UFO Crashed in Missouri Wilderness at Time of the Civil War

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Almost 100 years before Roswell, a UFO crashed in a remote wilderness of Missouri, according to an article published in the Missouri Democrat on Oct. 19, 1865, a few months after the American Civil War ended.

The eyewitness to this event was James Lumley, a long-time Rocky Mountain trapper, who said that will trapping in the isolated mountains about 100 miles above the Great Falls of Upper Missouri, he witnessed a curious sight one evening just after sunset.


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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" Carl Sagan.
      He also said, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy View Post

        He also said, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
        And that's absolutely true. But it's often quoted to try to bolster some nonsensical idea that has no evidence. Try using that sentence in a court of law.

        A friend of mine was trying to convert me to a very odd belief he held. I said "I'm sorry, but that makes no sense at all". To which he said "It doesn't have to".

        I was kind of at a loss for words. (Not something that happens often, obviously )



        Originally Posted by lastreporter View Post

        No claims. Just a newspaper article.

        If the newspaper was lying, writing fiction, or the lifetime trapper was making up a tall tale about something crashing from the sky, then it is bogus. I just don't see what either could have gained.

        If not, then the man witnessed something extraordinary.

        That's all.
        I know. I didn't mean it personally.
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        • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          And that's absolutely true. But it's often quoted to try to bolster some nonsensical idea that has no evidence. Try using that sentence in a court of law.

          A friend of mine was trying to convert me to a very odd belief he held. I said "I'm sorry, but that makes no sense at all". To which he said "It doesn't have to".

          I was kind of at a loss for words. (Not something that happens often, obviously )





          I know. I didn't mean it personally.
          No problem. I understand what you are saying.
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    • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" Carl Sagan.
      No claims. Just a newspaper article.

      If the newspaper was lying, writing fiction, or the lifetime trapper was making up a tall tale about something crashing from the sky, then it is bogus. I just don't see what either could have gained.

      If not, then the man witnessed something extraordinary.

      That's all.
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        Originally Posted by lastreporter View Post

        No claims. Just a newspaper article.

        If the newspaper was lying, writing fiction, or the lifetime trapper was making up a tall tale about something crashing from the sky, then it is bogus. I just don't see what either could have gained.

        If not, then the man witnessed something extraordinary.

        That's all.
        Sadly during that period of time there were newspapers and/or reporters who would make up false stories.

        We really have no idea what this guy saw or even if the guy existed at all.

        It is interesting though to see the interest in UFOs going back to pre-flight.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
          Originally Posted by Aaron Doud View Post

          Sadly during that period of time there were newspapers and/or reporters who would make up false stories.

          We really have no idea what this guy saw or even if the guy existed at all.

          It is interesting though to see the interest in UFOs going back to pre-flight.
          That...ahem...would never ever...ahem, happen today.

          Would be interesting to find out if the site has been surveyed or researched for evidence
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        • Profile picture of the author Riptor
          There are many reported sightings going back for centuries, the problem is that there was no way to capture and prove it. Nowadays the problem is the total opposite, too many cameras and too many ways to manipulate images and videos. Sadly most of the best sightings are buried along with the nonsense.

          But luckily there are some interesting artifacts...

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        • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
          Originally Posted by Aaron Doud View Post

          Sadly during that period of time there were newspapers and/or reporters who would make up false stories.

          We really have no idea what this guy saw or even if the guy existed at all.

          It is interesting though to see the interest in UFOs going back to pre-flight.
          There is some truth to what you say. This could have been such a case, but then again, it might not have been.
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      Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

      What do stupid claims require?
      Patience. Just like I'm exhibiting here...this moment.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Concrete proof is available, but on this forum you would have to teabag some to get some acceptance!


        Or some will see a duck, that quacks, and waddles like a duck, but unless it jumps on them bites them and possibly explodes, they will dismiss it as a pink elephant!


        Open mindedness, can get closed quickly when fear is involved!


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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Someone had spray painted a squiggle on the outside of the back door of my store. My friend saw it and insisted I paint over it. He was convinced that I was ...Cursed.

        It was very very real to him. He was genuinely frightened for me.
        Well that was a let down. The kinds of things I was imagining were much more interesting.


        Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

        What do stupid claims require?
        What are gullible people, Alex?

