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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
    Glenn is a disinformation shill.

    His job is to point his audience in any direction but the one they should be paying attention to.

    Interesting to note how much "help" (media coverage) he receives and from whom.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy View Post

      Glenn is a disinformation shill.

      His job is to point his audience in any direction but the one they should be paying attention to.

      Interesting to note how much "help" (media coverage) he receives and from whom.
      That MIGHT be believable if it weren't for the fact that so many others are looking elsewhere and they ARE paid in many ways.

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy View Post

      Glenn is a disinformation shill.

      His job is to point his audience in any direction but the one they should be paying attention to.

      Interesting to note how much "help" (media coverage) he receives and from whom.
      I don't follow him. Whether he's right or wrong on any given issue, his theatrics are more than I can stomach.

      It is worthy of note though that he's turning people's attentions toward victims rather than toward national security agencies that care more about squeezing women's tits at airports than deporting people known to have terrorist links.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
        Sal,

        I don't follow Glenn either.

        The whole TSA thing is meant to desensitize us to physical molestation and abuse.

        Do you think it's working?


        Seasoned: You've got to do your homework, son. I can't do it for you.

        You've got far more resources available to you today, than I did some 50 years ago
        when I started looking under rocks for answers.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy View Post

          Sal,

          I don't follow Glenn either.

          The whole TSA thing is meant to desensitize us to physical molestation and abuse.

          Do you think it's working?


          Seasoned: You've got to do your homework, son. I can't do it for you.

          You've got far more resources available to you today, than I did some 50 years ago
          when I started looking under rocks for answers.
          Is it working? I think that most Americans are so fluoridated, pharmed, and brainwashed that it's not even worth considering what they hell they think and notice or don't.
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          • Profile picture of the author lcombs
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            Is it working? I think that most Americans are so fluoridated, pharmed, and brainwashed that it's not even worth considering what they hell they think and notice or don't.
            One thing that puzzles me is how people choose their news/information sources.
            When I hear someone talk about the "liberal media" all I can think is, they believe that because the "conservative media" told them.

            We get 100% of our information from the media.

            We believe the ones who agree with us.
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            • Profile picture of the author HeySal
              Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

              One thing that puzzles me is how people choose their news/information sources.
              When I hear someone talk about the "liberal media" all I can think is, they believe that because the "conservative media" told them.

              We get 100% of our information from the media.

              We believe the ones who agree with us.
              Yeah - the mainstream media is conglomerate - owned by 6 corporations. What they sell as news depends on who owns the company. There's a lot of ways of getting your info outside of the media, though. Unfortunately - that's another thing that schools don't teach kids to do. Very few people know how to do any real research. Guess this is one for the "subjects that should be taught mandatorily in school" thread.
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              • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
                Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                <snip> Guess this is one for the "subjects that should be taught mandatorily in school" thread.
                It would be more efficient for parents to show their kids than waiting for schools to teach it. Schools lessons are taught by individuals who, if they're not completely corrupted or brainwashed, are also in shackles regarding what they're allowed to teach or say. If my own personal experience is anything to go by, kids themselves will one way or another get punished for asking too many questions. That is why I decided to go ahead and discuss Niccolò Machiavelli's "The Prince" with my 3-year-old son after he repeatedly insisted that I tell him what I was reading. It is best to learn young how to deal with authority.
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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

                  It would be more efficient for parents to show their kids than waiting for schools to teach it. Schools lessons are taught by individuals who, if they're not completely corrupted or brainwashed, are also in shackles regarding what they're allowed to teach or say. If my own personal experience is anything to go by, kids themselves will one way or another get punished for asking too many questions. That is why I decided to go ahead and discuss Niccolò Machiavelli's "The Prince" with my 3-year-old son after he repeatedly insisted that I tell him what I was reading. It is best to learn young how to deal with authority.
                  Still, if someone says 1000+1+2=1+2, or you hear of a war, and suddenly all say no such war exists, etc.... you would hope one would investigate! And to say two groups switch their platforms without a whimper or name change? COME ON! HECK, can you imagine the confusion in the next election? You would have to state WHAT version of the name you were under to make sure you got the right ballot, etc...

                  I LOVE how one platform says: "we contrast (us) with ... which seeks to palsy the will of the constituent, and which conceives no imposture too monstrous for the popular credulity."

