Do you believe in demonic forces?

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Recently after having watched the great horror flick 'Deliver us from evil', I started researching about demonic forces and how they are different from spirits of the dead. It is quite fascinating. There are numerous youtube documentaries floating around as well.

What I want to know is how many of you believe in demonic forces on our earth?

Do you believe that demonic beings can take over a person and posses them?
#demon #demonic #evil spirit #horror
  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    And now, the fun begins. I don't know how we can keep this non-religious...but let's see how long this thread lasts.
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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      And now, the fun begins. I don't know how we can keep this non-religious...but let's see how long this thread lasts.
      My thoughts exactly. This thread would have fared better if the OP asked
      about angels instead.

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    Yes.

    Invasion from hell is always a distinct possibility.
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      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      This won't end well.
      Indeed.
      Imagine if humanity opens a portal to hell by mistake
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        Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

        Indeed.
        Imagine if humanity opens a portal to hell by mistake

        What makes you so sure we aren't in hell right now? Have you been to the main forum lately?
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          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          What makes you so sure we aren't in hell right now? Have you been to the main forum lately?
          And I would also ask "Have you met Dan Riffle?"
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          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          What makes you so sure we aren't in hell right now? Have you been to the main forum lately?
          My father wasn't a religious type, but he told me once about one of his beliefs from his religion.
          He said hell is on Earth and it's up to each of us to do as much good as possible to make it more like heaven. He also said it's not important to believe in heaven or hell, but it is important to do as much good as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Rodd
    Does obesity count as demonic manifestation? Like, when you reach for another cupcake, "the devil made me do it." Gluttony is part of the seven sins as I recall.
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        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Where's Shane?
        Mars, I think. He'll be home for tea, though: he's been eating rabbit-pie all weekend and will need a change ...
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Where's Shane?
        Shane? I have a list of five or so, that will make this entertaining...for as long a it lasts.


        Demons are easy to spot. They have goatees and insult everyone.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Demons are easy to spot. They have goatees and insult everyone.
          Not everyone.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

            Not everyone.
            Everyone named Claude. And Demons are bullies. And they never buy you lunch. And they never call you back, even though they have your phone number.


            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

            This won't end well.
            I've read that before on this forum. You're just repeating what you've read before. You're a repeater. You just repeat. That's what repeaters do. Why do you always have to repeat what others are saying?

            You are the Ruiner Of Everything.
            (I know you'll get that)


            Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

            My father wasn't a religious type, but he told me once about one of his beliefs from his religion.
            He said hell is on Earth and it's up to each of us to do as much good as possible to make it more like heaven. He also said it's not important to believe in heaven or hell, but it is important to do as much good as possible.
            Your father sounds like a wise man.
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        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Where's Shane?
        Last I know he was stroking his fluffy bunny

        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Furiously stroking my fluffy bunny, and impatiently waiting for Claude's response, or Riffles? True, if l stroke my fluffy bunny for too long l will have nothing left!
        in this thread

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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Your father sounds like a wise man.
          Thanks Claude, he was. He never spoke much but when he did I always had the tendency to listen.
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  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    Originally Posted by avenueactiv View Post

    Recently after having watched the great horror flick 'Deliver us from evil', I started researching about demonic forces and how they are different from spirits of the dead. It is quite fascinating. There are numerous youtube documentaries floating around as well.
    I know what you mean. Some believe that aliens are demons like in this video I just found after doing a quick search on YouTube.




    Quantum Physics, Claude.



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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Originally Posted by avenueactiv View Post

    Recently after having watched the great horror flick 'Deliver us from evil', I started researching about demonic forces and how they are different from spirits of the dead. It is quite fascinating. There are numerous youtube documentaries floating around as well.

    What I want to know is how many of you believe in demonic forces on our earth?

    Do you believe that demonic beings can take over a person and posses them?
    Yea, how about if a person is evil and leads others to do evil?
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      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Yea, how about if a person is evil and leads others to do evil?
      What if the person is good but leads evil people to do evil on the behalf of good?
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

        What if the person is good but leads evil people to do evil on the behalf of good?
        Beware, Mortal! For now you are entering the secret realm of...quantum physics!
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    Not so sure about Demons - but there is absolutely some evil that is running around this planet. Demons might be their excuse, but I think that evil is a person's own volition.

    I've been to the main forum.........it's not really hell........just kinda an abyss.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    Originally Posted by avenueactiv View Post

    Do you believe that demonic beings can take over a person and posses them?
    For those who debate this topic, the question is usually; are those "demons" free agents or an embodiment of the subconscious in the subjective mindstate that's perceiving it's own "reality". If it's to be regarded as the latter, then people basically posses themselves.

    Thoms post nailed what I was going to finish with. The mind is in constant flux between a "good" and an "evil", or a "dark" and a "light" true to dualism which is displayed in the world literally everywhere. It's a dance between minors and majors and you're free to side with either tune.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

      For those who debate this topic, the question is usually; are those "demons" free agents or an embodiment of the subconscious in the subjective mindstate that's perceiving it's own "reality". If it's to be regarded as the latter, then people basically posses themselves.

      Thoms post nailed what I was going to finish with. The mind is in constant flux between a "good" and an "evil", or a "dark" and a "light" true to dualism which is displayed in the world literally everywhere. It's a dance between minors and majors and you're free to side with either tune.
      I already ran out of thanks, Daniel, so I couldn't thank you for this response. I do believe we create our own reality including heaven or hell. Again, it's what we focus on - for example: I could live my life focusing on the evils of war and terrorism as it is happening all around us, or I could walk in the back of my apartment to the riverbank and watch ducks peacefully gliding by - and feel an over-whelming sense of peace and tranquility that one would expect in heaven - it is my choice.

      I choose heaven
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Look around at all the bad things in this world, they always revolve around self satisfying power trips.

    You can call it evil, demons or whatever but it's all man made.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Look around at all the bad things in this world, they always revolve around self satisfying power trips.

      You can call it evil, demons or whatever but it's all man made.
      The argument then would be; because the "bad" is expressed through man doesn't automatically suggest that it's a creation of man.

      It's really no different from those who suppose that instinct and luck are external conditions that exist outside the self but are imposed upon the self as the vessel to receive and experience them.

      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      What if the person is good but leads evil people to do evil on the behalf of good?
      That's not a conundrum, rather a default condition of dualism.

      Yin defines the Yang. The Yang defines the Yin. There is a part (depicted by an "eye") of Yang inYin and portion of Yin in Yang.




      The same is expressed in the picture below.

      I always consider "Although they are appearing to oppose forces, their hands are joined":

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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Where's Shane?
        I have been skulking in the depths of reality waiting to pounce, (or l didn't have time to go to this forum and went out for the day)!

        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Mars, I think. He'll be home for tea, though: he's been eating rabbit-pie all weekend and will need a change ...
        Rabbit pie, never!

        But you are right, l was home for tea!


        Originally Posted by Gasen View Post

        Last I know he was stroking his fluffy bunny

        in this thread
        No, l have a girlfriend now, so my stroking of fluffy bunnies days are over!





        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        I know what you mean. Some believe that aliens are demons like in this video I just found after doing a quick search on YouTube.


        Aliens Come From Hell - YouTube


        Quantum Physics, Claude.



        Terra
        Yep, tried to watch some of those, pretty one sided and dumb, all things considered.

        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Avenueactiv... I am so sorry I did not get to this thread sooner, it seems it has already been partly possessed by some undesirable sub demons. To make my life easier as a forum demonologist they have already given their names. Let's see what we are up against.

        I see Clyde Crucible is here, and Goatiedwarf, Rickrod the Satanic Horse, Gasen The Ghastly.. There are others. Pay no attention to their jibes, they are here to mock you, to tell lies and deceive you. We have some powers of illumination too.. HeySal the nature fairy and Lord Tagiscom the high priest of Mars are in attendence. They will protect us.

        While I await the Mod Priests to Exorcise this thread and try to banish them. I will say the protective invocation. The sub-demons are afraid of the names spoken in this powerful prose, and will keep their jibes to a minimum.

        By the power vested in me by Lord Tagiscom I challenge thee to come forward, feel the aggression of the Wagenheim and the manic energy of the Seasoned, begone from this place, be banished to the WSO section asking Vendors to PM you samples, begone.. So Mote It Be!

        There, that should hold them for a while.
        WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!!! Ahem,....l mean, bless you my son!



        Evil spirits made me write the first bit, no, seriously! Damn Jack Daniels!

        Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

        Like I always say there is no worse horror than the daily news.

        For example #1 just the last 2 days in the news: a man in black walking with a cane crossing the freeway - was hit and then run over several times - most didn't even stop. Nobody knows who he was - no ID.

        What demon had him doing that? Maybe the one that is in alcohol? or maybe drugs? Where did he believe he was? Or did he do it purposely?


        All of these bummers are direct demonic attacks.
        Hmmm, well l won't talk about there being 7 levels of reality or dimensions, (heaven being up there, and hell being lower) whereby hell, is more like a continual Roman orgy on steroids. And individuals go there, because they need to learn, in order to go to higher vibrational states or dimensions to evolve. Becuase l know l will be slammed for it, so l will zip my mouth shut!