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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

          Seems to me that many, many reliable people have reported UFOs and alien encounters. I don't think they're lying. I don't think they're delusional. I don't think they're insane.


          I had eggs for breakfast this morning.

          No, you didn't.

          Yes, I did.

          Oh yeah? Prove it.

          Yep, when you hear about, tens of thousands of people seeing the same thing, (the 50's UFO's over Washington is the best) then it isn't that they exist, but where do they come from?

          Some earthly thinktank, or military genius, are answers a skeptic may consider, but a UFO from another planet, forget it, too scary!

          Have to protect their way of life and radial tyres, etc!


          It conveniently gets dismissed as swamp gas, a flock of seagulls, etc, eventhough visually it clearly is something artificial!


          When a UFO lands in a park in Washington, (and stays there) it will be fascinating to watch the skeptics, squirm, or go nuts is more likely!


          When you put all your emotional beliefs into non-acceptance, you are headed for a fall!


          I personally would be glued to the tv, thinking finally and this is f**** cool!

          Then look forward to the US and others, getting some of their power taken away from them when certain tech, is shared!


          But because of this fact, they will only disclose when their backs are against the wall!


          If the third party, rover gets to Mars soon that could blow the lid on the whole coverup!


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          The Giorgio A. Tsoukalos memes are so 2009.
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            Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

            The Giorgio A. Tsoukalos memes are so 2009.
            Your "join date" was also 2009. Coincidence? I think not!
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              Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

              The Giorgio A. Tsoukalos memes are so 2009.
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Your "join date" was also 2009. Coincidence? I think not!
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    I have no filters. I believe everything. The crazier it sounds, the more I embrace it.

    For the last year and a half I've been renting a room in New Jersey from Harry Houdini. Elvis lives in the unit beside me.

    I just turned 11 in Oct of 1865. I remember this happening. I lived in the next county. I heard a crash and felt a thud. Ashen green people stopped by later that evening. Pa and one of the greenies strummed the banjo for a while. The following day no one remembered any of it, except me. When I mentioned it to Pa, he took me out to the woodshed and whooped me for "carryin' tales."

    Seriously, I find it hard to believe we're the only, cough cough, intelligent beings in the Galaxy.
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    Originally Posted by lastreporter View Post

    Almost 100 years before Roswell, a UFO crashed in a remote wilderness of Missouri, according to an article published in the Missouri Democrat on Oct. 19, 1865, a few months after the American Civil War ended.

    The eyewitness to this event was James Lumley, a long-time Rocky Mountain trapper, who said that will trapping in the isolated mountains about 100 miles above the Great Falls of Upper Missouri, he witnessed a curious sight one evening just after sunset.


    Link: UFO Crashed in Missouri Wilderness at Time of the Civil War - Objective Investigation of UFOs and Unexplained Phenomena - Last Reporter
    I think this is the more interesting story...how a Rocky Mountain trapper was in Missouri. Since the Rockies are about 700 miles from Missouri, this is irrefutable evidence of time travel!
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I think this is the more interesting story...how a Rocky Mountain trapper was in Missouri. Since the Rockies are about 700 miles from Missouri, this is irrefutable evidence of time travel!
      I think that the fact that the trapper recognized Hieroglyphics was even more impressive.
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I think this is the more interesting story...how a Rocky Mountain trapper was in Missouri. Since the Rockies are about 700 miles from Missouri, this is irrefutable evidence of time travel!
      Good point. I checked the old map; there were mountains in the area, which at that time was still a wilderness.
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        Originally Posted by lastreporter View Post

        Good point. I checked the old map; there were mountains in the area, which at that time was still a wilderness.
        Yes, there "were" mountains there. And I believe there still are mountains in MO, unless they've been misplaced recently. But, the mountains in Missouri are the Ozarks and not the Rockies.
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        • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Yes, there "were" mountains there. And I believe there still are mountains in MO, unless they've been misplaced recently. But, the mountains in Missouri are the Ozarks and not the Rockies.
          No. You are absolutely right. But the article just mentions that the trapper had done a lot of trapping in the Rockies. I don't believe it is saying the Rockies are in MO.

