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Business zero capital

by thet
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What kind of business can be started with zero capital with the potential to build a company that gets costumers and make profit?
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  • Profile picture of the author helisell
    Steal 2 spoons from a cafe and go busking in the streets.

    You might not make much but it will be zero capital ;0)
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  • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
    I'm not sure what you mean by zero capital.

    You mean no business cards, no phone lines, no marketing, no gasoline, no food?

    I'm not sure any business can really start with zero capital.
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      Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

      I'm not sure what you mean by zero capital.

      You mean no business cards, no phone lines, no marketing, no gasoline, no food?

      I'm not sure any business can really start with zero capital.
      No money. So something like bootstrapping (not sure if that's still viable)
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        Originally Posted by thet View Post

        No money. So something like bootstrapping (not sure if that's still viable)
        There is a way.

        Decide what business you want to be in.
        Find someone who is successfully running a business that you would like.
        Work for that person, with the idea of starting your own business.
        Learn everything you need, at least for 6 months.
        Open your own business with the money you made while working there.

        That's how I opened my first retail store. First I worked for an incredibly profitable retail store owner. I told him my idea. He taught me everything I needed to know.

        I made a profit from the first week.

        You can do this with any business.
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  • Profile picture of the author helisell
    Sorry I couldn't resist the joke earlier.

    I actually started with virtually no capital.

    It can be done but it takes a while.
    The main things you need are:

    1. An idea. I started because my idea was that I could produce better quality material than my competitors and I could do it at no extra cost to me or them.

    2 The will to do whatever it takes to start making money.

    Go to it
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      Originally Posted by helisell View Post

      Sorry I couldn't resist the joke earlier.

      I actually started with virtually no capital.

      It can be done but it takes a while.
      The main things you need are:

      1. An idea. I started because my idea was that I could produce better quality material than my competitors and I could do it at no extra cost to me or them.

      2 The will to do whatever it takes to start making money.

      Go to it
      My question might have been a bit laughable too. I can't just quit my job because i have obligations. Putting my savings into it is not an option at this point.

      Just want to start a project where i can learn a thing or two. Learn some entrepreneurship for when the moment comes that i can invest or harvest a great idea
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    SEO, Web design, Logo Design, any kind of Graphic Design..... article writing, content creation... lots of online stuff, but that still requires a computer and internet connection.
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    Start a house cleaning business using the customer's supplies and equipment at first. Then start buying your own as time goes by. Get better customers, start hiring, etc.

    You could probably do the same with lawn care. Just find something where the tools and equipment are in place where you just step in and provide labor and use that to start.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
    One doesn't always have to leave the company to become an entrepreneur. Some companies will support your initiatives. Start working like a Trep inside. You can learn a lot this way.

    Whatever you do, don't start from scratch off in left field. These transitions are the most difficult to make. Start doing something that is in in line with your current skill set. You can use the inventory of experience to get started, and then you only have to learn the business operations side of things.

    Starting from zero, learning a whole new kind of skill, while at the same time learning how to operate a business is a recipe for long-term struggle.

    So, pick something compatible, and build your way out of your current position.
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      Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

      One doesn't always have to leave the company to become an entrepreneur. Some companies will support your initiatives. Start working like a Trep inside. You can learn a lot this way.

      Whatever you do, don't start from scratch off in left field. These transitions are the most difficult to make. Start doing something that is in in line with your current skill set. You can use the inventory of experience to get started, and then you only have to learn the business operations side of things.

      Starting from zero, learning a whole new kind of skill, while at the same time learning how to operate a business is a recipe for long-term struggle.

      So, pick something compatible, and build your way out of your current position.
      People always tell me i have a great talent for writing. Don't want to be an author but perhaps something like copywriting is an option.

      It's in line with what i do now (telemarketing). I am now b2b, i think i am more interested in b2c but that's just a nuance.
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        Originally Posted by thet View Post

        People always tell me i have a great talent for writing. Don't want to be an author but perhaps something like copywriting is an option.

        It's in line with what i do now (telemarketing). I am now b2b, i think i am more interested in b2c but that's just a nuance.
        Writing and copywriting are two different things. You could probably start a few niche sites, blogs, etc.... site flipping is extremely easy to do and can lead to an extra 1-2K/mo with little effort.
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        Originally Posted by thet View Post

        People always tell me i have a great talent for writing. Don't want to be an author but perhaps something like copywriting is an option.

        It's in line with what i do now (telemarketing). I am now b2b, i think i am more interested in b2c but that's just a nuance.
        You could follow the process in this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...questions.html

        Exact same process - just sell copywriting. The problem is that you are going to spend a lot of time fulfilling instead of selling.

        In the other thread - we have a guy with a skill but hasn't been able to get started selling.

        You are the opposite - you know how to sell, and are looking for a place to apply it. Looking for a skill.

        In my opinion, you already have the skill - selling. I think you should branch out with that skill.

        If you take up copywriting, you are going to have trouble balancing selling vs fulfillment. Eventually, you are going to want to outsource your copywriting because outsourcing your sales would be a mistake until the business is really up and running.

        One option would be to find someone who is decent at copy, and try to partner with them. You sell they fulfill. But don't just outsource to them - partner with them.

        This will take you to a whole other level of accountability and steer you toward different people.

        Forget looking on the freelance sites for cheap copywriters. Forget the WF. Most of the copy you sell will not be WSO style sales pages. It is likely you will be writing brochures, posters, landing pages, and creating page content for websites.

        New businesses are a great source of people needing this type of work. You can buy lists of new businesses and start calling.

        To find a partner - start networking. Find someone creative, just out of college, who has free time and is interested.

        Come up with some packages and sell them - giving a certain amount to the partner. This may not be a true "partner" in the sense that you both own the business. Rather, I say it to mean someone who you know and see regularly. It is still a kind of outsourcing agreement.

        There are probably enough new businesses in your area who need copy. Don't forget to find design firms (smaller and larger) who would like to use you on projects.

        I was part of a venture a few years back and we had 4 recent college grads working for $10 an hour on the projects. It worked very well. We sold the product, coached them, and they got a LOT of great experience out of it.

        I saw copy firm once that ONLY writes "About Us" pages for websites. That is it! They promise to take your "About" page to a different level. How many calls would you have to make to sell this? Not many I think. And it would be easy to find prospects. I bet they are making decent money, and probably upsell to other forms of content.
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    Good point Dan. I don't have the copywrite skill. I am not that great at sales either haha So let's not focus to much on building a copywriting business where I am the sales monster.

    I am way more the analytical type who loves to think. That has been my flaw, because I never was much of a do-er which made me start to late on many things.

    Now I want to channel my talents and make it into something me and my girlfriend can live the life of our dreams.

    Its not about avoiding 9 to 5. I am willing to work till late at night. To me, it's about fairness.
    Being an employee is never fair.
    They always pay you the least possible and that ladder is so goddamn slow....

    At some point i need to branche out on my own to get fair market value.
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      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      Good point Dan. I don't have the copywrite skill. I am not that great at sales either haha So let's not focus to much on building a copywriting business where I am the sales monster.

      I am way more the analytical type who loves to think. That has been my flaw, because I never was much of a do-er which made me start to late on many things.

      Now I want to channel my talents and make it into something me and my girlfriend can live the life of our dreams.

      Its not about avoiding 9 to 5. I am willing to work till late at night. To me, it's about fairness.
      Being an employee is never fair.
      They always pay you the least possible.

      At some point i need to branche out on my own to get fair market value.
      I disagree with so much of what you just said. First - if you are not a do-er, you cannot be in business.

      Forget fairness. That has nothing to do with this conversation. Being an employee is absolutely fair. You asked for the job, and are being paid what you agreed to.

      You will never be able to become a big earner in any capacity until you take control of your discipline and become a MASSIVE do-er.

      It is highly likely that your own business will require much, much more work than your job, and will pay you far less for several years.

      Procrastination and over-thinking are success killers.

      My advice would be you learn discipline while you have a job. Push yourself to become the very best seller in the company.

      If you start a business before you learn that discipline, life will discipline you instead. You have to learn it either way.

      Just from you post above, I am not sure you are ready to go on your own.
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      • Profile picture of the author thet
        Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

        I disagree with so much of what you just said. First - if you are not a do-er, you cannot be in business.

        Forget fairness. That has nothing to do with this conversation. Being an employee is absolutely fair. You asked for the job, and are being paid what you agreed to.

        You will never be able to become a big earner in any capacity until you take control of your discipline and become a MASSIVE do-er.

        It is highly likely that your own business will require much, much more work than your job, and will pay you far less for several years.

        Procrastination and over-thinking are success killers.

        My advice would be you learn discipline while you have a job. Push yourself to become the very best seller in the company.

        If you start a business before you learn that discipline, life will discipline you instead. You have to learn it either way.

        Just from you post above, I am not sure you are ready to go on your own.
        Here is where I am stuck now. The bolded part.

        At my current job, I work 9 - 5.

        I get home around 5.30. I fix dinner, 3 times a week I work-out. Sometimes 4.

        I watch a movie with my GF (once or twice a week). I read a good book. Probably 2-3 a week.

        Just the usual stuff what people in a relationship do. Shopping, etc.

        Let's say I buy the focus thing (which I do, I think the result why I am where I am career-wise is because I never focussed and kept jumping to the greener grass on the other side, now, I don't really have a true skill because of this. I am a master of none. Not even a jack of all trades.

        So, let's say I focus 100% on sales and try to become the best sales guy there ever was. My job is still 9-5. How do I become a massive do-er in the evening?

        That's why I wanted to do some side projects. To gain experience and skill even faster.

        Is my thinking wrong?

        I am trying to become more open minded and really learn. Trying to leave the ego at the door.
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        • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
          Thet - I am excited to see where this thread has gone and I am completely stoked for you at this moment! Why? Because I believe you are at an important moment in your life where you can choose to go one of two ways:

          1) You can decide to become more. To be better. To achieve your goals and ambitions.
          2) You can decide to be like everyone else and complain about your circumstances and life and never become anything. If you are afraid of looking back over your life with regret, THIS is how you do that.

          Option 1 is so much better! "Don't wish things were easier - Wish you were better." It seems you are legitimately open to that idea.

          Let's choose option 1.

          Originally Posted by thet View Post

          From there SEO thread with Dan'sand yours great advice I read about focus and knowing about and knowing how to.
          I know I am a smart guy, I read a shit ton, a lot of non-fiction. But what I know how to do, is probably just prospecting. I have not much experience outside of this.
          However,
          I do have my ambition, and I do know that I am capable of way more. How? because somewhere, incredibly, I apperently still believe in myself.

          Where my frustration comes from is believing I can do more and knowing I am so behind on where I want to go. Prospecting is so boring, it's so simple (every time the same objections, the same thing to ask and say) that I just dont feel challenged.

          I want to do more, but I also understand I need to focus to get to the next step. Whatever that next step may be. In the end, I want to be CEO. True. However, I am not so stupid that I think I could run it now. I also see where you get the analogy from. It's from RSD Nation. However, how often did you see the lowest employee get to the CEO position? It's more often then not a matter of the right education.

          My nephew started at a manager level, with 20 man reporting to him. Why? Because he is a smart guy and he finished his university. I think the janitor is still cleaning the place, or perhaps leading a team of cleaners. Both worked hard.

          Is that fair? Sure. But not if the janitor had a shit life thusfar, didn't have the possibilities to get a great start.
          You have made some great points in this post. Except for the last sentence. The last sentence is utter BS and head trash that you need to get rid of.

          You can't tell me that janitor is stuck. There are just too many millions of people who have come from abject poverty, abuse, gangs, prison etc...and have risen to be wonderfully successful in every way. You can't make that argument with me here in front of these intelligent people.

          Say he works 8 hours a day, 5 days per week. What does he do with all that other time? If he has been doing this for 20 years - my GOD! What has he been doing?????

