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Medical Marijuana Fully Approved In Bipartisan Vote

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BBC News - US House approves new medical marijuana legislation

And look who the director of the Federal Policies for the Marijuana Policy Project is:

"Federal tax dollars will no longer be wasted arresting seriously ill medical marijuana patients and those who provide to them," Dan Riffle, director of federal policies for the Marijuana Policy Project, wrote in a statement. He called the House vote on Friday "historic"
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      I'd almost bet it doesn't go through the senate.
      Harry Reid has a habit on blocking any bill that has republican support from the house. Then there's Chuckie Schumer who tries to ban substances before they even come to market like when e-cigs first came out and not that powdered alcohol.

      I'd like to see it go through and pass though. In California, Washington, and Colorado it was the people who voted for it. By busting people where it is legal they really are going against the will of the people.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        I'd almost bet it doesn't go through the senate.
        Harry Reid has a habit on blocking any bill that has republican support from the house. Then there's Chuckie Schumer who tries to ban substances before they even come to market like when e-cigs first came out and not that powdered alcohol.

        I'd like to see it go through and pass though. In California, Washington, and Colorado it was the people who voted for it. By busting people where it is legal they really are going against the will of the people.
        It also goes against State Sovereignty. The fed needs to stop that crap or they're going to get some action they aren't expecting. Everyone is getting tired of that bull.

        Hey Dan? Um............is there something you haven't been telling us?
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Hey Dan? Um............is there something you haven't been telling us?
          Not me. He's a distant relative, though.
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

            Not me. He's a distant relative, though.
            Dam Dan.

            I really was looking forward to our beer session even more for a moment there.

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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        I'd almost bet it doesn't go through the senate.
        Harry Reid has a habit on blocking any bill that has republican support from the house.
        Well, it's merely an amendment to a DOJ appropriations bill, so it will depend entirely on how objectionable the budget bill is, rather than the amendment. Legalization of medical marijuana has not only Harry Reid's support, but a lot of Democrats support. I haven't read the whole bill, so no telling what is in it.

        If they wanted it to sail through the Senate, why couldn't they just pass a clean bill addressing medical marijuana?

        The vote reflected growing support for medical marijuana by Republican constituents; a recent poll by the Pew Research Center found that 67 percent of Republican constituents believe that government efforts to enforce marijuana laws are more costly than effective. It's worth noting, however, that Republican representatives opposed the amendment by a ratio of 3 to 1, a number that stands in stark contrast to not only the number of Democrats that backed it 10 to 1, but also the American people in general.
        This is how Republicans voted on the issue previously.

        The U.S. House of Representatives voted 233 to 181 earlier this month to pass H.R. 4138, the Enforce the Law Act, a measure to force President Obama to crack down on states that have legalize cannabis. Fortunately, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says the bill will be "dead on arrival" in the Senate.

        Under the proposed law, the House or Senate would be authorized to sue the president for his inaction.

        "The Constitution gives Congress the responsibility to write the laws and the Executive to enforce them," says Representative Trey Gowdy (R-SC), one of the bill's sponsors. "We don't pass suggestions. We don't pass ideas. We pass laws. Regardless of our politics, I hope my colleagues have enough regard for our work to expect those laws would be faithfully executed."

        Not a single Republican voted against the bill, and only 5 Democrats voted in favor.

        Even if the bill were to pass the Senate, President Obama has threatened a veto as it "violates the separation of powers."

        - TheJointBlog

        https://thejointblog.com/u-s-house-v...ized-cannabis/
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Well, it's merely an amendment to a DOJ appropriations bill, so it will depend entirely on how objectionable the budget bill is, rather than the amendment. Legalization of medical marijuana has not only Harry Reid's support, but a lot of Democrats support. I haven't read the whole bill, so no telling what is in it.

          If they wanted it to sail through the Senate, why couldn't they just pass a clean bill addressing medical marijuana?



