From climate skeptics to anti-vaxxers: Science explains why humans are so good at being wrong: Video

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That guy from the video probably thinks he is right. He hasn't learned anything from this video.

BTW, what are the climate skeptics and anti-vaxxers?

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ThomM

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HN

That guy from the video probably thinks he is right. He hasn't learned anything from this video.

BTW, what are the climate skeptics and anti-vaxxers?

Climate skeptics are those who understand that "man made climate change" is a joke and that we contribute to climate change, but aren't the cause of it.
anti-vaxxers are people who have read the ingredient list of vaccines and realize they aren't safe unless you take certain ingredients out.

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Originally Posted by ThomM

Climate skeptics are those who understand that "man made climate change" is a joke and that we contribute to climate change, but aren't the cause of it.
anti-vaxxers are people who have read the ingredient list of vaccines and realize they aren't safe unless you take certain ingredients out.

So it's only a certain group of people who realize that inactivators and conservants: aluminium salts, formaldehyde, antibiotics, MSG, thimerosal (which is more toxic than mercury by itself) aren't safe? What is the opposing group who thinks all this s8it is safe is called then? Anti-thinkers?

Man made climate change isn't a joke. It is getting colder due to the fact that we have messed with Gulf Stream. By 2054 we'll enter a little ice-age. Black sea, Baltic sea will be freezing over completely, which has rearly happened before, if ever.
Of course the man made global warming is a joke. I even know how to reverse it. We only need to make sure a few volcanoes like Krakatoa go off.

From Science Daily:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/k/krakatoa.htm

This worldwide volcanic dust veil acted as a solar radiation filter, reducing the amount of sunlight reaching the surface of the earth.In the year following the eruption, global temperatures were lowered by as much as 1.2 degrees Celsius on average.

I wonder if that Icelandic volcano has had any impact.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by HN

So it's only a certain group of people who realize that inactivators and conservants: aluminium salts, formaldehyde, antibiotics, MSG, thimerosal (which is more toxic than mercury by itself) aren't safe? What is the opposing group who thinks all this s8it is safe is called then? Anti-thinkers?

Man made climate change isn't a joke. It is getting colder due to the fact that we have messed with Gulf Stream. By 2054 we'll enter a little ice-age. Black sea, Baltic sea will be freezing over completely, which has rearly happened before, if ever.
Of course the man made global warming is a joke. I even know how to reverse it. We only need to make sure a few volcanoes like Krakatoa go off.

From Science Daily:
Krakatoa

I wonder if that Icelandic volcano has had any impact.

What you seem to overlook is we are not totally responsible for climate change and we can only do what we can to change mankind's contribution to it. We will never eliminate entirely what we contribute, but we can limit it. We can also do things to counter when we contribute.

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TLTheLiberator 9 years ago

Originally Posted by HN

That guy from the video probably thinks he is right. He hasn't learned anything from this video.

BTW, what are the climate skeptics and anti-vaxxers?

And if you don't know what either of these issues are then perhaps you should have never commented so no one would know of your lack of knowledge.
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- HN Banned 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator
  
  And if you don't know what either of these issues are then perhaps you should have never commented so no one would know of your lack of knowledge.
  
  I 've posted earlier today where I get the inspiration from. It was about the Green Card movie, where Depardieu played piano. I enjoyed watching how people in that movie reacted to it. I also enjoyed your reaction.
  
  Haven't you learned anything from the video? How good are you at being wrong?
  
  P.S. Is it socially unacceptable to show off one's lack of knowledge?
  
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9 years ago

YEAH! I have ALWAYS believed in the climate! You kind of Have TO! as for antivaxxers? Even the great majority of "antivaxxers" are PRO vaxination! They are simply AGAINST the poisons and toxins put in, and AGAINST the monopolies and the INCOMPETENCE!!!!!!