        And true, the energy of this planet is being raised, so individuals are listening to their ego selves, that tell them to kill, etc in order to achieve a better life.

        Hard to say whether you could call the ego, a demon, it can act demonic, in order to distance itself from its higher self, which will ultimately limit and even remove the ego from the individual.

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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Look around at all the bad things in this world, they always revolve around self satisfying power trips.

      You can call it evil, demons or whatever but it's all man made.
      Yep, most if not all evil in the world can be traced right back to a human body.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        "Evil" itself is a term used to describe a condition within the confines of mans own language that defines a perception in mans mind, so it surely couldn't be traced back to anything else other than the source of its own definition, (assuming it isn't a "free agent" phenomenon free of being labelled...)

        A "plant" ain't a plant unless there's a mind present to percieve it and label it as one...
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  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    Originally Posted by avenueactiv View Post

    Recently after having watched the great horror flick 'Deliver us from evil', I started researching about demonic forces and how they are different from spirits of the dead. It is quite fascinating. There are numerous youtube documentaries floating around as well.

    What I want to know is how many of you believe in demonic forces on our earth?

    Do you believe that demonic beings can take over a person and posses them?
    Avenueactiv... I am so sorry I did not get to this thread sooner, it seems it has already been partly possessed by some undesirable sub demons. To make my life easier as a forum demonologist they have already given their names. Let's see what we are up against.

    I see Clyde Crucible is here, and Goatiedwarf, Rickrod the Satanic Horse, Gasen The Ghastly.. There are others. Pay no attention to their jibes, they are here to mock you, to tell lies and deceive you. We have some powers of illumination too.. HeySal the nature fairy and Lord Tagiscom the high priest of Mars are in attendence. They will protect us.

    While I await the Mod Priests to Exorcise this thread and try to banish them. I will say the protective invocation. The sub-demons are afraid of the names spoken in this powerful prose, and will keep their jibes to a minimum.

    By the power vested in me by Lord Tagiscom I challenge thee to come forward, feel the aggression of the Wagenheim and the manic energy of the Seasoned, begone from this place, be banished to the WSO section asking Vendors to PM you samples, begone.. So Mote It Be!

    There, that should hold them for a while.
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      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      Avenueactiv... I am so sorry I did not get to this thread sooner, it seems it has already been partly possessed by some undesirable sub demons. To make my life easier as a forum demonologist they have already given their names. Let's see what we are up against.

      I see Clyde Crucible is here, and Goatiedwarf, Rickrod the Satanic Horse, Gasen The Ghastly.. There are others. Pay no attention to their jibes, they are here to mock you, to tell lies and deceive you. We have some powers of illumination too.. HeySal the nature fairy and Lord Tagiscom the high priest of Mars are in attendence. They will protect us.

      While I await the Mod Priests to Exorcise this thread and try to banish them. I will say the protective invocation. The sub-demons are afraid of the names spoken in this powerful prose, and will keep their jibes to a minimum.

      By the power vested in me by Lord Tagiscom I challenge thee to come forward, feel the aggression of the Wagenheim and the manic energy of the Seasoned, begone from this place, be banished to the WSO section asking Vendors to PM you samples, begone.. So Mote It Be!

      There, that should hold them for a while.

      Can't....move.....Can't....... tease.....Invocation...too.....strong..........

      Must....summon.........Evil...Darklord....Riffle.. .........to...aid....me.......
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          Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

          It's a matter of who you know.


          Your only supposed to advertise your Barbeque Recipe Books in the signature.

          Name yourself demon. Is it Luthors

          (a joke only applicable to Texas residents)
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      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      A. HeySal the nature fairy and Lord Tagiscom the high priest of Mars are in attendence. They will protect us.

      There, that should hold them for a while.
      Um...yeah........don't count on that one workin' for ya.
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      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      Avenueactiv... I am so sorry I did not get to this thread sooner, it seems it has already been partly possessed by some undesirable sub demons. To make my life easier as a forum demonologist they have already given their names. Let's see what we are up against.

      I see Clyde Crucible is here, and Goatiedwarf, Rickrod the Satanic Horse, Gasen The Ghastly.. There are others. Pay no attention to their jibes, they are here to mock you, to tell lies and deceive you. We have some powers of illumination too.. HeySal the nature fairy and Lord Tagiscom the high priest of Mars are in attendence. They will protect us.

      While I await the Mod Priests to Exorcise this thread and try to banish them. I will say the protective invocation. The sub-demons are afraid of the names spoken in this powerful prose, and will keep their jibes to a minimum.

      By the power vested in me by Lord Tagiscom I challenge thee to come forward, feel the aggression of the Wagenheim and the manic energy of the Seasoned, begone from this place, be banished to the WSO section asking Vendors to PM you samples, begone.. So Mote It Be!

      There, that should hold them for a while.
      It is I oh enlightened one, Ricahard von Serpent trainer and Lord of all the minions of the under world and it's beasts and hell fires.

      I went to the section of demonic hell that you abbreviate, the Wolf Serpent O'Yama (WSO section), I languished with the beasts within until I bought a 2 tier link package and lost $7 of Satan's money.

      I'm now having my bottom whipped by Tunrida the Scandinavian female devil and I have to say it's quite pleasant.
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        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        It is I oh enlightened one, Ricahard von Serpent trainer and Lord of all the minions of the under world and it's beasts and hell fires.

        I went to the section of demonic hell that you abbreviate, the Wolf Serpent O'Yama (WSO section), I languished with the beasts within until I bought a 2 tier link package and lost $7 of Satan's money.

        I'm now having my bottom whipped by Tunrida the Scandinavian female devil and I have to say it's quite pleasant.
        Your treading a very precarious path visiting the WSO dimension. You even called it by it's full name, very dangerous, they abbreviate it for a reason. Many banished demons and demi-guru's lurk there, spreading their deceptive dreams of great wealth. Notice, you gave one the number 7, pure evil. This allows him to give you your download laced with the Demon-Seed virus. Once that lets loose on your computer it will open up a gateway for them to come through and infest the Offline Marketing section.

        I have requested that High Priest Tagiscom of Mars and his fluffy followers perform the master ritual which will seal the rift forever. In the meantime you must protect yourself.

        At the full moon ,you must take a compass, find the north, and keep walking until you come to the nearest woodland or forest, whatever comes first, you must walk in a straight line, that means clambering over, walls, houses, sewage works, trash cans, whatever is in your path. It will be hard, it will be dangerous, but it will make a great You-Tube Vid to have a laugh at.

        When you get to the forest or woodland you should find the tallest tree and make for it, when you get to the tree you should scrape one handful of Wibble Bark from it using a sacred sword (sorry I forgot to tell you, you must have a sacred sword blessed by the Pope) Place the Wibble Bark in a ziplock sandwhich bag that must be purchased from Wal-Mart. Then bend down and pick some wild mushrooms from the base of the tree, Return home and grind all this together to a pulp with a Pestel and Mortar and some Sams Club Pagan spring water. All the time chanting "Wibble Bark, Wibble Bark, keep the demons in the dark"

        Then at midnight, strip naked and apply the paste filling all orifices of your body. Only then you will be safe.

        Phew, glad I was here to advise.

        PS The bottom whipping, do you get a choice of implement?
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          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          Your treading a very precarious path visiting the WSO dimension. You even called it by it's full name, very dangerous, they abbreviate it for a reason. Many banished demons and demi-guru's lurk there, spreading their deceptive dreams of great wealth. Notice, you gave one the number 7, pure evil. This allows him to give you your download laced with the Demon-Seed virus. Once that lets loose on your computer it will open up a gateway for them to come through and infest the Offline Marketing section.

          I have requested that High Priest Tagiscom of Mars and his fluffy followers perform the master ritual which will seal the rift forever. In the meantime you must protect yourself.

          At the full moon ,you must take a compass, find the north, and keep walking until you come to the nearest woodland or forest, whatever comes first, you must walk in a straight line, that means clambering over, walls, houses, sewage works, trash cans, whatever is in your path. It will be hard, it will be dangerous, but it will make a great You-Tube Vid to have a laugh at.

          When you get to the forest or woodland you should find the tallest tree and make for it, when you get to the tree you should scrape one handful of Wibble Bark from it using a sacred sword (sorry I forgot to tell you, you must have a sacred sword blessed by the Pope) Place the Wibble Bark in a ziplock sandwhich bag that must be purchased from Wal-Mart. Then bend down and pick some wild mushrooms from the base of the tree, Return home and grind all this together to a pulp with a Pestel and Mortar and some Sams Club Pagan spring water. All the time chanting "Wibble Bark, Wibble Bark, keep the demons in the dark"

          Then at midnight, strip naked and apply the paste filling all orifices of your body. Only then you will be safe.

          Phew, glad I was here to advise.

          PS The bottom whipping, do you get a choice of implement?
          LOL, you should write fiction!

          Damn, why do l have to always seal the rifts????

          My fluffy bunny minions have been hailing to the full moon for the last couple of days and they are exhausted!

          Best to take two fluffy bunnies and call me in the morning!