          If he only spent 1 hour per day learning something for 20 years - he could be a brain surgeon by now! What about his weekends? You telling me he couldn't have learned how to do any other job and made the switch?? He couldn't learn how to be an auto-mechanic and changed careers? After becoming a mechanic he couldn't learn about being a leader and become a manager at a larger shop? After that he couldn't learn about business and open his own shop? After that he couldn't learn about finance and opened many shops??? He's not a millionaire because he CHOSE not to be and wasted his life as a janitor. He went home at night, drank a beer and sat around.

          The truth is, you know that attitude is wrong. This is a wrong belief you have in your mind that is holding you back.

          I could tell you one bad story after another about my life. I used to tell everyone who would listen. "Oh whoa is me, poor me, look at everything I have been through." Eventually I realized that as long as I identified with victims, I would always be a victim. I immediately started working to eliminate all that from my way of thinking. After all, I want to make sure I never end up there again, so why ever think about it?

          In the end, I want to be CEO.
          Great. Awesome goal. A worthy goal.

          I want you to entertain the idea that right now, you ARE CEO. You are CEO of your own life. You are already self-employed. Every person in the world makes the choice of where they will sell their labor.

          You are CEO of your life, and you are choosing to sell your labor to your current company.

          If you run your own business, you will still be CEO of your life, and will be choosing to sell your labor to your customers. It IS NOT DIFFERENT.

          Your current company enforces standards upon you because that is what it takes to succeed. If you try to run your own company without those standards - you will fail.

          If the enforced standards bother you - it means you still do not know how to work correctly.

          You must learn how to work so hard that the standards no longer matter. They no longer need to be enforced. You exceed them in every way. If you exceed them - no external enforcement is necessary.

          Your internal standards are what drive success. If your internal standards are below what is necessary to succeed - the company will have to push you.

          If your internal standards exceed the company standards - you will never hear a complaint from them again.

          You need to raise your standards and begin to work like a CEO - because you are!

          Prospecting is so boring, it's so simple (every time the same objections, the same thing to ask and say) that I just dont feel challenged.
          This is true with every line of work - no matter what it is. The CEO of Google does the same things every day. Jeff Bezos does the same things every day. Richard Branson does the same things every day.

          This is about HABIT. Our habits drive our success. Stop looking for the work actions to be fulfilling - they never will. Instead - make the goals more fulfilling.

          Success is never reached in a giant leap forward. It is reached one boring task at a time. Discipline. Habit. Repetitive motion.

          Failure is reached the same way - one choice at a time.

          How many hours a day do you think the home-run king spends in the batting cage doing the same thing over and over? As many as it takes - that's how much. He isn't worried about having fun swinging a bat - he considers it fun to be the home-run king.

          How many hours of coding per day do you think the best programmers spend learning new things? As many as it takes. Typing the same boring shit every day. It isn't the coding that is fun, it's the result of being the best that they enjoy.

          How many hours per day do the best musicians spend practicing? As many as it takes. Playing the same boring (to them) songs. For years. Over and over. They don't get fun from practicing - they consider it fun to reach the goal of being successful.

          Prospecting is a damn valuable skill. Set goals that you will achieve with prospecting. Then chase them! One small discipline at a time. Everyday. Success is a process reached through hours of boredom and repetitive work.



          Originally Posted by thet View Post

          Well, lets just say my life wasn't easy either.

          At the moment, to answer your question, its simply not possible.
          In the thread you are refering to, you I think asks the question: And what experience do you have so you can really do that?

          When I am looking at what I can do, where I have experience in, it will be the same shit I am doing now. Whatever job I take. Which I need to do, to get a pay check.
          But, yes,
          Like my whole life has been so far, I will buckle down and get trough it. Just very afraid that when I am 80 and look back I will say: Damn, my whole life was one big struggle. And I never really had that much fun.
          Geez man you're killing me with this sad story stuff. I could make you cry with some of mine. So what?

          The truth is, if you don't see any "next step" opportunities - it is because you have not maximised the current opportunity that you have.

          You need to be so good at what you do, that you cannot be ignored. When you are at the top of your game, kicking ass every day, you get noticed. Opportunity shows up.

          Opportunity NEVER knocks until you are ready. Well, that isn't true. The opportunities are always there, we just can't see them until we are ready.

          The only way to be ready to take advantage of opportunity - is to always strive to be the very best we can be.

          Have you reached your full potential as a prospector? Are you as good as you will ever be? Are there things you could do to be better? Start doing them. This is the key to your next opportunity.

          Originally Posted by thet View Post

          Here is where I am stuck now. The bolded part.

          At my current job, I work 9 - 5.

          I get home around 5.30. I fix dinner, 3 times a week I work-out. Sometimes 4.

          I watch a movie with my GF (once or twice a week). I read a good book. Probably 2-3 a week.

          Just the usual stuff what people in a relationship do. Shopping, etc.
          Just like everyone else, you have a rhythm to your day. Each day looks like the other. No matter how successful you become, this will not change. The key is to build habits into your day that will support your goals.

          I'm up at 5am EVERY day. 7 days a week.
          By 510 I am meditating for 20 minutes.
          At 530 I make a cup of coffee for my wife and take it up to her in bed. I wake her up, give her hugs and kisses for a few minutes, and tell her how much I love her. Just another habit that supports something important in my life.
          By 540 I am in the basement working out. While I work out, I am playing videos and audios that inspire or educate me in the things I want.
          By 645 I am up in my office writing in my journal. My journal is a yellow pad. On the page is my list of my life goals. There are 14 on there right now. I write them every single day, twice per day. If it comes between me and someone else who doesn't write their goals, who will get it? Me that's who. Why? Because I am absolutely focused on reaching the goals.
          By 655 I am in the shower - I am listening to more empowering, motivating, and educating audio while showering.
          By 8am I am working. The same things every day. I get distracted sometimes, sure. Like now, I should be doing something else. But that is OK because I am human and I know my goals will keep me on track. The time I spent typing this probably cost me $500. Damn, now I am going back to work!

          You will ALWAYS do the same things every day. The rest of your life. They key is build things into your life that support where you want to go. You will always have to work. Make sure you know what you are working towards, and do things that support that goal.

          In the evening I hang out with my family more. Then, I make one last trip to the office, write my goals again, and am in bed by 9. Why? Because I have an obligation to the world to reach my goals. My family needs me to reach them. I am duty bound to my ancestors who suffered so much - if I waste my life and never reach the goals I have set - I am failing them.

          Reaching my goals is my absolute obligation and the temptation to be lazy will never be more important. My daily standards are in concrete. If I miss them, I consider it an total failure. Because failure is never something that happens suddenly. It happens one bad decision at a time. So I hold myself accountable to the goals and standards.

          Now, go ahead and ask me if I have opportunites. And if I have opportunities and others are competing against me, who do you think will win? I will. I choose to win for the rest of my life. I work harder and prepare more. I feel pity for anyone who tries to take an opportunity from me because unless they work as hard as I do, they will lose. Maybe they could get lucky, but depending on luck is a bad way to live.

          In the military we said "The more you sweat, the less you bleed."

          Let's say I buy the focus thing (which I do, I think the result why I am where I am career-wise is because I never focussed and kept jumping to the greener grass on the other side, now, I don't really have a true skill because of this. I am a master of none. Not even a jack of all trades.

          So, let's say I focus 100% on sales and try to become the best sales guy there ever was. My job is still 9-5. How do I become a massive do-er in the evening?

          That's why I wanted to do some side projects. To gain experience and skill even faster.

          Is my thinking wrong?

          I am trying to become more open minded and really learn. Trying to leave the ego at the door.
          In the other thread you referenced, I talk about how our lives are the result of the quality of our thinking. We become what we think about. Where you are is due to your past thoughts.

          If you don't like where you are, you must know that you need to change your thoughts.

          Thet - if you focus 100% on sales and become a master sales guy - best there ever was - you will have so much money and success that you forget about your side projects.

          Not only that, but the habits you will need to develop to become the best, will drive you to ultimate success.

          Becoming the best at what you are doing will impact your life in so many ways besides money. Until you learn to be the best, everything you do will be unfulfilling and boring.

          Look at your own example of jumping from job to job, never mastering any. You have been letting yourself down. You expect the job to make you better. IT WILL NOT. YOU MUST DO THAT.

          You can either decide to break this habit in your life and learn to truly become competent, or you can decide that you will continue repeating the patterns you have experienced so far. It is totally up to you.

          Look at the last 5 years of your life. Do you want the next 5 years to be the same?

          If not, what do you have to change? If you don't change, the next 5 will be just like the last 5.

          If you will change, 5 years from now you can be fantastically successful.

          Its your choice.
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    Well. Like I said, I have become a do-er, but naturally, I am more a thinker.

    Also, being an employee is not fair in the sense that if you are on your own you get paid what you are worth. I have brought in massive business for the company I work for, what did I get? The same paycheck, and another 6 month contract. And oh, they are willing to look into a bonus structure to make it more fair. They even admit it, that it's not fair that the sales rep get bonus while I am bringing in the appointments.. with just the same pay in a terrible month as in a great month.

    Salary increase, is on average 4%. 4%... and you have to do one hell of a job to get one.

    Promotion, even more terrible. Maybe 1 extra task.. because they like you. While management is full of bozos.

    That's all what I meant with it. Thank you for the feedback.
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      Originally Posted by thet View Post


      Also, being an employee is not fair in the sense that if you are on your own you get paid what you are worth. I have brought in massive business for the company I work for, what did I get? The same paycheck, and another 6 month contract.
      I have to be honest. The attitude above is typical of a lot of employees but isn't a good one. You seem to completely discount the other facets of the business, only looking at yourself and what you do and how much you think you're bringing the business, and you are just an appointment setter. Without that sales guy closing the deals you have no job. In most companies you have accountants, human resources, sales, some sort of production, I could go on. And if you go out on your own, you get to do all of it. Talk about being underpaid.

      If you aren't getting paid what you're worth, then why are you working there. Surely someone else will pay an employee as valuable as you much more. After all, you're worth it, right? Everybody today seems to think that they deserve more than they agreed to. The guy flipping burgers at the fast food joint thinks he's on the same level as the CEO of McDonald's because, after all, without him that burger wouldn't have been served. Well, except for the fact that he isn't that special and another person can be plugged into his position in a matter of minutes. If you think you're worth more Thet, you need to know where you're special and what you can get out and do that will provide the value that you want to get paid for. It sounds to me like your employer is trying to acknowledge your skills and reward you above and beyond for them and you don't seem very appreciative but rather kind of indignant. That won't serve you well.

      If I misread something, my apologies, but that's just what I see, and it wouldn't make me want to hire you as an employee or as a person bringing some sort of product or service to me in your own business. Be hungry, be humble, and remember that unless someone is willing to give it to you, chances are you don't deserve it.
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      • Profile picture of the author savidge4
        I don't think you mis-read a dang thing...


        Originally Posted by umc View Post

        I have to be honest. The attitude above is typical of a lot of employees but isn't a good one. You seem to completely discount the other facets of the business, only looking at yourself and what you do and how much you think you're bringing the business, and you are just an appointment setter. Without that sales guy closing the deals you have no job. In most companies you have accountants, human resources, sales, some sort of production, I could go on. And if you go out on your own, you get to do all of it. Talk about being underpaid.

        If you aren't getting paid what you're worth, then why are you working there. Surely someone else will pay an employee as valuable as you much more. After all, you're worth it, right? Everybody today seems to think that they deserve more than they agreed to. The guy flipping burgers at the fast food joint thinks he's on the same level as the CEO of McDonald's because, after all, without him that burger wouldn't have been served. Well, except for the fact that he isn't that special and another person can be plugged into his position in a matter of minutes. If you think you're worth more Thet, you need to know where you're special and what you can get out and do that will provide the value that you want to get paid for. It sounds to me like your employer is trying to acknowledge your skills and reward you above and beyond for them and you don't seem very appreciative but rather kind of indignant. That won't serve you well.

        If I misread something, my apologies, but that's just what I see, and it wouldn't make me want to hire you as an employee or as a person bringing some sort of product or service to me in your own business. Be hungry, be humble, and remember that unless someone is willing to give it to you, chances are you don't deserve it.
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        • Profile picture of the author savidge4
          Thet,

          There is a bit of a catch 22 going on here. you want more from life... but you have obligations. You have a Job... your time is consumed. you have no capital, but you want out. but you cant because you have a job and obligations.

