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I think I am going to have a heart attack.

I had taken down all my IM related products and links so there's no way this could possibly happen, or so I thought.

I'm checking my email and I see "Notification Of Payment Received". Now, you know that all the slimy spammers use this tactic to get you to open their email. Well, given my current status, I was 100% sure that's what this was. But for the love of God, for some reason, I decided to open this email. Please don't ask me why because I have no idea.

And then I started going though it. It wasn't the usual "This could be what you see in your email box on a daily basis" kind of crap. It looked real. And I kept scrolling down the email to see what I could have possibly sold with no active links online.

The shock I got can not be put into words.

It was one of the tracks off my new site. After thousands of illegal downloads, and having lost all hope for this site to be anything but a lost cause, there it was...a sale for one of my tracks for $1.99.

Out of the thousands of people who came to my site and downloaded thousands of tracks illegally, one honest person in this world.

My wife was convinced they didn't exist and I was starting to think she was right.

It may only be $1.99 but today has restored what little faith I have for humanity.

Or maybe he just didn't know about the Firefox plugin.
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    Steven

    if you had thousands of illegal downloads and only 1 sale.. you may need to rethink your business model.. and detach yourself from the sales process and just look at the DATA!!!

    the problem is the IM make money niche is saturated with bottom of the barrel maggots.. and sad to say if your doing business in this space.. have no expectations.

    I would love to know just for curiously sake.. where the majority of illegal downloads come from.. inside the U.S. or outside???

    I would be bold to make a claim that they are from outside.. its just that the mentality of intellectual property is different outside the U.S.

    just a shot in the dark

    now if you changed niches.. I am sure you will see much normal types of transactions..

    and eliminate all purchases outside the U.S. you may even be more surprised.








    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    I think I am going to have a heart attack.

    I had taken down all my IM related products and links so there's no way this could possibly happen, or so I thought.

    I'm checking my email and I see "Notification Of Payment Received". Now, you know that all the slimy spammers use this tactic to get you to open their email. Well, given my current status, I was 100% sure that's what this was. But for the love of God, for some reason, I decided to open this email. Please don't ask me why because I have no idea.

    And then I started going though it. It wasn't the usual "This could be what you see in your email box on a daily basis" kind of crap. It looked real. And I kept scrolling down the email to see what I could have possibly sold with no active links online.

    The shock I got can not be put into words.

    It was one of the tracks off my new site. After thousands of illegal downloads, and having lost all hope for this site to be anything but a lost cause, there it was...a sale for one of my tracks for $1.99.

    Out of the thousands of people who came to my site and downloaded thousands of tracks illegally, one honest person in this world.

    My wife was convinced they didn't exist and I was starting to think she was right.

    It may only be $1.99 but today has restored what little faith I have for humanity.

    Or maybe he just didn't know about the Firefox plugin.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by bluecoyotemedia View Post

      Steven

      if you had thousands of illegal downloads and only 1 sale.. you may need to rethink your business model.. and detach yourself from the sales process and just look at the DATA!!!

      the problem is the IM make money niche is saturated with bottom of the barrel maggots.. and sad to say if your doing business in this space.. have no expectations.

      I would love to know just for curiously sake.. where the majority of illegal downloads come from.. inside the U.S. or outside???

      I would be bold to make a claim that they are from outside.. its just that the mentality of intellectual property is different outside the U.S.

      just a shot in the dark

      now if you changed niches.. I am sure you will see much normal types of transactions..

      and eliminate all purchases outside the U.S. you may even be more surprised.
      It's not in the IM make money niche. These are music tracks for people who are looking for music for their videos, pod casts, productions, whatever.

      You would think at prices of 0.99 cents to $2.99 (depending on the track) people wouldn't have to resort to theft. But I was wrong. That's the miserable world we live in.

