Im Starting to Understand Mark Cubans Comment about being a "Slippery Slope" in Donald Sterling Case

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First of all IMO Sterling really got what should be coming to him. The NBA really does not need a Business Partner who is just so blatantly a hater of others in this context.

That being said I have to agree with Cuban about this whole Topic and the Actions of the NBA's Lifetime ban of Sterling.

Here is the thing. Where does this all stop ? How far do we take it ?

I see where Sterlings' wife is now being attacked today for a couple of disparaging comments she made years ago about a certain group of people who were tenants.

Okay fair enough you say !

Well, if we really want to go there and root out all haters and people who have really racist attitudes and behaviors then we have go the whole nine yards.


For instance, as many of you know the Clippers are getting a number of bids from prospective buyers like Oprah and Magic. And another one of those Bidders is going to be Floyd Mayweather.

Well, anyone who knows about boxing and keeps up with it knows that Mayweather is a notorious Racist.

There is just NO denying this.

Example. " Mayweather referred to Pacquiao as a midget several times and said that once he beats his rival (if the fight ever happens), he will force Pacquiao to 'make some sushi rolls and cook some rice.' He also said 'we're going to cook him with some cats and dogs.'

Mayweather also went on about Jeremy Lin and how he was touted so highly last year just because he is Asian. He said if he was Black he would be looked on as just another NBA Basketball player.

There are other numerous rantings by Mayweather showing his true racist colors.

Which this all just kind of affirms Cubans diatribe.

But do we turn the other way because Mayweather is a Minority and so his remarks and ideologies are somehow and someway excusable ? What a injustice if Mayweather became a part owner of the Clippers.

This would be a slap in the face of what has happened in the last few days. And demean its significance

To me it is kind of like that old saying , "Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it "

Like I said where are we prepared to stop with this ? Or better put, how far is the NBA and America willing to take this ? It is already started and you really cannot stop it now. You know the Poker mantra " Im all in ". Well, kind of seems that way here.


I mean should we now ban Jay- Z from being part Owner of the Nets because he refers to White people in his Music as Crack*rs and Women as H*es and B*tches?? ( I have a strong suspicion that if Cuban or Daniel Snyder were to make a song and with similar racial/sexist slurs they would be boycotted and driven out of their business)

Maybe this is not comparable ? But maybe it is ?

Just something to think about
  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    He doesn't want his girlfriend to be seen with black people. Other than being a strange thing to be concerned about, I just don't get all the excitement.

    All of us have an unreasonable dislike for someone. He didn't shout this, naked from the rooftops. It was a private conversation. Who among us hasn't said something even more ridiculous? More unfair? I certainly have.

    It was a private conversation, that got recorded. Was it a stupid thought? In my opinion, yes. But I've heard far worse. And I am amazed at the fake outrage this has generated.

    I'm white. And if a black billionaire said "I don't want you to take a picture with Claude, because he's white", I would think that it was a strange thing to say, but I wouldn't be demanding a lynching.

    And the reporters have to ask question, and show fake concern...and fake anger over what someone said.

    I think I get it. He's rich. Our fake outrage is a way to get back at a rich guy. If one of us would have said the same thing, it wouldn't have even made the local news.

    How many 80 year old men have a prejudice? Most. And it dies with them.

    How weak do you have to be for a stupid comment to ruin your life?
    If he owns the team, and you don't like what he said? Quit.

    All this crying and gnashing of teeth, over this non-event is so revealing about how most of us think with a mob instinct.

    In doesn't matter. In three days, a congressman will say something stupid, and then everyone will be fake outraged about that.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      All this crying and gnashing of teeth, over this non-event is so revealing about how most of us think with a mob instinct.
      Here is the thing about a Mob instinct......once it happens and you display your so called
      'passionate convictions' you need to follow through with those 'passionate convictions' and be consistent with them from there on out. Otherwise you really minimize the the value of those convictions

      I am hoping I will see this in the Sterling case and be a witness of different groups of people being called out on Social Injustice and Prejudicial issues( because believe me it is there)

      Can't have your cake and eat it too
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Here is the thing about a Mob instinct......once it happens and you display your so called
        'passionate convictions' you need to follow through with those 'passionate convictions' and be consistent with them from there on out. Otherwise you really minimize the the value of those convictions

        I am hoping I will see this in the Sterling case and be a witness of different groups of people being called out on Social Injustice and Prejudicial issues( because believe me it is there)

        Can't have your cake and eat it too
        Yesterday, Senator Ed Markey (D-Mass.) started fighting to create a government office to define and search the internet for "hate speech" on the internet. So I guess you may gt your wish. Yet ANOTHER way to hurt the internet!

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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          Yesterday, Senator Ed Markey (D-Mass.) started fighting to create a government office to define and search the internet for "hate speech" on the internet. So I guess you may gt your wish. Yet ANOTHER way to hurt the internet!

          Steve
          Hey Steve,
          Not sure if is best to described what I want as a wish. I just think we need to be consistent in approaching issues like social injustices. We cannot just throw the book at one particular group of people whose behavior is questionable and then turn the other cheek when something similar is being committed by another group.
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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      He doesn't want his girlfriend to be seen with black people. Other than being a strange thing to be concerned about, I just don't get all the excitement.

      All of us have an unreasonable dislike for someone. He didn't shout this, naked from the rooftops. It was a private conversation. Who among us hasn't said something even more ridiculous? More unfair? I certainly have.

      It was a private conversation, that got recorded. Was it a stupid thought? In my opinion, yes. But I've heard far worse. And I am amazed at the fake outrage this has generated.

      I'm white. And if a black billionaire said "I don't want you to take a picture with Claude, because he's white", I would think that it was a strange thing to say, but I wouldn't be demanding a lynching.

      And the reporters have to ask question, and show fake concern...and fake anger over what someone said.

      I think I get it. He's rich. Our fake outrage is a way to get back at a rich guy. If one of us would have said the same thing, it wouldn't have even made the local news.

      How many 80 year old men have a prejudice? Most. And it dies with them.

      How weak do you have to be for a stupid comment to ruin your life?
      If he owns the team, and you don't like what he said? Quit.

      All this crying and gnashing of teeth, over this non-event is so revealing about how most of us think with a mob instinct.

      In doesn't matter. In three days, a congressman will say something stupid, and then everyone will be fake outraged about that.
      The NBA reserves the right to ban him. The NBA has a large pool of African American talent and it is just bad publicity for them when something like this comes out. Bad for business if they don't do anything.

      The reaction from American people seems disproportionate to me. He has a personal opinion - a rather stupid one - but it's just an opinion after all. I'm sure no impressionable American kid would hear that comment and think, "The owner of the Clippers doesn't what his wife to be seen with a black guy. Maybe I should stop hanging out with them too." And it's not like he said this at a press conference. I saw a picture of a white kid (a Clippers fan apparently) holding a banner saying that the Clippers need a owner who is not a racist in the paper today. He clearly looked outraged.

      There certainly was less outrage when the Senator said that pregnancy resulting from rape is God's will.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post

        The NBA reserves the right to ban him. The NBA has a large pool of African American talent and it is just bad publicity for them when something like this comes out. Bad for business if they don't do anything..
        I get that. I know nothing about sports, but I get the publicity thing.

        It's when I see all "news" shows faking outrage at whatever the daily insult is.

        In fact, it's so ridiculous, that if a news commentator doesn't grit their teeth, and look all hurt, they come off an callous and unfeeling. After all, you can't be the only talk show host that isn't incensed.


        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Not many people thought about forgiving Sterling - at least not publicly.
        TL; You assume that he needs forgiven. He said a stupid thing. He didn't say it to you. He didn't say it to me. He didn't say it to his team, or their fans. If he should apologize to anyone, it would be his girlfriend. She's the one he said it to, in private.

        Maybe she should apologize for costing her boyfriend 2.5 million, and a sports team.

        If I said something as stupid, in private, and it was recorded...and played on TV...and I was asked if I want forgiveness...I would laugh.

        Man, what a nation of whiners.

        Watch, someone will sue him for "Mental anguish".
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I get that. I know nothing about sports, but I get the publicity thing.

          It's when I see all "news" shows faking outrage at whatever the daily insult is.

          In fact, it's so ridiculous, that if a news commentator doesn't grit their teeth, and look all hurt, they come off an callous and unfeeling. After all, you can't be the only talk show host that isn't incensed.




          TL; You assume that he needs forgiven. He said a stupid thing. He didn't say it to you. He didn't say it to me. He didn't say it to his team, or their fans. If he should apologize to anyone, it would be his girlfriend. She's the one he said it to, in private.

          Maybe she should apologize for costing her boyfriend 2.5 million, and a sports team.

          If I said something as stupid, in private, and it was recorded...and played on TV...and I was asked if I want forgiveness...I would laugh.

          Man, what a nation of whiners.

          Watch, someone will sue him for "Mental anguish".
          He didn't say it to me but since I'm Black he said it about me, my family, and a whole lot of players also.

          I want his head - and not in my mouth.

          Mr. Sterling should have stayed off the slope.

          Mr. Snoop Dog echoed my sentiments in his response to Mr. Sterling's attitudes regarding me and people like me.

