Does this look like the same girl to you?

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I've seen a third pic too. This is the girl that was killed in iran during the protests. The Iranian gov't is trying to say it was staged, and she was killed by the CIA.

While thats not outside the realm of possibility, I'm kind of doubting that one
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    The one on the bottom, if airbrushed, and wearing the same head covering, COULD look like the top one. The one on the top was CLEARLY touched up, and the one on the bottom looks devoid of such things.

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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      The same person. Why do you think they look different? One has a scarf on, that's all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas
    Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

    Re: Does this look like the same girl to you?
    She might have a lot more make-up in the top picture (or maybe it's the camera) but, yep, they do look like the same person.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    maybe its just the lack of headscarf or something. bottom face looks fatter to me
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The mouth, tilt of the eyes and shape of eyebrows are the same - different expression makes face appear wider. One photo is a formal photo with standard touchup, one isn't.

      Poor girl is being used by every side to push their agenda.

      I think the CIA IS outside the realm of possibility here. I think someone shot wildly and hit her by mistake. But dead is dead. Pointing fingers to put the blame elsewhere is normal - and not just in Iran.

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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The mouth, tilt of the eyes and shape of eyebrows are the same - different expression makes face appear wider. One photo is a formal photo with standard touchup, one isn't.

        Poor girl is being used by every side to push their agenda.

        I think the CIA IS outside the realm of possibility here. I think someone shot wildly and hit her by mistake. But dead is dead. Pointing fingers to put the blame elsewhere is normal - and not just in Iran.

        kay
        I dont put anything past the CIA. The violent shooting of a pretty young college girl just yearning for freedom is the kind of thing that can start a revolution. The u.s. admin would love to have that crazy little jerk out of office over there, and what better way to do it than with his own people
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      When you smile - your face looks fuller. Easy to test - go to a mirror.

      Lip and eyebrow shape don't change -

      Wait! Comment to Self - do I care if the pix are of the same person? Hmm....no, I don't.

      Never mind.

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    its a shame that such a beautiful woman has left the earth..
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  • Profile picture of the author Aiyana_costello
    Hey,
    i think it looks like the same girl.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    It looks like the same person to me, what Kaye, etc said.

    While I have to agree the CIA is not out of the realm of possibility, what the press is 'allowed' to say, in an interview with her father, he said she was not political and was not a demonstrator. She just happened to be in the neighborhood and got caught in a drive-by -

    Now she is an international star in death and noteworthy that she was the start of the current cluster of 'famous/infamous' that have died.

    Back at where I read Walter Cronkite was near death at around 90 (story later recanted) was within days of Ed McMahon who beat Walter to the punch, I said stars always go out in clusters.

    Turned out to be the longest cluster I have ever seen. Let's hope it stops already.

    Neda of Iran (if i remember her name) Became Famous at Death
    David Carridine (B4 or after Neda?)
    Ed McMahon
    Michael Jackson
    Farrah Fawcett
    Billie Mayes
    Traveleno (spelling see TimPhelans thread)
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      Neda of Iran (if i remember her name)
      Neda Agha-Soltan
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        If it hadn't been caught on tape, Neda would be nothing more than another statistic - just as many Palestinians are, Afghans are, Iraqis are. She was young, pretty and the gruesome details were posted online - that's the difference.

        As for the rest - people die all the time. Several on Pat's list were up there in age or had a disease that other "not famous" people die of daily. Celebrities aren't immune from death and disease.

        When we start seeing trends in death of celebrities or assuming massive conspiracies with no evidence - we're going off the deep end. That's partly because of the never ending cacophony of speculation over Jackson which has simply gone over the top in the media.

        There is actual news happening in the world. Seven more banks were just closed - but you wouldn't know that from the anchors on cable news. The unemployment rate is up again - but large banks report good earnings. What's wrong with that picture? Where are those earnings coming from?

        We have a State issuing IOU's because it can't come up with a budget. In my state the legislators wasted time on idiotic bills that meant nothing and now are again in an expensive "special session" trying to come up with a budget they should have finished two months ago in regular session.

        We need to pay attention to what our local and state officials are doing. States and counties are raising taxes right and left and no one is doing any serious reporting on it. There's something very wrong when our budgets and officials so totally lack a connection to reality. What are we doing? Exactly what "they" want - focusing on the death of a superstar we probably hadn't even thought of in the past few years.

