Just heard that on the news. Great.

It was almost inevitable. The question is can it be contained? Also, how well can it be treated, especially if it becomes widespread?

It's not the first case:

American Doctor with Ebola - Emory Hospital - Georgia

US missionary with Ebola arrives at Nebraska Hospital.

Stories from Reuters --

Just check out all the things going on in the US on the global incidence map. Hey - in the states we have plague, we have anthrax, several new viruses, Equine Meningitus that is transmittable to humans. We've got some new weird virus going on, and all sorts of really scary stuff.

There are countries that are now quarantining ebola areas - nobody in or out. It's about time. I'm not going to panick yet. We actually need a few cases to get our med facilities up to speed with how to deal with it. We still have a LOT of illegals coming over the South border..........and if you think they're all just Mexicans, you're out of touch. This could get ugly. It could just peter out with the ebola outbreaks starting to be quarantined.

Here's a link to the global incidence maps - you can choose all sorts of things to check out - forest fires, health, hazmat incidences, etc and so on. The Texas case isn't on the map yet.


http://outbreaks.globalincidentmap.com/home.php

It's not a bad idea to learn how to keep your immune system on max right now.

There was one suspected case in Sacramento, too - but turned out to be a false alarm. At least it was paid attention to well and right away. I worry about what's coming over our south border. There's a reason for legal immigration, and health screening is probably one of the most important of them. The stuff on the incident map is there because it's possible that bio-terrorism is the reason it's here. There's a lot of other stuff going on in health that doesn't hit the map because it's natural and normal for it to be here.

I keep my immune system cranked on high at all times. With the population as dense (lol, I love that word - so ambiguous), as mobile, and as generally sick as it is now, I don't need to catch even a cold because some clod is running around sick in public.

So where's the other 100 people that was on the same plane back to the US?

This was inevitable. I knew it from the start, that they were gonna screw up. God bless us all!

4 flown back? On the outbreak map both hospitals are listed, but Reuters only reported one patient at each. WTF is going on?

At least Texas is defending their border - California is just letting people walk in at will. Exactly how many strolling over are from Africa - and from infected areas? This should be of grave concern to everyone. The population in S. California is about the largest and densest in the country. Not a good place to have some illegal with ebola strolling into. If that person were to get into mass transit in LA during a rush hour, we could have a zombie apocalypse on our hands within a few weeks.

Man in Dallas With Ebola Had Been Sent Home From Hospital
Texas already screwed this up. Let's see ... sent home with antibiotics after seeking treatment for unknown illness. What's wrong with that picture? For one, treating an illness with antibiotics without knowing what illness you're treating is idiotic. Antibiotics don't cure viruses and apparently, they just hand them out like candy in Texas if they don't know what you've got.

Here's something else disturbing.

Remember in the late 80's - that warehouse they had 400 monkeys in (I can't remember what the reason was. Research maybe). When Ebola hit those monkeys, it started to take every one of them in that one room down. There was nothing but an air duct into the next room - yet the monkeys in the next room also contracted the virus. How? We are not being told the truth. I have seen many statements from medical researchers that have stated it is definitely aerosol (at least in some strains) and possibly air-borne. I would think any attempt to say it's not at least aerosol is nothing but an attempt to keep people from panicking. I also think it's a dangerous one. We need to know the truth about this one. If they want to see panick - let's see what happens when people don't know what the truth is and an area gets hit with it.

Here we go. When in doubt of what media tells us (for our own good, of course) --
PubMed is our friend.
Aerosol exposure to Zaire ebolavirus in thre... [Microbes Infect. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
Lethal experimental infections of rhesus mo... [Int J Exp Pathol. 1995] - PubMed - NCBI

One main concern, too - is that just because a virus is not air-borne at the time, does not mean it can't morph into one that is.

Don?t panic over Ebola in America - Vox

Suzanne - um - the full text links are right there.

I didn't say actually "airborne". I was talking about aerosol. The difference is how far something can travel in air. Your assessment "unless someone sneezed on you" - that's aerosol. That is what research is pointing to. You only read the abstract? I don't think abstracts cover much? Anyhow - the virus has been shown to be aerosol to at least some primates. Not in other animals - but since there's been little study of the active disease they don't know for sure if "primates" is close enough to us for it to be considered aerosol transmittable. I wouldn't take chances with it if I have a choice.
And it is a virus. How many people could be effected if it mutates?

Questions we need to be open to watching out for at the very least.

As far as what is going on in this country health-wise. Ebola isn't the only really nasty and potentially fatal virus running around the states. This is a new one. It's being around 70% deadly over there, but we've had 4 victims who have all survived. Now we have one who was a surprise. We'll just have to see if he survives, too, huh?

As far as being worried about my health. I'm not overly so -- but when I go somewhere and see an employee who is obviously sick and should be at home rather than coughing and sneezing on everything they touch................I just leave. There's more than one reason I like to live in low population densities.

Heard about it, just now..tsk3x!

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It's been widely reported that the CDC put out a similar directive:

Cheers

-don

BBC News - Liberia 'to prosecute US Ebola man'

Liberia says it plans to prosecute US Ebola patient for allegedly lying over his contacts with infected relative

CDC issued the warning...obviously the patient's travel history should have been taken more seriously.

For sure some health care facilities got the message.

Cheers

-don

I wonder how many will be punished for what happened last month in Guinea?

Cheers

-don

Stay home or face arrest...

Cheers

-don

The nephew who called the CDC to make sure that his uncle was going to receive appropriate ebola care, after the first botched attempt, is now complaining that his uncle is not receiving ZMax ...

Too funny ... guy lies about his contacts with ebola victims, comes here for the best chances of survival after being exposed, has had direct and indirect contact with 100 people here and put them at risk, and his nephew thinks he deserves a medication that has been depleted and used only for the elite ... those doctors and health care workers on the front lines trying to save other people's lives. Talk about entitlement.

So watching TV news now and there's properly outfitted people at the site cleaning and looking like they've been doing it for days ... all because of all the press about the contaminated apartment ... now it's all a dog and pony show to show us they're on it. What a fiasco.

Chlorine. Chlorine kills it. I remember that from reading about the incident with all the monkeys a few decades back. It takes chlorine 7 minutes to kill ebola. I would think that the family of that man might want to start sterilizing the house and keep it that way.

I would think it's time for the communities with the outbreaks to start shocking their wells and sterilizing their homes. Might not be enough, but it sure as hell would not hurt them.

You and me both, Dan. I'm not a germaphobe, but I don't live in any areas where there is a dense population. I also watch the global outbreak maps to see if there's anything unusual or deadly going on in my area, and, of course, I keep my immune system as toned as possible. I find the scariest thing about these viruses is the sheer density of population and how many people can be encountered by one infected individual during the average day.

http://outbreaks.globalincidentmap.com/home.php

Flight ban info: US carriers are still flying...