          I am going to share a bit about myself here. I am 46 years old. Grew up Upper middleclass. Had NOTHING given to me. I had my first job when I was 8 yrs old breaking down cardboard at a local grocery store. by the age of 10, I was doing that for 10 stores and making $100 a week. At the age of 13 I asked my stepfather to borrow $1.25 to make a $1000 purchase. It turned into a 2 hour "discussion" and he ended up not giving it to me. I went out to his car and took it from his ashtray ( and later put it back ) - that $1000 purchase turned into $5000 4 hours later. At 16 I was buying and selling rebranded ( Bell and Howell ) Apple II+ Computers. In the order of 10 a week.

          At 18 I had my first car. It was brand new off the showroom floor - paid CASH for it. I Drove cross country to attend college. I completed a 4 year degree in just under 3 years, at MIT. I worked and paid for the education myself. I have in my entire life worked 3 yrs 225 days an employee to someone else.

          I challenge you to read: http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...questions.html Do some background work on the OP. Read is prior posts on the warrior Forum... read his writing on his Portfolio page. and then look at what has taken place in the matter of 6 days.

          Im not at all trying to beat up on you here, I am not trying to be some snobbish SOB, that has had everything go right in his life... I have without question had my ups and downs. Penthouses, to homeless brother... and I enjoyed life the most homeless.

          Money is NOT an answer, at best it is a variable. HAPPINESS is an answer.

          My life right now, I work way to many hours a day, I have a 5 year old that is the best thing to ever happen to me... im happy with what I do, and whom I chose to hang around ( my son mostly ).

          so the question is.. what could you be doing that would make you HAPPY? How can you provide for your obligations and be happy at the same time? How can you turn Bitter into Better? Jarod B is doing it.. why not you?
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            Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

            Thet,

            There is a bit of a catch 22 going on here. you want more from life... but you have obligations. You have a Job... your time is consumed. you have no capital, but you want out. but you cant because you have a job and obligations.

            I am going to share a bit about myself here. I am 46 years old. Grew up Upper middleclass. Had NOTHING given to me. I had my first job when I was 8 yrs old breaking down cardboard at a local grocery store. by the age of 10, I was doing that for 10 stores and making $100 a week. At the age of 13 I asked my stepfather to borrow $1.25 to make a $1000 purchase. It turned into a 2 hour "discussion" and he ended up not giving it to me. I went out to his car and took it from his ashtray ( and later put it back ) - that $1000 purchase turned into $5000 4 hours later. At 16 I was buying and selling rebranded ( Bell and Howell ) Apple II+ Computers. In the order of 10 a week.

            At 18 I had my first car. It was brand new off the showroom floor - paid CASH for it. I Drove cross country to attend college. I completed a 4 year degree in just under 3 years, at MIT. I worked and paid for the education myself. I have in my entire life worked 3 yrs 225 days an employee to someone else.

            I challenge you to read: http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...questions.html Do some background work on the OP. Read is prior posts on the warrior Forum... read his writing on his Portfolio page. and then look at what has taken place in the matter of 6 days.

            Im not at all trying to beat up on you here, I am not trying to be some snobbish SOB, that has had everything go right in his life... I have without question had my ups and downs. Penthouses, to homeless brother... and I enjoyed life the most homeless.

            Money is NOT an answer, at best it is a variable. HAPPINESS is an answer.

            My life right now, I work way to many hours a day, I have a 5 year old that is the best thing to ever happen to me... im happy with what I do, and whom I chose to hang around ( my son mostly ).

            so the question is.. what could you be doing that would make you HAPPY? How can you provide for your obligations and be happy at the same time? How can you turn Bitter into Better? Jarod B is doing it.. why not you?
            Well, lets just say my life wasn't easy either.

            At the moment, to answer your question, its simply not possible.
            In the thread you are refering to, you I think asks the question: And what experience do you have so you can really do that?

            When I am looking at what I can do, where I have experience in, it will be the same shit I am doing now. Whatever job I take. Which I need to do, to get a pay check.
            But, yes,
            Like my whole life has been so far, I will buckle down and get trough it. Just very afraid that when I am 80 and look back I will say: Damn, my whole life was one big struggle. And I never really had that much fun.
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      • Profile picture of the author thet
        Originally Posted by umc View Post

        I have to be honest. The attitude above is typical of a lot of employees but isn't a good one. You seem to completely discount the other facets of the business, only looking at yourself and what you do and how much you think you're bringing the business, and you are just an appointment setter. Without that sales guy closing the deals you have no job. In most companies you have accountants, human resources, sales, some sort of production, I could go on. And if you go out on your own, you get to do all of it. Talk about being underpaid.

        If you aren't getting paid what you're worth, then why are you working there. Surely someone else will pay an employee as valuable as you much more. After all, you're worth it, right? Everybody today seems to think that they deserve more than they agreed to. The guy flipping burgers at the fast food joint thinks he's on the same level as the CEO of McDonald's because, after all, without him that burger wouldn't have been served. Well, except for the fact that he isn't that special and another person can be plugged into his position in a matter of minutes. If you think you're worth more Thet, you need to know where you're special and what you can get out and do that will provide the value that you want to get paid for. It sounds to me like your employer is trying to acknowledge your skills and reward you above and beyond for them and you don't seem very appreciative but rather kind of indignant. That won't serve you well.

        If I misread something, my apologies, but that's just what I see, and it wouldn't make me want to hire you as an employee or as a person bringing some sort of product or service to me in your own business. Be hungry, be humble, and remember that unless someone is willing to give it to you, chances are you don't deserve it.
        My ego got a bit bruised here, which is fine.
        I am going to try to respond in a way that moves me forward.

        Look, somewhere I understand what you are saying. I feel to good for what I currently do and I should be more humble. On a rational level, I agree. On an emotional level, not so much.

        From there SEO thread with Dan'sand yours great advice I read about focus and knowing about and knowing how to.
        I know I am a smart guy, I read a shit ton, a lot of non-fiction. But what I know how to do, is probably just prospecting. I have not much experience outside of this.
        However,
        I do have my ambition, and I do know that I am capable of way more. How? because somewhere, incredibly, I apperently still believe in myself.

        Where my frustration comes from is believing I can do more and knowing I am so behind on where I want to go. Prospecting is so boring, it's so simple (every time the same objections, the same thing to ask and say) that I just dont feel challenged.

        I want to do more, but I also understand I need to focus to get to the next step. Whatever that next step may be. In the end, I want to be CEO. True. However, I am not so stupid that I think I could run it now. I also see where you get the analogy from. It's from RSD Nation. However, how often did you see the lowest employee get to the CEO position? It's more often then not a matter of the right education.

        My nephew started at a manager level, with 20 man reporting to him. Why? Because he is a smart guy and he finished his university. I think the janitor is still cleaning the place, or perhaps leading a team of cleaners. Both worked hard.

        Is that fair? Sure. But not if the janitor had a shit life thusfar, didn't have the possibilities to get a great start.
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  • Profile picture of the author thet
    Thank you for the great words Dan.

    Besides meditating, what I am already doing. What do you believe I could add to my daily habits that would make me a better sales man?
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      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      Thank you for the great words Dan.

      Besides meditating, what I am already doing. What do you believe I could add to my daily habits that would make me a better sales man?
      Well, I don't know you so I can't be too specific really. But here are some general things.

      1) Get more serious about your fitness. The body is the basis for your performance. Savor your good health, because without it you can't do much. Set some goals, then make a plan to reach them, and work toward them every day. I've had people close to me who lose their health - you lose so much when your body isn't working right.

      By the same token - you gain just as much when you improve it.

      2) Practice every day - even though you think prospecting is boring (trust me this is a great problem) - professionals practice. Every professional you can think of, who is the absolute best in the world, practices every day. You can get to the top of your company without practice, but if you want to be world class - practice, out loud, every day.

      3) Eliminate all sources of negativity. Would you love to stop all suffering in the world? End all the wars and violence? Stop all the crime and terrible things that are happening? YOU CAN - turn off the TV. Stop reading the news. Isolate yourself from all negativity.

      I guarantee you that if you do this for 30 days, you will be amazed at just how negative you felt before. Listen, it is the JOB of the news to make you addicted to their negativity. Don't listen to them!

      4) Invest as much time and energy as possible into learning. Read every book. Listen to every audio program. Anything that can make you better - study it!

      In everything that you study - write down ONE major point - and add it to your habits. Don't try to make massive changes. Just change one little thing at a time. In a few months, you will be impressed. This is why resolutions fail. People say "I want to lose 20 pounds" - horseshit. Almost never works and usually they gain 30 back.

      The best resolution is to say "I will do something good for my body every day" - It starts simple. The end result is a powerful, healthy habit and the 20 pounds being lost is easy.

      It is the same for sales and business.

      Most books and audios have one major theme running through them - look for it - add it to your life - apply it.

      5) Everything you do will either add to or take away from your self-esteem. EVERYTHING COUNTS. Every action will either boost or lower your esteem.

      Make a commitment to only do things that boost your esteem.

      6) Write your goals every single day. Twice per day. Buy a stack of legal pads and do it. Just do it!

      There are others, these are the top of my head.
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    Thet, before you go into business....

    Read the E-myth.

    And I want you to really envision the things they talk about.. Because your "situation" is VERY similar to the one in the book...

    And if you're not mentally prepared for what business has to offer, you'll fail without a doubt. It takes more than just hustle and wanting to do it... You've got to prepare for the things you don't expect.

    In other words... Expect the unexpected.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
    Just reading through the suggestions I just wrote and realize they are pretty abstract. Lots of people will question how it will help them be successful. "I need money, not better biceps."

    Well, you'll just have to trust me on these. These aren't things that work just for me - they work for everyone.

    So, since I don't have time to reproduce all the courses that brought me to the above conclusions, you just have to take it on faith.

    The 6 things above will change your life. I can guarantee it with absolute certainty.

    In my post above where I detail my morning routine - these things didn't just happen automatically. They are each part of something else. A habit I learned. I added them to my day because they help me improve. I learned them somewhere else.

    My entire day is blocked out like this. I go from one habit to the next. I am still adding and tweaking my habits to make me more successful.

    You'd be amazed how much you can accomplish when you get serious about developing habits and sticking to them.
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      Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

      Just reading through the suggestions I just wrote and realize they are pretty abstract. Lots of people will question how it will help them be successful. "I need money, not better biceps."

      Well, you'll just have to trust me on these. These aren't things that work just for me - they work for everyone.

      So, since I don't have time to reproduce all the courses that brought me to the above conclusions, you just have to take it on faith.

      The 6 things above will change your life. I can guarantee it with absolute certainty.
      No, I am very aware what sport and eating healthy does to me. Give me 3 days of sugar and I have terrible thoughts. Give me lots of working out and brocolli and great books and I am on one hell of a buzz.

      Thats whats frustrating to me. Lots of what I do is very health and should lead to success. My results are not there. Which makes me doubt about my actions.
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        Originally Posted by thet View Post

        No, I am very aware what sport and eating healthy does to me. Give me 3 days of sugar and I have terrible thoughts. Give me lots of working out and brocolli and great books and I am on one hell of a buzz.

        Thats whats frustrating to me. Lots of what I do is very health and should lead to success. My results are not there. Which makes me doubt about my actions.
        Great - then everything else is a matter of mental improvement.

        To practice - there are only probably 10 objections you hear regularly - just practice them out loud before you get on the phone. Just practice closing the appointment. Its just a few minutes but has a totally different impact than when you are on the phone. You will get better during practice.

        Go back up and read my long-ass post about becoming the best.

        If you are committed to getting better every day, and learning more every day, then you are on the right track!
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        • Profile picture of the author thet
          Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

          Great - then everything else is a matter of mental improvement.

          To practice - there are only probably 10 objections you hear regularly - just practice them out loud before you get on the phone. Just practice closing the appointment. Its just a few minutes but has a totally different impact than when you are on the phone. You will get better during practice.

          Go back up and read my long-ass post about becoming the best.