                  YIKES! ICSM!

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                • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                  Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

                  It would be more efficient for parents to show their kids than waiting for schools to teach it. Schools lessons are taught by individuals who, if they're not completely corrupted or brainwashed, are also in shackles regarding what they're allowed to teach or say. If my own personal experience is anything to go by, kids themselves will one way or another get punished for asking too many questions. That is why I decided to go ahead and discuss Niccolò Machiavelli's "The Prince" with my 3-year-old son after he repeatedly insisted that I tell him what I was reading. It is best to learn young how to deal with authority.
                  No doubt, TB. If you're going to have kids, you should be ready to do a lot of educating. The "let the schools do it" attitude was around when I was a kid. It's not new. My father was a school administrator and I got to overhear his conversations with parents that would call him. You know the way I can rag on someone who gets me cranked up? Guess where I learned it? LOL. It would turn you colors to hear what some people think that the schools are responsible for while thinking they share none of it. Squirting out babies and dropping them off at institution doors are all one huge percent of people are capable of.
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                  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
                    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                    No doubt, TB. If you're going to have kids, you should be ready to do a lot of educating. The "let the schools do it" attitude was around when I was a kid. It's not new. My father was a school administrator and I got to overhear his conversations with parents that would call him. You know the way I can rag on someone who gets me cranked up? Guess where I learned it? LOL. It would turn you colors to hear what some people think that the schools are responsible for while thinking they share none of it. Squirting out babies and dropping them off at institution doors are all one huge percent of people are capable of.
                    That would be exactly how the ruling entities would want it. Speaking of how power works and institutional governance, here's an interesting but highly disturbing article:

                    Roy Reveals Corporate Tricks: How Corporations Run Society In India and Elsewhere
                    "In recent years, she has researched how the richest Indian corporations—such as Reliance, Tata, Essar, and Infosys—are employing similar tactics as those of the U.S.-based Rockefeller and Ford foundations.

                    She points out that the Rockefeller and Ford foundations have worked closely in the past with the State Department and Central Intelligence Agency to further U.S. government and corporate objectives.

                    Now, she maintains that Indian companies are distributing money through charitable foundations as a means of controlling the public agenda through what she calls "perception management".

                    This includes channelling funds to nongovernmental organizations, film and literary festivals, and universities.

                    She acknowledges that the Tata Group has been doing this for decades, but says that more recently, other large corporations have begun copying this approach."
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                    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

                      She acknowledges that the Tata Group has been doing this for decades, but says that more recently, other large corporations have begun copying this approach."
                      Well, TA TA EDUCATION!

                      Most of their employees are likely from india, and they are supposed to cover several areas. WHY would they hurt education? Oh well, I could ask that about the US TOO, though I KNOW why the UN would do it with the US.

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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                    No doubt, TB. If you're going to have kids, you should be ready to do a lot of educating. The "let the schools do it" attitude was around when I was a kid. It's not new. My father was a school administrator and I got to overhear his conversations with parents that would call him. You know the way I can rag on someone who gets me cranked up? Guess where I learned it? LOL. It would turn you colors to hear what some people think that the schools are responsible for while thinking they share none of it. Squirting out babies and dropping them off at institution doors are all one huge percent of people are capable of.
                    In all of my years going to school, I never had a single memorable teacher. Nothing but mediocre. My mother taught me to read and my father taught me math. Without that, I could have graduated from school just as illiterate as many students do.

                    So yes, parents have to educate their children after they complete their own jobs for 8 or more hours per day, make the family meal, clean the house and provide clean clothes. Then it's time for the parents to pick up the ball that the school system drops. If school administrators and teachers aren't primarily responsible for children's education, what the hell do they draw a salary for?

                    In a perfect world, everyone would be able to afford a superior private education and let all those mediocre teachers stand at the door of your local Walmart and greet people. I wonder how long they would last in a job that they couldn't pass most of it off to someone else while still getting paid.
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

              One thing that puzzles me is how people choose their news/information sources.
              When I hear someone talk about the "liberal media" all I can think is, they believe that because the "conservative media" told them.

              We get 100% of our information from the media.

