The women will get a "kick" out of this

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I checked, and she apparently IS good enough to make these claims. She wouldn't want to be caught in such a lie if it were a fabrication.

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    Yup, Rhonda is tough as nails and she has AWESOME judo skills! He Judo throws are basically second to none in the UFC an her armbar is the best in the business.

    Rhonda and Meisha Tate actually just recently coached a season of the Ultimate Fighter and they were coaching dudes. She was doing many drills on the mat that the dudes had no chance of doing.

    Don't mess with her mom either as she is also a Judo wizard and an armbar master! The top female MMA fighters train and spar with dudes and I have no doubt that she whupped that male tail.

    She is one of the most popular fighters in the UFC and she is all business and some would say downright mean!

    Dana White famously said women will never fight in the UFC...Rhonda Rousy changed his mind and became the first female champ in UFC histroy.

    Cheers

    -don
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    Woman can do anything men can do BUT do they want to?
    Women about to make history

    I have no interest, at any age, of going into combat.
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      Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

      Woman can do anything men can do BUT do they want to?
      Women about to make history

      I have no interest, at any age, of going into combat.
      All things being equal, the average man could load a 60lb shell before the average woman can. There may be a height, strength, and stability aspect. That is NOT to say that all men can, or that women can't, but it is unfair to hold that as an example that is going to exclude more men than women because of sex.

      Again, because there hasn't been a requirement, some previous recruits may fail, but not because of sex.

      And they used to have a height, weight,strength requirement that feminists considered unfair, and they ended up with two standards. Are they going to now have the same standards for both?

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author serryjw
        First our center of gravity is different from men. It is not our goal to have muscles or strenght but to have a strong, lean, dancers body. I personally think that woman's body builder's bodies are ugly.
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          Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

          First our center of gravity is different from men. It is not our goal to have muscles or strenght but to have a strong, lean, dancers body. I personally think that woman's body builder's bodies are ugly.
          Yeah, the center of gravity may be different. SOME may want a lean dancers body. There are a few other differences that may or may not affect certain things. But HEY, I have had to do things like load a 150 lb drive on a rack. I've seen some men try it, and I doubt many women could. GRANTED it was over twice as much, and the rack wasn't stable, but it was also lower and supposed to be a two person job. I had to lever the whole thing into place, because people weren't willing to listen.

          Steve
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          • Profile picture of the author serryjw
            Steve, do it consistently in the military or business takes training. Take a marathon. Both sexes can do it but comes with determination...especially when we have a history of choosing war zones in VERY hot climate.
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              Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

              Steve, do it consistently in the military or business takes training. Take a marathon. Both sexes can do it but comes with determination...especially when we have a history of choosing war zones in VERY hot climate.
              I never said they couldn't. I just took umbrage when they made it seem like the military was going to suddenly have a HIGH concentration of women because they would do so much better.

              Even the woman I showed in the OP is more capable than most women, for such things. She is almost at the highest weight that insurance companies would want a woman of her height to be, and she obviously has less fat.

              That isn't to say that most women couldn't get to that point or even better, simply that most don't. Still, the army would probably want her to bulk up if she had to quickly load such heavy shells in a combat situation, etc... AGAIN, they have men do the same thing, so I am not saying anything against potential.

              Steve
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              • Profile picture of the author serryjw
                I guess insurance companies have not figured out that muscle weights more than fat. The reality is in half the country, millions of woman would rather go into the military vs working at McD's . There is very limited opportunities. They opened up combat to woman to give them the chance to go 'all the way' in ranking which will never happen if they don't lead a platoon and see combat.
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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

                  I guess insurance companies have not figured out that muscle weights more than fat. The reality is in half the country, millions of woman would rather go into the military vs working at McD's . There is very limited opportunities. They opened up combat to woman to give them the chance to go 'all the way' in ranking which will never happen if they don't lead a platoon and see combat.
                  Yeah, that irks ME too! NOW, they have this IDIOTIC formula returning a value called the BMI. It is even WORSE than the old one.

