Anyone Understand "The Matrix?"

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Here's something I was thinking about today... (Could be complete nonsense, I'm not a deep thinker ...)

Firstly, humans eventually created "AI" (Artificial Intelligence.) Then, when they realized "The Machines" became more "Advanced" than them, the humans rebelled against the machines. To which, the machines fought back.

Then, as depicted in the first movie, humans scorched the sky to try and prevent The Machines from having a power source. So then, they (The Machines) found a way to save them and the Human Race by creating "The Matrix." (Which, according to the first movie, was supposed to be a "Perfect World/Heaven" for those plugged into it.)
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    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

    Here's something I was thinking about today.. (Could be complete nonsense, I'm not a deep thinker ...)

    Firstly, humans eventually created "AI" (Artificial Intelligence.) Then, when they realized "The Machines" became more "Advanced" than them, the humans rebelled against the machines. To which, the machines fought back.

    Then, as depicted in the first movie, humans scorched the sky to try and prevent The Machines from having a power source. So then, they (The Machines) found a way to save them and the Human Race by creating "The Matrix." (Which, according to the first movie, was supposed to be a "Perfect World/Heaven" for those plugged into it.)
    You went wrong on the bold.

    The machines created the matrix to enslave human kind ... they used the
    humans as a power source and the matrix to control the mind.

    Great movie, haven't watched it since it first came out. So i might be remebering that wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      You went wrong on the bold.

      The machines created the matrix to enslave human kind ... they used the
      humans as a power source and the matrix to control the mind.

      Great movie, haven't watched it since it first came out. So i might be remebering that wrong.
      Good point.

      However if The Machines were all about controlling the mind, why would they even consider creating a Matrix that would have been "A Perfect World/Heaven?" They could have just went straight to creating it in the year 2000.
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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        Good point.

        However if The Machines were all about controlling the mind, why would they even consider creating a Matrix that would have been "A Perfect World/Heaven?" They could have just went straight to creating it in the year 2000.
        If I remember properly, they did do that. " ... and lost whole crops".

        The machines found out the hard way that the human mind rejected the thought
        of nirvana.

        Edit- This is the actual quote.

        "No one would accept the program, entire crops were lost."


        Now I want to stop everything and go watch the movie.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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          Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

          Well now you have done it, I want to watch the movie now.
          Lol. It is a great movie. : )
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        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        Good point.

        However if The Machines were all about controlling the mind, why would they even consider creating a Matrix that would have been "A Perfect World/Heaven?" They could have just went straight to creating it in the year 2000.
        The machines weren't about controlling the mind. They were using humans as a thermal energy source.. The Matrix was simply built to keep the human's brains involved.

        At least, that's what I remember.


        The movie The Thirteenth Floor had a similar theme. I once heard a speaker give a rational case, proposing that we were all just part of a highy complex computer simulated universe.

        The rationale broke down upon giving it further thought, but it was a convincing talk.
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        • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


          The movie The Thirteenth Floor had a similar theme. I.
          Is that a movie worth watching? I never heard of it.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          The machines weren't about controlling the mind. They were using humans as a thermal energy source.. The Matrix was simply built to keep the human's brains involved.

          At least, that's what I remember.


          The movie The Thirteenth Floor had a similar theme. I once heard a speaker give a rational case, proposing that we were all just part of a highy complex computer simulated universe.

          The rationale broke down upon giving it further thought, but it was a convincing talk.
          The most correct answer. Without brain stimulation the bodies would die or have to be kept alive by artificial means which negates using them as a power source. However the wrong kind of stimulation with no created challenges it was like no stimulation at all.

          Neo became aware of the artificial environment somehow and learned how to manipulate it. However, he also in later movies was able to manipulate matter outside the environment. Never really explained.

          The fat or thin stuff was just randomness in the program as far as the human races persona was displayed
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            The most correct answer. Without brain stimulation the bodies would die or have to be kept alive by artificial means which negates using them as a power source. However the wrong kind of stimulation with no created challenges it was like no stimulation at all.

            Neo became aware of the artificial environment somehow and learned how to manipulate it. However, he also in later movies was able to manipulate matter outside the environment. Never really explained.

            The fat or thin stuff was just randomness in the program as far as the human races persona was displayed
            That, and the idea that there were 4 or 5 of him, that came before. I still can't create a rationale for that.
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              That, and the idea that there were 4 or 5 of him, that came before. I still can't create a rationale for that.
              Well there were 4 or 5 who came close but were not quite there. I suppose you could say his companions could manipulate the environment to some small degree but Neo was far ahead of them and his predecessors capabilities.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                Well there were 4 or 5 who came close but were not quite there. .

                No. I mean how could there have been identical predecessors? He was a real guy, not just a Matrix image. So, were the previous Neos clones? Just images?

