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What are some ways a homeless person can get on their feet?

They are sleeping on someone's sofa in the ghetto but will have to go to a shelter today. I heard the shelters are dangerous. Has anyone stayed in one?

They have no car and there is nothing really in walking distance other than boarded up buildings. They have a cell phone and one day's bus pass. No cash.

You folks are very resourceful. I hope you can come up with some good ideas.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Frankly, I would suggest getting OUT of the ghetto. It would ALSO be best that they don't have the ghetto mentality.

    Shelters, at least in the US, can VARY! Some are dangerous, and some are very safe. I technically only stayed in two. I stayed in one as a project, and I was there to help those that needed help. It was out of a church! I stayed in the other because I was temporarily effectively an orphan. It was literally NEXT DOOR to, and built on, a police station!

    There ARE buses and most streets allow easy passage. In some areas, they have a decent metro system that is inexpensive.

    BTW new clothes, and a good cleaning are a help. In the US today there shouldn't be a reason to be homeless.

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    • Profile picture of the author craighakwins
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Frankly, I would suggest getting OUT of the ghetto. It would ALSO be best that they don't have the ghetto mentality.

      Shelters, at least in the US, can VARY! Some are dangerous, and some are very safe. I technically only stayed in two. I stayed in one as a project, and I was there to help those that needed help. It was out of a church! I stayed in the other because I was temporarily effectively an orphan. It was literally NEXT DOOR to, and built on, a police station!

      There ARE buses and most streets allow easy passage. In some areas, they have a decent metro system that is inexpensive.

      BTW new clothes, and a good cleaning are a help. In the US today there shouldn't be a reason to be homeless.

      Steve
      I agree!

      Don't even put the word "ghetto" in your vocabulary.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    If they really want to get a new start, have them go to the Salvation Army and volunteer. Many people have found new life that way.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      If they really want to get a new start, have them go to the Salvation Army and volunteer. Many people have found new life that way.
      Yeah, The Salvation Army will likely give the homeless person a place to stay. But your friend will need to get a job, locally. the Salvation Army will help in many ways.

      And get out of the Ghetto. Every major city has a huge Salvation Army facility.

      And they do background checks. To keep out the trouble makers. And they have rules. Your friend should be safe.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Being truly homeless is much more complex than to just get a job.

    First, a homeless person probably only has one set of clothes and needs a shower, not optimal for job interviews. Then there's the lack of "infrastructure" that will allow the person to be contacted if they do happen to get a job, not to mention what address and phone number do they put on the job app?

    But an even bigger deal is that you can become too poor to get a job. Very few jobs pay daily and many pay every week or two, with a one week "hold". It's pretty common for it to take 2-3 weeks to get your first check. A hungry person can't go this long without eating, so they need to spend their time hustling and/or going to soup kitchens to get a meal instead of working at a job.

    When a person is homeless, the biggest problem is immediate cash flow and/or a commitment to help them with the understanding that it will take months AFTER they get consistent cashflow to get back on their feet.

    I will say the Internet can be a big asset as people willing to work can post ads on Craigslist for doing odd jobs. However, they will still need to be able to be contacted and have a means for transportation.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Being truly homeless is much more complex than to just get a job.

      First, a homeless person probably only has one set of clothes and needs a shower, not optimal for job interviews. Then there's the lack of "infrastructure" that will allow the person to be contacted if they do happen to get a job, not to mention what address and phone number do they put on the job app?

      But an even bigger deal is that you can become too poor to get a job. Very few jobs pay daily and many pay every week or two, with a one week "hold". It's pretty common for it to take 2-3 weeks to get your first check. A hungry person can't go this long without eating, so they need to spend their time hustling and/or going to soup kitchens to get a meal instead of working at a job.

      When a person is homeless, the biggest problem is immediate cash flow and/or a commitment to help them with the understanding that it will take months AFTER they get consistent cashflow to get back on their feet.

      I will say the Internet can be a big asset as people willing to work can post ads on Craigslist for doing odd jobs. However, they will still need to be able to be contacted and have a means for transportation.
      Some of the better charities provide an address, phone number, shower, place to stay, job help, and even clothes. Of course, they ALSO continue that for a time. HECK, Mens wearhouse is running a suitdrive now! You turn in a nice suit, and they give you a 50% discount on a new suit, and provide the old suit to the homeless.

      National Suit Drive| Men's Wearhouse

      That is NOT an affiliate link.

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    • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
      While I do agree with Kurt, one can typically get paid daily at:
      Labor Ready - Temporary Labor Agency - Temporary Worker

      Admittedly, one needs to be reasonably clean, sober, able-bodied, and willing to report for work around 5am with a positive attitude.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

        While I do agree with Kurt, one can typically get paid daily at:
        Labor Ready - Temporary Labor Agency - Temporary Worker

        Admittedly, one needs to be reasonably clean, sober, able-bodied, and willing to report for work around 5am with a positive attitude.
        Daily work is an option to help get some cash for the short term, but you will never escape being homeless through day labor.

        There's a few problems...One is that they tend to <understandably> favor workers that have built a reputation. They will put out workers they trust first, then only fill the other job orders with "unknowns" if they have plenty of jobs for the day.

        If you do get sent out, you'll get minumum wage minus social security. If the job is for an entire day, let's call that about $55 a day. That's enough to get a cheap hotel room and eat, but nothing is left over for savings.

        However, you probably won't get out every day, some days there just aren't any jobs. Also, it's hard to get hired on Saturdays and most daily labor shops aren't even open on Sundays. Then there's the legal holidays. So, you have to take your $55 a day, put some away to make sure you have enough for the days you can't work.

        Daily labor is helpful for those that have a place to stay and are paying monthly rent. But people that are homeless or pay rent by the day or week will never make it out without something else.

        And many shelters have deadlines and limited space. If you're not there by 6 pm, you may not get a bed. By the time you do your 8 hours and travel back and forth from a daily job, you may not get to a shelter in time.

        Daily labor can help feed someone, but it really won't help someone that's homeless from not being homeless.
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        • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Daily work is an option to help get some cash for the short term, but you will never escape being homeless through day labor....

          Daily labor can help feed someone, but it really won't help someone that's homeless from not being homeless.
          Absolutely not arguing, Kurt. But some cash is better than no cash; one needs to start in some direction. There's also some emotional boost to working and being productive, even if just for a day.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

            Absolutely not arguing, Kurt. But some cash is better than no cash; one needs to start in some direction. There's also some emotional boost to working and being productive, even if just for a day.
            Hi David,

            I'm not arguing, or even disagreeing with your post.

