Would you sell your body for $8,000?

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I met an old friend this morning, we talked about this and that just like old friends do. Then he told me that his neigbhor was in the hospital for eighteen days!

I thought, poor guy, I wonder what is wrong with him, so I asked. His answer blew me away, totally. This is what he said:

No, there is nothing wrong with him. He is taking experimental drugs as the doctors are researching how the drugs affects the body by constantly tapping his spine for fluid.

Yep! Become a human guinea pig, book yourself in for 18 days and get $8,000 for the "bother", insane !

My old friend just laughed and said a lot of people are doing it! Thank gosh I'm not hanging in THAT crowd anymore.

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  • Profile picture of the author Tracy Shaffer
    Makes me want to work harder at stopping trading my time for money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
      Yep, totally agree. This certainly puts a new spin on going to the doctor.....
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  • Profile picture of the author radio
    lots of places conduct human trials on medications and whatnot... hadn't heard of the spinal tap though (just lots of blood draws). once you pass the animal trials, you need to the human experiments for fda approval.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
      That's just it! What if those drugs did not get approval because something went horribly wrong? Even drugs that does get approved have killed and had to be re-called.

      I just don't understand how someone can be so desperate and willingly do something like this. I would rather walk away from everything I owned and sleep on a friend's couch until I had found a way to make an honest living again.

      Just my 2 ore...
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      • Profile picture of the author Valorie
        Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+ View Post

        I just don't understand how someone can be so desperate and willingly do something like this. I would rather walk away from everything I owned and sleep on a friend's couch until I had found a way to make an honest living again.
        Could you do it if you were going to lose your kids if you couldn't support them? I wouldn't do it so I could get a plasma tv or a vacation, but I would do it to keep my kids out of foster care.
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        • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
          Originally Posted by Valorie View Post

          Could you do it if you were going to lose your kids if you couldn't support them? I wouldn't do it so I could get a plasma tv or a vacation, but I would do it to keep my kids out of foster care.
          Hmm.... You got me there ... As a matter of fact, my friend's neighbor IS a dad, divorced too. But, the kids does not live with him though. If they have a place to stay (with mom), I would not do it.

          If on the other hand mom could not afford to keep her place if dad did not pay child support, that would be a dilemma. However, I would do ANYTHING in my power NOT to do it.

          What if I died as I was being experimented on, could not be to much good use then, could I?



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      • Profile picture of the author Christa_Regalado
        Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+ View Post

        That's just it! What if those drugs did not get approval because something went horribly wrong? Even drugs that does get approved have killed and had to be re-called.

        I just don't understand how someone can be so desperate and willingly do something like this. I would rather walk away from everything I owned and sleep on a friend's couch until I had found a way to make an honest living again.

        Just my 2 ore...
        This thread reminds me of the ad I saw on the subway, women who sell their eggs to fertility clinics. I think the women get paid in that range as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Williams
    Wow, I clicked on this link rather quickly. I'm a little embarrassed now that I think about it ...

    So, $8,000 for experimental drugs and spinal taps? I'll agree, that's pretty bad. But what's really insane is what some people will do for just $50. Makes your head spin ...

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    • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
      $50 :confused:? Any suggestions what I'd have to to for that :-( ? lol



      Originally Posted by Jeff Williams View Post

      Wow, I clicked on this link rather quickly. I'm a little embarrassed now that I think about it ...

      So, $8,000 for experimental drugs and spinal taps? I'll agree, that's pretty bad. But what's really insane is what some people will do for just $50. Makes your head spin ...

      -Jeff
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    • Profile picture of the author Heman Patel
      Originally Posted by Jeff Williams View Post

      Wow, I clicked on this link rather quickly. I'm a little embarrassed now that I think about it ...

      So, $8,000 for experimental drugs and spinal taps? I'll agree, that's pretty bad. But what's really insane is what some people will do for just $50. Makes your head spin ...

      -Jeff
      That's true, people in some countries sell their kidneys for less than $100.
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  • Profile picture of the author artwebster
    If you have never been seriously ill. If you have never seen a loved one be seriously ill. If you have never experienced the joy of waking 'from the dead' then I can understand why subjecting yourself to this sort of testing could seem odd.

    What I see as odd, though, is that rather than talk about altruism, service to mankind and medical research - $8,000 seems to be important.

    I have never been paid for participating in clinical trials but I know that my condition can make me a valuable guinea pig so, if I am asked and if I am able, I do volunteer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Brian
    I've heard of people selling body organs. I still think that despite of the high risk and "desperation" for money, they still do a great and somewhat noble service to others. They get paid to risk their lives and save others. Hats off to them... but major boo to serial killers who get paid to do otherwise.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    Most trials are pretty safe.