          Here is the exact quote:

          "The eyewitness to this event was James Lumley, a long-time Rocky Mountain trapper, who said that when trapping in the isolated mountains about 100 miles above the Great Falls of Upper Missouri, he witnessed a curious sight one evening just after sunset."
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            Originally Posted by lastreporter View Post

            No. You are absolutely right. But the article just mentions that the trapper had done a lot of trapping in the Rockies. I don't believe it is saying the Rockies are in MO.

            Here is the exact quote:

            "The eyewitness to this event was James Lumley, a long-time Rocky Mountain trapper, who said that when trapping in the isolated mountains about 100 miles above the Great Falls of Upper Missouri, he witnessed a curious sight one evening just after sunset."
            I agree. I was just making fun of their poor usagage of words and sentences.

            I would have left "Rocky Mountain" out of the sentence myself since it is a bit confusing about the mountains the trapper was in at the time, which were in Missouri and not the Rockies.
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            • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              I agree. I was just making fun of their poor usagage of words and sentences.

              I would have left "Rocky Mountain" out of the sentence myself since it is a bit confusing about the mountains the trapper was in at the time, which were in Missouri and not the Rockies.
              I agree with you. It makes it confusing the way it is used.
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              • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
                You're keeping us in suspense here. Never mind the Close Encounter of the Curious Kind, what I want to know is did the trapper catch anything?
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                  Going slightly off the inccident a bit but do anyone believe in aliens? Personally I believe there something out there but I do believe that our governments and tv studios play up the fact that's people like myself who want answers and believe we're not alone. Que the X Files theme
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                    Originally Posted by oWEN tEBB View Post

                    Going slightly off the inccident a bit but do anyone believe in aliens? Personally I believe there something out there but I do believe that our governments and tv studios play up the fact that's people like myself who want answers and believe we're not alone. Que the X Files theme
                    Look up the "Philadelphia Experiment" on the Internet.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

                      Pa and one of the greenies strummed the banjo for a while.
                      We're they any good? I'll bet if they have a sense of rhythm, aliens would be really good banjo and guitar players with those long, slender fingers. :rolleyes:


                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      A friend of mine was trying to convert me to a very odd belief he held. I said "I'm sorry, but that makes no sense at all". To which he said "It doesn't have to".
                      OK, I'm sure I'm not the only one whose curiosity was aroused by that comment. What was the "odd belief" of which you speak? Enquiring minds want to know.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                        OK, I'm sure I'm not the only one whose curiosity was aroused by that comment. What was the "odd belief" of which you speak? Enquiring minds want to know.
                        Someone had spray painted a squiggle on the outside of the back door of my store. My friend saw it and insisted I paint over it. He was convinced that I was ...Cursed.

                        It was very very real to him. He was genuinely frightened for me.
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                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          Someone had spray painted a squiggle on the outside of the back door of my store. My friend saw it and insisted I paint over it. He was convinced that I was ...Cursed.

                          It was very very real to him. He was genuinely frightened for me.
                          It's widely thought that the power of a hex to destroy someone is greatly increased if the recipient of the hex believes in them..........but how do we know that for sure since those hexed that don't believe will just think other events as being the cause:
                          (from my own research, because I think you'll enjoy this one):



                          Tough Competitors? Just Hex Them.

                          In modern society we have many means for dealing with tough competitors but putting hexes on them isn't usually one of our chosen methods. In ancient societies, it was a common practice. Archaeologists have recovered over 1,500 "Curse Tablets" from ancient Greece, England, Sicily, and throughout the Mediterranean. Dating from as early as 500 BC, many of the tablets actually do curse businesses and politicians.

                          The Curse Tablets are also known as "defixiones", a Latin term meaning "to nail down", as they commonly are found with nails driven through them. Nailing the defixiones served a double purpose, binding not only the hex but also binding the tablet itself. The tablets found are usually made of lead which was a cheap and readily available writing material in the ancient world. It is also possible that other materials found infrequently were also widely used but did not preserve as well for us to find today.

                          The oldest tablets are sometimes blank and sometimes inscribed with only the name of the entity to be hexed. As writing became more prevalent the inscriptions on the tablets became more elaborate. It is presumed that the earlier societies felt that the rituals of creating the hex and binding the tablet was sufficient to bind the the hex, while in later societies the rituals were replaced by inscribing the hex. The idea that inscribing text would work in lieu of ritual to bind the spell can be seen in the late practice of scribes of making and selling curse tablets. The hexes themselves ran in themes that allow us to glimpse what daily headaches and concerns plagued our ancient ancestors.

