How About We Act Like ADULTS and PROFESSIONALS Please! (And not like a POMPOUS A**)

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I go to business group meetings. We often get young, new entrepreneurs in our groups who aren't sure what they are going to do, but come to us looking for advice. And we would NEVER, and I mean NEVER, be so crude or so POMPOUS as to tell them that they didn't have a right to try to start a business and we would certainly never presume to give them the impression that we think they don't have the right to ask for our advice, or that doing so makes them already too inferior to start a business or to be in the company of our 'divine presence.'

Just because you have the luxury of hiding behind a screen does not give you the right to behave like a POMPOUS ASS! Even if you WOULD do it in front of a group full of people, I guarantee you will not be welcome there for very long. And even if you can hide behind a screen you probably won't be very well liked in here either!

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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    No doubt. I call them Internet Cowboys. People say things online and in emails that they would never say in front of your face. The computer makes cyber tough guys out of real life cowards.
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    • Profile picture of the author Pete223
      Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post

      People say things online and in emails that they would never say in front of your face.
      Especially when you're 6'2" - 6'3", 250 like Ron

      Cheers, Pete
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      • Profile picture of the author Corwinnx
        Ron,

        Cowboy, huh? Next time you see a reply from me with a quote from one of these guys and a cowboy hat in a thread, we can all have a good laugh.

        -Marcus

        (going off to search for a pic of a cowboy hat I can store on my HD for just such an occassion.)
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        • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
          Marcus,

          It's common knowledge that there are absolutely no, zip, nada opportunities to make money anymore. Especially in internet marketing.

          Don't you read the papers, or watch TV?

          Don't we have an obligation as folks who make money as entrepreneurs to let all the new wanna-bes know that we shut the gate behind us? Are we suppossed to give them false hope that one day they may be able to attain our status and actually make money doing something enjoyable?

          Where the hell are you coming from???????????

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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Pete223 View Post

        Especially when you're 6'2" - 6'3", 250 like Ron

        Cheers, Pete
        From my point of view, that's "petite".
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        • Profile picture of the author Corwinnx
          HeySal,
          I know that the same questions get asked over and over again. But if the newbies realized that they wouldn't be newbies. Think of the poor old college professor who gets a new crop of students every year. They weren't there the year before, they have no idea what questions were already answered

          And yes, a search might answer, but in this case, most likely not. The OP had an opportunity to do something he knew little about and asked for guidance and some jerk told him he had no right to try to take advantage of the opportunity simply because he didn't know what to do with.

          It's the 'vision' of being able to see an opportunity that makes an entrepreneur. And it's the ability to find out HOW to seize the opportunity that makes a 'successful' entrepreneur.

          How many posts have you seen in this forum about 'simply finding a person with a need and bringing them together with a solution is all it takes to make money?" That's all the OP was trying to do, and the 'basher' behaved like an utter A**.

          I hardly ever make posts like this one, but it's also not the first time I've seen this particular person portray this arrogance and pompousness. Anyway, I'm over it now.

          Thanks...


          MikeAmbrosio.... ok.... but what's the 'bonus'?

          Marcus
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            I understand where you're coming from Marcus.
            That's why the only newbie posts I go off on are the ones where they are whining about why their post count isn't going up or that they can't post links. 90% of the time they are the same ones posting one liners in the main forum and posting to every post here or in the test forum trying to raise their post count.
            If those rules where in effect when I joined the forum it would of taken me a year to be able to post a link
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by Corwinnx View Post

            HeySal,
            I know that the same questions get asked over and over again. But if the newbies realized that they wouldn't be newbies. Think of the poor old college professor who gets a new crop of students every year. They weren't there the year before, they have no idea what questions were already answered

            And yes, a search might answer, but in this case, most likely not. The OP had an opportunity to do something he knew little about and asked for guidance and some jerk told him he had no right to try to take advantage of the opportunity simply because he didn't know what to do with.

            It's the 'vision' of being able to see an opportunity that makes an entrepreneur. And it's the ability to find out HOW to seize the opportunity that makes a 'successful' entrepreneur.

            How many posts have you seen in this forum about 'simply finding a person with a need and bringing them together with a solution is all it takes to make money?" That's all the OP was trying to do, and the 'basher' behaved like an utter A**.

            I hardly ever make posts like this one, but it's also not the first time I've seen this particular person portray this arrogance and pompousness. Anyway, I'm over it now.

            Thanks...


            MikeAmbrosio.... ok.... but what's the 'bonus'?

            Marcus
            Sounds like a situation that could have been handled without bashing then.