          If you are committed to getting better every day, and learning more every day, then you are on the right track!
          Read it 6 times already

          Now I just need the patience to actually do it, day after day, year in year out
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  • Profile picture of the author thet
    1. I am doing crossfit and olympic lifting. However, just 3-4 times a week. I can probably up the ante here + eat better then I do now

    2. How do you practice prospecting? I am calling on a daily basis, 5 days a week, i am at 30 hours a week. So there is no way I wont be better at it. But, practice makes perfect.

    3. Check. I never watch television, news or whatever. Only what's negative is that my GF likes her real life soaps. So while I am reading '7 habits of highly effective people' (just an example) I hear "Teen mom" in the background. Any idea in how to avoid that? Women love their soaps!

    4. No problem here. I read a lot. I might be able to select better. More related to my niche instead of reading all over the place. However, a broad knowledge might actually be a good thing. I read mostly business books, philosophy, Zen and autobiographies of entrepreneurs and other impressive people

    Thank you Dan. This is not a new year thingy. I am constantly busy with getting better in my mindset and actions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Luis Michael Orts
    And I'll share a brief story with you about how I got started.

    I was working for JPMorgan Chase as.... (drumroll) a f***ing Cashier brother.

    But here's what started to happen... I saw on a consistent basis that some people came more often than others, making larger deposits than most. I was so intrigued with it, and I started to ask questions...

    Before you know it, I was figuring that the CEO must have been making MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS PER YEAR. And what was I making? $10/hour.

    It was pitiful.

    So at that moment I decided I was going to do the next best thing... Go into business.

    And just to fast forward a bit... I started this business in December of 2013. And up to this point, I had never run a business, nor had I ever done exterior maintenance (which in my mind was an easy entry into a large market)

    All I knew was Sales and Customer Service. And really, my sales were VERY weak at this point.

    So not only did I have to take on the learning curve of learning all there is to know about the machines, and the work (fulfillment) but I also had to learn how to have my guys do it efficiently when I brought them on. Not only that, but I had to figure out what the market would bare in terms of pricing... I had to figure out my target market... I had to learn how to effectively communicate with my target market. I had to learn to even GET IN FRONT of my target market. I had to learn how I would pay my crews... I had to learn how I would effectively schedule them out... and I had to ensure that all processes and systems were created to ensure a smoother operation... and then once I did all that...

    I had to make sure I was profitable.

    So you see.. Setting appointments is only but a SMALL fraction of what business really entails. I spent many nights with 3-4 hours of sleep only to start it all over again. And you want to know what the craziest thing was?

    I started with $50,000. And I burned through that SO QUICK, it was stupid. I feel like I still had to bootstrap a lot of things.

    A lot of that money went into the business, but some of it came from slower months while I was building up the business.

    And here we are, 1 year later... and I'm close to breaking even (hopefully by the summer)

    My story isn't practical though. I just so happened to absorb a lot of information in an organized fashion, and I kept my composure these past few months. I was on the brink of exhaustion and mentally BURNT out.

    It will be another 1-2 years before I see any real money...

    But I'm preserverant and dedicated to becoming a serial entreprenuer.

    If this sounds like something you should do, go for it. But just know, that it will be a long and tough journey. You're going to want to quit MANY times before you see even any hint of success.

    Fortune favors the bold, my friend.
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    This video keeps getting deleted from YouTube. Keep finding it. I watched it back to back for a month. Nothing else but this. Played it ANY time I wasn't doing something else.

    It had a profound impact and I still listen to it at least twice a month. Use the info!

    http://youtu.be/Zh-Hgyan5x0
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      Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

      This video keeps getting deleted from YouTube. Keep finding it. I watched it back to back for a month. Nothing else but this. Played it ANY time I wasn't doing something else.

      It had a profound impact and I still listen to it at least twice a month. Use the info!

      http://youtu.be/Zh-Hgyan5x0
      Will watch it before friday. I am a bit ahead of time. Almost new year 18.47
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      Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

      This video keeps getting deleted from YouTube. Keep finding it. I watched it back to back for a month. Nothing else but this. Played it ANY time I wasn't doing something else.

      It had a profound impact and I still listen to it at least twice a month. Use the info!

      http://youtu.be/Zh-Hgyan5x0
      Great video. Simple, but not easy.

      I also am guilty of reading, reading and more reading the next book after the next. while i know i should study more often. I have one book i have read several times and that book is "the 7 habits of highly effective people". Today i started it again.

      This year however, i probably need to focus on either 5 beat books of marketing or the 5 best of communication.

      And keep reading them over and over again.

      I am not going to start any side projects though
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    Dan, I just bookmarked it, and I'm listening to it as I create my salesfunnel. This is AWESOME.
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    Oh and I feel like I completely forgot to mention....

    I didn't have the budget to pay for web development... or SEO....

    And I HAD TO LEARN THAT TOO!!!!!!!

    Business is not for the weak, FOR SURE.
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      Originally Posted by Luis Michael Orts View Post

      Oh and I feel like I completely forgot to mention....

      I didn't have the budget to pay for web development... or SEO....

      And I HAD TO LEARN THAT TOO!!!!!!!

      Business is not for the weak, FOR SURE.
      Whenever someone asks me about going into business for them selves ...

      I always say ... Take your family jewels out, place them on a firm surface
      and then repeatedly smash them as hard as you can with a hammer ... 5 times.

      If you can make make yourself do it that 5th time ... then you have
      what it takes to go into business for yourself.

      No, I am not making a joke.
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        Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

        Whenever someone asks me about going into business for them selves ...

        I always say ... Take your family jewels out, place them on a firm surface
        and then repeatedly smash them as hard as you can with a hammer ... 5 times.

        If you can make make yourself do it that 5th time ... then you have
        what it takes to go into business for yourself.

        No, I am not making a joke.
        I've had several women do that to me. Easily 5 times, so I'm good to go!



        Happy New Year kenmichaels!

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          • Profile picture of the author savidge4
            Thet,

            I have thought on this. what you NEED is an outlet. I think to some extent the book reading has become an ESCAPE for you. drowning out the drama as it were.

            The most effective "New Age" principle I have ever picked up in my life is understanding that you Teach, what you most need to learn.

            You are a self proclaimed thinker... you are obviously a book worm. I know from reading your post here you read extensively on sales... why not a book review blog?

            Simply write about how YOU have applied what you have read, how YOU have tried this and that. write about YOUR process in becoming a better salesman. heck you can even go so far as to monetize the thing with an amazon affiliate program.

            The blog itself is just short of nothing... but its the process in getting you "Doing" something for YOU, that will be of the greatest help.

            You can ask anyone here... writing content takes discipline. I know I dread it, but I do it EVERY DAY ALL DAY. like its my job or something. At this point in my life I know so little about so much because of content research its really not even funny. And the reason I know it, is not only did I read it... I wrote about it.

            PS. you build a blog, I will change my signature to include a link to it!
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              Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

              Thet,

              I have thought on this. what you NEED is an outlet. I think to some extent the book reading has become an ESCAPE for you. drowning out the drama as it were.

              The most effective "New Age" principle I have ever picked up in my life is understanding that you Teach, what you most need to learn.

              You are a self proclaimed thinker... you are obviously a book worm. I know from reading your post here you read extensively on sales... why not a book review blog?

              Simply write about how YOU have applied what you have read, how YOU have tried this and that. write about YOUR process in becoming a better salesman. heck you can even go so far as to monetize the thing with an amazon affiliate program.

              The blog itself is just short of nothing... but its the process in getting you "Doing" something for YOU, that will be of the greatest help.

              You can ask anyone here... writing content takes discipline. I know I dread it, but I do it EVERY DAY ALL DAY. like its my job or something. At this point in my life I know so little about so much because of content research its really not even funny. And the reason I know it, is not only did I read it... I wrote about it.

              PS. you build a blog, I will change my signature to include a link to it!

              Sounds like someone has rang Thet's "doorbell". Opportunity is knocking.

              Don't analyze this, just do it.

              worst case is goes nowhere, and you can blame Savidge4!

              time to do something, time to do something different.

              this is so exciting for 2015. Go Thet!!!
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                Originally Posted by kirbymarketingconcierge View Post

                Sounds like someone has rang Thet's "doorbell". Opportunity is knocking.

                Don't analyze this, just do it.

                worst case is goes nowhere, and you can blame Savidge4!

                time to do something, time to do something different.

                this is so exciting for 2015. Go Thet!!!
                No. I am not going to do this. I actually like the idea. However, focus. Going to prospect and studying marketing so i am ready for the next opportunity.
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                  Originally Posted by thet View Post

                  No. I am not going to do this. I actually like the idea. However, focus. Going to prospect and studying marketing so i am ready for the next opportunity.
                  you are going to "study" marketing? the best way to learn is to just do it man... MARKET your blog.. you are going to Focus on prospecting? Great... read books about it and REINFORCE what you have read and write it down. For the love of pete man.. you need to get out of your head and into the world.

                  Blogging is going to do 3 things for you. its going to give you REAL WORLD marketing experience. AND it is going to open up the possibilities of communication ( another thing you wanted to "Read" about ) with people that might comment on your postings.

                  The last thing is probably the most important. at the end of the day you can step back and say "that's mine" that's my thoughts, that's me taking an action out of my norm. That's me showing dedication in something I care about. something I am passionate about.

                  If nothing else it could be something in your life that you can be proud of. To be honest I don't know you from adam... but it sounds like there is not much in your life you are proud of.
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                    Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

                    you are going to "study" marketing? the best way to learn is to just do it man... MARKET your blog.. you are going to Focus on prospecting? Great... read books about it and REINFORCE what you have read and write it down. For the love of pete man.. you need to get out of your head and into the world.

                    Blogging is going to do 3 things for you. its going to give you REAL WORLD marketing experience. AND it is going to open up the possibilities of communication ( another thing you wanted to "Read" about ) with people that might comment on your postings.

                    The last thing is probably the most important. at the end of the day you can step back and say "that's mine" that's my thoughts, that's me taking an action out of my norm. That's me showing dedication in something I care about. something I am passionate about.

                    If nothing else it could be something in your life that you can be proud of. To be honest I don't know you from adam... but it sounds like there is not much in your life you are proud of.
                    Yes. Study it.

                    There are lots of things I am going to do differently this year. I am getting up at 5.
                    Meditation at 5, reading at 5.20 to 6, make my GF a green shake. Be at the office before 8.

                    At night, working out and training.

                    I really like your idea of the blog, I seriously do. However, I simply think I will not proceed doing it because I have my goal set on certain things to accomplish and writing the blog will take away energy from that.

                    With studying marketing i mean: My employer asked me if I would be interested in doing some of the marketing stuff he is currently doing himself. He also agreed that I will go back to school to study marketing. There will be theory and practice in the education I have my eyes on.

                    I love the input man, seriously. I even get excited about it, but I will spread myself to thin. After watching the video Dan posted, and after his words.. something really resonated with me and I think my key to personal development is around two things:
                    1. Attitude
                    2. Focus

                    Thats where my focus should be.
                    I hope i do not insult you by saying no to something you put time in thinking how to help me. Because your words also really resonated with me in the other thread about the guy starting his freelance web design journey.
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                      Originally Posted by thet View Post


                      There are lots of things I am going to do differently this year. I am getting up at 5.
                      Meditation at 5, reading at 5.20 to 6, make my GF a green shake. Be at the office before 8.

                      At night, working out and training.

                      I really like your idea of the blog, I seriously do. However, I simply think I will not proceed doing it because I have my goal set on certain things to accomplish and writing the blog will take away energy from that.

                      With studying marketing i mean: My employer asked me if I would be interested in doing some of the marketing stuff he is currently doing himself. He also agreed that I will go back to school to study marketing. There will be theory and practice in the education I have my eyes on.

                      I love the input man, seriously. I even get excited about it, but I will spread myself to thin. After watching the video Dan posted, and after his words.. something really resonated with me and I think my key to personal development is around two things:
                      1. Attitude
                      2. Focus

                      Thats where my focus should be.
                      Big changes man. I am flattered that you found so much value in my posts.