                          Most of the tablets cursed people and entities in the areas of business, legal, political, love, thievery, and charioteers. The hexer would call to Gods relevant to the area of life the hex involved. Surprisingly, many of these invocations were not polite, but seemed to carry a feeling that the Gods acted upon the invocation as a matter of duty and not favor. While some of the tablets call for vengeance, many seem to be made just to satisfy greed or lust.

                          Tablets were hidden by being thrown into water or buried in graveyards and other places where they were thought likely to be picked up by the spirits of deceased who were stranded from their afterlife destination. It is thought that ancient people believed that the soul of the deceased would either act on the hex or deliver it to the appropriate deity to claim favor and be allowed to pass to the afterworld. That most of the tablets were hidden reveals that they were believed to work on their own without the knowledge of the hexed which could activate the hex through fear of it.

                          There was a fear of curses and hexes in these societies. So much so that they were decreed illegal in the Ancient Roman Empire. Another testament to the belief in, or the actual effectiveness of the hexes, is the number of amulets found for protection against curses and hexes within these societies. While no one today can say whether they worked or not, we do know that they were seen to work and they were seen to be very effective. Perhaps the next time you have a an irritating competitor or are called into court to defend yourself, you might want to just hex your rival. What an inexpensive and private mode of conducting personal business it is that has been discovered for us.

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                          I'm sorry Claude. The bad news is that you have been hexed. The good news is that I will gladly sell you an amulet to give you protection from this and future hexes for the small sum of $999.97 dollars in silver.
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                            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                            I'm sorry Claude. The bad news is that you have been hexed. The good news is that I will gladly sell you an amulet to give you protection from this and future hexes for the small sum of $999.97 dollars in silver.
                            Actually, I've already invested in "Hex Insurance".
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                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              Actually, I've already invested in "Hex Insurance".
                              Insurance? Really.
                              Silly 21st century consumer. Insurance does not protect against attack, it merely mitigates the disaster by giving you your money back, plus a little bit more when disaster strikes. It does NOT protect you from the curse.

                              Oh well, dude - when we see you grow long ears and a muzzle, then see an oat sack strapped on your face, we'll know what the insurance was good for, huh?
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                    Originally Posted by oWEN tEBB View Post

                    Going slightly off the inccident a bit but do anyone believe in aliens? Personally I believe there something out there but I do believe that our governments and tv studios play up the fact that's people like myself who want answers and believe we're not alone. Que the X Files theme
                    One has only to look at the occupants of the Capitol building in Washington, D.C. to confirm the existence of aliens.
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    A UFO landed in Missouri 100 years ago, you speculate. OK, let's say it did. What difference does it make? Is anyone's life the least bit different because it did or did not land?
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      Originally Posted by domainarama View Post

      A UFO landed in Missouri 100 years ago, you speculate. OK, let's say it did. What difference does it make? Is anyone's life the least bit different because it did or did not land?
      How would we know?
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        Originally Posted by domainarama View Post

        A UFO landed in Missouri 100 years ago, you speculate. OK, let's say it did. What difference does it make? Is anyone's life the least bit different because it did or did not land?

        Originally Posted by lastreporter View Post

        How would we know?
        Darn good answer.
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    We're the proof that aliens have visited.

    Anunnaki + Primate = Human.

    The "tree of life" was a metaphor for the genomic evolutionary tree. The "forbidden fruit" was the knowledge of how we came to exist. The "Serpent" was essentially the double helix ... the petroglyph for DNA, which is still used to represent modern medicine today.





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    • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
      Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

      We're the proof that aliens have visited.

      Anunnaki + Primate = Human.

      The "tree of life" was a metaphor for the genomic evolutionary tree. The "forbidden fruit" was the knowledge of how we came to exist. The "Serpent" was essentially the double helix ... the petroglyph for DNA, which is still used to represent modern medicine today.





      Outstanding. Thanks for sharing this. If you have the source or have any links to more of the same, please share, if you have the mind to.
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      Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

      We're the proof that aliens have visited.

      Anunnaki + Primate = Human.

      The "tree of life" was a metaphor for the genomic evolutionary tree. The "forbidden fruit" was the knowledge of how we came to exist. The "Serpent" was essentially the double helix ... the petroglyph for DNA, which is still used to represent modern medicine today.