            I'm just pointing out some things that may not be obvious to some folks.

            My real point is, the homeless need help from someone as it's just about impossible to pull yourself up once you're in that situation. The help can come in many ways, such as teaming up with another homeless person or two to share expenses and resources, assuming they are also hard working, honest and dependable.

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  • Profile picture of the author taskemann
    Pack the backpack, get out of the ghetto and get to the countryside and ask for work at the farms you travel by. For shelter while you're traveling on the countryside trying to find a job, you actually only need a tarp, a sleeping pad and a sleeping bag (or a wool blanket).

    That's what I would do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by taskemann View Post

      Pack the backpack, get out of the ghetto and get to the countryside and ask for work at the farms you travel by. For shelter while you're traveling on the countryside trying to find a job, you actually only need a tarp, a sleeping pad and a sleeping bag (or a wool blanket).

      That's what I would do.
      Have you actually tied this or is it just theory?

      I'm trying to imagine how this would actually work in the desert SW USA.

      And where do you sleep? Tresspass on private property? Only on Fed/State land, that have rules about this type of thing? There's people around here that do try though, and a few get away with it...for a while.

      Plus to think you can survive where I live with only a tarp, pad and blanket isn't realistic and I don't know any survival experts that believe this is all you need.

      One option is to try to find a resort job that offers room, board and a small wage...skills permitting. There are a few other jobs that will include living premises.

      Partnering with other homeless people to share living expenses is an option too, but there's a number of thieves and people that won't keep their end of the bargain.

      Other jobs like being a waiter/waitress/bussboy, cab driver, bar tender will pay daily, at least in the form of tips.
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      • Profile picture of the author taskemann
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Have you actually tied this or is it just theory?

        I'm trying to imagine how this would actually work in the desert SW USA.

        And where do you sleep? Tresspass on private property? Only on Fed/State land, that have rules about this type of thing? There's people around here that do try though, and a few get away with it...for a while.

        Plus to think you can survive where I live with only a tarp, pad and blanket isn't realistic and I don't know any survival experts that believe this is all you need.
        I have camped under a tarp many times. Sometimes up to a week out in the woods in the winter. Luckily, I haven't been homeless though. It has all been on purpose and free will.

        It's fully plausible to do that even in the artic regions. That's also how many homeless people live (for example the itinerant Romanians who live in the woods outside of our major cities). If you have a warm sleeping bag (mine is a 11 pound heavy -22F/-30C army sleepingbag from the 80's) and with a thick sleeping pad (a reindeer hide is even better) and a fire that is reflecting the heat onto the tarp and back to the area where you are laying, it's incredible how comfortable it is. Even if it's winter.

        I have no idea about the American property laws though. Here you can camp on any land (private, state, county owned, etc.) except from peoples gardens, crops and lawns without the owners permission. On private owned land, you can camp maximum 2 days on the same spot. If you want to camp longer on the same spot, you need the land owners permission. Also, you cannot destroy the property without permission of course. But you can gather dry dead wood from the ground as firewood and make grill spears of young small trees/branches. This is an ancient scandinavian law dating far back to the viking age and everyone is happy about it both the campers/hikers and the land owners. Never ever heard or read about a land owner complaining about it. Most land owners encourages people to use their land by making nice paths, putting up signs about information of the area, putting up small sheds that has basic survival gear and dry firewood that's unlocked and available to anyone, etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author nipsyr
          Originally Posted by taskemann View Post


          I have no idea about the American property laws though. Here you can camp on any land (private, state, county owned, etc.) except from peoples gardens and lawns without the owners permission. On private owned land, you can camp maximum 2 days on the same spot. If you want to camp longer on the same spot, you need the land owners permission. Also, you cannot destroy the property without permission of course. But you can gather dry dead wood from the ground as firewood and make grill spears of young small trees/branches. This is an ancient scandinavian law dating far back to the viking age and everyone is happy about it both the campers/hikers and the land owners. Never ever heard or read about a land owner complaining about it. Most land owners encourages people to use their land by making nice paths, putting up signs about information of the area, putting up small sheds that has basic survival gear and dry firewood that's unlocked and available to anyone, etc.
          The US seems pretty restrictive about many things from what I hear. Maybe an American can jump in with more info.

          The camping is giving me an idea. Apparently Seattle has tent cities for homeless. I wonder if that would be an option? I don't know about their public transport.

          Maybe someone here knows?
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by taskemann View Post

          I have no idea about the American property laws though. Here you can camp on any land (private, state, county owned, etc.) except from peoples gardens, crops and lawns without the owners permission. On private owned land, you can camp maximum 2 days on the same spot. If you want to camp longer on the same spot, you need the land owners permission. Also, you cannot destroy the property without permission of course. But you can gather dry dead wood from the ground as firewood and make grill spears of young small trees/branches. This is an ancient scandinavian law dating far back to the viking age and everyone is happy about it both the campers/hikers and the land owners. Never ever heard or read about a land owner complaining about it. Most land owners encourages people to use their land by making nice paths, putting up signs about information of the area, putting up small sheds that has basic survival gear and dry firewood that's unlocked and available to anyone, etc.
          YEAH, Denmark sounds like IT is much the same way. The US is ******NOT****** that way! If you have heard of cliven bundy, you ALREADY likely know how the government treats "their" land! The fact is that it is NOT even "their" land! It is SUPPOSED to be land set aside for reasonable use BY THE PUBLIC! Fishing, Camping, Hiking, etc... They may even allow HUNTING at various times. BTW they often DO limit even FISHING. You may have to get a fishing license and it may restrict the size and type of fish. You catch the wrong fish, and have to release it. Basically, land that nobody is to treat as if they own it, and be able to use at a modest cost, if any. They DO have various costs after all for security, etc... PRIVATE property is different, and there are laws against trespass. HECK, they realized that it would become an issue, so the constitution allows for the creation of an easement of sorts IF it is needed to benefit the GENERAL PUBLIC. That is called eminent domain. THEN the government can act as if the property is theirs, so long as it is for that use.