      As for where the downloads are coming from, all over. There is no one country or area that is scummier than another.
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    Surely there a way to protect the files from illegal thieving downloads?
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      Surely there a way to protect the files from illegal thieving downloads?
      ..... not really.
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

        ..... not really.
        Isn't there a way to make it harder?
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          Isn't there a way to make it harder?
          Most of the royalty-free music sites I've seen don't post the pure track. Instead, they have their site name repeated over the top of the sound track every 15 seconds or so. Buyers get a link to the unadulterated file after they purchase. The number of downloads are limited as well.
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        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        Surely there a way to protect the files from illegal thieving downloads?
        Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

        ..... not really.
        Audio watermark like audio jungle (not aff. link). Then host the real files on a 2nd self hosted external site that can be downloaded after purchase. Maybe even setup so the purchased file is automatically attached to the email (zip). That way there's no known direct URL to hotlink/download. Nothing is 100% perfect but at least try to block the illegal downloads.
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    Also - have you thought about selling all of these files you've made on a site like Music - Inspiration | AudioJungle ? What do you have to lose?
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      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Also - have you thought about selling all of these files you've made on a site like Music - Inspiration | AudioJungle ? What do you have to lose?
      This is Steven Wagenheim's arena and he must know the insides and outsides of the music business, but from my uninformed igloo in Canada I would have figured networking with Hollywood and broadcasting network decision-makers would be a good way to go. This is great music. It should be in movies (vs the silly video I'm going to be releasing here tomorrow).
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        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        This is Steven Wagenheim's arena and he must know the insides and outsides of the music business, but from my uninformed igloo in Canada I would have figured networking with Hollywood and broadcasting network decision-makers would be a good way to go. This is great music. It should be in movies (vs the silly video I'm going to be releasing here tomorrow).

        This is not really fully about the music business. It's still selling online. Not everyone can be found on Google, because there are only 10 results per page when you do a search. So you either have to be absolutely superb at SERPs or you piggyback off of a site that is. -

        The reason you sell at a place like Royalty Free Music - Sound Effects - Stock Audio | AudioJungle - is because they already have built in customers. You don't have to worry about Search Engine Optimization. It's like an eBay of music files.

        I definitely wouldn't discount it, especially if you've only made one sale so far. - And if you go over there it's easy to see what sells and what doesn't, just like on ebay.

        Anyways - just a thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
    Maybe slightly off-topic here, but, where's your subscription form? I may very well buy in the future, (thanks to this thread), but I'm not ready now, so I'd be willing to add myself to your list... if I could find it. Sorry if I missed that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

      Maybe slightly off-topic here, but, where's your subscription form? I may very well buy in the future, (thanks to this thread), but I'm not ready now, so I'd be willing to add myself to your list... if I could find it. Sorry if I missed that.
      I'm not building a list yet. I don't have a funnel in place and there's really no point. Plus, I'm working on another music project that I'm hoping to turn into my bread and butter. The products for it will be completed by the end of this month and then I have to get the sales letter done. It's not in the MMO niche. It's targeted to the exercise niche with a very unique product that does fill a need that isn't currently being filled, at least not very well.
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        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I'm not building a list yet. I don't have a funnel in place and there's really no point. Plus, I'm working on another music project that I'm hoping to turn into my bread and butter. The products for it will be completed by the end of this month and then I have to get the sales letter done. It's not in the MMO niche. It's targeted to the exercise niche with a very unique product that does fill a need that isn't currently being filled, at least not very well.
        Now you're talking. I love the idea of digging down further and finding unfilled niches to fill.
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I'm not building a list yet. I don't have a funnel in place and there's really no point.<snip>.
        I'm not commenting on subscription forms or lists, but it is astonishing for me that you can create such a volume of amazing music like that, yet still seem quite nonchalant about it. In my entire life, I've composed two songs (of sorts). I can't conceive of having such talent any more than I could be a world contender in the 100 meter dash. Could it be that for people naturally bestowed with such gifts and always having had them it's not such a big deal, like having two functioning arms is not a big deal for me?
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          I'm not commenting on subscription forms or lists, but it is astonishing for me that you can create such a volume of amazing music like that, yet still seem quite nonchalant about it. In my entire life, I've composed two songs (of sorts). I can't conceive of having such talent any more than I could be a world contender in the 100 meter dash. Could it be that for people naturally bestowed with such gifts and always having had them it's not such a big deal, like having two functioning arms is not a big deal for me?
          In the grand scheme of things, it is no big deal. That's the problem. Look at the top RFM sites that get their content from submissions from composers all over the Internet. They literally have a catalog of 10s of thousands of songs to choose from. My site with 5,000 tracks is peanuts. And the proof of that is that if you look up royalty free music keywords on Google, you'd probably go through 200 pages before my site even came up, if at all.