      I'm hoping you are kidding. The caduceus existed earlier and was simply reused. Look closely, and you will find it doesn't match the dna picture you showed. I could easily say it shows a cross saying Christ was a healer, and two serpents at odds with one another trying to cause problems. The serpents are twisted as that is the simplest and safest way for them to be there, and common for snakes like pythons.

      As for the anunnaki+primate, you can't use a theory assuming an idea to prove that idea. This theory assumes that we came from something called a primate and the anunnaki. Neither is proven though WE, by definition, are primates!

      A primate (Listeni/ˈpraɪmeɪt/ pry-mayt) is a mammal of the order Primates (Listeni/praɪˈmeɪtiːz/ pry-may-teez; Latin: "prime, first rank").[2][3] In taxonomy, primates include prosimians and simians.[4] Primates arose from ancestors that lived in the trees of tropical forests; many primate characteristics represent adaptations to life in this challenging three-dimensional environment. Most primate species remain at least partly arboreal.
      With the exception of humans, which inhabit every continent,[a] most primates live in tropical or subtropical regions of the Americas, Africa and Asia.
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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        I'm hoping you are kidding. The caduceus existed earlier and was simply reused.
        Existed earlier than the Sumerians? From who?

        Look closely, and you will find it doesn't match the dna picture you showed.
        It's a petroglyph... a simple pictorial representation. Were you expecting actual DNA to have snake heads? I mean, that's like saying the Jeep icon isn't a Jeep icon because it doesn't look like exactly like a Jeep.



        I could easily say it shows a cross saying Christ was a healer, and two serpents at odds with one another trying to cause problems.
        What I posted pre-dates Christ by about 5,500 years...

        The serpents are twisted as that is the simplest and safest way for them to be there, and common for snakes like pythons.
        This doesn't make any sense at all.

        As for the anunnaki+primate, you can't use a theory assuming an idea to prove that idea. This theory assumes that we came from something called a primate and the anunnaki. Neither is proven though WE, by definition, are primates!
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        Well, let's look at that. The "head-scratching discovery by the public consortium", as Science magazine put it, was that the human genome contains 223 genes that don't have the required predecessors on the genomic evolutionary tree.

        In layman's terms, that means these genes just "appeared" out of nowhere and didn't evolve from other genes.

        Now, that might not seem like a lot. But genetically speaking, the difference between Man and Chimpanzee is less than one percent; and one percent of 30,000 genes is 300. So, 223 genes is more than two thirds of the difference between me, you and a chimp!

        Of course that doesn't mean anything by itself... except that an analysis of the functions of these genes, conducted by the Public Consortium team, shows their proteins are involved in important physiological and psychiatric functions and are responsible for neurological enzymes. In short, it's these specific genes that make us substantially different and more intelligent than our genetic ancestors.

        But remember, they have no evolutionary predecessors, so they didn't evolve from lesser genes. They just appeared somewhere around 7,500-10,000 years ago. Coincidentally, around the time of Sumeria, the first known modern human civilization, who curiously had a complete understanding of astronomy and mathematics.

        And they say that's how they got here.

        I find that really interesting. But what I find even more interesting is the credibility of their knowledge; one particular Sumerian tablet depicts a map of the solar system, showing not only the sun and the correct position of all of the known planets, but also an "extra" planet in between Mars and Jupiter. There's no planet there today... but there is a huge asteroid belt that most astronomers believe was once a planet, destroyed after colliding with another object.

        But wait, there's more...

        The Sumerians also wrote about another planet, one with a unique elliptical orbit that only swung into our solar system once every 10,500 years or so. Their name for it was Nibiru - and it was said to be the home of their Anunnaki creators.

        That's pretty dumb, right? I mean, there's no proof that this planet exists... or at least there wasn't until 2003 when researchers at Cal Tech discovered a planet with a strange elliptical orbit that only enters our solar system once every 10,500 years or so. They named it Sedna.



        Here's what's interesting about Sedna... the last time Sedna was in our solar system would have been right around the time when the Sumeria first came to exist. Right around the time the Sumerians say the Anunnaki were here. Right around the time those 223 genes appeared.

        (Remember, this was all written down about 4,000 years before the Hebrews, before the Torah, before the Bible, and at least 5,500 years before Jesus.)