          AMERICANS can't simply let people cross across their land, as you described. If they do, it can become an EASEMENT. They may be forced to maintain it, and not block it. The easement, or rather the responsibility for it, would be sold with the property, but it continues.

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          • Profile picture of the author taskemann
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            YEAH, Denmark sounds like IT is much the same way. The US is ******NOT****** that way! If you have heard of cliven bundy, you ALREADY likely know how the government treats "their" land! The fact is that it is NOT even "their" land! It is SUPPOSED to be land set aside for reasonable use BY THE PUBLIC! Fishing, Camping, Hiking, etc... They may even allow HUNTING at various times. BTW they often DO limit even FISHING. You may have to get a fishing license and it may restrict the size and type of fish. You catch the wrong fish, and have to release it. Basically, land that nobody is to treat as if they own it, and be able to use at a modest cost, if any. They DO have various costs after all for security, etc... PRIVATE property is different, and there are laws against trespass. HECK, they realized that it would become an issue, so the constitution allows for the creation of an easement of sorts IF it is needed to benefit the GENERAL PUBLIC. That is called eminent domain. THEN the government can act as if the property is theirs, so long as it is for that use.

            AMERICANS can't simply let people cross across their land, as you described. If they do, it can become an EASEMENT. They may be forced to maintain it, and not block it. The easement, or rather the responsibility for it, would be sold with the property, but it continues.

            Steve
            Ah I see... That makes it a bit difficult.

            When it comes to fishing license, you also need that here if you fish on another man's property (only applies to lakes and rivers as the state owns the sea). You can buy those licenses on local gas stations and outdoor stores. But he can give you permission to fish there for free.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by taskemann View Post

          I have camped under a tarp many times. Sometimes up to a week out in the woods in the winter. Luckily, I haven't been homeless though. It has all been on purpose and free will.

          It's fully plausible to do that even in the artic regions. That's also how many homeless people live (for example the itinerant Romanians who live in the woods outside of our major cities). If you have a warm sleeping bag (mine is a 11 pound heavy -22F/-30C army sleepingbag from the 80's) and with a thick sleeping pad (a reindeer hide is even better) and a fire that is reflecting the heat onto the tarp and back to the area where you are laying, it's incredible how comfortable it is. Even if it's winter.

          I have no idea about the American property laws though. Here you can camp on any land (private, state, county owned, etc.) except from peoples gardens, crops and lawns without the owners permission. On private owned land, you can camp maximum 2 days on the same spot. If you want to camp longer on the same spot, you need the land owners permission. Also, you cannot destroy the property without permission of course. But you can gather dry dead wood from the ground as firewood and make grill spears of young small trees/branches. This is an ancient scandinavian law dating far back to the viking age and everyone is happy about it both the campers/hikers and the land owners. Never ever heard or read about a land owner complaining about it. Most land owners encourages people to use their land by making nice paths, putting up signs about information of the area, putting up small sheds that has basic survival gear and dry firewood that's unlocked and available to anyone, etc.
          There's a BIG difference between camping for a week and having a home to go to after, and being homeless.

          Plus, we can't do most of that in the US. Here, tresspassers could be shot. In the western US, we often have "no burn" periods because of the fire danger. Although where I live there are some younger folks that work in town then pitch a tent in a surrounding National park or forest. However, they are constantly on the move due to park laws and regulations.

          BTW, I'm fairly knowledgable with nature survival techniques...actually, my brother and I are trying to design an "indoor" heating system that uses a welder's blanket, since they can withstand 1000 F. We're trying to come up with something that combines the principals of a dakota fire pit/rocket stove with the welder's blanket so we can burn an efficient fire indoors but pump the smoke out.

          Until then, for your part of the world (and mine), I suggest the Kochanski "super shelter"...It uses the greenhouse effect along with heat reflction:


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          • Profile picture of the author taskemann
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            We're trying to come up with something that combines the principals of a dakota fire pit/rocket stove with the welder's blanket so we can burn an efficient fire indoors but pump the smoke out.
            What about a lavvu design with one pipe on each side for the rocket stove that sits in the middle - one for air, and the other for exhaust?

            By the way, this is the first time I've ever heard of a rocket stove.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Originally Posted by nipsyr View Post

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    They are sleeping on someone's sofa in the ghetto but will have to go to a shelter today. I heard the shelters are dangerous. Has anyone stayed in one?<snip>.
    I live in Canada which would be a different from the US when it comes to shelters, and probably safer (I don't know for sure, just guessing). I did once sleep at a shelter. It wasn't so bad. The only annoying thing was a guy making homosexual advances at me even after I made it clear that I'm straight. Also stayed in Skid Row for a spell and saw a number of fights from my window, including a couple of stabbings. I occasionally drank in skid row bars (never was alcoholic) and they can get quite violent. Yet, I was only rarely personally threatened, but I am actually pretty good at defusing situations,

    I faced the greatest personal danger when I stayed at a rooming house (vs Skid Row hotel), It had ex-convicts and down-and-out types there. At that place a young dude, totally unprovoked, lunged at me with a knife. I ended that fight quickly with a judo flip (which was probably a stupid move since I could have fallen on top of the knife) and hitting him in the face a few times. I got out of that place the same night. BTW, after paying rent, they spent all their welfare money on booze and dope, then ate in soup kitchens.

    In my experience, Canada is a safe country. Other places I've been to were worse (but I'm not going there).
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Do you have a smart-phone? If so, use your legs and your smart-phone for a bit of craigslist bartering and arbitrage. Start in the free section, and trade/sell your way up.
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  • Profile picture of the author NRabosa
    Originally Posted by nipsyr View Post

    They have no car and there is nothing really in walking distance other than boarded up buildings. They have a cell phone and one day's bus pass. No cash..
    Very much like the plot of an RPG. What I would do if I were homeless with this in my inventory is do errands. First objective: Feed myself. But I don't have money. So, instead of panhandling, I'd offer any passersby if they'd need me to do anything... It could be street performing, menial tasks. i won't beg for money, but I would certainly be firm about begging for work. Compensation could either be in the for of food and/or cash, but money could really work at this moment in your life.

    As you get the trust of the community, You'd be known as that Helpful Hobo. If you'd get lucky, Media will pick you up as a feature story, or if not, just one of those unsung heroes of our times. Still, someone is bound to notice you.

    If you have acquired enough experience points, you can level up by asking for a proper job, say, like in a car wash. Be honest and respectful to your employer and raise your reputation level. Make this as your first Class Change.