          Or get Claude our "Lard and Savour", (sorry Claude, couldn't resist that one) to extinguish the portal with one of his vacumn cleaners!

          I know that he is evil, but catch him on a good day, it is possible.

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            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            LOL, you should write fiction!
            Totally agree! With lanfear's humorously dark and twisted imagination, he could write "50 Shades of Claude and Riffle" and give 50 Shades of Grey some serious competition!!

            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            Claude our "Lard and Savour"
            Too funny! (Be careful, though; you don't want to reinforce Claude's delusions of grandeur!)
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            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            Or get Claude our "Lard and Savour", (sorry Claude, couldn't resist that one) to extinguish the portal with one of his vacumn cleaners!

            I know that he is evil, but catch him on a good day, it is possible.

            Lard and Savour?

            That did it.

            Game on.

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            Do you believe in demonic forces?
            Of course not, "demonic forces" are nothing more than a get out of jail free card
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              Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

              Of course not, "demonic forces" are nothing more than a get out of jail free card
              Anybody remember Flip Wilson and his "Devil Made Me Do It" skits? LOL
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                Think Positive, Be Positive, Act Positive
                Yes, yes, and yes. Don't let the negative follow you.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          Your treading a very precarious path visiting the WSO dimension. You even called it by it's full name, very dangerous, they abbreviate it for a reason. Many banished demons and demi-guru's lurk there, spreading their deceptive dreams of great wealth. Notice, you gave one the number 7, pure evil. This allows him to give you your download laced with the Demon-Seed virus. Once that lets loose on your computer it will open up a gateway for them to come through and infest the Offline Marketing section.

          I have requested that High Priest Tagiscom of Mars and his fluffy followers perform the master ritual which will seal the rift forever. In the meantime you must protect yourself.

          At the full moon ,you must take a compass, find the north, and keep walking until you come to the nearest woodland or forest, whatever comes first, you must walk in a straight line, that means clambering over, walls, houses, sewage works, trash cans, whatever is in your path. It will be hard, it will be dangerous, but it will make a great You-Tube Vid to have a laugh at.

          When you get to the forest or woodland you should find the tallest tree and make for it, when you get to the tree you should scrape one handful of Wibble Bark from it using a sacred sword (sorry I forgot to tell you, you must have a sacred sword blessed by the Pope) Place the Wibble Bark in a ziplock sandwhich bag that must be purchased from Wal-Mart. Then bend down and pick some wild mushrooms from the base of the tree, Return home and grind all this together to a pulp with a Pestel and Mortar and some Sams Club Pagan spring water. All the time chanting "Wibble Bark, Wibble Bark, keep the demons in the dark"

          Then at midnight, strip naked and apply the paste filling all orifices of your body. Only then you will be safe.

          Phew, glad I was here to advise.

          PS The bottom whipping, do you get a choice of implement?
          Dam you to hell and back to Texas. I'm out of thanks, haven't given any and it's first thing in the morning here.

          Something has come through the portal. Let me just check I've got that mix in every orifice....
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Like I always say there is no worse horror than the daily news.

    For example #1 just the last 2 days in the news: a man in black walking with a cane crossing the freeway - was hit and then run over several times - most didn't even stop. Nobody knows who he was - no ID.

    What demon had him doing that? Maybe the one that is in alcohol? or maybe drugs? Where did he believe he was? Or did he do it purposely?

    For example #2 Robin Williams, a gifted actor, a success, married, etc., just decided to kill himself. What demonic influence was making him depressed enough to take his own life?

    Yeah - some claymation or mechanical monster doesn't scare me - or some unrealistic scenario with aliens invading from outer space - we have them at the border - The doors are wide open and the murderous drug cartels are coming in with the violent gangs and human trafficers. Along with their hideous violence, they are bringing tuburculosis and all kinds of other diseases into the country that had been all but extinct here. Now that is scary.

    Have you heard yet that vaccinations you got as a kid expire? You might be getting all the childhood diseases again. Of course it is a lot more serious if you get the diseases as an older person - whole different ballgame so better get a update on your vaccinations - oh and hope you don't get something really weird from the vaccine.

    All of these bummers are direct demonic attacks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      Do you believe in demonic forces?

      Yes! The dark power of "Stupid" has almost completely engulfed mankind.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Rodd
    Combine this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...-accurate.html with this one and we'll have a hell of a good time. It all fits perfectly, you see.
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  • Profile picture of the author Yvon Boulianne
    There is many way to understand that, one is that Demonic is the Earth Energy (don`t mean bad, just earthly)
    what i mean is that it`s the physical energy, the one that make us go after physical stuff like money, possession, sex...

    In some esotheric practice you can summon a Demon that will obey your Will so you can acheive some purpose.

    Another is that it`s the repressed energy from our subscounscious
    the subscounsicous is seen as the part of the iceberg that we don`t see and the counscious is the part of it that we see so the subcounscious is way more powerful.

    Another is that the Demonic is the negative part of the human, the part that is dark, the part that make use do "bad" stuff.

    and i`m sure there is more ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Writes
    Originally Posted by avenueactiv View Post

    What I want to know is how many of you believe in demonic forces on our earth?

    Do you believe that demonic beings can take over a person and posses them?
    To answer your question, yes, many people do believe in Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    Originally Posted by avenueactiv View Post

    What I want to know is how many of you believe in demonic forces on our earth?
    Just to recap, I thought your original topic was a good one and left potential for interesting conversation, though as you've no doubt noted, things tend to dissipate into randomness, usually initiated by the same people who just aren't interested and can't let things be...and it's all downhill from there.

    Regrettably, its become a trend.

    If you'd like some seriousness be sure to check out the RIP threads....or stay tuned here for sarcasm
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

      Just to recap, I thought your original topic was a good one and left potential for interesting conversation, though as you've no doubt noted, things tend to dissipate into randomness...
      Daniel, part of the reason for this (at least in this thread), is because religious topics are prohibited. And demonic possession, while an interesting topic, is pretty difficult to discuss without venturing into religion at some point. And that usually doesn't end well.

      If that rule weren't in place I think this thread would have gone in a very different direction - at least with some here (some people just can't help themselves, I realize!). I really enjoy a spirited, deep discussion on challenging issues - including religion and politics - but also fully understand why the rule is in place in this type of setting.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

        Daniel, part of the reason for this (at least in this thread), is because religious topics are prohibited.
        Trust me, that be not the case.

        Spirituality topics, supernatural and anything remotely similar, which need not touch upon religion, suffers the same fate.

        It's simple failure to just let it be - said Lennon.
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        • Profile picture of the author Cali16
          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

          Trust me, that be not the case.

          Spirituality topics, supernatural and anything remotely similar, which need not touch upon religion, suffers the same fate.
          "Need not touch upon religion" isn't the same as "won't go there inevitably". It's very difficult for a lot of people to avoid bringing religion into the topics you mentioned. There was a thread just a week or so ago about a man's spreadsheet with all his wife's excuses to not have sex. The thread ended up getting deleted because several people started bringing up Bible verses related to marriage. And the topic wasn't one I would have anticipated venturing there, but it did.

          So, topics like demon possession and any "spiritual / supernatural" topics are much more vulnerable to that slippery slope.

          That being said, I understand what you're saying and yes, I've seen many threads get completely derailed by silly banter (although personally, I enjoy the break from seriousness - it's why I enjoy the Off Topic forum - but I know the silliness annoys some as well).

          Anyway, I was just offering my perspective. As I said, I believe that's "part" of the reason - at least at times.
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

            "Need not touch upon religion" isn't the same as "won't go there inevitably". It's very difficult for a lot of people to avoid bringing religion into the topics you mentioned. There was a thread just a week or so ago about a man's spreadsheet with all his wife's excuses to not have sex. The thread ended up getting deleted because several people started bringing up Bible verses related to marriage. And the topic wasn't one I would have anticipated venturing there, but it did.

            So, topics like demon possession and any "spiritual / supernatural" topics are much more vulnerable to that slippery slope.

            That being said, I understand what you're saying and yes, I've seen many threads get completely derailed by silly banter (although personally, I enjoy the break from seriousness - it's why I enjoy the Off Topic forum - but I know the silliness annoys some as well).

            Anyway, I was just offering my perspective. As I said, I believe that's "part" of the reason - at least at times.
            Those people, then, should have their posts deleted instead of being allowed to silence everyone just because they can't handle a subject without resorting to it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Cali16
              Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

              Those people, then, should have their posts deleted instead of being allowed to silence everyone just because they can't handle a subject without resorting to it.
              I totally agree, but I suspect the topics were forbidden to begin with so the mods don't have to spend a lot of their time and energy in this forum doing just that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

      ....or stay tuned here for sarcasm
      I'll start.

      Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

      (some people just can't help themselves, I realize!)
      Please forgive us our sins as we forgive those that ignore the politics and religion rule.

      I really enjoy a spirited, deep discussion on challenging issues - including religion and politics - but also fully understand why the rule is in place in this type of setting.
      I see what you did there.

      Sorry I couldn't help myself.

