Movie: HEAVEN IS FOR REAL - Did You See It?

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Unity96387

10 years ago

Are the people who saw this movie too scared to tell us you saw it or do you not care to go to this movie and to investigate the evidence that this boy could not have the knowledge that he had unless he truly went to heaven?!?!

Come on, be brave and either tell us you went to the movie and how it made you feel, or go to the movie so you can come on here and give us your true feedback.

I was blown away by just the reviews of the movie.

There are others who have gone to heaven during a near death experience, but the movie was done about an innocent boy who tells the truth and comes back knowing things that his parents never told him. IT BLEW THEIR MINDS.

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Claude Whitacre 10 years ago

I haven't seen the movie. I'm too scared to learn the truth.

The...Truth!
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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Unity96387

Are the people who saw this movie too scared to tell us you saw it or do you not care to go to this movie and to investigate the evidence that this boy could not have the knowledge that he had unless he truly went to heaven?!?!

Come on, be brave and either tell us you went to the movie and how it made you feel, or go to the movie so you can come on here and give us your true feedback.

I was blown away by just the reviews of the movie.

There are others who have gone to heaven during a near death experience, but the movie was done about an innocent boy who tells the truth and comes back knowing things that his parents never told him. IT BLEW THEIR MINDS.

I'm not afraid of anything! Well, except heights...and spiders...and snakes...

I haven't seen the movie but I saw the interviews a few years back and was intrigued.

I'll probably wait for the DVD for this one though. I like to go to the theaters and see movies that have awesome special effects.

I'll put on the surround sound and dim the lights when I watch it though.

Terra

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Sue Bruce 10 years ago

Saw the movie. The little guy who played the four year is a sweetheart and really makes the whole movie. Not to be a spoiler, the incidents happen after an operation where he came out of his body and at numerous times recounted different experiences he had while he was in heaven. The amazing part for me was the fact that a girl in another country had a similar experience and made paintings, when he saw it he said, "that's him"
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lanfear63 10 years ago

The reviews say the movie was well made and acted and the real parents of the boy and the boy himself said it was an accurate account of what happened and what he saw.

However, it was made by film makers who make many movies to promote there certain views and it had a bias towards er, lets say, their persuasion and it was preachy in favor of it.

I would have probably have gone and seen it if it had been unbiased.

The little boy said he saw the son of this persuasion's chief deity, riding a multicolored horse.

Now, I do actually entertain the idea of continuance after death (due to having had some extraordinary, unexplainable experiences) and that these dimensions possibly exist.

However, consensus of opinion and alleged reportage about them indicate that they can appear as whatever you would like them to look like and be the most comfortable with seeing. Either that or the boy was attracted to an area of it that others had collectively created.

So the little boy would gravitate to seeing a personification of whatever indoctrination and belief system he had been exposed too most in life. While he would see one thing, others of a different persuasion would see a different deity. Possibly made up by the collective thought manipulation and desires of others.

These dimensions that the consciousnesses of individuals occupy is reported as being easily shaped by thought alone, so if you want a house or a landscape, you can think it so yourself or join others of a like mind to occupy the same imagined structures and creations. And, have shared deities that they have collectively created because they wanted them and felt they needed them to exist based on their beliefs and indoctrinations in life.

These are not necessarily my specific views of how things are, just a summery of extensive reading on the subject. Am open to all possibilities.

But I don't like the fact that the film makers grabbed this one of many differing accounts of other worldly glimpses and said, well there you are, that proves we were right.
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Dennis Gaskill

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Unity96387

Come on, be brave and either tell us you went to the movie and how it made you feel, or go to the movie so you can come on here and give us your true feedback.

If you want my feedback you'll have to pay for my ticket, my time to sit through the movie, plus refreshments, and of course, the time it takes to write the feedback. :rolleyes:

PS - I'll let you off the hook for the mileage there and back since it's within biking distance and I have to ride anyway.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by KingArthur

If you saw the movie please tell us your impression of it.

I saw an interview of the real boy (now 15 years old) who went to heaven and his father. They said the movie was accurate about what happened.

I also have read parts of the book the movie is based on.

I am waiting for Mother's Day and will take my mom to see it.

King Arthur

Here is a site debunking that movie. Heaven Is For Real But The Movie Is Not

Hallucinations from lack of oxygen. etc are the likely explanation.

From same site http://www.isheavenforreal.com/commo...piritual-world

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

So the little boy would gravitate to seeing a personification of whatever indoctrination and belief system he had been exposed too most in life. While he would see one thing, others of a different persuasion would see a different deity. Possibly made up by the collective thought manipulation and desires of others.

These dimensions that the consciousnesses of individuals occupy is reported as being easily shaped by thought alone, so if you want a house or a landscape, you can think it so yourself or join others of a like mind to occupy the same imagined structures and creations. And, have shared deities that they have collectively created because they wanted them and felt they needed them to exist based on their beliefs and indoctrinations in life.

Yep, apparently a lot of mansions up there! Although from what l have read it takes practice to create a mansion from scratch!