        With a few more states like North Carolina - will the majority of internet business end up being conducted from outside the US? Or will a handful of states resist the trend and end up being the internet capitals of power?

        If there's any conspiracy it's the one that leads people to worry about unrelated events that don't affect them personally....and not have time to notice threats that may directly affect their lives.

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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          If it hadn't been caught on tape,
          thats the part that makes it sketchy to me.

          lets say you were walking down the street with a friend, on your way to this rally. Your friend catches 2 in the chest and goes down...is your first thought 'grab the camera'? And the videos i've seen arent just of her on the ground bleeding out....its like AS she gets shot. could just be coincedince, but im not one to believe in that much
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    It's the same one - the hair also makes her look younger than the scarf. Khomeini can blame the CIA all he wants - he's had his thugs in there beating, jailing, torturing, and otherwise cutting up protesters yet he wants to blame everyone else. The truth is that he scammed the election to stay in power of a population that doesn't want his butt around and now is terrorizing any other authority that tries to tell the truth or go against him. I hope the people hang is ass.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Well pardon me then. I guess my thoughts are invalid.

    Some of us get sick of all the bad news. We shall be judged for digressing.

    We are screwed so what else is news.

    WTH obvious why we don't hear about the nobodies that die everyday. Sorry some of us think entertainers and so-called 'luminaries' are either loved or hated and may mean more or less to different people. They are 'cultural icons' and they do die in clusters, so sue me.

    You are right on the other hand though

    "We have a State issuing IOU's because it can't come up with a budget. In my state the legislators wasted time on idiotic bills that meant nothing and now are again in an expensive "special session" trying to come up with a budget they should have finished two months ago in regular session."

    ... and at this time this same state is being asked to pay for education for children of illegal aliens who are bussed in. (if this passes I am leaving California in a hot fricking minute)

    They have grounded the one police helicopter in Oakland California (one of the highest murder rates in the country for many years) - they are taking money from education and welfare and deeps cuts in police and even closing fire stations, ok? (the welfare part is a good idea be sure to get some illegals off).

    I am with Arnold on this: "Terminating Goverment" - 3 Fridays a month - sorry about a few state workers that will have a cut in income - at least they have jobs

    - and I am hoping "They" (the socialist/communists in our government) will not force us to pay for educating children of illegal aliens (after all we are already stuck with the anchor babies). Give us a bone since you won't deport them along with their mothers.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    I think we've hit a new low when we think that the CIA is on the same level of disgustingness as those thugs in IRAN. I knew a software developer (pretty young girl) who escaped from IRAN (her words) and she said that the treatment of women was incredibly barbaric and oppressive. Very sad. I wish we could help them, but if we interfere, we will pay a terrible price down the road.

    TomG.

    OOPS! Forgot to answer the OP's question. Yes, it's the same face minus Photoshopping.
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    • Profile picture of the author clubvikram
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      Originally Posted by tommygadget View Post

      I think we've hit a new low when we think that the CIA is on the same level of disgustingness as those thugs in IRAN. I knew a software developer (pretty young girl) who escaped from IRAN (her words) and she said that the treatment of women was incredibly barbaric and oppressive. Very sad. I wish we could help them, but if we interfere, we will pay a terrible price down the road.
      TomG.

      OOPS! Forgot to answer the OP's question. Yes, it's the same face minus Photoshopping.
      i agree with you as far as working of CIA is concerned, but these Iranians have been upto a lot of mischief lately, it is a fact that they treat womens shabbily there...but i dont really think we can term it barbarian, coz barbaric ways are the ways employed by Taliban.

      yes both pics are of same gal, liked the way you said it, ("minus the Photoshop")
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        That doesn't really say why it isn't barbaric. Just saying it isn't barbaric because barbaric ways are employed by the taliban, kind of excludes many other barbaric ways imo. Are the taliban the only ones who can be barbaric?

        Originally Posted by clubvikram View Post

        but i dont really think we can term it barbarian, coz barbaric ways are the ways employed by Taliban.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by tommygadget View Post

      I think we've hit a new low when we think that the CIA is on the same level of disgustingness as those thugs in IRAN. I knew a software developer (pretty young girl) who escaped from IRAN (her words) and she said that the treatment of women was incredibly barbaric and oppressive. Very sad. I wish we could help them, but if we interfere, we will pay a terrible price down the road.

