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I have been sitting on this show, procrastinating. I finally started watching it the other day.

What a great show! And a great cast, including Billy Bob Thornton, Colin Hanks, Martin Freeman, Bob Odenkirk, Adam Goldberg, Oliver Platt and Keith Carradine.

If you liked the movie, or anything by the Coen Brothers, you gotta check this out. It is very dark and funny, really well put together, and extremely compelling.

Please, nobody post any spoilers! I am only 3 episodes in...
  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Billy Bob dies in episode 4.














    Just kidding. I haven't watched the show.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Billy Bob dies in episode 4.
      Just kidding. I haven't watched the show.
      You Moron! He actually dies in episode four!

      You are the Ruiner of Everything.




      OK, he doesn't really, but it's a brilliantly written show. Very quirky. And Billy Bob Thornton is incredible. He plays a sociopath. But so does Martin Freeman.
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      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Billy Bob dies in episode 4.
      I've never seen the show, but that's my favorite episode.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Billy Bob dies in episode 4.

      Just kidding. I haven't watched the show.
      Ack!

      I guess I was asking for it...

      Anyway, Billy Bob can't die yet. He is far too badass.
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    Yeah, season one was quite entertaining and it gets a good sized basket of fresh tomatoes from me.

    Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
    I'm finished.

    I'll say it again. What a great show. Can't wait to see what it looks like in season two.

    I heard they planted connectors between the show and the movie, so you can go back and build a narrative thread between them.

    This is a creative team that really knows how to do it right.

    Two months til Walking Dead...
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  • Profile picture of the author RichardF
    I agree, I loved every minute of it. Any similar shows out there that are good? For me it had just the right mix of dark humor, drama and general quirkiness. And, of course, excellent casting all around.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
      Originally Posted by RichardF View Post

      Any similar shows out there that are good?
      Well, Breaking Bad was that good. Orange is the New Black is pretty good, but not quite in the same wicked way..

      Not sure what else would come close right now...
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        The BBC's The Honourable Woman (note the British spelling) is stunningly, staggeringly good. I'd try to write a review of it but (a) the moderators would move my post to "Reviews" and (b) I'd rapidly run out of superlatives. It's brilliant.

        It's an 8-part drama series. The last part will be broadcast over here on Thursday.

        Maggie Gyllenhaal plays the title role.

        (Anyone who liked Homeland will like it, and many others, too.)
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      • Profile picture of the author RichardF
        Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

        Well, Breaking Bad was that good. Orange is the New Black is pretty good, but not quite in the same wicked way..

        Not sure what else would come close right now...
        Oh yeah, Breaking Bad has to be in the top 3 of my all-time favorites. I'm so envious of my girlfriend who's just started watching season 2. Hearing the dialogue from the other room makes me want to watch it all over, but it probably wouldn't be the same...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
    I hadn't heard of that Alexa. Looks like it is right up my alley. I'll check it out.

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author lyxander
    I loved the movie but haven't watch the series just yet. I'm looking forward to it. After watching Breaking Bad, it's kinda hard to find a series that good.
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    2 things

    - notice the people from Fargo in the show didn't have an accent (we don't). We do use the "You Betcha" phrase though.

    - there will be a second season of "Fargo" apparently
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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
    Season Two!

    Started off just a tad slower (but still better than most shows).

    Last couple of episodes though... man. I'll say it again - what a great show.

    “Mike Milligan? Today's your lucky day – I've got Dodd Gerhardt in the trunk of my car. You want him?”
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

      Season Two!

      Started off just a tad slower (but still better than most shows).

      Last couple of episodes though... man. I'll say it again - what a great show.

      "Mike Milligan? Today's your lucky day - I've got Dodd Gerhardt in the trunk of my car. You want him?"
      I love it! The State Trooper and his father-in-law (also a State Trooper) are just about the only sane people in Fargo. Everyone is either evil, crazy, incredibly stupid, or a combination of all of that.

      Kirsten Dunst as Peggy Blumquist, is bonkers, and completely believable. Most episodes, I'll watch twice, because some of the dialog is so compelling.

      You just...can't...look...away.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I love it! The State Trooper and his father-in-law (also a State Trooper) are just about the only sane people in Fargo. Everyone is either evil, crazy, incredibly stupid, or a combination of all of that.

        Kirsten Dunst as Peggy Blumquist, is bonkers, and completely believable. Most episodes, I'll watch twice, because some of the dialog is so compelling.

        You just...can't...look...away.
        "Everyone is either evil, crazy, incredibly stupid, or a combination of all of that."

        I never knew the cast of Fargo posted here?
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          "Everyone is either evil, crazy, incredibly stupid, or a combination of all of that."