          Throw in who and what was said, a racial tolerance climate not like the pre civil rights days, 40 million black people plus 45 million Hispanics in America and their organizations ready to pounce on something like this, our friends, a potentially huge international image prob for the NBA and of course let's not forget the fourth estate, who's always hunting for a story and the very public nature of this story- in this "got ya" culture - and this is what you get in 21st century America.

          I was very surprised at how fast the sponsors withdrew their support as they didn't even wait for the NBA's findings before jumping ship.

          I waited for the NBA's findings.

          He has issued an apology.

          He may not want to be forgiven on a personal note and could care less what people think about him but...

          If he wants to hold on to his team and to not be looked at as some sort of pariah cave man by lots of people he needs to be forgiven by the public and that does not look like its gonna happen.

          The market and the players have spoken and the NBA team owners are listening.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            Mr. Snoop Dog echoed my sentiments in his response to Mr. Sterling's attitudes regarding me and people like me.
            TL, I agree with most of your post, except this. Maybe we heard different comments, but I don't appreciate Mr. Dog Poop's use of the racial slur "whitebread". Racism works both ways and there's no excuse for racial slurs of any kind, as it makes people think it's OK in some situations to use them.

            I understand his anger, but not his choice of words.
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            • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              TL, I agree with most of your post, except this.

              Maybe we heard different comments, but I don't appreciate Mr. Dog Poop's use of the racial slur "whitebread". Racism works both ways and there's no excuse for racial slurs of any kind, as it makes people think it's OK in some situations to use them.

              I understand his anger, but not his choice of words.
              I hear you Kurt and that's why I did not say Snoop's exact words.

              I wondered about the word "whitebread" and was told it meant a corney, bland, uptight type of person and the urban dictionary has a few different meanings and at least one of them can be racial and negative in its use.

              I'm sure if someone asked Snoop about it, he would say he meant one of the non-racial negative meanings. But I don't know one way or the other.

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                Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                I wondered about the word "whitebread" and was told it meant a corney, bland, uptight type of person and the urban dictionary has a few different meanings and at least one of them can be racial and negative in its use.

                I'm sure if someone asked Snoop about it, he would say he meant one of the non-racial negative meanings. But I don't know one way or the other.

                Urban Dictionary: whitebread
                There is no way to use whitebread when referring to white people and it not have a negative meaning.


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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Claude, Sterling is a slum lord who was sued by the justice department for housing discrimination. He settled for $2.7 million in what I believe is one of the largest settlements in a case of that type in history. The court transcripts have sworn testimonials saying he made racist remarks against black and hispanics including: "That's because of all the blacks in this building, they smell, they're not clean", "And it's because of all of the Mexicans that just sit around and smoke and drink all day.", "Is she one of those black people that stink? [...] Just evict the bitch". A potential coach for the Clippers says Sterling said to him when he came for an interview: "I wanna know why you think you can coach these n***ers".

          Housing discrimination is real and affects many people. People aren't faking outrage from what I can tell. What he said in the past and in these tapes is very offensive to most. Perhaps not you, but that doesn't make others "whiners".
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Claude, Sterling is a slum lord who was sued by the justice department for housing discrimination. He settled for $2.7 million in what I believe is one of the largest settlements in a case of that type in history. The court transcripts have sworn testimonials saying he made racist remarks against black and hispanics including: "That's because of all the blacks in this building, they smell, they're not clean", "And it's because of all of the Mexicans that just sit around and smoke and drink all day.", "Is she one of those black people that stink? [...] Just evict the bitch". A potential coach for the Clippers says Sterling said to him when he came for an interview: "I wanna know why you think you can coach these n***ers".

            Housing discrimination is real and affects many people. People aren't faking outrage from what I can tell. What he said in the past and in these tapes is very offensive to most. Perhaps not you, but that doesn't make others "whiners".
            So, he's a racist. And he says stupid things. The outrage we are now hearing about has nothing to do with his former stupid statements.

            This is all just my point of view. If the outage is real, then the people are easily offended. And I judge people by how much it takes to make them mad. Fair? Maybe not.. But apologizing, because you don't like someone?

            I have a sister in law that was drinking, and misunderstood something I said. She said "You are mean and cruel, and I don't like you". I accepted it as a fact.

            The next day, she told me she was sorry. I said "You're sorry that you don't like me?" . She said "No, I like you a lot". And I said "No, you don't. But at least I respected you for telling me the truth."

            Why can't you just say that you don't like someone?

            Backpedaling for saying something that you meant?

            Now, that I've made people think I'm a heartless jerk.....

            I get why he is now forced to sell the team. I get the business end of that.
            But I don't think in the way most do. I never take these things personally, and I'm incapable of understanding why someone would. That's a true statement, not a joke.

            And why hasn't someone mentioned that it's ironic that I showed fake outrage over the way the news media is treating Mr. Sterling?
            Couldn't you just feel my anger over something that had nothing to do with me? It was a joke, within a rant, within an opinion.

            Housing discrimination is unfair, and wrong. But that doesn't mean you have to like the people you rent to. Do you think I like all my customers? Or everyone here? Do you? I get the politics of it...the business. The PR.

            But it's "Outage of the day". Tomorrow it will be something else.
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            • Profile picture of the author discrat
              Gosh,you know I just wonder if sometime in a hundred or a thousand years from now they will come up with technology that would Record another person's thoughts without their consent.

              I dare say if that were the case that about 99% of us would not only be banned from a business or business partnership but we would be banned from civilization LOL
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                Gosh,you know I just wonder if sometime in a hundred or a thousand years from now they will come up with technology that would Record another person's thoughts without their consent.

                I dare say if that were the case that about 99% of us would not only be banned from a business or business partnership but we would be banned from civilization LOL

                My thought is that if everyone knew everything we did, we'd all be in jail. And if everyone knew everything we thought, we'd all be living in separate caves.

                I'm only half joking.
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                • Profile picture of the author discrat
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  My thought is that if everyone knew everything we did, we'd all be in jail. And if everyone knew everything we thought, we'd all be living in separate caves.

                  I'm only half joking.

                  Divorce rate would be near 90% or more
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                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  My thought is that if everyone knew everything we did, we'd all be in jail. And if everyone knew everything we thought, we'd all be living in separate caves.

                  I'm only half joking.
                  Well I must be 100% humor impaired then, because I think the comment is pretty accurate.
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            • Profile picture of the author discrat
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Now, that I've made people think I'm a heartless jerk.....

              I never take these things personally, and I'm incapable of understanding why someone would. That's a true statement, not a joke.

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            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              So, he's a racist...
              If the outage is real, then the people are easily offended. And I judge people by how much it takes to make them mad. Fair? Maybe not.. But apologizing, because you don't like someone?

              Why can't you just say that you don't like someone?
              Well Claude, this country has been a white supremacist country for almost it's entire existence. We had slavery for a few hundred of those years. We had Jim Crow laws and racial segregation for another hundred years. To you, a racist rich white guy who says stupid racist things isn't a big deal, nothing to be taken personally and if people are outraged they are just thin skinned it seems. To others, who perhaps see the big picture of history and where we are still at in this country, this one guy represents many, many more people like him in all sorts of positions in society. Sterling isn't just saying he doesn't like someone. That's a simplistic way of looking at it. He is putting down an entire race! The same race that has been on the wrong end of that slavery, segregation and Jim Crow laws for hundreds of years in this country.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                Claude Whitacre : Warrior's own resident Sociopath
                I'm highly fake-angered by you calling me a Sociopath. I'll a High Functioning Pro-Social Psychopath.


                We Psychopaths hate being grouped as Sociopaths. Sociopaths are such whiners (I knew I could figure out a place to use that word again)


                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                Sterling isn't just saying he doesn't like someone. That's a simplistic way of looking at it. He is putting down an entire race! The same race that has been on the wrong end of that slavery, segregation and Jim Crow laws for hundreds of years in this country.
                I get that, completely. And why would, what any one man says, bother us so much? What he said was moronic. When a moron calls you an asshole, do you get into a fight? I don't...because he's a moron.

                Of course, the black race has been on the wrong end of our society. Of course, it's all wrong. Of course, racism still exists.

                But when a moron calls you a name, or says that your race is evil, or bad, or less than human, or should be ignored...his position is moronic. And he's a moron. When a stupid person says something evil...it's a stupid person saying it.

                "I don't want you having your picture taken with black people". Is there really a stupider statement than that? If he said that directly to my face (or an equivalent statement), I would try to keep from laughing. But what do I care what he thinks? He's an old man with stupid ideas. If he weren't a billionaire, he'd be in a home, with the other racist ignorant 80 year olds.

                I just can't take what he said seriously. Old people say and think stupid shit. Why would it bother me?

                It's almost like he said "Don't touch Chinese people. They all have cooties". I mean it's like he's a child. Again, if he weren't a billionaire, nobody would care.

                It's just an observation,. And it's from someone who gives his comment no credence. The part of my brain that is offended by what an 80 year old delusional man may say...is missing.
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                • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  It's almost like he said "Don't touch Chinese people. They all have cooties". I mean it's like he's a child. Again, if he weren't a billionaire, nobody would care.