              We believe the ones who agree with us.
              Have you LOOKED at MSNBC and RT lately? I don't believe it because they say so. It SOUNDS silly! NOPE, I believe because I see guys like chris matthews, rachell maddow, etc... And YEAH, I have listened to them on the radio AND watched them on TV. SOMETIMES they get it right. But they ARE clearly biased that way.

              BTW I NEVER believed Bill Press was liberal because I was told. I heard him. And Rush is pretty conservative. AGAIN, because I heard them.

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              • Profile picture of the author Pura Vida
                American's are fed more propaganda on a daily basis than pretty much any other country on the planet.

                It's all nice and legal now too...

                US ends ban on 'domestic propaganda' — RT USA

                Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                Have you LOOKED at MSNBC and RT lately? I don't believe it because they say so. It SOUNDS silly! NOPE, I believe because I see guys like chris matthews, rachell maddow, etc... And YEAH, I have listened to them on the radio AND watched them on TV. SOMETIMES they get it right. But they ARE clearly biased that way.

                BTW I NEVER believed Bill Press was liberal because I was told. I heard him. And Rush is pretty conservative. AGAIN, because I heard them.

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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
              Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

              One thing that puzzles me is how people choose their news/information sources.
              When I hear someone talk about the "liberal media" all I can think is, they believe that because the "conservative media" told them.

              We get 100% of our information from the media.

              We believe the ones who agree with us.
              ...or we don't particularly believe any of them.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                ...or we don't particularly believe any of them.
                Smartest answer. But most aren't like that. Most of us do choose someone to listen to, and believe.

                Glenn Beck is ...well...entertaining. I know people who actually believe what he says, and pay to hear him every day. Although these people are in the minority, there are plenty of people following someone.

                I keep thinking Glenn Beck is a persona, on air. Like Stephen Colbert.
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                • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  Smartest answer. But most aren't like that. Most of us do choose someone to listen to, and believe.

                  Glenn Beck is ...well...entertaining. I know people who actually believe what he says, and pay to hear him every day. Although these people are in the minority, there are plenty of people following someone.

                  I keep thinking Glenn Beck is a persona, on air. Like Stephen Colbert.
                  Except Colbert doesn't say stuff like...

                  "The president has a deep seated hatred for white people or white culture" and actually mean it.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                    Except Colbert doesn't say stuff like...

                    "The president has a deep seated hatred for white people or white culture" and actually mean it.
                    To be honest, I don't listen to Beck. I tried for an hour, and couldn't take it.

                    But I wonder if he really means what he says. Being outrageous is good theater.
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                    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      To be honest, I don't listen to Beck. I tried for an hour, and couldn't take it.

                      But I wonder if he really means what he says. Being outrageous is good theater.
                      He has said something to the effect of controversy has its own currency proving he's willing to say anything to get attention.

                      He may not mean half the crap he says but I bet his followers don't know that and don't look at him as entertainment.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                        He has said something to the effect of controversy has its own currency proving he's willing to say anything to get attention.

                        He may not mean half the crap he says but I bet his followers don't know that and don't look at him as entertainment.
                        It's the same with lots of talk show hosts, radio hosts, and even comedians like Jon Stewart.
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                        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          It's the same with lots of talk show hosts, radio hosts, and even comedians like Jon Stewart.

                          But IMHO race baiting is another story and beyond the pale.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                            But IMHO race baiting is another story and beyond the pale.
                            You are more sensitive to it than most. To me, stupidity is stupidity. Nonsensical statements are all the same. (at least in my view). No matter how ridiculous a thing someone says, there is always a group that will resonate with it. And there is always a group that takes it personally.


                            I like the quote "Be kind, for everyone is fighting a great battle". It really resonates with me.
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            • Profile picture of the author Pura Vida
              You avoid any media owned by any of these 6 companies...

              These 6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America - Business Insider

              The alternative media is taking over and the dinosaur media is disappearing.

              Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

              One thing that puzzles me is how people choose their news/information sources.
              When I hear someone talk about the "liberal media" all I can think is, they believe that because the "conservative media" told them.

              We get 100% of our information from the media.

              We believe the ones who agree with us.
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          • Profile picture of the author Pura Vida
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            Is it working? I think that most Americans are so fluoridated, pharmed, and brainwashed that it's not even worth considering what they hell they think and notice or don't.
            The barium and aluminum from all the chemtrails doesn't help either
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy View Post

          Seasoned: You've got to do your homework, son. I can't do it for you.