Cheers

-dn

One concern would be the point at which area hospitals and facilities and trained staff are overwhelmed. The US is veeeery far from that level.

Coverage about cases here remind me of my skeptic engineer friends take on dirty bombs that had
so many people scared. "It would just be a matter of guys in protective suits going around with trash bags to pick up the debris."

Maybe another one...

Patient with Ebola-like symptoms in D.C. hospital - WTOP.com

Apparent success against Ebola with HIV drug in Liberia - CNN.com

Clean Guys Environmental (CGE) arrived at the apartment last about 9PM last night to "access the.situation, make a plan, and then communicate with the CDC"...after that is/was done the cleaning commences. They company stated this job should be a "walk in the park".

Cheers

-don

Yes, the company did not have the proper Federal transportation permits to transport this type of hazardous material which evidently is handled through the state government.

As Kay mentioned Texas officials supposedly had trouble finding a company to do the job...

Dallas officials say the cleanup should take about 3 hours and the hospital that turned him away says he was not turned away due to human error, he was turned away because of a "software problem". I guess they figure humans did not code or setup the software...

Cheers

-don

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but I heard that 1st case guy went to a hospital in Texas and told them of the possible problem and they sent his away.

Nope (unless you come in contact with his sweat, blood, vomit, urine or feces)

Just read the Texas Ebola patient came here to get married. I'm thinking he came up with that idea right after carrying a near dead girl around, considering that's when he decided to leave Liberia.

DUI suspect in Georgia jail being tested for Ebola after developing fever: report - NY Daily News

Here's a report that was hidden in wiki that I just saw

Officials: Second person being monitored for Ebola

Sounds like one the quarantined family members might be coming down with some illness

@ Suzanne

That story was not very well "hidden" as two days ago USA Today, Time and others published it to their very popular websites....

Second Patient Monitored for Ebola in Texas

Cheers

-don

@ Ron

That was already posted on this thread by cbpayne...

http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ml#post9569321

Cheers

-don

Lions, tigers and ebola

I don't know about you, but if I was quarantined somewhere that someone came down with ebola, I sure as hell wouldn't be waiting for a "service" to clean. I'd be spraying down my whole kitchen and bathroom and anything else I could hit with bleach without ruining it. Anything else would be getting soaked with rubbing alcohol. I'd be taking every natural anti-viral I had in the house and showering at least 3 times a day. I can't imagine "waiting for a service". I also can't imagine anyone not having a few very potent virus/bacteria killers like bleach, vinegar, and rubbing alcohol in their home. I might not be a germaphobe - but I know how to clean a damned infected house, for cripes sakes.

The mere fact that a *hospital* couldn't keep the chain of communication open - utterly baffling to me.

And don't forget the Enterovirus68 that's spreading as well. 2 towns over from mine had a confirmed case.

Not an informed world in which we live.

Read a story this morning about the judge in Texas who ordered that the family who is quarantined be moved. This judge drove them himself to a 4-bedroom farm with acres of land around it to move them. He then did an interview and see ... I'm still wearing the same t-shirt that I wore when I drove them. None of them have symptoms. I know that he is trying to instill calm, but that's still a pretty brave thing to do in my book, since these are the people who had very direct and prolonged exposure to him. Quite a story.

Duncan is now in critical condition.

Hospital: US Ebola patient in critical condition


Health officials said Saturday that they are currently monitoring about 50 people for signs of the deadly disease who may have had contact with Duncan, including nine who are believed to be at a higher risk. Thus far none have shown symptoms. Among those being monitored are people who rode in the ambulance that transported Duncan back to the hospital before his diagnosis, said Dr. Tom Frieden, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

You have to read the whole thing. Good grief!

~ Theresa

The U.S.A. has no Surgeon General.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/the-nra-m...a-crisis-worse

Even with a SG, I think CDC would be calling the shots.

I can't say for sure, but this may help for faster diagnosis and perhaps allow top experts to look at samples digitally:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/womans...143400959.html

This is the saddest story and one of the really awful things about this disease... that people want to hold and care for their sick loved ones.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/05/wo...n-liberia.html

I was thinking about this and reading up on the origins of ebola and while they don't really know what is the reservoir host of ebola, the animal or whatever where ebola lives when it's not actively killing people, in this article, there's evidence of a connection to fruit bats (to 3 different types of bats, actually). It appears that studies on those bats show that the bats have low levels of ebola RNA and are also effectively immune from ebola. People in Africa eat those bats.

Far more gorillas and chimps have died from ebola in the same areas that people are dying from ebola. Another interesting fact. Not that they're the carriers ... but more likely they eat the fruit or come into contact with the bats.

Fruit Bats Likely Hosts of Deadly Ebola Virus

Guinea banned bat eating back in March.

Cheers

-don

Man who brought Ebola to US facing prosecution

The ironic thing though is that a lack of vitamin C can cause scurvy. Vitamin C can EASILY be used up, and is water soluble. It CAN'T really be stored. SCURVY presents in a similar way to ebola.

BOTH have you bleeding from areas with mucous membrane. Of course, I would NEVER advocate it as a cure, or try it myself, but it is worth a try. It can't hurt and MIGHT help.

It is ironic that MANY fatal diseases are NOT really "FATAL", but rather end up as fatal because of the body's attempt to fight them off, or because of symptoms that happen because of other symptoms.

Steve

What struck me is that normal doses of Vitamin C are 500 to 1000 mg or maybe 2000 mg.
Linus Pauling was an advocate of Vitamin C, but even he was - as I recall - suggesting
2000 mg to 3000 mg for a healthy immune system.

For Ebola they were talking 180 grams. Seems like there would be toxicity levels at 90 to
180 time normal? Also, a side effect of too much Vitamin C can be diarrhea. Not something good
for Ebola.

Couldn't not try it.

@ Sal

Derek Gatherer, a bioinformatics researcher (Lancaster University U.K.) that studies viral genetics and evolution has some thoughts on the biological markers that have been linked to ebola survival. Below are a few of them...

Cheers

-don

That's really interesting, Don. I haven't read the full link yet - just read your excerpts. Now I wonder how people know which of the genes they have. Hoping the article gives some indication when I read it (tomorrow am) about how we know which gene type we are. From my family history, I am hopeful, and almost convinced that I've got some pretty kick-butt genes going for me, but who knows.

Thanks for that share.

Been reading. It seems that the areas that are getting hit hard with Ebola are places where the people are nutritionally deficient. CD4 and CD8 T lymphocytes are deficient in people with a lack of energy proteins, Vit A and Zinc. That would go along with a lot of aid in these countries that give kids doses of Vit A. Also with the fact that they don't get much in the line of animal protein. Conversely - those who get too much strenuous exercise may be low on their lymphocytes for up to 3 weeks after they quit the overly strenuous exercise. In atheletes these lymphocytes deplete for around 30 minutes after exercise than resume to normal if the exercise isn't continually over done.