                  It's just an observation,. And it's from someone who gives his comment no credence. The part of my brain that is offended by what an 80 year old delusional man may say...is missing.
                  I get what you are saying also Claude. Yep, if he was just a guy in a senior home nobody would care. But the fact is he is a billionaire major sports team owner of a team that has primarily black players does seem to get people upset. You aren't offended but others are. Why is it wrong for them to be offended?
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                    Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                    I get what you are saying also Claude. Yep, if he was just a guy in a senior home nobody would care. But the fact is he is a billionaire major sports team owner of a team that has primarily black players does seem to get people upset. You aren't offended but others are. Why is it wrong for them to be offended?
                    Because it's false, PC crap. If you're 'offended' by what this gizmo said, it means that what he says is actually important to you. That his opinion counts in your scorebook. If it doesn't, then you aren't truly 'offended'. You're playing to the camera, to the PC crowd, to your 'enlightened' neighbors.

                    I don't care when snoopy dog calls me a whitebread cracker or whatever it is. His opinion means nothing to me. Thus, I am not offended. He can say whatever he wants to say. Furthermore, if I knew a white person who proclaimed to be offended by what he said, I would laugh in their face. Loudly.

                    Let the man have his opinion, however stupid it may be. He'll die in a while, and his opinions with him.
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                      Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

                      Because it's false, PC crap. If you're 'offended' by what this gizmo said, it means that what he says is actually important to you. That his opinion counts in your scorebook. If it doesn't, then you aren't truly 'offended'. You're playing to the camera, to the PC crowd, to your 'enlightened' neighbors.

                      I don't care when snoopy dog calls me a whitebread cracker or whatever it is. His opinion means nothing to me. Thus, I am not offended. He can say whatever he wants to say. Furthermore, if I knew a white person who proclaimed to be offended by what he said, I would laugh in their face. Loudly.

                      Let the man have his opinion, however stupid it may be. He'll die in a while, and his opinions with him.
                      Seriously! I can understand why people are upset. Frankly, with how he talks, I would never want to deal with him. But Heysal and SteveJohnson are right. His opinion doesn't matter. He HAS donated money to worthy causes, and I guess the players are happy with what THEY are paid. If things like this weren't made public, people would probably be HAPPY with him.

                      You know what I like about the metric system? If you have any one measurement, you can derive all the others! Say I only knew the size of one millimeter. I could multiply that by 10, and I would have a centimeter. I could make a cube that is 1cm on any side, fill it with water, and that is one milliliter of water. 1000 of those is a liter. If I froze the water, it would be 0 degrees, and boiling would raise it to 100. etc.... You get the idea.

                      Well, truth is the same way. If there is any truth to what people like him say, it is nice to know. THAT is what matters. The garbage will just fall off and, like everyone has said, will die with him.

                      On the OTHER hand, you won't change opinions by legislating, etc... It HAS been tried, in MANY countries. Heck, there is that old song talking about this that some sung in WWII.


                      I found one site that said THIS:

                      The Wondering Minstrels: Die Gedanken Sind Frei (Our Thoughts Are Free) -- Traditional

                      I first discovered this poem in what was my favourite book as a child: 'From
                      Anna' by Jean Little. It tells the story of a German family in the 1930s who
                      are digusted with Hitler and Nazism and leave the Fatherland for Canada.

                      This song was apparently very popular immediately before and during World
                      War II. At a time when all freedoms were being attacked, Germans clung to
                      the fact that their thoughts were still free. It was a source of hope in the
                      concentration camps and an weapon of defiance to the resistance. (In fact, I
                      found this translation on a website about the student protest group, The
                      White Rose).

                      The poem has a long history of protest. It can be traced back to the 12th
                      Century when the minstrel (!) Dietmar von Aist sang "Die Gedanken, die sind
                      ledig frei".

                      It appeared in its current form during the Peasant Wars of 1524-5, a series
                      of rural uprisings directed against unbearable taxation. Both Lutheran and
                      Catholic landlords cut the rebels down: Martin Luther himself condemned the
                      peasants. But they didn't really care -- after all, their thoughts were
                      still free.
                      So sterling may lose a lot of ways to make money, and lose the team, but he will still be VERY rich, and believe what he believes. And he still may be just as vocal.

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                    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                      Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

                      Because it's false, PC crap. If you're 'offended' by what this gizmo said, it means that what he says is actually important to you.
                      Hmm. So if someone is offended by a racist action or comment they are just being PC and false? :/ So nobody should ever be offended by what someone else says because it makes what they say important to them and they shouldn't care enough to get upset? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth by the way. Just trying to understand what you are saying because I could swear I have seen you get upset and/or irratated at what others have said right here in this forum.

                      It's interesting because I kind of get the impression that you and Claude may be more upset/offended at those who are offended by the racist old man than by what the racist old man said. Claude even says he judges people by how much it takes to get people offended. Why is it important to you guys what these other people say?

                      Let the man have his opinion, however stupid it may be. He'll die in a while, and his opinions with him.
                      Unfortunately there's many to take his place who are much younger. It kind of happens that way.
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                        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                        Hmm. So if someone is offended by a racist action or comment they are just being PC and false? :/
                        Mmm, yeah. Pretty much.

                        So nobody should ever be offended by what someone else says because it makes what they say important to them and they shouldn't care enough to get upset? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth by the way.
                        Again, yeah. Pretty much.

                        Just trying to understand what you are saying because I could swear I have seen you get upset and/or irratated at what others have said right here in this forum.
                        'Upset' and/or irritated is not the same as 'offended', especially in its currently over-used PC-centric sense.

                        I am also relatively certain that you or some of the other people I have disagreed with here on the forum don't get 'offended' by what I say. I doubt that my opinion means enough to you to get offended over. If it does, it shouldn't

                        It's interesting because I kind of get the impression that you and Claude may be more upset/offended at those who are offended by the racist old man than by what the racist old man said. Claude even says he judges people by how much it takes to get people offended. Why is it important to you guys what these other people say?
                        I am neither upset nor offended at those who claim to be offended by some racist old man. I am concerned about the level of influence the thought police have over everyone.

                        I am not Claude, and it is not important to me what 'these other people say' but rather the attention that is given them for proclaiming that they are 'offended'. It has become a punishable PC notion that one is to go through life attempting mightily to not 'offend' another person by whatever deed or action.

                        Unfortunately there's many to take his place who are much younger. It kind of happens that way.
                        And it always will happen that way. Do you think the thought police are going to cure stupidity, racism, bigotry, and thousands of years of tribal-based animosity? I think such a notion would be termed as "tilting at windmills". :rolleyes:

                        There always have been, and always will be people who have less-enlightened attitudes and thoughts about different races and cultures. The more attention you give to them, the more you will see them.

                        To be perfectly honest, when I hear, "that offended me!" or, "that's offensive!" I just kind of roll my eyes and think that whoever said it probably needs to get a life and stop worrying about something that doesn't affect them in the slightest.
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                        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                          Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

                          I am concerned about the level of influence the thought police have over everyone...

                          Do you think the thought police are going to cure...
                          Umm, you do realize that the socalled "thought police" are a figment of your imagination and nothing more, don't you? The rest of your post is some of the most trite, inarticulate, absurd, nonsensical bs I have seen on this forum. Congrats.
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                            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                            Umm, you do realize that the socalled "thought police" are a figment of your imagination and nothing more, don't you? The rest of your post is some of the most trite, inarticulate, absurd, nonsensical bs I have seen on this forum. Congrats.
                            I am SOO OFFENDED!!!


                            bwahahahaha
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                              Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

                              I am SOO OFFENDED!!!


                              bwahahahaha
                              D'oh. Damn you Johnson! I'll offend you yet.

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                              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                                No - comments like Sterling's are, like the man, a dying breed.

                                If you take a bigoted stranger's private comments as an attack on you personally - you are choosing to be a victim. You KNOW he's wrong - you know he's a bigot - so why would you allow him to affect you personally in any way?

                                Snoop Dog's 'lyrics' are full of racial slurs and the ugliest of profanity. They are as ugly and bigoted as Sterling's comments. I look up the lyrics and I was shocked at how hateful and ugly they are. What purpose does that serve? Do people let their kids listen to that - is that what you want the next generation to say and think? How is that different from Sterling's bigotry?

                                We should be celebrating the fact that NO ONE thinks Sterling's comments are true or right or fair or normal. We should be celebrating that racism is not acceptable today - that being rich doesn't give you a pass - that being involved in sports doesn't give you a pass.
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                                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                                  No - comments like Sterling's are, like the man, a dying breed.

                                  If you take a bigoted stranger's private comments as an attack on you personally - you are choosing to be a victim. You KNOW he's wrong - you know he's a bigot - so why would you allow him to affect you personally in any way?

                                  Snoop Dog's 'lyrics' are full of racial slurs and the ugliest of profanity. They are as ugly and bigoted as Sterling's comments. I look up the lyrics and I was shocked at how hateful and ugly they are. What purpose does that serve? Do people let their kids listen to that - is that what you want the next generation to say and think? How is that different from Sterling's bigotry?

                                  We should be celebrating the fact that NO ONE thinks Sterling's comments are true or right or fair or normal. We should be celebrating that racism is not acceptable today - that being rich doesn't give you a pass - that being involved in sports doesn't give you a pass.
                                  The worst thing you can do is try to censor arsehats like Sterling. That just makes them martyrs to people who think like that.

                                  The best thing you can do is laugh at them. Let the world know how ridiculous they are. Laugh, laugh and laugh again.

                                  No-one is going to utter statements like that again if they know that the reaction will be ridicule.

                                  The above of course, is just the opinion of a whitebread cracker-assed honky.

