I think I just found a list of 1,000s + 1,000s of offline bizs that need our help!!...

5 years ago

Isn't Google search string operators awesome!

Have you tried getting in touch with any of the businesses yet?

I think sentiment towards Yelp by local businesses isn't that positive so I'm curious to find out.

Originally Posted by TimothyW

Similar to "unclaimed" google small biz pages.

Unclaimed Yelp small biz pages!

Here's the list...

site:yelp.com "Claim your business page and access your"

When I did that search, I stunned myself!

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5 years ago

Oops!

I think I just found 1,000s upon 1,000s MORE leads...

search = site:angieslist.com "Is this your business?"

Unclaimed ANGIE'S LIST profiles!!

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Originally Posted by TimothyW

Oops!

I think I just found 1,000s upon 1,000s MORE leads...

search = site:angieslist.com "Is this your business?"

Unclaimed ANGIE'S LIST profiles!!

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Smart way of using google. I know i need to bypass the old fashioned search.
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  Very interesting Timothy.
  
  What can you charge for a service like this?
  
  Definitely a "foot in the door"
  
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Freebiequeen1999

5 years ago

Interesting idea, thanks - I did look up some local ones this way and saw some with the "blank/city skyscraper generic yelp motif" and NO info...
but others had pictures and had stuff filled in by the biz (about us, hours etc) but still said "claim it">? Did they claim it wrong?

I also see some that have bad reviews - I am toying with idea of reputation "management" frankly and this is a good way to search yelp

I too would like to hear what others think about pricing? thanks

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5 years ago

This is a great idea, would love to hear how the OP contacts these businesses?

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5 years ago

interesting idea for lots of leads ! how can you make any money on that since the business phone number has to be verified ? same with angies list and I guess with the unclaimed google small business pages ? the owner would have to provide the code , wouldnt they ? thanks for sharing !

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5 years ago

Here's another 2 searches (1,000s upon 1,000s more leads!)...

site:homestead.com
(sites built with homestead.com -- many, many have terrible design -- many, many not responsive -- need mobile site AT LEAST!)

here are 3 I found right off the bat...

Needs site redesign + mobile site -- (although the MUSIC is great!)
Home
(also his video only has 214 views since 2009)

Needs site redesign + mobile site...
Lanzisera Center LLC

Needs mobile site...
Wellspring Personal Care

________________________________

Here's the other search -- also many of these need redesign and/or mobile sites...

Just do a google search with this in quotes... "proudly powered by weebly"

I found these in 90 seconds (all need mobile site)...

Terra Verde Homestead - Our Farm

Playhouse Nashville - HOME

Unbeaten Path ToursCall: 707 888 6121 - Home Page

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5 years ago

ok ...those make more sense and possibly more CENTS....your a search query genius ..!

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Maybe one of the best 'I gotta idea" threads I've read on here.

Powerful stuff if people take action
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  I'm trying it now. I'll report my findings on first contact (in other words, my results)
  
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5 years ago

amazing, thanks for the post! I entered my city after the Yelp search string you listed and found over 3400 search results.

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5 years ago

Yup -- I found yet ANOTHER "golden" search...

site:foursquare.com "Is this your business?"

Unclaimed FOURSQUARE pages!

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Originally Posted by TimothyW

Yup -- I found yet ANOTHER "golden" search...

site:foursquare.com "Is this your business?"

Unclaimed FOURSQUARE pages!

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Hi thanks for all your hard work and good ideas

Sad that some people will rip you off and make bs wso hyping $400 plus a month to "manage" yelp

Tim you provided a good way for any "offline" marketer to find biz that "need help"...biz that are not keeping on top of their own online presence at the very least

You freely gave us all something of real value around here which is far more than I see most doing .....sad that people will hype on it

My own tolerance for bs is pretty low LOL>> but I appreciate your efforts

here are my own free ideas - no wso LOL - use your "search" terms to find these non savvy biz owners and sell them (whatever)...a new or revamped website..."seo" (or whatever you want to call it that they might understand)...."reputation management"...claiming review sites and directories etc..sell them "social media management"...."email management" , etc

if you have some affiliate programs like "yext" they might be good to offer to them

However, for someone to say that local biz will pay $400 per month to "manage" yelp?? Oh please...give me a break
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5 years ago

holy camoly, this is almost as good as midasman!

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5 years ago

If you really want to do this easily, load those searches into scrapebox or a similar software and harvest the listings.

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5 years ago

Charging monthly fees for Yelp management is getting bigger and bigger. Tons of businesses don't even know they have bad reviews on Yelp and they will gladly pay someone $400+/ month for Yelp management services that you can easily outsource.

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by Stryker14

Charging monthly fees for Yelp management is getting bigger and bigger. Tons of businesses don't even know they have bad reviews on Yelp and they will gladly pay someone $400+/ month for Yelp management services that you can easily outsource.

"WSO solution" in 3...2...1

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by IMAnthony

"WSO solution" in 3...2...1

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On that one, you're too late. Been done.

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by TimothyW

On that one, you're too late. Been done.

No, I am not.
Promoting and hyping about useless , full of 'golden nuggets' theories is not the main purpose of this sub-forum.