Interesting. Maybe the American diet will help to cut the spread of Ebola here.

As far as the Alleles - (B*7 and B*14) - he's going to have to get further than that. There are so many that it would be hard to actually categorize who's going to get sick based on that - and you'd have to know which are indigenous to your own body. Some that are in the logs are so rare they've only been seen in one individual. 7 is only around 25% of people in Nova Scotia - very small percent elsewhere. There's got to be a better indicator that HLA's.

Global threat of Ebola: From the US to China, scientists plot spread of deadly disease across the world from its West African hotbed

Interesting article. I think it's pretty clear that it's in the best interest of every country to provide aid to stop the West Africa epidemic as soon as possible.

Ebola could hit UK 'within three weeks', scientists warn | Daily Mail Online

Another interesting development.

Drugmaker provides experimental drug for Ebola use | Boston Herald

Monsanto is teamed up with the pharm making the gene-silencing drug.
The Best Investment For The Fight Against Ebola - NASDAQ.com

I'm sure that not eating animals that have ebola is a good idea, and something that the people over there do. Many are starving and don't have much to eat. I was just finding it interesting that the particular elements that are lacking that create T cell deficiencies are the energy proteins, zinc....and particularly vitamin A...which is something that the aid missions always stock up on to give to the people because of the shortages there.

It's also interesting that if there are genes that allow the disease to progress by hindering T cell production that one company --- one that has been making toxic poison for 100 years, and now is creating toxic food...........has the technology and know how to silence genes. Go figure.

Everyone here that knows me knows I am not fond of pharmaceuticals with side effects that are the same as what they are supposed to control - especially untested ones. I was a guinea pig for one of those once and it was not a good time. However - we're talking about a possible pandemic, super deadly bug.

Nobody is talking about hooking people on a lifetime of pharmaceuticals - this is a matter of giving people with little chance otherwise something for a few days to kill a bug that most likely won't leave them alive - and maybe not functioning correctly after that if they survive. It's a chance to kill the outbreak before it wipes out 50% of the people on a planet - and several other animal species. If it's a gene silencer...well Monsanto's an expert at that, if nothing else.

While I am fully and aggressively insistent we have better chances when we build our immune systems naturally.......um........if you aren't already doing that when this crap comes around, you don't have time for that. We also know that it still plays hell on people who's immune systems are buffed enough that they survive the bug. Depending on having the right genes as I pointed out in a previous post is a crap shoot at best. I say try the drug.

That's right. You heard me say that. Right out loud.

Interesting, Suzanne. That's a different one than I just linked to. Anyhow - I think they're doing the right thing this time. If it were a just a regular flu outbreak, I'd be furious. This isn't just a nasty flu, though. And the more people that get it, the stronger the chance it will mutate to an airborne infection, so I think we need to take chances that we wouldn't normally take in stopping it.

BBC News - Ebola outbreak: Nurse infected in Spain

A nurse in Spain who treated an Ebola patient there had contracted the disease.

So Derek - weigh in on this one, please. What's your take on the situation?

Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan dies at Dallas hospital

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Second Possible Ebola Case Reported In Texas

Way too careless.

The body of a dead Ebola patient is highly contagious.
I'd prefer they cremate at the hospital.

If I were the deputy, I'd be wanting to go to the Nebraska hospital.

I guess he won't be facing any charges

Only now, the US and Canada are going to begin screening travellers for Ebola.

Source: Texas Ebola patient dies as Canada, U.S. unveil screening plans

ETA: I feel bad that he died, but I'm furious that he lied in the first place.

That's good to know, Jody. Now if we could just get them to close the South border where illegals just walking in every day are bringing other diseases in, too. Entrovirus...effecting kids in around 10 states now (maybe more, that was the last time I looked).......and brought to you by your friendly illegal immigration train.

We need to stop the politically correct, no profiling bull shyte and start taking care of our people or this isn't the only virus/disease we're going to have to worry about.

Seems to me we better be watchful of it:

(bold is mine)

"Until now" ........does this indicate virus morphing?

Enterovirus D68 and Paralysis | HealthMap

They have references about the virus from pubmed and the CDC if anyone wants to study the issue in greater detail.

'I touched my face with gloves': nurse with Ebola - The Local

Note that the sanitation team member has a protective suit on.
I hope that's an indication that Spain handles this thing well.

After looking at this and the pictures Suzanne posted in #228 and noting the lack of
protective clothing, and the other things that could have been handled better,
I can't help but wonder if our federal, state and local systems of government
unintentionally create a missing a link when it comes to command and control
of a situation like this.

I'm not being political here, just looking at this from an organizational perspective.
There needs to be someone calling the shots, establishing protocols, and seeing
that the protocols are followed. Say, "Get the quarantine papers signed, and do
it with protective gear on."... "Sanitize areas following these procedures"...

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About the nurse's dog in Spain, I also thought just quarantine it. It's been a few hours
since I've read the latest on that issue, but I've realized that as sad as it is, there is
the possibility that the dog could be a carrier and never get sick. They seem to think
the bats are just hosts. Maybe it's the same with dogs. Sorry.

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This is the first time - I think - that I've read Thelocal.com. It seems good. I like the layout and the
local noticeboard as well as the coverage.

The Center For Disease Control Explains Why Infections Are Spreading In One Graphic

Really good news for the NBC cameraman
Ebola-Stricken NBC News Freelancer Ashoka Mukpo 'Turned the Corner'
Ebola-Stricken NBC News Freelancer Ashoka Mukpo 'Turned the Corner' - NBC News

This story pisses me off though. These are intelligent people who agreed to self quarantine and then didn't and now they are in mandated quarantine

New Jersey enforces mandatory quarantine for NBC crew exposed to Ebola, including Dr. Nancy Snyderman | WJLA.com

Looks like the Spanish patient is doing ok too
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0HZ0U920141011

BBC News - Positive Ebola test at US hospital

Texas health care worker tests positive for Ebola at hospital which looked after victim Thomas Duncan, officials say

How many reported cases have there been in the US so far? Haven't been following the news in the past few days.

They overreacted with the hazmat suits! I mean the guy could have infected everyone, and/or the plane, and they send like 4 people in stumbling over themselves in hazmat suits. they should have had one guy outside the plane, and asked the guy to come out. OTHERWISE, he could have ripped a hazmat suit and endangered the person. If he wouldn't come out, he could just have everyone ELSE come out and take another flight.

As for the bacteria in cattle? It is a WELL KNOWN FACT that the WORST such bacteria was grown in hospitals. Maybe that is even where the DR STDs were created. They REALLY need to fix the hospitals. MRSA infection Definition - Diseases and Conditions - Mayo Clinic

Steve

I deeply appreciate the people who volunteer to serve in our military.