                      It's weird to me, how some people don't need these types of habits to make it big. I've seen some seemingly lazy people who have made a lot of money. They naturally understand something about achievement, work, and focus that I somehow missed.

                      I've built these systems into my life because they keep my mind disciplined and keep me focused. When I follow my daily habits and rituals, I am much more productive and happy.

                      When I stop following them, I get lazy, distracted, bored, and don't get things done. I really don't understand the connection, but for me, it is there.

                      It has been written that excellence is a habit and it doesn't matter what the endeavor is, laziness in one area leads to laziness in all areas. For me, the personal disciplines (rituals really) bring order to my professional life as well.

                      It doesn't seem like these changes will be too difficult for you. Just make sure you do them even when you really, really don't want to. That is when it matters most. I have insomnia now and then and even if I am awake all night, I still get up at 5am and do the routine. Missing it for one day costs me a whole day of productivity - which just kills my mojo, sometimes for the rest of the week.
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                        Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

                        Big changes man. I am flattered that you found so much value in my posts.

                        It's weird to me, how some people don't need these types of habits to make it big. I've seen some seemingly lazy people who have made a lot of money. They naturally understand something about achievement, work, and focus that I somehow missed.

                        I've built these systems into my life because they keep my mind disciplined and keep me focused. When I follow my daily habits and rituals, I am much more productive and happy.

                        When I stop following them, I get lazy, distracted, bored, and don't get things done. I really don't understand the connection, but for me, it is there.

                        It has been written that excellence is a habit and it doesn't matter what the endeavor is, laziness in one area leads to laziness in all areas. For me, the personal disciplines (rituals really) bring order to my professional life as well.

                        It doesn't seem like these changes will be too difficult for you. Just make sure you do them even when you really, really don't want to. That is when it matters most. I have insomnia now and then and even if I am awake all night, I still get up at 5am and do the routine. Missing it for one day costs me a whole day of productivity - which just kills my mojo, sometimes for the rest of the week.
                        We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but an habit.
                        ~ Aristotle.

                        Well, when I made this thread I was on a down. My vacation almost ended and was really in a mode of reflection and where I am heading towards.

                        The key understanding for me was 1. attitude 2. focus

                        I read tons of autobiographies because I believe in the art of modeling. I am just not living up to my own expectations.
                        On the one hand, I believe I should already be calm, and have my attitude fixed because of all the hard work I have done so far.
                        One the other hand, I have become lazy in my self development. Thinking that if I just kept reading and doing what I did.. it would turn out fine. However, it has been a while since I stepped up.

                        The changes I am making are not so big. I am just going to get up early (5) and get more of a routine in there.
                        See, I have been meditating for 2 years now, 20 minutes a day. Never missed a day. However, I don't have a standard time where I do this. So, I still have to pick myself up and do it. SO i decided to do it at 5.
                        After that, some reading.
                        Because also there.. I have periods where I read a shit ton, and then it weakens.
                        So, in the morning 30 - 60 minutes.. In the evening 30 minutes. Is plenty.

                        Every other day to the gym and get my diet in check.

                        I need to build in routines for what I am already doing so I dont have to think about it anymore.

                        At work, being more productive and focusing on my vital functions should be key.
                        My problem is that I see my career as my career. And the company I work for is like a stepping stone. Aslong as I can enhance my career, I am happy. But, I think I need to find the balance between what's good for my career and what's good for the company (tribal leadership, we are awesome).

                        My goal is to end up as a world class business development guy. Being it sales or marketing. So, no matter what it will be, marketing or sales, at this point I am in the right positioning to grow towards that. No matter what my tasks will be.

                        My girlfriend knows of my deeper goals. She knows I am going to do this. And she knows I am clear about this.

                        Stepping up my game, just on the edge of my comfort zone, leaving it a little bit and grow further. Thats the personal development goal. Instead of jumping out... until burned out, and jump back in that zone.

                        In 6 months from now, I need to reflect the current position. To see if I need to stay at the company or go after other opportunities.

                        You where right I am not reading to be a business owner. First, I need to show myself that I can manage myself (another book to re-read. Peter Drucker - managing oneself)
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                          Originally Posted by thet View Post


                          You where right I am not reading to be a business owner. First, I need to show myself that I can manage myself (another book to re-read. Peter Drucker - managing oneself)
                          I love Drucker, and have not read that book. On the list - thanks.
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                            Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

                            I love Drucker, and have not read that book. On the list - thanks.
                            Managing oneselfManaging oneself
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                              the "Thet offensive" for 2015 :
                              I need to build in routines for what I am already doing so I dont have to think about it anymore.

                              make stuff happen

                              you can do it
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                                Originally Posted by kirbymarketingconcierge View Post

                                the "Thet offensive" for 2015 :
                                I need to build in routines for what I am already doing so I dont have to think about it anymore.

                                make stuff happen

                                you can do it
                                Yes. Savidge is right to say:

                                "Great... read books about it and REINFORCE what you have read and write it down. For the love of pete man.. you need to get out of your head and into the world. "

                                That's perhaps a blindspot of me. I really believe reading is a key to success. I need to have a different input in my mind so the output becomes different.
                                So much garbage in my mind from all kinds of media accumulated in my lifetime. I need to clean it up, weed it out and I believe reading is key.

                                However, I might be overdoing it. Faking that I am taking action by reading about action-takers.
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    Hi guys.
    Here is where I am stuck now.

    I have a 9 to 5 job. Get up at 5. Meditate, read.
    I also work out.

    However, I want to gain skill quicker so I would like to add some productivity to my evenings.

    How do I do that?
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      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      Hi guys.
      Here is where I am stuck now. How do I do that?
      Thet, In a very nice way You ask a lot of questions but just sometimes part of moving forward is to learn yourself how to overcome problems and to find your own solutions.

      If you are forever suckling the titty of asking for help, then you will never break free and will always just be a worker per se, always relying on directions from other people.

      Maybe just try and work out the solutions to a few problems by yourself and it is OK to fail, thats how you learn and then if your still stuck maybe ask, or just even watch and learn quietly from those that are where you want to be.
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        Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

        Thet, In a very nice way You ask a lot of questions but just sometimes part of moving forward is to learn yourself how to overcome problems and to find your own solutions.

        If you are forever suckling the titty of asking for help, then you will never break free and will always just be a worker per se, always relying on directions from other people.

        Maybe just try and work out the solutions to a few problems by yourself and it is OK to fail, thats how you learn and then if your still stuck maybe ask, or just even watch and learn quietly from those that are where you want to be.
        Thank you. Just want to do things as optimal as possible and don't reinvent the wheel. But i am not taking it badly, i appreciate all the feedback i can get.
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          Originally Posted by thet View Post

          Thank you. Just want to do things as optimal as possible and don't reinvent the wheel. But i am not taking it badly, i appreciate all the feedback I can get.
          I can understand you do not want to reinvent the wheel, and that is good, But there are two types of people, those that lead and those that follow, now a person who follows asks questions like what do I do next, they really never stop to work anything out for themselves, these people work for bosses, they roll up to work and it is in their nature to wait and be instructed to what to do by the boss, or ask what do I need to do next. / You have the picture.

          Often People indicate that they want to be the Leader, and that is great, but then all they do is revert back to making noises or excuses that are common with a follower not that of a leader.

          To make the transition people need to start making the choices of a Leader and that includes learning to think your own way through problems and unless they can get that move down, they will keep spinning your wheels in follow mode and will continue to try and reinvent the wheel to bridge the gap from follower to leader.

          You may even surprise yourself and dont stress if you get a few things wrong along the way, it is part of the journey ?

          Most People will just keep coming back asking more and more questions but always finding a reason not to move on and remain in the follower rut for life. People who cry leader and have all of the aspirations and good intentions in the world but remain a follower are dime a dozen.
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      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      However, I want to gain skill quicker so I would like to add some productivity to my evenings.
      It depends - what is the next goal are you trying to reach, and what skills do you need to develop to reach it?
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        Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

        It depends - what is the next goal are you trying to reach, and what skills do you need to develop to reach it?
        At this point its simply about making more money. I am not sure what to learn. Saving, investing. I save 15% of my salary but i need to earn more. So i need to be more. Classic jim rohn.

        Beneath that is wanting to provide for my family and my mother who will retire soon and will get into financial trouble at some point. That's where i feel the urgency.
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          Originally Posted by thet View Post

          At this point its simply about making more money. I am not sure what to learn. Saving, investing. I save 15% of my salary but i need to earn more. So i need to be more. Classic jim rohn.

          Beneath that is wanting to provide for my family and my mother who will retire soon and will get into financial trouble at some point. That's where i feel the urgency.
          Great - you feel the urgency - but YOU HAVE NO GOAL - you only have a wish - and therefore cannot get anywhere!

          Make more money is not a goal. A goal is this:

          I have made $300,000 in one year.
          I have increased my Real Estate portfolio holdings by $4million.
          I have taken my mother on a great vacation.
          I have saved one year of cash, food, and energy.

          Notice how they are written in the past tense - as if they already happened. They are clear.

          Those are goals. You need to get some before you can make any real progress!
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            Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

            Great - you feel the urgency - but YOU HAVE NO GOAL - you only have a wish - and therefore cannot get anywhere!

            Make more money is not a goal. A goal is this:

            I have made $300,000 in one year.
            I have increased my Real Estate portfolio holdings by $4million.
            I have taken my mother on a great vacation.
            I have saved one year of cash, food, and energy.

            Notice how they are written in the past tense - as if they already happened. They are clear.

            Those are goals. You need to get some before you can make any real progress!
            It's kind of crazy to think about the slowness of raises in salary.
            Last year I managed to get a 400$ extra in base salary, and my family and friends where impressed lol

            Being on the Warriorforum and reading from succesful people, I am definitely in another mindset than my friends and family. It's going slow, way to slow. And I am learning way to little.

            I need to learn the right principles around making money because I am off here on several things. I am off track, I feel it in my bones. I also need to learn valueable skills. And I understand this will take time. I need to outwork and outsmart my space. I need to focus, get down to it and really get good at one thing.
            But still,
            in the end, for me, it's about making enough to live an amazing life.

            I read you read 50 books last year and worked 80 hours. I did the same. But here I am, and there are you. You made some very smart moves, where I didn't.

            I need to figure out what principles you (and other highly skilled, smart succesful people) used to get where you are because in this pace I am simply not going to get there fast enough.
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              Originally Posted by thet View Post

              It's kind of crazy to think about the slowness of raises in salary.
              Last year I managed to get a 400$ extra in base salary, and my family and friends where impressed lol

              Being on the Warriorforum and reading from succesful people, I am definitely in another mindset than my friends and family. It's going slow, way to slow. And I am learning way to little.

              I need to learn the right principles around making money because I am off here on several things. I am off track, I feel it in my bones. I also need to learn valueable skills. And I understand this will take time. I need to outwork and outsmart my space. I need to focus, get down to it and really get good at one thing.
              But still,
              in the end, for me, it's about making enough to live an amazing life.

              I read you read 50 books last year and worked 80 hours. I did the same. But here I am, and there are you. You made some very smart moves, where I didn't.

              I need to figure out what principles you (and other highly skilled, smart succesful people) used to get where you are because in this pace I am simply not going to get there fast enough.
              I've been on the path for many more years than you so don't make comparisons. Comparisons are NEVER valid because no two people are the same.

              I'm going to repeat my question - what GOALS are you trying to reach?

              You read a lot of books, but are not applying what was in them. I know for a fact that my goal setting method outlined above is in at least one of the books you have read.

              Sit down and think of a great goal, that would make you proud, and that you believe you have the capacity to hit. This is different for everyone. People tell me all the time to "be realistic" - they don't understand that I AM being realistic.

              You should set goals that stretch you - and that you fully believe you can hit - and that you have a vehicle to reach.

              PS- Last year I read 100 books. Not 50.
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                Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

                I've been on the path for many more years than you so don't make comparisons. Comparisons are NEVER valid because no two people are the same.

                I'm going to repeat my question - what GOALS are you trying to reach?

                You read a lot of books, but are not applying what was in them. I know for a fact that my goal setting method outlined above is in at least one of the books you have read.