          I never knew the cast of Fargo posted here?
          If we all got together in a hotel lobby or bar, we would talk for awhile, and suddenly grow silent...as we ...one by one....realize that the writer of Fargo, is a Forum member, and is basing the characters on each one of us.

          Before anyone claims a character, I know I'd be the lawyer. The flabby, drunken, verbose, pompous lawyer.

          The crap on the bottom of the boots of the traveling murderers? That was based on Kurt.

          I won't say who Peggy is based on, because I'll get my ass kicked.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            If we all got together in a hotel lobby or bar, we would talk for awhile, and suddenly grow silent...as we ...one by one....realize that the writer of Fargo, is a Forum member, and is basing the characters on each one of us.

            Before anyone claims a character, I know I'd be the lawyer. The flabby, drunken, verbose, pompous lawyer.

            The crap on the bottom of the boots of the traveling murderers? That was based on Kurt.

            I won't say who Peggy is based on, because I'll get my ass kicked.
            ooohh, I'd like to think I am Mike Milligan, the smooth talking mobster who charms the hell out of people. But in reality, I am afraid I am Ed "The Butcher" Blomquist - the soft spoken, nice guy that just wants to be an entrepreneur but has to deal with all the crazy people in his life making things off the charts complicated.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

              ooohh, I'd like to think I am Mike Milligan, the smooth talking mobster who charms the hell out of people. But in reality, I am afraid I am Ed "The Butcher" Blomquist - the soft spoken, nice guy that just wants to be an entrepreneur but has to deal with all the crazy people in his life making things off the charts complicated.
              And in real life, I'm actually closer to Mike Milligan. But people would see me more as the Lawyer.

              And, at least Ed "The Butcher" Blomquist is sane, and not a cold hearted murderer. His crazy wife just keeps getting him in impossible jams.

              Really glad to see there is a third season.
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              • I'm behind on the Fargs, so no spoilers plz.

                But I am glad for Series 3.

                It is a cool show from a writin' POV cos somea the dilaog is so low key.

                Mosta the time, dialog is ramped up, cut an' pruned with copy-style curt, to blamblamblam the plot forward.

                But here, we drop into sumthin' real slow, fulla a kinda everyday waffle which juxtaposes so cool with the violent themes.

                Heads in boxes an' slashed fingers bouncin' allover the floor aside, this show got a real good feel about it.
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                • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
                  Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                  I'm behind on the Fargs, so no spoilers plz.

                  But I am glad for Series 3.

                  It is a cool show from a writin' POV cos somea the dilaog is so low key.

                  Mosta the time, dialog is ramped up, cut an' pruned with copy-style curt, to blamblamblam the plot forward.

                  But here, we drop into sumthin' real slow, fulla a kinda everyday waffle which juxtaposes so cool with the violent themes.

                  Heads in boxes an' slashed fingers bouncin' allover the floor aside, this show got a real good feel about it.
                  I couldn't have said it better myself.

                  Really.

                  Just wait though... a few episodes from now the adrenaline goes batshit.
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                  • Profile picture of the author discrat
                    What a episode last night. Although I was not so sure about the UFO at the shoot out. Do not see how that fits into the Context of the Narrative.

                    I came in late and this was the 5th episode I have seen. Maybe Iam missing something here???

                    Anyway, really great show. Love it. Superb writing !!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                      What a episode last night. Although I was not so sure about the UFO at the shoot out. Do not see how that fits into the Context of the Narrative.

                      I came in late and this was the 5th episode I have seen. Maybe Iam missing something here?

                      But really great show. Love it
                      In the third episode you find out that the aliens are a third party that wants to take over the drug trade in Fargo.

                      Just kidding. It's an amazing episode. One left this season.

                      You aren't missing anything with the UFO. It appeared for a second in the first episode.

                      Maybe next week, we'll see how it all ties together.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
    jeez... I had forgotten all about the UFO in ep 1. That was a pretty pivotal scene - when the first Gerhardt bit it (or at least it was the beginning of the end).

    Considering what happened to the rest of the clan last night, my theory is that the aliens are definitely Kansas City enforcers.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Its just weird,imo. Doesn't make sense in that it totally deviates from the adopted tone of the plot and characters which was established from day 1 in the series ( at least Iam assuming)

      It would be equivalent to watching Friday the 13th the Movie and then all of the sudden Gene Kelly breaks out with a tap routine as Jason slices through another teenie bop. The Tone would be inconsistent and would make it silly and nonsensical.

      But I guess we will see how this all relates in last episode...
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    SPOLIER ALERT!!!!

    I have seen an advanced preview of the final episode. Here's what happens.