A lot of the spread in Liberia has to do with burial practices and sanitation -
changing fast I hope:

In Liberia, Burial Practices Hinder Battle Against Ebola - WSJ

Also found this interesting:

http://www.notimpossiblenow.com/the-...tImpossibleNow

http://healthmap.org/en/

I am surprised they don't decon the suits before anyone gets out of them. Spray those things down with bleach. Bleach kills the bug. Seems to be kinda counter-productive to have them getting out of suits that may have contamination all over the outside - too risky.....um as we have seen.

yes - decon the suits. I wonder if there is some newer material that is more disposable, burnable.
From the pictures, what they use now looks heavy and cumbersome.

Dan

The UV light does not kill viruses - just mold and bacteria - er bacteria anyway, not sure about mold.

UV Disinfection Light safely kills 99.99% of germs, viruses, bacteria and eggs of lice, fleas, and dust mites

Ultraviolet germicidal irradiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yep - I was wrong (Again.)

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Ebola outbreak: Liberia health workers threaten to strike Monday

I can't say that I blame them - they need protective gear at the very least.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/he...e-funeral.html

I think one problem is that so little is known about Ebola before this outbreak. I believe somebody posted the previous known outbreaks earlier in this thread. What has happened in the past was usually that a person was infected by animal, and he would infect a few others and that was it. What has happened now is that the virus kept on passing between humans. As it passes through humans, it is bound to adapt so that it could be transmitted more easily. At the same time, the mortality rate should go down as the virus becomes less lethal. However, that does not seem to have happen.

A virus that lethal can't be transmitted efficiently for ever. At one point, people will get so scared that they will stay at home as much as possible and whole cities will be at a standstill. I believe this was one factor why SARS was controlled in 2003.

Ebola outbreak: 1st human trials of Canadian vaccine start in U.S.

An interesting and thought provoking comment re: this article Dallas Nurse With Ebola Identified

Begs the question, are frontline workers adequately protected? Also, why is there no decon of gear before it is removed???

@waterotter

Ebola ruled out in the Ottawa case.

This political game with the "we can't shut down travel" BS is making me furious. Oh the economy will be effected? Who's? The drug companies? These politicians don't think that having half a population in die off won't effect their economy? People being so scared crapless to use that transportation method they refuse to go there aren't going to hurt that economy?

We need to have scientists take over. Politicians have got to be the most brick headed humans on the planet.

This is just like the issue of the poisons we're spraying on our ecosystems. Economy means crap when you destroy the reason for the economy. Sprays mean crap when they completely annihilate the ecosystems to the point they've started chain reaction extinctions.

I think maybe scientists are very correct that we're splitting into two species - and I believe we need to stop putting the sub-species in our offices.

This whole fiasco has gone from a little concerning to completely bizarre.

Nigeria (note op ed piece):

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/06/op...-of-ebola.html

Brave woman, many interesting points - especially about getting blood transfusion from Ebola survivor:

Dallas Nurse Battling Ebola Says She's 'Doing Well' - ABC News

Only four US Hospitals designated for handling Ebola - Dallas is not one:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/texas-e...ry?id=26140892

Oh holy crap. The WHO just put out a report. 3% of people have ebola incubation periods of 42 days. That's twice the length of time we're actively watching or quarantining. It's also only 98% of cases - 95% are 21 days - 3% are 42 days. Um........
what's going on with the other 2%?

WHO | Are the Ebola outbreaks in Nigeria and Senegal over?

I can see that if a few more cases occur in Dallas, especially if it involves the general public, the city will go into a "lock down" mode. That is people will be scared to go out except to get essential supplies. But this is probably the most effective way of stopping a potential outbreak.

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Second Nurse Infected with Ebola Was on Jetliner Before Diagnosis

A news report stated these hospitals don't want to be filled to capacity - one hospital is prepared to take about three ebola patients, even though they have more beds.

2nd Texas health worker with Ebola will be moved to Atlanta

Mark Zuckerberg And Wife Priscilla Chan Donate $25 Million To Fight Ebola

Gates Foundation to spend $50M on Ebola response

they should close the borders and not accept any flight from africa imo!

Wow, this is very disturbing: Some Ebola-Stricken African Families Pay Bribes for Fake Death Records

I see Yahoo news is running those false ads about Prop 92 that the GMO industry is paying 8 figures to run to fool us into not labeling GMO food. Is the whole world of money out to kill us now? Don't stop those flights - it will interrupt our prosperity. Don't label those GMO's it will interfere with our prosperity.

This whole planet has gone from sick to extremely twisted.

Ebola is like all other epidemics manufactured in laboratories of the freemasonry international health organizations who spread disease in poor countries in order to control and kill the largest possible number of people and make treatment experience on them .. in other words Africa and Asia are laboratory mice of these organisations . once they got disease in Europe and America the magical treatment appears who is often existing before dissemination of epidemic The principle of creating the problem and finding solution And we can see the same thing in politic through armed organizations and fabrication of terrorism for purely economic goals when the human becomes the cheaper thing

@Dan (bizgrower)

I remember clicking on a link that you had posted to the "Wall Street Journal" and I was asked to subscribe or login. I never did see the article.

The link I posted was also to the WSJ. When I clicked on the link, I got the same message - subscribe or log in. Yet, when I did a google search, I was able to click on the link and read the story without subscribing or logging in.

Moral of the story: When posting a link to the WSJ, you will be asked to subscribe or log in. Do a google search and you will not be asked to subscribe or log in.

Question - how is West Africa ever going to eradicate ebola when they are burying bodies improperly? I've seen how they are "disposing" of some bodies where they simply put the bodies in dug graves without a hermetically sealed casket, some victims weren't even in bags.

I know the CDC recommends cremation, and that is being done in some instances, but not all. The poor folks burying these bodies have only a face mask and rubber boots on. Sometimes I've seen gloves, but not very often.

Any thoughts on this?

@waterotter
Unfortunately things won't change until enough relatives and friends die,
or a military level intervention occurs.

One of the articles I posted earlier about burial practices talked about
a guy who took bodies out to an island and buried them there. He
stopped after one of his crew members came down with Ebola.





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With respect to WSJ, I bet that after you read the Googled article and then try to click on another article,
you get the subscription sign up thing.

Jody, I am still reading this... omg. I also have some interesting stats that I will post in a minute.
I have to feed the Italian and maybe have a cigar. hahahahaha.. .ok, I didn't mean maybe.

BRB.

I think the aide subject is what is most frustrating. Why aren't these governments taking action? This has been going on for so long. I honestly feel for these people, but struggle with why we (everyone) keep helping.. I know we have to, my goodness, they need so much, but we're chasing our tails here.