                Did the machines make 5 different copies...and he's just the last edition?
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  No. I mean how could there have been identical predecessors? He was a real guy, not just a Matrix image. So, were the previous Neos clones? Just images?

                  Did the machines make 5 different copies...and he's just the last edition?
                  Interesting read:

                  During his meeting with the Architect, Neo learns a surprising truth about the Matrix. The Matrix is much older than Morpheus and the humans of Zion realize. The Architect explains that, in addition to two unstable versions of the Matrix, there have been five iterations, or cycles, of the Matrix. In each stable iteration, an incarnation of The One has appeared. Neo is the sixth One to appear in this sixth Matrix iteration.

                  In each iteration, The One is led by the Keymaker to the door where The One gains an audience with the Architect. The Architect presents The One a choice: enter the door leading to the Source to reload the Matrix by reinserting the Prime Program, or return to the Matrix.

                  The One is blackmailed by the Architect to enter the Source door by offering a handful of humans to rebuild Zion, which is completely destroyed by the Machines approximately every 100 years.[2] If The One fails to enter the door to the Source, the Architect warns that the humans inside the Matrix will die when the Matrix destabilizes, effectively making the human race extinct.

                  Neo, as with his predecessors, discovers that the Oracle's prophecy seems to be a fabrication; a form of control to steer The One to the Source (or, in the case of the Architect, a representative of the Source). If the Architect's story is true, it is presumed that each of Neo's predecessors entered the Source door to give humanity another chance at freedom, and that Neo's predecessors never tell the (new) Zion survivors of the truth of the repeated cycle of the Matrix or of the destruction of Zion.

                  Neo breaks the cycle of destruction because of his love for Trinity, who he saves from certain death as she falls from a building after ensuring that Neo's initial mission to reach the Source would succeed.

                  After Neo is rescued from Mobil Avenue station, he meets once more with the Oracle, who states Neo must still reach the Source - not the Architect, but the Machine City itself, where "the path of The One ends."

                  Neo succeeds in reaching the Machine City and successfully destroys the rogue Smith, whose clones have all but taken over the Matrix, threatening a system crash that would kill everyone inside it (both Man and Machines). After Neo's sacrifice, the Machines uphold the terms of the truce that Neo proposes, and the Machine War ends with Zion saved from the brink of destruction, and the Matrix successfully reloaded.

                  It is unclear whether another One will appear in time, but the Oracle subtly suggests that this is a possibility at the conclusion of The Matrix Revolutions.
                  I may have to watch these again...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                    Interesting read:



                    I may have to watch these again...
                    I get that. What I don't understand is this;

                    Neo is not just a character in the Matrix..he's a real person. In the movie, he meets the Architect.

                    The Architect tells him he is the sixth version. But we see (in the TV screens) that the previous versions all looked exactly like NEO.

                    So...in the real world (not the Matrix), why are all the previous versions just like Neo?

                    Are they always clones? And if they are, that means that the machines created Neo themselves.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      Are they always clones? And if they are, that means that the machines created Neo themselves.
                      Interesting point. They definitely created The Oracle. She came from The Machine World. Yet isn't she "good?"
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            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            The most correct answer. Without brain stimulation the bodies would die or have to be kept alive by artificial means which negates using them as a power source. However the wrong kind of stimulation with no created challenges it was like no stimulation at all.

            Neo became aware of the artificial environment somehow and learned how to manipulate it. However, he also in later movies was able to manipulate matter outside the environment. Never really explained.

            The fat or thin stuff was just randomness in the program as far as the human races persona was displayed
            Actually, stimulation requires a LOT of energy, and people would have to be kept alive artificially if they don't eat for real. They WERE in the matrix! But this world is made for creatures that absorb the energy through chemical means from the earth and animals. Machines can't do that yet. It is so messy, etc... that they may NEVER do so.

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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              I must admit I loved the film but never fully grasped it.

              Thankfully after coming to the Warrior Forum, I'm now even more confused than after I watched the film.

              Having said that, if we are in a matrix and the brain needs stimulation to keep it going, that might be why they made the film.
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                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                I must admit I loved the film but never fully grasped it.
                Same. : ) It's far too "complicated" for me. Then again, maybe that's why it's such a great movie.
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                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                I must admit I loved the film but never fully grasped it.

                Thankfully after coming to the Warrior Forum, I'm now even more confused than after I watched the film.

                Having said that, if we are in a matrix and the brain needs stimulation to keep it going, that might be why they made the film.

                And why they made the Off Topic forum. = P


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              • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                I must admit I loved the film but never fully grasped it.
                I fully grasped it, but thought it was crap. Perhaps I should watch it again and try not to understand it.
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                  Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                  I fully grasped it, but thought it was crap. Perhaps I should watch it again and try not to understand it.
                  Yes you should but this time watch with a few beers and you'll have the same experience that I did.
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    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

    Here's something I was thinking about today.. (Could be complete nonsense, I'm not a deep thinker ...)