    The UFO is just a distraction created by NASA to divert attention away from their plot to take over the world. They are getting a bunch of kids to blow stuff up creating a wave of panic which will result in martial law being declared with NASA taking over all government functions.

    The kid's bombs will be detonated by the sound waves generated by Gene Kelly doing a tap routine.

    Before Kelly completes his routine The League Of Psychic Super Heroes flies in and breaks his legs.

    The League then presents Kirsten Dunst's character with the winning lottery numbers and everyone lives happily ever after, except for NASA, Gene Kelly and kids.

    You heard it here first folks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
    It's over.

    Caput. Fin. The end.

    Over.

    Can't wait for season three.




    *** SPOILERS AHEAD ***

    What did you think of that ending? At first, I was a bit disappointed because I was geared up for a high adrenaline finish. But upon reflection, I really appreciated the wind-down, and seeing how each of the survivors moves on into the next phase. I also really liked the easter eggs planted throughout the episode.

    My wholly unqualified prediction: Mike Milligan was spared so that Samuel L Jackson can pick up the character in 2008. He is the new head of Kansas City, and decides it is time to settle some old business with Lou Solverson.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

      It's over.

      Caput. Fin. The end.

      Over.

      Can't wait for season three.




      *** SPOILERS AHEAD ***

      What did you think of that ending? At first, I was a bit disappointed because I was geared up for a high adrenaline finish. But upon reflection, I really appreciated the wind-down, and seeing how each of the survivors moves on into the next phase. I also really liked the easter eggs planted throughout the episode.

      My wholly unqualified prediction: Mike Milligan was spared so that Samuel L Jackson can pick up the character in 2008. He is the new head of Kansas City, and decides it is time to settle some old business with Lou Solverson.
      Yeah, the last 15 minutes were not very exciting. But I agree, after I thought about it, the ending perfectly fit the tone of the series.


      SPOILERS AHEAD!

      Strange, but the I felt sorry for Mike Milligan. Now, behind I desk, in a small room. I was hoping he would just walk out.

      Did Hansey attack those kids?

      I can't wait for next season. Did you see part 1 of Childhood's End? I may have read the book, the plot seems familiar.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Strange, but the I felt sorry for Mike Milligan. Now, behind I desk, in a small room. I was hoping he would just walk out.
        I thought that was beautifully poetic. I was actually hoping he wouldn't walk out, but would take his destiny in stride and use it to fuel some future raging with. That, of course, only works if we see him again in the future. I sure hope we do.

        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Did Hansey attack those kids?
        Yeah, that is unnervingly left unsettled. I loved seeing who the kids were, though (the ones getting picked on, not the bullies who (presumably) just got their asses handed to them)

        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I can't wait for next season. Did you see part 1 of Childhood's End? I may have read the book, the plot seems familiar.
        I didn't, but after looking it up just now, it is on my list. Is this a recommendation?
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

          I didn't, but after looking it up just now, it is on my list. Is this a recommendation?
          So far, Yes. Tonight is part two, and tomorrow night is part three. But I think you can record part one either tonight, or earlier tomorrow evening. It's on Sci Fi.



          The premise is, what happens when aliens arrive and stop war, famine, disease...and take care of us? Of course, ultimately they have a plan...but so far, it's well done.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Yeah, the last 15 minutes were not very exciting. But I agree, after I thought about it, the ending perfectly fit the tone of the series.

        Whoosh. It went straight over your head !!

        Did you all really not get the ending?

        Come on OTers put on your thinking caps lol

        Seriously, this is how I interpret it. Ted Danson character is sitting around the couch with his daughter and the police officer at the end.

        She mentions that thing about his office. All the crazy symbols etc..etc He goes on to say that through all the violence he's seen in War and on his job it ALL came about because of miscommunication .People misinterpreting language and words among each other.

        He then goes on to say that symbols like a Heart or a Square with Roof do a better job at conveying the message than actual words.

        This in turn ties into the whole UFO 'thingie' that stumped me and everyone else in last episode.

        You remember when the UFO appeared all of the sudden in the midst of the hotel carnage and violence? Well, for s split second all the fighting stopped and everyone for a second looked up and was totally transfixed on the sighting of this huge unknown in the sky.

        So in essence it goes to what Danson was saying about symbols. All the people, good guys and bad guys, looked up at the UFO( this image or symbol) in the sky and everyone interpreted the same thing and there was no confusing with "language" or "miscommunication" and for a split second no "war"... i.e. the message being something out there is greater than us on Earth or anything we could have ever have imagined !

        Thats what I took away from it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          So in essence it goes to what Danson was saying about symbols. All the people, good guys and bad guys, looked up at the UFO( this image or symbol) in the sky and everyone interpreted the same thing and there was no confusing with "language" or "miscommunication"... i.e something out there is greater than us on Earth or anything we could have ever have imagine

          Thats what I took away from it.
          I'm not saying that's not what the show intended. It's possible.