                                  Make fun of it if you choose.
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                            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                            Umm, you do realize that the socalled "thought police" are a figment of your imagination and nothing more, don't you?
                            Right. Because things like propaganda, media manipulation, censorship, prohibited reading materials, book burning, destruction of libraries, whitewashing, subliminal messages, brainwashing, political and religious persecution and such have never existed.
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                      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                        Hmm. So if someone is offended by a racist action or comment they are just being PC and false? :/ So nobody should ever be offended by what someone else says because it makes what they say important to them and they shouldn't care enough to get upset? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth by the way. Just trying to understand what you are saying because I could swear I have seen you get upset and/or irratated at what others have said right here in this forum.

                        It's interesting because I kind of get the impression that you and Claude may be more upset/offended at those who are offended by the racist old man than by what the racist old man said. Claude even says he judges people by how much it takes to get people offended. Why is it important to you guys what these other people say?



                        Unfortunately there's many to take his place who are much younger. It kind of happens that way.

                        Comments/attitudes like Sterlings' - if not checked and strongly denounced, could easily become much more prevalent in public.

                        Tim, lots of people are having a really tough time understanding that this is a multi-ethnic society (whether they like it or not)...

                        ...and there should be no place in public or private discourse for that kind of language from anyone about anyone.

                        Charging someone offended by those type of remarks as being PC and labeling it as not really harmful...

                        ...displays a profound lack of understanding of the dynamics of a multi-ethnic society and the importance of clamping down on "hate speech" - in this type of society, because if left unchecked it could lead to a whole bunch of negative consequences such as...

                        - A-holes will become emboldened to make hate filled public utterances and they will become more commonplace in American society - much like the pre-civil rights days when lots of a-holes took many a liberty.

                        - Instead of racism dying out and/or being minimized, allowing this BS to go unchallenged will generate more a-holes for the next generation.

                        - Racial animosity will increase.

                        - Kids will be subject to these hate filled utterances more often.

                        My uncle once told me a story of when his school went to the Indianapolis 500 race and some A-hole comes in to a room they were in and offends the whole group.

                        I don't have to be a social scientist to understand the ramifications of allowing hate speech to go unchecked in a society like ours and IMHO its one of the last things we need.

                        Its sure is a slippery slope.
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                          Used to be back in the day when Hate Speech was spewed the way to deal with it was a good arse kicking.

                          However, because of physiology differences in human beings the only fair way to curb hate Speech is by Social Reform with Rules and Laws.

                          For the 105 lb Mother of three I do not think that is a bad thing.
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                        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                        It's interesting because I kind of get the impression that you and Claude may be more upset/offended at those who are offended by the racist old man than by what the racist old man said. Claude even says he judges people by how much it takes to get people offended. Why is it important to you guys what these other people say?
                        Tim; I'm not upset or offended by what anyone here has posted, or by what Sterling said. I judge people by what angers them. The stronger the person, the more it takes. That's just my opinion.

                        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                        Unfortunately there's many to take his place who are much younger. It kind of happens that way.
                        I think you are wrong. He's a dying breed. His views (on race, anyway) die with him. And if someone hasn't noticed, that's how these stupid prejudicial ideas eventually go away. The people that have these ideas don't change their mind, they just eventually die.

                        That's why there is still racism, when nearly everyone knows that it's wrong. In 100 years, it will be a different world. In 20 years, the majority of people (old white angry men) with these outdated versions of reality....will be gone.

                        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                        Comments/attitudes like Sterlings' - if not checked and strongly denounced, could easily become much more prevalent in public.
                        No. The trend is strongly in the reverse direction. The public's reaction is empirical proof of that.
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                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          Tim; I'm not upset or offended by what anyone here has posted, or by what Sterling said. I judge people by what angers them. The stronger the person, the more it takes. That's just my opinion.



                          I think you are wrong. He's a dying breed. His views (on race, anyway) die with him. And if someone hasn't noticed, that's how these stupid prejudicial ideas eventually go away. The people that have these ideas don't change their mind, they just eventually die.

                          That's why there is still racism, when nearly everyone knows that it's wrong. In 100 years, it will be a different world. In 20 years, the majority of people (old white angry men) with these outdated versions of reality....will be gone.


                          No. The trend is strongly in the reverse direction. The public's reaction is empirical proof of that.
                          And the reason for the trend is the public's reaction.
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                            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                            And the reason for the trend is the public's reaction.
                            If you believe what you say, then it is logical that you support censorship and denunciation of rapper's lyrics that denigrate and insult whites and women. Do you?

                            Your whole post from earlier - "Comments/attitudes like Sterlings' - if not checked and strongly denounced, could easily become much more prevalent in public..." could apply equally to degenerate racist rappers. Should they be 'checked and strongly denounced'?
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                              Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

                              If you believe what you say, then it is logical that you support censorship and denunciation of rapper's lyrics that denigrate and insult whites and women. Do you?

                              Your whole post from earlier - "Comments/attitudes like Sterlings' - if not checked and strongly denounced, could easily become much more prevalent in public..." could apply equally to degenerate racist rappers. Should they be 'checked and strongly denounced'?
                              I do denunce all hate speech no matter from whom it originates.

                              I'm not happy about the anti-woman lyrics.

                              I'm not so sure about the censorship of vulgar language though.

                              Anyone care to point out recent examples of rappers and their hate speech other than Snoop's recent use of the word "whitebread" and his tirade against Romney before the 2012 election?

                              I could be mistaken, but the rappers (in the last 10-15 years) have found a new audience and are smart enough to not insult that audience.
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                                Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                                I do denunce all hate speech no matter from whom it originates.

                                I'm not happy about anti-woman lyrics.

                                I'm not so sure about the censorship of vulgar language though.
                                Wasn't talking about vulgar language. I censor that myself.

                                So now my question is, do you think that derogatory rapper lyrics should generate the same level of outrage that Sterling's comments - which, in my opinion, pale in comparison - have? If not, why not?
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                                  Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

                                  Wasn't talking about vulgar language. I censor that myself.

                                  So now my question is, do you think that derogatory rapper lyrics should generate the same level of outrage that Sterling's comments - which, in my opinion, pale in comparison - have? If not, why not?

                                  Sterlings comments pale in comparison to a rappers one or two lines/words in a song?

                                  If you say so Steve.

                                  Anyone care to point out recent examples of "prominent" rappers and their hate speech other than Snoop's recent use of the word "whitebread" and his tirade against Romney before the 2012 election?

                                  I could be mistaken, but the rappers (in the last 10-15 years) have found a new, huge audience and are smart enough to not insult that audience.
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                                    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                                    Anyone care to point out recent examples of "prominent" rappers and their hate speech other than Snoop's recent use of the word "whitebread" and his tirade against Romney before the 2012 election?

                                    I could be mistaken, but the rappers (in the last 10-15 years) have found a new, huge audience and are smart enough to not insult that audience.
                                    Define prominent.

                                    To me, any rapper with a following is in a prominent position.

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                              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                                This is what you said previously in this thread:

                                Mr. Snoop Dog echoed my sentiments in his response to Mr. Sterling's attitudes regarding me and people like me.
                                His profane rant and racial slurs feed into the stereotypes held by people like Sterling - and that's sad.

                                I prefer to agree with comments by Magic Johnson and others who abhor Sterling's beliefs but don't turn it into a rant to promote themselves or fan racial hatred.
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                                • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                                  This is what you said previously in this thread:



                                  His profane rant and racial slurs feed into the stereotypes held by people like Sterling - and that's sad.

                                  I prefer to agree with comments by Magic Johnson and others who abhor Sterling's beliefs but don't turn it into a rant to promote themselves or fan racial hatred.
                                  It seems like for people like Mr. Sterling, even Magic Johnson wasn't good enough for him and that's sad.

                                  Snoop did echo my sentiments but his choice of one word was unnecessary - but the rest of it - I say amen.

                                  You are entitled.

                                  And since you have decided to brand rappers super racists - on the level of Mr. Sterling, please...

                                  Anyone care to point out recent examples of "prominent" rappers and their hate speech other than Snoop's recent use of the word "whitebread" and his tirade against Romney before the 2012 election?

                                  I could be mistaken, but the rappers (in the last 10-15 years) have found a new, huge audience and are smart enough to not insult that audience.
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                                    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                                    Anyone care to point out recent examples of "prominent" rappers and their hate speech other than Snoop's recent use of the word "whitebread" and his tirade against Romney before the 2012 election?

                                    I could be mistaken, but the rappers (in the last 10-15 years) have found a new, huge audience and are smart enough to not insult that audience.
                                    I'm not sure about racist rappers TL. Sexist yes, but racist... I'm sure there's some but when it comes to racist music the white folks seem to do it best and probably do it a thousand times more. There was record labels in the 60s such as Reb Rebel that specialized in racist music and one guy in particular Johnny Rebel who is still around apparently. It has continued since to the point that currently there is a list of over 540 hate groups who mostly play rock. Around 80 are from the USA. Seems like this form of music is expanding and kind of goes against the argument that racism is dying off with the old folks.