I understand that we cannot police the world. I so get that. However, I do feel that as a world, no one should be suffering and no one should have to live like this when their leaders are living in riches. Including us.

I don't know the answer.

~ Theresa

Lol. Theresa - I've ran out of thanks.

Dang, girl, get some sleep. I hope everything is ok there.

Jody

Yes the countries are living purely on aid - and yet the populations are exploding. We can't really justify supporting countries that have no way of self-sufficiency yet continue to double and triple their populations. Now what happens when the global economy tanks? They stop getting that aid and their population is set for complete inhalation because they don't produce the food, they don't clean their water, they don't do anything but wait for aid. This is mostly a gov created issue and the people should be ditching off governments that are keeping them in this astounding a level of abject ignorance and poverty.

People have to wake up and they have to wake up fast that once an area is pushed over carrying capacity, the only way to contain their problem or lessen it is NOT via aid - it's via immediate negative population growth methods being instituted. Nobody really paid attention to the fact that despite aid there's about a billion starving people in S. Africa. Until now that the poverty and population density and ignorance is causing a global situation. I'm pretty disgusted with our leaders right now - all of them. Everywhere. This situation could have been avoided if appropriate measures for handling poverty would have been instituted decades ago instead of just throwing money at the countries' corrupted, greedy leaders.

The Dallas hospital now admits that the original patient should have been transferred to a specialized center. Just to illustrate how bad that they messed things up, the Medicine Sans Frontières treated thousands of Ebola patients and had only 16 of their staff contracted Ebola. That hospital treated one patient and two of its staff contracted Ebola. The CDC should have much more proactive in the first place. It will lose a lot of prestige and respect around the world because of this.

As a long as there is an animal reservoir, Ebola will always be around. This is the same situation as with the SARS virus in Civet Cats. However, there are now stringent procedures in China for handling civet cats, especially with regards to slaughtering them for food.

Ahh - good points. Did not think about someone moving their pet. No easy answers.

Well it seems now that the second nurse grabbed a commercial flight and exposed 132 people to her Ebola. And people wonder where conspiracy theories come from. Jeezus o petes, you couldn't write stuff like this crap. The flight stopped in 3 cities - the only one I remember is Ft Lauderdale, FL.

I've seen an interview with a doctor, on a show last night, she was explaining how ebola is not that easy to 'get'. You'd have to be in contact with bodily fluids, lots of them, otherwise it's difficult to get the disease.

Or, you can have someone spit on you (like, when you talk with an infected person and a small particle of spit flies over in your eye or something), that would be dangerous but what are the chances.

I may be too much of an optimist, but I think we'll survive this one.

I just saw this, thought it was an interesting read.

Weed Protects You From Ebola - Sasquatch Glass

It's not talking about smokin' a fattie will save you. I will admit that is what I thought initially.

~ Theresa

I don't know much about this subject, so would love to hear everyone's thoughts on this. Is it a crap article or is there some truth to this?
Thanks!

Oh ... I forgot ... Dr. Nancy Snyderman, who really should know better, and who obviously could not be trusted with voluntary quarantine, just had to go get her some take-out food. Fortunately, that NBC crew isn't showing symptoms yet, although one of their crew is being treated for ebola. This crew has been at the heart of the epidemic, but think that going out to a restaurant is more important than our health and peace of mind. So now they are under mandatory quarantine.

CDC boss addresses quarantine violation by NBC News doc Nancy Snyderman - The Washington Post
Dr. Nancy Snyderman 'deeply sorry' for breaking Ebola quarantine - NY Daily News

@Dr. Nancy - NO SOUP FOR YOU!
She could not wait, or have it delivered and left on the porch?
Who is the person who was with her, one of the quarantined crew members?
Or her S/O moving freely around town?

The nurse who flew could not stop herself from flying because she has a slight fever
and had just treated an Ebola patient?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1976153

I don't care one way or the other if Dr. Nancy gets fired. I do know that if I see her
reporting again, I will always remember and think of her in a negative light.


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Dan

That girl strapped to the gurney spent the past weekend about fifteen minutes from my house. We're all just delighted that she came home for a visit.

Why the hell didn't she pass go and go straight to a hospital??? I really question Nurse Vinson's ability to to make sound judgment calls. Maybe her license needs to be revoked? I wouldn't want her caring for me.

Nurse with Ebola virus to be moved out of Dallas

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Are UK Ebola Protocols the Current Gold Standard?

Maybe they should nuke West Africa.

I'm not opposed the right person being in charge. I thought it might be the right CDC director, though. Not the current head of CDC. (I'm in favor of the guy who is now at ABC as Chief Medical correspondent.) Perhaps
the CDC does not have enough teeth for the job of directing everything.

Here is World Net Daily's take. They give McCain credit for the idea. Hopefully she'll
be smart enough to listen to smarter people with the right background.

Obama Ebola czar: Zero medical experience

Good for you, Steve. Stay focused.

I know it has not been the 42 days, but there have not been reports
of anybody showing signs of the disease from the Dallas flying nurse's fiasco.
Usually it's 5 - 6 days for symptoms? and we are about there now.

The chocolate thing. Now that's something to fret about.

Here's part of the problem, if you want to frame it that way: our system of government - our laws - doesn't allow for a 'czar' to have full control over this type of situation.

Somebody earlier remarked that the CDC should have stepped in earlier. They didn't/don't have the statutory authority to. I don't remember the title of the article I read about how public health in the U.S. is a state function or I'd post it, but it describes the difficulty the federal government has in taking over something like this.

I'm not even certain that I'd support giving all that authority to just one person. The damage that could be done could be far worse than the disease itself. I don't know if even the President can legally do everything that people are saying should be done.

Couldn't you just rig up a dialysis machine with a UV light so it nukes the virus in the blood as it passes through?

Stopping most of the traffic from Africa is EASY! It is millennia old!

1. MANDATE repurcussions for ANY country violating these laws!(This was SUPPOSED to be the LAW for over 200 years!!!!!)
2. MANDATE that ALL people flying to the US MUST have a PASSPORT!(This was supposed to be the LAW for over 150 years!!!!)
3. MANDATE that NO IMMIGRANT to another country can get a VIRGIN PASSPORT(This was supposed to be the law for a LONG TIME!)
4. MANDATE that ALL limited countries are to have a VISA! (This was supposed to be the law for a LONG TIME!)
5. MANDATE that all countries violating any such law become a limited country.
6. MANDATE that all airlines check the passports and visas and restrict all limited countries unless they have a proper visa.(AGAIN, SUPPOSED TO BE THE LAW!)
7. MANDATE that any airline violating the laws becomes limited as well.

And THERE you have it! a 7 step plan that would have, up to this point, kept ALL EBOLA out of the US!

