No Mind Warriors, No Off-Topic, And No Thanks Button

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    No telling what they'll do, but Alaister did say that the thanks button was staying. One thing I found interesting is the interest in a Life Hacking forum. I saw an ad for paid moderators for the WF now that there are new owners. The ad called the forum one of the premier "growth hacking" forums, along with other things and that amongst the members are Vice Presidents, Chief Marketing and Chief Growth Officers .... really?

    Never heard the term growth hacking anywhere until now and I wonder who those Chief Growth Officers are? But I'm beginning to realize what was meant by changing the direction/culture of the forum in another post asking for Champion Warriors to direct the conversations here. Who knows what they will keep or add.



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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Didn't April Fool's day come and go, already?

      Cheers. - Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      That's interesting sbucciarel. If “Growth Hacking” is synonymous with “Personal Development/Self-Help” then maybe the Mind Warrior forum will actually be improved? Like you said though, anything could happen.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        That's interesting sbucciarel. If "Growth Hacking" is synonymous with "Personal Development/Self-Help" then maybe the Mind Warrior forum will actually be improved? Like you said though, anything could happen.
        Well, I'm not sure that they're quite the same thing as Mind Warriors (a section that I never read). I had to go to Google to see what the term growth hacking actually means.

        Growth hacking
        From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        Growth hacking is a marketing technique developed by technology startups which uses creativity, analytical thinking, and social metrics to sell products and gain exposure.[1][2] It can be seen as part of the online marketing ecosystem, as in many cases Growth Hackers are simply good at using techniques such as search engine optimization, website analytics, content marketing and A/B testing which are already mainstream. Growth hackers focus on low-cost and innovative alternatives to traditional marketing, i.e., utilizing social media and viral marketing instead of buying advertising through more traditional media such as radio, newspaper, and television.[3] Growth hacking is particularly important for startups, as it allows for a "lean" launch that focuses on "growth first, budgets second."[4][5] Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, AirBnB and Dropbox are all companies that use growth hacking techniques.[6]

        History

        Sean Ellis coined the term "growth hacker" in 2010.[7][8] In the blog post, he defined a growth hacker as "a person whose true north is growth. Everything they do is scrutinized by its potential impact on scalable growth."[7] Andrew Chen introduced the term to a wider audience in a blog post titled, "Growth Hacker is the new VP Marketing" in which he defined the term and used the booking agency AirBnB's integration of Craigslist as an example.[2][9] He wrote that growth hackers "are a hybrid of marketer and coder, one who looks at the traditional question of 'How do I get customers for my product?' and answers with A/B tests, landing pages, viral factor, email deliverability, and Open Graph."[1][9] In 2012, Aaron Ginn defined a growth hacker on TechCrunch as a "mindset of data, creativity, and curiosity."[2][10]

        In 2013, the second annual "Growth Hackers Conference" was held in San Francisco set up by Gagan Biyani.[11] It featured growth hackers from LinkedIn, Twitter, and YouTube among others.[11]

        Also in 2013 a resource known at Growth Hacker TV interviews top growth hackers at companies involved with the early movements such as Dropbox, LinkedIn, Expedia, Twitter, and Facebook.
        Methods

        Fast Company[1] defined the problem facing most startups as 1.) they don't have the money and 2.) they don't have a traditional marketing background.[1] To combat this lack of money and experience, growth hackers approach marketing with a focus on innovation, scalability, and user connectivity.[12][13] Growth hacking does not, however, separate product design and product effectiveness from marketing.[14][15] Growth hackers build the product's potential growth, including user acquisition, on-boarding, monetization, retention, and virality, into the product itself.[16] Fast Company used Twitter "Suggested Users List" as example: "This was Twitter's real secret: It built marketing into the product rather than building infrastructure to do a lot of marketing."[8]

        Besides Twitter, Facebook, DropBox, Pinterest, YouTube, Groupon, and Instagram are all companies that used and still use growth hacking techniques to build brands and improve profits.[9][17][18][19]
        Examples

        An early example of "growth hacking" was Hotmail's inclusion of "PS I Love You" with a link for others to get the free online mail service.[20] Or Dropbox offering more storage to users who referred their friends.[20]

        Growth hacking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Never heard the term growth hacking anywhere until now and I wonder who those Chief Growth Officers are?
      Hacking has FINALLY recovered its original meaning. It is no longer black hat or hated. It is COOL!!!!! AS SUCH, it has started its rounds as an overused term headed for the dust bin AGAIN! EXPECT to see it MORE!

