If police used the reasoning that people like MJ use, they would NEVER catch the culprit!

Why don't you look for patterns, find the link, and attack THAT!?

Steve

Let's focus on the majority of people that commit gun crimes! Those people do not get background checked when they purchase, borrow, or steal a gun. The people you need to worry are out are the criminals! The stats below may be a little old...but I am sure I can come up with some fresher numbers if need be.

Criminals are the people that are committing gun crimes! It's the drugs, gangs, territories and on down the list that is the real problem. Start doing something about street crime, gangs, and drug and gang related shootings! Put your efforts into getting the criminals off of the streets instead of worrying about background checks for legal gun owners if you want to try to solve a major problem in our society.

Cheers!

-don

OK, let's nip the obvious conclusions in the bud, OK?

Google

Steve

The chances of being killed in a mass shooting are about the same as the chance of being hit by lightning.

'Progressives' championed laws that make it difficult for society to identify and involuntarily treat people afflicted with mental illnesses. This has come back to bite them in the ass. The article whines,

Maybe that's something that needs talked about? There are already laws in place preventing mentally-incapacitated people from owning firearms.

John Fund talked about it here: The Facts about Mass Shootings | National Review Online

A few shootings in places where guns are banned. Free targets. Mass hysteria created - gov allowed to take control Old story - resulted in 100 million murders in the last century.

A gov that has been caught twice now running guns to "terrorists". Once the admin (fast and furious) and once a Senator (California). Both advocate giving up your guns.

Most gun murders committed via handguns. Anti-gun advocates want rifles, shotguns and sub-autos taken away when murders via these weapons are very low.

Taking guns does not stop crazy people from murdering. Over 2,000 people a year, and some years closer to 3,000 are murdered with knives and other assorted weapons. Then you have, poisons, explosions, drowning, strangulation.............hey how bout those occasional lunatics that bury someone alive?

Our problem is insanity. We have our people drugged and poisoned (poisons in food and water that cross the blood brain barrier) and schools are being subsidized to put kids on drugs.

Forget the weapons. When people are nuts they are going to kill. How long does it take someone fairly smart to figure out a way to do a mass killing without guns? Take the guns and we'll find ourselves getting sprayed, torched, electrocuted (new one for the military), etc.

You cannot save yourself from the mentally disturbed just because you make more laws or curb people's rights.

The bottom line is our society is insane and we need to find out why and STOP it. You can treat symptom after symptom and never stop the disease - so why are we looking for symptoms to worry about while our population continues to fall into the abyss of insanity?

I made a post some posts ago going to google showing how police cars have been stolen. Many have weapons and armor in the trunk, and a shot gun in the front. SURE things are locked, but if you drive a few blocks you can drill the locks out in piece. NO PROBLEM! A CHILD can do it.

HECK, they could have several people with some stealing stuff, and others to steal the car when the police leave. EVEN if it has an anti theft device, it could follow the standard protocol that is EASY to defeat if you are prepared. My point is simply that if you want to ban all guns, better do it EVERYWHERE! Don't forget the Treaty of Versailles! It could be argued that it made things worse, and helped start WWII, but goals weren't met. Still, no matter what the wars, the changes in government should give one pause.

Steve

Good grief man --> I edited the post here PRIOR to your reply here and AFTER you explained yourself on the sports thread. The way you hit and run on some threads combined with your writing style sometimes leaves a different taste in one's mouth than you might expect.

Statements like this could certainly be considered by some to be anti-gun, anti-gun owner or worse.

Maybe that's not what you intended to be taken from the post....but it is how some will take it. For you to say that the "sizable majority" of gun owners are "disturbed" seems to place yourself somewhere above the "average" gun owner. Considering that 47% percent of Americans (according to Gallup 2011) own a gun and considering that we have 240,185,952 adults in the US you just "considered" MORE than 112,887,397 million people disturbed!

Good grief! I ask you again what high horse did you ride in on??

Contrary to your opinion --> millions of people work in the sports industries ---> and of course sport is important to those people. On top of that tons of people need sports so they can function properly on a day to day basis. They need the release, they need the competition, they need the comradery, they need their extended "sports" family. Especially those athletes who don't have a high quality real family.

To some of those people sport is a "finer thing in life" and a very important to part of their lives. Sure some folks get a little crazy over their teams and favorite players but hey, sports fanatics are as American as apple pie.

Remember Mark Cuban's early days as an NBA owner? Do you figure he enjoys the "finer things in life"?

So what if your heroes are not the same people that some of the sports fanatics worship? So what if you think "sport just isn't that important"? No need to judge those people on the what they enjoy and how they enjoy it!

Seriously dude, I think I know where you stand when you consider more than 112 million Americans "disturbed" just because you can.

When you couple that with the fact that within hours you also stated "Sport just isn't that important" and "He perhaps needs some time alone to review the more important and finer things in life" does tell us what horse you may be riding.

Maybe you should explain positions and opinions in a little more detail next time you make your "hit and run" initial posts - instead of boldly calling more that 112 million Americans adults and countless others "disturbed".

Maybe you should also explain in your original replies why you don't think sport is important instead of babbling something about he "more important and finer things in life".

I would like to take you out and school you on the links but I am afraid I may be too disturbed to enjoy the finer things in life with you for a few hours.

Cheers

-don

They don't put a stop to anything, any more than laws requiring a driver's license or insurance to drive a car, or laws against drunk driving stop drunks from driving.

If they make it more difficult for the prohibited class of people to get guns they are doing some good.

Why do you think the NRA (the PR arm of weapons and weapons accessories manufacturers) resists anything that might cut down on sales?

Finer things in life -- my family belonged to a fairly exclusive country club when I was growing up. Those people were armed and if you suggested taking their guns, they would spit in your face. Many of them fought in WWII and after seeing what a few of the world dictators did to their own people would have read you a riot act if you even suggested gun control.

We had guns all over hell and back in those days. I was taught gun safety and how to fire a gun when I was 5 years old. We didn't have much gun crime back then. What changed? It isn't the guns.

No offense but, dumb question.

I can buy a gun off the street tonight if I want to.

Somebody has to provide some protection and when the police can't do it you might want to try to protect you and your family yourself. If you don't have the means to move out of the city then you are stuck protecting yourself.

-don

Don - the gun crime in Chicago has dropped significantly just in the few months that guns have been unbanned in Chicago.

This is the most deluded, innane, and just sheerly stupid remark I've ever heard. You have no clue anything about Americans, how we think, or what we do. This statement is so parsimonious and ridiculous that I am out of this thread. Worry about the climbing death rate in England - where you all love to pretend nobody dies from guns because they aren't legal. Have fun with unrestrained immigration, pal.

Question for Danial Evans:

How did you guys disarm the entire population of your country? I must admit, grudgingly, armed thugs do not appear to be terrorizing the unarmed citizens of your country.

As far as I know, there doesn't seem to be any plan whatsoever to get the guns from the street thugs over here.

I believe your country banned slavery long before it was ended here. Perhaps civilized behavior is possible here too, you never know.

Thanks guys. For tonight I'm going to ponder, "what if it's possible," anyway.

Even better, what if I HAD to disarm the bad guys, what would be my plan?

I'm sure by tomorrow I'll be back to my dickhead self again.

I'm aware of what I mean and what I mean is not related to facts, figures and country comparisons. That is so.

Those factors are only what you insist on perpetuating.