      I think perhaps it's time to scrap the the no politics or religion rule and bring in an out right ban on humour and fun.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        That would be harsh to mankind Richard, you Devil you.

        ...though an on-topic rule perhaps nice.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

          ...though an on-topic rule perhaps nice.
          An on topic rule in the off topic forum? Good grief.

          You are right though, I can appreciate it's annoying when someone just wants to discuss the subject at hand, Cali is right though, some us more immature folk can't seem to help ourselves sometimes.

          My apology at least if my comments are a bit silly and detract away from any serious discussion.

          (That's genuine too, not sarcasm which is something else I'm guilty of too much of the time)
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        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Please forgive us our sins as we forgive those that ignore the politics and religion rule.
        Richard, my post wasn't meant to be derogatory towards the silliness in this forum at all (my apologies if my comment seemed condescending in any way). I've only recently started spending time here in the OT forum (the Main Discussion forum is pretty blah these days), and I've had a lot of good laughs! So, I'm not complaining. Besides, I'm guilty as well. It's good to laugh and have fun at times, as life is serious enough.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

          Richard, my post wasn't meant to be derogatory towards the silliness in this forum at all (my apologies if my comment seemed condescending in any way). I've only recently started spending time here in the OT forum (the Main Discussion forum is pretty blah these days), and I've had a lot of good laughs! So, I'm not complaining. Besides, I'm guilty as well. It's good to laugh and have fun at times, as life is serious enough.
          I know Cali, I like you. It wasn't said in a condescending way at all and besides, you have got a point especially when it gets out of hand.

          That's always Claudes fault though. Everything is Claudes fault.

          He knows quantum physics.
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            • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
              The same stuff just goes on.

              I'm out of the Claude forum and letting it be..
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              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                The same stuff just goes on.

                I'm out of the Claude forum and letting it be..
                You know, Dan, if l and others try to rationally discuss this, then the inevitable, trash it at all costs, or make it silly will result!

                If someone who doesn't believe in this, will fight their point of view to the death, then it isn't much fun!


                Or someone who doesn't believe in this, says that l or someone else is delusional, then it gets personal!


                Bottom line is, something like this even with virtually impossible to dismiss evidence, will create fierce rebuttal.


                I come here to have a laugh and inject some of my views when l can without the usual crap.

                Or l have pretty much given up on conducting an in depth conversation here, on subjects like this, as it all-ways gets ugly or silly!

                I prefer silly, at least l can get a few laughs.

                But we will be the ones laughing eventually!


                Besides, l have inadvertently opened the portel of hell, so have to keep on my feet to see what Claude comes up with?

                Probably a video deep frying fluffy bunnies! Sniff!


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                • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  If someone who doesn't believe in this, will fight their point of view to the death, then it isn't much fun!

                  Bottom line is, something like this even with virtually impossible to dismiss evidence, will create fierce rebuttal.
                  But Shane what is the difference between person A who doesn't believe it arguing to the death and person B who does believe it, arguing to the death?

                  Same thing, you just both have different beliefs and with respect, and I mean that because I like you and I choose not to let people know my beliefs as it's none of their business (so I could be person A or B), no-one in 38 years on this Earth, especially on this forum, has ever shown me any impossible to dismiss evidence of demonic forces, heaven, or anything else.

                  Not saying they don't exist, just no impossible to dismiss evidence.

                  If their was, there would never be any discussions on it. Again, not being horrible to you or arguing, just stating what I've seen and everyone has the right to believe or not believe, because that's what it is, a belief.
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                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

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                  I'm deleting my post. Closing the thread wasn't my intention.
                  It's inevitable anyway. While I typically agree with Daniel, I don't see how a serious discussion of this topic can be had with a "no religion" policy.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                    Ok, now that that has been said, does anyone else want pie before the thread is closed?
                    I'm deleting my post. Closing the thread wasn't my intention.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Rick Rodd
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      I'm deleting my post. Closing the thread wasn't my intention.
                      Claude, you've done your best to steer this VERY religious topic (or political, for some), yet others failed to see that. For me this discussion is whimsical at best. Like, do you believe in ghosts, the boogeyman, or the tooth fairy. I say let the masses pour out their opinions. Just not have some incantations to call out Ctulhu or summon the gates of heaven for divine retribution.

                      Carry on, guys. Nothing to see here.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                      Daniel;

                      It's impossible to talk about demonic forces without talking about religion. It's like saying, "I want to talk about pie, but not about food".

                      Demonic forces only exist in the context of a religious discussion. Have you ever heard an atheist say "I don't have any religious beliefs..but I fear demonic forces"?
                      It isn't impossible. It's subjective of the term.

                      An "atheist" by definition is a person who disbelieves in the existence of an omnipotent being or the plural of that.

                      As I've already mentioned (as others had touched upon too) I suggested that the supposed "demon" is not a "being" but a part of the mind and thus, not bearing any relation to religion, but dualism of the human mind, yet the discussion couldn't even evolve on that basis alone for the usual interjection by those who don't wish to reenforce the rules on religion, but their own position as the disbelieving ridiculer who should surely instead just move on.

                      I'm not sure how serious I can be myself talking of the subject of "demons" or a forum in general, but it goes beyond that into a general principle of not being able to hold a discussion which I think warrants mention, especially if people who are interested are taking time to chip in.

                      There's a lot of comments relating to the usual repetitive content "upstairs" but it's becoming more of a broken record "down here" when potentially interesting topics are concluding with the same monotonous non-relevant exchanges.

                      Closing threads might not be your intention but they are often your voiced anticipation (second post if you are lucky) which inevitably sets the cogs of destruction into roll.

                      Your seriousness though was appreciated.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                          Claude, in answer to your post (now gone): I addressed the element of religion I assumed the OP was referring to and then I streered the topic away from religion myself into the psychological aspect of the split mind.

                          Originally Posted by Rick Rodd View Post

                          Claude, you've done your best to steer this VERY religious topic.

                          Carry on, guys. Nothing to see here.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                        Closing threads might not be your intention but they are often your voiced anticipation (second post if you are lucky) which inevitably sets the cogs of destruction into roll.
                        I disagree. Do you honestly think that if I just shut up, that all the other posts, would be far more intelligent, and they wouldn't degrade into lunacy? And the threads would have stayed open?

                        Is that what happened before I was here? Do you know of any thread, that has a supernatural subject....that was closed, because of something I said?

                        Do you think my not talking about religion is what got the threads closed?

                        You're an intelligent and fair guy. You should rethink what you said.

                        You hurt my feelings. I expect a "Get Well" card....and a cake....and maybe a back massage.


                        added a tad later; I want to apologize for deleting my last post. I have the habit of posting, and then editing what I said, after it's posted. And sometimes, I just delete the whole post. It's not fair to others, and I'll create posts on a clipboard and then post them after editing.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          I disagree. Do you honestly think that if I just shut up, that all the other posts, would be far more intelligent, and they wouldn't degrade into lunacy? And the threads would have stayed open?

                          Is that what happened before I was here? Do you know of any thread, that has a supernatural subject....that was closed, because of something I said?

                          Do you think my not talking about religion is what got the threads closed?

                          You're an intelligent and fair guy. You should rethink what you said.

                          You hurt my feelings. I expect a "Get Well" card....and a cake....and maybe a back massage.


                          added a tad later; I want to apologize for deleting my last post. I have the habit of posting, and then editing what I said, after it's posted. And sometimes, I just delete the whole post. It's not fair to others, and I'll create posts on a clipboard and then post them after editing.

                          If you believe that a post of that kind is without consequence then it stands as functionless and unnecessary and so begs your motive.

                          I didn't suggest you made threads close. I suggested your contribution predicts veering off and so people will ensure the prophecy is fulfilled true every similar instance previous.

                          My eagerness to massage has been overshadowed by my disheartenment of you focusing only on my closing line....
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                        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                          But Shane what is the difference between person A who doesn't believe it arguing to the death and person B who does believe it, arguing to the death?

                          Same thing, you just both have different beliefs and with respect, and I mean that because I like you and I choose not to let people know my beliefs as it's none of their business (so I could be person A or B), no-one in 38 years on this Earth, especially on this forum, has ever shown me any impossible to dismiss evidence of demonic forces, heaven, or anything else.

                          Not saying they don't exist, just no impossible to dismiss evidence.

                          If their was, there would never be any discussions on it. Again, not being horrible to you or arguing, just stating what I've seen and everyone has the right to believe or not believe, because that's what it is, a belief.
                          Hi, Richard, didn't realize you were still on the WF! Skulking behind a new Avatar image, huh!

                          Because person A, will go into psychotic territory, and person B wont!

                          As for evidence, if l say that l definitely saw a ghost, then the conversation would go down the inevitable, you are either nuts or a liar! Not, gee, he has been on this forum for years with good standing, maybe l should talk to him about it????

                          Someone who doesn't believe, won't believe no matter what l say or do. And will refuse to open themselves up to experiencing weird stuff, that could change their minds.

                          That is why l and others don't bother anymore, we know no matter what we say or do, the conversation will be one way!

                          As l said no fun!