    The important thing to have during this Class Change is to improve your attribute points (though you can't still max it out yet because EXP is trickling at a sluggish pace and droprate's low percentage)

    Build up on inventory. Skills are highly valued in this competitive world and if you have innate abilities use it to the fullest. If not, bluff your way into it. Remember your training from the previous errands you've had. You don't have to be an expert. Basic knowledge of how things work can land you a job ( My uncle became a master mechanic through this method)

    Take care of your HP and MP at all times! Healthy Body and a Sound Mind would help you survive the harsh conditions of the unsheltered world.

    I hope anyone can relate to this. I've been a bum once kicked out of the house. It's not fun and safe at all since I came from a Third World Country. Reason: They say I'm a slacker but I am a dreamer. I just don't know where to put my efforts into. They say I play too much video games, they don't know I'm training my hand-eye coordination all the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Sometimes well-intentioned programs for people in destitute situations create a fish-in-a-barrel kind of hunting ground for predators. I hear a lot of anecdotal stories to this effect when it comes certain areas in Vancouver. The most dramatic case was serial killer Robert Pickton plucking vulnerable off the streets, doing so for years, with local law enforcement being singularly inept and actually firing the one person who was onto what was going on (a tragic national shame and embarrassment for Canada).

    Any solution has to be pragmatic. Many homeless people have issues of the mind that have to be somehow resolved before they'd be fit to work. I get quite sick of inaccurate characterizations from both left and the right. Yeah, it IS better to pull yourself up by the bootstraps. Government usually fails to properly address anything in a person's life. However, before that happens someone has to somehow reach a state in which he/she can make a livelihood.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      Sometimes well-intentioned programs for people in destitute situations create a fish-in-a-barrel kind of hunting ground for predators. I hear a lot of anecdotal stories to this effect when it comes certain areas in Vancouver.

      Any solution has to be pragmatic. Many homeless people have issues of the mind that have to be somehow resolved before they'd be fit to work. I get quite sick of inaccurate characterizations from both left and the right. Yeah, it IS better to pull yourself up by the bootstraps. Government usually fails to properly address anything in a person's life. However, before that happens someone has to somehow reach a state in which he/she can make a livelihood.
      Yeah, there ARE problems that are REAL and may have to be fixed by the person or someone else, etc...

      I've known some people that hijacked THEMSELVES, and some that just needed HELP. And I alluded to the "ghetto mindset" that some have.

      And some just have to use other services. I wish things were perfect, but they aren't.

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  • Profile picture of the author candoit2
    Tell your friends to keep an eye out for things like a business with lots of trash around it that needs to be picked up. Hedges, fences etc where it get's blown in and is an eyesore.

    Even check if the parking lot could use a good sweeping and remove dirt etc.

    Go and say "do you mind if I pick up that garbage, and give the lot a good sweeping?"

    Don't worry about asking or what you will get.

    Not many business owners are going to let an obviously down and out person come and do that work, and then let them go without rewarding them with cash, food, a job or a job lead etc.

    Offer them a favor, not ask for one.

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  • Profile picture of the author nipsyr
    Thanks for all the tips and suggestions.
    It seems like he will have to take a chance on one of the shelters.

    He was going to go to this one but then heard rumors of how they exploit the vulnerable people staying there as not allowing them to attend job interviews. Not allowed to keep cell phone. Plus the stories of people being robbed and assaulted in some of them.

    Some of the rules of these places don't mesh with trying to find work or working a job. The places where you have to line up by a certain time to get a bed.

    The city he is in is really made for people with cars. Very poor public transport.

    He has been getting calls for interviews but finding it difficult to get to the interviews without money for the bus. Then there is the 2 hour ride one way.

    Like one poster said, many places you might be waiting 2 weeks or so to get a pay check so you have to be able to afford to get there until you get paid.

    Maybe he can try the day labor places to start with? Maybe try panhandling, will work for food signs?
    I am just wondering about him being arrested for doing that though. Don't want that to happen.

    I thought about starting a fund raiser for him but frankly I suspect he would get better results with something like that if he were a cute young female.

    I am wondering if he would be better off in a city where a car wasn't really needed? Might have a better chance.

    His situation is a sad one. He was the caretaker of his father who had a long battle with cancer. The father died and then he went to live with an elderly grandparent taking care of her until she died and the relative that was executor kicked him out and he had nowhere to go. He went to trade school but didn't get a chance to do anything with it because of the years spent taking care of sick relatives.

    The saddest part is that the executor and these other vulture relatives did nothing while the gran was still alive. My friend was burdened with all her care and she was too sickly to change her will or anything so they took everything and booted him out in the street.

    I live in another country so I am limited as to what I can do.

    Keep the ideas coming.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by nipsyr View Post

      Thanks for all the tips and suggestions.
      It seems like he will have to take a chance on one of the shelters.

      He was going to go to this one but then heard rumors of how they exploit the vulnerable people staying there as not allowing them to attend job interviews. Not allowed to keep cell phone. Plus the stories of people being robbed and assaulted in some of them.
      Some of them have income requirements, or are for short term shelters. So don't think all places are right for this sort of thing.

      Some of the rules of these places don't mesh with trying to find work or working a job. The places where you have to line up by a certain time to get a bed.
      They may even have a curfew.

      The city he is in is really made for people with cars. Very poor public transport.
      Then he probably should walk more, and limit the search area.

      He has been getting calls for interviews but finding it difficult to get to the interviews without money for the bus. Then there is the 2 hour ride one way.
      2 hours, on an ongoing basis, is a BAD idea. He should try to have it no more than 1 hour, and many hate THAT!

      Like one poster said, many places you might be waiting 2 weeks or so to get a pay check so you have to be able to afford to get there until you get paid.
      Yeah, you need to prepare for that. ALSO, it might be a good idea to ask for a W4 and claim a LOT of exemptions. Taxes will cut into pay a lot. Of course my suggestions HERE are US centric!

      Maybe he can try the day labor places to start with? Maybe try panhandling, will work for food signs?
      I am just wondering about him being arrested for doing that though. Don't want that to happen.
      That ISN'T a job!

      I thought about starting a fund raiser for him but frankly I suspect he would get better results with something like that if he were a cute young female.
      Have you SEEN what some cute young females have done? AGAIN, NOT A JOB!