                  Regarding the military, they apparently all do it slightly differently, but the US navy formula is known for being a good one. By taking 3 or 4 measurements, they can pretty accurately determine bodyfat and muscle on men and women. They apparently use a table to get rid of applicants:

                  United States Navy Weight Chart - Females

                  Ronda could gain a LOT of weight, and still be accepted though!

                  Steve
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                  • Profile picture of the author serryjw
                    The Navy chart does look reasonable. The militarys' problem is ( lack) of education. Their needs for smart, technically advanced recruits is not there. OUR weapons are so advanced. WHY would you want to use your tech skills there when you can make millions?
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                      Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

                      The Navy chart does look reasonable. The militarys' problem is ( lack) of education. Their needs for smart, technically advanced recruits is not there. OUR weapons are so advanced. WHY would you want to use your tech skills there when you can make millions?
                      They DO teach the recruits the basics for the items. A lot of the stuff merely makes things simpler. As for repairing things, repairing some stuff is harder in the field and most repairs are merely replacing modules. It is a lot like most computers today. Of course, you always have mechanical work also. And a lot of people LOVE that.

                      The military HAS been known for teaching a lot of things. At least earlier, most commercial pilots were taught in the MILITARY.

                      BTW MOST people don't make a million dollars or more a year.

                      Steve
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                      • Profile picture of the author serryjw
                        MOST people don't make a million dollars or more a year.
                        I know but that is the IM dream of VCs throwing millions at you and your 'start up' with 'potential.'
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                      Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

                      The Navy chart does look reasonable. The militarys' problem is ( lack) of education. Their needs for smart, technically advanced recruits is not there. OUR weapons are so advanced. WHY would you want to use your tech skills there when you can make millions?
                      Here goes one good reason...and yes, the military does have a need for technically advanced recruits --> a very big need!

                      If you want to serve ---> you can get paid to learn some of the most advanced technologies and systems on the planet. Many kids cannot afford MIT or other top quality tech schools --> so the top military programs ie: nuclear power, sophisticated radars, sophisticated weapon systems, communications etc. etc. etc. are the answer for those high level kids that don't have the financial means to get into the top schools.

                      But this does breed one big problem as some of the brightest students on earth join the military to get the free training --> and then they bail on the military once their initial enlistment period is up. The military spends literally 6 figures to train you and then you are free to jump ship! The Navy now offers up to $100,000 to Nukes and Seals (and some other rates) as a reenlistment bonus in attempt to keep the brightest and the bravest from fleeing to the civilian world after they receive their training.

                      Boosted bonuses: New rules raise payout ceiling to $100K | Navy Times | navytimes.com

                      Some of the military programs are regarded among the toughest academic programs on earth. For instance Nuclear Power, a rate which you must have a strong math and science aptitude just to get into in the first place, and then must go though up to year or two more of preliminary schooling just to get a shot at Nuke school.

                      Once you get to Nuke School you are looking at basically completing 30 credits worth of courses in just 24 weeks!

                      The course load includes...

                      General physics, materials science, metallurgy, heat transfer, nuclear reactor engineering, atomic physics, nuclear physics, radiation protection technology, technical mathematics, applied thermodynamics, heat transfer, power plant systems, reactor ethics, reactor principals, electricity basics, hydraulic systems, DC circuits, AC circuits, digital principles, electric machines, health physics and plenty more.

                      This learning is done all at school --> NO books, notes or homework can be taken out of the building! 4 minute breaks on the hour, 30 minute break for lunch.

                      So you do a 45 hour instructed week plus a mandatory extra 5-35 hours a week of additional instruction depending on your GPA.

                      That's up to 80 hours a week of instruction and then you still need to stay at school to do your studying and your homework! Yeah --> that can mean 90, 100, 110 hours in the classroom every week!

                      You can't guess on tests...PERIOD. You don't get multiple choice...all essay style show your work questions and answers. Test are graded and then regraded. If you guess on a 10 point question and you get it wrong using the wrong theory you can get a MINUS TEN on the question. In-fact you could end up with a -100 on a test if you guessed answers using all the wrong theories!

                      If you are doing poorly it's Oral Board time ---> sit in front of several military professor level instructors grilling you for answers on the energy balance equation etc. etc. No charts, no tables, no cheat sheets...memory, baby. Nuke school is all memory and calculations.