          But I didn't see that at all. What I got out of the alien ship.....is that there are aliens. And they sort of caused Rye Gerhardt to get hit by a car, and Bear Gerhardt to be distracted, allowing Lou to shoot him.

          But I got no bigger meaning out of it. But then, I'm not wired for that.

          I get what you are saying about the symbols though. It kind of holds your interpretation together.
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    Or.....

    Stick with me here.

    Ted Danson IS the alien (or at least his body is hosting it). The sighting in episode 1 is the ship leaving after dropping him off into Ted's body.

    After he gets shot, the ship comes down to shoot a quick healing beam at him to keep him from dying before his host body can be fixed up at the hospital.

    The symbols were his native language. His explanation at the end was BS, to throw his family off the trail.

    Once the beam is done, the ship takes off.

    Yeah, that's definitely it.

    Season 3: Aliens vs. Kansas City... UFOs vs. Trucks... ET vs. Milligan.

    Gonna be epic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

      Ted Danson IS the alien (or at least his body is hosting it). The sighting in episode 1 is the ship leaving after dropping him off into Ted's body.

      After he gets shot, the ship comes down to shoot a quick healing beam at him to keep him from dying before his host body can be fixed up at the hospital.

      When his daughter saw all the symbols in his home, I assumed that there was a connection with him and the aliens. But I didn't see anything after that, that connected him to the aliens. When (at the very end) he was explaining what the symbols were for....I was hoping for a huge revelation..."I'm an alien". "I was taught these symbols by aliens"...that sort of thing.

      For a minute, I thought when the alien craft appeared at the hotel....they were going to save someone, probably Ted Danson. But that didn't happen. I really liked that character...brave, thoughtful, competent.....a caring father. He had it all.

      But these strings of logic aren't any more solid than Robert's. They have a sort of logic, I guess.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        The Series was voted number Drama for this year. I can see why. Really good stuff.

        Btw, you do know this is all fiction, right ? Not even "loosely based" on any events whatsoever . The reason I asked that is a friend of mine thought it was all true based on each episodes introduction by the narrator and disclosure of "true events". The narrator is part of the fictional story
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          The Series was voted number Drama for this year. I can see why. Really good stuff.

          Btw, you do know this is all fiction, right ? Not even "loosely based" on any events whatsoever . The reason I asked that is a friend of mine thought it was all true based on each episodes introduction by the narrator and disclosure of "true events". The narrator is part of the fictional story
          I knew that, about Fargo. But I see that on far too many movies, that try to sell it as real.

          And when I was much younger, I sometimes got fooled.

          I like that; "The narrator is part of the fictional story". That's well put.

          I'd like to see; "The following story is true. Only the action, dialog, scenery, characters, genre, and plot were changed. But the background music is exactly as it originally happened".
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  • I am still behind on viewin', so I been creepin' around blindfolded to avoid all the spoilers.

    It is not a good day for my extremities.
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    I can't help but think that both Mike Milligan and Hanzee are going to play some part in Season 3.
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      Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

      My wholly unqualified prediction: Mike Milligan was spared so that Samuel L Jackson can pick up the character in 2008.
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      I can't help but think that both Mike Milligan and Hanzee are going to play some part in Season 3.
      Mike Milligan, I hope (and suspect) so. I have been reading news stories teasing where they might take season 3, and they have made the point that no season one regulars will have a major role. Hmmm... so season two regulars (the ones who are left and are not Lou or Molly) very well might.

      Except for Hanzee. It would be easy to miss (I did, until I read this). But Hanzee met his destiny in season one (chronologically speaking, 27 years later).

      Gives a whole new meaning to the playground scene, though. Doesn't it?
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        Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

        Except for Hanzee. It would be easy to miss (I did, until I read this). But Hanzee met his destiny in season one (chronologically speaking, 27 years later).

        Gives a whole new meaning to the playground scene, though. Doesn't it?
        Wow, yeah. That one would've gone over just about everyone's heads.

        So, in essence, Hanzee from Season 2 makes a re-appearance in Season 1.

        It's things like that that prove TV shows (some of them anyway) are getting smarter.

        Like in Season 2 of Breaking Bad. Four episodes open up with a teddy near floating in a swimming pool. The titles of those episodes are 737, Down. Over, ABQ. The significance of those titles is revealed right at the end of the last episode in season 2. However it's not until the first episode of season 3 that we find out the significance of the teddy bear.

        It's details like that that have made me give up watching shows one week to the next, and now prefer to binge watch the whole season.
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