                PS- Last year I read 100 books. Not 50.
                I read two books a week. But, one thing i decided to do just now, is focus on rereading a lot of those books. Probably with a 3/4 ratio. Three books i already read, 1 new. If i read so many books but still feel like a loser, i have missed the point on several books and need to reread again, and maybe again.

                My goals for 2015:
                - I have made 50k last year
                - I have sticked to my developed routines:
                Ã-- up at 5 to meditate
                Ã-- thinking till 6
                Ã-- fix breakfast for gf
                Ã-- 5 times a week working out
                Ã-- dump social media
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                  Originally Posted by thet View Post

                  I read two books a week. But, one thing i decided to do just now, is focus on rereading a lot of those books. Probably with a 3/4 ratio. Three books i already read, 1 new. If i read so many books but still feel like a loser, i have missed the point on several books and need to reread again, and maybe again.

                  My goals for 2015:
                  - I have made 50k last year
                  - I have sticked to my developed routines:
                  Ã-- up at 5 to meditate
                  Ã-- thinking till 6
                  Ã-- fix breakfast for gf
                  Ã-- 5 times a week working out
                  Ã-- dump social media
                  Great start - Let's rewrite a little:

                  I have made $50k in one year
                  I have developed and stick to my routines
                  I have eliminated Social Media from my life

                  Grab a yellow legal pad - seriously just get one - and write these goals down. I have 14 on my list.

                  OK - now give me five quick ideas you could pursue to get to $50k - don't worry if they are "realistic" or not - just brainstorm ideas and don't reject anything!

                  Do the same for your routines.

                  Do the same for your social media usage.
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                    Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

                    Great start - Let's rewrite a little:

                    I have made $50k in one year
                    I have developed and stick to my routines
                    I have eliminated Social Media from my life

                    Grab a yellow legal pad - seriously just get one - and write these goals down. I have 14 on my list.

                    OK - now give me five quick ideas you could pursue to get to $50k - don't worry if they are "realistic" or not - just brainstorm ideas and don't reject anything!

                    Do the same for your routines.

                    Do the same for your social media usage.
                    50k
                    - Ask for raise
                    - Find another job that pays more
                    - Get commission
                    - Start a small dropship business
                    - Get a promotion this year, make sure to get paid more

                    Routines
                    - Put in agenda
                    - Develop punishments for not doing them
                    - Develop rewards for doing them
                    - Create stronger vision of future / why
                    - Build measure points

                    Social media
                    - Develop punishments for checking them
                    - Rewards for a month none of it
                    - Delete acounts
                    - Focus on 80/20. What can I do to get the same rewards that I get from using SM?
                    - Become a social media producer instead of costumer.
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                      Originally Posted by thet View Post

                      50k
                      - Ask for raise
                      - Find another job that pays more
                      - Get commission
                      - Start a small dropship business
                      - Get a promotion this year, make sure to get paid more

                      Routines
                      - Put in agenda
                      - Develop punishments for not doing them
                      - Develop rewards for doing them
                      - Create stronger vision of future / why
                      - Build measure points

                      Social media
                      - Develop punishments for checking them
                      - Rewards for a month none of it
                      - Delete acounts
                      - Focus on 80/20. What can I do to get the same rewards that I get from using SM?
                      - Become a social media producer instead of costumer.
                      Perfect.

                      If you do what I am about to say, combined with what I will tell you next week - I guarantee you will reach the goals.

                      Every morning, starting tomorrow, as part of your morning routine, write down your goals. Don't just write them absentmindedly. Concentrate on them. Get excited by them. Focus on them.

                      Every evening before bed, write your goals down again in the same manner. This time - after you write them, every night for the next week, come up with five NEW ideas of how you could make them happen. Write them down.

                      You are going to find that you start getting ideas at random times - don't try to remember them. Grab a paper and write it down. Transfer the idea to your list that night.

                      Do that every day for the next week - then come back here and tell me how you feel about your goals. I predict you will see them a bit differently.
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                        Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

                        Perfect.

                        If you do what I am about to say, combined with what I will tell you next week - I guarantee you will reach the goals.

                        Every morning, starting tomorrow, as part of your morning routine, write down your goals. Don't just write them absentmindedly. Concentrate on them. Get excited by them. Focus on them.

                        Every evening before bed, write your goals down again in the same manner. This time - after you write them, every night for the next week, come up with five NEW ideas of how you could make them happen. Write them down.

                        You are going to find that you start getting ideas at random times - don't try to remember them. Grab a paper and write it down. Transfer the idea to your list that night.

                        Do that every day for the next week - then come back here and tell me how you feel about your goals. I predict you will see them a bit differently.
                        Hi Dan,

                        I got a new job recently doing exactly the same thing as Thet. I was top biz dev guy last month and the month before (my first month) and I can say with certainty that writing down your goals everyday does work. I'm 24 and I'm earning more than 50k! I hope I'm not being conceited their but I am proud! I write my goals down every morning. Nothing happens for a week or two and then boom!

                        I'm curious why does writing down your goals work do you know? I've also had great success in the past with visualising a perfect day (writing a script of how I wanted the day to turn out) again amazing! How does it work?

                        Pleased to meet you!
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                          Originally Posted by dreamer123 View Post


                          I'm curious why does writing down your goals work do you know? I've also had great success in the past with visualising a perfect day (writing a script of how I wanted the day to turn out) again amazing! How does it work?

                          Pleased to meet you!
                          I have no idea. I don't believe in "The Secret" or law of attraction type stuff at all.

                          My theory is that our brains are goal driven pattern recognition devices. They always need a target, and will recognize patterns that get the target.

                          In the process of finding these patterns that reach the goal, our thoughts stumble upon great new ways to do things.

                          Writing goals twice a day is like pure magic! It messes with our neurons and realigns our thought processes from mindless clutter into a heat seeking missile.
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                            I have an idea.

                            The goals are your target audience. Writing them down is marketing to them, keeping yourself on the tip of their tongue, front and center, so they buy you.

                            Or,

                            writing slows you down (as opposed to thinking) while increasing your focus on what you write and, since you say to yourself what you write, your hand types or writes the words, and you see what you write, you've forced yourself to view/feel your message in more 'dimensions' than if you just thought it.

                            Therefore, it makes more of an impact.

                            Writing them down 2 times daily makes sure you don't forget them, or better said, it makes sure you remember them in time to take meaningful action.

                            Think about this: you want to lose 30lbs and a friend brings over some sweets and you automatically inhale 3 pieces before you remember you want to lose 30lbs

                            vs

                            you want to lose 30lbs and a friend brings over some sweets and, because you've written your goal to lose 30 lbs in the morning you remember it right after your friend invites you to dig in and you say, Nah, I'm losing weight today.

                            Now think of the above happening day after day after day. You go with option 2, pretty soon, you've lost 30 lbs.

                            I want to lose 30lbs, started writing this goal down a couple of days ago. My wife took me out to lunch today. I remembered my goal right after I ate a cheeseburger and before I was about to inhale a bunch of French fries.

                            So, I'm ahead. Would have been better if I'd remembered before the burger (and gotten a chicken salad) but I'm better off (closer to losing those 30lbs) than if I had not written this goal down and had thought of my wanting to lose 30 lbs after I'd had the cheeseburger and the fries and, maybe, some chocolate.

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                            Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

                            I have no idea. I don't believe in "The Secret" or law of attraction type stuff at all.

                            My theory is that our brains are goal driven pattern recognition devices. They always need a target, and will recognize patterns that get the target.

                            In the process of finding these patterns that reach the goal, our thoughts stumble upon great new ways to do things.

                            Writing goals twice a day is like pure magic! It messes with our neurons and realigns our thought processes from mindless clutter into a heat seeking missile.
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                              Originally Posted by DABK View Post

                              I have an idea.
                              Originally Posted by Dan McCoy
                              I have no idea.
                              There is no real secret or mystery, the basics are simple and in 2 parts

                              1. As we think so are we 2. we have the power to choose what we think

                              you choose what to think and by writing them down your focusing your thinking, you then re train your thinking / your thought several times a day, then as in 1. you become as you think.

                              All of this is in think and grow rich along with a lot of very similar strategies goal setting etc, there is even a version of the book with action pack / planner
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                            Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

                            I have no idea. I don't believe in "The Secret" or law of attraction type stuff at all.

                            My theory is that our brains are goal driven pattern recognition devices. They always need a target, and will recognize patterns that get the target.

                            In the process of finding these patterns that reach the goal, our thoughts stumble upon great new ways to do things.

                            Writing goals twice a day is like pure magic! It messes with our neurons and realigns our thought processes from mindless clutter into a heat seeking missile.
                            It's funny you should say that you don't believe in "law of attraction type of stuff at all" but yet you set goals, write them down twice, make plans and take massive action, continuously improve yourself and your business -
                            this is part of "the law of attraction". The law of attraction isn't just about visualization, affirmations and whistling positive tunes. There are many other elements to the complete law of attraction and that is continous improvement, implementing the plans by taking the required actions and sheer hard work and dedication mixed with discipline - so I would say you do believe in the "law of attraction"
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                              Originally Posted by dave147 View Post

                              It's funny you should say that you don't believe in "law of attraction type of stuff at all" but yet you set goals, write them down twice, make plans and take massive action, continuously improve yourself and your business -
                              this is part of "the law of attraction". The law of attraction isn't just about visualization, affirmations and whistling positive tunes. There are many other elements to the complete law of attraction and that is continous improvement, implementing the plans by taking the required actions and sheer hard work and dedication mixed with discipline - so I would say you do believe in the "law of attraction"
                              I was referring to this nonsense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_...n_(New_Thought)

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              Originally Posted by thet View Post

              Last year I managed to get a 400$ extra in base salary.
              .

              I read you read 50 books last year and worked 80 hours.
              I have not read the whole thread but have to ask you this . Did you invest that money wisely or did you spend it ? That's seed money for a business.. If you consumed it your attitude towards money needs to change.

              Some people spend there entire lives reading but doing very little else. They think by learning they are becoming some one. By reading a book about the subject or attending seminars your going no where. . Instead take action and actually try something that leads to a sale.
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                Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

                I have not read the whole thread but have to ask you this . Did you invest that money wisely or did you spend it ? That's seed money for a business.. If you consumed it your attitude towards money needs to change.

                Some people spend there entire lives reading but doing very little else. They think by learning they are becoming some one. By reading a book about the subject or attending seminars your going no where. . Instead take action and actually try something that leads to a sale.
                I have saved a lot last year.
                And you are right. Reading might be for me a way to lie about the real level of action i am taking. I truly believe reading will enhance my thinking. Which would also mean my actions will become smarter. It's also inspiration, i love autobiographies. Lessons of a lifetime in a couple of hours!
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              Originally Posted by thet View Post

              I need to learn the right principles around making money because I am off here on several things. I am off track, I feel it in my bones. I also need to learn valueable skills. And I understand this will take time. I need to outwork and outsmart my space. I need to focus, get down to it and really get good at one thing.
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              I bet you have not read and understood think and grow rich, and instead of thinking that reading a gazzillion books is the answer read one or two, highlight every word that means somethig to you then act on those words, you can read everyday and it will mean squat until you action those words in the book. If you had read and understood the book you would not write as above.

              Social media
              - Develop punishments for checking them
              - Rewards for a month none of it
              - Delete acounts
              - Focus on 80/20. What can I do to get the same rewards that I get from using SM?
              - Become a social media producer instead of costumer
              /\ sorry but rubbish reply, you want to punish yourself for checking social media ? sounds like your scolding a child and not an adult thing to do, rewards for a month of it again very child like, just get on and do what you need to do without the crap rules, delete accounts ? third on the list, ? if that was first would that not remove parts one and two anyway.

              You then write become a sm producer not a consumer ? how do you know what a consumer wants if you have closed your accounts and do not use sm ? seems strange / and produce what? is it in your path forward or is produce something just part of what you think you need to do ?