If an African national, that was a dutch citizen, tried to get a dutch passport to bypass the law, they would be SHOCKED to find that their passport is STILL tainted, because of rule #3, and they could NOT fly to the US because of rule #4! Of course, they would never make it to Holland because Holland would probably deny the passage, but the airline wouldn't route them to the US, because of rule #7.

Steve

I hope this isn't another "Duncan" repeat:

EBOLA 'SCREENED POSITIVE' PATIENT LEAVES TEXAS HOSPITAL AFTER MERE HOURS OF ISOLATION

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Thanks Suzanne. I didn't know that Carson declined. He's probably not wanting a medical crisis turned into a political one either and decided he needs to decline if he's going to run for office. If anyone sabotaged him at that position, it would mean lives...and maybe a lot of them.

Friedan is nothing but another flacid politician - doing nothing, knowing nothing, just drawing his salary and taking advantage of the "perks". Klein isn't any different -- he's just a lot more experience at the PR work.

Canada Will Send Experimental Ebola Vaccine to WHO - ABC News

I'm hoping this vaccine turns out as promising as it looks ... It's being sent to Africa Monday.

What I knew or didn't about Carson's position, is really a very moot point. I didn't know he said he'd decline - or that it wasn't Obama that asked the question. Big deal. I wish he had been asked and I wish he'd accepted. But....that's neither here nor there is it?

Has anyone caught what I said in one post about the WHO saying that only 95% of ebola victims have a 21 day incubation? 3% is 42 days ...and 2% wasn't even given. Then we also know it incubates in sperm for up to around 3 months. Kewl huh? We have people being tested and released when they can't even actually test in the amount of time they are doing. The US is making diagnoses faster than anywhere else due to technology, but what their doing now, test and release right away isn't going to stop infection if it exists. But it is so much more important to be politically correct than it is to actually protect your citizens. If they had done that with that influx of illegal kids they brought in from South and middle America, we would probably never have had entrovirus here, either. But my god, lets be "fair" and "humane". Right.

At the time I'm furiously pissed off that people have been so damned selfish about traveling while infected. We just got an exec order that will allow them to detain anyone with a respiratory illness. Now if that gets to mean - detained with "others" - a lot of people will die for having a cold or flu and that just pisses me off to no end.

I don't think they'll use the order unless things blow up here - but with the FDA refusing to allow that new testing device that can tell in 10 minutes instead of 48 hours, and flights all over......and people only being watched for 21 days instead of the possible 42 for infection, I am worried about what they're going to do. I have asthma. What if I cough at the wrong time and end up being secluded in a place with people who are infected with that crap? I don't care if you want to quarantine me at home, fine - but do not take me anywhere that there's other people.

Kay - they've been more worried about taking care of everyone else before citizens for a long time. Here illegally? You can get a home, food, car, education, medical care. I'm a 60 year old American woman who has paid taxes. What do you think they'd give me if I crash and need help? I don't have kids. What they would give me is a swift kick to the curb. Oh...well I'm in Central Oregon. I'd get a tent, too.

Sick of this fascist crap. I want my country back.

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After Aids Ebola is the virus who is most harmful for present so urgently need to control Ebola & i am not happy heard that us discover first Ebola case because next day it could be found another country so take care about that virus.

Oh for God's sake you people and your "conspiracy site" mentality are driving me fVcking nuts.

It's right on a Government website - and you can get more info on it if you're not sure how to read them.
Executive Order -- Revised List of Quarantinable Communicable Diseases | The White House

Here's the amendment from 2005:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2005...df/05-6907.pdf

Now here's what is posted on the CDC website:
CDC - SARS - Executive Order 13295 - Revised List Of Quarantinable Communicable Diseases

Notice anything funny? Section C was amended into the executive order in 2005, but the CDC has left out section C on their website, yet section C has never been revoked. THAT is what all the fuss is about. A lot of websites got it wrong........but if you think it's just "conspiracy sites" that are stupid, you have another thing coming to you. Most people have not one damned clue in a a barnyard of clues how to read these things.

What is also mistaken is that Obama wrote this one. He did not - but he did amend it. In effect, the way it is rewritten will allow you to be picked up about any time you have a cough. What people are freaking out most about, though -- is there is no provision on how long you can be held, or what the conditions of the detainment might consist of.

Capish?

ANOTHER thing/ Yesterday, I heard some IDIOT, that was supposedly CONSERVATIVE no less, say the job of the director of the CDC is to basically spin public messages to control panic. That is a bunch of BULL!!!!! A director is supposed to DIRECT! They are supposed to effectively manage the managers, and areas, in a larger business. The end goal is to follow their mission statement!

The mission statement of the CDC(or Center for Disease Control) SHOULD be INSTANTLY obvious to ANYONE! After all, the name says it all. But let's see what the CDC says their mission is!

Mission, Role and Pledge | About | CDC

GEE! The idea of spinning messages is JUST NOT THERE! If you can catch ebola from shaking hands, for example, they should say so! WHY? Because it causes people to rethink the idea of shaking hands, and limits the transmission. Spinning an incorrect message is not only not in the mission statement, but actually works AGAINST it.

ALSO, in their 5 part "pledge", point 4 is "4.Place the benefits to society above the benefits to our institution". The only likely thing I can think of there is that if they make a mistake, have to revise an earlier statement, etc.... That they will come clean and do the right thing EVEN if it irreparably hurts their organization.

Steve

Steve - you mistook what was going on in that clip if it's the one I remember. That was a political stab at the democratic party. It was the Dem party that instated the CDC and it's an election year. Anything that can be used to deseat another party right now will be. Someone just blamed ebola on republicans, too.

Feel very unhappy to hear that because Ebola cause lot of death already

Here's an interesting story about transmission and dogs, which is something I've wondered about. Basically, they know that the dog receives the virus, can shed the virus in feces and saliva, builds up antibodies, and then clears of the virus, seemingly without getting sick. What is a complete unknown is whether or not it can jump from dog to human.

Can Dogs Transmit Ebola? Different Approaches Explained - Forbes

Alas, the end is nigh:

Tori Spelling Quarantined in Hospital With Symptoms of Ebola

Ebola case confirmed in NYC. This will likely lead to another lengthy protocol discussion and a bit of a PR mess. Doctors Without Borders physician Craig Spencer back from West Africa (Guinea) is the patient.



http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/23/health...ase/index.html

Cheers

-don

Whatever, Suzanne, just whatever. I showed you the actual official site where all of our legislative docs are stored. I showed the history of the action and made no attempt to push it off as Obama was the first guy to write the action. Yet you continue to flaunt websites picking it up and running with it. I'm not even going to look at any of them to see what spin they're putting on it. I don't care. I read the actual legislative history and saw the exact writing and know how to check for relevant omissions and implications in the linguistic structures. So you just go ahead and rattle on about conspiracy sites all you want. I just don't care what you think about it. I really don't. A statist is a statist. The only way they seem to understand shyte from shinola is when something is at their own doorstep. Regardless of you pointless and uneducated stance on this one, I still like you and would rather it come to you and everyone you know thinking I'm reactionist or just dead wrong on this one than to see it come to you getting the first hand education on the dangers of this action.