          You've got far more resources available to you today, than I did some 50 years ago
          when I started looking under rocks for answers.
          OK, OK! So you are saying that though they keep trying to point us in ANOTHER direction they have others encouraging us to look in OTHER directions to trip us up? It doesn't make sense.

          You are implying that the OTHERS are pointing in the RIGHT direction, so maybe YOU should look elsewhere.

          As for MY looking? Interestingly enough, a commercial on FOX pegged my BS meter! I followed IT to ANOTHER site, which pegged my BS meter! I followed THAT to their ABOUT page! I then found that the ad was one targeted to deceive the viewers into donating AGAINST themselves. I asked fox to be more careful, and showed them what I found. I haven't seen the ad again, so hopefully I did some good.

          Regarding GB, most stuff I see him say is good. I didn't bother to look this up to speak for it. If you think he is a pure shill, you should first look at that plank in your eye!

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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    The article doesn't mention that the US deported him back to Saudi Arabia for national security reasons after he got out of the hospital.

    U.S. ‘deporting Saudi person of interest’
    “That’s very interesting because this is the way things are done with Saudi Arabia. You don’t arrest their citizens. You deport them, because they don’t want them to be embarrassed and that’s the way we appease them.”


    Look back at 9/11. There were 19 hijackers and all were from Saudi Arabia. I think it's a given that they had more Saudis over here providing material support who were never arrested.

    To this day there are major lawsuits still making their way through the court system. Plaintiffs (not just crazy conspiracy theorists, but big insurance companies) are attempting to obtain secret documents detailing Saudi Arabia's involvement.

    Struggling to detail alleged Saudi role in 9/11 attacks - Philly.com
    "The 28 pages of the joint inquiry report are absolutely critical to the claims brought against Saudi Arabia," said Sean Carter, a Cozen partner who has managed much of the litigation for the firm. "Those pages contain details and findings concerning the possible direct involvement of Saudi government officials living in the United States in support of the 9/11 hijackers.



    Whether or not this kid was involved in Boston we may never know, but this lawsuit against Beck could be a shot across the bow of the media as a warning to not involve Saudis in future stories.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Suzanne - I am fully aware that raising children is a huge undertaking. It's also unfortunate that women have to work outside of the home to support the rugrats now. However - that's choice. You choose to have a kid if you already have a full load and you've made a decision to add to it. It's not society's job to raise your kid for you just because you choose to work. If you choose a full time career, is it a good thing to also have kids if you aren't going to have time for them?

    These are questions we all have to ask. Choices we all have to make.

    The school's main purpose is socialize kids - to teach skills and knowledge bases that will allow kids to function in our corporate society. They do that to an extent other than recent PC crap pulling their ability to do any teaching into the ditch. You can drop your kid off at a school and they will learn at least part of what they are taught. If you want a truly intelligent child, you do some of the work yourself. That's just the way it is.

    I was taught much at home - and we had one of the highest ranking school systems. We had a teacher that was probably the best in the country. Right now on our school FB page you can see a post about him. Post after post after post of how this man changed student's lives, by students who claim he was the driving force behind their success - even though many are not working in his field. Yet if you look further, you can see the parental and community influence behind those who lived in my town. Those who became successful had parents that put a lot into their kid's futures. Our parents organized and took us places - through historical sites, through factories, to zoos and botancial gardens. The schools taught us things - but it was the parents who brought it all to life for us.

    I'm sorry our economy went the way it did. Kids are full time jobs and people have to make the choice whether they can deal with them or not. I did that. I realized I wouldn't be able to give the kids what I was given and chose not to have any. At a later date if things had changed, I might have adopted, but it seems my choice was the right one. I've been able to open the world of rock and gem hunting to a few and it was extremely rewarding. Schools can teach geology - but they aren't able to bring it to life for the students. I learned a little botany from school, It was my mother who taught me to garden. I learned geography in school. It was my dad who taught me to find my way around and survival skills.

    Maybe, if money is a problem that keeps people working too many hours to raise kids they chose to have, they could cut some expenses? Maybe cable TV, a few other monthly electronic bills, fewer "designer status quos crap that really teaches kids nothing but consumerism?