Recently, there was a virus ordered from the WHO(IIRC). It was a NASTY virus, and I believe it was EBOLA. They were to send out deactivated samples to several places. THEY SLIPPED UP! The samples were ACTIVE! All of the sudden, they had wild fears. But ENOUGH of that. I don't want to go looking for that, though I believe it happened only WEEKS ago. I found THIS one:

A brief, terrifying history of viruses escaping from labs: 70s Chinese pandemic was a lab mistake | National Post

It is hardly reassuring that, despite stepwise technical improvements in containment facilities and increased policy demands for rigorous biosecurity procedures in the handling of dangerous pathogens, potentially high-consequence breaches of biocontainment occur nearly daily: In 2010, 244 unintended releases of bioweapon candidate “select agents” were reported.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

TL; Why do you do it? Why do you start threads like this, when the vast majority of Forum members are in complete opposition to any liberal positions?

Whether what you say is true or not is immaterial, It's just picking a fight. And it's a fight, when fought here, that you will always lose.

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TLTheLiberator

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

TL; Why do you do it? Why do you start threads like this, when the vast majority of Forum members are in complete opposition to any liberal positions?

Whether what you say is true or not is immaterial, It's just picking a fight. And it's a fight, when fought here, that you will always lose.

Ah, but the goal is to spread vital information, not to win arguments with folks that wouldn't change their minds if god himself appeared to them to let them know they are wrong.

There are many, many people - outside of you know who, that read these threads but never ever comment.

For example with this video...

If only one person understands more about themselves, how & why they think what they think, then my job - so to speak, is done.

All The Best!!

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Frank Donovan 9 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

There are many, many people - outside of you know who, that read these threads but never ever comment.

They may have read the first couple. Now the arguments have become so predictable, most of us could write the next few pages of the thread in advance.
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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Ah, but the goal is to spread vital information, not to win arguments with folks that wouldn't change their minds if god himself appeared to them to let them know they are wrong.

#1 You concluded that I don't know what climate skeptics are. You were wrong. If you couldn't even get this right, how do you know you aren't wrong about everything else?

#2 Is knowing definitions more important than knowing about the subject itself? Eg. if the person doesn't know what hipotalamus is, does it mean he doesn't know how to use the brain?
Or if one doesn't know what bluffing means, even if he does it all the time, does it mean he can't play poker?

#3 That video explains, let alone proves nothing. Let's say someone created a "scientific" movie and used the following sentences.
Some people believe moon landing was fake.. hahaha.
Some people believe the earth is flat... hahaha.
Some people still think vaccines are safe .... hahaha.
And some think global warning is caused by man. Hahaha.

So if something is mentioned among other silly things, does it make it also silly? Are people really that dumb and that easy to manipulate?

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TLTheLiberator

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HN

#1 You concluded that I don't know what climate skeptics are. You were wrong. If you couldn't even get this right, how do you know you aren't wrong about everything else?

#2 Is knowing definitions more important than knowing about the subject itself? Eg. if the person doesn't know what hipotalamus is, does it mean he doesn't know how to use the brain?
Or if one doesn't know what bluffing means, even if he does it all the time, does it mean he can't play poker?

#3 That video explains, let alone proves nothing. Let's say someone created a "scientific" movie and used the following sentences.
Some people believe moon landing was fake.. hahaha.
Some people believe the earth is flat... hahaha.
Some people still think vaccines are safe .... hahaha.
And some think global warning is caused by man. Hahaha.

So if something is mentioned among other silly things, does it make it also silly? Are people really that dumb and that easy to manipulate?

You're the one who said this but I guess you were only kidding.

BTW, what are the climate skeptics and anti-vaxxers?

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

TL; Why do you do it? Why do you start threads like this, when the vast majority of Forum members are in complete opposition to any liberal positions?

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Ah, but the goal is to spread vital information, not to win arguments with folks that wouldn't change their minds if god himself appeared to them to let them know they are wrong.

There are many, many people - outside of you know who, that read these threads but never ever comment.

Have you considered that you may be winning people over . . . to the other side?

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MissTerraK

9 years ago

I did read and the first thought that went through my mind was,

Oi, Yoi, Yoi, here we go again!

That's my comment and I'm sticking to it!