Hint, nobody is going to pay you +$400 for managing yelp business page. But if you want to believe it and waste your money and get poorer go ahead.

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by IMAnthony

No, I am not.
Promoting and hyping about useless , full of 'golden nuggets' theories is not the main purpose of this sub-forum.

Hint, nobody is going to pay you +$400 for managing yelp business page. But if you want to believe it and waste your money and get poorer go ahead.

Yes -- it is too late (the 3,2,1 countdown) -- Someone is already selling a 'system' for this. $27 w/$47 oto.

Also, you disparage wso promises, etc. (you may very well be right in saying it won't work) -- but then your own sig has a similar "magic" promise!

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by TimothyW

Yes -- it is too late (the 3,2,1 countdown) -- Someone is already selling a 'system' for this. $27 w/$47 oto.

Also, you disparage wso promises, etc. (you may very well be right in saying it won't work) -- but then your own sig has a similar "magic" promise!

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I put the 3...2...1 precisely because some money-begger will promote that wso right here in order to get their affiliate comission or do the job which was hired for, or the owner will try to get more newbies' money by fooling them...just like you are doing right now and thinking that I am following your game without knowing it...but as I said before NOBODY is going to pay you +$400 to 'manage' Yelp pages. Let's keep bumping this thread in order that 'someone' gets some pennies and newbies get a bunch of air in exchange for their money.

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Originally Posted by Stryker14

Charging monthly fees for Yelp management is getting bigger and bigger. Tons of businesses don't even know they have bad reviews on Yelp and they will gladly pay someone $400+/ month for Yelp management services that you can easily outsource.

What is there to manage on a yelp profile? upload a few pix, write a decent piece for the business description, fill out the NAP and respond to reviews, what else??

I would think the only thing that a business would pay for is bad review removal, but that is not possible, or is it?

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by Stryker14

Charging monthly fees for Yelp management is getting bigger and bigger. Tons of businesses don't even know they have bad reviews on Yelp and they will gladly pay someone $400+/ month for Yelp management services that you can easily outsource.

Oh please....they are not going to pay that just to "Manage" yelp

Managing Yelp is a part of managing a companies social media, marketing

Show me where a company pays that monthly, every month, just for Yelp

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by Stryker14

Charging monthly fees for Yelp management is getting bigger and bigger. Tons of businesses don't even know they have bad reviews on Yelp and they will gladly pay someone $400+/ month for Yelp management services that you can easily outsource.

Hi Stryker - I see you just joined but can you take time to show us all the biz who "gladly" pay you $400 plus per month for so called "Yelp Management Services"

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5 years ago

Great suggestions TW, and something you can do with just about any kind of site builder or directory. I like to get a little more specific though and include a business type and/or location in the search like site:yelp.com "Claim your business page and access your" chicago, il dentistThat way you can stick with a certain niche or work with businesses local to you :-)

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5 years ago

even I've bought a wso claiming that i can charge $499 every month for maintaining yelp pages for businesses.

that is we claim their page listings, put eyes on their negative reviews and replying to them and then boom you pocket $499 every blessing month... ha ha haaa...

i haven't tried it though, charging clients for that simple job @$499 per month.

seriously, every business owner can claim their listings on yelp within just 5 minutes. it's as easy as opening email account.

But if we managed to get prospects that still don't know how to claim their yelp listings how much should we charge?

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by zaccks

even I've bought a wso claiming that i can charge $499 every month for maintaining yelp pages for businesses.

that is we claim their page listings, put eyes on their negative reviews and replying to them and then boom you pocket $499 every blessing month... ha ha haaa...

i haven't tried it though, charging clients for that simple job @$499 per month.

seriously, every business owner can claim their listings on yelp within just 5 minutes. it's as easy as opening email account.

But if we managed to get prospects that still don't know how to claim their yelp listings how much should we charge?

Well....not 400 or (egads) $499
whoever is pushing that nonsense should be made to show proof IMHO
so much nonsense

how much to charge?? well you could roll it into a whole package
you could use it as a lever or an add on service

I sincerely doubt many business owners will want ONLY yelp page claimed right?
Make it a part of package
there are also business out there that have NO facebook, or using a personal page as a business page...all sort of goes hand in hand

just claiming yelp page ? JMO maybe $50 as a stand alone since there is nothing to design really....upload a few picstures, type in the info
I would love to see the proof that tons of local biz want to pay $499 for this haha

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5 years ago

If I may miss glass is only 1/4 full... you are WRONG... YES people charge that ALL THE TIME. here try this for example Guaranteed Reputation Management Services - Reputation Enhancer

Somewhere about 2/3 of the way down the page look for "Cost and Pricing" and see exactly what this guy charges. you thought $499 was bad? hahahahaha No stop already. with the oh I'm cheap and no one would charge that much let alone pay that much, because they do, they have and they will.