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                                    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                                    It seems like for people like Mr. Sterling, even Magic Johnson wasn't good enough for him and that's sad.
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                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


                          I think you are wrong. He's a dying breed. His views (on race, anyway) die with him. And if someone hasn't noticed, that's how these stupid prejudicial ideas eventually go away. The people that have these ideas don't change their mind, they just eventually die.
                          I really wish I was wrong and you were right Claude, but I don't see it that way. The racism today is a bit different than in the past but it's effects are still staggering. The statistics show the reality of the effects of racism in America. Here's one of the best articles I have seen on the subject recently:

                          But let us ask: are comments such as Sterling's extraordinary? Are they uncommon? Are they sentiments we do not encounter on a regular basis in the United States of America? I think it's clear that the answer to all of these questions is no.

                          Racism can be seen as a language of perception and behavior. It is a way of perceiving (interpreting) the world where one sees those of other races as not simply inferior, but ultimately less human, and therefore not as worth valuing so far as the things they experience, feel or suffer through as human beings. It is a way of behaving such that one takes actions, conscious or unconscious, to keep those of other races pressed downward into weaker states of power and lesser states of freedom, with respect to everything from confidence and sense of self-worth, to economic mobility and education -- this oppression is accomplished through words, images, laws, policy, violent force, etc. As with any other language, when it comes to the lingua of racism those who are fluent can recognize its patterns and meanings very precisely, while those who have never properly studied the language are often unable to even recognize its presence, let alone grasp its meaning. This is the underlying reason why, in today's America, you will have two people sitting next to one another on the metro, or working together in the same office, or in some cases dating one another and at night intimately merged onto a single bed, where one person will feel an enduring pain over the ferocious levels of racism that exist in this country, while the other will, with absolute sincerity, believe racism to not exist outside of the curriculum of history classes or the grainy black-and-white footage of documentary films.

                          Those who can read and interpret the language of racism with some fluency know that the Donald Sterling incident -- someone making hateful, discriminatory comments -- embodies the most common form of racism. America is populated by millions of Donald Sterlings, rich and poor, male and female, boss and employee; and while Sterling now bears a public crucifixion for the way he sees the world, his sentiments are echoed by a proud chorus of like-minded Americans in living rooms, locker rooms, company boardrooms, Internet forums and article comment sections all across this country. But racist commentary like Sterling's is merely the decorative sign that hangs at the front gate of the old and vast estate where American racism lives. American racism, like many manifestations of the devil in America, is incredibly cunning.

                          You think he dons a white hood and rides a horse, but he wears a suit that costs more than your rent and has a chauffeur. You think he's the one casting aggressive looks on your walk home, but he's the one shaping the laws for the land upon which your house is built. American racism is so smart, so agile, that he's convinced many of us that he doesn't even exist; and his truly powerful movements are much more complex, deceptive,and devastating than the ugly comments of an old man. Donald Sterling is nothing more than a piñata of racism, now dangling from the rope of his own primitive words: he is a colorfully painted example of racism that requires no work to identify or understand, and becomes a convenient object for people to gather around to beat aggressively. But one can very much lash at Donald Sterling with boiling words, while not being able to see the true face of American racism, at all.

                          The walls of social media roar now with angrily thumb-tapped expressions of fury in response to Sterling's comments. But if the nation is so offended by racism, why is there no consistent public outrage for the ongoing racist practices that deeply affect entire communities of Americans on a daily basis?
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                    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
                      Let me take a slightly different trail down this slippery slope...

                      (I have not seen the news today, so there may be information out on this already.)

                      IF this audio recording was illegally made and "leaked", TMZ may wind up with a good size spanking and a new owner, an elderly gentleman with a basketball team up for sale.

                      There are so many legal issues beyond the by-laws of the NBA. A lot will depend on the disposition of Donald Sterling.

                      Just thinking. :rolleyes:

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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                    You aren't offended but others are. Why is it wrong for them to be offended?
                    Now, That's an intelligent question.

                    They are not wrong to be offended. Who could judge such a thing? Certainly not me. It's just that I personally can't understand what being "offended" means. And when someone tells me that they are offended, I don't know what they mean. It's just not a reaction that I can identify with.

                    It isn't a matter of anyone being right or wrong. the first time I heard the recording of what he said, I laughed out loud. Is that the wrong reaction? Is yours? Is TL's? No idea.

                    I have to think this over. I just know that I didn't understand, at all, the reactions. Just as I couldn't understand, at all, why he said what he said.
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                    Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                    You aren't offended but others are. Why is it wrong for them to be offended?
                    Well... for one reason, the "I'm-offended-so-now-you-have-to-kiss-my-ass" hand has been way overplayed.

                    Somebody's offended, tough stuff! Grow up!

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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Maybe she should apologize for costing her boyfriend 2.5 million, and a sports team.

          If I said something as stupid, in private, and it was recorded...and played on TV...and I was asked if I want forgiveness...I would laugh.

          Man, what a nation of whiners.

          Watch, someone will sue him for "Mental anguish".
          YEP!

          Maybe he could sue her for taping this. Her lawyer CLAIMS he knew she was taping this, but I DOUBT that. WHY did he speak as he did. Was it legal to record Sterling's racist rant? - CNN.com

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        Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post

        The NBA reserves the right to ban him. The NBA has a large pool of African American talent and it is just bad publicity for them when something like this comes out. Bad for business if they don't do anything.
        I agree that NBA has to do something in this case or there could be massive problems with players and the crowd later on. However, what bothers me is that the conversation was private and possibly taped without their knowledge. So the NBA could acting on illegally obtained evidence and that could pose problems later on.
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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


      How weak do you have to be for a stupid comment to ruin your life?
      If he owns the team, and you don't like what he said? Quit.
      Claude:

      That is exactly what the NBA is afraid of....if too many people jump ship, for starters the Clippers franchise would turn into rubble. Then there is the possibility of a broader backlash that would threaten the viability of the league.

      Every sponsor of the Clippers bailed on Monday morning, which was already a huge financial blow to the franchise. If every player bails, and no one else wants to play for or against the Clippers, that could potentially destabilize the next season (not to mention the current playoffs for that matter)....now what do you do?

      The NBA had to do this, or face the very real possibility of the destruction of their league....so yeah, even Mark Cuban sees the handwriting on the wall, and will vote to oust him.

      I just pray Mr Sterling has the good sense to just take his half billion booby prize and just let it go.
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        Claude:

        That is exactly what the NBA is afraid of....if too many people jump ship, for starters the Clippers franchise would turn into rubble. Then there is the possibility of a broader backlash that would threaten the viability of the league.

        Every sponsor of the Clippers bailed on Monday morning, which was already a huge financial blow to the franchise. If every player bails, and no one else wants to play for or against the Clippers, that could potentially destabilize the next season (not to mention the current playoffs for that matter)....now what do you do?

        The NBA had to do this, or face the very real possibility of the destruction of their league....so yeah, even Mark Cuban sees the handwriting on the wall, and will vote to oust him.

        I just pray Mr Sterling has the good sense to just take his half billion booby prize and just let it go.
        I'm afraid my ignorance about how sports teams work is showing. To be honest, I have no idea how to even play basketball. And other than my reaction to Sterling's statement, and the media's reaction...I'm way out of my element. So I defer to your opinion.
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I'm afraid my ignorance about how sports teams work is showing. To be honest, I have no idea how to even play basketball. And other than my reaction to Sterling's statement, and the media's reaction...I'm way out of my element. So I defer to your opinion.
          Oh mercy. You poor soul.What happened to you in Childhood no one showing how to play b-ball?

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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      And the reporters have to ask question, and show fake concern...and fake anger over what someone said.
      It is interesting to watch the jackals feed on each other.

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    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    First of all IMO Sterling really got we should be coming to him. The NBA really does not need a Business Partner who is just so blatanly a hater of others in this context.

    That being said I have to agree with Cuban about this whole Topic and the Actions of the NBA's Lifetime ban of Sterling.

    Here is the thing. Where does this all stop ? How far do we take it ?

    I see where Sterlings' wife is now being attacked today for a couple of comments years ago made about a certain group of people who were tenants.

    Okay fair enough you say !

    Well, if we really want to go there and root out all haters and people who have really racist attitudes and behaviors then we have go the whole nine yards.

    For instance, as many of you know the Clippers are getting a number of bids from prospective buyers like Oprah and Magic. And other one of those Bidders is going to be Floyd Mayweather.

    Well, anyone who knows about boxing and keeps up with it knows that Mayweather is a notorious Racist.

    There is just NO denying this.

    Example. " Mayweather referred to Pacquiao as a midget several times and said that once he beats his rival (if the fight ever happens), he will force Pacquiao to 'make some sushi rolls and cook some rice.' He also said 'we're going to cook him with some cats and dogs.'

    Mayweather also went on about Jeremy Lin and how he was touted so highly last year just because he is Asian. He said if he was Black he would be looked on as just another NBA Basketball player.

    There are other numerous rantings by Mayweather showing his true racist colors.

    Which this all just kind of affirms Cubans diatribe.

    To me it is kind of like that old saying , "Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it "

    Like I said where are we prepared to stop with this ?


    Should we ban Jay- Z from being part Owner of the Nets because he refers to White people in his Music as Crack*rs and Women as H*es and B*tches?? ( I have a strong suspicion that if Cuban or Daniel Snyder were to make a song and with similar racial slurs they would be boycotted and driven out of their business)

    Maybe this is not comparable ? But maybe it is ?

    Just something to think about
    I don't think Jay Z is still part owner of the Nets.

    Is he still referring to white folks as crackers? Was that years ago or recently?