    I can't buy the argument that parents are too busy for their kids. Most people knew they were busy already when they had the kids. Most people know if they're too financially strapped to afford kids. The argument that everyone needs to have kids just because they have reproductive organs is lost on me completely. I had the same choices everyone else did, and made what I felt was the most responsible choice rather than the one that was the most self gratifying.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Suzanne - I am fully aware that raising children is a huge undertaking. It's also unfortunate that women have to work outside of the home to support the rugrats now. However - that's choice. You choose to have a kid if you already have a full load and you've made a decision to add to it. It's not society's job to raise your kid for you just because you choose to work. If you choose a full time career, is it a good thing to also have kids if you aren't going to have time for them?

      ...

      I can't buy the argument that parents are too busy for their kids. Most people knew they were busy already when they had the kids. Most people know if they're too financially strapped to afford kids. The argument that everyone needs to have kids just because they have reproductive organs is lost on me completely. I had the same choices everyone else did, and made what I felt was the most responsible choice rather than the one that was the most self gratifying.
      I didn't make any argument that parents are too busy for their kids. The parents do the bulk of teaching their children. If that weren't so, the high school illiteracy rate would be far higher.

      If teachers are nothing but socializers, they should pay them even less than they are paid and call them socializers, because socializing is not a skilled profession that promises that children will learn to read, write, and do arithmetic along with English/other language skills, a bit about history, etc. That's not socializing.

      These people call themselves educators, and the bulk of educating is shirked off on parents, who already have jobs. To say that people with careers shouldn't have children unless they're rich enough for nannies or boarding schools ... well, that's BS. Many people juggle their families and careers quite well for the most part and children do not need parents with a boat load of cash to be happy, well adjusted people.

      If teachers don't think it's their job to teach, they should get a job that they think it is their job to do and let real teachers have the teaching positions. There are some teachers, although I didn't have any of them, who love to teach and do their jobs.

      The U.S. Illiteracy Rate Hasn't Changed In 10 Years

      U.S. Illiteracy Statistics Data
      Percent of U.S. adults who can't read 14 %
      Number of U.S. adults who can't read 32 Million
      Percent of U.S. adults who read below a 5th grade level 21 %
      Percent of prison inmates who can't read 63 %
      Percent of high school graduates who can't read 19 %

      Since there's 19% of high school graduates who can't read, obviously someone else is picking up the ball (hint: the parents).
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        I didn't make any argument that parents are too busy for their kids. The parents do the bulk of teaching their children. If that weren't so, the high school illiteracy rate would be far higher.
        I still remember the first grade. It was like I was the only one that read a sentence! EVERYONE was literate, it is simply that they didn't act like they knew what the sentence said until they read it aloud, and they read it slower. Of course that was DECADES ago. I don't think the earlier grades at the time would pass you if you couldn't read.

        I learned to read a couple years earlier.

        If teachers are nothing but socializers, they should pay them even less than they are paid and call them socializers, because socializing is not a skilled profession that promises that children will learn to read, write, and do arithmetic along with English/other language skills, a bit about history, etc. That's not socializing.

        These people call themselves educators, and the bulk of educating is shirked off on parents, who already have jobs. To say that people with careers shouldn't have children unless they're rich enough for nannies or boarding schools ... well, that's BS. Many people juggle their families and careers quite well for the most part and children do not need parents with a boat load of cash to be happy, well adjusted people.

        If teachers don't think it's their job to teach, they should get a job that they think it is their job to do and let real teachers have the teaching positions. There are some teachers, although I didn't have any of them, who love to teach and do their jobs.
        RIGHT!

        The U.S. Illiteracy Rate Hasn't Changed In 10 Years

        U.S. Illiteracy Statistics Data
        Percent of U.S. adults who can’t read 14 %
        Number of U.S. adults who can’t read 32 Million
        Percent of U.S. adults who read below a 5th grade level 21 %
        Percent of prison inmates who can’t read 63 %
        Percent of high school graduates who can’t read 19 %

        Since there's 19% of high school graduates who can't read, obviously someone else is picking up the ball (hint: the parents).
        That is APPALLING, but NOT surprising! I polled a few "teachers" that taught school around the 3rd grade. People in the 3rd grade SHOULD be able to read a decent amount. I asked this around 1993.

        They generally said that if they had an illiterate child, they would NOT try to teach him or her because they wouldn't want to put undue stress on the child!