Originally Posted by AaronJones

Here is a site debunking that movie. Heaven Is For Real But The Movie Is Not

Hallucinations from lack of oxygen. etc are the likely explanation.

Ok, so when l saw what l saw in the "Psychic thread" apparently l woke up and held my breath for 5 minutes while preparing breakfast!

This debunking stuff is pretty hilarious!

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10 years ago

Why would you need to "debunk" a movie? I don't understand why people insert themselves into arguing for or against something like this.

You're interested - or you aren't. You see the movie or you don't. You believe the story and like the movie - or you don't.

I have the book the movie was made from. It's on my Kindle but haven't read it yet.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Why would you need to "debunk" a movie? I don't understand why people insert themselves into arguing for or against something like this.

You're interested - or you aren't. You see the movie or you don't. You believe the story and like the movie - or you don't.

I have the book the movie was made from. It's on my Kindle but haven't read it yet.

Probably because the movie is chipping away at the skeptics self identity, so they have to defend their identity to insane ends!

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Probably because the movie is chipping away at the skeptics self identity, so they have to defend their identity to insane ends!

Why didn't the boy meet Mohammed, Moses, Buddha, Ganesha?

Why Jesus?

I don't really care, I have read the book and it's an enjoyable read. Whether I believe it's heaven or something like lanfear63 says is irrelevant. I don't need to try and de bunk it, I agree with Kay, it's a film and I've no idea why Unity9374536 seems to want to make this into a challenge. It's a bloody film based on an apparently true event. Braveheart was like that too but I've never seen a more factually inaccurate film in my life. The real William Wallace was a giant of a man, Mel Gibson's a midget.

I rarely take anything 100% seriously when it's made into a book and a highly publicised film either.

Someone's making a lot of money there, over proving heaven is real. Money and heaven. Doesn't sit comfortably with me.

Shane, I don't get into the sceptic/believer debates but as someone who stands and watches with endless buckets of popcorn, one could argue that your entrenched belief in believing is just as fanatical as the sceptics in debunking?

Just saying and I really hate saying, 'just saying' so sorry about that.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Shane, I don't get into the sceptic/believer debates but as someone who stands and watches with endless buckets of popcorn, one could argue that your entrenched belief in believing is just as fanatical as the sceptics in debunking?

Good point Richard. I am much more of a believer in what Richard Dawkins has to say than his opponents, however he comes across as just as preachy and intolerant as they are. I'd hate to be locked in a room with either of them.

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Dan Riffle

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Why didn't the boy meet Mohammed, Moses, Buddha, Ganesha?

Why Jesus?

I've always considered, if they exist at all, that they are all one in the same. The differences are man-made creations and we see whichever one we expect to see.

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Kay King 10 years ago

Got around to reading the book a couple days ago. Enjoyed it. One thing especially made an impression and that was a comment about the little boy beginning to forget details as he got older. We all do that as we grow up - we forget the little important details of childhood.

I enjoyed the book - I believe that child's story. I wouldn't try to convince others to believe the story nor would I argue the details. I skimmed through several of the father's "correlating bible stories" as it was the boy's story I was interested in.
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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I've always considered, if they exist at all, that they are all one in the same. The differences are man-made creations and we see whichever one we expect to see.

Yes, that's very interesting and not something I'd considered.

Bearing in mind this is something we don't understand fully and can't explain, there's the possibility, albeit that they exist at all, that you're quite right.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Yes, that's very interesting and not something I'd considered.

Sorry to quote myself but that's just got me thinking.

What other possibilities are there that I don't know about or haven't considered yet?

I'm going to read the book again I think with a more open mind.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Forgive me Shane, I'm not sure fanatic was the right word for either side really, just my choice of words.

I appreciate that and I can't say you haven't had those experiences. I haven't personally and I am (I like to think) a fairly logical person. I tend to keep an open mind. I really don't know what is or isn't when it comes to dying.

I'll find out one day though.

Quite alright, just venting a little! Not at you, just the hard nosed doubters!

The ironic thing is, that we are so sure that this is the real one, but in reality heaven, or the seventh dimension, (if l remember correctly) is the real one. :rolleyes:

But it can take hundreds of years or never to learn stuff up there that can be learned much faster down here, that is the whole key to the process.

Or down here, our world is made of energy mimicking solid stuff; and up there is energy acting like it is solid, if that makes any sense?

Or up there marshmallows mimicking reality, and lego down here, (best analogy l could think of)! :rolleyes:

If I ever get to the states to go drinking with Claude and Riffle, I suspect ducks might well become pink elephants and all the women will look like models.

Well l think that Claude will see vacumn cleaners, or fluffy bunnies?

I can see your point, I really can. I'm only saying in this case that it may or may not be true. Books, films and making money shouldn't go in the same sentence as Heaven.

Yep, true, but money is energy or a symbolic form of it, so it can be, but not in a sociopathic context.

Movies might give humanity a taste of it, but unless it is a doc, probably not a good piece of evidence!

I'm not saying Heaven or an afterlife don't exist, I'm just saying this story may or may not be true. Either way, It's an interesting and enjoyable story.

I have only glimpsed that movie, but it could certainly happen, considering all the stuff l have experienced.