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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post


                        Closing threads might not be your intention but they are often your voiced anticipation (second post if you are lucky) which inevitably sets the cogs of destruction into roll.

                        Your seriousness though was appreciated.
                        Hey Daniel! Notice how I didn't say anything (OK, one harmless post) in the Body Cameras for Police thread? It still went off the rails. Arguments for the sake of arguing. It ain't me, Buckaroo.
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      To each his/her own. If you truly believe in something, then for you it is real.
      You don't have to believe in The Devil.
      The Devil believes in you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      I hate it when mommy and daddy fight.
      No. Another illustration the shows that it's impossible to discuss a subject like this dispassionately. No matter how we phrase it. No matter how much we take the position "We aren't fighting". No matter how clever we try to be.

      It's deeply visceral.


      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

      If you believe that a post of that kind is without consequence then it stands as functionless and unnecessary and so begs your motive.
      You mean posts have to have a function? They have to be necessary? When did that rule start?

      Next, you'll suggest that they have to be sane. And then, where will we be?

      My motive here is to entertain myself. And on very rare occasion, share an idea. You?


      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

      I didn't suggest you made threads close. I suggested your contribution predicts veering off and so people will ensure the prophecy is fulfilled true every similar instance previous.
      Are you being serious? You think that I have the power...with a comment..to cause people to think in a different way? To say something that they wouldn't normally say? I appreciate the compliment, but I do not possess such an ability.

      Do you think that if I predicted that every post would make sense, and we would stay on topic...that I could cause that? I think I'll try that, and we'll see.

      But if you mean that I start insulting Riffle (and a few others) and they start insulting me...for the enjoyment and fun of it........guilty.

      Daniel; You want to know something? If we were in a real life social situation. I truly believe that we would become friends. Nearly all my friends share your beliefs. And your political stances. I just steer clear of those discussions.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        You mean posts have to have a function? They have to be necessary? When did that rule start?

        My motive here is to entertain myself. You?
        I said posts without function beg motive, yet you've graced us with yours.

        In your motivation for entertainment, "Myself" is perhaps the keyword to heed, as there are "Themselves" to consider too:

        Picture your head (a common occurrence) chewing its popcorn loudly, shifting around disapprovingly and emanating unnecessary noises of critique, boisterously perched infront of an enthusiastic member of the audience and a movie screen. Now, your friends abreast think you are great. They adorn you for your actions, however the person behind is having an entirely different experience.

        My motive?

        ...to convince you to avoid the movies.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

          I said posts without function beg motive, yet you've graced us with yours.

          In your motivation for entertainment, "Myself" is perhaps the keyword to heed, as there are "Themselves" to consider too:

          Picture your head (a common occurrence) chewing its popcorn loudly, shifting around disapprovingly and emanating unnecessary noises of critique, boisterously perched infront of an enthusiastic member of the audience and a movie screen. Now, your friends abreast think you are great. They adorn you for your actions, however the person behind is having an entirely different experience.

          My motive?

          ...to convince you to avoid the movies.
          Now THAT was a good analogy. Point taken.

          Do you mean you want me to leave the forum?

          But here is how I see it. I'm in the movie. So are the people I trade jokes with. It's a comedy. It has to be a comedy, because the premise is ridiculous. And so all the actors are having fun.

          But my motive isn't for you to leave the theater. My motive is for you to enjoy the movie. In fact, if you want to be in the movie too...that just makes it more fun for us all.

          I said I was here to entertain myself, because that's accurate. But it doesn't mean I want to ruin your experience. In some threads, where the subject is more serious...I'm more serious. I think the difference is...you think this is a serious subject, and I don't.

          But......that just means that the subject is more important to you than it is to me, and I should respect that.

          Damn, Man...that was a good post.
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          • Profile picture of the author Rick Rodd
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Now THAT was a good analogy. Point taken.

            Do you mean you want me to leave the forum?

            But here is how I see it. I'm in the movie. So are the people I trade jokes with. It's a comedy. It has to be a comedy, because the premise is ridiculous. And so all the actors are having fun.

            But my motive isn't for you to leave the theater. My motive is for you to enjoy the movie. In fact, if you want to be in the movie too...that just makes it more fun for us all.

            I said I was here to entertain myself, because that's accurate. But it doesn't mean I want to ruin your experience. In some threads, where the subject is more serious...I'm more serious. I think the difference is...you think this is a serious subject, and I don't.

            But......that just means that the subject is more important to you than it is to me, and I should respect that.

            Damn, Man...that was a good post.
            Could you guys, keep it quiet there... I'm trying to watch this movie/thread...
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          • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
            Do you mean you want me to leave the forum?
            I wouldn't even wish another malfunctioning computer upon you.

            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I said I was here to entertain myself, because that's accurate. But it doesn't mean I want to ruin your experience. In some threads, where the subject is more serious...I'm more serious. I think the difference is...you think this is a serious subject, and I don't.
            Understood and agreed on that .
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            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            But Shane what is the difference between person A who doesn't believe it arguing to the death and person B who does believe it, arguing to the death?
            No difference if the point of the thread was to win converts. That's not always the case though.

            Sometimes one group doesn't want to argue about the existence of a thing, but want to discuss the thing itself because they are already convinced of the thing's existence. The group that doesn't believe in the thing doesn't let them have that discussion, but rather than starting their own thread to discredit the thing, they turn the discussion in a different direction.

            Individually, the first group will interpret that in different ways, including as a lack of respect.
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            • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
              Good grief!

              We are doing to ourselves what the spammers could not do, that is render the Off-Topic Forum virtually worthless.

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              • Profile picture of the author Cali16
                Well, here's an idea... Maybe we could have a "lighthearted and silly" Off Topic forum, and a "serious discussion, anything goes (including religion and politics)" Off Topic forum. I enjoy those types of discussions, as long as people don't start getting too out of hand.
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                • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                  I have put a lot of effort into previous threads like this and got some good observations and discussions out of them along with the comedy and re-buffs which I can choose to ignore. It's a public forum, people can say what they like up to a point where the mods will step in. I have to accept that. I am also guilty of leading threads astray as well.

                  So what do I think about demons.

                  I struggle with the concept of good and evil for a start, due to the fact I have had some unexplainable glimpses and experiences in the past that have led me to conclude that their is a strong possibility (to my mind) that we all survive the death of the body and last forever. As far as deities, supreme beings are concerned I'm not even going there.

                  So, I also conclude that their is no good and evil as people here see it because "here" is just a stage of occupancy. It's like we are in a film, no one really gets hurt, it's an illusion of EXPERIENCE. While here though we get into it and go along with the illusion of it all but ultimately we are always safe and secure, unbreakable. While we go through the body suffering from perceived evil doing we chose to have the possibility of that experience, we are always in control of what we choose.

                  If you want less of it, while here, if you live in the ghetto, move out, get as far away from others and the experiences of human interaction as you can. But that's not the point of you being here is it. You chose to experience the perceived good and bad experiences of the film your in, the roller-coaster ride.

                  Then we come to demons. By consensus the whole human race spread across the globe has uniformly reported elemental beings like fairies, pixies, elves, goatiedwarfs and a whole raft of creatures. They may have given them different names but have depicted them, drawn and painted them since time immemorial. People spread widely across the planet who never got to meet have seen the same things.

                  If I entertain life after death then I must also accept the possibility of multipule dimensions or states of being to occupy. Also other creatures.

                  So demons are just other creatures are close to our levels of occupancy (like the elementals) They may be somewhat aware of our beliefs and have allowed themselves to be affected by them. They hang about looking for ways in to our realm which is not their true nature and the best way to experience it is to occupy or semi occupy or share our bodies.

                  Now much of the experiences of possessions recorded are now known to be just split or multiple personalities of bio-mechanical malfunctions or abnormalities of our brains.

                  A small percentage however are well documented, some recent cases have been filmed. The ones where their are physical effects, things flying across the room, people being attacked coldness and other manifestations leading up to and during the exorcism are of course the most compelling ones. People who have been perfectly normal suddenly have these dramatic personality changes.

                  The interesting thing is this, after the exorcism is over, if it has worked people are immediately returned to normal and do not return to that state. This must rule out ongoing bio-mechanical abnormalities.

                  So what of the exorcism itself, several hundred years ago their was a fight (almost) between Catholic and Protestant methods. It was centered mostly on one case. (cant remember the name of the person) The Catholic methods won out and because of that the Protestant church largely bowed out from doing it.

                  Now, how about the religious fervor that goes on, the constant naming of the deities the priests are representing, it seems to affect the person who they are exorcising probably depending on their own level of belief as well as the being itself. The being often says he is the devil and is affected by the priests naming of names consistant with their beliefs like it is afraid of them.

                  It is my opinion that it is just down to the strength of will and resolve of the human being possessed and the strength of will of the priests doing the exorcism, re-inforced by firm belief in deities, although only a prop, it does the trick. The demon or whatever you want to call it is just a being that wants to be a part of the human world for it's own ends but ultimately it does not belong there, it's not its natural state. So, it can be driven out.

                  All this is me speculating and rationalizing what I think it is and how it works, based on what I know and believe and thus to me is a sort of logical although intangible exercise.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

                Good grief!