            Mark -I remember being a newbie - I knew NOTHING when I got to the fourm - except how to turn on the computer. I didn't understand a lot of posts I read - but there was enough there without even hitting the search button to give me clues about what kind of animal I was dealing with here.
            While people could be nicer sometimes - you have to be thick-skinned to make it in business, so those that are going to survive here will blow some bashing off. I did and I'm still here - and still getting bashed now and again. .

            So yeah we can be assholes - but show me a community where you don't get any bashing when trying to break into the crowd. Keep a chin up - blow it off when someone shows their teeth and just keep on going. Sometimes you will find some kindness, too. You will even make friends.
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Marcus,

              I saw the phrase "pompous ass" and assumed it was me. That doesn't sound like any of the people I've jumped on lately, though.

              Your analogy regarding offline meetings isn't quite up to the task. If someone walked into one of those meetings and demanded that the people there do his work or reseacrh for him, and accused them of being thieving scum if they didn't, they'd be asked to leave. If they put on a mask and tried to come back and start again, they'd be removed forcibly - by the police.

              Offline, it's impossible for one person to take on the role of 5 or 6 at the same time and dominate a conversation.

              Offline, it's very difficult to scam people, take their money, and walk in the next week or month, hide the fact that it was you who scammed them last time, and then do it all over again.

              Offline, one does not walk into a new place and expect the regulars to adapt themselves to the new guy's preferences. And one certainly doesn't become threatening while doing so, unless one wishes to get their ass kicked.

              There are reasons that some approaches are used online that wouldn't be normally used offline. That's because offline consequences aren't available online. You adapt to the environment.

              Mark,

              It's interesting that the people who least need to feel intimidated by a place like this are most often the ones who do. If you look around, you'll probably notice that very few new folks actually get any kind of hassles at all. The ones who attract it are usually bizarre or stupid enough to attract it in spades, so they make for big theatre.


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              • Profile picture of the author Corwinnx
                Paul,
                I would hardly ever consider you a pompous ass. In fact, I remember a post you made some time back referring to the word, 'sardonic' and I thought, 'that sounds about right.' (*ahem -and a I must admit, a wee bit familiar)

                The OP did not make any 'demands.' He knew that he was looking at an opportunity. He knew enough about it to know it was an opportunity. He was just looking for 'input.'

                I'm not exactly 'thin skinned' and God knows I've had my share of the frustrating newbie free advice seeker who I have tried to help, who sees no value in what I say because I'm not charging $4,995.00 (Thanks Mike, ) but I don't take it out on every other newbie either.

                Basically, if I don't have something nice, I don't say anything at all. (Most of the time.)

                Just for the record, the sig file of the offending party not only proved he's the pompous ass he comes across as, it also pretty much paints him as a pseudo-intellectual pompous ass. The worst kind of pompous ass there is.


                With that, I really need to stop revisiting this thread. Please everyone, just try to remember, if you only have something nasty to say,why bother? It isn't constructive to anyone.


                -Marcus
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                • Profile picture of the author Ken
                  I'm going to post the thread I believe Corwinnx is talking about.

                  There is a reason for posting this URL. Two examples of requests for help that need to be studied. This is a wonderful forum to learn marketing and the thread below shows why, it also shows how to discourage newer posters and give the formum an undeserved bad rep.

                  There are examples of practical,helpful advice given with encouragement to the seeker who dared to admit his ignorance and request the aid of more experienced marketers.

                  Because of the direction given by the more successful marketers who replied to his query he now has a good start on being successful in his new venture. Also,I'm confident he will return more often and become a useful member of this forum.

                  The other reply to the request for info was arrogant, useless, uninformed, and discouraging.

                  Each of us was new to the forum at one time. Which type of reply do you think keeps us here? Which reply makes this a great forum?

                  If this is not the thread Corwinnx referred to, it should be.

                  Ken

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                  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                    Marcus,
                    I would hardly ever consider you a pompous ass.
                    [chuckle] I must be slipping.

                    If Ken has the right thread, I see what you mean about the comments. The gentleman in question is pretty consistent in his negativity. I believe he thinks that's what "realism" looks like.

                    I wonder how often those kinds of posts prompt the other, more helpful, responses...

                    Something to think about.


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                    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                      wow, Marcus, I see what you mean!

                      I too have noticed that particular Warrior is rather...ummm...abrasive.

                      That's too bad. But you and others made up for it in spades. So count on some good karma coming your way soon

                      I think we all have to remember that we really should treat people the way we would like to be treated. It works for me
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                      • Profile picture of the author Corwinnx
                        Ken, Paul, thanks. The thread speaks for itself.

                        Ken
                        The other reply to the request for info was arrogant, useless, uninformed, and discouraging.
                        That was my take exactly.