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I've always considered, if they exist at all, that they are all one in the same. The differences are man-made creations and we see whichever one we expect to see.

Hmmmm, not really, l have seen most of them, (skeptics on standby) and they are all geniune, well lets just say Paul, is proficient. But since they are etheric, the laws of quantum particles come into effect, or they can choose to be in several places at once, etc.

Seeing this sort of stuff isn't dictated by mental state and beliefs, it is based on overcoming mental blockages and fear, so the truth can present itself.

The skeptic at a new age festival will look at a crystal someone is concentrating on, and see nothing.

I will look at the same crystal and after a few minutes see a blue/purple color emanating from it!

Both are right, but one see's reality!

Shane

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I've always considered, if they exist at all, that they are all one in the same. The differences are man-made creations and we see whichever one we expect to see.

This is my thought as well. It's kind of hard to say that one religion, or religious being, is the right one to worship.

I've actually been wanting to see this movie. A couple of my family members watched it and had nothing but good things to say. My mom has the book and is going to let me borrow it after she's done.

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Claude Whitacre 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Why didn't the boy meet Mohammed, Moses, Buddha, Ganesha?

Why Jesus?

Because the kid was in a deeply religious Christian family.

And that affects your dreams. He didn't meet Buddha, because Buddha wasn't in his consciousness. If you are immersed in religion, what else would you dream about?

A few thousand years ago, he would have seen Zeus.

I'm a complete non-believer, and I still dream about seeing dead relatives, supernatural beings, and it all feels real.

I may enjoy the movie, if I saw it.

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The skeptic at a new age festival will look at a crystal someone is concentrating on, and see nothing.

No. I would see someone who is looking at a pretty rock....and a pretty rock.
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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Why didn't the boy meet Mohammed, Moses, Buddha, Ganesha?

Why Jesus?

Muhammad, Moses, Buddha and Ganesha are Christ. They share the Christ consciousness as everyone else does as fragments of a single unit in the "Sonship". The "Son" is one.

Jesus Christ is a prophet of this principle. He stands as the Son of God and he directs that everyone else is too through lessons that the next person is the self.

A vision of Jesus properly comprehended and / or an understanding of "Christ" then, is seeing and understanding all from the greatest vantage point in one fell swoop. Those said people included.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Evans

Mohammed, Moses, Buddha, Ganesha are Christ. They share the Christ consciousness as everyone else does as fragments of a single unit in the "Sonship". The "Son" is one.

Jesus Christ is a prophet of this principle. He stands as the Son of God and he directs that everyone else is too through lessons that the next person is the self.

A vision of Jesus properly comprehended and / or an understanding of "Christ" then, is seeing and understanding all from the greatest vantage point in one fell swoop. Those said people included.

Thanks Daniel and please don't think I'm being rude but can I assume you're particularly religious minded? I don't say that in a rude way, I genuinely ask because I don't wish my question to offend.

Are you saying that all of them are the same entity in human form at various times?

I ask as Ganesha is one of many Hindu Gods and it has an elephants head. I mentioned Ganesha as it would appear Ganesha has visited my back garden in the form of a Clematis Montana on top of a dead tree trunk this year.

Well, I think it looks like an elephant.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Thanks Daniel and please don't think I'm being rude but can I assume you're particularly religious minded? I don't say that in a rude way, I genuinely ask because I don't wish my question to offend.

It was only just over a year ago I replied to a post in a thread relating to alien life where I stated that it was foolish to consider there's no alien life in such an expansive universe, and in response to that I was questioned (for some reason) if I was an athiest and I instinctively replied "Of course I am", but my viewpoint took a turn.

(As a footnote to that, believing in alien life doesn't nullify a belief in God any more than belief in science does. All is one within creation). The Parker Brothers wrote the rules for Monopoly.

Over the past year or so I've learned more than I could have ever wished for having been on a quest for some basis of understanding.

I don't follow any religions to the last letter. I've looked at the principles of a good few and I've drawn my own conclusions. Some depictions of religion are so far fetched and far removed from the truth (that I beleive) I completely understand why many people can't grasp the concepts that I follow.

Are you saying that all of them are the same entity in human form at various times?

I ask as Ganesha is one of many Hindu Gods and it has an elephants head.

I meant everyone is "Christ". Those people (bar Genesha) aren't different from anyone else in the essence that they carry. The only differences are their projections of their ego.

* "Christ" or "Christ Conciousness" is just a term given the the inner essence we all have named after Jesus Christ (the man) who brought it to light. It always existed regardless of terminology.

Jesus was a man who just had close to 100% invested in the essence and little in the ego-self. The principle is that once a person reacquaints with the true essence of what they actually are, they actively will themselves back to that place where that essence belongs and equaly it welcomes it with an a form of gravitational pull which resolves the unit of "one" self.

Going deeper and to risk over complicating; on the basis that "heaven" is timeless and it resides in eternity, this amalgamation has already occured, it always has been and always will be and it's only up to you to recognise the truth, perish (flesh and blood) and become as one with the source. Because of the eternal state, everyone else (fragments of you) is already there. You are therefore being summoned by the totality of you to return back to yourself.