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    There's a huge amount of interest in Growth Hacking outside of IM.

    The Definitive Guide to Growth Hacking

    is a great guide to read about it.

    50+ Growth Hacker Blogs to Follow – Zack Onisko

    gives you 50 feeds you can add to your GrowthHacking Feedly folder if you want to follow it.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by barbling View Post

      There's a huge amount of interest in Growth Hacking outside of IM.

      The Definitive Guide to Growth Hacking

      is a great guide to read about it.

      50+ Growth Hacker Blogs to Follow – Zack Onisko

      gives you 50 feeds you can add to your GrowthHacking Feedly folder if you want to follow it.
      Cool. Sounds like a relatively new buzz word we're going to be hearing a lot.
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    • Profile picture of the author kulwantnagi
      Thanks a lot for sharing this wonderful stuff.

      Cheers!!

      Originally Posted by barbling View Post

      There's a huge amount of interest in Growth Hacking outside of IM.

      The Definitive Guide to Growth Hacking

      is a great guide to read about it.

      50+ Growth Hacker Blogs to Follow – Zack Onisko

      gives you 50 feeds you can add to your GrowthHacking Feedly folder if you want to follow it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Well, I've recently enjoyed some sleep hacking, just indulged in a little bacon hacking, and I'm looking forward to a spot of movie-watching hacking later. :rolleyes:

        Jonathan, the guy who came up with the new design posted this:

        Emi here, I designed these mockups.
        The sections and threads won't change, the only reason why they're not on the mockups is because I was just showing how things would look and feel. These mockups are just to give you an idea of the possible forum design, there will be no changes whatsoever to the sections.
        So it looks as though the (out of their) Mind Warriors section is safe for now.


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        • Profile picture of the author barbling
          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          Well, I've recently enjoyed some sleep hacking, just indulged in a little bacon hacking...
          Bacon hacking? Fax some over, please?
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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          Hey thanks Frank. That's good to hear. : ) I'm also happy knowing that Off-Topic is here to stay too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Interesting that the Make Money Online section is going to be a paid forum if the mock up is any indication. Half the threads started there get deleted as it is. Making it a paid forum could either kill it or clean it up so it's useful again. I have no idea which direction that would go.

    As for paid moderators, that may be a good thing in the long run, but what does it mean for the mods who have kept this place going for years?
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    Just when you think you've got it all figured out, someone changes the rules.

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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      As for paid moderators, that may be a good thing in the long run, but what does it mean for the mods who have kept this place going for years?
      They'd be foolish not to put them on the payroll IMHO.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        They'd be foolish not to put them on the payroll IMHO.
        Yes ... it's an interesting development. It begs the question, if they are going to pay for moderators, what incentive does everyone who has been doing it for free have to continue doing it for free? Member moderators and the real moderators did it because they wanted to ... some out of loyalty to the previous admin and mods, which hasn't yet been built up by the new owners.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    If they are taking these positions offshore and paying the staff, it will be a cold day in hell before I report a post again if our mods aren't given precedence. Our mods we have here now should have first dibbs and have their positions grandfathered into paid status before ANYONE else is hired here. Until I hear of Paul being given a shot at paid status, I'm done with member moderating. Period.

    I've got a forum that I can make private forums, so if our OT crowd wants to migrate we can do that without anyone on my forum being invaded by non-related stuff if we decide we don't like what comes down on this one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Big Rob
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      If they are taking these positions offshore and paying the staff, it will be a cold day in hell before I report a post again if our mods aren't given precedence. Our mods we have here now should have first dibbs and have their positions grandfathered into paid status before ANYONE else is hired here. Until I hear of Paul being given a shot at paid status, I'm done with member moderating. Period.

      I've got a forum that I can make private forums, so if our OT crowd wants to migrate we can do that without anyone on my forum being invaded by non-related stuff if we decide we don't like what comes down on this one.
      If and when you do Sal, Please send me a link via PM.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      If they are taking these positions offshore and paying the staff, it will be a cold day in hell before I report a post again if our mods aren't given precedence. Our mods we have here now should have first dibbs and have their positions grandfathered into paid status before ANYONE else is hired here. Until I hear of Paul being given a shot at paid status, I'm done with member moderating. Period.

      I've got a forum that I can make private forums, so if our OT crowd wants to migrate we can do that without anyone on my forum being invaded by non-related stuff if we decide we don't like what comes down on this one.
      You know that I'm in if that should happen.

      Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        The new ownership is not U.S. based so hiring working off shore is not odd to me. We don't know if current moderators have an interest in being paid mods - that's between then them and the new owners. With paid mods - the 'member moderator' won't be necessary.