    CRO | Contract Research Organization | PPD Home Page <-- conducts trials in my city.

    I don't have a problem with the trials, but I don't participate for my boyfriend's sake. If you do your research on who's conducting them and you don't do them too often, chances are you'll be fine.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

      Most trials are pretty safe.

      CRO | Contract Research Organization | PPD Home Page <-- conducts trials in my city.

      I don't have a problem with the trials, but I don't participate for my boyfriend's sake. If you do your research on who's conducting them and you don't do them too often, chances are you'll be fine.
      With a SPINAL TAP!?!?!?!? NO THANKS!
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  • Profile picture of the author kempos
    This is amazing what people will do for a few bucks. They guy might be dead or at least not well for the rest of his live but hey!...he got $8k

    Crazy
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  • Profile picture of the author Sam Rodrigo
    Hey, the title is a bit misleading! It's just a 18-day lease of the body. Then you have it back and IF the good Doc did well, it will also heal itself of any puncture wounds.

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    • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
      IF?

      Yeah, if...



      Originally Posted by Sam Rodrigo View Post

      Hey, the title is a bit misleading! It's just a 18-day lease of the body. Then you have it back and IF the good Doc did well, it will also heal itself of any puncture wounds.

      Sam
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  • Profile picture of the author Raiel Schwartz
    My body is worth far more than $8000, I probably wouldn't subject myself to any tests (unless I already have a disease, and the clinical trial is for a cure or prevention)
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  • Profile picture of the author snidge
    I had an uncle that did something like this lol. He got too old for it I hear and instead of finally getting a job, he got his younger girlfriend to start doing it instead. Some people are insane!
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  • Profile picture of the author jojobusiness
    What about prostitutes who "SELL" their bodies to anyone for $50 to feed their drug addiction? Let alone all kind of diseases they carry in their body...
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    Clinical trials is how filmmaker Robert Rodriquez got the $5-7K to make his first feature length movie, El Mariachi. That movie launched his career.
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    • Profile picture of the author Entropy4
      There's the sleep studies too, where you get to sit in a single room by yourself for a month straight with no contact to the outside word for $5,000 or so.
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  • Profile picture of the author BlackWaterBlog
    $8,000 for a chance to die? No thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author Harry Behrens
        Originally Posted by alexa_s View Post

        I think the number of people who have ever died or even been left with any illnesses after taking part in such clinical trials is infinitessimally small. In fact I don't remember ever hearing of one at all. And it would certainly be a huge news story if it ever happened.
        I would say that depends on the country where you're at... in the US or UK I'm sure it's true, but if someone offered me this where I live, I would run like a bat outta hell :p

        Still seems freaky to me though no matter the level of safety... and for the friend to have told her 'don't worry everybody's doing it!" what! yeah right...

        Anyway I'll be waiting for the HOW I MADE $8,000 IN 18 DAYS NO WEBSITE NO LIST NO TRAFFIC GUARANTEED! WSO to appear
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  • Profile picture of the author Saul'
    In other words get employed as a lab rat. $8k in 18 days is not bad I suppose, but being a lab rat is not my calling, thank you very much.

    But hey, no job is a bad job. Give the guy some credit, he may be a subject for a drug that will save your life.
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    i did that when i was in college...did it for far less than 8000...
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  • Profile picture of the author Yisroelk
    I am almost sure that they need to have some type of approval before you can begin human trials. I dont believe its a risky as some of you make out to be. Still, I would never do that!!
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    I would never do this. This is insane. What if you have complications??

    Some people would do this and this amazes me a lot. But again,when it comes to MONEY, some people will do anything.

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    • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
      Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

      I would never do this. This is insane. What if you have complications??

      Some people would do this and this amazes me a lot. But again,when it comes to MONEY, some people will do anything.

      Tal
      That's basically why my man doesn't want me doing trials. His argument was that we both want kids someday and it'd be a tragedy if some 2-week trial to score $10,000 rendered me sterile.

      I couldn't argue with that so I decided it wasn't worth it. Maybe I'll talk to him after we've already had our kids
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      • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
        Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

        That's basically why my man doesn't want me doing trials. His argument was that we both want kids someday and it'd be a tragedy if some 2-week trial to score $10,000 rendered me sterile.