      I am wondering if he would be better off in a city where a car wasn't really needed? Might have a better chance.
      CERTAINLY he would, but it is harder to determine than you may think. In the US, some of the nicest, quietest, and simple areas require cars, and some big metropolitan areas don't so much.

      His situation is a sad one. He was the caretaker of his father who had a long battle with cancer. The father died and then he went to live with an elderly grandparent taking care of her until she died and the relative that was executor kicked him out and he had nowhere to go. He went to trade school but didn't get a chance to do anything with it because of the years spent taking care of sick relatives.

      The saddest part is that the executor and these other vulture relatives did nothing while the gran was still alive. My friend was burdened with all her care and she was too sickly to change her will or anything so they took everything and booted him out in the street.
      GEE, maybe you should leave him to his own devices! WHAT? Did he figure he would get everything and just have a comfortable life for nothing?

      And a person isn't going to have a full staff for that sort of thing. They aren't going to have multiple people working to clean them, or one to JUST clean, and the person trusted to clean them would likely be expected to take them to the restroom. A cook would likely be expected to do other things, and possibly even be the other person. If the person were so sickly, they probably didn't have any real external requests. So being "burdened" with "ALL" her care isn't that unusual. HECK, my mother was recently heavily infirmed. There was a small staff to take care of a LOT of patients. They cleaned, fed, did bathroom duties, etc....

      But if they had such access, why didn't they leverage THAT to get a job?

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author NRabosa
    On an unrelated note, he could make potato salad.

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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      I think if I was in his shoes I'd be taking Kurt and others advice on the Salvation Army and daily labour. If he can't do that and he can't get a job because he has no car and can't get to interviews now, he won't when he gets to the shelter eithet and in there he may find, through desperation, less legal ways to earn money and you don't want him going down that route.

      Kurt has another very good point too. Once homeless, it's not easy to get out of, not at all. I spent a small period of time many years ago without a roof and it wasn't pleasant. I was very prepared to do what was necessary to eat, no matter what it took, legal or not. Had I remained there I'd have wound up in prison, of that I'm sure, quite possibly dead too.

      The only thing that got me out of that mess was a good friend spotting me in the park I was living in. He quite literally dragged me to his house and put me up. From there I was able to get back on my feet. Without him, I don't like to think of the road I was quite happy to walk down at that time. It really is a terrible feeling of hopelessness, despair and a complete lack of control over your life.

      If I was him, seeing as he can't get to interviews where he is anyway, I'd get out of there altogether. Find somewhere new that has a Salvation Army or day labour option or something else but I don't see the point in him going to a shelter if he can't get to job interviews anyway, from there it's just a slippery slope which a great deal of people never get back up again.
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      • Profile picture of the author nipsyr
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        I think if I was in his shoes I'd be taking Kurt and others advice on the Salvation Army and daily labour. If he can't do that and he can't get a job because he has no car and can't get to interviews now, he won't when he gets to the shelter eithet and in there he may find, through desperation, less legal ways to earn money and you don't want him going down that route.

        Kurt has another very good point too. Once homeless, it's not easy to get out of, not at all. I spent a small period of time many years ago without a roof and it wasn't pleasant. I was very prepared to do what was necessary to eat, no matter what it took, legal or not. Had I remained there I'd have wound up in prison, of that I'm sure, quite possibly dead too.

        The only thing that got me out of that mess was a good friend spotting me in the park I was living in. He quite literally dragged me to his house and put me up. From there I was able to get back on my feet. Without him, I don't like to think of the road I was quite happy to walk down at that time. It really is a terrible feeling of hopelessness, despair and a complete lack of control over your life.

        If I was him, seeing as he can't get to interviews where he is anyway, I'd get out of there altogether. Find somewhere new that has a Salvation Army or day labour option or something else but I don't see the point in him going to a shelter if he can't get to job interviews anyway, from there it's just a slippery slope which a great deal of people never get back up again.
        That is wonderful your friend saved you and helped you get back on your feet. I imagine it would very easy to get into doing illegal things just to survive. I don't want that for anyone!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        I think if I was in his shoes I'd be taking Kurt and others advice on the Salvation Army and daily labour. If he can't do that and he can't get a job because he has no car and can't get to interviews now, he won't when he gets to the shelter eithet and in there he may find, through desperation, less legal ways to earn money and you don't want him going down that route.

        Kurt has another very good point too. Once homeless, it's not easy to get out of, not at all. I spent a small period of time many years ago without a roof and it wasn't pleasant. I was very prepared to do what was necessary to eat, no matter what it took, legal or not. Had I remained there I'd have wound up in prison, of that I'm sure, quite possibly dead too.

        The only thing that got me out of that mess was a good friend spotting me in the park I was living in. He quite literally dragged me to his house and put me up. From there I was able to get back on my feet. Without him, I don't like to think of the road I was quite happy to walk down at that time. It really is a terrible feeling of hopelessness, despair and a complete lack of control over your life.

        If I was him, seeing as he can't get to interviews where he is anyway, I'd get out of there altogether. Find somewhere new that has a Salvation Army or day labour option or something else but I don't see the point in him going to a shelter if he can't get to job interviews anyway, from there it's just a slippery slope which a great deal of people never get back up again.

        And this is really the point I'm trying to make. Once homeless, it's virtually impossible to make it out without help from someone.

        I believe he can now apply for food stamps? In the past, a person needed to have a kitchen to cook in in order to apply for food stamps. The irony of this was, the poorest of the poor are the ones that need food stamps the most, but are too poor to have access to a kitchen.
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        • Profile picture of the author nipsyr
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          And this is really the point I'm trying to make. Once homeless, it's virtually impossible to make it out without help from someone.

          I believe he can now apply for food stamps? In the past, a person needed to have a kitchen to cook in in order to apply for food stamps. The irony of this was, the poorest of the poor are the ones that need food stamps the most, but are too poor to have access to a kitchen.
          Yes, that is exactly the point. I don't think people really get this because they have never experienced it.