Originally Posted by Freebiequeen1999

Well....not 400 or (egads) $499
whoever is pushing that nonsense should be made to show proof IMHO
so much nonsense

how much to charge?? well you could roll it into a whole package
you could use it as a lever or an add on service

I sincerely doubt many business owners will want ONLY yelp page claimed right?
Make it a part of package
there are also business out there that have NO facebook, or using a personal page as a business page...all sort of goes hand in hand

just claiming yelp page ? JMO maybe $50 as a stand alone since there is nothing to design really....upload a few picstures, type in the info
I would love to see the proof that tons of local biz want to pay $499 for this haha

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by savidge4

If I may miss glass is only 1/4 full... you are WRONG... YES people charge that ALL THE TIME. here try this for example : Guaranteed Reputation Management Services - Reputation Enhancer

Are you the owner of that website? OR are you working for him? your tracking code let us see you are very dedicated to auto-promote ...reputationenhancer.net/?gclid=Cj0KEQiA0aemBRC8p87zv_mc5qYBEiQAiEEMQeusyZQ LDbC6uPIdJDkj4YtDriTWr9PzkMiX0RQmcFcaArzr8P8HAQ
LOL.

Originally Posted by savidge4

Somewhere about 2/3 of the way down the page look for "Cost and Pricing" and see exactly what this guy charges. you thought $499 was bad? hahahahaha No stop already.

The hahahaha is on you...can't you see that even in the confident & super testimonials there is nothing about yelp?
I mean, at least the owner should have modified the 'super testimonials'.

"YES people charge that ALL THE TIME"....hahahahaha...sure they do...the thing is that nobody pays them, not for just YELP.

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by IMAnthony

Are you the owner of that website? OR are you working for him? your tracking code let us see you are very dedicated to auto-promote ...reputationenhancer.net/?gclid=Cj0KEQiA0aemBRC8p87zv_mc5qYBEiQAiEEMQeusyZQ LDbC6uPIdJDkj4YtDriTWr9PzkMiX0RQmcFcaArzr8P8HAQ
LOL.

I do know the guy, and was on his mailing list at one time... shows how often I clear cookies on the computer at home! - but seriously no affiliation.

Originally Posted by IMAnthony

The hahahaha is on you...can't you see that even in the confident & super testimonials there is nothing about yelp?
I mean, at least the owner should have modified the 'super testimonials'.

"YES people charge that ALL THE TIME"....hahahahaha...sure they do...the thing is that nobody pays that, not for just YELP.

at $12,000 for 3 months does it really matter if its just Yelp specifically or 3 others included... the point is people charge that much. Here is another case and point. With most online services it is usually pretty standard to find some amount of pricing for services. With Reputation Management in particular in the last 6 months or so, the price has gone way up for the big boys, and its simply hard to find a price anywhere for these services.

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by savidge4

at $12,000 for 3 months does it really matter if its just Yelp specifically or 3 others included... the point is people charge that much. Here is another case and point. With most online services it is usually pretty standard to find some amount of pricing for services. With Reputation Management in particular in the last 6 months or so, the price has gone way up for the big boys, and its simply hard to find a price anywhere for these services.

Don't get lost. This thread is specifically about how to approach potential clients who have not claimed their YELP page. And if somebody suggests that business owners 'gladly' will give you +$400 and suggest that by getting a 'wso' that says exactly that it's just to promote it and misslead newbies. And all in order to get some pennies.

Do you know that to claim a business page YELP calls the owner by phone, using the same phone number listed and if you want to use another it has to be verified/approved by Yelp`s staff and it will be published if the business page get claimed?

So, if owner has to answer to verify he is the owner and claim his page... what exactly will be you doing to justify your +$400 charge?

That's the reason why any who wants to make money by offering services like web design, SEO and others like reputation management should AVOID to fall in the hype of some story-tellers.

So NO, people don't pay that much for YELP. Don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched.

Reputation management is another thing. But still is very difficult to land a client for that. Throwing your money away for hype won't change things.

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5 years ago

A phone call with Yelp, A phone call or mailer with Google.. its all the same... and the reality is people pay it.. they DONT KNOW HOW to, and don't want to bother learning. ( Yes I get it... click the button that says "Claim" )

Its NOT what you are selling.. it is HOW you sell it.

Some young punk kid today came to my door and offered to shovel my drive way and quoted me $20, I said ok. It only takes me 10 minutes to do it, but I didn't WANT to. The absolute nerve of this kid going out and making what $60 $80 an hour shoveling snow!

There are 2 variables in life. there is TIME and there is MONEY. those that have the TIME.. do it for themselves. Then there are those with MONEY, that leverage the time of someone else.

Some cheap WSO or not.. this is how business works, and as Ewen would say hitting that person at the "Tipping Point" its game on. Don't hate the Game, just learn how to play.

Originally Posted by IMAnthony

Don't get lost. This thread is specifically about how to approach potential clients who have not claimed their YELP page. And if somebody suggests that business owners 'gladly' will give you +$400 and suggest that by getting a 'wso' that says exactly that it's just to promote it and misslead newbies. And all in order to get some pennies.

Do you know that to claim a business page YELP calls the owner by phone, using the same phone number listed and if you want to use another it has to be verified/approved by Yelp`s staff and it will be published if the business page get claimed?

So, if owner has to answer to verify he is the owner and claim his page... what exactly will be you doing to justify your +$400 charge?

That's the reason why any who wants to make money by offering services like web design, SEO and others like reputation management should AVOID to fall in the hype of some story-tellers.