          I get all of 500 unique visitors a month. Not a day, a month. I'll be 90 years old by the time my site gets any traction in the SERPs, if at all.

          I thought content alone would be enough. It's not. So I'm branching out and trying something else in the affiliate area where I don't have to rely on SERPs to get traffic to my site. I'm pretty sure this other venture will at least produce a modest income if not a huge income. I just need to set everything up right and make sure I have more than just the one income stream. The tough part is going to be thinking of backend products to offer after the main one is purchased. If I can't, I'm probably looking at about a grand a month depending on how many affiliates I get and how successful they are. My experience with affiliates in the past has not been good. I'm hoping this product, which is out of the MMO niche, will turn things around.
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            Yep, had the same issue with my WP App, some affiliates signs up, and then one or more chargebacks for the $25 version happens!

            I eventually block the dodgy affiliates, but not after one or two get a freebie at someone else s inconvenience, including mine!

            But a good part are genuine sales.

            But at the moment, l am trying out two things that could make serious money, and another two that will take time!


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            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            In the grand scheme of things, it is no big deal. That's the problem. Look at the top RFM sites that get their content from submissions from composers all over the Internet. They literally have a catalog of 10s of thousands of songs to choose from. My site with 5,000 tracks is peanuts. And the proof of that is that if you look up royalty free music keywords on Google, you'd probably go through 200 pages before my site even came up, if at all.<snip>
            I respect your flexibility and know it is necessary for a person to make a living. 5000 tracks?! How long did it take you to compose that? How much of your heart and soul went into it? I don't imagine that it just flowed to you and you were merely transcribing it? I've gone through a lot of royalty free stuff. Much of it is OK, but your songs, by virtue of their quality, really should be standing out, but instead are being buried. For me, when it comes to Google. it is proof that, in significant ways, Google fails to deliver.
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            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            In the grand scheme of things, it is no big deal. That's the problem. Look at the top RFM sites that get their content from submissions from composers all over the Internet. They literally have a catalog of 10s of thousands of songs to choose from. My site with 5,000 tracks is peanuts. And the proof of that is that if you look up royalty free music keywords on Google, you'd probably go through 200 pages before my site even came up, if at all.

            I get all of 500 unique visitors a month. Not a day, a month. I'll be 90 years old by the time my site gets any traction in the SERPs, if at all.

            I thought content alone would be enough. It's not. So I'm branching out and trying something else in the affiliate area where I don't have to rely on SERPs to get traffic to my site. I'm pretty sure this other venture will at least produce a modest income if not a huge income. I just need to set everything up right and make sure I have more than just the one income stream. The tough part is going to be thinking of backend products to offer after the main one is purchased. If I can't, I'm probably looking at about a grand a month depending on how many affiliates I get and how successful they are. My experience with affiliates in the past has not been good. I'm hoping this product, which is out of the MMO niche, will turn things around.
            Fortunately that's not how SEO works, you could rank pages within a month If you actually did SEO. I looked at your backlink profile & all I see is nofollow Warrior Forum links which will never rank a page.

            It's a bit confusing why your targeting Warrior Forum instead of traffic sources that would be more likely to buy your product. I can't imagine WF traffic buying enough $1/$2 music downloads to make much of a profit. the type of traffic to be more likely to buy would something like audio jungle traffic (just an example).