        To add to the mystery, could that planet - which we now know does in fact exist - have collided with the 5th planet in our solar system on its way out? Because that would explain why the Sumerians drew an extra planet between Mars and Jupiter that isn't here now, existing today only as an Asteroid belt.

        Of course, I'm sure this information won't mean much to you since you've already made your decision that none it could possibly be true. But it sure is interesting that modern science seems to just now be "catching up" to what the first human civilization wrote about 7,500 - 10,000 years ago. Kind of makes you wonder what else the Sumerians were right about.
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          Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

          Existed earlier than the Sumerians? From who?
          The sumarians ARE earlier than the current doctors.

          It's a petroglyph... a simple pictorial representation. Were you expecting actual DNA to have snake heads? I mean, that's like saying the Jeep icon isn't a Jeep icon because it doesn't look like exactly like a Jeep.
          With the dna, th double helix pictured is in one chain. In the medical symbol, they are mirrored.

          At least the jeep loos like the grill with the headlights. Lower the headlights below, or put them to one side of the grill, and you start to lose the connection.

          What I posted pre-dates Christ by about 5,500 years...
          If YOU can talk about time travel and all, SO can I!


          This doesn't make any sense at all.
          OK, you've never seen pythons. https://www.google.com/search?q=pyth...er%3B550%3B367

          Well, let's look at that. The "head-scratching discovery by the public consortium", as Science magazine put it, was that the human genome contains 223 genes that don't have the required predecessors on the genomic evolutionary tree.

          In layman's terms, that means these genes just "appeared" out of nowhere and didn't evolve from other genes.
          You have trouble explaining how ONE gene appeared, and now say something MUST be because you can't account for 223?

          Now, that might not seem like a lot. But genetically speaking, the difference between Man and Chimpanzee is less than one percent; and one percent of 30,000 genes is 300. So, 223 genes is more than two thirds of the difference between me, you and a chimp!
          Didn't they EARLIER say that the difference in the genes was only 1%?

          Of course that doesn't mean anything by itself... except that an analysis of the functions of these genes, conducted by the Public Consortium team, shows their proteins are involved in important physiological and psychiatric functions and are responsible for neurological enzymes. In short, it's these specific genes that make us substantially different and more intelligent than our genetic ancestors.

          But remember, they have no evolutionary predecessors, so they didn't evolve from lesser genes. They just appeared somewhere around 7,500-10,000 years ago. Coincidentally, around the time of Sumeria, the first known modern human civilization, who curiously had a complete understanding of astronomy and mathematics.
          Again, we don't and CAN'T know everything so claiming that a void in our knowledge PROVES extraterrestrial intervention is lazy. I have heard similar claims about how far we have come in some technologies in the past 300 years, but *I* had the knowledge to piece it together and show a reasonable reason for each advancement.

          And they say that's how they got here.

          I find that really interesting. But what I find even more interesting is the credibility of their knowledge; one particular Sumerian tablet depicts a map of the solar system, showing not only the sun and the correct position of all of the known planets, but also an "extra" planet in between Mars and Jupiter. There's no planet there today... but there is a huge asteroid belt that most astronomers believe was once a planet, destroyed after colliding with another object.

          But wait, there's more...

          The Sumerians also wrote about another planet, one with a unique elliptical orbit that only swung into our solar system once every 10,500 years or so. Their name for it was Nibiru - and it was said to be the home of their Anunnaki creators.

          That's pretty dumb, right? I mean, there's no proof that this planet exists... or at least there wasn't until 2003 when researchers at Cal Tech discovered a planet with a strange elliptical orbit that only enters our solar system once every 10,500 years or so. They named it Sedna.



          Here's what's interesting about Sedna... the last time Sedna was in our solar system would have been right around the time when the Sumeria first came to exist. Right around the time the Sumerians say the Anunnaki were here. Right around the time those 223 genes appeared.

          (Remember, this was all written down about 4,000 years before the Hebrews, before the Torah, before the Bible, and at least 5,500 years before Jesus.)

          To add to the mystery, could that planet - which we now know does in fact exist - have collided with the 5th planet in our solar system on its way out? Because that would explain why the Sumerians drew an extra planet between Mars and Jupiter that isn't here now, existing today only as an Asteroid belt.