    I saw his recent 10 minute rap video art performance. (he's calling it something like that)

    Where he rapped his Magna Carta (ah, he's the Magna Carta of rappers) straight to and in front of plenty of white folks and a few celebs in the crowd.

    I was surprised at the makeup of his audience.

    One guy he tried to rap to, pretended he was on the phone.

    Regarding Mayweather, he should not have said what he said about Manny and Lin.

    The question is does what either of these guys have said... rise to the level of a Donald Sterling special?

    So far the market forces have said no.

    With Mayweather, he has irritated lots of people and lots of folks will pay to see him get his butt kicked. The wife doesn't like him because of an incident involving him and his ex.

    With Jay Z, people who don't like him or his music won't buy his music anyway but I doubt they can get the friends/supporters of JayZ to stop buying his music etc - unless he's caught on tape like Mr. Sterling and his Twilight Zone.

    Not many people thought about forgiving Sterling - at least not publicly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    One big problem is Sterling's comments didn't just affect him, they affect the fans of the team as well as the other owners.

    The NBA is a "joint venture" between owners and they have a "constitution" they all agreed upon in order to own an NBA franchise. If other owners feel that Sterling is harming their brand, they have the right to kick him out of the league.

    Right or worng, the reality is NBA free agents won't play for Sterling in the future, which is their right. Good coaches won't take the Clippers job with Sterling being the owner, either. This puts that franchise at a huge disadvantage from a competitive point of view. This isn't fair to the players already on the team, or the Clipper fans (especially Billy Crystal ).

    Sterling is a pretty stubborn guy. I think he'll fight this as much as he can, unless he's 100% positive it's a lost cause.

    BTW, anyone find it an interesting coincidence that the new NBA commisioner's name is "Silver"? We have "Sterling Silver" going at it.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I have a real problem with all this pc crap. It's a big ball of wax that's being used for control in ways it wasn't meant to be.

    How many of you are in your 60's? I lived in MI and [deleted] or negro were words you heard, and probably used without even thinking about it. So how many years back do you go to hold that against someone? Do we have a timeline? A lot of people that used the word then wouldn't dream of doing so today. They weren't prejudice, it was just the way people talked back then. Not saying everyone who used it was not prejudice, just that it was normal language until blacks started being described as black. Okay - how long do we go back when we lynch someone for usage? Someone dug up Paula Dean saying something like that a decade or two ago, not to mention she said it about a man who had attacked her violently, and it just about ruined her life.

    My other problem with this is that what this man said, he said in a place he thought he was speaking privately. It was his girlfriend that instigrammed it all over hell and back. So -- are we no longer going to be able to speak in our own homes without fear of repercussions? Should we be allowed to air something someone said privately? Is privacy completely dead now? How many of you have said things in private that you would never have said publicly? Is it our business what you said or not?

    So what is the big deal if he doesn't like a race of people? Can we force people to like other people? This is America - you're supposed to be free to be a moron if you choose. You are not free to discriminate in ways that make life hell for another race. You can't stop them from owning a home they want and can afford. You can't stop them from working where they want to work, and you can't make life miserable for them living or working somewhere just because you don't like them. But can we really justify crucifying someone for not liking another race or culture?

    It's pointed out that this man owned a whole team of people he might have not liked. I see nowhere that he ever abused them - and you got to face it they are getting some nice pay. So can we force him to like the workers, too? How do you do that? You can force a person via threat and fear not to voice their opinions - you can't force them to change them. So as long as he took good care of his employees, should he be crucified for something he said when he had a right to think nobody was listening? He said it to his girlfriend, not over a microphone and I don't see her upset enough to walk out on him. Maybe she is now, but it's pretty obvious since other people in her circle wanted to buy that team that he was set up. There's words for a woman like her who hangs with someone she finds to be offensive just because he's got bucks -- and they aren't racial terms.

    So anyway......yeah, the guy might be a little scummy -- but what the hell is going on in this country. We just had an issue of a corporation based in Peurto Rico (BLM) using military force against a citizen on US soil -- over a tax dispute-- and racism was used to distract people to think that's okay. A complete mob mentality resulted from that video, even though the the NYT was caught in the act of having edited it. That one has a good ending because there is now legislation going on that will ban the IRS and BLM from having military authroity and weapons and is stopping the illegal federal land grab (most property being grabbed is private property).

    I've also heard very famous blacks say just horrendously hateful things about whites - but they still have their positions. Why is it okay to do that but if you say twit about a black you are destroyed for life. That's called reverse discrimination and it's no more okay than any other form. Why is it being accepted?

    So maybe at this point of time where the race card is being used solely as an instrument of manipulation, when the gov is pulling crap that's just plain illegal, and everyone seems to be crazy with their nose up everyone else's crack trying to rule over everyone's personal lives, maybe we need this kind of stuff to happen so we can re-examine what the hell is going on and how far we're going to go with domination of people's private lives.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I have a real problem with all this pc crap. It's a big ball of wax that's being used for control in ways it wasn't meant to be.

      How many of you are in your 60's? I lived in MI and [deleted] or negro were words you heard, and probably used without even thinking about it.
      You have THAT right! I DO watch some black comedians, even in black venues, using the n word a LOT!!!!! Mark Twains book was banned in some areas a while back because HE, in common parlance, used such words.

      So how many years back do you go to hold that against someone? Do we have a timeline? A lot of people that used the word then wouldn't dream of doing so today. They weren't prejudice, it was just the way people talked back then. Not saying everyone who used it was not prejudice, just that it was normal language until blacks started being described as black. Okay - how long do we go back when we lynch someone for usage? Someone dug up Paula Dean saying something like that a decade or two ago, not to mention she said it about a man who had attacked her violently, and it just about ruined her life.
      I guess it will go on for a while:


      My other problem with this is that what this man said, he said in a place he thought he was speaking privately. It was his girlfriend that instigrammed it all over hell and back. So -- are we no longer going to be able to speak in our own homes without fear of repercussions? Should we be allowed to air something someone said privately? Is privacy completely dead now? How many of you have said things in private that you would never have said publicly? Is it our business what you said or not?

      So what is the big deal if he doesn't like a race of people? Can we force people to like other people? This is America - you're supposed to be free to be a moron if you choose. You are not free to discriminate in ways that make life hell for another race. You can't stop them from owning a home they want and can afford. You can't stop them from working where they want to work, and you can't make life miserable for them living or working somewhere just because you don't like them. But can we really justify crucifying someone for not liking another race or culture?

      It's pointed out that this man owned a whole team of people he might have not liked. I see nowhere that he ever abused them - and you got to face it they are getting some nice pay. So can we force him to like the workers, too? How do you do that? You can force a person via threat and fear not to voice their opinions - you can't force them to change them. So as long as he took good care of his employees, should he be crucified for something he said when he had a right to think nobody was listening? He said it to his girlfriend, not over a microphone and I don't see her upset enough to walk out on him. Maybe she is now, but it's pretty obvious since other people in her circle wanted to buy that team that he was set up. There's words for a woman like her who hangs with someone she finds to be offensive just because he's got bucks -- and they aren't racial terms.

      So anyway......yeah, the guy might be a little scummy -- but what the hell is going on in this country. We just had an issue of a corporation based in Peurto Rico (BLM) using military force against a citizen on US soil -- over a tax dispute-- and racism was used to distract people to think that's okay. A complete mob mentality resulted from that video, even though the the NYT was caught in the act of having edited it. That one has a good ending because there is now legislation going on that will ban the IRS and BLM from having military authroity and weapons and is stopping the illegal federal land grab (most property being grabbed is private property).

      I've also heard very famous blacks say just horrendously hateful things about whites - but they still have their positions. Why is it okay to do that but if you say twit about a black you are destroyed for life. That's called reverse discrimination and it's no more okay than any other form. Why is it being accepted?

      So maybe at this point of time where the race card is being used solely as an instrument of manipulation, when the gov is pulling crap that's just plain illegal, and everyone seems to be crazy with their nose up everyone else's crack trying to rule over everyone's personal lives, maybe we need this kind of stuff to happen so we can re-examine what the hell is going on and how far we're going to go with domination of people's private lives.
      YEP! Some of the things I have heard said about whites? GIVE ME A BREAK! They make it sound like we are ALL rich ALL evil ALL mean ALL racist ALL greedy ALL pro slavery and our main goal in life is to keep them all down!

      Frankly, there are VERY few whites that are THAT bad, and you find such people in ALL races! During the time of slavery in the US, blacks, asians, and indians did the SAME.. Heck try to find out who the first American(It predates the US as a country) slave owner was. It's a shocker! The first innocent slave was apparently "John Casor" in 1655. And a suit against his freedom was the first mention of any suit supporting the practice. John Punch was in 1640, but not actually innocent. He started out as indentured ALSO though.

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  • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
    Its a weird case as the woman was his mistress not his wife and he even sdaid " I do not care if you sleep with black men - just don't post photographs on Instagram of them"

    very very strange

    I read the full quote somewhere - where he explains he is from Israel and Black jews are treated worse than dirt there

    This article raises some good issues on privacy and people's personal thoughts (whether right or wrong)

    http://thoughtcatalog.com/gavin-mcin...ss-of-privacy/
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      where he explains he is from Israel
      Not true - born in 1934 Chicago. His Jewish parents emigrated from Europe. Israel came into existence in 1948. He's 80 rather than the 83 initially reported.