            You say you have 5,000 products so I assume your site has 5,000 pages yet the site only has 29 pages indexed in Google SERPs. I didn't dig too deep into the site but something is wrong. It looks like your only using category pages.
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Yukon

              Fortunately that's not how SEO works, you could rank pages within a month If you actually did SEO. I looked at your backlink profile & all I see is nofollow Warrior Forum links which will never rank a page.
              I don't know how to do SEO and can't afford to hire somebody to do it for me, at least not now. It's going to have to wait.

              It's a bit confusing why your targeting Warrior Forum instead of traffic sources that would be more likely to buy your product. I can't imagine WF traffic buying enough $1/$2 music downloads to make much of a profit. the type of traffic to be more likely to buy would something like audio jungle traffic (just an example).
              I'm not targeting the WF. I'm not targeting anybody in particular, yet. I come here because I've been coming here for 8 years. If a few people ask me for music, great. If not, no big deal. This isn't my target market. Most people here are looking for "how to make money" stuff. I don't sell that stuff anymore. But that doesn't mean I'm going to abandon the few people here who have become my friends over the years. So no, I don't expect to make a living off of the WF.

              You say you have 5,000 products so I assume your site has 5,000 pages yet the site only has 29 pages indexed in Google SERPs. I didn't dig too deep into the site but something is wrong. It looks like your only using category pages.
              The products are in a WP eStore database and each product is part of a category. So when you go to the category, the script pulls all the products from the database that fit that particular category. Doing it any other way would be massive amounts of work having to hard code each track on it's own page. I know of know RFM site that does that.

              So what exactly would you have me do with the site that I'm not doing now, other than get somebody to SEO it for me, which, as I said, I can't afford?
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    Sound advice, Gary. No pun intended.
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  • Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    It may only be $1.99 but today has restored what little faith I have for humanity. Or maybe he just didn't know about the Firefox plugin.
    If you are thinking that your one customer paid for a track, only because either A: he's honest, or B: he didnt know he could get the track for free illegaly, then this sounds like you are probably marketing to the wrong crowd.

    You should be focusing on professional media customers who know the value of owning a paid legal license to use a music track. Real industry professionals will happily pay for a track, (and usually way more than $1.99) because they know that a license is required to use the music legally in their productions.

    Kids that download all your tracks illegally, are just a bunch of amateurs who probably just download them in order to resell them in bundles as we speak, or share them on illegal file sharing sites. They might even be stupid enough to use your tracks in their own videos etc and hope the thing doesn't go viral.

    If all you got out of setting up your music site is tons of illegal downloads, and one sale, then you should consider setting up shop in a different neighborhood. In order words, market your music to professionals.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      I'm not building a list yet. I don't have a funnel in place and there's really no point.
      Huh? With all due respect, Steven, I disagree. What's wrong with a simple "keep me in the loop" form? If someone likes your work (as clearly several people in this thread do), then you've made a connection with them that can work to your favor in the future. No fancy sales funnel needed. You never know what future value you may derive, and the cost to gather the emails is relatively trivial.

      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      It's not in the MMO niche.
      Just to be clear, your work can be used in other areas! :-) And not everyone here is necessarily in MMO (although some days I wonder).

      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      It's targeted to the exercise niche with a very unique product that does fill a need that isn't currently being filled, at least not very well.
      Excellent! Best of success!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by stoltingmediagroup View Post

      If you are thinking that your one customer paid for a track, only because either A: he's honest, or B: he didnt know he could get the track for free illegaly, then this sounds like you are probably marketing to the wrong crowd.

      You should be focusing on professional media customers who know the value of owning a paid legal license to use a music track. Real industry professionals will happily pay for a track, (and usually way more than $1.99) because they know that a license is required to use the music legally in their productions.

      Kids that download all your tracks illegally, are just a bunch of amateurs who probably just download them in order to resell them in bundles as we speak, or share them on illegal file sharing sites. They might even be stupid enough to use your tracks in their own videos etc and hope the thing doesn't go viral.

      If all you got out of setting up your music site is tons of illegal downloads, and one sale, then you should consider setting up shop in a different neighborhood. In order words, market your music to professionals.
      Marketing to the wrong crowd. Hmmm. Let's see. I don't think I have any control over who comes to my site. I certainly can't block people can I?