        I couldn't argue with that so I decided it wasn't worth it. Maybe I'll talk to him after we've already had our kids


        That would be one sick mama .
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        • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
          Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+ View Post

          That would be one sick mama .
          Why? Other than the pregnancy thing, there really isn't that much risk. Other than that though, by the time I'm DONE (and I don't even plan on having my first for awhile) I probably won't even think about it anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    Don't sell this as a secret in DP, some might do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author EmmaJames
    In college, some girls on my floor were desperate for
    cash and sold their eggs for $3,000 to a local fertility
    clinic.

    I was always too afraid of needles so they couldn't talk
    me into it. But most of them now wonder what happened
    to their eggs and if they may in fact have children out there.

    It's crazy what people will do for money...and that was
    17 years ago. I'll bet they pay a heck of a lot more now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
      Originally Posted by EmmaJames View Post

      In college, some girls on my floor were desperate for
      cash and sold their eggs for $3,000 to a local fertility
      clinic.

      I was always too afraid of needles so they couldn't talk
      me into it. But most of them now wonder what happened
      to their eggs and if they may in fact have children out there.

      It's crazy what people will do for money...and that was
      17 years ago. I'll bet they pay a heck of a lot more now.

      So, I guess, when one of your former college girls is standing in line at the super market and their is this teenager that LOOKS so familiar?!? Are they forever going to wonder if that could be THEIR kid when they see a stranger that LOOKS like someone they know?

      Probably...

      Think before you act (might be a smart move ).
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    When I saw the title I thought - hell, if I found someone that wanted my body bad enough to pay that kind of money I'd probably marry him. :rolleyes:

    There are a few things that come to my mind here -
    1. Around a quarter of a mil die each year from APPROVED drugs. Pharms are dangerous period.
    2. Our present head of the FDA almost didn't get his job - they told him he had to quit the experiments in FL that were enraging the public - he was paying desperate low income mothers $1,000 bucks and a t-shirt (no, not kidding) to spray their babies with toxic chemicals to see the effects.
    3. Sometimes a person has been told they have no hope of survival against a disease. The drug on trial MAY save them. These people not only are happy to try them out - they will petition for the right to do so - can we blame them?
    4. Back in the 50's (and it may still be going on, who's gonna tell us?) the medical community and government were using masses of population to test these things without the knowledge of those to be effective. There's an old book called 10,000 guinea pigs. Can't remember who wrote it but it's extremely enlightening.
    I would much rather see people go willingly and get paid for it than having something dropped in our water, food, vaccines, or subways where people never suspect they are exposed to a danger.
    5. Some people will do anything for a buck including sell their own children, kill, torture, sell national security secrets, run lethal drugs. So whether someone wants to sell themselves for some cash isn't a real surprising thing. You can only hope that they are making good choices and have solid reasons for the studies they participate in.

    If you are thinking of getting into one of these studies - just remember this:
    Our medical community is an industry - not separate from the Pharmaceutical corporate complex. Pharms write the courses and direct the programs that our med students take. They PAY for the studies on their own products and can be very effective at tipping results in their favor. How many whistle blowers are there considering the pharms are paying their bills or giving the grants? The FDA is also supported by the very industries it is constructed to protect us from - usually "safe" means "safe enough to avoid massive law suits" and even then they mess up.

    Any time you put a chemical in your body that wasn't naturally meant to be there it can cause problems -- tested or untested. So just weigh the benefits and the risks real careful before you sign up for a study.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Sal, not sure where you got your info, but the head of the FDA is a woman, is from New York and was never involved with spraying low income mothers with toxic chemicals.

      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      2. Our present head of the FDA almost didn't get his job - they told him he had to quit the experiments in FL that were enraging the public - he was paying desperate low income mothers $1,000 bucks and a t-shirt (no, not kidding) to spray their babies with toxic chemicals to see the effects.
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      • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
        Quote: "When I saw the title I thought - hell, if I found someone that wanted my body bad enough to pay that kind of money I'd probably marry him. :rolleyes:"

        Maybe its time for the WF to come up with a NEW category: Warrior looking for Warriora !
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Sal, not sure where you got your info, but the head of the FDA is a woman, is from New York and was never involved with spraying low income mothers with toxic chemicals.
        He might have been the last one - When was she installed? He should be in there now -- It's info from 2007 or 8 if I remember right. Been awhile since I paid attention to it. Not sure his exact title or name any more either - might be heading a different executive area.

        I actually am just taking a break from a LOT of work right now - but I'll try to remember to look it up again. Shouldn't be too hard, there was quite a bit of outrage, shortlived because he backed off for the position real fast, but caused some real activity in the "green" circles.