                      Many of the most sophisticated systems on earth first appear first in the military, the majority of civilian reactors are run by ex Navy Nukes, etc. etc. etc.

                      While I started my Navy career as a Nuke I ended up cross rating back to an ET specializing in Link 11. The Link system back in the 50's to the 80's was basically the Star Wars Defense Shield long before anyone ever talked about a a global satellite defense shield. It was a defense shield built on (RF) Radio Frequency and I specialized in (HF) High Frequency RF.

                      It worked like this --> any ship within 300-600 miles of another ship (omni directional), shore station, or aircraft could basically see everything that other ships, stations and aircraft could see with regards to radar tracking, navigation, targeting etc. etc. (subs could also be included using a different link at a different range) So...if my ship spotted an enemy aircraft on radar we could automatically within 60 milliseconds send that info down the line to a picket station. So if that ship was linking they then could send the data down the line in another 60 milliseconds. For instance a ship or aircraft 2400 miles away would receive the data in less than a second and they could target that plane and shoot it down. So they see the enemy long before the enemy sees them. It's like placing bionic eyes all over your head with almost unlimited range.

                      In-other-words...all of the ships, shore stations, and subs on the links (11, 16 & 4A) could see, identify and target what was going on thousands and thousands of miles away. The ships computer data was was fed into the system and that data was made available to to other stations on the link in less than a second.

                      It sounded like this dit dit dit dit dahhhh...dit di dit dit dahhhh... but those dits and dahs were the real deal.

                      The system was so incredibly large and sophisticated it's very difficult to describe. Link 11 has now been replaced by Link 22...

                      Link 22 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                      Link 22 training is not even in the same ballpark as say training to be a ET Nuke Reactor Operator is...but I am betting many folks in here read that Link 22 Wiki page and go WTF is all that...I don't have a clue. While Nuke School is extremely extreme --> lots of the other military training programs (Link and many, many others) are also extreme...

                      Again, my point is a ton of great peeps get their high tech training in the military and then go on to work in the civilian world. The military tries to keep them in with bonuses of up to 100 grand to reenlist.

                      Keep in mind the US did not get the highest tech military on earth with rocks...the highest tech military in the world was built with a lot of money and great people that design, operate, maintain and repair the high tech systems.

                      Cheers!

                      -don
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                      • Profile picture of the author serryjw
                        ForumGuru...First, thanks for doing your part to keep this country safe. I guess my 2 algebra classes are not going to make it. I know that only the brightest get trained BUT it also takes some mentally tough that can handle the stress of a war time situation, not everyone is cracked up to it.
                        Having the computer acumen in nuke training is different than having computer acumen in a marketing model.
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                          Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

                          ForumGuru...First, thanks for doing your part to keep this country safe. I guess my 2 algebra classes are not going to make it. I know that only the brightest get trained BUT it also takes some mentally tough that can handle the stress of a war time situation, not everyone is cracked up to it.
                          Having the computer acumen in nuke training is different than having computer acumen in a marketing model.
                          Thanks.

                          One reason that military training is so tough from day one in boot camp is to weed out and crack those that are not mentally tough. It's takes a high level of mental toughness just to get on a ship or a sub that is deployed for 6-8 months. Some of our subs stay submerged for 60-90 days at a time, and while I was aboard a surface vessel, I went at times up to 45 days without seeing land. You think being away from your family, friends, convenience and friendly surroundings for a couple weeks is tough ---> try 6 straight months or more!

                          While most nukes don't end up being internet marketers when they are done with the military, they do leave with some great training and experience that propels them into many different industries.

                          Nukes are pre-trained and trained in only 1 of 3 different areas. MMs are focused on mechanics. EMs focus on electrical power generation, and ETs are focused on electronics and nuclear reactor principals and theory.

                          Since I was an ET I trained as as Electronics Technician and studied reactor principals and theory. When I left the Navy I applied what I had learned in the electronics field and became a consumer electronics store manager in very short order. I did that for almost a decade and then I opened my own satellite dish sales, service and installation shop in 1996. We specialized in giving the best service available and you can't do that without a fair degree of electronics knowledge.