      As far as targeted marketing (directly contacting certain people) I wouldn't even know where to begin. I don't know who is looking for music. It could be just about anybody. And big corporations usually already have in house staff or consultants who handle all this.

      So who are these professionals I'm supposed to be marketing to and just how am I supposed to be going about doing that? If you have any idea how to go about this I'd love to know as I am clueless.
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    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    After thousands of illegal downloads, and having lost all hope for this site to be anything but a lost cause, there it was...a sale for one of my tracks for $1.99.
    Steven, are you sure those are illegal downloads? I checked out your site and listened to all metal and some classical tracks. If someone listens to a track, doesn't that count as a download? The server log will show that the file has been accessed. I haven't actually looked at your source code and don't know how the files are being served, so I might be wrong. I added two tracks to a cart ("Dying a Little At a Time" and "Molten Metal"). Do you see how many files and witch ones have been added to cart by customers?

    I'd recommend you to do this: only allow visitors to listen to a few sample tracks and require them to register to listen to entire collection. Also, watermark the tracks as was suggested by others. Then see if there are any uncompleted purchases - tracks added to cart but not paid for. Contact those members and remind them to complete the purchase or ask them why they didn't pay.

    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    Look at the top RFM sites that get their content from submissions from composers all over the Internet. They literally have a catalog of 10s of thousands of songs to choose from. My site with 5,000 tracks is peanuts.
    I thought content alone would be enough. It's not. So I'm branching out and trying something else in the affiliate area where I don't have to rely on SERPs to get traffic to my site.
    That's the problem with people. They compete with each other over Google rankings and lowest price, instead of uniting to create a business together. What if 10 or 100 people with collections like yours would join forces? That business might have a chance to compete with giants.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Steve,

    First, kudos to you for getting this site to where it is now. Did you do all those tracks? I am truly amazed

    Second - HN hit something pretty much on the head. More than likely when people preview the songs it will count as a download in most stats. I have no idea if you are tracking actual downloads via a script, but if not, you should.

    Third, none of the songs I looked at are protected from taking . The full path to each file is easily seen with a simple view source. Now, I get that it's damn near impossible to keep people from sharing digital files - I have been doing this a while But why make it easy? The audio water marking is a great suggestion. Then separate the actual music file from a preview (watermarked) file. Use something that verifies purchase before downloading. Using Wordpress, I can almost guarantee you can find something to handle that.

    As for marketing, if you want this site to succeed, then there's a couple of things you need to do. The first thing is to stop selling yourself short. Who cares about the big guys. Don't compete with them. There's no point. But don't convince yourself that success is impossible because of them either.

    The second thing to do is track everything. ALL of your metrics. Traffic, downloads, visitors, where they are coming from, how long they stay on your site, where they go on your site, etc. After a while you will start to see patterns, which will spark marketing ideas.

    And third, get off the "I have no sales funnel" kick and GET A SUBSCRIBE FORM ON THERE NOW! You don't need to have a product to offer at this point. You can start a list of visitors who want to know when you release new tracks. THOSE are hot prospects who would obviously be interested in your tracks. You can figure out later what and how to market them.

    None of this is easy or overnight - I get that. I get you need to make money now. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. But don't settle for what your site is now. Build on it. I can't imagine that after composing 5000 tracks that you're ready or willing to give up on it. Do all that tracking and sooner or later your direction for this site will become clear.

    That's all I got
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    I think I am going to have a heart attack.

    I had taken down all my IM related products and links so there's no way this could possibly happen, or so I thought.

    I'm checking my email and I see "Notification Of Payment Received". Now, you know that all the slimy spammers use this tactic to get you to open their email. Well, given my current status, I was 100% sure that's what this was. But for the love of God, for some reason, I decided to open this email. Please don't ask me why because I have no idea.

    And then I started going though it. It wasn't the usual "This could be what you see in your email box on a daily basis" kind of crap. It looked real. And I kept scrolling down the email to see what I could have possibly sold with no active links online.

