It is ALSO a good idea to be employed or have a bond. And WATCH WELDERS AND FRAMERS! Some of them are CARELESS and may not make your work any easier.

As for HELP? For SEO it could be a brief 1-2 dozen pages MAYBE.(Between how the engines work, HTML, CSS, gotchas with client side code, forum methods, "social networks", etc...) For electricians, a bit more. Don't worry, I think you are safe from most people HERE.

On a related note, I recently watched a "to catch a contractor" episode. Basically, they find people that hired home contractors, and were cheated. They then track down the main contractor and give them three choices:

1. DO THE WORK!!!!!!!!!!
2. BUY your way out by paying every penny!
3. We'll pull everything together and help your customer sue your pants off.

I watched an episode where they were hired to fix a bathroom and kitchen that were under maybe 2" of SEWAGE. The contractor took the old soaked cabinets out, took the bathroom fixtures out, retiled, ripped it up, retiled again, brought the cabinets back in, and LEFT! The family suffered from poisoning from the open sewage lines, and pests from the contaminated cabinets.

Luckily, they ended up happy.

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

In the US I don't even think you can wire another persons place in any material way unless supervised, or you have a license!

Last I heard from a licensed electrician, you can run wire in a home (paid helper) but it has to be inspected & you can't make the connection at the power box. Basically doing all the grunt work.

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Electrical

10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Last I heard from a licensed electrician, you can run wire in a home (paid helper) but it has to be inspected & you can't make the connection at the power box. Basically doing all the grunt work.

It depends on the state. In NJ, only the owner of the company needs a license, everyone else in the company can be a laborer off the street corner and do any electrical work they want.

In New England states, all employees must be either registered apprentices or licensed journeymen and there is even ratios of how many apprentices can be on a job per journeyman.

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adeaugustus

10 years ago

If you don't know how, better not apply for the job, it's a dent on your reputation at long run. For the SEO guys, I believe some do outsource the job to "professionals" with cheaper price tag. #Justmythought.

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Frank Donovan

10 years ago

Er...guys? The OP was using the electrician example to illustrate the absurdity of certain "I've got this client" threads. Notice the winking emoticon?

@Electrical. Don't you know you can just outsource it to Fiverr?

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David Braybrooke

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Er...guys? The OP was using the electrician example to illustrate the absurdity of certain "I've got this client" threads. Notice the winking emoticon?

@Electrical. Don't you know you can just outsource it to Fiverr?

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It's rolleyes emoticon, not winking! :rolleyes: not

To the OP, just don't cut the red wire! It always ends badly in the movies when they cut the red wire. Happy to help out here!

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Frank Donovan 10 years ago

Originally Posted by David Braybrooke

It's rolleyes emoticon, not winking! :rolleyes: not

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Electrical

I just started as an electrician today. Tomorrow I have to do work at my first customer's house.

Can anyone tell me how to wire a circuit?

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:rolleyes:

I keep seeing these first day SEO professionals asking the forum how to do SEO work for their first customer that they already sold the job to under the guise that they knew what they were doing. This is crazy.

Trust me, your not the only one that gets tired of those types of threads. It gets nasty sometimes when people start calling those guys out (SEO sellers that don't know the basics). Still, I try to help people that ask legit questions about SEO.

If it's a question like what is a backlink & they have SEO services listed in their forum sig. or profile name, they're history. Keep in mind it's impossible for mods to find every spam/BS thread. If you find something that doesn't look right, report it.

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HeySal

10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Trust me, your not the only one that gets tired of those types of threads. It gets nasty sometimes when people start calling those guys out (SEO sellers that don't know the basics). Still, I try to help people that ask legit questions about SEO.

If it's a question like what is a backlink & they have SEO services listed in their forum sig. or profile name, they're history. Keep in mind it's impossible for mods to find every spam/BS thread. If you find something that doesn't look right, report it.

I dunno. I find it hilarious when people are stupid enough to claim expertise in their sig and then ask questions that anyone with remedial knowledge in the field would know. I'm not sure how those people think that is helping them, but it is certainly not a way to show you have the mentality to have your own business going. At all. I do find it an easy means of figuring out who not to do business with, though. Even a well-educated electrician can be color blind, if you get my drift.

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seasoned

10 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I dunno. I find it hilarious when people are stupid enough to claim expertise in their sig and then ask questions that anyone with remedial knowledge in the field would know. I'm not sure how those people think that is helping them, but it is certainly not a way to show you have the mentality to have your own business going. At all. I do find it an easy means of figuring out who not to do business with, though. Even a well-educated electrician can be color blind, if you get my drift.