So NO, people don't pay that much for YELP. Don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched.

Reputation management is another thing. But still is very difficult to land a client for that. Throwing your money away for hype won't change things.

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by IMAnthony

Don't get lost. This thread is specifically about how to approach potential clients who have not claimed their YELP page. And if somebody suggests that business owners 'gladly' will give you +$400 and suggest that by getting a 'wso' that says exactly that it's just to promote it and misslead newbies. And all in order to get some pennies.

If you read the thread from the very beginning, you will understand that NO this thread WAS NOT about that until YOU made it that.

YOU took it from someone sharing a little search tip on how to find leads... to this blown up mess of hysteria. There as a couple of one off posts made that said YEAH charge $499. and it WASNT from the OP.

The OP and myself were simply stating that, hey it can be done, and probably is done. I am sorry I could not find any page on the net that quoted prices for claiming any listing let alone a YELP listing. I would bet if you called a couple of these places you might be shocked at the #'s that get thrown at you.

All of that withstanding.. the reality is in some cases I charge $450 and then $450 a month to set up G Local. there really is no dang difference. ( and NO I am not going to show you "proof" of this, its not like I get checks that say "For G Local set up" )

There is a difference between going through the motions and "Setting up" an account AND setting one up that will actually do something for the client. A pattern of previous success drives the value of YOUR service UP. meaning you can charge more. I will by no means say that this is the case every time, but if the client asks just a few quick questions they could figure it out pretty fast.

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by savidge4

YOU took it from someone sharing a little search tip on how to find leads... to this blown up mess of hysteria. There as a couple of one off posts made that said YEAH charge $499. and it WASNT from the OP.

Do you see hysteria? I see some people trying to defend the theory that you will be rich if you send an email asking +$400 for claiming a business page. Did I said that?

I never replied to the OP anything...but he took my words for him. I guess he needed some attention.

Please, read the thread YOU again my friend.

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All of that withstanding.. the reality is in some cases I charge $450 and then $450 a month to set up G Local. there really is no dang difference. ( and NO I am not going to show you "proof" of this, its not like I get checks that say "For G Local set up" )

Here is how you get lost. Reputation management and Yelp pages are co-related. But, there is a HUGE difference between managing Google+, Yelp, Facebook local fan pages, Yellow pages, bad testimonials on first page of Google from x website ALL together and charging money for that and charging +400 for claiming a YELP page alone. This last one is where you try to ripoff the client.
And of course, you show no proof because you can't.

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5 years ago

Yeah....well let's see how many small biz owners are at that tipping point where they will pay you $499 to claim a yelp page

Proof ...not some guy's website

anybody can put up a website and claim anything or offer anything

Maybe I can offer cans of Diet Pepsi for $200 each...doesn't mean anyone bought them does it?

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by Freebiequeen1999

Yeah....well let's see how many small biz owners are at that tipping point where they will pay you $499 to claim a yelp page

Proof ...not some guy's website

anybody can put up a website and claim anything or offer anything

Maybe I can offer cans of Diet Pepsi for $200 each...doesn't mean anyone bought them does it?

To be more accurate, the claim is that biz owners will pay $500 (approx) per month to monitor and maintain their yelp page, not just set it up.

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Maybe I can offer cans of Diet Pepsi for $200 each...doesn't mean anyone bought them does it?

You can do EXACTLY that... but the catch here.. again its NOT what you are selling.. its HOW you sell it. try to sell a can of Diet Pepsi down the street from a 7-11, and you probably wont sell much. but set yourself up in the middle of the Saraha desert and some lost souls happen apon your place.. it could more than happen.

Its called positioning. Its to whom and HOW you market your services. I was charging $2500 for a wordpress website. CRAZY right? I sold and completed more last year than you probably will in the next 5 years, if not longer. because I positioned myself correctly and targeted a market that was more than willing to pay.

A few years back ( 1995 to be exact ) I was driving from Seattle, WA. to Anchorage, AK. Drove through British Columbia and Yukon Canada. About 200 miles south of the Yukon BC border I ran out of cigarettes. I smoked Marlboro Reds at the time. If you have ever been deep into Canada and are a smoker you know that they don't sell the same brands that we have here.

I bought a pack of Players.. well they suck IMO. as we were pulling out of whatever town we were in we stopped to get gas and they had a pack of Reds. I asked for them at the counter and the guy looked at me straight in the eyes and said: "That will be $50 USD please" and I handed him the $50. ( the exchange rate would have made them $75 Canadian, back then )

I wasn't mad.. I didn't feel robbed.. they were the best tasting Cigarettes I had ever had!

Just like qu4rk said "Price is Relative". your pricing and mine are relatively different!
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5 years ago

I'm not surprised by peoples reactions to what savidge4 is saying. But he is spot on. Most people don't value themselves enough to charge what they are worth. I think Jason is the best example of this. He uses a value-base approach, meaning he will say. How much is this costing you? Ok, I will fix your $100,000 problem & charge you only $20,000. Where as the commodity seller says, I can do that for $199 without qualifying, investigating, asking budget, etc. Then, the commodity seller wonders why nobody is buying what he/she is peddling.