      Sterling talked about racism in Israel and may have been right about that - others have written about the same Israeli problem in recent years.
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      • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Not true - born in 1934 Chicago. His Jewish parents emigrated from Europe. Israel came into existence in 1948. He's 80 rather than the 83 initially reported.

        Sterling talked about racism in Israel and may have been right about that - others have written about the same Israeli problem in recent years.
        Ah ok Kay - thanks for clearing that up - I am trying to find the full transcript as its quite bizarre

        Like I said he says words to the effect that "he does not care if she sleeps with black men but...don't pose for photos on instagram with them"

        Did you read the article in the link I provided?
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    What is absolutely freaking me out about this thread and the situation in general is that we have so many people who now think its their right to even KNOW what anyone says in private. What a bunch of control freaks. You know that privacy thing? It can work against you, too, so don't be so ready to embrace the idea of sticking your noses into people's private lives and thoughts.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      What is absolutely freaking me out about this thread and the situation in general is that we have so many people who now think its their right to even KNOW what anyone says in private. What a bunch of control freaks. You know that privacy thing? It can work against you, too, so don't be so ready to embrace the idea of sticking your noses into people's private lives and thoughts.
      If your worth 1.9 billion dollars and have power over hundreds (if not more ) employees and are a high profile individual in LA expect to be under extreme scrutiny whatever you do.

      I agree with you to a certain point but the fact is it comes with the territory.


      How dumb can a person be , i.e. if you have to ask in a conversation with someone whether they are being taped or not........well that is a good indication in of itself that you better should just put the brakes on and not say anything that is questionable.

      Sterling , is dumb as dumb can be, IMO !!
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        If your worth 1.9 billion dollars and have power over hundreds (if not more ) employees and are a high profile individual in LA expect to be under extreme scrutiny whatever you do.
        SO WHAT if he is rich? There are those richer than he is that have said WORSE. As for the deal about perception? Perhaps some treasure privacy and know that they THEMSELVES are subject to so much that is similar, that they don't care that much. I was in an apartment where the managers, an old couple, were VERY racist. They still treated blacks ok, but they opened up to me and gave their VERY racist opinions. But did I try to tape them or drag their names through the mud? NOPE!

        BTW I ALSO was with a group of jewish people and heard how THEY felt about Gentiles. AND, of course, some mexicans and blacks let me know how THEY felt about WHITES, though THEY didn't do it because they felt I felt the same way.

        As for control? If you wield it fairly, WHO should care?

        How dumb can a person be , i.e. if you have to ask in a conversation with someone whether they are being taped or not........well that is a good indication in of itself that you better should just put the brakes on and not say anything that is questionable.

        Sterling , is dumb as dumb can be, IMO !!
        Well, one shouldn't HAVE to ask. In california, this is ILLEGAL! So that you have to ask is an indication of society more than the conversation. But YEAH, he shouldn't say all this. As I said in my first statement here, I don't get it. He was going with a mixed race person, and freely associating with blacks. Why did he even feel so 100%negative, let alone that he should demand such a thing.

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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        If your worth 1.9 billion dollars and have power over hundreds (if not more ) employees and are a high profile individual in LA expect to be under extreme scrutiny whatever you do.

        I agree with you to a certain point but the fact is it comes with the territory.


        How dumb can a person be , i.e. if you have to ask in a conversation with someone whether they are being taped or not........well that is a good indication in of itself that you better should just put the brakes on and not say anything that is questionable.

        Sterling , is dumb as dumb can be, IMO !!
        Yeah, I understand that one. It doesn't stop with the rich and famous, though. People have their noses up everyone's ying anymore. As long as this guy's employees are happyand their jobs and not being abused, I don't see it matters if he likes them personally or not. I had employees that I couldn't stand as people - but they were doing their jobs well, so my partners and I (who also didn't like them) just left them alone. I'm sure glad that nobody was recording us when we talked though. All it would have done is hurt feelings for nothing. We didn't use the dislike to discriminate or abuse so it was our right not to like them. I'd rather sell out a business than have a bunch of brown-shirts telling me how I have to think and feel because they say I have to.
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        • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Yeah, I understand that one. It doesn't stop with the rich and famous, though. People have their noses up everyone's ying anymore. As long as this guy's employees are happyand their jobs and not being abused, I don't see it matters if he likes them personally or not. I had employees that I couldn't stand as people - but they were doing their jobs well, so my partners and I (who also didn't like them) just left them alone. I'm sure glad that nobody was recording us when we talked though. All it would have done is hurt feelings for nothing. We didn't use the dislike to discriminate or abuse so it was our right not to like them. I'd rather sell out a business than have a bunch of brown-shirts telling me how I have to think and feel because they say I have to.
          I did read in one of the articles that Sterling was verbally abusive to a player and when
          the player looked plaintively at the coach, Sterling told the coach to shut up before
          he could say anything. So, I think there's a lot of not so private moments indicating
          what a racist jerk this guy is and the truth has bubbled to the surface - to the public.
          And has been circulating within the league for years - with the potential harm to the
          league, such as players going on strike, or not playing against the Clippers...

          I get the privacy issues and am tired of the PC garbage, but we don't want to go
          down the other slippery slope that leads to a Hitler or a Stalin... Note, I'm not
          comparing him to them, but what happens when people look the other way too much?

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          • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
            A few people have described the response to Sterling's actions and words as being pc but I wonder if that is an appropriate description? The use of pc as a pejorative term was in response to changing names such as mentally retarded to intellectually disabled or indian to Native American. It seems to me the actions and words by Sterling go beyond just being politically incorrect. Isn't being racist more than just being politically incorrect?
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            • Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

              A few people have described the response to Sterling's actions and words as being pc but I wonder if that is an appropriate description? The use of pc as a pejorative term was in response to changing names such as mentally retarded to intellectually disabled or indian to Native American. It seems to me the actions and words by Sterling go beyond just being politically incorrect. Isn't being racist more than just being politically incorrect?
              It wasn't long ago that not only were comments like Sterling's made openly, segregation was legal. He was sued for millions for housing discrimination in the past, which was also legal during those times. We're talking about a guy who was in his 20s and 30s during the height of the civil rights movement.

              So, yes, racism definitely fits within the spectrum of politically incorrect.

              There's been so many examples in recent years of people losing their jobs for making comments, Tweets, etc. that another group (big or small) find offensive.

              I'm not saying what he said was right by any means, but it's just an example of the continued erosion of our rights to the point where you can now have your livelihood attacked because of something you were illegally recorded saying in private.
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by The Content Professional View Post

                There's been so many examples in recent years of people losing their jobs for making comments, Tweets, etc. that another group (big or small) find offensive.
                Don't forget the man that felt he HAD to quit because someone started a campaign against him for, YEARS ago, donating a little money to help advertise a ballot measure the guy didn't like. FORGET the 1st amendment and several others. FORGET the right to vote. FORGET the very idea of elections!

                And Don't forget the woman that YEARS AGO said some things that today are unsavory, and had her life destroyed.

                At least one organization wants to treat these guys like NAZI fugitives, and "OUT" them. So expect that to continue. Don't bother learning spanish, lest you describe a starlit night, be overheard, and have your life destroyed a decade later!

                I saw a video just today of a certain demographic that is stating how a large group has committed a lot of atrocities to people like him, and the large group is claiming that ANOTHER group committed them. HE said that THEY are getting fed up. Of course, more and more will spread the word. I would say that EVENTUALLY, everyone WILL get fed up and ......... I'll leave that to the imagination.

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              Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

              A few people have described the response to Sterling's actions and words as being pc but I wonder if that is an appropriate description? The use of pc as a pejorative term was in response to changing names such as mentally retarded to intellectually disabled or indian to Native American. It seems to me the actions and words by Sterling go beyond just being politically incorrect. Isn't being racist more than just being politically incorrect?
              Look at what heysal and I wrote. I am, and I am sure SHE is, OK with the idea of someone yelling racism, WHEN IT IS LEGIT! Lately, almost NONE have been legit. This one certainly seems to be legit. The idea of this being PC, in a prerogative sense, is the level and type of action, given the nature of the evidence and action.

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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

            I did read in one of the articles that Sterling was verbally abusive to a player and when
            the player looked plaintively at the coach, Sterling told the coach to shut up before
            he could say anything. So, I think there's a lot of not so private moments indicating
            what a racist jerk this guy is and the truth has bubbled to the surface - to the public.
            And has been circulating within the league for years - with the potential harm to the
            league, such as players going on strike, or not playing against the Clippers...

            I get the privacy issues and am tired of the PC garbage, but we don't want to go
            down the other slippery slope that leads to a Hitler or a Stalin... Note, I'm not
            comparing him to them, but what happens when people look the other way too much?

            Dan
            You see, THAT is an ILLlegitimate observation! Owners, and coaches, for that matter, ESPECIALLY in things like sports, can betough, demanding, and abrasive. ALSO, how has the player been in the past? You CAN'T just say "He wastough, and didn't let him talk." and claim that means he was RACIST.

            From what I have seen and heard of sterling, he sounds like an abrasive jerk that happens to be racist. If he weren't racist, he would probably STILL be an abrasive jerk. I said earlier I wouldn't want him as a friend. I should add that I ALSO wouldn't want him as a boss, or customer.