        Down here in the OT we aren't a captive audience and most in this section aren't counting on the WF for an income. We can use the door out if we want and met up in another bar. No point in anticipating problems.
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by Big Rob View Post

        If and when you do Sal, Please send me a link via PM.
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        You know that I'm in if that should happen.

        Terra
        Put me down for that as well.

        EDIT: Oops, I see you given a link. Will check out.

        EDIT2: I see that we can discuss topics over there that are forbidden here as well. Bookmarked for future reference.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          Put me down for that as well.

          EDIT: Oops, I see you given a link. Will check out.

          EDIT2: I see that we can discuss topics over there that are forbidden here as well. Bookmarked for future reference.
          I've done the same.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Honestly - if they don't get some spam filters working here it won't be worth visiting the OT. Ridiculous!
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              Honestly - if they don't get some spam filters working here it won't be worth visiting the OT. Ridiculous!
              I know! It's like Invasion Of The Bot Bugs or something!!


              Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        You know that I'm in if that should happen.

        Terra
        it goes without saying - so am I
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Kay - whether freelancer is US based or not, I feel the mods we have should be offered first shot at any lateral paid position. They have continued to wipe up spam for this company even after sale. If they are being compensated for doing so I have no problem with it - but if they are giving freebie service when not being considered for grandfathering in, I do. That's just the way I'm built. It's ultimately the new owners call, and you are right - we can vacate to anywhere we want. We always could. It's never been a prison. It's just a place we come because we have friends here and feel comfortable here. It's not going to make much difference what happens in the OT to the owners.

    There's a few handsful of people who will be discomfortable here if things change in some ways and they might want to still be a WF member, but prefer to go elsewhere for the off the topic chatter. It's been kewl having Paul moderate this forum. He's intelligent, quick witted, and pretty muchly objective in his moderation. He's a good mix with this crowd. We don't know who's going to walk in and insist on what type of social order in here -- or even if there will be an OT a few months down the line. It would be good to have a set meeting place if this forum gets canned.

    Ken Michaels (did I even start to spell that right?) has one that I've bookmarked just in case. I'm sure he wouldn't mind getting invaded by dozens of OTers. We're not destructive. Just hard headed. Anyhow if for any reason there is suddenly an OT or suddenly a reason that I can't get back in here for any reason - I'll be at forum/digitalspeakeasy dot com. Not going to live link that one in here for reasons of discretion. But if anyone gets ousted here either accidentally or because they want to - that's where I'll look for ya'll.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    My guess is that most, if not all of the current moderators would not be interested in the paid positions. They are hiring the Philippines people, which means, at least to me, that the pay probably sucks for the time spent on the job ... and they do have to take designated shifts. Not likely that the current mods would want to be shackled to a full time, low paying position (for the US and considering the success of many of the mods).

    As for member moderators, I'll most likely report stuff as I see it. Doesn't take much time to do that, but I'm not shackled to it. Let the full timers do the digging.

    They have not indicated in any way that OT will disappear, so I think speculation is just that ... speculation.

    I've already noticed a trend in moderation in the OT section. There have been several threads that were abruptly closed mostly because of one over the top post. Instead of removing that post, the reaction was to close the thread. These threads probably would have been closed sooner or later, since the really hot topics tend to go that way, but in two cases, it seemed premature.

    Paul wrote a really great post here
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post9178628

    and covered some of the problems with new hired moderators as opposed to moderators who know this forum from start to finish. Here's the relevant part of the post as it relates to paid moderation.

    For example, Freelancer is advertising to hire 15 full-time moderators in the Philippines. That switches the mod approach from members who want to protect and improve the forum to a white collar assembly line.

    That means faster deletion of spam, 24/7. It means people proactively looking for stuff that doesn't belong here and removing it. It means faster response times to reports and other events. That's all good. It's improvement.

    It also means people who don't know the history, the nuances, or the significance of certain actions having access to the controls. There is no way any of those people will have the ability to properly handle disputes in sales threads, or tell the difference between a member who needs a quiet warning via PM from the troll who needs banning for a month or more. Not any time soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    ... and they do have to take designated shifts.
    But, Paul never sleeps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

      But, Paul never sleeps.
      Paul is at that age that if he goes to sleep he isn't sure he will wake up.
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      • Profile picture of the author waterotter
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        Paul is at that age that if he goes to sleep he isn't sure he will wake up.
        Lol, Thomas!

        I always figured Paul slept with one eye opened. :p
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