Ganesha isn't flesh and blood as you point out, however this "God" is actually a representation of one element in a group of catalysts that meld man with God - or as close to as possible on this plane. It's therefore an element within the "Christ conciousness", or an upper level deity if you will.

In reference to the kabalistic sefirot (tree of life diagram below), wisdom (Ganesha being the God of Wisdom) is the first element beneath God (Crown). Ganesha is a but a form given to that branch in the tree - all elements of which, properly comprehended, complete the circuit of the Christ Conciousness.

* "Kingdom" denotes a person with clear Christ conciousness (risiding in Heaven on Earth).

In the same respect, given that everyone is you, Ghandi, Muhammad, Moses, Buddha are symbols of your own wisdom much like Ganesha.

I mentioned Ganesha as it would appear Ganesha has visited my back garden in the form of a Clematis Montana on top of a dead tree trunk this year.

Well, I think it looks like an elephant.

It does indeed! Mighty fine tree and clearly a place for worship!

(Pictures you kneeling in your garden in the dark on your knees at 2am...)

Just don't swing from it's head. That would be sacrelidge...

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Evans

I meant everyone is "Christ". Those people (bar Genesha) isn't different from anyone else in the essence that they carry. The only difference is their projections of their ego - their false, manufactured self.

* "Christ" or "Christ Conciousness" is just a term given the the inner essence we all have named after Jesus Christ (the man) who brought it to light. It always existed regardless of terminology.

Jesus was a man who just had close to 100% invested in the essence and little in the ego-self. The principle is that once a person reacquaints with the true essence of what they actually are, they actively will themselves back to that place where that essence belongs and equaly it welcomes it with an a form of gravitational pull which resolves the unit of "one" self.

Going deeper and to risk over complicating; on the basis that "heaven" is timeless and it resides in eternity, this amalgamation has already occured, it always has been and always will be and it's only up to you to recognise the truth, perish (flesh and blood) and become as one with the source. Because of the eternal state, everyone else (fragments of you) is already there. You are therefore being summoned by the totality of you to return back to yourself.

* "Kingdom" denotes a person with clear Christ conciousness (risiding in Heaven on Earth).

It does indeed! Mighty fine tree and clearly a place for worship!

(Pictures you kneeling in your garden in the dark on your knees at 2am...)

Just don't swing from it's head. That would be sacrelidge...

WOW, the skeptics will be spining in their graves with that post!

But, spot on, I have recognized that source of power, and am understanding it more and more, but it isn't easy to get the ego out of the way! :rolleyes:

I certainly expect this to be my last spin on the wheel, Relief!

And l do feel sorry for individuals who dismiss all this, and accept that what is in front of our eyes is all their is!

They are seriously holding themselves back and unfortunately others, who won't accept this philosophy.

So, much so, it will probably take a good couple of lives to get it, or balance out Karma!

I know that there is no, judgement, but having to go through all this a few more times, sucks, to put it mildly! :rolleyes:

Shane

PS l hope that the mods lay off this thread, it is always good to see the skeptics squirm! He, he!

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

WOW, the skeptics will be spining in their graves with that post!

PS l hope that the mods lay off this thread, it is always good to see the skeptics squirm! He, he!

I am both spinning in my grave, and squirming right now.
Another correct prediction.

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tagiscom 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I am both spinning in my grave, and squirming right now.
Another correct prediction.

Eeek, that was a figure of speech! :rolleyes:

I would have settled with spinning and squirming! He, he! :p

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10 years ago

Hi Daniel,

I'm not going to go into the rest of your post. It was extremely well written and I enjoyed reading it enormously.

I have a great deal of interest in Buddhism and meditation and have for a long time. A great deal of what you say relates to their belief in oneness where we are all one energy and we are all 'God'.

Thank you very much for taking the time to explain that. I don't think it'll sway sceptics like Shane would like, nor do I think it proves anything but it is deeply interesting and I do understand exactly what you're saying there. I may need a few minutes to understand the tree of life but you've certainly giving me something very interesting to look at and I'm very grateful.

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It does indeed! Mighty fine tree and clearly a place for worship!

(Pictures you kneeling in your garden in the dark on your knees at 2am...)

Just don't swing from it's head. That would be sacrelidge...

It's quite odd. Like I said the tree is long dead. It's just a ten foot stump with a branch. The Clematis has been growing on it for about 10 years but this year just decided to become an elephant. Quite remarkable even if you just look at it and admire the beauty.

Sadly most of the time I'm up at 2am I'm inebriated so there is a possibility I could try and swing from the trunk but I won't.

Oddly, I thoroughly enjoy sitting outside there after work each day and reading my book. I have never done that in previous years. Whether it's the sheer beauty and the jolly nice smell of the Clematis or something deeper I don't know but in previous years I've always avoided sitting there, the tree as I say is long dead and I've always worried it'll fall on me. This year I haven't thought about it.

I'm just hoping Lord Ganesha isn't trying to lure me close to the tree and then drop it on my unsuspecting head.