I am not against an action that quarantines sick people actually. As I said, I want to know the parameters, though. All of them. If I were suspected of having something communicable and deadly, I would gladly quarantine myself. No questions asked. Being that I am not against forced quarantine and I would willingly submit, maybe you should ask yourself if you are really judging my reasoning for not liking this particular order accurately, or if you are just thinking I'm against it just because Obama scribbled a signature on a rewrite. Does it make you feel any better that I didn't like the original order either - for the same reasons?

Paul Allen Commits $100 Million To Fighting Ebola

Nina Pham, Nurse Infected With Ebola, Is Now Virus-Free

Rare Footage Shows Discovery Of Ebola In 1976

10 Bizarre Ebola 'Products' People Are Actually Trying To Sell On The Internet


http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/23_r...erica_partner/

Went to two of my grandchildren's birthday party yesterday. My daughter is an emergency room nurse. I asked her if the hospital has trained for ebola. She said yeah, but it's just more or less a joke. There is no special isolation floor for them, there was very little real training. The suits they issued were like the one that the second Dallas nurse wore when she got infected (exposed neck, permeable). Basically, her hospital would be as prepared as the Dallas hospital was in the event that an ebola-infected person arrived at it. It's a very large hospital system ... not some small, little known hospital.

Amber Vinson, Free Of Ebola, To Be Released From Emory University Hospital

Nurse Kaci Hickox Defies Ebola Quarantine In Maine, Goes For Bike Ride

The double talk deception is starting to unravel! A local talkshow host noticed it, and an authority called attention to it ALSO! Probably few viruses really spread via air. The common cold, for example, doesn't spread that way. OH, it CAN spread OVER the air, in droplets, but really not via it. And the same is true of ebola. HECK, the prevalence of purell should prove this! They find that it works well, and provide it because it cuts costs, and it does *****NOTHING***** to affect airborne stuff breathed into the lungs. It works by removing moisture from the hands, etc, which helps to kill pests THERE, and prevents spreading any such infection.

They, WHO, CDC, DOCTORS, etc..., say ebola CAN be spread via water droplets, and can live for DAYS that way! The fact is that the entire digestive, AND respiratory track, have water THROUGHOUT! And coughing, sneezing, shaking hands, etc... Spread virus primarily through WATER, and not the air. Of course, you might not notice it, because it can seem almost like vapor, and is often below a level that can be perceived.

Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Hospitalized Patients with Known or Suspected Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever in U.S. Hospitals | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC

CDC admits droplets from a sneeze could spread Ebola | New York Post

Steve

That nurse said she was okay with being quarantined at home, just not in facilities (tent) that they had put up in a parking lot for her. Then they let her go home and she takes off -- same as that other doctor did.

Kay - I saw that about her being CDC, too - and from a look around, it's accurate. Most people will dis it though because now every "conspiracy" site on the net has picked up the story.

What also is being ignored and is on either the WHO or CDC website (can't remember which I saw it on, but it's probably on both if you look for it --
95% have an incubation of 21 days
3% have an incubation of 42 days - literally twice the normal time.
2% -- nobody's said a word about what the other 2% is all about.

Just saying - 21 days might not make much of a difference in the long run for containment anyway if one of the 3% is out running around.

Also - they are finally admitting that ebola can travel up to 3 feet in the air. That's via aerosol and not actually "airborne".

Lastly - I just heard that Flint, MI just got its first case. That's the city I was raised in a suburb of, so very curious to find out if this was just crap or if it's true. Off to find out if it's true and what's what, though.

Just checked and found that 10 people in MI are being monitored. They aren't sick but came in on flights that are iffy. They aren't under quarantine but are having to check in twice a day for monitoring. Officials aren't saying where they're located though. If I got to put a bet on a square graph of the state, I'd guess Dearborn. Hmmm - where's a bookie when you need one?

I'm going to make an Ebola costume and wear it to a Halloween party, maybe start a flash mob dance to Thriller with a bunch of people dressed as Zombies.That would be awesome.

Look like the only viable solution now is nuking the coast of West Africa.

About Dr. Snyderman:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/bu...446264000&_r=0

Judge issues order enforcing Ebola isolation of defiant Maine nurse | Reuters

So the Maine judge has now changed his ruling. She can now go in public places and plans on dinner and a movie tonight. Can't wait to see the reaction in the restaurant and movie theater. They probably won't have trouble finding a seat in either establishment.

Nurse praises judge's rejection of quarantine

Members of the US military are being quarantined for 21-days when they return from duty in high risk ebola geographic locations, but healthcare workers returning from those same areas (and who most likely have had closer contact with infected people) are not quarantined. Something here does not add up.

Sorry, m'am, you're not welcome in my restaurant.

And by the way, I own the movie theater too.

The planet’s deadliest infectious diseases, by country - Salon.com

Here we go...


Kentucky teacher resigns because she was once on the same continent as Ebola

A comment dissing repubs on election day? Swank. And the commentary is FALSE.

Ethiopia had a outbreak (right next door to Kenya, not continents of space away) but they were able to squelch it. Kenya just had a first ebola death (arrived on a plane) and it has been fighting Marsburg, which for all intensive purposes is the same virus.

As far as I'm concerned - since Ethiopia actually had a pretty healthy little outbreak of the stuff going and managed to stop it -- maybe we should be listening to them tell US about how they did it. Ya think?

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Had a similar conversation recently with someone who insisted that an enterovirus was being brought in by illegal immigrants. I couldn't find any credible source that didn't deny it. He couldn't find a single credible source to support it.

Nonetheless, he remains certain that it's coming in from Mexico and parts south via illegals. Why? "They couldn't say that so often on the news if it weren't true."

Yeah. And according to Abraham Lincoln, nobody ever lies on the Internet...


Paul

Steve,Statistically, the most likely source would be air travel, as there are a lot more people coming into the country that way than on foot over the Mexican border. That assumes, of course, that this isn't a domestic resurgence of the same virus that's been here for decades.

A few things on the question after that. First, is there any evidence that incidence of this virus is higher among illegal immigrants than the general population? Is it higher in Mexico, or other countries to the south from which the majority of these people come?

If so, then the concern may be justified. If not, it's just xenophobia looking for an outlet. The screams that ebola was coming in over the border pretty much fit the latter category.

Just as an aside, higher incidence among a population doesn't necessarily mean they're the source. People in tightly packed quarters, who lack decent nutrition and hygiene facilities, are likely to suffer higher numbers of cases of contagious diseases than those in better conditions.