    The shock I got can not be put into words.

    It was one of the tracks off my new site. After thousands of illegal downloads, and having lost all hope for this site to be anything but a lost cause, there it was...a sale for one of my tracks for $1.99.

    Out of the thousands of people who came to my site and downloaded thousands of tracks illegally, one honest person in this world.

    My wife was convinced they didn't exist and I was starting to think she was right.

    It may only be $1.99 but today has restored what little faith I have for humanity.

    Or maybe he just didn't know about the Firefox plugin.
    I guess you know now that I am the guy who bought your song now? $1.99, less than a cup of coffee, is a cheap price to pay to restore someone's faith in humanity and have rights to use a great song to boot. My cup of Americano that I bought today is long gone, but this song is still with me. I put it on this video near the ending:

    (I do happen to be aware of ways to illegally download files, the easiest of which is very rudimentary and doesn't require any plugins in the case of your site. Just being able to do so, doesn't mean that a person will. Since I first learned about it, I have been perturbed over how your precious bounty of original songs is just being pillaged like that. I see that securing your site would be a massive undertaking. It would be nice if of was secured)
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      I guess you know now that I am the guy who bought your song now? $1.99, less than a cup of coffee, is a cheap price to pay to restore someone's faith in humanity and have rights to use a great song to boot. My cup of Americano that I bought today is long gone, but this song is still with me. I put it on this video near the ending:
      warriorforum quotes video - YouTube

      (I do happen to be aware of ways to illegally download files, the easiest of which is very rudimentary and doesn't require any plugins in the case of your site. Just being able to do so, doesn't mean that a person will. Since I first learned about it, I have been perturbed over how your precious bounty of original songs is just being pillaged like that. I see that securing your site would be a massive undertaking. It would be nice if of was secured)
      You know, hearing the piece in context, I almost didn't recognize it as my own. I have to admit, it sounded really good. I always loved writing orchestral scores that were a little melodramatic if nothing else. lol.

      Other than that, I don't know what else to say other than you obviously put a ton of work into this video. Any plans for it or just did it for fun?
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        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

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        Other than that, I don't know what else to say other than you obviously put a ton of work into this video. Any plans for it or just did it for fun?
        I just did it for fun. It was just a "finger exercise"
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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    I think I am going to have a heart attack.

    I had taken down all my IM related products and links so there's no way this could possibly happen, or so I thought.

    I'm checking my email and I see "Notification Of Payment Received". Now, you know that all the slimy spammers use this tactic to get you to open their email. Well, given my current status, I was 100% sure that's what this was. But for the love of God, for some reason, I decided to open this email. Please don't ask me why because I have no idea.

    And then I started going though it. It wasn't the usual "This could be what you see in your email box on a daily basis" kind of crap. It looked real. And I kept scrolling down the email to see what I could have possibly sold with no active links online.

    The shock I got can not be put into words.

    It was one of the tracks off my new site. After thousands of illegal downloads, and having lost all hope for this site to be anything but a lost cause, there it was...a sale for one of my tracks for $1.99.

    Out of the thousands of people who came to my site and downloaded thousands of tracks illegally, one honest person in this world.

    My wife was convinced they didn't exist and I was starting to think she was right.

    It may only be $1.99 but today has restored what little faith I have for humanity.

    Or maybe he just didn't know about the Firefox plugin.
    May I ask why you don't sell your music through Amazon or ITunes?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

      May I ask why you don't sell your music through Amazon or ITunes?
      There is a whole lot of red tape you have to go through to sell music through Amazon and iTunes because of copyright hassles. In short, they don't want to take the risk so you have to sell through them through a third party and that third party charges you to sell your music and it's not cheap. So that's why I don't bother.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    At what point in that video does Steven's music come in?
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      At what point in that video does Steven's music come in?
      It is the final score on the video, at the end, just after "...my son, 4..."
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        It is the final score on the video, at the end, just after "...my son, 4..."
        WOW.... I have to apologize Steven, that score was actually much better than I assumed it was going to be. I honestly think that if you are patient and keep plugging away, that word of mouth will be a huge factor. - In fact I'm going to scour your site today for a video project I'm working on.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          WOW.... I have to apologize Steven, that score was actually much better than I assumed it was going to be. I honestly think that if you are patient and keep plugging away, that word of mouth will be a huge factor. - In fact I'm going to scour your site today for a video project I'm working on.
          Gary, I'm really not too concerned. Between the 4 projects I'm working on, one of them is going to take off. As far as scouring the site, don't knock yourself out. There are over 5,000 tracks and the search feature isn't the greatest in the world but it's the best I could find.

