Anyone Else Noticing This?

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I glanced at the "numbers" of people visiting the WF about a week ago and it didn't look right so I started looking closer.

Numbers are down - way down. It's a trend I saw in the summer but thought it might reverse in fall - but it isn't reversing. The number of active visitors overall in the main and WSO sections is far below what it has been in recent years.

It's not, as someone posted recently, due to experienced members not answering questions. Many of the questions are asked by those not wanting answers but needing exposure. The level of rude replies and nonsense answers is higher than I've ever seen.

I'm sure mods are working hard but don't seem able to quickly delete stupid threads or ban repeat offenders so I have to wonder if the mods are getting the support they need from admin.

I hope this trend can be reversed but it does seem to be a trend at the moment. I went to the wayback machine and looked at lots of numbers over the years...and this is clearly not a good time for the WF.
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    Yes; very much so.

    Indeed. The posting-volume is way less than I've ever seen it at any point during the last 6 years.

    In my opinion, it's slightly connected to that in that many experienced members are deserting, and some of those remaining have told me recently that they find themselves considerably less willing to answer questions than hitherto, partly/sometimes because they feel the "quality of questions" has deteriorated so much.

    Indeed.

    I try to restrain myself ...

    I also wonder. But, then again, it's Saturday and the forum seems to be almost entirely unmoderated at weekends, at the moment. I know it's a different and perhaps less important matter, but I just had a look at the front page of the Main Marketing Forum, and there's a very high number of threads there that don't belong there. I've reported all the ones I've noticed. It was the same last Saturday: I reported loads of these on Saturday morning (my time) and they were all still in situ on the Sunday evening. (I, or you, or anyone else here who knows the lie of the land, could of course easily have moved them all myself, if able to do so, and actually in far less time than it takes to report them, given the 1-minute flood-interval between reports.)

    I'm very sorry indeed to say that I agree.

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    • I have noticed the trend too, Kay - even though I'm not on nearly as much - I still see that many experienced members are gone and the main marketing forum is painful to visit much of the time.

      I don't mean to sound negative, but I'm really not surprised - given that everything seems to be focused more about income generation rather than "community" or a healthy balance of both which this forum was before.

      thank goodness for the OT section - at least many of us are still around in here
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  • I think that some of it too has to do with the new layout and design of the forum. It's much harder now (for me anyway) to get on here and tell which threads I've looked at etc. It was much easier before to get on here and filter through the bad threads.

    And since the design change happened basically at the same time as the management change, it makes it hard to know which is causing the most damage. But from watching other large websites in the past, I do know that it's very hard to recover from a downward slide like this site is experiencing.

    The ones I've seen fail always seem hell bent on making their changes work, rather than swallowing pride and reverting back to old ways that they knew worked.
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    I've noticed the decline in coherent, interesting conversation and a huge influx of 2014 members who are mostly clueless spammers. I report plenty still and the mods nearly always act on my reports in a timely manner, even on the weekends, although slower on the weekends.

    It's hard to find conversations in the main forums that are really worth joining. I don't normally start threads myself much ... a lot of people that I really liked who used to post don't seem to be around.
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    • Yes, the old guy, may have passed away, (he did the drunk thread a while ago) or he might have gone somewhere else?

      But true, some have disappeared.

      The damn evil smileys are to blame!

      Although l was on another forum, with nice smileys, and it has seemed to dry up; a couple of trolls going on a rampage may have been the cause.


      That is the trouble with updating software, is it might offer some pluses, but stuffs up a few good things alone the way!

      Fiverr updated their software recently, and it was more of a flash style, which l hated, but went alone with it.

      But when Fiverr's revenue started to dry up, (big boys noticed a 90% drop in gig profits) then the new format disappeared to be replaced with the old again, (nice surprise).

      So, yeah, updating for the sake of it, isn't a good idea, sometimes.


      Personally l wouldn't go to the main marketing part of the forum) sick to death of trying to steer a newbie on the work hard, (possibly for years) track, when they have the shiny object in their peripheral vision.


      And l have to admit, that a newbie starting a new age type thread down here, only to have stubborn, denial, isn't a good way to discuss a subject, or utter refusal to see certain facts, (same thing).

      Seeing a UFO in a field, and saying that it has to be a publicity stunt, or movie shoot, can be limiting especially if genuine.