                We are doing to ourselves what the spammers could not do, that is render the Off-Topic Forum virtually worthless.

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                Joe; That can be taken a couple of different ways. Do you mean "worthless" because I (and several others) keep derailing threads with our outrageously brilliant banter...or "worthless" because we can't express what we really think?

                And be careful. You are being judged.


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                Is it safe to come out of hiding from behind the couch?
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                Terra; I'm not precisely sure why...but that photo is perhaps the most disturbing photo I've seen in years. Be honest. Are you trying to kill me?
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                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


                  Terra; I'm not precisely sure why...but that photo is perhaps the most disturbing photo I've seen in years. Be honest. Are you trying to kill me?
                  Only if you try to get me out from behind it.


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      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      I hate it when mommy and daddy fight.

      Is it safe to come out of hiding from behind the couch?






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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Rodd
    (speaking in character of 80's horror flicks) I believe this is what the devil wants... for us to bicker over the off-topic forum with such kind of posts. avenueactiv succeeded, look at her (or his) profile picture's evil grin. Can't you see?! We let evil win! Let's regroup and fight another day!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Rodd
    Deliver us from Evil starring Eric Bana prompted this thread. I haven't seen the movie, but with all this talk it became more tempting all of a sudden.
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    Those interested in the possibility that demonic forces/dark ETs have been influencing the planet for thousands of years should do a search for the term "archons." It goes back to Gnosticism.

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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Yes, l do believe in demonic forces a lot more this week, or how some individuals will do virtually anything to screw some money out of someone else!

      Doesn't matter if it leaves the individual heartbroken or destitute, just as long as this creature can buy some more designer shoes, or handbags!


      Anik, apparently had one in particular who was crazy about the dollar signs. Or would screw anyone and anything in order to have a few more zeros on his bank account!

      He was young, talented, etc, just naive, and a bit screwed up!


      Good to know even the best of us, can succumb to this sort of trash!
      Well, not good to know, but for me once bitten!


      So after having spoken to the lowest form of life on this planet for the last few weeks, and being screwed for more money than l will mention here, l believe that l have a first hand account of demonic forces at work!

      They might be very devious, but are still screwed up!

      And tend to cover all bases so well, it is hard to see any inconsistencies until they have screwed you, in a financial scene.

      I even considered doing some research into which hospital in Vic, au, she was supposedly working at!

      I realized that my only reference was the park she walked through, and of course, there were half a dozen hospitals around this park!

      Most with virtually the same name!

      As l said, l was dealing with a professional scammer!

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  • Profile picture of the author singerdg1
    I can say for sure that demons are real. I actually tried to cast it out of a woman years ago. Her family stopped me. But they admitted that the demon was inside of her and was very powerful. What made me think that I could do anything?
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
        Perhaps a re-visit to post #32 is in order.

        Just saying.

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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

          Perhaps a re-visit to post #32 is in order.

          Just saying.

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          Well, it seems to have gotten one post closer.

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    • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Why not just find a man, have some babies, live your life. Instead of stirring up shit that might or might not be true.

      Somehow you took the wrong branch off on your journey of life, dude.


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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Instead of stirring up shit...
      Maybe you should stop "stirring up sh*t" as well. Or at least think before you post, which I realize may be an entirely new concept for you...
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Why not just find a man, have some babies, live your life. Instead of stirring up shit that might or might not be true.
      Is not "stirring up spit" still living your life?

      And speaking of that, why is it OK for you to stir up spit but not the OP?
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        I never wanted to be a fighter of Dark Forces.
        I tried and tried to avoid it. I tossed it off as a fantasy, a game I played when I was a young boy. As an adult, the feeling never left me...but grew stronger.

        I fought it for years, with wine, and vows, and the weight of age. And then one stormy night, it was lightening..and I could read the lightening. It called to me that it was time to fulfill my destiny. And destiny never calls us at a time of our convenience.

        My voice was weak, I gave in. I jumped from my window and began my war against evil. The rain was relentless..the downpour pounding on me was a baptism...I was born again.

        If I were a stronger man, I could fight it. But I don't wage my war on evil, because I want to. I do it because I am compelled to. Because I know what is coming. I've seen it.

        People, there is a scourge on this planet. They hide in the darkness. We deny they exist, and that is their greatest weapon. Feeding on our apathy, bathing in our sorrow. Dining on our greed and selfishness.

        I just want every demon of the underworld to know...I Exist, and I'm not alone.

        To the minions of the night, I am the first to start this war. Many will follow. Many will die, but the light of day will win in the end.

        And soon, the creatures of the night will cower at the thing that they have created, when they took Claude Whitacre, small business owner, and turned him into the creature that is no longer a man...forged in the fire of the will.... a being of Chill Genius...a mechanism of Whipcord and Flame...an unstoppable machine of vengeance......

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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          People, there is a scourge on this planet.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I never wanted to be a fighter of Dark Forces.
          I tried and tried to avoid it. I tossed it off as a fantasy, a game I played when I was a young boy. As an adult, the feeling never left me...but grew stronger.

          I fought it for years, with wine, and vows, and the weight of age. And then one stormy night, it was lightening..and I could read the lightening. It called to me that it was time to fulfill my destiny. And destiny never calls us at a time of our convenience.

          My voice was weak, I gave in. I jumped from my window and began my war against evil. The rain was relentless..the downpour pounding on me was a baptism...I was born again.

          If I were a stronger man, I could fight it. But I don't wage my war on evil, because I want to. I do it because I am compelled to. Because I know what is coming. I've seen it.

          People, there is a scourge on this planet. They hide in the darkness. We deny they exist, and that is their greatest weapon. Feeding on our apathy, bathing in our sorrow. Dining on our greed and selfishness.

          I just want every demon of the underworld to know...I Exist, and I'm not alone.

          To the minions of the night, I am the first to start this war. Many will follow. Many will die, but the light of day will win in the end.

          And soon, the creatures of the night will cower at the thing that they have created, when they took Claude Whitacre, small business owner, and turned him into the creature that is no longer a man...forged in the fire of the will.... a being of Chill Genius...a mechanism of Whipcord and Flame...an unstoppable machine of vengeance......

          Claude Whitacre...Demon Hunter.
          Thank you for this revised draft Mr Whitacre, but I'm afraid it still won't fit on the business card.

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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        To everyone else.... I'm sorry, I just found this post to be incredibly funny. I don't see how it could anger anyone. It's just funny.

        WalkingCarpet forgot to tell you to stay in the kitchen...and bring us a beer...and a sandwich when we want one.

        If we were all in a live group, and he said it out loud, I'd spit out my drink and laugh for a solid minute...just like I did here. And remember, he's saying this without a shirt on.

        I just wish there was a way to say "We know" after his post.

        I thanked his post...because it made my day.
        Yeah, hilarious. Can't believe someone didn't make sure the gate at the zoo was locked.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Cali,

          Ask Steven Wagenheim how easy it was for me to turn a thread he started years ago about ants into a religious discussion.

          Rick,

          This is the "Inane Whimsy" section. "Making Sense" is thataway ---->

          Joe,

          You need to invoke St Dogbert for that. He's purged the demons of stupidity from many an otherwise righteous business suit.


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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        To everyone else.... I'm sorry, I just found this post to be incredibly funny. I don't see how it could anger anyone. It's just funny.
        I must admit I laughed as well. We were laughing AT what he said, rather than with what he said though.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          I must admit I laughed as well. We were laughing AT what he said, rather than with what he said though.
          True. But here is something to think about. His post was funny, because it was outrageous, and something that took us by surprise. But.....

          It wasn't insane, or incomprehensible. At least his thoughts are understandable. He's still at the stage where I feel OK with laughing at something he said. There are others, that I won't tease, because I think their problems run much deeper...or because they are mean spirited.

          I believe Mr. Walking Carpet thinks like a Troglodyte. but it's a sane Troglodyte....and he hasn't shown himself to be mean.
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          • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            True. But here is something to think about. His post was funny, because it was outrageous, and something that took us by surprise. But.....

            It wasn't insane, or incomprehensible. At least his thoughts are understandable. He's still at the stage where I feel OK with laughing at something he said. There are others, that I won't tease, because I think their problems run much deeper...or because they are mean spirited.

            I believe Mr. Walking Carpet thinks like a Troglodyte. but it's a sane Troglodyte....and he hasn't shown himself to be mean.
            I take WC's posts with a large grain of salt. I think he's just playing a character like a Rambo, or Terminator,
            and the "We want to pump you up" guys on SNL. I am, however, not a woman and do not play one anywhere.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

              I take WC's posts with a large grain of salt. I think he's just playing a character like a Rambo, or Terminator,
              and the "We want to pump you up" guys on SNL. I am, however, not a woman and do not play one anywhere.
              That's an interesting take on it. And I wonder which way would be funnier...if someone is really like that, or they are just playing a character for fun?
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              • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                That's an interesting take on it. And I wonder which way would be funnier...if someone is really like that, or they are just playing a character for fun?
                I'm going for, he doesn't know either!