Same problem, same work, two different approaches. Is one ripping the owner off? Price is relative. So, for those thinking it's laughable to charge $x to claim & maintain a single Yelp listing...there are people laughing at you because they know that you will never compete with them.

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by qu4rk

I'm not surprised by peoples reactions to what savidge4 is saying. But he is spot on. Most people don't value themselves enough to charge what they are worth. I think Jason is the best example of this. He uses a value-base approach, meaning he will say. How much is this costing you? Ok, I will fix your $100,000 problem & charge you only $20,000. Where as the commodity seller says, I can do that for $199 without qualifying, investigating, asking budget, etc. Then, the commodity seller wonders why nobody is buying what he/she is peddling.

Same problem, same work, two different approaches. Is one ripping the owner off? Price is relative. So, for those thinking it's laughable to charge to claim & maintain a single Yelp listing...there are people laughing at you because they know that you will never compete with them.

Some biz's spend $500/month on paper clips.

Biz's come in all KINDS of sizes - which means there are all KINDS of
amounts of money "at risk" when a company is not "in control" of
its yelp page, etc.

There are many services to which many biz owners will react like this...
"You mean I can write a CHECK that will solve that?!?
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5 years ago

Originally Posted by qu4rk

Price is relative. So, for those thinking it's laughable to charge to claim & maintain a single Yelp listing...there are people laughing at you because they know that you will never compete with them.

What it's laughable is that some people have as hobby to tell nonsense stories but can't show any proof of what the say....just empty words.

Once a client realizes these kind of 'marketers' were fooling them by charging the hundreds for nothing (if any paid that) just will kick their a** and there they will have their relativity.

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by IMAnthony

What it's laughable is that some people have as hobby to tell nonsense stories but can't show any proof of what the say....just empty words.

Once a client realizes these kind of 'marketers' were fooling them by charging the hundreds for nothing (if any paid that) just will kick their a** and there they will have their relativity.

Exactly.....what a way to build a really bad reputation. Hit and run
I think it is sad that someone would post a wso and mislead people....put up or shut up...let's see how many businesses he has paying him all that money per month just to "manage" their yelp page?

Get real - Yelp is very strict about fake reviews so you can't do that....you could "reply" in the "voice" of the biz owner to a bad review...and that would be a part of reputation management

Shameful crap IMHO.

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5 years ago

A while back, there was a thread about Yellow Pages building thousands of one page websites for small businesses and charging $79 a month. It was touted as a goldmine of potential customers for a mobile site.

I spent a week researching one page sites built by YP and making 100 before and after mobile site mock-ups with each business' actual website. Then, I printed full color mailing pieces. My cost for 100 pieces mailed was $125, including postage. I figured the worst I would do is 2 sales or 2% which is the average direct mail response. Even a 1% response would make me money. Do you want to know my results?

I made zero sales ... none! Plus, I had a nixie rate of approximately 20% ... mailings returned to me because of a bad address. My dreams of big money was shot full of holes.

Since then, I've learned that businesses who have small one to three page websites built for them do not see the value in any additional web presence, including mobile sites, SEO optimization, listing claims, etc. They just want a simple online presence and that's it ... period! And to convince them otherwise is an extremely hard sell.

What's better is to find the businesses who are already spending money on advertising ... paid listings that are usually on the right side of the page or highlighted at the top of the page. These people are already sold on the value of having more presence online and are a much easier sale.

You can find paid listings on nearly all online directories including Yelp, Google, CityPages, YP, Kudzu, CityVoter, Merchant Circle, and many more. Remember to target only the businesses who already pay money for some kind of online promotion and you should do okay.

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by jercarbra

A while back, there was a thread about Yellow Pages building thousands of one page websites for small businesses and charging $79 a month. It was touted as a goldmine of potential customers for a mobile site.

I spent a week researching one page sites built by YP and making 100 before and after mobile site mock-ups with each business' actual website. Then, I printed full color mailing pieces. My cost for 100 pieces mailed was $125, including postage. I figured the worst I would do is 2 sales or 2% which is the average direct mail response. Even a 1% response would make me money. Do you want to know my results?

I made zero sales ... none! Plus, I had a nixie rate of approximately 20% ... mailings returned to me because of a bad address. My dreams of big money was shot full of holes.

Since then, I've learned that businesses who have small one to three page websites built for them do not see the value in any additional web presence, including mobile sites, SEO optimization, listing claims, etc. They just want a simple online presence and that's it ... period! And to convince them otherwise is an extremely hard sell.

What's better is to find the businesses who are already spending money on advertising ... paid listings that are usually on the right side of the page or highlighted at the top of the page. These people are already sold on the value of having more presence online and are a much easier sale.

You can find paid listings on nearly all online directories including Yelp, Google, CityPages, YP, Kudzu, CityVoter, Merchant Circle, and many more. Remember to target only the businesses who already pay money for some kind of online promotion and you should do okay.

In short, don't target broke businesses.

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5 years ago

I'm not sure what the truth is in this particular case -- but...

using that same logic, many of the services "we" offer would result
in disaster if/when our clients ever stumbled upon fiverr - for the same kind of reason.