      TomG.

      OOPS! Forgot to answer the OP's question. Yes, it's the same face minus Photoshopping.
      What makes you think the CIA is a bunch of choir boys? They do some dirty underhanded stuff in the name of this country
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by tommygadget View Post

      I think we've hit a new low when we think that the CIA is on the same level of disgustingness as those thugs in IRAN.
      The CIA is as dirty as they come; it has a class of "disgustingness" reserved all to itself: Since it's inception, it's been involved in murder, assassination, human experimentation, and coup d'états and destabilisation of 30 or so countries, including NATO members and U.S. allies. It has been publically acknowledged (by the U.S. House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence) that the CIA engages in "highly illegal activities" all around the world "several hundred times a day" and, IIRC, one of their own people claimed (back in the late 80s) that they were directly and indirectly involved in the deaths of "at least" 6 million people.

      I don't think they were involved in this case either but, if they were, it wouldn't register as a blip on their radar.

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  • Profile picture of the author Wakunahum
    Looks like the same woman to me.

    If by some chance it's not, it has to be a very close relative since they have the exact same nose, eyes, and lips.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    She was a spunk - they must be queer




    Why couldnt it have been Geoff Goldblum - he would have taken the bullet for her.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Pat - I'm sorry - I really didn't meant my comments as a dig at you and those people are just as important as those we don't hear about. I may be over-reacting because the news media seems to be 24/7 obits these days. Most of those deaths aren't surprising as they were elderly or had battled cancer for some time. Carradine was interesting as it seems to be kinky in Bangkok...at 72?

      Every now and then it happens that you hear of several well known people dying in one time period just as happens sometimes with those in your neighborhood, small town or circle of friends.

      To get any real news these days you have to read the trailers at the bottom of the screen!

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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    That's ok Ms. Kay. Thanks for acknowledging my 'thin skinned' perceptions.

    ... well deary people at upper and lower eschelons do usually die of old age or disease!

    Even though Michael and Billie Mays were only 50 they both had stuff wrong with them.

    I usually really get perturbed to hear the same news on every channel day after day like when a star dies - I don't know why little Michael has been the exception...

    I do know one thing if I hear one more time about the philandering Governor in where? SC? I am going to vomit. heheh

    Take care Ms. Kay Voice-of-Reason King, Forum House Mouther (lol that is a typo should be Mother). (no offense consider yourself good naturedly teased or something).
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    Slashing the people with razor blades by secret police in the protests was barbaric
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    It wasn't CIA - I was Khomeini's little thugs trying to start some violence in the crowd so he'd look okay to the rest of the world when he unleashed his Basij thugs on them - and it backfired so he decided to blame the CIA - make it America's fault, whether we stand clear or not.

    If it was the CIA, Khomeini wouldn't have disallowed her a proper burial and memorial - is that CIA, too? How bout forcing the father to make public statements that were completely reprehensible to him? Is that the CIA doing that, too? No - that was Khomeini. That he would actually further torture that family after losing Neda, then turn and try to blame it on the US is just more indication of how sociopathic this creep is. His greed for power is so overwhelming that he is losing control of his logical senses. He needs to be euthanized for the good of society.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    Hmm, lets see, who has more to gain here

    The u.s. government wants Mahmoud Ahmadinejad out of power as he has stood in front of the u.n security council not once but twice and said that israel and the u.s. should be wiped off the map, and he's been pushing a nuclear program and snickering while he's telling us he's not really making weapons grade plutonium even though he's collecting centrifuges like they are postage stamps.
    They can't just go in and stomp through iraq because a decade long war in iran and afghanistan has depleted our resources and military manpower, not to mention they dont have a real reason to go in and there are too many watchdog groups to allow something like 'oh we found wmd's' to slide by this time without a big to do. However an excellent 'cover' would be for iran's own population to be incited into an uprising. They are right on the edge of such an uprising, but just need that little push. Now if you look at all the pictures of people in these various demonstrations, most are men.
    Who cares of another iranian male dies, nobody will bat an eye about that, happens all the time. Plus there something just so much worse about a beautiful college girl, with a fiance (who just happens to be a photo journalist) driving to the demonstrations (though not actually in them yet) with her music teacher and getting shot. It would take wings and a halo to make this female more angelic in the eyes of the world. You couldnt pick a better martyr for a cause or catalyst for a revolution unless she was holding a newborn infant and being followed by puppies when shot and the infant and the puppies were hit as well. This would be a major boost to the u.s., they get their job done and it doesnt look like they had anything to do with it.