I have seen it a LOT though.

And Yeah, if you are working with electricity, you do NOT want to be color blind. Even if you hook EVERYTHING up correctly, you can switch wires and make future electricians have problems, etc... I'm sure it happens though.

Steve

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SolAdoni

Banned 10 years ago

The op is a troll

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AprilCT

10 years ago

Originally Posted by SolAdoni

The op is a troll

I didn't read it that the OP was a troll. He was just stating that he sees people asking for help to do something they were supposed to already know because now they have a purchaser that wants a service.

I can state that I have seen this type of thing actually taught by others a long time ago here on WF that it's okay to sell something you have no idea how to do, but once you sell it, you go find someone else who can do whatever and collect a profit.

Definitely scarey and screwy way to do business.

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nettiapina

10 years ago

Originally Posted by AprilCT

I can state that I have seen this type of thing actually taught by others a long time ago here on WF that it's okay to sell something you have no idea how to do, but once you sell it, you go find someone else who can do whatever and collect a profit.

There's several people teaching this "act as a middle man" act here right now. There's even a piece of software to spam Craigslist job offers first to get the gig to outsource it to Fiverr.

One of these authors linked to four Fiverr "SEO" gigs as an example of good ways to outsource. I guess I don't have to tell how bad those were.

More to the topic: there's a recent thread for guy asking help to explain the SEO reports he was presenting to his client. The client had asked a very basic question about them. You'd think that he would read the manual of the software he's using, or google a bit to not make a complete fool of himself. In my experience you always need to know your stuff well enough to explain it to a person with no background information.

I don't mind helping SEOs if I can. However, I do get angry and frustrated when it seems that a hustler is taking advantage of an entrepreneur.

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seasoned

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nettiapina

There's several people teaching this "act as a middle man" act here right now. There's even a piece of software to spam Craigslist job offers first to get the gig to outsource it to Fiverr.

One of these authors linked to four Fiverr "SEO" gigs as an example of good ways to outsource. I guess I don't have to tell how bad those were.

More to the topic: there's a recent thread for guy asking help to explain the SEO reports he was presenting to his client. The client had asked a very basic question about them. You'd think that he would read the manual of the software he's using, or google a bit to not make a complete fool of himself. In my experience you always need to know your stuff well enough to explain it to a person with no background information.

I don't mind helping SEOs if I can. However, I do get angry and frustrated when it seems that a hustler is taking advantage of an entrepreneur.

I HATE "middle men" that know almost NOTHING about something, and try to bluff. If they are between the customer and me, I almost always end up paying for it. If I am the customer, it ends up being a SCAM! ven if I DO get it to do what I wanted, it is almost always inferior to what I otherwise would have gotten.

Steve

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SolAdoni

Banned 10 years ago

Stand in water
Touch all the wires

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SteveJohnson

10 years ago

Here's an introductory vid if you need it:

Big Capacitor Safety - YouTube

I just love these guys - they like to make messes and blow shit up

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seasoned

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

I am saddened that people are actually discussing the ramifications of unqualified electricians.

Heaven help us all.

I hope you realized, I DID know he used his job(or a job he COULD have) s a leadin to talk about SEOs. I never thought he was actually worried. GEE, some people take me too seriously sometimes and think I didn't get the point.

Now if he is a TROLL, that is ANOTHER thing. Going by only the info here, it is almost a year old and less than 50 posts with no sigs and a couple thanks.

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Electrical

10 years ago

I'm not a troll. I have been trolled many times today by the guy who called me a troll in this thread (who is now banned). I'm just an electrician looking to better his website. This thread was made as a joke.

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seasoned

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Electrical

I'm not a troll. I have been trolled many times today by the guy who called me a troll in this thread (who is now banned). I'm just an electrician looking to better his website. This thread was made as a joke.

AGAIN, I wasn't calling you a troll, and pointing out reasons why I doubted it. Many trolls have a history, or just signed up, or want to draw attention to the sig.

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Electrical

10 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

AGAIN, I wasn't calling you a troll, and pointing out reasons why I doubted it. Many trolls have a history, or just signed up, or want to draw attention to the sig.

Steve

I know you didn't call me one. I said the guy who called me one got banned.

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SteveJohnson

10 years ago

Nothing wrong with acting like a true middle-man -- a broker -- who puts a buyer together with a seller.

But it's just plain dishonest to represent yourself as the one doing the service and then farm it out to someone else.

Just my opinion, of course.

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