          This is how Republicans voted on the issue previously.
          I was just going by Reids actions. He has been know to block anything that has republican support, even if it has bipartisan support. Even some senate democrats are getting tired of it. The senate can strip amendments from bills.
          Harry Reid

          This amendment had 5 out of 10 co-sponsors in the house who are republican. It's just the type of measure Reid would block. Not because of it's content, but because of it's sponsors. I tried to paste a quote from this article showing the sponsors, but the forum wouldn't let me.
          US House Votes to Prohibit DOJ From Interfering With State Medical Marijuana or Industrial Hemp Programs | NORML Blog, Marijuana Law Reform
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

            I was just going by Reids actions. He has been know to block anything that has republican support, even if it has bipartisan support.
            It'll all come down to what's in the whole bill. Reid is already on the record for supporting legal medical marijuana, so if the bill were solely on that, it would fly through the Senate. I don't know what else is in the bill. Since it's a DOJ appropriations bill, if they wanted to defund other stuff that Democrats support, then there'll be a problem.
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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              It'll all come down to what's in the whole bill. Reid is already on the record for supporting legal medical marijuana, so if the bill were solely on that, it would fly through the Senate. I don't know what else is in the bill. Since it's a DOJ appropriations bill, if they wanted to defund other stuff that Democrats support, then there'll be a problem.
              But like I said, the Senate can strip amendments from a bill.
              It has to go back to the house for another vote after though.
              As for Reid already being on record, that doesn't mean squat with him. He is also on record for blocking anything that has republican support or is sponsored or co-sponsored by republicans.

              I'd like to see the amendment get passed and signed. I don't know whats in the rest of the budget bill so I can't comment on that.

              Actually I'd like to see a law that says if a state passes a law that is constitutional or (like in the case of states requiring gmo labels on food ingredients) benefits the people of that state, the feds can't interfere.
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                But like I said, the Senate can strip amendments from a bill.
                It has to go back to the house for another vote after though.
                As for Reid already being on record, that doesn't mean squat with him. He is also on record for blocking anything that has republican support or is sponsored or co-sponsored by republicans.

                I'd like to see the amendment get passed and signed. I don't know whats in the rest of the budget bill so I can't comment on that.

                Actually I'd like to see a law that says if a state passes a law that is constitutional or (like in the case of states requiring gmo labels on food ingredients) benefits the people of that state, the feds can't interfere.
                Why would Democrats strip an amendment for legislation that most of them want? As for being obstructionist, come on ... don't act like the House has not blocked anything and everything that has Democrat support. Harry Reid will not strip the amendment from this bill. If anything, it won't pass because of other stuff packed into it that is indigestible to Democrats and their constituency.

                If they could pass the amendment only, I'm certain that they would. It was just a few months ago that the Republicans were on the other side of this ... see quote above where they tried to pass a bill to force the President to crack down on States violating federal marijuana laws and wanted the ability to sue him if he didn't, so who was keeping States from doing what they want?
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                • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  Why would Democrats strip an amendment for legislation that most of them want? As for being obstructionist, come on ... don't act like the House has not blocked anything and everything that has Democrat support. Harry Reid will not strip the amendment from this bill. If anything, it won't pass because of other stuff packed into it that is indigestible to Democrats and their constituency.

                  If they could pass the amendment only, I'm certain that they would. It was just a few months ago that the Republicans were on the other side of this ... see quote above where they tried to pass a bill to force the President to crack down on States violating federal marijuana laws and wanted the ability to sue him if he didn't, so who was keeping States from doing what they want?
                  Reid has blocked amendments that where sponsored by senate democrats because they had republican co-sponsors. He did it to one
                  of Gillibrads amendments. (from the article I posted a link to)
                  Democrats such as Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota -- who wants to repeal Obamacare's medical-device tax -- and Kirsten Gillibrand of New York -- who has waged a highly publicized campaign to reform the way the military handles sexual-assault cases -- have been denied votes on their proposed amendments to various bills. Gillibrand had hoped to attach her sexual-assault amendment to the defense-appropriations bill that passed in December, but no amendments were allowed. Klobuchar has called for "a more open amendment process" because she'd like a vote on repealing the medical-device tax.
                  I know the house isn't much better. I've been fed up with the way both parties act for years. With them both it's about fighting the other party and then bragging about who won.
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                    Reid has blocked amendments that where sponsored by senate democrats because they had republican co-sponsors. He did it to one
                    of Gillibrads amendments. (from the article I posted a link to)