      Someone open to accepting others opinions, instead of putting a large padlock on it, opens things up to more discussion.

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    • Totally agree with all the above.

      It's becoming more and more the ''take the money and run'' routine in stead of a real community helping each other, sharing advice, tips etc.

      I have seen advice given in one thread, and the exact advice transformed into a WSO the other day...not cool.

      It's me first and then all of you ... move over, so I can sit there...

      It can be reversed but it will take a lot of effort from all members, admin and staff.

      Let's go for it!
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    Yeah, as noted on multiple threads...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ml#post9521640

    Cheers

    -don
  • Alexa,Jut as an FYI, that hasn't been a rule here for a long time. Some will get removed for other reasons, though, like the "no spamming" rule.


    Paul
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      I see ... thanks, Paul.

      (I'm sorry to hear it, though: my own opinion is that that stuff belongs in black hat forums, if anywhere.)

      Yes, I can see where "those things" can sometimes overlap.

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  • Yep. I noticed last night, "Friday night and less than 200 in OT." That's pretty low.

    Joe Mobley


  • In my opinion, the forum has gone through a LOT of changes since it was taken over. In any case of new management, I believe the new managers should first take the time to ask and learn what works BEFORE making radical changes that may alienate many of the members, especially the long-term ones.

    I have seen a lot of problems here and not a lot of solutions that actually have worked in some cases.

    I would think that if the membership fee was reintroduced it wold greatly reduce the number of spammers which, at times, is more that the mods can handle and gets frustrating for us when we browse.

    I could probably think of more to say but I think that's about all for now.
    I will watch this thread with great interest.
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    • well...that major blackhat forum sucks ....they have more rtards asking terrible questions than we do here...so I'm here more than anywhere else during my off grind times.
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  • Agreed. Also, many of the questions being answered are by people with low post counts trying to position themselves as experts, which makes it even more confusing for those in need of an answer.

    Most people don't know who's really trustworthy anymore. Actually, a high post count doesn't even prove anything because the internet changes in dog years. What worked 6 months ago may or may not still work today, etc.
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  • I love the irony of complaining about the quality of this site going down while at the same time this site condones/supports/allows discussion, products, and services that bring the quality of other sites down with fake likes, followers, etc.

    Mark
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  • Hey boss, with more than 800000 members, I don't think you can say "not a lot of people know about this forum."
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    • You mean like this:

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  • OK, but i see my replies as being straight forward and honest, some people need a dose of reality now and then.....
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    • I'm sitting here quietly drinking my tea and finishing up my breakfast before going back to work. I'm also reading this and don't even know what to say.

      I just went to the Main Discussion just for the heck of it and the first thread was a question PPC or SEO, neither of those topics belonging there. I didn't even bother to read further.

      As for the suggestion that the "older" members try to make change by helping out with posting good threads, etc., I am no position to help anybody as I'm just trying to put my own life together, which I am starting to do thanks to the good people here who cared enough to kick my ass.

      I don't know what the answer is. I guess if enough people care and don't just stand around, as Paul says, watching the car wreck, something will get done. I care but have too much to do to really do anything about it.

      Realizing all of this, it made me realize something else. I guess it's kind of like a family member who you fight with constantly, but then all of a sudden they become ill and are maybe even at death's door, and you suddenly realize that they're still family and you genuinely want them to get better.

      The Warrior Forum over the years has made a huge difference in my life. I couldn't deny that even if I wanted to. And because of that, I'd hate to see this place turn into another Freelancer redirect. If there was something I could do to help, I would. But right now I have to get to work and try to make some money so I can pay some bills. That's how concentrated my own world is right now. There is just no time for anything else, which is why this is like my first post here in about a week. But I needed to get this off my chest. In spite of everything, I truly do care about this place and all the people I have known these last 8 years.

      I hope Freelancer figures this out and turns this trend around, because I want to be able to come back here a year from now to tell everybody how well I'm doing.
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    Anyone Else Noticing This?

    I glanced at the "numbers" of people visiting the WF about a week ago and it didn't look right so I started looking closer. Numbers are down - way down. It's a trend I saw in the summer but thought it might reverse in fall - but it isn't reversing. The number of active visitors overall in the main and WSO sections is far below what it has been in recent years.