              > to me it just seems you go around in circles just asking questions (and maybe thats your gig ?), and forever getting spun up in talk and with very little walk, spinning round and round going no where flat out confusing yourself even more everyday.
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                Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

                I bet you have not read and understood think and grow rich, and instead of thinking that reading a gazzillion books is the answer read one or two, highlight every word that means somethig to you then act on those words, you can read everyday and it will mean squat until you action those words in the book. If you had read and understood the book you would not write as above.



                / sorry but rubbish reply, you want to punish yourself for checking social media ? sounds like your scolding a child and not an adult thing to do, rewards for a month of it again very child like, just get on and do what you need to do without the crap rules, delete accounts ? third on the list, ? if that was first would that not remove parts one and two anyway.

                You then write become a sm producer not a consumer ? how do you know what a consumer wants if you have closed your accounts and do not use sm ? seems strange / and produce what? is it in your path forward or is produce something just part of what you think you need to do ?

                > to me it just seems you go around in circles just asking questions (and maybe thats your gig ?), and forever getting spun up in talk and with very little walk, spinning round and round going no where flat out confusing yourself even more everyday.
                I don't think it is right to tell someone else what their goals should be. We simply do not have enough info. We don't know anything about him or his situation.

                All I will do, is see what his goal is, and try to help him reach it. At this point in his life, he obviously feels these things are important.
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                  Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

                  I don't think it is right to tell someone else what their goals should be. .
                  where did I do that ? and sorry if that was implied.

                  All I will do, is see what his goal is, and try to help him reach it. At this point in his life, he obviously feels these things are important.
                  I am sure Thet appreciates your help.
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                Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

                / sorry but rubbish reply, you want to punish yourself for checking social media ? sounds like your scolding a child and not an adult thing to do, rewards for a month of it again very child like, just get on and do what you need to do without the crap rules, delete accounts ? third on the list, ? if that was first would that not remove parts one and two anyway.

                You then write become a sm producer not a consumer ? how do you know what a consumer wants if you have closed your accounts and do not use sm ? seems strange / and produce what? is it in your path forward or is produce something just part of what you think you need to do ?

                > to me it just seems you go around in circles just asking questions (and maybe thats your gig ?), and forever getting spun up in talk and with very little walk, spinning round and round going no where flat out confusing yourself even more everyday.
                He dude. Listen. First of all, perhaps make it a goal yourself to learn how to communicatie in 2015. Words as rubbish, telling me that I am more talk then walk etc.dont help. Dan made me (want to) do a "weird" exercise for a week, which I did this morning and will do tonight till next week. That's persuasion.

                That being said, I will focus on the core of your message which is; You don't like my 5 ideas when it comes to how to get my goals in 2015. Well, that's fair.

                I will give you a quote from Dan himself.

                OK - now give me five quick ideas you could pursue to get to $50k - don't worry if they are "realistic" or not - just brainstorm ideas and don't reject anything!
                That's what I literally had to do. Give him 5 quick ideas. Brainstorm, and don't reject anything. So yes, I came up with some ideas.
                Now Dan asked me, for the next week, to come up with 5 new ideas a day. I assume my ideas "how to" will get better and better. That's probably part of the goal for this exercise this week.

                This morning, I did tweaked my goals a little bit.
                I made "Eliminate social media" into "I have eliminated unproductive internet usage from life".

                It might even be better to change "internet usage" into "unproductive activity" but I am not sure if I can keep changing my goals. And, to be honest, the number 1 unproductive activty I do, is internet. Being it social media, articles, porn.. etc.
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                  Originally Posted by thet View Post

                  He dude. Listen. First of all, perhaps make it a goal yourself to learn how to communicatie in 2015. Words as rubbish, telling me that I am more talk then walk etc.dont help. Dan made me (want to) do a "weird" exercise for a week, which I did this morning and will do tonight till next week. That's persuasion.

                  That being said, I will focus on the core of your message which is; You don't like my 5 ideas when it comes to how to get my goals in 2015. Well, that's fair.

                  I will give you a quote from Dan himself.
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                  My name is Pete not Dude, I was referring to the goals being rubbish not your words per se, and was not personal or meant to be. But with that I will admit I missed Dans part where he asked you to that exercise, so I apologies to you and Dan for that.

                  Have worked and trained more people than I can count so also forgive the talk and walk comments, just that I have seen and heard it over and over to many times.

                  You indicate the your the real deal and are going to step up to the table so I wish you the best in your travels and again sorry for mis reading the full story between you and Dan, so I will step back and leave you to it.
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                    Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

                    My name is Pete not Dude, I was referring to the goals being rubbish not your words per se, and was not personal or meant to be. But with that I will admit I missed Dans part where he asked you to that exercise, so I apologies to you and Dan for that.

                    Have worked and trained more people than I can count so also forgive the talk and walk comments, just that I have seen and heard it over and over to many times.

                    You indicate the your the real deal and are going to step up to the table so I wish you the best in your travels and again sorry for mis reading the full story between you and Dan, so I will step back and leave you to it.
                    Advice is always appreciated.
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                      Originally Posted by thet View Post


                      That's what I literally had to do. Give him 5 quick ideas. Brainstorm, and don't reject anything. So yes, I came up with some ideas.
                      Now Dan asked me, for the next week, to come up with 5 new ideas a day. I assume my ideas "how to" will get better and better. That's probably part of the goal for this exercise this week.

                      This morning, I did tweaked my goals a little bit.
                      I made "Eliminate social media" into "I have eliminated unproductive internet usage from life".

                      It might even be better to change "internet usage" into "unproductive activity" but I am not sure if I can keep changing my goals. And, to be honest, the number 1 unproductive activty I do, is internet. Being it social media, articles, porn.. etc.
                      This is great and exactly what I wanted you to see - your goals are always imperfect and changing - and that is OK.

                      I have one that I changed this morning. I've been writing it twice a day for almost a year now and last week I realized that something just still didn't feel right about it. As I was writing it, I modified one word, and it felt better, but still not quite right.

                      This morning when I wrote it, I made one more small tweak - and now...it is perfect. It brought a smile to my face. Finally, 10 months later, I got the goal correct. I know what I want in that situation.

                      Only now, can I REALLY get behind it. Only now, does it REALLY give me more reason to push.

                      You have to know what you want if you are going to reach it. You can have the best map in the world, but if you don't know your destination, you will not get anywhere.

                      "If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there." - Lewis Carroll

                      Doesn't it seem obvious now? How can you get what you want, if you don't really KNOW what that is?

                      How can you turn your will towards something, if you don't know what that something even is?

                      Like I said, there are 14 on my list right now. The first has to do with my immediate production goal. The last one is that "I have lived to at least 100." I'm going to write that last one twice a day, until I can check it off, in 2076. It gives me a great deal of satisfaction already, and helps me take good care of my health.

                      I'm going to suggest that you might want to tweak your $50k goal - but it is completely up to you and how you feel when you write it.

                      Instead of "I have made $50,000 in one year" consider "I have made $50,000."

                      Because hey, you never know, you might be able to make $50,000 in less than a year. Right?

                      Some people say "I have made $1 million in 5 years" but maybe that doesn't feel right to them - maybe it will not take them that long.

                      The point is, you don't just want to make $50,000 - you want to make it as quickly as possible.

                      It might take you 10 months. It might take you 15 months. Who knows what is possible for you? You don't even really know how long it will take. So, if you don't KNOW how long it will take, how can you REALLY know you will reach your goal?

                      The point is to write goals you can believe in and get behind 100%. Right now, it might be difficult for you to believe that you can make $50k in one year. But, you can probably easily believe that you WILL reach $50k at some point.

                      And that gives you something to daydream about. Something to push for. Something to believe in. And most importantly - something to check off the list.

                      Once you check one thing off, you replace it with another, larger goal.

                      "Winning is a habit. Unfortunately so is losing." - Vince Lombardi

                      Great goals feel perfect. They feel doable. Something clicks in your mind when you get it just right. Maybe in a few months you will learn something new that will cause you to tweak that goal a little. It doesn't matter. They are your goals and this is your life.

                      You shouldn't be a servant of your goals. Your goals should serve you.

                      Keep generating ideas - we will use some of them. And remember, if you get an idea at a random time today, don't try to remember it, write it down.

                      Our mind is a strange thing. When it gives us a flash of inspiration - it only lets us remember it for a few minutes - and then, 99% of the time, it is gone and you will never get it back.

                      Treat these moments of inspiration like gold - because that is exactly what they are.
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                        Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

                        Great goals feel perfect. They feel doable. Something clicks in your mind when you get it just right. Maybe in a few months you will learn something new that will cause you to tweak that goal a little. It doesn't matter. They are your goals and this is your life.

                        Our mind is a strange thing. When it gives us a flash of inspiration - it only lets us remember it for a few minutes - and then, 99% of the time, it is gone and you will never get it back.
                        This reminds me of visualisation techniques I used when setting a world record for the furthest throw of an object that any human had undertaken. 427.2m or four and half football fields...still stands to this day.

                        Several times I've been fortunate enough to be "in the groove" both personally and in business.

                        What I mean by this is in the sweet spot of supreme achievement.

                        1st it is definitely belief.

                        You must believe wholeheartedly that what you set out to do is "Already Done"

                        When you have the end in mind "In your mind" You breathe, eat and sleep it and it becomes part of your subconscious much like the habit part of this thread.

                        It also helps to have support like what you get from people like Dan and others in this forum who give so much support with no obligation or indenture from you.

                        This is something that true mentors do and mostly they do it out of passion because they see potential and are rewarded in philosophical ways.

                        2nd Is repeated belief and refocussing on the goal whilst you actually make improvements and develop yourself.

                        3rd is the leap of faith that you make one day when you know you'll fly.

                        The quantum leaps happen when you have the correct belief structure in place because all actions are governed from this core.

                        Thank you for bringing out areas of discussion that would help most people if they could be bothered to read and in their own mind question some of the nuggets discussed in this thread.
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                          reminds me of catching a fly ball.

                          we recognize the pattern (human nature), estimate it's trajectory (perception),
                          and in a split second decide (leap of faith)
                          whether we can reach the ball's landing point (goal).

                          if you start at zero, same process, just a smaller throw & catch.
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    I will add this to my daily routine. Curious what the effect will be.
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    Interesting development.
    day 1 evening:
    - goals have been changed:
    Ã-- 1 goal is added
    Ã-- 1 goal i have 10x'ed
    - the 5 ways of getting there has become clearer.
    - i have brainstormed deeper (and less quick) than yesterday

    I now have a total of 3 goals. I can imagine i will add one again. You can zoom in with some of the ways you want to reach a goal and then make that a goal in itself in the process.
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    Morning update: Tweaked my goals a bit again + another goal added.

    Not going to show them all next week, must be honest. Some are on a very personal level while others are more career related. Hope that's okay.
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      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      Morning update: Tweaked my goals a bit again + another goal added.

      Not going to show them all next week, must be honest. Some are on a very personal level while others are more career related. Hope that's okay.
      I only asked you to list some here to get things started. In reality, almost ALL of these should be private. Do not tell anyone. Not even your GF.

      There has been research which shows telling your goals makes you less likely to complete them. Just telling people gives your brain a reward, and lessens your motivation.

      Mine are totally private, save 1 or 2 that my wife knows about.

      This is another powerful trick you should try.
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        Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

        I only asked you to list some here to get things started. In reality, almost ALL of these should be private. Do not tell anyone. Not even your GF.

        There has been research which shows telling your goals makes you less likely to complete them. Just telling people gives your brain a reward, and lessens your motivation.

        Mine are totally private, save 1 or 2 that my wife knows about.

        This is another powerful trick you should try.
        The less the wife / GF knows.. the better you are! My 6yr old probably knows more about my goals and ambitions than anyone. He on occasion tells me that some of the ideas are crazy! the little snot! There have been a few cases where that drove me even more.
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    Morning update: Another goal added, and keep realising, like Dan said, that even little words can make a huge difference.

    I keep going back and forth between what number I want to earn.

    I could go for 7,000.000 euro (because in a life time, I could definitely earn that) or I could go for smaller, say, what I could earn this year. Which is obviously way way less.
    What I write down, probably means less then the way to get there (in this case). Since, the ways I come up with to get there, are the same.. for example "get really good at what I do" (probably because I have limited HOW-TO in earning money)

    It also becomes more challenging to come up with new idea how to get to my goals, but it does amazes me that I keep coming up with stuff. Better then what I thought about yesterday.
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    In the past when I've mentioned goals, it's been to the wrong people and their skepticism was deflating.
    Has anybody here ever had an accountability partner? Does that work? (I have never tried it.)