Uggh! These smilies fail to capture my true emotions. Sigh...

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I did read and the first thought that went through my mind was,

Oi, Yoi, Yoi, here we go again!

That's my comment and I'm sticking to it!

Uggh! These smilies fail to capture my true emotions. Sigh...

Terra

It's hard to take them seriously anymore because - as stated - you already know (basically) who is going to say what on these issues. There's nothing new.

I read them because I keep hoping I will learn something new. Otherwise they are good for a small distraction. Which I think we all need from time to time.

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TLTheLiberator 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Have you considered that you may be winning people over . . . to the other side?

Let the dust in here settle wherever it may.

BTW...

What ever happened to that friend of yours that was interested in getting a health insurance policy?
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  What ever happened to that friend of yours that was interested in getting a health insurance policy?
  
  Still without insurance, and lost her job. Got a new job last week but not as many hours and less pay. The hospital here is listed as a place to go to get help applying for that insurance so she's going to go there and hope it turns about better than when I tried to help her.
  
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MikeAmbrosio

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

TL; Why do you do it? Why do you start threads like this, when the vast majority of Forum members are in complete opposition to any liberal positions?

First, he can't help it. I think he thrives on these "debates".

Second, so are you saying that climate change and pro-vaccine are liberal positions? In other words, if you're not liberal then you obviously disagree?

I'd find that surprising...

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Whether what you say is true or not is immaterial, It's just picking a fight. And it's a fight, when fought here, that you will always lose.

In fairness, he doesn't always lose. It's simply the constant starting of threads with volatile subject matter that he knows will eventually become political. Then closed.

Maybe he's just bored

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

First, he can't help it. I think he thrives on these "debates".

Second, so are you saying that climate change and pro-vaccine are liberal positions? In other words, if you're not liberal then you obviously disagree?

That's a smart question. Maybe I should have said that nearly all anti-climate change believers are conservative. At least, that's my observation. And I know that the vast majority of posters here are more conservative.

The Pro-vaccine idea? I don't know enough about it to give an educated guess.

I just know that TL is a strong liberal, and his posts reflect that.

TL presents ideas in a more argumentative way than I would. But I admire anyone who is willing to fight for what he believes in. I used to be more like that...arguing with a group of people...hoping that one or two will "see the light"...
But I care less now what others think or believe.

The difference between TL and I is that I discuss things purely as in intellectual exercise, and for the fun of it.

I think TL actually cares. I may not agree with much of what he says, but he has heart.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

That's a smart question. Maybe I should have said that anti-climate change believers are conservative. At least, that's my observation.

The Pro-vaccine idea? I don't know enough about it to give an educated guess.

I just know that TL is a strong liberal, and his posts reflect that.

TL presents ideas in a more argumentative way than I would. But I admire anyone who is willing to fight for what he believes in.

On the anti climate change comment...it's been my observation that PRO climate change people consider anyone as climate change deniers that don't believe climate change is all man made, where the conservatives I know do indeed understand climate change is happening. But they don't subscribe to the thought that it is a "man made" issue. Man contributes to it. But are not the cause. They don't, as a rule, DENY climate change.

I really don't have an opinion on the vaccine thing either. Nor do I have an abundance of time to properly research yet another issue.

Frankly, I have to wonder whether he is so much "fighting for what he believes in" as he is simply posting threads that he knows are volatile. He's not the only one. But I think even you might agree he does it more that anyone else.

Of course, he'll probably argue that point.

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TLTheLiberator

9 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

First, he can't help it. I think he thrives on these "debates".

Second, so are you saying that climate change and pro-vaccine are liberal positions? In other words, if you're not liberal then you obviously disagree?

I'd find that surprising...

In fairness, he doesn't always lose. It's simply the constant starting of threads with volatile subject matter that he knows will eventually become political. Then closed.

Maybe he's just bored

TL is having fun.

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UnkwnUsr

9 years ago

I for one welcome global warming some parts of the world are way too cold. Now every place can be like my home town.