        If you don't see me post it here in a day or two, remind me and I'll get you the info.
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        • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
          Hi guys,

          it kind of seemed like this thread died off since it was removed from the main forum. I just need to stress that you should REALLY check out (google it) Codex Alimentarius. It is a SERIOUS issue. Please do it, thank you.
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+ View Post

            Hi guys,

            it kind of seemed like this thread died off since it was removed from the main forum. I just need to stress that you should REALLY check out (google it) Codex Alimentarius. It is a SERIOUS issue. Please do it, thank you.
            You weren't here in 2005 when the OTers did mass mailings and put up websites about this issue - Would have been a whole different issue if we'd had twitter back then.

            Now - if that scares you check this - CODEX is slated to go into effect in the US in 2010 - just about the time we get the deadly socialized health bill.
            We HAVE sold ourselves, but we're paying for it instead of being paid, LOL.

            But you aren't going to get anywhere with this - many people still believe in fluoridated water and sunscreen - and if you tell them different they don't even think about what you are saying. They just open their little mouths and automatically yell "conspiracy nut case", just like they were taught to do.
            You can give up on that one. If we couldn't stop it in 2005 and we couldn't stop a bailout that 90% of our people said no to, we aren't going to do much about this. But look at the bright side - look how much of the overpopulation it's going to "cure".
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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
              Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

              You weren't here in 2005 when the OTers did mass mailings and put up websites about this issue - Would have been a whole different issue if we'd had twitter back then.

              Now - if that scares you check this - CODEX is slated to go into effect in the US in 2010 - just about the time we get the deadly socialized health bill.
              We HAVE sold ourselves, but we're paying for it instead of being paid, LOL.

              But you aren't going to get anywhere with this - many people still believe in fluoridated water and sunscreen - and if you tell them different they don't even think about what you are saying. They just open their little mouths and automatically yell "conspiracy nut case", just like they were taught to do.
              You can give up on that one. If we couldn't stop it in 2005 and we couldn't stop a bailout that 90% of our people said no to, we aren't going to do much about this. But look at the bright side - look how much of the overpopulation it's going to "cure".
              what about sunscreen?
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                Don't ask.

                Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

                what about sunscreen?
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                Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

                what about sunscreen?
                I don't remember all the details, but for one it blocks the UVB rays that 7-dehydrocholesterol reacts with to produce vitamin D3.
                Depending on your local you may only need 15 minutes of exposure twice a week to produce enough D3 any more and it degrades as fast as it is made (over what you need). The closer you are to the equator the less (15 min. twice a week) exposure you need the farther away you are then you need longer exposure periods. If you wear sunblock or sunscreen every time you go out in the sun your skin can't produce the vitamin.
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            • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
              Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

              You weren't here in 2005 when the OTers did mass mailings and put up websites about this issue - Would have been a whole different issue if we'd had twitter back then.

              Now - if that scares you check this - CODEX is slated to go into effect in the US in 2010 - just about the time we get the deadly socialized health bill.
              We HAVE sold ourselves, but we're paying for it instead of being paid, LOL.

              But you aren't going to get anywhere with this - many people still believe in fluoridated water and sunscreen - and if you tell them different they don't even think about what you are saying. They just open their little mouths and automatically yell "conspiracy nut case", just like they were taught to do.
              You can give up on that one. If we couldn't stop it in 2005 and we couldn't stop a bailout that 90% of our people said no to, we aren't going to do much about this. But look at the bright side - look how much of the overpopulation it's going to "cure".

              Yep, I know but at least you get it, lol. So, are you stocking up :confused:
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              • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+ View Post

                Yep, I know but at least you get it, lol. So, are you stocking up :confused:
                People make way too much of "stocking up". How long can you stock for? Anything manufactured worth a tinker's damn is perishable.
                I have food remedies for almost everything - and while some popular herbs will be banned, too - there are always others. The only way they can completely cut us down is to fence in every plant in the world and come into our homes and force feed us our required diets. Ain't gonna happen in my lifetime.

                If they take garlic it will spoil a lot of recipes - but it's not the only plant in the family. If they take C - there are a LOT of food sources.

                While much of our soil is depleted because of endless growing - planting alternative plants helps quite a bit - can you plant a flower garden?? You have nutrients.

                The more creative you can be - the longer and stronger you will survive.
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                • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
                  Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                  People make way too much of "stocking up". How long can you stock for? Anything manufactured worth a tinker's damn is perishable.
                  I have food remedies for almost everything - and while some popular herbs will be banned, too - there are always others. The only way they can completely cut us down is to fence in every plant in the world and come into our homes and force feed us our required diets. Ain't gonna happen in my lifetime.

                  If they take garlic it will spoil a lot of recipes - but it's not the only plant in the family. If they take C - there are a LOT of food sources.