        And sometimes I am a bit TOO empathetic. I have been in book stores, or even restaurants when children get all excited, because they realize they can read the book, or whatever. They usually ARE young kids, like 4-6. I hear that sort of thing and almost want to go into teaching kids. If I taught first grade, I would help each INDIVIDUALLY if they couldn't read, and needed it! Literacy should be MANDATED for 1st grade. It isn't that hard. HECK, I WOULD say kindergarten, but I don't think everyone goes to kindergarten.

        And even those that say that school is only to teach WORKERS for business have trouble here. I mean HOW productive can a person be if they can't even READ!?!?!?!?!? Even a person flipping hamburgers may have to read warning signals, first aid directions, employee manuals, notes, bus schedules, etc... and that is just to get to work and flip burgers. And HOW could you read, or even honestly sign, a contract?

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    Interesting update article on the Boston bombing.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Smartest answer. But most aren't like that. Most of us do choose someone to listen to, and believe.

      I'm often not on the same page with "most" people. I can't, and don't try to, and don't want to, speak for them.

      My comment was simply another way of suggesting we should taste a great diversity of thought, but we should also be careful of what we swallow.

      I've usually found when there are two extremes the truth lies somewhere in between. I'll listen to, and question, all sides. Anything less, for me, is to not care about the truth.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        I've usually found when there are two extremes the truth lies somewhere in between. I'll listen to, and question, all sides. Anything less, for me, is to not care about the truth.
        My friend..

        I know what you meant. And I know you aren't like most people. I was just adding to your thought.

        "The truth lies somewhere in between". One mistake we make when listening to debates with two opposing views, is that we think the truth is somewhere along a straight line between the opposing positions. My experience is that usually, both views are wrong. The reason there is a "debate" is that learning isn't taking place. They are defending positions, and not looking for the truth.
        Debating is a poor way to learn or arrive at the truth, for the simple reason that it's assumed that at least one party is right.

        When talking to intelligent friends, sometimes I will attribute the opinion to someone else, so they won't accept the idea, just because it's coming from me.

        Reality is a fixed point. It's our view that changes. Most of us fire a gun, and call whatever we hit...the target.

        I just had a hot flash of pomposity, that I had to get out. :rolleyes:
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I just had a hot flash of pomposity, that I had to get out. :rolleyes:
          BOOM! There's the title of your autobiography:

          Hot Flash of Pomposity:
          The Claude Whitacre Story
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            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

            BOOM! There's the title of your autobiography:

            Hot Flash of Pomposity:
            The Claude Whitacre Story
            That's pretty darn good. You should write it....it would be funnier.


            You actually make me want to write it. Damn, that's going in my signature.
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              You should write it....it would be funnier.
              As with anything between the two of us...
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              That's pretty darn good. You should write it....it would be funnier.
              Are you suggesting you want someone else to write your autobiography? How does that work?

              Although, it does remind me of the time when Charles Barkley claimed he was misquoted in his own autobiography.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                Are you suggesting you want someone else to write your autobiography? How does that work?

                Although, it does remind me of the time when Charles Barkley claimed he was misquoted in his own autobiography.
                Are you kidding? Riffle gives me some of my funniest lines.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          "The truth lies somewhere in between". One mistake we make when listening to debates with two opposing views, is that we think the truth is somewhere along a straight line between the opposing positions. My experience is that usually, both views are wrong.
          Entirely possible, but for me, both usually have a piece of the truth and use it to justify their beliefs without trying to see the other side's "piece of truth." Similar to the elephant and three blind men story, if you're familiar with that.

          The reason there is a "debate" is that learning isn't taking place. They are defending positions, and not looking for the truth.
          Exactly. Learning usually isn't the objective.

          When talking to intelligent friends, sometimes I will attribute the opinion to someone else, so they won't accept the idea, just because it's coming from me.
          Sometimes I'll attribute the opinion to someone else so they won't reject the idea because it's coming from me.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            Entirely possible, but for me, both usually have a piece of the truth and use it to justify their beliefs without trying to see the other side's "piece of truth." Similar to the elephant and three blind men story, if you're familiar with that.
            I am. And using that analogy, most arguments I see are from people who have never touched a part of the elephant. They are arguing over what they heard someone else say about their experience touching the elephant.