Seriously how can a global phenomenon be liberal or conservative? At this point it is just a fact. What no one will say is that it is already too late to prevent it's effects. Even conservatives will be pushing to build sea barriers around coastal communities in the coming years.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by UnkwnUsr

I for one welcome global warming some parts of the world are way too cold. Now every place can be like my home town.

Seriously how can a global phenomenon be liberal or conservative? At this point it is just a fact. What no one will say is that it is already too late to prevent it's effects. Even conservatives will be pushing to build sea barriers around coastal communities in the coming years.

All we can do is limit the effects humans have on the environment.

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9 years ago

There are several things that cause normal, everyday thinking people to be skeptical of the Chicken Little global warming scare-mongers:

We follow the money. There is HUGE money available to the faithful. Researchers who remain skeptical of the scare-monger's theories are ostracized by their colleagues, and are unable to prove or disprove any of the theories because they cannot secure funding for research.

We observe. Scientific method uses observation and data collection to test theories. Man-made climate change evangelists put forth a theory with huge ramifications if it were true, based their careers and livelihoods on it being true, and when the data didn't support the theory, they changed the data so that it did.

We know the difference between 'theory' and 'fact'.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by SteveJohnson

There are several things that cause normal, everyday thinking people to be skeptical of the Chicken Little global warming scare-mongers:

We follow the money. There is HUGE money available to the faithful. Researchers who remain skeptical of the scare-monger's theories are ostracized by their colleagues, and are unable to prove or disprove any of the theories because they cannot secure funding for research.

We observe. Scientific method uses observation and data collection to test theories. Man-made climate change evangelists put forth a theory with huge ramifications if it were true, based their careers and livelihoods on it being true, and when the data didn't support the theory, they changed the data so that it did.

We know the difference between 'theory' and 'fact'.

Because there is no money in denying global warming and going on with business as usual?

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Originally Posted by SteveJohnson

Follow the money. There is HUGE money available to the faithful.

That could easily be attributed to BOTH sides of the argument.
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9 years ago

Climate denier - what idiot coined that term? I don't know of one person that denies the climate is changing. It always has and it always will. If it weren't - that would be some real news.

The actual argument is about what it is doing. With as many climatologists that disagree with the "official" statement, it's really beyond cocky and into obnoxious to call people idiots for disagreeing.

Same for the "anti-vaxxers".

TL - I have no idea how you manage not get get banned. You're nothing but a troll - and I still hold to the thought you are a paid poster.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Climate denier - what idiot coined that term? I don't know of one person that denies the climate is changing. It always has and it always will. If it weren't - that would be some real news.

The actual argument is about what it is doing. With as many climatologists that disagree with the "official" statement, it's really beyond cocky and into obnoxious to call people idiots for disagreeing.

Same for the "anti-vaxxers".

TL - I have no idea how you manage not get get banned. You're nothing but a troll - and I still hold to the thought you are a paid poster.

The feeling's mutual.

Like 2-3% disagree - wow!

And I still say you're one of those sovereign citizens - like that deadbeat rancher, Cliven Bundy who really doesn't believe in the United States. I've said this on a number of occasions and you've yet to deny it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Citizen_Movement

So, you need to stop talking about this country as if you're a part of it - unless you disavow the SC movement.

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9 years ago

Last I heard, if you're a US citizen, you're "a part of it" - regardless of what you believe or don't, what you avow or disavow.

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MissTerraK

9 years ago

Uh, news flash, TL.

HeySal is a part of this country whether she believes in SC or the US, or not.

That's about as ludicrous as me telling you to quit talking about a "certain political party" unless you disavow the "opposing political party".

Seriously, where do you come up with this, uh, stuff?

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Seriously, where do you come up with this, uh, stuff? Terra

I forward to him via mental telepathy.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Uh, news flash, TL.

HeySal is a part of this country whether she believes in SC or the US, or not.

That's about as ludicrous as me telling you to quit talking about a "certain political party" unless you disavow the "opposing political party".

Seriously, where do you come up with this, uh, stuff?