                  While much of our soil is depleted because of endless growing - planting alternative plants helps quite a bit - can you plant a flower garden?? You have nutrients.

                  The more creative you can be - the longer and stronger you will survive.
                  now there's a plant conspiracy? wow.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+ View Post

    Yep! Become a human guinea pig, book yourself in for 18 days and get $8,000 for the "bother", insane !
    I would NEVER do that! Not for $8,000, NOT for & 80,000, NOT for $800,000... NOTHING!

    What if they make a mistake and they screw your body?

    Believe me, health is the most valuable thing your life... I suggest that you take care of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+ View Post

    I met an old friend this morning, we talked about this and that just like old friends do. Then he told me that his neigbhor was in the hospital for eighteen days!

    I thought, poor guy, I wonder what is wrong with him, so I asked. His answer blew me away, totally. This is what he said:

    No, there is nothing wrong with him. He is taking experimental drugs as the doctors are researching how the drugs affects the body by constantly tapping his spine for fluid.

    Yep! Become a human guinea pig, book yourself in for 18 days and get $8,000 for the "bother", insane !

    My old friend just laughed and said a lot of people are doing it! Thank gosh I'm not hanging in THAT crowd anymore.

    Article marketers, Newbies and all you other IMers, maybe it's time to put in some over-time lol :-)
    While I see the value in human testing, let me tell you...I worked in the pharmaceutical business for 20 years. I have seen every phase of product creation, from R&D to final packaging.

    I also know some of the chemicals that go in to these drugs. Chemicals that by themselves do things like:

    - eat stainless steel like nothing
    - hang in the air like a cloud making people sick
    - explode when water contacts it
    - explode when air contacts it

    and so much more. I realize that by the time you get to the actual pill that the amount of these chemicals are TINY, I would not purposely put them into my body without good reason, or in the repeated quantity for 18 days.

    I don't even like taking them when they are prescribed

    So, I would definitely NOT do that for ANY amount of money.

    Well...maybe a few million

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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Stamper
    There's a book called "Rebel Without a Crew" by Robert Rodriquez. It's his diary, and much of it takes place in a similar "guinea pig" test lab. (Great book btw)

    He's locked in this lab for 30 days and will get paid $6,000. While in there he wrote a screenplay called "El Mariachi" since he had a lot of free time and nothing else to do. When released he shot the film himself for $6,000.

    That film rocketed his career and allowed him to make millions doing movies like "Spy Kids", "Sin City", "Grindhouse", and now he's about to do... get this... "The Jetsons".

    So, in theory, following the same blueprint... a marketer could have 18 days of free time to develop a product then $8,000 to launch it once he's released.
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    Scott,
    I posted that above.

    It's one of the legendary stories in indie moviemaking.

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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    guys!

    There are people who are in debt and for which $8000 is a LOT of money.
    There are people who are so deep in debt and they have money related problems that they might even consider suicide because of those problems.

    So..."risking" a body for getting $8000 is a WAY better choice than being $8000 in debt and facing being homeless or committing suicide, wouldn't you agree? For some people $8000 could solve a lot of their problems.
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    • Profile picture of the author bizideas
      Well I never submitted my body to research.

      There was a point in college when I became really broke. Like, peanut butter sandwich for breakfast, lunch, and dinner broke! I drained all my credit cards and I really didn't want to tap my parents for any more than I already had. I decided to give blood for a few extra bucks to get me by. I eventually found another part time income but I'll never forget that woozy feeling.

      How about this one:
      Did you know that writer, producer, and director Robert Rodriguez did tests on the hospital bed for medical research while he wrote his first mainstream script, El Mariachi?

      Now there's some determination.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
    Just saw the title and thought "Geezz...I can't seem to even give my body away lately.."
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  • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
    Quote: "I also know some of the chemicals that go in to these drugs. Chemicals that by themselves do things like:

    - eat stainless steel like nothing
    - hang in the air like a cloud making people sick
    - explode when water contacts it
    - explode when air contacts it

    and so much more. I realize that by the time you get to the actual pill that the amount of these chemicals are TINY, I would not purposely put them into my body without good reason, or in the repeated quantity for 18 days.

    I don't even like taking them when they are prescribed "

    Drug companies do a lot of BAD stuff.



    Why is Codex Alimentarius bad? For those of you do not know, do yourself a favor and google it before it is too late (and that is SOON).