                        Paul,
                        you're absolutely right about the 'consistency' (otherwise I may have just chalked it up to 'maybe he had a fight with his better half today.)


                        Karen,
                        Thank you. Abrasive I can handle, but a pseudo-intellectual pompous arrogant ass... that gets under my skin. Even more so when I, and others, take the time to reply with a truly helpful post, and then someone like this just comes along and for no apparent reason tries to completely tear down someone who's just looking for a little guidance.

                        And now, I'm not coming back to this thread. I mean it. Really, I do. I'm not coming back again.


                        Warmest Regards,
                        Marcus
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post

      No doubt. I call them Internet Cowboys. People say things online and in emails that they would never say in front of your face. The computer makes cyber tough guys out of real life cowards.
      Well, I s'pose you ain't never seen a
      real Internet Cowboy, have you big guy?



      Just kidding. That's an excellent observation. LOL!
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  • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
    why are you in such a bad mood today bro??
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    • Profile picture of the author Corwinnx
      rapidscc,

      I'm not in bad mood at all man. (see, smiley?) I just read a post where a newbie was bashed and the 'basher' was sarcastically pompous and there's no need for it. I, and a lot of other Warriors put a lot of effort into reading and reply to posts from people who ask for help and I for one, don't want to see some poor newbie run away from this forum where they actually can get real guidance and help because of jerks like that.

      Marcus
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      • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
        Originally Posted by Corwinnx View Post

        I just read a post where a newbie was bashed and the 'basher' was sarcastically pompous and there's no need for it.
        Was there any particular thread that triggered your rant? Although I've seen what I consider unwarranted bashing, there are also threads where the OP deserves whatever bashing he gets, IMHO. There's just too much traffic on this forum and too many trolls and clueless people to be able to treat everyone with kid gloves.
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        • Profile picture of the author Corwinnx
          Ken,
          I can't name the thread it happened in, but it wasn't like that at all. It wasn't a 'how can I make $3,000 in 10 minutes' issue. It was a 'I've got a Hell of an opportunity in front of me and I need some guidance' type issue. But that's not the point.

          If you don't want to answer a question because it's a newbie question, fine. Don't answer it. But if you don't have anything nice to say... well you know the rest.

          Marcus
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by Corwinnx View Post

            Ken,
            I can't name the thread it happened in, but it wasn't like that at all. It wasn't a 'how can I make $3,000 in 10 minutes' issue. It was a 'I've got a Hell of an opportunity in front of me and I need some guidance' type issue. But that's not the point.

            If you don't want to answer a question because it's a newbie question, fine. Don't answer it. But if you don't have anything nice to say... well you know the rest.

            Marcus
            What is sad with that is even experienced Warriors mite of learned something new.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Corwinnx - uh....I think that KJ was being sarcastic.

    Sometimes it's not pomposity talking - sometimes it's just irritation over the same old questions - or the same old attitudes. Get rich NOW, how do I build a business, how fast can I get xx amount of money. So many come in here with such unrealistic ideas then post without reading what is going on that they can be irritating. Maybe it's not right, but when people can't read a forum or the rules before posting, it's going to happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    all i want to know is how i can be a bazillionaire by next week with no money and only a dialup connection. i dont know how to type, have never done any research for anything other a than middle school homework and i'm too lazy to look for keywords
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      all i want to know is how i can be a bazillionaire by next week with no money and only a dialup connection. i dont know how to type, have never done any research for anything other a than middle school homework and i'm too lazy to look for keywords

      Tell you what...

      I hesitate to do this, but if you send me $4,997 via Paypal right now, I will give you all the secrets.

      Really. I will. Trust me
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        Tell you what...

        I hesitate to do this, but if you send me $4,997 via Paypal right now, I will give you all the secrets.

        Really. I will. Trust me
        Is this a one time offer only for your very special friends?
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  • Profile picture of the author cmbwealth
    On the part of someone who is also relatively new and still have a lot to learn, the one thing that happens is we become nervous about asking anything.

    I've used the search to try and find answers to questions and sometimes it's easy sometimes not so easy.

    The reality for a newbie is that the forum is damned intimidating at times. I was a school teacher in a previous life and always tried to teach my students that the only dumb question was the one that went unasked, yet here....

    Let's face it over the years all the questions have been asked by newbies, and I do try to find the answers before I brave asking, but there are times I need help with a question that may have been asked before and in truth I don't ask because I see more 'that question has been answered before at xxxxx.' with an implied dumbass in the wording.

    IM is intimidating enough without having people make it more intimidating by pointing out that I don't know what I'm trying to do half the time and that I can't even search.

    Just my thoughts

    Mark
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