          I noticed, even on here, people are quick to judge. Just imagine how that is out in the street.
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    • Profile picture of the author nipsyr
      Originally Posted by NRabosa View Post

      On an unrelated note, he could make potato salad.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ato-salad.html
      That is amazing! I wonder why it took off like it did?
      I should start one.
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      Originally Posted by NRabosa View Post

      On an unrelated note, he could make potato salad.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ato-salad.html
      Originally Posted by nipsyr View Post

      That is amazing! I wonder why it took off like it did?
      I should start one.
      In addition to some degree of luck, it's important to understand that behind these successful crowdfunding campaigns is one or more very hard-working person(s) who contacts media, interacts on social media sites, does interviews, arranges partnerships, etc., etc. I'm not saying that it's impossible for these to occur organically, but I certainly wouldn't take much time posting a project without having a reasonable publicity plan.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Has this man worked a job? Has he ever been self supporting? Would have been easier to find a job while living with a relative - or even while crashing with a friend. Gets harder the farther you fall down the economic ladder.

        I ask because it sounds as if he was living with (or living off of) family for years. He labels himself as a caretaker but relatives didn't seem to agree with that assessment. There's more to that story.

        He needs to use that bus pass to get out of the ghetto and closer to where the jobs are....then he may need to walk to an interview even if it takes hours to get there.

        I don't mean to sound uncaring but this guy has to do whatever necessary to pull himself up. He doesn't have to worry about wife or kids and that makes it easier. He sounds like he's young and has some training/education - and that puts him at an advantage over many homeless people.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Seattle has low income housing projects but from what I've found online not the "ghetto" type areas you find in many other large cities. If your friend is living in the Seattle area he's much more likely to find help than in many other cities.

          Tent city info on this site

          Greater Seattle Cares | Uniting communities to serve the homeless | Support for Tent City 3

          If you enter "homeless in Seattle" in a search the result is a list of organizations focused on helping the homeless.

          Transportation:

          Transportation | Downtown SeattleDowntown Seattle

          There is a reduced fare program available for the homeless.

          Reduced-Fare Bus Tickets - Seattle Human Services Department

          Maybe your friend should make his way to a public library where there is internet access and use that to find the services available to him and how to contact those services and apply for help. I would expect homeless shelters would also be giving out this information to those in need.
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  • Profile picture of the author BizOnTheWeb
    Can I just ask a bit about this person's background? Perhaps there are some skills or knowledge that might be leveraged to gain a better living situation. That would be the first step. Why is this individual having to leave the (presumable) friend's sofa?
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    • Profile picture of the author nipsyr
      Originally Posted by BizOnTheWeb View Post

      Can I just ask a bit about this person's background? Perhaps there are some skills or knowledge that might be leveraged to gain a better living situation. That would be the first step. Why is this individual having to leave the (presumable) friend's sofa?
      Well I am not sure what to tell you. I'm pretty sure he can get a job. He has been getting calls for interviews. The problem is getting there and having a place to stay until payday.

      The sofa situation. Apparently the house is owned by the friend's parents and they think there are too many people living there so he has to leave.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    The first thing this guy needs to concentrate on is getting a vehicle. You can live in a vehicle - you can't drive a house. There are some charities that deal in getting vehicles for people. He will need to be able to use someone's address - either a charity will allow them to use theirs or a friend or family. Once he's got a vehicle, he's at least got a place to sleep and keep a few supplies. Advertise on Craigslist, or anywhere else he can think of that there might be people who have cars that run that he can get into. I bought one that ran just fine for only $400 once and was able to get it on 4 payments. Saved my butt. Mechanics in town might know people who would be willing to part with a car for nothing or cheaply.

    You said no cash, so job is still major priority - but he can still hunt down a charity car while he's looking for work.

    It's summer. The farm labor thing isn't a bad idea if done right. Go to the local employment office and they have listings throughout the whole state for farm hands needed. Those places give living quarters - not the Ritz, but he'd be able to save up some of his earnings for a few months until harvest if it's crops, and indefinitely if it's stock. He'll be fed well. He'll have an address, and he'll be away from crime areas and fairly safe.

    With the money earned - Get that car if he wasn't able to find one gratis. Then buy an appropriate outfit or two for the work he's skilled for- non-wrinkle so he'd be able to clean himself for an interview at any laundromat and gas station bathroom if he needed to. If he buys the clothes at the Salvation army - they may help in other ways in the meantime.

    He can also look for situations - work for rent, etc. But he needs to be careful with these.

    People can be real a**holes about abusing others. Still - I did that once in a tight spot and it got me through. What about work at a carnival. Far from glamorous, but might get him into a situation that would buy him a month or two to actually straighten things out a tad.

    Have him put an ad in Craigslist - desperate need of - home, job, transportation - skill set, other details that will make him sound like someone who's willing to kick some butt to get back on his feet and not just another pathetic sob story, boozer, tweeker.

    And -- my best wishes to him. I've been so close to being there before it makes my skin crawl to look back. Took some very aggressive action to avoid it, but if I can do it, anyone can.
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    • Profile picture of the author nipsyr
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      The first thing this guy needs to concentrate on is getting a vehicle. You can live in a vehicle - you can't drive a house. There are some charities that deal in getting vehicles for people. He will need to be able to use someone's address - either a charity will allow them to use theirs or a friend or family. Once he's got a vehicle, he's at least got a place to sleep and keep a few supplies. Advertise on Craigslist, or anywhere else he can think of that there might be people who have cars that run that he can get into. I bought one that ran just fine for only $400 once and was able to get it on 4 payments. Saved my butt. Mechanics in town might know people who would be willing to part with a car for nothing or cheaply.

      You said no cash, so job is still major priority - but he can still hunt down a charity car while he's looking for work.

      It's summer. The farm labor thing isn't a bad idea if done right. Go to the local employment office and they have listings throughout the whole state for farm hands needed. Those places give living quarters - not the Ritz, but he'd be able to save up some of his earnings for a few months until harvest if it's crops, and indefinitely if it's stock. He'll be fed well. He'll have an address, and he'll be away from crime areas and fairly safe.

      With the money earned - Get that car if he wasn't able to find one gratis. Then b
      Buy an appropriate outfit or two for the work he's skilled for- non-wrinkle so he'd be able to clean himself for an interview at any laundromat and gas station bathroom if he needed to. If he buys the clothes at the Salvation army - they may help in other ways in the meantime.

      He can also look for situations - work for rent, etc. But he needs to be careful with these.

      People can be real a**holes about abusing others. Still - I did that once in a tight spot and it got me through. What about work at a carnival. Far from glamorous, but might get him into a situation that would buy him a month or two to actually straighten things out a tad.