    Not only experimenting with humans, now they are going to take away what is good for you!
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    I guess if you're desperate enough you'll become a guinea pig. For someone with no money $8000 is a lot. Who knows it could be a miracle medicine. Or it could kill you I've heard about people from India donating their kidneys for money for rich people instead of them on the long waiting list and they might die before they get to the top of the waiting list.
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  • Profile picture of the author smithy100
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    It went wrong about 3 years ago if you can remember. 3 people got very ill from it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
      Originally Posted by smithy100 View Post

      It went wrong about 3 years ago if you can remember. 3 people got very ill from it.
      I don't think you know what I am talking about, GOOGLE it....
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    hmm..8000 to repeated creating an opening in my spinal column. leaving me vulnerable to the nastiest kind of infections...in my spine.

    i'll pass.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Many people in developing countries have sold one of their kidneys for less than that.
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  • Profile picture of the author twisterdp
    Wow! It's a news for me as well. Oh gosh... are we looking at new job will be taking ... that is experiment on there body...
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  • Profile picture of the author embrown
    I got to the point that I thought about becoming an egg donor a large sum. But, my pedigree wasn't up to snuff.

    I have participated in one of those medical trails before, though. I got $50 a week to take social anxiety meds and come in once a week for 'counseling'. I think I got the placebo
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    • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
      Originally Posted by embrown View Post

      I got to the point that I thought about becoming an egg donor a large sum. But, my pedigree wasn't up to snuff.

      I have participated in one of those medical trails before, though. I got $50 a week to take social anxiety meds and come in once a week for 'counseling'. I think I got the placebo


      Thanks for the laugh !
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        Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+ View Post

        Thanks for the laugh !
        lol, sure!
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  • Profile picture of the author beempa
    Many people in poorer countries do this very thing as well. It's actually a normal way of life -- scary, huh?
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    LOL, Tim. I'm sparing you and me both -see link below:rolleyes:

    You need more than a couple of times a week, Thom - and 15 -20 minutes is a minimum for a two day supply or so, but many people slap on that sunscreen to GO outside at all.

    I'm putting a link to the article I wrote instead of writing it all here again.
    Note though - Avobenzone is SO carcinogenic that it has been banned in both EU and the US...........except - there is about a year supply of sunscreens with it in them on the market so the FDA postponed activation of the ban for a year so the Manufactureres can sell out of it...which means people will be dying from it for another YEAR. Money over safety.....the American way.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Sal notice I said closer to the equator is where you only need that much time as the UVB rays are stronger there. I agree where you and I are you need much longer exposures.
      But you know me, when spring hits I'm out in the sun almost from sun up to sun down and have only used sunscreen once. Then I got it confused with the bug spray which I wanted to use that day.
      For the record I almost never use bug spray either.
      Instead I keep them away the old fashion way. I don't use soaps with fragrances for myself or laundry. I don't use anything on my body that has a fragrance and when the bugs get real bad I either smoke more or burn incense around me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cerberus
    No way would I volunteer for any drug testing. Pharm companies are evil to the core and I would never put their crap into my body. $8000 is about 10,000,000% less then my body is worth to me.

    Fools.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    No, I didn't notice that one, Thom - and another thing that is important for people of color is that as humans migrated northward their skin lightened - the darker your skin, the less sensitive it is to Vitamin D absorption so Blacks and Hispanics, etc, that live in the North need much more sunlight than us whites do. We're built for less light.

    Your notes on fragrance are interesting - I use tea tree oil, bugs HATE it. Won't touch Munch or I when we have it on.....the ticks out here are crazy this year. Munch went outside to go potty one day and came in after 5 minutes out with a whole swarm on him. Got my tea tree oil out and they aren't to be found.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      I don't think I knew about the Tea Tree Oil (smoking my bedtime bowl so brain is shutting down)
      Either way that's good to know. Earlier in the spring the ticks where bad, but I haven't seen any in a while. Now poison Ivy, that's a whole different story.
      Thank god the touch-me-nots are also very abundant this year.
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  • Profile picture of the author MR2nice
    Not a chance.
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  • Profile picture of the author NexZone
    what does exactly the doctors get after such trials, Medical Science is becoming insane actually, is there any Law exist to stop such incidents ?
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  • Profile picture of the author BradSenkovich
    hmm mad scientists? Evil Corporations? sounds like a bond movie in the making...
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    hey Sal,

    You want to know how much *I* trust the idiots in the medical industry? There is a product that I now NEED to keep from getting a stroke! They WANTED to test me, and portion the stuff out. They ALSO wanted me to pay a LOT! I managed to test MYSELF, and trick them into giving me MORE, and I am buying GENERIC! The result? Instead of the 20 day supply they WANTED to give me, I have over a YEARs supply, and it grows by about 20 days every few weeks! AND it costs about the same for a year as a MONTH used to cost me!