Thank you Daniel, that was a refreshing read.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by AaronJones

Here is a site debunking that movie. Heaven Is For Real But The Movie Is Not

Hallucinations from lack of oxygen. etc are the likely explanation.

From same site Do near death experiences reveal truth about the spiritual world? | Is Heaven For Real?

After a brief scan of the Debunking site it appears that the base reasoning of the debunkery is that the Boys story is contradictory to specific things in the Bible.

The obvious hole there being, the assumption that the Bible is true....and the best your ever going to get with the truthfulness of the Bible is "Belief" or "Opinion"

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alistair

10 years ago

Strange. My route into work passes by my Grandads bungalow and it was really strange this morning because as I passed by I spotted him standing at his bedroom window, and when he saw me he gave me a wave as he's always done. There's nothing really strange about that as it is, it's just that he passed away about 10 years ago.

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10 years ago

I saw the movie and it was interesting how the little boy during the operation saw his father angrily shouting at God in one room and could also see his what his mother was doing in another room. The boy's spirit left his body during the operation and was hovering above before he went to heaven. Both his parent's wondered how he would have this knowledge when he was on the operating table the whole time.

In heaven he saw his sister who had died during a miscarriage. His parents never told him about that sister so his mother knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that her son went to heaven when this little boy told her about the sister coming up to him in heaven and introducing herself.

The little boy also met a man in heaven that his father called "Pop". This man was his father's grandfather and the little boy could recognize him from a picture that his father had.

There are so many more details in the book, so I encourage you to read that book and go to the movie also.

Heaven is for Real !!!

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Unity96387

I saw the movie and it was interesting how the little boy during the operation saw his father angrily shouting at God in one room and could also see his what his mother was doing in another room. The boy's spirit left his body during the operation and was hovering above before he went to heaven. Both his parent's wondered how he would have this knowledge when he was on the operating table the whole time.

In heaven he saw his sister who had died during a miscarriage. His parents never told him about that sister so his mother knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that her son went to heaven when this little boy told her about the sister coming up to him in heaven and introducing herself.

The little boy also met a man in heaven that his father called "Pop". This man was his father's grandfather and the little boy could recognize him from a picture that his father had.

There are so many more details in the book, so I encourage you to read that book and go to the movie also.

Heaven is for Real !!!

I would love to see it, I've heard of people having OBEs while on the operating table, or have died briefly and brought back to life recounting their experiences of being in Heaven or hell.
Some have become believers as a result where prior to that they we atheists or agnostics..makes you wander.

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Originally Posted by Mikaedi

I would love to see it, I've heard of people having OBEs while on the operating table, or have died briefly and brought back to life recounting their experiences of being in Heaven or hell.
Some have become believers as a result where prior to that they we atheists or agnostics..makes you wander.

It'd be good to read through this thread though because there have been some very interesting theories on both sides. I'm not saying you haven't either.

You made a point I was thinking about though. I've never in all my years heard of anyone saying they passed away and went to hell. It's always heaven. Being that some go to hell, who meets them there?

I'm not even remotely challenging you here but do you have any links to that? I'm quite intrigued.

EDIT I did find this and I've no idea of it's credibility. I stopped early though when I read about Matthew Botsford who was shot and went to hell during his 27 day coma. I quote...

Botsford wrote in A Day in Hell, an account of what he experienced in the underworld during the 27-day coma that followed the shooting.

Is one not still alive in a coma? If he was brain dead, I doubt he'd have made a comeback and written a best selling book. I did read the rest in the end but as I said, just because it's on the binternet doesn't mean it's true. I was just interested in the going to hell as well as heaven bit.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...e-say-yes.html

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Originally Posted by Richard Van

EDIT I did find this and I've no idea of it's credibility. I stopped early though when I read about Matthew Botsford who was shot and went to hell during his 27 day coma. I quote...

I keep reading posts where they are making this a religious thing. When you are in a coma, you are just unconscious. You dream. Sometimes those dreams are nice...sometimes not.

How many times has someone dreamed that they were in heaven...without being in a coma? How many times has someone dreamed they were in hell, without being in a coma?

These make for good stories. What about the people that are in a coma, and dream that they are in a grocery store, or driving a car, or playing with a dog? Where are their stories?

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

These make for good stories. What about the people that are in a coma, and dream that they are in a grocery store, or driving a car, or playing with a dog? Where are their stories?

Exactly, I don't see what being in a coma has to do with dying and going to heaven or hell.

I just suppose when they wake up and say, "I saw Beelzebub", the nurses and orderlies get a bit more excited than if some one said "My god, I died and I was surrounded by carrots".

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Originally Posted by Richard Van

Hi Daniel,

I'm not going to go into the rest of your post. It was extremely well written and I enjoyed reading it enormously.

I have a great deal of interest in Buddhism and meditation and have for a long time. A great deal of what you say relates to their belief in oneness where we are all one energy and we are all 'God'.
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Thanks Richard.

It's said all roads lead to the same "house" (metaphor for both Heaven and "Heaven on Earth" i.e harmony), so ultimately whatever road a person chooses through whatever religion is following the course to the same desired end. You could have a cup of coffee represent the same principle. The motives and principles of understanding are all that's relevant.