Terra

Another silly false equivalency at the WF.

I got it from the lady herself. (but she can always deny it)

Many members of the sovereign citizen movement believe that the U.S. Government is illegitimate.

JJ MacNab, who writes for Forbes about anti-government extremism, describes the sovereign citizen movement as consisting of individuals who believe that the County Sheriff is the most powerful law enforcement officer in the country, with authority superior to that of any federal agent, elected official, or local law-enforcement.

I'd love clarification or confirmation.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Another silly false equivalency at the WF.

I got it from the lady herself. (but she can always deny it)

Many members of the sovereign citizen movement believe that the U.S. Government is illegitimate.

JJ MacNab, who writes for Forbes about anti-government extremism, describes the sovereign citizen movement as consisting of individuals who believe that the County Sheriff is the most powerful law enforcement officer in the country, with authority superior to that of any federal agent, elected official, or local law-enforcement.

I'd love clarification or confirmation.

Right off the bat you got that wrong.
The Sheriff is the top law enforcement officer in their county. They are also the only law enforcement agency that answers to the people of that county and not the government.

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HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Right off the bat you got that wrong.
The Sheriff is the top law enforcement officer in their county. They are also the only law enforcement agency that answers to the people of that county and not the government.

Anyone that doesn't know that, should be worried more about getting some education than about calling people stupid on a forum for what they think about what gov is or isn't doing.

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TLTheLiberator

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Anyone that doesn't know that, should be worried more about getting some education than about calling people stupid on a forum for what they think about what gov is or isn't doing.

Some misunderstanding by wikipedia regarding a minor detail but absolutely, positively - no denial or from you regarding the bold sentence below.

That means you're a member of a group in the USA that...

Many members of the sovereign citizen movement believe that the U.S. Government is illegitimate, that is, it has no legal basis.

I believe they got this right, if not let us know Sal.

You and your supporters do carry on with this strange type of patriotism at the WF.

I wonder what you'll be doing on the 4th?

BTW...

I just ran across this article about one of your kindred spirits...

http://thetippingpoint.bangordailyne...politics-widge

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by SteveJohnson

Last I heard, if you're a US citizen, you're "a part of it" - regardless of what you believe or don't, what you avow or disavow.

Last I heard, hating on the U.S. gov is one thing, but this is a horse of a totally different color.

Many members of the sovereign citizen movement believe that the U.S. Government is illegitimate.

JJ MacNab, who writes for Forbes about anti-government extremism, describes the sovereign citizen movement as consisting of individuals who believe that the County Sheriff is the most powerful law enforcement officer in the country, with authority superior to that of any federal agent, elected official, or local law-enforcement.

Sovereign citizen movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Last I heard, hating on the U.S. gov is one thing, but this is a horse of a totally different color.

Many members of the sovereign citizen movement believe that the U.S. Government is illegitimate.

JJ MacNab, who writes for Forbes about anti-government extremism, describes the sovereign citizen movement as consisting of individuals who believe that the County Sheriff is the most powerful law enforcement officer in the country, with authority superior to that of any federal agent, elected official, or local law-enforcement.

Sovereign citizen movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does all your education come from sound bites TL?

When I hear the phrase " .....think the government is illegitimate" sounds cooky as hell to me...as does it to anyone.

Please provide a bullited list of WHY they think it's illegitimate.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Doran Peck

Does all your education come from sound bites TL?

When I hear the phrase " .....think the government is illegitimate" sounds cooky as hell to me...as does it to anyone.

Please provide a bullited list of WHY they think it's illegitimate.

Why don't you ask Sal, she's seems to be one of them.

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Doran Peck

9 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Why don't you ask Sal, she's seems to be one of them.

Because she's not the one needs to study up on it, you are.

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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I did read and the first thought that went through my mind was,

Oi, Yoi, Yoi, here we go again!

That's my comment and I'm sticking to it!

Uggh! These smilies fail to capture my true emotions. Sigh...

Terra

Yes, my official response is "as long as it doesn't hurt Martian Fluffy bunnies" l don't care!