            If people are arguing from direct experience, they are usually much closer.


            Picture a 100 piece puzzle. Nearly always, one person has seen one piece of the puzzle (or has had someone describe one piece of the puzzle), and they are arguing with someone who has seen 15 pieces of the puzzle. But neither one knows that there are actually 100 pieces to the puzzle.

            Both views are incomplete, but one is far more incomplete than the other. They both think they have seen enough to make a firm statement about what's in the puzzle.
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    Claude, I'll help you out. Here's the first line for your book:

    "Claude Whitacre was a lonely child, so lonely, in fact, that even his imaginary friends were often found playing with the children across the street."

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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Claude, I'll help you out. Here's the first line for your book:

      "[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Claude Whitacre was a lonely child, so lonely, in fact, that even his imaginary friends were often found playing with the children across the street."
      The first time you stopped by, my wife said "Honey, I thought this was going to be one of your imaginary friends. I'm impressed that this one was real"

      I said "No. The friends I imagine are taller and better looking".


      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Just checking...you do realize that by definition someone else can write your biography, but only you can write your own autobiography, right? LOL
      Kurt...

      I don't get it. My biography isn't about a car. What is the "autobiography" stuff you talk about? I want full details.

      I may include your answer in the autobiography that Riffle is writing about me.
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    This suit is for attention only, and I highly doubt it's going anywhere.

    You have to prove the people in charge knowingly knew the info was false, then you have to prove they knowingly put the info out there to intentionally damage people.

    Considering how much chaos and disinformation actually surrounded the whole Boston Bombing story, it's going to be hella hard to prove at best.

    To TL the Liberator: You really need to read up on David Brock, the guy who runs Media Matters...if there ever was a poster for irresponsible journalism, his picture would front and center on the poster. I'm still waiting for my refund from buying 'The Real Anita Hill' from the guy....just saying.
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      Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

      This suit is for attention only, and I highly doubt it's going anywhere.

      You have to prove the people in charge knowingly knew the info was false, then you have to prove they knowingly put the info out there to intentionally damage people.

      Considering how much chaos and disinformation actually surrounded the whole Boston Bombing story, it's going to be hella hard to prove at best.

      To TL the Liberator: You really need to read up on David Brock, the guy who runs Media Matters...if there ever was a poster for irresponsible journalism, his picture would front and center on the poster. I'm still waiting for my refund from buying 'The Real Anita Hill' from the guy....just saying.
      I understand the bubble you're living in and...

      For your last paragraph I say...

      ...and one and one is three.
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        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        I understand the bubble you're living in and...

        For your last paragraph is say...

        ...and one and one is three.
        Have you heard of his next book....Blinded by the Right...which got raked over the coals by the left wing media?

        Seriously, the last site on earth I would trust is Media Matters....now you know why.
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

          Have you heard of his next book....Blinded by the Right...which got raked over the coals by the left wing media?

          Seriously, the last site on earth I would trust is Media Matters....now you know why.

          Have fun! I know you're on the right side of American history.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    If people are arguing from direct experience, they are usually much closer.
    Of course, the wildcard in that assessment is beliefs. Beliefs often color the perception of an experience.

    I like the puzzle analogy. I will probably steal it from you at some point, but don't worry, I'll "spin" it so it passes Copyscape.
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      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Of course, the wildcard in that assessment is beliefs. Beliefs often color the perception of an experience.

      I like the puzzle analogy. I will probably steal it from you at some point, but don't worry, I'll "spin" it so it passes Copyscape.
      You want to know where I got the "Puzzle analogy"? I copied it out of my autobiography. I never realized how fascinating I was until I read it. Everyone here should have someone write their autobiography.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        You want to know where I got the "Puzzle analogy"? I copied it out of my autobiography. I never realized how fascinating I was until I read it. Everyone here should have someone write their autobiography.
        That's funny. Good one.
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          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          That's funny. Good one.
          Don't thank him. I wrote that.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

            Don't thank him. I wrote that.
            Oh yeah . . . you guys get me so confused!
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

              Oh yeah . . . you guys get me so confused!
              You've been Riffled.

              Of course, it is I...Riffle, who wrote that.

              Does that make me, Dan Riffle, a pompous blowhard? With a homoerotic fascination for fat balding men? Yes. Yes, it does.
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