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            • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              You see, THAT is an ILLlegitimate observation! Owners, and coaches, for that matter, ESPECIALLY in things like sports, can betough, demanding, and abrasive. ALSO, how has the player been in the past? You CAN'T just say "He wastough, and didn't let him talk." and claim that means he was RACIST.

              From what I have seen and heard of sterling, he sounds like an abrasive jerk that happens to be racist. If he weren't racist, he would probably STILL be an abrasive jerk. I said earlier I wouldn't want him as a friend. I should add that I ALSO wouldn't want him as a boss, or customer.

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              No, Steve, combined with all that's now published, it legitimately points out the character of the man and is an example of what people in and around the NBA have known for along time. I was responding to Sal's point that this current brew-ha stems from private comments and her comment that "As long as this guy's employees are happyand their jobs and not being abused, I don't see it matters if he likes them personally or not".
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                No, Steve, combined with all that's now published, it legitimately points out the character of the man and is an example of what people in and around the NBA have known for along time. I was responding to Sal's point that this current brew-ha stems from private comments and her comment that "As long as this guy's employees are happyand their jobs and not being abused, I don't see it matters if he likes them personally or not".
                I was saying SIMPLY that the abusive attitude couldn't be called, or considered, proof of, or even claimed to be caused by, racism. To do so would be to say that many of EVERY race are racist EVEN to others in their race. I was saying the two are USUALLY, and likely in this case, SEPARATE!

                I said flat out that sterling certainly seems racist, etc... And I can understand the hostility, but why NOW? Apparently, SILVER has only had this position for maybe 90 days, so some are saying that maybe the last guy was just more lenient.

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                  Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                  I was saying SIMPLY that the abusive attitude couldn't be called, or considered, proof of, or even claimed to be caused by, racism. To do so would be to say that many of EVERY race are racist EVEN to others in their race. I was saying the two are USUALLY, and likely in this case, SEPARATE!

                  I said flat out that sterling certainly seems racist, etc... And I can understand the hostility, but why NOW? Apparently, SILVER has only had this position for maybe 90 days, so some are saying that maybe the last guy was just more lenient.

                  Steve

                  It's too early to make judgements of Silver. However, David Stern was known as a hard ass. There was an incident a couple of days ago where Pacer Paul George left the bench during a fight on the court. George put both feet on the court, then restrained himself and jumped back towards the bench, but stepping on the court during a fight is against the letter of the rule. I'd bet Stern would have suspended Paul for a game. Silver didn't. Not to mention, it was Stern that made this rule and many others.

                  The reason Stern didn't do anything before is simply becuase Sterling didn't do anything that caused such an outcry from both the public and the NBA community. It was Sterling's own words that got him in trouble this time. But let's not mistake that Daniel Stern took discipline very seriously. If Silver banned Sterling for life, Stern would have given Sterling two life sentences.

                  Anyone that claims Stern was "lenient" doesn't know what they are talking about.
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                    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                    Anyone that claims Stern was "lenient" doesn't know what they are talking about.
                    I said MAYBE. I have plead, and am pleading, ignorance here. And yeah, I know repercussions can only follow the act.

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                  • Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                    It's too early to make judgements of Silver. However, David Stern was known as a hard ass. There was an incident a couple of days ago where Pacer Paul George left the bench during a fight on the court. George put both feet on the court, then restrained himself and jumped back towards the bench, but stepping on the court during a fight is against the letter of the rule. I'd bet Stern would have suspended Paul for a game. Silver didn't. Not to mention, it was Stern that made this rule and many others.
                    That's because the rule was changed to be more lenient a few years ago. The rule now mentions not leaving the "vicinity of the bench" and leaves more room for interpretation.
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    People care too much about professional sports.
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      Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

      People care too much about professional sports.
      ...and celebrities, and movie stars, and tv stars, and talent contest winners, and rock stars, and pop stars, and on and on...Athletes have been popular icons since at least the original Greek Olympics and probably even before.

      Pro sports is very likely the most instrumental institution when it comes to helping end racism and predjudice in the USA, starting with athletes like Joe Louis and Jackie Robinson.

      Because of this history and the diversity of athletes, members of pro sports are often held to a higher degree of responsibility than other celebrities. If a pro athlete has a drug or alcohol probem, they can very well be banned from their league, as well as looked down upon by fans. On the other side, someone like Charlie Sheen or Keith Richards can do drugs for decades and it seems to help their reputation.
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    I think those that aren't sports fans and are only hearing about Sterling now aren't getting the entire picture. These accusations aren't an isolated instance.

    Former Clippers GM Elgin Baylor has filed a discrimination suit against Sterling. In 2006(?), sports writer Bomani Jones wrote a column about Sterling's racism.

    30 years ago, the NBA wanted to take the Clippers away from Sterling due to Sterling suggesting that it would be better for his team to lose, so it could get a higher draft choice. "Tanking" (losing on purpose) is something that destroys competitive balance and hurts the intergrity of the game.

    Another issue is the non "star" workers, people like popcorn vendors and parking lot attendants. It doesn't matter to them if the fans that stay away are right or wrong, only that they are staying away. This would cost the working men and women money and jobs.

    But in the end, Cuban can flap his jaw like he always does, but he'll vote to take the Clippers away from Sterling, just like all the other owners will. And actions still speak louder than words.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I think those that aren't sports fans and are only hearing about Sterling now aren't getting the entire picture. These accusations aren't an isolated instance.
      Yeah, I kind of started by saying that, and admitted that I was one such person. As you said though, it wasn't a secret. Even the NAACP knew it and THEY were about to give him an award!

      Former Clippers GM Elgin Baylor has filed a discrimination suit against Sterling. In 2006(?), sports writer Bomani Jones wrote a column about Sterling's racism.

      30 years ago, the NBA wanted to take the Clippers away from Sterling due to Sterling suggesting that it would be better for his team to lose, so it could get a higher draft choice. "Tanking" (losing on purpose) is something that destroys competitive balance and hurts the intergrity of the game.
      All good points, but I bet they didn't secretly tape him, etc... As for "tanking"? If a PLAYER does that, they can be in a LOT of trouble. It's a shame that they apparently don't care as much about the owners.

      Another issue is the non "star" workers, people like popcorn vendors and parking lot attendants. It doesn't matter to them if the fans that stay away are right or wrong, only that they are staying away. This would cost the working men and women money and jobs.
      Yep, which is why organizations like the NBA have a "decency clause" or something similar. But they should have exercised it earlier.

      But in the end, Cuban can flap his jaw like he always does, but he'll vote to take the Clippers away from Sterling, just like all the other owners will. And actions still speak louder than words.
      Yep.

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    • Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I think those that aren't sports fans and are only hearing about Sterling now aren't getting the entire picture. These accusations aren't an isolated instance.

      Former Clippers GM Elgin Baylor has filed a discrimination suit against Sterling. In 2006(?), sports writer Bomani Jones wrote a column about Sterling's racism.
      I think the situation is even more telling for those of us that get the entire picture.

      He was ruled against in court for actually legitimately discriminating against people and most didn't bat an eyelash.

      But he makes some comments in private, the PC-police go nuts, and you have players threatening to sit out games and the President of the country commenting on the issue.

      It's not about what's right or wrong, it's about what "offends" people. And make no mistake, I'm not saying racism isn't wrong, I'm just pointing out how an illegally recorded private conversation caused more of an uproar than a court ruling based on tangible acts of discrimination.

      30 years ago, the NBA wanted to take the Clippers away from Sterling due to Sterling suggesting that it would be better for his team to lose, so it could get a higher draft choice. "Tanking" (losing on purpose) is something that destroys competitive balance and hurts the intergrity of the game.
      The Sixers' GM just essentially admitted to tanking a couple weeks ago when he deemed their 19 win season -- caused by trading away half their players for peanuts and cutting what little value they did have -- a "success", and the commissioner came to his defense.
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  • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
    How come racist actions are only punishable when it comes from white people? How come no punishment has ever been issued to blacks that are racist? Heck, lots of black entertainers are openly racist and says pretty nasty things about other groups of people. There's even blacks who have made fortunes from preaching racist ideology about other groups....but no one checks them. This is why, even though I'm black, I have no problem with Donald Sterling. Blacks are openly racist and no one says anything to them, so this is hypocritical. I'm not gonna demand that people punish Sterling until you punish black entertainers and other blacks who say racist things about other groups. Openly racist blacks don't get attention however because those other races aren't petty enough to make a big deal out of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author LearningChinese
    I think along the lines of the article. I don't like what he said either, but the right to privacy is one of the most basic fundamental rights. He's right, "he should've just paid her off."
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Thanks, gotcha now, Steve. I connect the dots and would say he's abusive to
    a lot of people just because that's what he is, AND abusive to people because
    of their race (likely without racial words).
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    • Profile picture of the author LearningChinese
      Classic stuff. I'm surprised Obama didn't manage to work it into his correspondent's dinner.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by LearningChinese View Post

        Classic stuff. I'm surprised Obama didn't manage to work it into his correspondent's dinner.
        He probably hopes a lot of that stuff ends up in history books, and he covered a lot of other stuff. He even closed by trying to make sebilious look good, and poking fun at the HC.G debacle. Ironically, the scrolling often happens due to a CRT not being properly aligned. CRTs are now OBSOLETE! The second most likely cause would be tape not being properly fed. AGAIN, OBSOLETE! So even that attempt at humor was telling!

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