I won't bother mentioning, the 1000, years of high temp, in Medieval times, or the mini ice age we had late last century or especially the 15 years of no noticeable temp, increases, because it will only lead to trouble!

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

The feeling's mutual.

Like 2-3% disagree - wow!

And I still say you're one of those sovereign citizens - like that deadbeat rancher, Cliven Bundy who really doesn't believe in the United States. I've said this on a number of occasions and you've yet to deny it.

Sovereign citizen movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, you need to stop talking about this country as if you're a part of it - unless you disavow the SC movement.

Well, going by UK, stats, it is more like 62%!!!!

UK poll: 62% don’t believe in man-made climate. Educated high income classes more skeptical than unskilled « JoNova

And l am pretty sure it is about 56% in Australia that think MMGW is a crock!

I am part of that group, and l still believe we have affected the Earths climate, but only by 1 - 3%!

Not the sky is falling, and we will all be dead by 2100!

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

And l am pretty sure it is about 56% in Australia that think MMGW is a crock!

And you'd be wrong.

97% of Australians are aware of the issue;
56% believe it's man made;
75% perceive it as a threat.

Climate change opinion by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you don't trust Wikpedia, how about another article from Jo Nova's blog:

According to that, (let's leave out the 6.3% who have no idea whether climate change is real or not so as to concentrate on only the "believers" and "non-believers") Only 7.6% of Australians believe that climate change isn't real; 38.8% believe it's real, but not man-made, and 47.3% believe it's real and is man made. So at most, only 46.4% believe that "MMGW is a crock".

Anyway, statistics like the ones you (and I) quoted are meaningless. Just because a lot of people believe (or don't believe) doesn't mean it is (or isn't) real.

Remember that over 80% of Australians once "believed" Lindy Chamberlain killed her baby.

Belief (or non-belief) ≠ Proof.

Here's what the insurance industry thinks about it though:

"Our business depends on us being neutral. We simply try to make the best possible assessment of risk today, with no vested interest," says Robert Muir-Wood, the chief scientist of Risk Management Solutions (RMS), a company that creates software models to allow insurance companies to calculate risk. "In the past, when making these assessments, we looked to history. But in fact, we've now realized that that's no longer a safe assumption--we can see, with certain phenomena in certain parts of the world, that the activity today is not simply the average of history."

This pronounced shift can be seen in extreme rainfall events, heat waves and wind storms. The underlying reason, he says, is climate change, driven by rising greenhouse gas emissions. Muir-Wood's company is responsible for figuring out just how much more risk the world's insurance companies face as a result of climate change when homeowners buy policies to protect their property. Source: How The Insurance Industry Is Dealing With Climate Change - Smithsonian

That is where my "belief" in it comes from. Not left-wing blogs, or those connected to "green" industries, but from working in the insurance industry for over 20 years.

If you care to do more research, I suggest you ring your insurer (or any/all insurers), and ask them for their views.

BTW again - May 2014 (well within the "15 years" that you're so fond of quoting), was the hottest May in Australia since records began.

Furthermore, the 15 year period you mentioned covers all of this century (so far) where there's been "no noticeable increase in temperatures", there's this:

From Weather.com

The organization's Annual Statement on the Status of the Climate showed also that despite the oft-reported global warming "hiatus," 13 of the 14 warmest years in recorded weather history have all occurred in the opening years of the 21st century. Source: 13 of 14 Hottest Years on Record All Occurred in 21st Century - weather.com

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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

And you'd be wrong.

97% of Australians are aware of the issue;
56% believe it's man made;
75% perceive it as a threat.

Climate change opinion by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you don't trust Wikpedia, how about another article from Jo Nova's blog:

According to that, (let's leave out the 6.3% who have no idea whether climate change is real or not so as to concentrate on only the "believers" and "non-believers") Only 7.6% of Australians believe that climate change isn't real; 38.8% believe it's real, but not man-made, and 47.3% believe it's real and is man made. So at most, only 46.4% believe that "MMGW is a crock".