          You probably want to stick to the orchestral category for the "safe" stuff. Classical gets a little weird and the rock, pop, dance and electronic stuff is just plain quirky me.
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    Anyway you have a good news at last, but really you need to do something to secure your hard work and try to sell more than the illegal downloads.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I'm addicted to your Misc and Psychedelic sections. I've already made one purchase.

    A couple of questions:

    Can I use this music in a commercial product?

    And - on your website when browsing the music, the page numbers are not properly linked to more pages. Are there supposed to be more pages of music?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I'm addicted to your Misc and Psychedelic sections. I've already made one purchase.

      A couple of questions:

      Can I use this music in a commercial product?

      And - on your website when browsing the music, the page numbers are not properly linked to more pages. Are there supposed to be more pages of music?

      Thanks
      Gary, you can use the music in a commercial product. No problem.

      As far as the page numbers not being properly linked when browsing, I'm not exactly sure what you mean. There are two ways to browse through the site.

      1) At the top menu there is a choice that says "Music". If you click on that, a drop down will show all the different categories. You can then choose one from there.

      After you do, you'll be taken to the page with that category. Each page lists 10 tracks. At the bottom of the page you'll see 1 2 3 and Last. Those are the page numbers you can directly go to. Unfortunately, the way WP eStore and this WP theme is designed, it won't actually show all the pages 1,2,3,4,5 and so on. So you'll have to take your browsing one page at a time or enter in the page number you want to go to. It's kind of moot because the tracks are listed by item number and not alphabetically. So you wouldn't be able to find something specific unless you used option 2.

      2) Click on "Search For Music" You'll be taken to a page that lists all the categories. From there, just click on the category you're interested in. You'll be taken to a page that has a product search box at the top and the beginning of a regular listing below that. If you type something into the search box, it will then display all the tracks in that category that match your criteria. Say for example you're looking for a "very slow" track. If you type in very slow (no quotes as the search hates them) into the search box, it will list every track that has the exact phrase very slow.

      It's not the greatest search feature in the world but it's all that's available for this platform unless I have some programmer do custom work for me, something I can't afford right now.

      Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Hi Steve, what I mean is that when I browse a section, it shows the 1 2 3 and last like you said, but when I click on a page number it takes me back to the main page.

    I'm going to be working on a psychedelic channel for the Roku using Hi-def kaleidoscope videos etc - and your music would be great in the background. I'll be coming back to buy more when I get it started.


    edit - I think I see what is going on. When I click on "search for music" and then try to browse the pages from in there, the numbered links at the bottom do not work. But if I browse from the "music" link, the numbered links work. Either way I'm finding my way around thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Hi Steve, what I mean is that when I browse a section, it shows the 1 2 3 and last like you said, but when I click on a page number it takes me back to the main page.

      I'm going to be working on a psychedelic channel for the Roku using Hi-def kaleidoscope videos etc - and your music would be great in the background. I'll be coming back to buy more when I get it started.


      edit - I think I see what is going on. When I click on "search for music" and then try to browse the pages from in there, the numbered links at the bottom do not work. But if I browse from the "music" link, the numbered links work. Either way I'm finding my way around thanks.
      Yeah, the numbered links don't work in the "Search For Music" section and I think I know why. The explanation is kind of convoluted and programming speak so let's just say what's happening is that the script is forgetting where it is after it matches the search criteria. The search feature itself was really a band aid to a problem of not having one at all. A real good programmer would have to totally take apart the code to make it work properly.
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