The most important aspect is shifting the ego-self from a position of dominance to attain clear vision. Once that's achieved a person is able to walk the path to that "house". This is depicted in The Bible through the healing of the blind man and the cripple.

....Admitedly though, I haven't read past Genesis!

I'm actually working my way towards The Torah after covering some the Kabbalistic material I'm currently reading.

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And l do feel sorry for individuals who dismiss all this, and accept that what is in front of our eyes is all their is!
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Dismissing it is perfectly fine.

Burdening oneself with the role of perpetually naysaying is something else entirely.

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Burdening oneself with the role of perpetually naysaying is something else entirely.

It's no burden, really. And you're wrong. Do I say nay to everything posted? Nay.

Am I arguing with every idea offered on every subject? Nay.

Do I argue for the sake of arguing? Nay.

See? When was the last time you've heard me say "Nay"?

You young kids nowadays.

And I don't say "Nay" to everything perpetually.

This morning, my wife asked if I wanted tea. And I said "Nah".

See? It isn't always "Nay".

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I'm afraid your in danger of turning into a donkey!

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  I'm afraid your in danger of turning into a donkey!
  
  Come back when your more Stable.
  
  Hahaha!
  
  This is the image that popped into my head when I read that
  
  and then it changed to that smile on Claude's face!
  
  Where is Shane when I need his Photoshopping skills?
  
  Huh? Oh, Hey Claude! I'm sorry.
  
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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

It's no burden, really. And you're wrong. Do I say nay to everything posted? Nay.

Am I arguing with every idea offered on every subject? Nay.

Do I argue for the sake of arguing? Nay.

See? When was the last time you've heard me say "Nay"?

You young kids nowadays.

And I don't say "Nay" to everything perpetually.

This morning, my wife asked if I wanted tea. And I said "Nah".

See? It isn't always "Nay".

Intriguing you should elect yourself as the subject.

A horse you proclaim? Why, the apparent, albeit disturbing thought of you short circuiting your metaphorical motherboard with cascades of tears still shines so prominently....

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I'm just waiting to watch it.

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Originally Posted by lanfear63

Now, I do actually entertain the idea of continuance after death (due to having had some extraordinary, unexplainable experiences) and that these dimensions possibly exist.

However, consensus of opinion and alleged reportage about them indicate that they can appear as whatever you would like them to look like and be the most comfortable with seeing. Either that or the boy was attracted to an area of it that others had collectively created.

So the little boy would gravitate to seeing a personification of whatever indoctrination and belief system he had been exposed too most in life. While he would see one thing, others of a different persuasion would see a different deity. Possibly made up by the collective thought manipulation and desires of others.

Well that is true to a point, but if heaven is a real place then just like in the Robbin Williams movie, what you want to see has to be replaced by reality!

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Why didn't the boy meet Mohammed, Moses, Buddha, Ganesha?

Why Jesus?

Shane, I don't get into the sceptic/believer debates but as someone who stands and watches with endless buckets of popcorn, one could argue that your entrenched belief in believing is just as fanatical as the sceptics in debunking?

Just saying and I really hate saying, 'just saying' so sorry about that.

Niah, that is alright! :rolleyes:

You could say that, but what l have witnessed goes beyond, fanaticism!

I go by first hand experience, not wanting to believe something for the sake of it!

Big difference!

If l come across evidence that shows that one of my ingrained beliefs are wrong, l won't dismiss it or forget about it, or assume the individual is insane, etc, etc, etc.

I want to base my beliefs on facts, or first hand experience, or experimentation!

Not...

Flimsy or niched evidence presented by individuals that don't believe in the subject matter because they have found other ways to do it.

Or see obvious evidence and dismiss it as something else!

See a quacking duck and say, l don't know what it is? Or say the duck is a pink elephant!

It is amazing to see the length's some will go to, to dismiss available evidence, so their beliefs stay intact; me l will believe anything if good supportive evidence is available, or l have witnessed or experienced things that support those beliefs!

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Originally Posted by tagiscom

Niah, that is alright! :rolleyes:

You could say that, but what l have witnessed goes beyond, fanaticism

Forgive me Shane, I'm not sure fanatic was the right word for either side really, just my choice of words.

I go by first hand experience, not wanting to believe something for the sake of it!

Big difference!

If l come across evidence that shows that one of my ingrained beliefs are wrong, l won't dismiss it or forget about it, or assume the individual is insane, etc, etc, etc.

I appreciate that and I can't say you haven't had those experiences. I haven't personally and I am (I like to think) a fairly logical person. I tend to keep an open mind. I really don't know what is or isn't when it comes to dying.

I'll find out one day though.

See a quacking duck and say, l don't know what it is? Or say the duck is a pink elephant!

If I ever get to the states to go drinking with Claude and Riffle, I suspect ducks might well become pink elephants and all the women will look like models.

It is amazing to see the length's some will go to, to dismiss available evidence, so their beliefs stay intact; me l will believe anything if good supportive evidence is available, or l have witnessed or experienced things that support those beliefs!