                Just to be fair, I laughed as well. It sounded like "GIT TO FIXIN' MY DINNER, WOMAN".
                "I'm almost done cleanin' the stalls and feedin' the critters sir!"

                Well, that's the way it is around here...

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                • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
                  Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

                  I'm going for, he doesn't know either!

                  Just to be fair, I laughed as well. It sounded like "GIT TO FIXIN' MY DINNER, WOMAN".
                  "I'm almost done cleanin' the stalls and feedin' the critters sir!"

                  Well, that's the way it is around here...

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                  Exactly.

                  I've been in work environments where co-workers jokingly say "Yes, sir" and "Yes, m'am"
                  to each other. I once tried that in the same vein with my Dad's second or third wife. Maybe
                  I did not say it with the right inflection, but they were both seriously horrified and acted like
                  I was from another planet. "Why did you call me that?"

                  Or, friendly joking about the differences between men and women amongst men and women.
                  I still remember one such 'argument' in high school. In the midst of it, my female friend stated
                  in a half bragging and half joking way, "Well, women do have better looking bodies." It was a
                  Harvey Korman/TimConway/Carol Burnett show like break down for me. I had no comeback
                  whatsoever and all I could do was laugh.
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                  • Profile picture of the author discrat
                    Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                    Exactly.

                    I've been in work environments where co-workers jokingly say "Yes, sir" and "Yes, m'am"
                    to each other. I once tried that in the same vein with my Dad's second or third wife. Maybe
                    I did not say it with the right inflection, but they were both seriously horrified and acted like
                    I was from another planet. "Why did you call me that?"
                    In Texas ( and especially in Tennessee where I am originally from) many people are horrified and act like you are from another planet if DON"T reply like this (around here it is a respectable way to reply to peeps particularly your elders)
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                    • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
                      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                      In Texas ( and especially in Tennessee where I am originally from) many people are horrified and act like you are from another planet if DON"T reply like this (around here it is a respectable way to reply to peeps particularly your elders)
                      I'm out of thanks again. I have customers who ask me for the military discount for their lodging stay.
                      Sometimes I say I already gave it to you because you've been calling me "Sir" the whole time.
                      Brings a good laugh.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Why not just find a man, have some babies, live your life. .
      Not the best pickup line but you put yourself out there as a candidate even if she didn't realize it. Can't fault a brother for trying- a picture with a ring in your hand down on one knee would have made it gone over better. Its just the little touches that matter. context is everything
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Why not just find a man, have some babies, live your life. Instead of stirring up shit that might or might not be true.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Why not just find a man, have some babies, live your life. Instead of stirring up shit that might or might not be true.

      Well, you don't know what you can find
      Why not just find a man
      On a walking carpet ride
      You don't know what you can see
      Why don't you have your babies to me
      Childbirth will set you free
      Close your mind girl
      Live your life girl
      Instead of stirring up sh*t
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    Oh hey - speaking of demonic forces...........

    Hi Dennis, 'Sup?
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    If demons DON'T exist, we don't need any demons! The question becomes MOOT! It is like asking if someone believes that a persons touch can melt ice. The answer of course is YES, but it doesn't make any difference because, most of the time, the ambient temperature is well above the melting point.

    SERIOUSLY, what could a demon do to a particular person that so many haven't yet done? We have even had EVERY one of the plagues of eqypt, or similar things, happen because of a particular person, ON PURPOSE!!!

    Someone today asked, on a radio program, if the idea of "stealing souls" could be a mistranslation of the idea of stealing ones ID through info or other papers. I don't believe I have ever heard of the idea of STEALING a soul, being in the judeo/Christian faith, and think that idea is LUDICROUS, but it gives you the idea of how things have changed.

    Judeo/Christian religions speak of the idea of CHANGING, or overriding a persons soul, and THAT is what is called a demon. The persons soul is STILL there, even if the law actually says that they are to be treated as if it ISN'T("By mental disease or defect")? WHATEVER the vector, the effect can and DOES happen! Is it sickness? Injury? Malnutrition? Upbringing? Coercion? Severe "need"? Drugs? Environment? OTHER(AKA, in religious terms, a DEMON)? WHO KNOWS? DOES IT MATTER?

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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    I pretty sure we had one running our country a few years back, and his wife is just as bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    I say sir and ma'am all the time. Especially to people who're at work. I don't care if you're a 16 year old kid, if you're working, you're "Sir" or "Ma'am."

    If I'm in line at a grocery store and there's a woman behind me, I almost always let them cut ahead. Unless they have kids, in which case I always do, even if I've got a can of coffee and they've got 3 weeks of groceries in their cart. It still surprises me the difference those little things make to people.

    Lady asked me why recently. I told her, "If I made a woman with kids stand in line behind me and my Dad saw it, he'd boot me so hard I wouldn't come down till next Tuesday. It'd be Thursday before I stopped bouncing."

    I can be a sumbeach if I think someone deserves it, but with random strangers? No way. No excuse for it.

    Little stuff like that can make someone's day, and it doesn't cost a thing.


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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      I say sir and ma'am all the time. Especially to people who're at work. I don't care if you're a 16 year old kid, if you're working, you're "Sir" or "Ma'am."

      If I'm in line at a grocery store and there's a woman behind me, I almost always let them cut ahead. Unless they have kids, in which I always do, even if I've got a can of coffee and they've got 3 weeks of groceries in their cart. It still surprises me the difference those little things make to people.

      Lady asked me why recently. I told her, "If I made a woman with kids stand in line behind me and my Dad saw it, he'd boot me so hard I wouldn't come down till next Tuesday. It'd be Thursday before I stopped bouncing."

      I can be a sumbeach if I think someone deserves it, but with random strangers? No way. No excuse for it.

      Little stuff like that can make someone's day, and it doesn't cost a thing.


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      A friend of mine asked me how to determine if a person is a good person or bad. I told him that the best way, is to watch how they treat others, when they have nothing to gain.

      I hope to meet you some day.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        A friend of mine asked me how to determine if a person is a good person or bad. I told him that the best way, is to watch how they treat others, when they have nothing to gain.

        I hope to meet you some day.
        I agree. Better yet I was always taught growing up to see how the girl I was dating treated the waiter/waitress.

        Seriously, it really tells a lot
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Robert,
          I was always taught growing up to see how the girl I was dating treated the waiter/waitress.
          Best. Flag. Ever.

          I forget who said it, but I heard a quote years ago that stuck with me. "It doesn't matter how well someone treats you. If they're rude to the waitress, they're not a nice person."


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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          I agree. Better yet I was always taught growing up to see how the girl I was dating treated the waiter/waitress.

          Seriously, it really tells a lot
          My dad always told me if you wanted to know what a person is really like, play a one on one competitive sport or game that you excel in with them.

          That always worked for me.


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        • Profile picture of the author Cali16
          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          I agree. Better yet I was always taught growing up to see how the girl I was dating treated the waiter/waitress.

          Seriously, it really tells a lot
          That's so true, with guys as well. But what's even more revealing is how they treat waiters/waitresses (and anyone in positions that aren't considered "prestigious") after you've gone out with them for a while. The first few dates they're usually on their best behavior in an attempt to impress. But a few dates down the road, their true colors will inevitably start to surface.
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          • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
            Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

            That's so true, with guys as well. But what's even more revealing is how they treat waiters/waitresses (and anyone in positions that aren't considered "prestigious") after you've gone out with them for a while. The first few dates they're usually on their best behavior in an attempt to impress. But a few dates down the road, their true colors will inevitably start to surface.
            I used to give old people a pass until I realized they are not all like my Grandparents.
            If they were a jerk or worse in their 20's, they're probably still a jerk or worse in their old age
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          A friend of mine asked me how to determine if a person is a good person or bad. I told him that the best way, is to watch how they treat others, when they have nothing to gain.

          I hope to meet you some day.
          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          I agree. Better yet I was always taught growing up to see how the girl I was dating treated the waiter/waitress.

          Seriously, it really tells a lot

          And the #1 test of a man or woman's true character?
          Give them (a lot of) money.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

            And the #1 test of a man or woman's true character?
            Give them (a lot of) money.
            Quick, someone test me!!
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            • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              I always open the door for my demons.
              Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

              Quick, someone test me!!
              Maybe these are related posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    It makes me very uncomfortable to be called ma'am. It's also uncomfortable to me, though, to be called Ms Taylor. Not sure if anyone else feels like that or if it's just me. I remember the first time someone called me ma'am to my face. It stunned me. I literally just froze and stared at them. I didn't know how to react. Up to that day, I'd been called "miss" fairly frequently - but being called "ma'am", to me, was my first signal of age setting in.

    Not sure if that reaction is because I've been raised in a "first name basis" part of society or what. I was a country club kid where the judges and lawyers, colonels and generals, doctors, and all other social "brass" were all Jerry, Tom, Harry, Scot, etc. To go into formality from that is hard for me. To have someone express formality toward me is just uncomfortable.