Anyway, statistics like the ones you (and I) quoted are meaningless. Just because a lot of people believe (or don't believe) doesn't mean it is (or isn't) real.

Remember that over 80% of Australians once "believed" Lindy Chamberlain killed her baby.

Belief (or non-belief) ≠ Proof.

Here's what the insurance industry thinks about it though:

That is where my "belief" in it comes from. Not left-wing blogs, or those connected to "green" industries, but from working in the insurance industry for over 20 years.

If you care to do more research, I suggest you ring your insurer (or any/all insurers), and ask them for their views.

BTW again - May 2014 (well within the "15 years" that you're so fond of quoting), was the hottest May in Australia since records began.

Furthermore, the 15 year period you mentioned covers all of this century (so far) where there's been "no noticeable increase in temperatures", there's this:

From Weather.com
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Dammit, (clinging my fluffy bunny) l thought that it was 56% for Aussies!
Good to know that Brits, have some more sence!

I don't think that we can drag Lindy into this the evidence was to dodgy, and later showed that the a**** authorities did a snow job on her, to keep tourism going.

But l have to admit that l thought that Rolf Harris was innocent with money grubbing women on his heels, but, today the facts were in front of me, so regrettably l have to acknowledge that, (patting my fluffy rabbit). Thankfully he didn't do anything iffy when he painted the Queens portrait, (wherever it is)?

Fair enough we have had record, hot weeks, but it still doesn't prove that we caused it, it just shows that we are in a hot period!

As for the 15 year one, l would say, that if the heat can be stored somewhere, then it might come back to bite us one day or the doomsday 75 years in the future prediction

But 15 years and counting!!! Haven't seen any heat being released anywhere, yet?

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

I don't think that we can drag Lindy into this the evidence was to dodgy, and later showed that the a**** authorities did a snow job on her, to keep tourism going.

The Lindy bit was to illustrate a point, the point being

Belief (or non-belief) ≠ Proof.

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TLTheLiberator 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Doran Peck

Because she's not the one needs to study up on it, you are.

Maybe you do, but I don't need to know the kooky reasons why these people believe this...

Many members of the sovereign citizen movement believe that the U.S. Government is illegitimate, that is, it has no legal basis.

I don't see how they could make any sense whatsoever.

They believe in entities such as "The Republic Of Missouri" and I believe Mr. Bundy talked about belonging to "The Republic Of Nevada".

Wow, and then some of them, like Mr. Bundy have the unmitigated gall to use the American flag.
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ThomM

9 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Why don't you ask Sal, she's seems to be one of them.

Hay everyone, I found Joe McCarthy.
He's been hiding all this time on the WF forum posing as a Liberal.

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TLTheLiberator

9 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Hay everyone, I found Joe McCarthy.
He's been hiding all this time on the WF forum posing as a Liberal.

And most people would be hard pressed to find something more UN-American than someone born and raised here who also believes this...

Many members of the sovereign citizen movement believe that the U.S. Government is illegitimate, that is, it has no legal basis.

McCarthy was on what was by and large a witch hunt but it appears that Sal is who and what I say she is, ...(but she can always say I'm wrong about this)

... so as usual, your equivalencies are weak, imbecilic, corney and way off target.

But you keep on defending her as you also defended her like minded brethren, the deadbeat & racist rancher Cliven Bundy with your very interesting type of patriotism.

Carry On!

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

And most people would be hard pressed to find something more UN-American than someone born and raised here who also believes this...

Many members of the sovereign citizen movement believe that the U.S. Government is illegitimate, that is, it has no legal basis.

McCarthy was on what was by and large a witch hunt but it appears that Sal is who and what I say she is.

But you keep on defending her as you also defended her like minded brethren, the deadbeat & racist Rancher Cliven Bundy with your very interesting type of patriotism.

Carry On!

Whatever you say Joe.

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David Maschke

9 years ago

Edit: I better take a chill pill too. "He who shall not be named" is gonna come in here with the Forum's brand new machine gun banning feature.

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