Then there's the matter of populations that have no antibodies, due to having never been exposed to a disease. See: Native Americans and smallpox.


Paul

Suzanne - it's about like any other flu. There are those that react violently to it and a few who die from it, but the percentages are very low. No more scary than any flu from my take on it. I was just basically telling what I watched go on in the incidence maps. It's actually burning out right now.

Ummm... If it's coming in via illegal immigrants, why is that southern border not a "hot spot?"

Steve,

One would suspect the folks who flew in to be a bit better off than the ones walking across the border, or coming in hidden in trucks. They wouldn't be the most likely candidates for spreading disease.

Regardless, if it's a South American source, it wouldn't necessarily (or even likely) be confined to illegals. This isn't exactly one of those "only strikes the poor" viruses. And it wouldn't light up the security screenings like ebola symptoms.

If Sal is right that it's primarily hit South America, rather than Central America, the illegal immigrants are unlikely to be the source anyway. The majority of illegals coming over the Mexican border are from Mexico and Central American countries.

If Sal can show me a strong correlation between incidents and location of illegal immigrants, I'd take that seriously. That's Real Data. You're just treating all possibilities, however remote, as being of equal or similar probability.


Paul

Kay,

Did he mention what diseases were involved? Assuming it was true, of course, that would be important to know. Along with how well the quarantine was administered.


Paul

Thom,

Thanks.

This one gave me a chuckle:Wanna bet the Fox News crews would deny that?

Fox has this interesting way of starting out with things like "gave or exposed," which people will read as "the agents got sick with." If every word in the Fox story were true, it's still not anything to be getting jumpy over. Treat the kids and get on with whatever plan there is for relocating them, whether to their home countries or somewhere here.

The interesting thing is, Fox is famous for taking the worst possible "What if" position, and none of that one is all that big a deal.

Nothing in either story about enteroviruses.


Paul

Sal,That last is a really good question. One would think the kids coming in on foot, with the conditions they lived and traveled in, would be more likely to have it. And, because of the close quarters and poor sanitation, to spread it.

Even the Fox article Thom pointed to doesn't say anything about it.


Paul

Thom,

Yeah. Network news was the only reason I had cable after a while. It finally got so bad I dumped that and get the news online now. I've also started hiding or unfriending people on Facebook who post a lot of really angry and inflammatory political memes.

On the flip side I've found a few people who can disagree intelligently, and those are folks I pay attention to on a regular basis. Hash through some of those discussions and you can end up somewhere near the truth. Or at least not as far from it as you started.


Paul

Sal,

Are they Mexican? Or Central American?

The impression I got from the second article Thom linked to was largely CA, which is a good chunk of the illegal immigrants coming in over that border.


Paul

The kids flown in were South American. Trying to remember which country - I think Bolivia? I'll have to go back and look at a map, my SA geography is not acute. Plus - it's burned out down there now so I'm not sure if I can pinpoint which country now that it's no longer showing as infecting SA.

Right now all that's going on in Central America is ChikV - and it's in El Paso now so skipped Mexico on that one - as far as any being reported yet anyhow.

All that Mexico has right now is Dengue - not sure where they got it...it's all over India, Pakistan, Malaysia and China and a few countries out that way. I didn't realize Dengue was such a strong virus but there's people dying of it so I guess it's a good one to keep out of here if we can. So far so good.

Edit: Also - I think I said Ethiopia kicked their Ebola - and I meant Nigeria. Libya is still getting hammered, though.

People are moving around the world now. You're going to get diseases spreading - illegals or no illegals. I believe entro was brought here with the SA kids. They were in bad shape. I don't believe it came over the Mexican border. If Dengue ends up in the US near the border - that I will believe was brought in via that border - the outbreak isn't that far south of our border and there are people crossing there. It would be stupid to think that something won't get shuffled. It's flu season for cripes sakes.

Illegals do bring in diseases, that's why we have immigration laws (that are being ignored), but every disease we're getting hit with isn't being brought over that border. Ebola wasn't. Entrovirus wasn't that I can tell because we had it before Mexico did - those kids from SA were the most likely source of that one. If we get swine flu - from what's on the map right now, it will be coming from the Europe/Russia border areas.

The "conspiracy" sites are right that we need closed borders - for a lot of reasons, but just because we get a virus going around it doesn't necessarily mean the illegals brought it in. If anything is coming over the S. Border besides Dengue right now - it's not Mexicans coming over the border bringing it.

It is very surprising and very serious issue for US. Ebola has to be stopped from spreading.

The "scare mongering" has stopped. We're still getting possible cases in, but they aren't being broadcast anymore. Probably because of the intense call to close the borders because of it.

Our immigration laws aren't that much different from Mexico's. Our leaders are actually in violation of our laws by not closing the border. Disease is one good reason. Like you pointed out, though, there's all sorts of good reasons. National sovereignty is one of them. You're not gonna hear Hollywood screaming for it, though - those hollywood rich are employing illegals as domestics very cheaply.

Nurses To Strike Across The Country For Two Days In Protest Of Poor Ebola Protections | ThinkProgress

The Global Incidence map shows that there's a few places that up to 100 people (that one was Conn or a bordering state) are being monitored for it - not sick, just a flight from the right place to monitor. I haven't looked up any newspapers in those areas to see what the locals are saying about it. I'm sure there's at least a few editorials going on, though.

Seriously. I laugh when I see people point out one news source as "propaganda". These people do NOT understand that our mainstream news media is all corporate news. That means corporate owned, not journalists. They report what they are told to report, so whichever spin they take is directed by the corporation, not reporting resulting from active investigative journalism.

I do have a problem with some of the "reporting" that's going on in regard to all this. Just got an email with the headline "2nd US Ebola Fatality".

It is not. We have had no US fatalities. We had 2 people who either came here or returned from Africa who just happened to die on American soil. But so far not one person has caught Ebola from another person here in the US directly.

The sensationalism going on with this whole thing reminds me of why I hate the media and never watch the news.

I'm inclined to agree with that view, Suzanne. If people have this going on and they refuse to change what they are doing to stem it, there's not a lot that anyone else can do, either. I just hope that any flights out of those areas are coming under enough scrutiny to keep the spread light to none. I do feel that anywhere that has not been able to at least contain infection should have flights banned by now, though. If they aren't responsible enough to contain a massive outbreak, we shouldn't be forced to feel they have "rights" to just go wherever. That issue doesn't sit well with me at all.

WATCH: Hollywood Stars Use Awkward Silence To Make A Point About Ebola

Ho crap. This ain't good. Blood samples suspected of ebola infections ....stolen by bandits.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/bandits-gu...105900372.html

Good news on the vaccine being developed

First Human Ebola Vaccine Trial Shows It Seems to Work - NBC News

They plan on vaccinating health care workers by January

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