I can see your point, I really can. I'm only saying in this case that it may or may not be true. Books, films and making money shouldn't go in the same sentence as Heaven.

I'm not saying Heaven or an afterlife don't exist, I'm just saying this story may or may not be true. Either way, It's an interesting and enjoyable story.

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I haven't seen the movie, but this is a subject I've studied pretty extensively and there are two nagging facts that always stand out...

1. The people who experience this always have these experience in their own religion. You never hear of a Christian meeting Buddha, a Muslim meeting Jesus, or a native american meeting Allah. Their NDE's are always consistent with the religious beliefs they have going in.

2. The experience can be duplicated with drugs that block the oxygen receptors in the brain.

As for "knowing things they couldn't have known", the human mind is a powerful thing. There was a recent story about a guy who got hit in the head and when he came to he suddenly had complex mathematical and geometric abilities he didn't have before, and a CT scan revealed he was accessing parts of his brain that people don't normally use. I can't remember whether I had lunch yesterday or not, but I can still recite entire Shakespearean works I had to memorize in high school. Heck, my kids sometimes say things that they "couldn't have known", like how my wife's grandfather (who passed away long before my kids were ever born) would pick an orange off a tree in his yard in the morning. We haven't told them any of this stuff, but it's entirely possible they came across a photo or overheard a conversation while spending a weekend at their grandparents and don't consciously remember how they acquired the knowledge.

Schizophrenics can create entire fictional characters in their minds that, to them, are as real as you and me. A woman with dementia can look at her 80 year old husband and literally see him as the strapping young 20 year old he was when they first met.

Until dead people start posting status updates on Facebook, I don't think we'll ever really know.

(Sidebar ... I have an app configured in the event of my death to do exactly that. The first post: "Wow, they have Facebook up here!". I'll be contributing to social media with daily updates for at least a year after I kick the bucket. You will never be rid of me!)

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I never understand why people are so anxious to "disprove" the existence of heaven or alternate realities or whatever. What do you gain if you justify to yourself that it couldn't happen? You can't truly "study" something where the proof doesn't exist.

I know the theories of "oxygen deprivation" creating the "heavenly images" but no one has explained how different brains would have the same images if those were "random firings" of cells in the brain.

My ex and I stared at each other in shock years ago when our just-turned-3 grandson had fallen into the pond on my ex's property and had gotten out of the water and up the steep bank before we could reach him.

The child said a big police dog called 'pride' pulled him from the water.

Pryde was the name of the German Shepherd who was my son's watch dog for many years. He was part of our family and died of old age 20 years before my Grandson was born.

My Grandmother (in Indiana) called my dorm room (in Virginia) and asked my roommate if I was "all right". The call came minutes after I was thrown from a horse - and before anyone knew I had been thrown. To me that was normal because it happened so many times as I was growing up.

I'm a practical and analytical person but I've come to realize there are things I don't understand and can't explain. And that's OK.

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I never understand why people are so anxious to "disprove" the existence of heaven or alternate realities or whatever. What do you gain if you justify to yourself that it couldn't happen? You can't truly "study" something where the proof doesn't exist.

I know the theories of "oxygen deprivation" creating the "heavenly images" but no one has explained how different brains would have the same images if those were "random firings" of cells in the brain.

My ex and I stared at each other in shock years ago when our just-turned-3 grandson had fallen into the pond on my ex's property and had gotten out of the water and up the steep bank before we could reach him.

The child said a big police dog called 'pride' pulled him from the water.

Pryde was the name of the German Shepherd who was my son's watch dog for many years. He was part of our family and died of old age 20 years before my Grandson was born.

My Grandmother (in Indiana) called my dorm room (in Virginia) and asked my roommate if I was "all right". The call came minutes after I was thrown from a horse - and before anyone knew I had been thrown. To me that was normal because it happened so many times as I was growing up.

I'm a practical and analytical person but I've come to realize there are things I don't understand and can't explain. And that's OK.

Yeah, l agree, a skeptic that doesn't believe in an afterlife, see's nothing, and someone who does, does see something paranormal.

And that is fine, unless the skeptic try's to prove to people sitting on the fence that he is right and anyone else who has experienced weird stuff, that they didn't see anything out of the ordinary!

Or are insane, or take drugs, blah, blah, blah, anything except what they saw!!!!!!

That in turn really p**** off the person who witnessed the event, becuase they really did see what they saw, as you did!

Maybe l should find some books on why skeptics ignore credible evidence so fervently? :rolleyes:

The human ego, might be the main cause?

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I don't think it's ego - I think it's a form of security.

Admitting there are things that exist "beyond your ken" means giving up an illusion that you are in charge of the organization of your life and control what happens to you. That is uncomfortable for many of us.

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I don't think it's ego - I think it's a form of security.

Admitting there are things that exist "beyond your ken" means giving up an illusion that you are in charge of the organization of your life and control what happens to you. That is uncomfortable for many of us.

Yes, good point! But seriously is it really going to make a difference?

I mean how the planets are situated does effect our emotional life's, but it doesn't stop us from doing what we want to do, it just slows us down, or makes us more emotional, or more angry or depressed, or elated, etc. But only on a suttle level.