To varying degrees, a lot of what "we" do is arbitrage. Every profitable biz buys low and sells high. -- That's what *profit* IS! It's a matter of DEGREE, whether we cross the line into "gouging," resulting in our clients getting pissed off, when they "find out" what we're doing.

There's no way we can condemn the overall concept, because that's what ALL businesses do.
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5 years ago

Originally Posted by TimothyW

I'm not sure what the truth is in this particular case -- but...

using that same logic, many of the services "we" offer would result
in disaster if/when our clients ever stumbled upon fiverr - for the same kind of reason.

To varying degrees, a lot of what "we" do is arbitrage. Every profitable biz buys low and sells high. -- That's what *profit* IS! It's a matter of DEGREE, whether we cross the line into "gouging," resulting in our clients getting pissed off, when they "find out" what we're doing.

There's no way we can condemn the overall concept, because that's what ALL businesses do.
Even the IRS *DEMANDS* that we do it!!! (profit motive)

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Actually I think a lot of the fivver "arbitrage" stuff is also junk JMO of course. The desire to chase pennies and basically "get over" on local business owners is not a formula for a long term biz. But oh well

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by Freebiequeen1999

Actually I think a lot of the fivver "arbitrage" stuff is also junk JMO of course. The desire to chase pennies and basically "get over" on local business owners is not a formula for a long term biz. But oh well

I wasn't recommending that biz model.
I was only pointing out that ALL biz models are arbitrage of one form or another.
Saying this one or that one is no good because it is "too much" arbitrage, seems arbitrary. It's a spectrum -- but ALL biz models are that spectrum -somewhere.
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5 years ago

Originally Posted by TimothyW

I wasn't recommending that biz model.
I was only pointing out that ALL biz models are arbitrage of one form or another.
Saying this one or that one is no good because it is "too much" arbitrage, seems arbitrary. It's a spectrum -- but ALL biz models are that spectrum -somewhere.
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Sorry I hate the Playah's LOL....

Tim you posted a great thread...it seems someone took your idea and put up a really stupid fake wso with totally bs numbers..if you can find someone to pay you $499 a month to "manage" a yelp page please show us

I have to laugh that you "thanked" some never seen person who made his 4th post claiming how easy it is to find biz owners to pay $400 a month for "yelp management"

Really some of the stuff here is beyond belief....pipe dreams

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by Freebiequeen1999

Sorry I hate the Playah's LOL....

Tim you posted a great thread...it seems someone took your idea and put up a really stupid fake wso with totally bs numbers..if you can find someone to pay you $499 a month to "manage" a yelp page please show us

I have to laugh that you "thanked" some never seen person who made his 4th post claiming how easy it is to find biz owners to pay $400 a month for "yelp management"

Really some of the stuff here is beyond belief....pipe dreams

Sometimes I thank people just for contributing to a thread.
The wso in question is by Luther Landro.
$27 for main offer - $47 OTO.
Thing is, well respected affiliates sold it too, claiming all the figures
are legit. So, you're saying these "trusted" affiliates are just-plain full 'o crap?
You can't even trust the "trusted" ones?
One even said HE was gonna do this whole biz model himself, and do
it HEAVILY in 2015.

Just a plain old fashioned bunch of BS? Is it that simple?

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by TimothyW

Sometimes I thank people just for contributing to a thread.
The wso in question is by Luther Landro.
$27 for main offer - $47 OTO.
Thing is, well respected affiliates sold it too, claiming all the figures
are legit. So, you're saying these "trusted" affiliates are just-plain full 'o crap?
You can't even trust the "trusted" ones?
One even said HE was gonna do this whole biz model himself, and do
it HEAVILY in 2015.

Just a plain old fashioned bunch of BS? Is it that simple?

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Yes....show me the money LOL

actually who is to say they are "well respected"? I recently looked back on a few programs in a field I am personally interested in and many of the websites are "gone" poof....no response from most of the so called guru's who wrote reports even last year

who says they are "trusted"? why would I trust them??
As far as "reviews" go I guess I can get hosting for a penny and put up a blog and get some people on Fivver to spin reviews for me so that I can beg (oh please please) for a "review copy"...sounds like a plan huh?

Are there good wso's out there? I guess - I think some may offer a real plan - like the Bob Ross 9x12 and the web agency one by Nameless has very detailed reviews and seems to be a lot bigger/more detailed

but for someone to just pull some idea out of their head? sorry no thanks

for instance that facebook "restaurant" plug in - I pointed out the guy who was pushing the wso has a dummy site - no likes etc...to show off his software -
but there is NO proof this works in the "real world" or is salable - or that people will like it or that facebook will even permit it

talk the talk or walk the walk?? I say put on your walking shoes LO

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by Freebiequeen1999

Sorry I hate the Playah's LOL....
Tim you posted a great thread...it seems someone took your idea and put up a really stupid fake wso with totally bs numbers..if you can find someone to pay you $499 a month to "manage" a yelp page please show us

Freebiequeen, you just gave him the exact excuse he was waiting for to advertise the *someone's* name who published that WSO.

Originally Posted by Freebiequeen1999

Are there good wso's out there? I guess - I think some may offer a real plan

And it seems you already did your job too.