    Paul - that's integrity. You would not believe how the men out here will trample a woman to get a parking spot, place in line, etc ahead of them. It disgusts me. Even the women out here have more courtesy than that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      It's also uncomfortable to me, though, to be called Ms Taylor. Not sure if anyone else feels like that or if it's just me
      I'm not a fan of being called "Ms. Taylor" either.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cali16
        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        I'm not a fan of being called "Ms. Taylor" either.
        Will be sure to remember that, Ms. Riffle.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        I'm not a fan of being called "Ms. Taylor" either.
        True. I prefer "Aunt Bea."
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          True. I prefer "Aunt Bea."
          My website member's kids call me Aunt Sal when we're on meet ups.
          I like that. Real well.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        I'm not a fan of being called "Ms. Taylor" either.

        Then stop wearing the dress in public.
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        • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Then stop wearing the dress in public.
          Doesn't matter. Cali16 is still going to call him Ms. Riffle.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Then stop wearing the dress in public.
          I thought he was more of a yoga pants type of person.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

            I thought he was more of a yoga pants type of person.

            I only wear yoga pants when I'm doing yoga. Thus, I've never worn yoga pants.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              I only where yoga pants when I'm doing yoga. Thus, I've never worn yoga pants.
              Yoga is great Dan or may I call you Ms Taylor.

              About 4 years ago I decided it was time to to get back into shape and hopefully fix some back problem I was having. I hit the weights for 3 years and it helped my back somewhat. Weight training can give you some good stretches.

              It wasn't until I started doing some yoga stretches that my back felt fantastic. It was immediate.

              I also found it pretty good for strength. Keeping those poses really hit my muscles in a different way compared to weight training.

              Now, if I can just figure out a way to keep the yoga pants from riding my ass, well, that problem is for another thread.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                Now, if I can just figure out a way to keep the yoga pants from riding my ass, well, that problem
                Especially for the person right behind you.


                If I'm being honest, I do practice yoga, but I prefer very loose shorts over yoga pants. Let's the boys breathe.
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                • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                  Especially for the person right behind you.
                  Only depends on what I eat the day before.

                  I don't take classes, I just do the stretches at home.

                  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                  If I'm being honest, I do practice yoga, but I prefer very loose shorts over yoga pants. Let's the boys breathe.
                  Same here unless I am in a nude yoga sort of mood.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                    Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post


                    I don't take classes, I just do the stretches at home.
                    In that case, no big deal. Claude probably likes the view.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                  Especially for the person right behind you.


                  If I'm being honest, I do practice yoga, but I prefer very loose shorts over yoga pants. Let's the boys breathe.
                  I find it distasteful that you call your inflamed hemorrhoids "The boys".

                  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                  In that case, no big deal. Claude probably likes the view.
                  The view was OK, but I thought the price you charged for the DVD was ridiculous. I'm tired of hearing "I had to sit in that darn tree for 6 hours, to get the best view through the window" from you.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              I only wear yoga pants when I'm doing yoga. Thus, I've never worn yoga pants.
              I'm guessing you've never worn sweat pants then.
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            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

            I thought he was more of a yoga pants type of person.
            MS Taylor is more of a Yoda pants type.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Claude,

    I'm not sure I'd buy that. I know a lot of people who're nice to strangers and aren't nice people at all. They just act nice because they think it makes them look good.

    Sort of like when a lady once told me you could judge a person by what they love. I told her she was nuts.

    Everybody will tell you they love Mom and puppies and the Grand Old Flag. If you want to know what someone is about, watch what they hate. Watch for those looks of anger or disgust that come up even when they don't think anyone notices.

    Way more accurate clues.


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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Claude,

      I'm not sure I'd buy that. I know a lot of people who're nice to strangers and aren't nice people at all. They just act nice because they think it makes them look good.

      Sort of like when a lady once told me you could judge a person by what they love. I told her she was nuts.

      Everybody will tell you they love Mom and puppies and the Grand Old Flag. If you want to know what someone is about, watch what they hate. Watch for those looks of anger or disgust that come up even when they don't think anyone notices.

      Way more accurate clues.


      Paul
      ....or it's just easier. Deep down, I'm not an empathetic person, but I'm always kind, always polite (except around friends...or Riffle). To me, meanness is weakness.

      Judge a person by what they love? That makes no sense at all. Jeffrey Dahmer probably loved kittens. Ted Bundy loved music. Riffle loves pastry. So?

      I think Lincoln said something like "If you want to test a man's character, don't give him adversity, give him power". And I think that makes sense.

      And, just so you know...I judge people by how much they blindly agree with me.
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    Sal,

    That's not integrity. It's just good manners. Look around, you'll see plenty of people who have one and not the other, in both directions.


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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Sal,

      That's not integrity. It's just good manners. Look around, you'll see plenty of people who have one and not the other, in both directions.


      Paul
      Okay = wrong word maybe. However, this week I patently waited for a car to pull out of a parking space, and some guy almost hit me rushing to take it away from me - so I parked all the way in the back of the lot and hiked into the store in the rain. In the store a guy almost knocked me over getting into a line in front of me. I had 3 items. Then at the post office I was carrying a 65 lb box of rocks to send for slabbing. Again - a guy just slid in front of me and let the door shut right in my face even though it was obvious that I was carrying something too heavy for me.

      I'm not used to be treated like that. At all. I'm not some crazed feminist who bitches in a man's face if he shows me a little human courtesy. When I see a purposeful lack of manners, it disgusts me and I take it as a lack of integrity. What kind of a person pushes someone out of the way to get something they want or to be ahead of them? That's not just a lack of manners, it's a lack of personal integrity. Nobody of either sex is justified in treating other people like this.

      Suzanne - I agree. I thought I was moving into that type of region. It was one just a few short years ago. It's changed, though. I'll be glad to get elsewhere again. It's too bad, too - because aesthetically I love this area of the world. I just can't get my head around the self-interest and greed that is transforming this area from what it was a few years ago before if it started to become incorporated.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
        I agree. Better yet I was always taught growing up to see how the girl I was dating treated the waiter/waitress.
        And all this time, I thought being nice to the waiter/waitress was a good way to prevent them from spitting in your food

        I remember one time, a friend of mine went through a Taco Bell drive through, started arguing with the girl behind the mic, then turned to me and asked me what did I want? I told him "no thanks, I don't want any of that spit"
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Wow.....Nowhere but the OT forum can you go from a Thread about whether you believe in demonic forces or not to how you treat people in the grocery line and a waiter at the Restaurant.

          Gotta love it
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    It's one thing I enjoy about country life. I lived in cities and suburbs that were pretty sizable prior to moving here. People hold doors open for people behind them here ... guys come over to my truck to help me load animal feed just for the heck of it. On our driveway (over a mile long) only one car can pass so if two are coming in opposite directions, both of them go out of their way to move over to the side and stop and wait until the other passes .. it's comical. No ... you go ahead. No you go really ... lol. Same with the doors. People will not walk in a door at a store and just let it go without making sure that no one is anywhere near, and I mean anywhere near it. It's a very different experience than I had living in cities. There were some polite people in the city, but it wasn't the norm, as it is here. I've had people practically knock you over trying to get ahead of you in lines or through a door in the city.
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      Think Positive, Be Positive, Act Positive so things in your lives will be always positive.
      What if you're going for an HIV test?


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        What if you're going for an HIV test?


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        I love your subtle, sarcastic humor.

        It cracks me up every time. =)


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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I always open the door for my demons.
      That is very polite of you, but if I am not mistaken, you're not supposed to let a demon into your house.
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        That is very polite of you, but if I am not mistaken, you're not supposed to let a demon into your house.
        I guess in the Korean culture, they do not celebrate Halloween because they don't want to open any doors.
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    From Demonic Forces to yoga pants views. BIG drift. Record drift?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      From Demonic Forces to yoga pants views. BIG drift. Record drift?

      Not even close to record drift.

      Besides, how do you think yoga pants wedgies occur? Demonic forces. It all comes back around, Biz.
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        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        Not even close to record drift.

        Besides, how do you think yoga pants wedgies occur? Demonic forces. It all comes back around, Biz.

        And, let's be honest, most of a man's demonic forces are in his pants already.
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        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        Not even close to record drift.

        Besides, how do you think yoga pants wedgies occur? Demonic forces. It all comes back around, Biz.
        You're right, Ms. Riffle, M'am.
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      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      From Demonic Forces to yoga pants views. BIG drift. Record drift?
      Better than a big draft when it comes to the two of them
      wearing succubi yoga pants?
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Mr. McGuire,
      I got that phone number put in my Cell as we speak. And you should be getting a Call from me in the next few minutes............just like you wanted
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Mr. McGuire,
        I got that phone number put in my Cell as we speak. And you should be getting a Call from me in the next few minutes............just like you wanted
        Some people just don't get it that off the topic does not mean no topic - which is definitely:

        Excuse me Sir or Ma'am - is it more appropriate to wear a dress or yoga pants when breaking the news to Claude that his demon has definitely left the machine.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Some people just don't get it that off the topic does not mean no topic - which is definitely:

          Excuse me Sir or Ma'am - is it more appropriate to wear a dress or yoga pants when breaking the news to Claude that his demon has definitely left the machine.
          My demon has left the machine.

          My wife used to call me Stud Muffin. Now, she just calls me Muffin.
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