    If they decide to take it off the market, I will have a couple years to fight, etc...

    I have done the same with a number of foods, cash, etc...

    Did you know that they found a CURE for a lot of kidney damage!?!?!? It is a special type of Vitamin B! Do you know what the FDA did? They proposed a BAN on it!!!!!! A BAN on a pill that can keep you from having to be loaded up with EXPENSIVE drugs, and put on dialysis for the rest of your life!!!!! That ONE pill could save health care a FORTUNE! Do you think Obama would overturn the ban? NO WAY!

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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Since when do Presidents overturn bans on drugs? Is this a new responsibility that I haven't heard of before? Somehow, I think there's A LOT MISSING from this story also.

      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Do you think Obama would overturn the ban? NO WAY!

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      They had the cure for 95% of heart problems in Germany back in 1970s -
      Can't get it approved here and not sure if it's still used there but they experienced 95% success rates, long term.
      It was Dr. Hans Nieper of Hanover, W. Germ who pioneered it. He got rave approval from Dr. Garry F. Gordon who was the then pres. of the Amer. Academy of Medical Peventics. Cleveland Clinic and Rotterdam repeated studies and came out with the same results.

      The treament was:
      Magnesium orotate 1500 - 2500 mg/day
      Potassium orotate: 150 - 300 mg/day
      Bromelain 120 - 140 mg/day

      The Mag ad Pot pass through the outer cell membrane and deliver these meinerals to the mitochondria and microsomes without disturbing the electric potential of the cell membrane and the bromelain inhibits platelet aggregation and dissolves fibrin clots.

      In the worst of the case areas there was still a 70% survival after 5 years - in the best a 96% after 5 years.

      Micheal - in Canada C-51 will allow police to go into anyone's home or garden (without warrant) that is suspected of growing garlic and arrest them.
      In the US there were just some food laws passed and the same week it was passed some gov goons in one of the SE states went in and raided and shut down a community garden that was feeding the homeless and those that were strapped. In our own CODEX AM. garlic is black listed - so is Vitamin C. Many nutrients are being labels toxins. I read CODEX in 2005 - I'm not reading that book of a legislation again so I can prove to you what it says.

      Personally, it makes me ill that people are so ill informed about what is going on in their own country's legislative branches. THey can come in here and throw crap in someone's face because they don't believe something - and they can whine to "prove it". I am wondering - Hey, it's your country, too - why don't you know this stuff at all?

      Even when you DO read it there is still room for interpretation - which is why we have a Chief Justice and Judiciary board.
      It's also why even though Tim and I are often at opposition about matters - we still like and respect each other........because we know the other at least checks out what's up once in awhile and all banter is disagreement - not ignorance.

      Guess if I have time for this I have time to go find that info about the FDA head, Tim - back in a flash if I can find it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        They had the cure for 95% of heart problems in Germany back in 1970s -
        Can't get it approved here and not sure if it's still used there but they experienced 95% success rates, long term.
        It was Dr. Hans Nieper of Hanover, W. Germ who pioneered it. He got rave approval from Dr. Garry F. Gordon who was the then pres. of the Amer. Academy of Medical Peventics. Cleveland Clinic and Rotterdam repeated studies and came out with the same results.

        The treament was:
        Magnesium orotate 1500 - 2500 mg/day
        Potassium orotate: 150 - 300 mg/day
        Bromelain 120 - 140 mg/day

        The Mag ad Pot pass through the outer cell membrane and deliver these meinerals to the mitochondria and microsomes without disturbing the electric potential of the cell membrane and the bromelain inhibits platelet aggregation and dissolves fibrin clots.

        In the worst of the case areas there was still a 70% survival after 5 years - in the best a 96% after 5 years.

        Micheal - in Canada C-51 will allow police to go into anyone's home or garden (without warrant) that is suspected of growing garlic and arrest them.
        In the US there were just some food laws passed and the same week it was passed some gov goons in one of the SE states went in and raided and shut down a community garden that was feeding the homeless and those that were strapped. In our own CODEX AM. garlic is black listed - so is Vitamin C. Many nutrients are being labels toxins. I read CODEX in 2005 - I'm not reading that book of a legislation again so I can prove to you what it says.

        Personally, it makes me ill that people are so ill informed about what is going on in their own country's legislative branches. THey can come in here and throw crap in someone's face because they don't believe something - and they can whine to "prove it". I am wondering - Hey, it's your country, too - why don't you know this stuff at all?