While I think that this type of queries give us some kind of source of leads, it's very deceptive that some people think and sell the idea of that just by sending an email they will get hundreds of dollars and then they will hire someone on Fiverr to do this job. Pure dreams.
Business owners are aware of internet. If some 'big dogs' how some name them, invest thousands of dollars in promoting his business on the Internet... Do you think that they haven't claimed his page already? C' mon.

On the other hand, those who don't want to spend money at all, will go to freelancer sites and will hire the cheapest one to do this job for them. Or will tell their son, niece, friend, son's friend, employee, etc. to take care of that for them.

Thats how a business owner thinks.

Newbie: don't get impressed by some theories which the only purpose of it is to take your money.

There are not 'respected' people. There is no respect if the only reason why they send emails to you is to get their affiliate comission from your money.

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by IMAnthony

Freebiequeen, you just gave him the exact excuse he was waiting for to advertise the *someone's* name who published that WSO.

I kinda resent your (paranoid) backhanded insult. You have no basis in reality to make that nonsense accusation. Ease up on the conspiracy theories, ok?

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Originally Posted by TimothyW

I kinda resent your (paranoid) backhanded insult. You have no basis in reality to make that nonsense accusation. Ease up on the conspiracy theories, ok?

Don't let it get to you Tim. It gets ugly in here sometimes. People are so territorial, and ready to lash out at any and everything... that I'm surprised there is any learning.

Someone can share a perfectly workable idea and others will down trod it just because it conflicts with something they are selling... Newbies are screwed, wondering which way to go. Too much bickering. I use to be a part of it, but after having been gone awhile and having gotten into a different vibe, it is shockingly ugly to rediscover.

When you are in it, you are oblivious to how ugly it is from the outside.

Personally, I got enough value from your post to bring me good without buying a thing from anyone.
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5 years ago

Originally Posted by TimothyW

I kinda resent your (paranoid) backhanded insult. You have no basis in reality to make that nonsense accusation. Ease up on the conspiracy theories, ok?

And you are insulting me by replying in thay way... well not really, I'm not trying that somebody gets banned. But your attitude remember me some moderators' personality.
Use gloves, that will prevent you from getting your hands hurt.

It's not an acussation. It's a fact. And yes, I do have basis for it. Read your full thread again.

Google search queries are good as I mentioned bfore. They can be 1) a good source of potential leads 2) give us ideas on how to search just by modifying them.
Your insertion of WSOs & author names are not. Advertising indirectly out of thin air methods using this type of threads is what is deceptive.

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by IMAnthony

Advertising indirectly out of thin air methods using this type of threads is what is deceptive.

Nothing deceptive about it, and it wasn't done out of thin air.
You sir, are seeing things that don't exist.

By the way, it's not necessary to add (but I will), because it's obvious...
I said the name of the person in an environment where is was more damning to that person than an "advertisement."

Again I say, you are seeing things that do not exist, and it doesn't look good on you. You're better off posting things like that in the survivalist forums I'm quite sure you must belong to.

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by TimothyW

Nothing deceptive about it, and it wasn't done out of thin air.
You sir, are seeing things that don't exist.
By the way, it's not necessary to add (but I will), because it's obvious...
I said the name of the person in an environment where is was more damning to that person than an "advertisement."

Have you bought it? Have you implemented it? Have you made any money using it?

There was no need to mention it. Who asked for the name and OTO prices and all? Nobody.
But then you still advertise them. As you said there was no need. But you still did.

I'm thinking that you are one of those 'respected' affiliates who promoted it.

I have a gift for you.
I'll give you some queries in order you do another 'super' method and sell it for $27:

Type in Google's search box: site:wix.com inurl:contact [keyword/niche] [city]

Contact them by email and say that they are losing money by having an ugly website, and that they won't rank in first page of Google. Say them that you charge about $1997 (you already know that you NEVER say $2000 ) but for today you are taking 50% OFF for the next 24 hours and you will make for them a wonderful website that will convert like crazy! Then just wait for their reply, and when they do just send a Paypal invoice. Get the money and order a GIG on fiverr to get the website done. You will get $993 IN PURE CASH!!

When you launch it, please let me know, I will give you my money... it will be a NO-BRAINER deal

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by IMAnthony

Or do you need more queries?

Can you please explain what you mean by "queries" in this case.
But, please, when typing your response, keep BOTH feet in the square marked "sanity."

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by TimothyW

Can you please explain what you mean by "queries" in this case.
But, please, when typing your response, keep BOTH feet in the square marked "sanity."

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Well...then maybe my first thought was right...you shared some nice info...stuff that would be a good way to find small biz who need "help"....claiming yelp would be one way to approach...

then a few days later 'someone' made a wso....with total skewed numbers, unreal claims...and is promoting it. Then someone else popped in out of the blue and made those same unrealistic claims

Honest to God I hope the powers that be clean up the wso claims and nonsense

It is really sad to see how many of these "dreams" end up with the "guru" no where to be found. No support. Website down.