                    I know the house isn't much better. I've been fed up with the way both parties act for years. With them both it's about fighting the other party and then bragging about who won.
                    I'm with you there. I'm so fed up with, as most Americans are, the bickering and obstruction on both sides. I'd like to see government run like a private firm for a day and if you don't do the job you're paid for, you're fired. Period. Get out and we'll get someone in willing to legislate and negotiate and work towards the betterment of this country rather than special interests.
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                    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      I'm with you there. I'm so fed up with, as most Americans are, the bickering and obstruction on both sides. I'd like to see government run like a private firm for a day and if you don't do the job you're paid for, you're fired. Period. Get out and we'll get someone in willing to legislate and negotiate and work towards the betterment of this country rather than special interests.
                      About the only thing worse would be either party having total control.
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                      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                        About the only thing worse would be either party having total control.
                        I agree. There is enough corruption in politics without taking away checks and balances.
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                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      I'm with you there. I'm so fed up with, as most Americans are, the bickering and obstruction on both sides. I'd like to see government run like a private firm for a day and if you don't do the job you're paid for, you're fired. Period. Get out and we'll get someone in willing to legislate and negotiate and work towards the betterment of this country rather than special interests.
                      What you are calling for here is the firing of B.O. as President of the United States. The Constitution lays out the job of the President: Article Two of the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                      This clause is meant to ensure that a law is faithfully executed by the President, even if he disagrees with the purpose of that law.
                      Note that I most emphatically do not agree with federal marijuana laws. I think they're stupid and counter-productive, just as Prohibition was.

                      As a purely legal matter, though, the President is required to enforce the laws that the Congress passes.
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                Originally Posted by ThomM View Post


                Actually I'd like to see a law that says if a state passes a law that is constitutional or (like in the case of states requiring gmo labels on food ingredients) benefits the people of that state, the feds can't interfere.
                That's what the 10th amendment is for. There's a lot of states using it for a lot of the jibe that's going on now. Nevada is now in court getting 10th amendment status to keep the feds off their land. Oklahoma just pulled the 10th over something - common core or ACA or something, Illinois is using it against common core..and there have been a few other states that have used it just recently but I don't remember what it was about.
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    "Federal tax dollars will no longer be wasted arresting seriously ill medical marijuana patients and those who provide to them," Dan Riffle, director of federal policies for the Marijuana Policy Project, wrote in a statement. He called the House vote on Friday "historic".
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I read "Dan Riffle" in the OP and thought this was a joke thread at first.
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  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    Dan Riffle, director of federal policies for the Marijuana Policy Project,
    I would have challenged him for the position, but I was too freakin' high to really give a crap, as in, "whatever, dude."

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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    Newsflash....medical marijuana has been legal for decades.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

      Not even close.
      But Marinol is not the same thing as traditional, smokable marijuana. It is a less complex substance lacking both some of the good components found in traditional marijuana (such as cannabidiol, which has been found to have anti-seizure effects) and the bad or not-yet-fully-understood components (among them potential carcinogens) that can also come with the drug.

      Ken Trainer, a 60-year-old Massachusetts resident who has battled Multiple Sclerosis for 25 years, said he has long been smoking marijuana to deal with the regular tremors he gets in his arms and legs.

      "If I smoke a joint, the tremors go away most times before the joint is gone," he said. "It makes my life a little easier." Marinol, by contrast, "didn't really do much of anything for me," he said.

      56-year-old Des Moines resident Jeff Elton, who was diagnosed with gastroparesis six years ago, had a similar experience when he was prescribed Marinol to deal with his chronic nausea and vomiting.

      "I felt no relief, I didn't feel ill, I felt nothing," he said. "It might as well be M&M's."

      Elton said he switched to marijuana, which he smokes through a vaporizer - a device that heats the active ingredients into a vapor instead of burning them. He said it allows him to keep down his food and regain some of the weight he lost while on Marinol.

      "[One] problem with Marinol is that it's orally administered," Dr. Mitch Earleywine, an associate professor of Clinical Psychology at the State University of New York at Albany, said in an email. "Therefore, it takes longer to work than cannabis inhaled from a vaporizer. (Usually 90 minutes at best rather than 15 seconds - a meaningful amount of time to the nauseated.)"

      "It's harder to control dosage, too, so folks end up discombobulated or without symptom relief," he added. "In addition, folks who are vomiting can't hold down the pills." Earleywine also said that a dose Marinol costs three to five times as much as a comparable dose of medical marijuana.Does the Pot Pill Work? - CBS News
      On the other hand there has been a federal medical marijuana program for years. So why are they arresting people in states that have a medical marijuana program?Federal IND Patients | Medical Cannabis
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