          Of course, I'm sure this information won't mean much to you since you've already made your decision that none it could possibly be true. But it sure is interesting that modern science seems to just now be "catching up" to what the first human civilization wrote about 7,500 - 10,000 years ago. Kind of makes you wonder what else the Sumerians were right about.
          Well, the sumerians obviously were lacking in some areas. They say the galaxy is expanding, etc... Those planets could have been closer, the air cleaner, etc... And YEAH, I know that ancient cultures knew stuff many don't know now, and there is certainly stuff, even if only their language and culture, that perhaps NOBODY knows today. THAT is why we are even discussing this.

          As for having made up my mind? NOPE! I am just telling you why these things aren't proof.

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          Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

          Well, let's look at that. The "head-scratching discovery by the public consortium", as Science magazine put it, was that the human genome contains 223 genes that don't have the required predecessors on the genomic evolutionary tree.
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          Okay - lets look at that. It's old info. At one time we believed that Sumeria was the start of "modern human" civilization. Recent archaeology has pushed "modern" civilization back to around 11,000 years and rudimentary civilization of modern man goes back around 200,000 years. We were maritime 60,000 years ago.

          They have traced human dna back to a woman they call Eve (appropriately) - a quarter million years. Don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean all modern human DNA is accounted for. It's not. I've heard many a scientist say that human dna has aspects that can't be accounted for in planetary terms. Modern human dna is just much older than you suggest here.

          If you want to go back even further -- this whole arm of our galaxy collided with another one - I believe it was the Sagittarius galaxy, but don't remember which it was for sure -- so earth itself might not even be representative of our own galaxy.
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            Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

            How do we know that anything but Cro-Magnons are what we consider human?
            Cro Magnons aren't human? Don't tell Claude, it is bound to hurt his ego very badly.

            Seriously - we know from the DNA. We just don't know where the DNA comes from.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

              We share DNA with trees. Seems like anything remotely mammalian is a human ancestor.
              We share DNA with every living thing. Mammals are our cousins, not ancestors.
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    Claude was recently busted in a hex insurance scam, don't listen to him. He and a couple of his other vacuum buddies all put hexes on each other and cashed out their policies.
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      Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

      Claude was recently busted in a hex insurance scam, don't listen to him. He and a couple of his other vacuum buddies all put hexes on each other and cashed out their policies.
      The scam was that we would fake each other's death.

      The problem is that we are all idiots, and didn't realize that you can maybe fake your own death...but not another person's.

      I'm the world's worst Super Villain.
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    BTW given their basis of reference, how could we interpret an article about UFOs that is that old? Look at how ezekiels vision has been interpreted.

    If this DID happen, could you imagine the uproar and history? Granted, this was over 100 years before the IC, but there were people alive then that could determine the basis of a product designed today, and maybe tell you about its operation and start it up and use it. A person at that time might have understood power, electricity, batteries, capacitors, resistors, and EVEN basic semiconductor theory. Looking at the guts of a computer designed TODAY, they could tell you how it got its power, and from where, how the battery worked, how the PC board worked, and the capacitors and resistors.
    The creator of the concepts for the battery died like 30 years before this article.

    Frankly, they may have been as able to discern how that UFO worked as their contemporaries.

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    Us trappers traveled a lot (or should I say alot- lol).
    That was part of the lure - seeing what's over the next hill
    and hoping it's friendly.

    And since I'm also a time traveler, I know Hieroglyphics.

    And, by the way TG, did your Pa ever settle or win that Dueling Banjos
    plagiarism thing?

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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      The scam was that we would fake each other's death.

      The problem is that we are all idiots, and didn't realize that you can maybe fake your own death...but not another person's.

      I'm the world's worst Super Villain.
      But you are nothing without your Batman Costume, (fumigation optional)! :rolleyes:


      But on a more serious note, if Clinton can using RV, or some device could see into the future, and Putin could do likewise, then they would be constantly creating scenarios to outflank each other to the point there it would become useless.


      So Putin uses the device to see if sending troops in Ukraine for example will exculate into an all out war.

      Then America does the same before Putin does it, and realises that he will invade, blah, blah!


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    Yeah, but where does the starchild come into all this?
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      Yeah, but where does the starchild come into all this?
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      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      Yeah, but where does the starchild come into all this?
      Apparently, right around post #55.
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