    Firstly, humans eventually created "AI" (Artificial Intelligence.) Then, when they realized "The Machines" became more "Advanced" than them, the humans rebelled against the machines. To which, the machines fought back.

    Then, as depicted in the first movie, humans scorched the sky to try and prevent The Machines from having a power source. So then, they (The Machines) found a way to save them and the Human Race by creating "The Matrix." (Which, according to the first movie, was supposed to be a "Perfect World/Heaven" for those plugged into it.)
    A woman, iirc, claims SHE wrote 2 major hits. As I recall, the later film, called the matrix, was actually the 2nd part. SO, according to her.... The story goes that the humans created an AI based military. IT created havoc through a virus, got the humans to go full bore on it, and basically took over. The humans, not wanting to be under such rule rebelled, and the AI based military attacked. To make this a movie, a grandfather paradox was inserted, and it continued for quite a while. END FORMAT #1!

    Format #2.... The humans have been put into an idyllic world, but it is merely a dream controlled by some mental interface while their biological functions provide power for the machines. To make this a movie, a band of people have found the truth and found a way to switch back and forth almost at will. They enlist the help of a person chosen to be the one to master the programs.

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    Question: How can we be sure we are not a part of some Matrix(which I believe we are)now?
    What the purpose is and/or the reason may not be known although, how do we know we're now powering a Hamster Wheel somewhere for Kevin Riley???

    Have a Great Day!
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      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      Question: How can we be sure we are not a part of some Matrix(which I believe we are)now?
      What the purpose is and/or the reason may not be known although, how do we know we're now powering a Hamster Wheel somewhere for Kevin Riley???

      Have a Great Day!
      Michael
      Well, because the vast majority of us are barely able to read a book. And most of us are fat and ugly.

      If we were part of a Matrix, wouldn't we be better people?

      That's a joke question. You should start a thread, asking that very question. It will end well, I just know it.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Well, because the vast majority of us are barely able to read a book. And most of us are fat and ugly.

        If we were part of a Matrix, wouldn't we be better people?

        That's a joke question. You should start a thread, asking that very question. It will end well, I just know it.
        Speak for yourself fat man!
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Well, because the vast majority of us are barely able to read a book. And most of us are fat and ugly.
        I took great offense at that comment. I CAN read a book.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Well, because the vast majority of us are barely able to read a book. And most of us are fat and ugly.

        If we were part of a Matrix, wouldn't we be better people?

        That's a joke question. You should start a thread, asking that very question. It will end well, I just know it.
        Perhaps the machine can feast upon all energy; not just positive.
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      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      Question: How can we be sure we are not a part of some Matrix(which I believe we are)now?
      What the purpose is and/or the reason may not be known although, how do we know we're now powering a Hamster Wheel somewhere for Kevin Riley???

      Have a Great Day!
      Michael
      Or, this:

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      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      Question: How can we be sure we are not a part of some Matrix(which I believe we are)now?
      What the purpose is and/or the reason may not be known although, how do we know we're now powering a Hamster Wheel somewhere for Kevin Riley???
      You mean we weren't sneezed from the nostril of the Great Green Arkelseizure?
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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        You mean we weren't sneezed from the nostril of the Great Green Arkelseizure?
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    I was not able to understand it fully untill i watched "The Animatrix".
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    The only part I don't get is that there is only ONE reason to keep certain people out of the virtual environment. THAT is to keep them happy,passive, and keep the world sane. But a computer would not care about that. As for happy, you could make them immortal and able to do fantastic feats and LITERALLY "live" their dreams! That would make them relatively passive. As for keeping the world sane? When has it ever been that.

    Even the one that woke up the REBELS, like morpeus, was revealed to be merely a program!

    As I alluded to before, that was to make it a movie. It STARTED, and perhaps led to the rebels, as a grandfather paradox. How can a guy father a person before his father was even able to have a kid, and by a woman that was dead before he met her? IMAGINE! The guy led a resistance before he was ever even really born! What if he sent the wrong guy, or sent him at the wrong time? Would he vanish? Think about it, it's NUTS!

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    "The Matrix " ...... I think "Matrix " is one of the subject to my lower classes


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    I thought the first film was great as it was largely self-contained.

    As a whole, the trilogy is much better if you buy the material of the expanded universe (e.g. Animatrix, video game, comics etc).
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    True AI will never be possible, so the conversation is moot.
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      Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

      True AI will never be possible, so the conversation is moot.
      We're discussing a movie.
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        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        We're discussing a movie.
        I know, just stirring the pot.
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          Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

          True AI will never be possible, so the conversation is moot.
          Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

          I know, just stirring the pot.

          Somewhere, Seasoned's head just exploded.
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          Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

          I know, just stirring the pot.
          Lol. Oh OK. Keeps things interesting I suppose.
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    The Movies were excellent but every time I finished one I had a headache. haha.
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