        Even when you DO read it there is still room for interpretation - which is why we have a Chief Justice and Judiciary board.
        It's also why even though Tim and I are often at opposition about matters - we still like and respect each other........because we know the other at least checks out what's up once in awhile and all banter is disagreement - not ignorance.

        Guess if I have time for this I have time to go find that info about the FDA head, Tim - back in a flash if I can find it.


        Wow Sal, you really do know your stuff and THANK YOU for your contributions. MAYBE someone will listen up! Way to go girl!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    it wont save healthcare a fortune, it will cost them a fortune in revenue...thats why its banned.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      it wont save healthcare a fortune, it will cost them a fortune in revenue...thats why its banned.


      There is desperation EVERYWHERE! Sad part about it, if you are squezed into a corner, you might go for it and be fine for the next 20 years. THEN, somethings happen and you are toast.

      Life is precious (or at least it SHOULD be).

      Becoming an animal rat is discusting, but, if that is your ONLY choice, well...

      To each of its own...
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Tim - I should have known Obama would change heads of the FDA when he got in.
    I just tried to find the articles but I'm running low on time - Under Bush there were 3 FDA heads - Don't know what happened to the first but he was replaced by Crawford who quit abruptly and was replaced by Von Eschenbach who also had problems of some sort - Congress fought over putting him in pretty hard. I think it was him that I was thinking of - real shady character. Congress didn't want him in there, but if you remember, Bush had a way of closing doors and getting things done. It was during the middle of 2005 so I think I'm right that it was him. Anyhow - all of his Men are out of the FDA now.

    Incidentally - for those who don't understand the big CODEX controversy and don't have time to read a book of really tenuous crap - here's a link that will clear a few of the issues up for you.
    Health Freedom Threats: Codex, FDA, Vaccinations, GMOs :: HealthFreedomUSA.org
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  • Profile picture of the author Poglia
    I won't do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author eSeM
    I wouldnt do anything where they're pulling spinal fluid, I'd maybe pop some pills and get some blood drawn.
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  • Profile picture of the author YanKirby
    Totally agree, I have to feel guilty for being caught up with the "link bait" title.

    With regards to the human guinea pig issue, I truly am aware of that.

    $8,000?? In certain VERY depressed areas of where I come from, they'd be more than happy to do it for free lunch.

    Sad but true.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    8k and the possibility to get an infection with multiple spinal taps? pass. If you get a spinal cord infection, you're done...and 8k isnt going to cover it.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    I wouldn't sell my body.

    However I could rent it out.

    Reasonable rates.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slepua
    Huh? $8k just for being researched in hospital for 18 days? That's a lot of money and not that really risky. Here in Lithuania we are fighting crysis now, people are selling their kidneys in illegal ways for just ~100 000LT(its about $50k) - that's just sick! They are ruining their future lives for money. I just can not understand it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
    I once dated a girl for a couple months that sold her own child for $18,000. Where did all of the money go? Drugs. All of the red tape was cleared by a lawyer, and she and the baby's father has no rights to the child at all.

    I have a hilarious story that very few people ever believe.

    When I was younger, I did a lot for Pfizer .I went to school at Sacred Heart in Groton, CT and one of my class mates was the son of one of the head people at Pfizer. I did a study on hair loss, and received several small injections on my body (not on my head however) and low and behold, I have this awkward patch of really thick black hair that hardly even resembles back hair (seriously looks like pubic hair) - however, if you look in my picture in my avatar... my hair is brown and somewhat blond in the summer. I have no other hair on my back except for this certain section of hair on my right side near my shoulder blade. It grows very quickly, way quicker than every other type of hair on my body. It's hilarious whenever I go to the pool and forget to shave it.

    I could show a picture but people would probably assume I shaved it that way or something.
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  • Profile picture of the author ezjob
    Round up all the illegals and save California a lot of money (mucho dinero). Ha!
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Man, I thought you were talking about something else. I was sitting over here going "hell, I never got that much, and I'm GOOD."
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    Ok here we go - 10 years back as a broke student I got $700 and free food for 2 months & free accomadation for going on an experimental diet for a nutrition study.

    The food was actually normal but it was a different menu for each day of the week so after 2 months I was glad it was over.

    Heres the thing. pee & poop were collected through the whole 2 months. Plus copious amounts of blood on some days.

    Theres no such thing as a free lunch.
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    I'd sell my body for a BigMac and a Coke - to Halle Berry
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  • Profile picture of the author Mili_D
    There is no right no wrong!
    Who are we to judge?
    Think back to how many crazy things we have done that others many think it was outrageous?
    But your body is you temple don't abuse it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
    I wouldn't sell mine for $8,000...BUT, I would consider payment on a subscription basis...
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