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by Freebiequeen1999

Well...then maybe my first thought was right...you shared some nice info...stuff that would be a good way to find small biz who need "help"....claiming yelp would be one way to approach...

then a few days later 'someone' made a wso....with total skewed numbers, unreal claims...and is promoting it. Then someone else popped in out of the blue and made those same unrealistic claims

Honest to God I hope the powers that be clean up the wso claims and nonsense

It is really sad to see how many of these "dreams" end up with the "guru" no where to be found. No support. Website down.

I think I need to proofread your post again. Nowhere did I see the words "I apologize."

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PS: The offer in question was never a wso - therefore the "wso powers that be" cannot do anything about it.

PPS: That post was directed at the IMAnthony person. But if you'd like to take a stab at it (assuming you 2 truly are 2 different people, of course). When he asked, "Or do you need more queries?", what is meant by "queries," in this case? Again, when/if you answer that question, please keep BOTH feet in the square marked "sanity."

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by TimothyW

I think I need to proofread your post again. Nowhere did I see the words "I apologize."

Or are the meds on time-release?

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PS: The offer in question was never a wso - therefore the "wso powers that be" cannot do anything about it.

PPS: That post was directed at the IMAnthony person. But if you'd like to take a stab at it (assuming you 2 truly are 2 different people, of course). When he asked, "Or do you need more queries?", what is meant by "queries," in this case? Again, when/if you answer that question, please keep BOTH feet in the square marked "sanity."

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Are you writing a sales letter?

PPPS:I guess you need a little more of practice.

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Originally Posted by IMAnthony

Are you writing a sales letter?

PPPS:I guess you need a little more of practice.

Please stop embarrassing yourself.
Thanks (and I think I speak for all of us).

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by TimothyW

Please stop embarrassing yourself.
Thanks (and I think I speak for all of us).

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Now you think....

What about if you just think?

Well, actually that would be good and a lot of people really will thank you, specially those that can't have their thread bumped because of yours.

I'd be embarrased if I promoted a bunch of theories in order to get money and then I would have to hide my face.
Any way it's too late. And as you have provided good ways to find potential source of leads but you have advertised a bunch of air and no have any valid argument I'll be replying when you say something that makes sense.

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5 years ago

Originally Posted by IMAnthony

Now you think....

What about if you just think?

Well, actually that would be good and a lot of people really will thank you, specially those that can't have their thread bumped because of yours.

I'd be embarrased if I promoted a bunch of theories in order to get money and then I would have to hide my face.
Any way it's too late. And as you have provided good ways to find potential source of leads but you have advertised a bunch of air and no have any valid argument I'll be replying when you say something that makes sense.

Y'know - I gotta admit it. You're absolutely right.
People should avoid crazy, income-based claims + promises.
Thanks for the reminder.

You just SAVED me from clicking on a shady, suspect link that says,
"Are You Ready to Make Money? ----->How I Made $2000 USING LINKEDIN! "

Sure sounds scammy to me.

Oh, wait... that's YOUR SIG!

ROFLMAO!

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IvoryPearl

5 years ago

I went on yelp and agree with you on how this yelp can be used to contact businesses and offer a web design remodel for them. Some of these sites are just plain tacky...

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xlfutur1

5 years ago

This has grown into an interesting thread.

Getting $499 to claim a Yelp listing might be completely out of line, but how about just offering the biz owner some help on claiming it themselves?

Take a few minutes to help a struggling business owner out and you'll most likely make a friend that will seek your advice on other marketing methods that will help grow their business. As we all know, there are many and you can charge accordingly for those services.

Ultimately, every offline business owner has their own perception of value (or perceived value) and they will be willing to pay based on that perception. Many are cheap as hell, and others will fork over money for the most simple things you do for them.

I like the classic Jay Abraham approach that says.....

"if I can make you an additional dollar that you wouldn't have earned from what you are currently doing in your business, would you be willing to pay me 10 cents of that dollar in return?"

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TimothyW

5 years ago

So their secret plan is: Just Lie.
Is that it?

I thought I already sorted out who's full of crap, and who isn't.
You're saying, "Nope. They're pretty much all full of crap."

Yes?

-- TW

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User-Name

5 years ago

good to see you are learning how to use the google site: search operator.
Because you think these businesses need your help how do you contact them?

Interesting thread on WSOS
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...s-rife-wf.html

I use linkedin to make a little bit more then $2000

Andrew

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Freebiequeen1999 5 years ago

Great...well Luther Landro apparently is not replying to some questions and so forth....no proof he actually "did" this....really nothing there of substance

smoke and mirrors

I wonder if this is just an addiction for some people since they stopped internet gambling??

I agree - business owners are not stupid...that is why many of them have a real business LOL

You can't expect to get ongoing clients, referrals if you are only there to make a quick buck. I hate that mentality and have zero respect for it
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John Durham

5 years ago

Brilliant thread! The best I have seen in awhile. Agreed.

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vndnbrgj

5 years ago

Mods, please lock/close this thread.
This shit has gotten outta control.

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TimothyW 5 years ago

Originally Posted by vndnbrgj

Mods, please lock/close this thread.
This shit has gotten outta control.

Sounds good to me. I just get ruffled when I'm falsely accused of something -- by "two" people. Especially when the accusations are are baseless, illogical, and paranoid. (read: THEY started it).

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