      Have him put an ad in Craigslist - desperate need of - home, job, transportation - skill set, other details that will make him sound like someone who's willing to kick some butt to get back on his feet and not just another pathetic sob story, boozer, tweeker.

      And -- my best wishes to him. I've been so close to being there before it makes my skin crawl to look back. Took some very aggressive action to avoid it, but if I can do it, anyone can.
      Great ideas! Yes, a car of some sort would at least be a place to sleep.
      It seems that in the US there are too many mean people looking to take advantage of the vulnerable. A lot of greedy mean people there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
    Has anyone here ever actually been homeless? I have and I can tell you from experience that it's VERY hard to get back on your feet once you're down that far.

    The first thing I'd do is find a shelter or service organization that I could use as an address so I could get food stamps. Get the food problem resolved as soon as possible.

    Next, I'd find a place that would donate a sleeping bag, coat, backpack, clean socks, etc. You absolutely MUST change your socks daily if you're doing a lot of walking.

    Next, I'd pull out my picture ID and start going door to door to businesses, homes, motels, restaurants, etc and asking for work. If you're kind, honest and show your face next to your ID so people can clearly see that you are who you say you are, the odds of you grabbing some work, cash or both are pretty likely.

    If you can build a bit of trust with someone they may even let you leave your stuff there during the day, let you use their restroom to take spit baths or even give you a temporary place to stay. This can be huge, especially when you find a regular job.

    I've done sales jobs that paid daily when I was homeless and even though the work was up and down cash wise, I could sleep in the company truck in their lot and wash up in their bathroom in the morning before everyone else arrived.

    Something that most people aren't aware of is that apx 20-25% of the homeless in America are Veterans. Many have mental issues and haven't been able to qualify for benefits. Some have no skills to speak of. Some have seen too much horror in their lives and don't feel like they can ever fit in with society.

    Others are mentally ill, runaways, people that have lost their jobs and never been able to get back on their feet. Many are substance abusers. It's between $5-$7.00 for a 12 pack of beer and it makes things more bearable for awhile. People can agree with it or not. Once they've actually been there and done that, I'd be glad to listen to their opinion.

    Here's a Squidoo page I bookmarked awhile back about the plight of the homeless in America. It's a pretty big wake-up call. I highly recommend everyone read it.

    Homeless In America
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post

      Has anyone here ever actually been homeless? I have and I can tell you from experience that it's VERY hard to get back on your feet once you're down that far.
      ...
      Here's a Squidoo page I bookmarked awhile back about the plight of the homeless in America. It's a pretty big wake-up call. I highly recommend everyone read it.

      Homeless In America
      Yeah, I think most realize that there are points where it gets harder to recover. If you don't have clean clothes, a shower, and the ability to handle a couple months of whatever it takes to survive, you shouldn't even think of STARTING on your own. I, myself, made a point to keep past that point. If things don't go crazy, as they MAY, I should be ok.

      As for the site you linked to, I have seen too much in life, and so much that isn't so, that I can't even take color videos as gospel. As they become static, blurred, or lose color, they become less verifiable.

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    • Profile picture of the author nipsyr
      Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post

      Has anyone here ever actually been homeless? I have and I can tell you from experience that it's VERY hard to get back on your feet once you're down that far.

      The first thing I'd do is find a shelter or service organization that I could use as an address so I could get food stamps. Get the food problem resolved as soon as possible.

      Next, I'd find a place that would donate a sleeping bag, coat, backpack, clean socks, etc. You absolutely MUST change your socks daily if you're doing a lot of walking.

      Next, I'd pull out my picture ID and start going door to door to businesses, homes, motels, restaurants, etc and asking for work. If you're kind, honest and show your face next to your ID so people can clearly see that you are who you say you are, the odds of you grabbing some work, cash or both are pretty likely.

      If you can build a bit of trust with someone they may even let you leave your stuff there during the day, let you use their restroom to take spit baths or even give you a temporary place to stay. This can be huge, especially when you find a regular job.

      I've done sales jobs that paid daily when I was homeless and even though the work was up and down cash wise, I could sleep in the company truck in their lot and wash up in their bathroom in the morning before everyone else arrived.

      Something that most people aren't aware of is that apx 20-25% of the homeless in America are Veterans. Many have mental issues and haven't been able to qualify for benefits. Some have no skills to speak of. Some have seen too much horror in their lives and don't feel like they can ever fit in with society.

      Others are mentally ill, runaways, people that have lost their jobs and never been able to get back on their feet. Many are substance abusers. It's between $5-$7.00 for a 12 pack of beer and it makes things more bearable for awhile. People can agree with it or not. Once they've actually been there and done that, I'd be glad to listen to their opinion.

      Here's a Squidoo page I bookmarked awhile back about the plight of the homeless in America. It's a pretty big wake-up call. I highly recommend everyone read it.

      Homeless In America
      Good ideas and good link!
      I suspect people haven't been homeless. Probably have never ridden a public bus either.
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  • Profile picture of the author Yvon Boulianne
    You know in canada we have something call "assistance social" where the government give $600 each month to everyone who can`t work for whatever reason (sickness, lazy whatever)

    So here the homeless are mostly addict peoples that use this money for drugs and alchool.

    In canada it`s very easy here to get out of homless situation, you just have to want to...
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  • Profile picture of the author Z1
    Why is the person homeless? Drug's? Bad attitude? Young and foolish? Old and foolish? Not motivated? ..........You can't fix that......they have to hit rock bottom and want to change and get help. Don't do anything except give them some food,essential's and a pack to carry it. they will have to figure out the rest.

    Here's the best advice if they are a good person, hard worker and have a good attitude that is just down on their luck.
    1. Move to where the work is. Right now that is Texas and North Dakota.

    2. Being homeless blows. So tell your friend to find groups that help homeless, generally Church and religious related groups. They will help out. If they are Atheist, good luck finding an Atheist group that helps anyone.

    2. Need cash and have plenty of time? Buy them a 5 gallon bucket or so and some window cleaning equipment a squeegee, and window brush, they carry it at Home Depot. And a bottle of simple green cleaner you only need a capful for about 3 to 5 gallons if that. Have them go out and clean windows for anything, Generally you can make about 10-20 bucks an hour or more if you are decent and clean.

    3. Tell them to stay clean in ALL ways. Being drunk or stoned and homeless makes things worse not better. Use college locker room to shower if possible, get a health club membership if possible so you can work out and shower. and find places with access to water such as parks and commercial areas.