But l suppose seeing someone else, so they can say this will happen or that will, could annoy them a bit!

Unfortunately brute force will only get you so far in this life before it catches up with you!

The second last reading l had, she told me things l didn't want to hear, but unfortunately they came true, eventhough l thought that she was conning me, at the time.

I have worked and tried about as hard as anyone could try to achieve certain things, but they won't happen until the right time happens.

This has occurred so often that planetary alignments cannot be ignored!

So l will achieve my goals, but only on the universes clock!

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Originally Posted by Kay King

I don't think it's ego - I think it's a form of security.

Admitting there are things that exist "beyond your ken" means giving up an illusion that you are in charge of the organization of your life and control what happens to you. That is uncomfortable for many of us.

Kay; I think I can answer the question "Why do skeptics refuse to accept these stories?"

Let's apply this to you.

Think of some belief that many people have, that you think is nonsense. It doesn't matter what it is. it can be about gambling, some spiritual belief, an alternative medicine claim, UFOs, Bigfoot, Crystals, Atlantis, Numerology, Palmistry, Astrology.....any one belief that others have, that you have absolutely no belief in. Please think of one. If you have strong beliefs in everything I just mentioned, that's OK...think of something else.
Don't tell us what it is, because it will start an argument.

In no way am I trying to tell you what that thing is. But think of a belief that many people have ...that you see as nonsense.

Please don't tell me that there isn't anything that some people believe, that you see as nonsense. That wouldn't be true.

Got it in your mind?

Now...why don't you believe that thing?

Is it because of ego? No.

Is it because you are afraid of giving up an illusion that you are in charge of the organization of your life and control what happens to you? No.

Is it because you feel insecure? No.

Is it because you were damaged as a child? Or frightened of what you might find? No.

Is it because the people who have that belief know more than you?

(Think about your answer to that one for a second)

That nonsensical belief that you don't share? There are people that believe it with all their hearts. It is real to them. Maybe they meet regularly, telling each other stories of how their belief is proven. They talk about how their lives are better because of this belief. They tell you stories of direct experience, and they see it as proof. They would get angry with you, if they knew that you thought their idea was frivolous. They would feel insulted. They would argue. They would call you a skeptic, as though it were an insult. They would tell you to "Open your mind"....and they would tell you that it's arrogance to think you know more than they do. Some of them will even tell you that they feel sorry for you......

And yet. There it is, a silly belief, that you see as nonsense.

And the believers will tell you why you don't accept their "proof". And they will always be wrong. Because it's impossible for someone to know why someone doesn't believe in, what they believe in.

If you have really done this little exercise...that's a peek into how I see the world. Not that you asked.

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While that is typical, there are NDEs that don't fit that pattern. I've read NDE accounts from atheists and agnostics who encountered a being they believed was a religious figure.

Dennis; There are different kinds of Atheists. Some are really Nullifidians , and just have no religious beliefs. Some are militant...and think about religion all the time. They are closer to believers than skeptics. And there are atheists who see religious figures, when their brains are going through the trauma of a near death experience. In fact, in the very few examples of "Atheist turned believer" I've read about, this is a common cause.

Remember, we are hard wired through evolution (as a survival mechanism) to see anthropomorphic beings as existing outside our senses. Sometimes trauma activates that effect. Few people are frightened or traumatized into non-belief.

The question, I have to ask myself....is....
If I had a near death experience, and thought I saw a deity...and it was crystal clear to me...would I become a believer?

I don't know. I don't think so, but I don't know.

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Because it's impossible for someone to know why someone doesn't believe in, what they believe in.

Maybe - but if I believe something it doesn't mean you have to believe it, too. If you believe something I think is nonsense - that's your problem as it's not up to me to prove it's nonsense. All I have to know is what I believe...others can do as they please.

If I had a near death experience, and thought I saw a deity...and it was crystal clear to me...would I become a believer?

Maybe, or may just a questioner or maybe a believer in something other than standardized religion.

Or maybe you were looking in a mirror and YOU are the deity. Nah, that one isn't believable....

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Maybe - but if I believe something it doesn't mean you have to believe it, too. If you believe something I think is nonsense - that's your problem as it's not up to me to prove it's nonsense. All I have to know is what I believe...others can do as they please.

Absolutely. I was just trying to show that believers who try to tell me why I (or others) don't believe...are wrong. And I thought you could identify with that.

When I saw this post....

Originally Posted by Kay King

I don't think it's ego - I think it's a form of security.

Admitting there are things that exist "beyond your ken" means giving up an illusion that you are in charge of the organization of your life and control what happens to you. That is uncomfortable for many of us.

.....I felt like you were talking to me, and I wanted to respond.

I was also curious as to your response to my last post.

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Or maybe you were looking in a mirror and YOU are the deity. Nah, that one isn't believable....

Clever...Riffle liked it. It took a minute for me to figure out what you meant. It really was very "Riffle like".

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Clever...Riffle liked it. It took a minute for me to figure out what you meant. It really was very "Riffle like".

Do you realize you just called Riffle clever? He'll never let you forget it. He owns you now.

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