    What would be the benefit to Ahmadinejad to have his own forces shoot this woman, knowing that will piss of everyone involved in this uprising even more, making his life hell and possibly turning the tide against him, maybe even getting him killed by outraged demonstrators. Even the 'thugs' can see when they are outnumbered a couple thousand to 1.

    Disallowing a burial and a funeral would be a good idea if you dont want aggitators to get an already pissed crowd whipped up in a frenzy while morning the angelic newborn carrying puppy leading bullet sponge that they are putting in the dirt

    Just seems kind of questionable that she was a: shot in the back while nowhere close to the demonstration, b: someone just happened to have the presence of mind after she took a couple shots center mass to whip out a camera AND get it up on youtube before her body was cold. That sounds like propaganda all day long. and C; out of all the sweaty, mean, ugly shouting males that were involved in actual violence, the one that got shot was the pretty female, with the photojournalist fiance who's a couple blocks from the demonstration.

    the CIA has had their hands in all kinds of stuff like this, i wouldnt bat an eye if i heard they actually were the ones who pulled the trigger.

    Now pardon me while i head back into the bunker, im starting to feel the government's brain waves seeping in..i need my tinfoil hat
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    Why do you guys make things complicated. A bunch of people hate each other.

    CIA if anything is behind the protests. Or more likely MI6 as thats who the iranians are whining about.

    Are you saying that when Hamas murdered a bunch of opposition when they took power that it was really the CIA too and that the OSS actuially murdered all the people in russia not Stalin and that POL POT was a CIA and micheal jackson was a CIA manchurian candidate when he has sex with all those little boys ???

    Is that what you are trying to say ? That the CIA is infact a demonic sect established on earth by satan himself as a plot to sodomize innocent virgins ?

    Is this what you are trying to say ?

    That the CIA is infact responsible for satan, stalin, adolf hitler, Pol Pot, al quaeda, sodomy and beasiality porn ?

    Is this what you are trying to say ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by gareth View Post

      Why do you guys make things complicated. A bunch of people hate each other.

      CIA if anything is behind the protests. Or more likely MI6 as thats who the iranians are whining about.

      Are you saying that when Hamas murdered a bunch of opposition when they took power that it was really the CIA too and that the OSS actuially murdered all the people in russia not Stalin and that POL POT was a CIA and micheal jackson was a CIA manchurian candidate when he has sex with all those little boys ???

      Is that what you are trying to say ? That the CIA is infact a demonic sect established on earth by satan himself as a plot to sodomize innocent virgins ?

      Is this what you are trying to say ?

      That the CIA is infact responsible for satan, stalin, adolf hitler, Pol Pot, al quaeda, sodomy and beasiality porn ?

      Is this what you are trying to say ?
      i think they may be responsible for sodomy, definitely bestiality porn.
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        Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

        i think they may be responsible for sodomy, definitely bestiality porn.
        Especially the stuff with sheep....
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
    I don't have a lot of experience seeing the same girl twice...so I'm going to pass on this one.
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      Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

      I don't have a lot of experience seeing the same girl twice...so I'm going to pass on this one.
      I actually lol'd on that one.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        Why would they, the Iranian government, shoot this woman? Here's a simple reason: she's a woman without a head scarf and demonstrating against the fundamental established government. One trigger happy sob. No big conspiracy. Just a result of fear and hate.

        She was protesting by the way. According to several witnesses she was not just passing by as was first reported.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    Yeah dont blame the CIA - blame vlad and HU

    They prop up and arm the regime after all.
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  • Profile picture of the author localbandpost
    Oh yeah that is definitely the same girl!!!
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    My secret Ubuntu desktop ;-)

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  • Profile picture of the author hemux
    They both look the same to me. I guess she would exactly the same without the scarf.
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  • Profile picture of the author vertigo
    i think she is the same girl,you can look by her lips and eyes
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Michael Motley,

    I forgot about this thread. Maybe YOU should take your foil hat off. It seems to be interfering with your pattern matching and facial recognition ability.

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  • Profile picture of the author Baba Pandey
    Its same girl. What is there like that that makes confuse ? Its just make up only.
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