    Being homeless sometimes is a blessing, yes, I have been homeless. It makes you think and work at getting back on your feet. It makes you grateful for what you did have. It can also break you down. Sometimes that is what we need. Sometimes it can destroy a person. For those that truly do not wan to be there it is not a game. Other's are going to live that lifestyle and make no effort.

    If for some reason you think your friend has a mental illness you might be able to get them help and off the street if they agree. Many homeless are mentally ill and or addicted and could get help but choose not too.
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    • Profile picture of the author nipsyr
      Originally Posted by Z1 View Post


      2. Need cash and have plenty of time? Buy them a 5 gallon bucket or so and some window cleaning equipment a squeegee, and window brush, they carry it at Home Depot. And a bottle of simple green cleaner you only need a capful for about 3 to 5 gallons if that. Have them go out and clean windows for anything, Generally you can make about 10-20 bucks an hour or more if you are decent and clean.
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      Where would you do this? Can do this in a carpark cleaning windscreens?
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I did lose my income and housing once. Happened to already have a mini van and no wife or kids.
    I also had a nice down sleeping bag and a lot of cheap down jackets. Weathered a few 20 below nights just fine.

    Day labor through an agency and that did provide enough to eat and drive and keep the pay as you go cell phone.. Day labor is very hit or miss. You have to get there early and wait in line and they might not have any work - especially if the economy is bad.

    I alternated between parking in the woods and in a Wal-Mart parking lot. It is best to move
    around. You can "camp" for up to two weeks in the national forest/campgrounds - but then you have to move along. One time a sherriff did ask what I was doing and he just walked away without saying a word.

    I did sponge baths in the library bathroom and a visitor center - lucky they did have individual rooms.

    I eventually found employment.

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    It sounds like your friend might be able to become a Nursing Assistant. Nursing homes or in home care. There are placement agencies. Around here it can pay $150 a day (overnight stay).

    What city does your friend live in? We can google resources for him.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      I did lose my income and housing once. Happened to already have a mini van and no wife or kids.
      I also had a nice down sleeping bag and a lot of cheap down jackets. Weathered a few 20 below nights just fine.
      Having a vehicle can make a huge difference. Still, you have to cover gas and insurance.

      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      Day labor through an agency and that did provide enough to eat and drive and keep the pay as you go cell phone.. Day labor is very hit or miss. You have to get there early and wait in line and they might not have any work - especially if the economy is bad.
      Exactly. As someone else also mentioned, it's hard to get chosen if there are several regulars that have already proven themselves. In addition, the first time I was chosen they told me I'd need gloves for the job and offered to sell them to me at an inflated rate.

      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      I alternated between parking in the woods and in a Wal-Mart parking lot. It is best to move around. You can "camp" for up to two weeks in the national forest/campgrounds - but then you have to move along. One time a sherriff did ask what I was doing and he just walked away without saying a word.
      Some cops are cool when it comes to things like that. Others can be jerks. Still, it makes little sense to fine a homeless person and if you take them to jail you might actually be doing them a favor.

      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      What city does your friend live in? We can google resources for him.
      This. I'd be happy to help with resources. Also, is your friend a Veteran? Is he/she disabled physically or mentally? Any extra information can be very helpful when trying to find resources.
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    • Profile picture of the author nipsyr
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post


      It sounds like your friend might be able to become a Nursing Assistant. Nursing homes or in home care. There are placement agencies. Around here it can pay $150 a day (overnight stay).

      What city does your friend live in? We can google resources for him.
      Another great idea. I looked and the classes for CNA only last a few weeks and cost a few hundred dollars. He does have experience caring for someone with cancer and kidney failure and someone with Congestive heart failure. He is really organised. I don't think I could have kept track of all the meds, doctor appointments, chemo treatments, oxygen, cleaning, changing pee bags, etc. like he did. He is extremely patient with cranky elderly. I know I couldn't do it.

      He is in Indianapolis. I guess he really isn't tied to that city. I think he would be willing to move elsewhere if there were more opportunities. Seattle, Austin, Denver, etc. I googled for Indianapolis and found a shelter that at first seemed good but then heard bad things about it.
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by nipsyr View Post

        Another great idea. I looked and the classes for CNA only last a few weeks and cost a few hundred dollars. He does have experience caring for someone with cancer and kidney failure and someone with Congestive heart failure. He is really organised. I don't think I could have kept track of all the meds, doctor appointments, chemo treatments, oxygen, cleaning, changing pee bags, etc. like he did. He is extremely patient with cranky elderly. I know I couldn't do it.

        He is in Indianapolis. I guess he really isn't tied to that city. I think he would be willing to move elsewhere if there were more opportunities. Seattle, Austin, Denver, etc. I googled for Indianapolis and found a shelter that at first seemed good but then heard bad things about it.
        He can probably work in that field whilst getting the CNA designation.

        Maybe some Warrior is more familiar with Indianapolis resources and can help.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          There are resources for Indy online - not a bad city (except in winter).

          I don't understand the mention of Seattle earlier or of moving now - that's 2000+ miles from Indianapolis. School may be only a few hundred dollars - but this is a person who can't get bus fare to get to job interviews.

          Home health care aide might be a possibility as some companies provide free training and he might not need much training for that work. Pay isn't great but the jobs are in demand. I think they require background check and perhaps some sort of references.

          Is he homeless - or still on the friend's couch? If he found a job and could pay to sleep on the couch he might be able to a stay a while longer.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I forgot to mention that if he does not have major health and background issues, he could get easily
    get on as a hotel/motel housekeeper, or maintenance help. They are almost always looking for help.

    Many hotels/motels pay cash at first because housekeeping is often piece work and there are many people who try it for a day or two and quit.

    I think it's been mentioned, but he could walk around to businesses and houses and ask
    to do odd jobs such as painting, cleaning, gardening...
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    I think your friend will do well in the long run because he takes care of people and obviously values them. This suggests that he would have high standards for the performance he puts into a job. That is the kind of person just about anybody, including employers, would want to associate with.
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    Check out North Dakota - they are begging for workers up there right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Yvon Boulianne
    Or he can go relax on Waikiki beach for a while, there's allway charity food there and it's allways sunny and hot

    That's what i told myself when i was there the other winter, best place to stay if you are homeless ...
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