                          EMs (Electrician's Mates) are trained in electricity generation and we all know electricians are usually in demand and well paid.

                          MMs (Machinest mates) well, I am sure we have all heard of people working on machines.

                          Here is a brief overview of the three different rates as seen on Wikipedia.

                          Electrician's mates stand watch on generators, switchboards, control equipment and electrical equipment; operate and perform organizational and intermediate maintenance on power and lighting circuits, electrical fixtures, motors, generators, voltage and frequency regulators, controllers, distribution switchboards and other electrical equipment; test for short circuits, ground or other casualties; and rebuild electrical equipment, including solid state circuitry elements, in an electrical shop.

                          A subset of electrician's mates go through the Naval Nuclear Power Training Command and are employed onboard nuclear-powered ships and submarines to maintain the control subsystems in nuclear reactors.

                          Electrician's mate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                          The job of a machinist's mate is to operate, maintain, and repair (organizational and intermediate level) ship propulsion machinery, auxiliary equipment, and outside machinery, such as: steering engine, hoisting machinery, food preparation equipment, refrigeration and air conditioning equipment, windlasses, elevators, and laundry equipment. Operate and maintain (organizational and Intermediate level) marine boilers, pumps, forced draft blowers, and heat exchangers; perform tests, transfers, and inventory of lubricating oils, fuels, and water. Maintain records and reports, and may perform duties in the generation and stowage of industrial gases.

                          Along with the normal duties of a propulsion mechanic, they are responsible for the operation, maintenance, and repair of the auxiliary equipment in support of the naval reactors under their care

                          Additionally, some MMNs are designated as engineering laboratory technicians (NEC 3386 for surface, 3356 for submariners) following successful completion of an additional 13 weeks of training. ELTs are water chemistry and radiological controls experts for their commands.

                          Also, on submarines, some MMNs are designated as submarine nuclear propulsion plant emergency welders (NEC 3351). They go through a two month school learning welding, brazing, and soldering from hull maintenance technician senior enlisted welders.

                          Machinist's mate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                          Surface ETs maintain and repair electronics equipment such as radar, communication and navigation equipment. ETs can also perform the function of an IT by operating and maintaining computer networks depending upon what billet (job) they serve in. The ET and FC (Advanced Electronics Computer Fields) ratings comprise the basis of the ship's combat systems department aboard ships and are responsible for maintaining the ship's readiness for combat operations.

                          Nuclear-trained ETs perform duties in nuclear propulsion plants primarily in operating, maintaining, and repairing reactor instrumentation and control systems. Nuclear ETs may be assigned as an operator to a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, as an instructor at a Navy nuclear power training command, or as a technician at a shipyard or other nuclear support facility. Additionally nuclear ETs may volunteer for nuclear submarine service. Nuclear ETs are the only rating in the Navy that can qualify as a reactor operator of a naval nuclear propulsion plant.

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro...ed_States_Navy)
                          So no, internet marketing skills they have not --> but other valuable training they do have which suits them well in countless civilian industries.

                          And let us not forget..if a job applicant has worked for the US military you can be almost guaranteed that responsibility, reliability and attention to detail will not be a problem.

                          Not to mention the fact that if you have once been in charge of a nuke plant or an advanced weapons system it's probably a pretty good bet you won't mess up being in charge of less demanding departments and operations.

                          Lastly, when I was in I had a top secret security clearance, and when people with secret and top secret clearance get out of the military often times high tech companies are immediate pounding on your door to employ you high tech industries. Often times this can be a great big offer to get you to sign on the dotted line before someone else gets you first.

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                            OR you go to work for Blackwater or one of their competition. IF it all works well, you have a great future with many choices. IF something goes wrong, it's not that great...PTSD can be for the rest of your life.
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                              Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

                              OR you go to work for Blackwater or one of their competition. IF it all works well, you have a great future with many choices. IF something goes wrong, it's not that great...PTSD can be for the rest of your life.
                              Somebody has to do the hard work of this great country --> and unfortunately we all know that many of those great people pay a very high price.

                              God Bless America and those that serve for her.

                              Cheers
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                                Couldn't have said it better myself...Perfect day for this post.
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