    With respect to writing goals, I think that because writing is a physical thing, it has a physical effect like practicing a sport and learning to rely on muscle memory - such as hitting a baseball when you focus on the ball and the swing becomes automatic.

    It also becomes a visible promise to oneself, a commitment to keep that triggers the actions needed.

    It does work extraordinarily well. This article quotes the 1979 Harvard MBA studies where the 3%
    who did have written goals were earning 10 times the amount of the other 97% :

    Why You Should Be Writing Down Your Goals - Forbes

    Even if the 1979 or 1953 study of Harvard or Yale students did not happen, it's still proven to be effective to have written goals - statistically significantly and anecdotally:

    https://rapidbi.com/harvard-yale-wri...ct-or-fiction/


    Taking just 2 to 5 steps every work day towards business goals looks like 'massive action' after a few months of consistent effort.
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    • Profile picture of the author thet
      Two weeks ago I started reading "7 habits of highly effective people again".
      Habit 2 is about leadership.
      Only now I made a click between leadership and managing. Why you are the CEO of your own life and what you need to do to be that effectively.

      What I am practicing now, is leadership.

      And writing down, not sure why it works, but I do think it's a great habit to think daily about your vision, tweaking it, adding it. So maybe that's it.
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        Originally Posted by thet View Post

        Two weeks ago I started reading "7 habits of highly effective people again".
        Habit 2 is about leadership.
        Only now I made a click between leadership and managing. Why you are the CEO of your own life and what you need to do to be that effectively.

        What I am practicing now, is leadership.

        And writing down, not sure why it works, but I do think it's a great habit to think daily about your vision, tweaking it, adding it. So maybe that's it.
        Man that's a great point. We must learn to lead ourselves before we can lead others!
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    Well. I did it. I kept it at 3 goals so far, because every time I wrote down a new goal, I quickly released "wait, this is a WAY to get to this goal".

    It did became harder to find new ways, but that also made for some eye opening moments, "wait a second, am I really that selfish?" or "Wow, why didn't I think of that sooner".

    Thanks Dan. This was a good challenge!
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      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      Well. I did it. I kept it at 3 goals so far, because every time I wrote down a new goal, I quickly released "wait, this is a WAY to get to this goal".

      It did became harder to find new ways, but that also made for some eye opening moments, "wait a second, am I really that selfish?" or "Wow, why didn't I think of that sooner".

      Thanks Dan. This was a good challenge!
      Alright - so keep writing them twice a day as much as possible. AT LEAST once a day in the mornings, and twice when you can.

      I'm willing to bet you are more clear than ever about what you are chasing. As you keep doing it you will get even more clear.

      So now - you said the goal for a year is $50k. What does that mean, really?

      Let's say right now you are making $30k - you don't need to ADD $50k - you only need to add $20k to your current situation.

      So - in your daily idea session, start thinking of ways to add $20k to your income. That's $1,700 a month. About $450 a week. If you work 6 days a week, that's $75 a day.

      So, in your session, think of things you can do for $75 a day, that you can eventually do 6 times per week.

      I bet you can come up with a few good ideas right now. Things that are in line with what you want in life. Things that you can do already.

      You don't have to shift the earth or anything (not yet) - but I bet you know many things that could pay you $75, and you like to do.

      Take this week - keep writing your goals, look at all the ideas you have already written, and brainstorm ways to get $75 - that you could eventually do every day.

      This stuff doesn't have to be done on your own. Maybe you could find things to do for your work that will justify a raise, then maybe you only need to make $50 extra per day.

      It doesn't matter where the money comes from - you just can find a combination of ways to increase your contribution to society, equal to the value of the amount you need.

      Again - if you go through this with me over the next few weeks - I guarantee you will have a better sense of purpose than ever before.
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    Thanks man. The big take away for me is that I need to get thinking about the end goal more often. Figuring out where I want to go and how to get there.

    It's also an 80/20 thing. Exercise improves my life on a major level, so I should do that more often.

    I still think I will get to the point of 50k way to slow. I can't read my way into succes and to get a raise to get me to 50k, well, that would mean such a big raise. It's unrealistic. So, I realised I need to stay at this employer for 1-2 years, and then go to another employer and ask for the a higher salary.

    Still, it will take years, not a year. Frustrating to the bone. Because I know I am capable of way more but I don't see to many ways to really do them now. I realised it's not even about the cash. Its about capability, and wanting to do more. Realising I can do more. Bring more value to the table where more salary is an obvious side-effect.

    My current employer wants me to keep telemarketing and do a little bit of marketing on the side. On the plus side, I might get approval to get a formal education trough them, but then again, with the commitment that I will stay 1-2 years.

    So, I either get a commission based job, which would mean a sales job.

    I came to the conclusion this week I want to specialize in marketing. My talents / strengths give me a way bigger chance of succeeding / edge in marketing then in sales. I have been in sales for a year now. On friday, I am happy its weekend. On sunday, I am sad the weekend is over. Not a great sign.

    So although I realise I need to keep my focus on where I want to go. I know, I am not in the best position to get where I want to be money wise and career-wise, it's going to slow for my flavor.
    Keep in mind, 50k, would almost mean doubling up my salary. That's how little I earn now.
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  • Profile picture of the author thet
    I also think that's why I made this thread. I am really looking for ways to get the ball roling more quickly.
    I don't even need my own business or anything.
    I just want to give my intelligence a real challenge. And bring the company I work for the brain I have, instead of the monkey stuff I am doing.

    What you said about self-esteem got me thinking lately. And, I do believe I can earn more. Bring more value. I do want to live a better life and own that shit.
    But,
    with this speed, I only have a little extra achievement in the end of 2015. Because I need to stick to this job and this employer, no matter how great he is, will obviously not give me that big of a jump in 1 year. If we talking about realistic goal setting, 30k would be the utmost I will get in raise for the upcoming year.
    That's not negative, but employers dont give 40% raises.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Thet,

    I know that people make $40,000 to $50,000 per month, but did not know it until
    I worked with people who made that much. I think something like that has to happen to
    make things believable, tangible for just about anybody.

    An engineer friend of mine is almost always looking for better jobs in his field. Meaning that while
    employed he steadily applies for other positions because he knows he can find more money, or a
    better atmosphere. In his saving accounts, he has several times the amount of his monthly living expenses so he can always leave a job he can't stand, or he has an emergency.

    So, you can keep moving towards your first level financial goals - maybe create additional responsibilities or a new position at your current employer, or another employer. Or create
    a side income and grow that.

    Dan
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    Thanks man. The big take away for me is that I need to get thinking about the end goal more often. Figuring out where I want to go and how to get there.
    This is good thinking. I think also I would add you need both a hypothesis and you need to quickly test this hypothesis or move onto something else. It doesn't cost money to put up a landing page or post on a forum to gauge feedback for an idea you have. Once it's validated, you can seed your idea for relatively little money.

    The biggest hurdle to overcome is this initial capital to start the business, but once you have validation for an idea, the world is yours.
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    • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      I still think I will get to the point of 50k way to slow. I can't read my way into succes and to get a raise to get me to 50k, well, that would mean such a big raise. It's unrealistic. So, I realised I need to stay at this employer for 1-2 years, and then go to another employer and ask for the a higher salary.

      Still, it will take years, not a year. Frustrating to the bone. Because I know I am capable of way more but I don't see to many ways to really do them now. I realised it's not even about the cash. Its about capability, and wanting to do more. Realising I can do more. Bring more value to the table where more salary is an obvious side-effect.

      Not a great sign.

      So although I realise I need to keep my focus on where I want to go. I know, I am not in the best position to get where I want to be money wise and career-wise, it's going to slow for my flavor.
      Keep in mind, 50k, would almost mean doubling up my salary. That's how little I earn now.
      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      I also think that's why I made this thread. I am really looking for ways to get the ball roling more quickly.
      I don't even need my own business or anything.
      I just want to give my intelligence a real challenge. And bring the company I work for the brain I have, instead of the monkey stuff I am doing.

      What you said about self-esteem got me thinking lately. And, I do believe I can earn more. Bring more value. I do want to live a better life and own that shit.
      But,
      with this speed, I only have a little extra achievement in the end of 2015. Because I need to stick to this job and this employer, no matter how great he is, will obviously not give me that big of a jump in 1 year. If we talking about realistic goal setting, 30k would be the utmost I will get in raise for the upcoming year.
      That's not negative, but employers dont give 40% raises.
      You have been defeated. Look at all of the negativity.

      Your only limitations are in your own mind. Literally - YOU are determining your future.

      There are no laws that force your above statements to be true.

      If you believe you can, or believe you can't - you are right.

      We are not yet halfway through the process I was giving you. Literally, giving you. Years of frustration, trial, and error and wasted time have brought me to where I am and to the process I am showing.

      There is only one thing that is impossible in this world - and that is doing something you do not believe you will be able to do.

      It's too bad. Going from $25k to $50k is entirely within the realm of possibility for you, you just don't know it yet.
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      • Profile picture of the author thet
        Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

        You have been defeated. Look at all of the negativity.

        Your only limitations are in your own mind. Literally - YOU are determining your future.

        There are no laws that force your above statements to be true.

        If you believe you can, or believe you can't - you are right.

        We are not yet halfway through the process I was giving you. Literally, giving you. Years of frustration, trial, and error and wasted time have brought me to where I am and to the process I am showing.

        There is only one thing that is impossible in this world - and that is doing something you do not believe you will be able to do.

        It's too bad. Going from $25k to $50k is entirely within the realm of possibility for you, you just don't know it yet.
        Look Dan, It's 05.30 pm and I am again doing the exercise, for myself.
        So no, I am not defeated.
        I already found some ways to get more out of life that really benefits me.

        But is it really so weird that I think it's unrealistic to double my income this year with the current mindset + skill level?
        it may be 1 year, which is highly unlikely, but i am sure i will get to x ammount at some point.
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        • Profile picture of the author savidge4
          Originally Posted by thet View Post

          Look Dan, It's 05.30 pm and I am again doing the exercise, for myself.
          So no, I am not defeated.
          I already found some ways to get more out of life that really benefits me.

          But is it really so weird that I think it's unrealistic to double my income this year with the current mindset + skill level?
          Thet,

          Dan Is pointing out that the entry of the idea that it is unrealistic is self defeating. and no, it really isn't unrealistic. as far as skill level, this week alone, you have shown added skill in newsletter writing.. what's it going to be next week?

          You simply cant base future expectations on current conditions. things WILL change.. they have to.. as you change your MIND.. your current conditions will change accordingly.
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          • Profile picture of the author thet
            Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

            Thet,

            Dan Is pointing out that the entry of the idea that it is unrealistic is self defeating. and no, it really isn't unrealistic. as far as skill level, this week alone, you have shown added skill in newsletter writing.. what's it going to be next week?

            You simply cant base future expectations on current conditions. things WILL change.. they have to.. as you change your MIND.. your current conditions will change accordingly.
            Good points. And money will follow aslong as I keep focussing on growing my skill-level and my mindset. That I believe.
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        • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
          Originally Posted by thet View Post


          But is it really so weird that I think it's unrealistic to double my income this year with the current mindset + skill level?
          it may be 1 year, which is highly unlikely, but i am sure i will get to x ammount at some point.
          No, it is not weird. You are 100% correct in your thinking.

          In fact, what you are thinking is downright normal.

          And your experience will play out exactly as you believe it will.

          And my experience will play out exactly how I believe it will.

          As I said above - the only thing that is really impossible is for someone to do something they do not believe they can do.

          Nothing is 100% - But, what if you did believe you could do it. How much more likely are you to hit your goal?

          If you don't believe you can, you have 0% chance.

          Let's pretend if you would believe you could, make a plan, and work hard, that you have a 25% chance of making it.

          Isn't a 25% chance better than 0 chance?

          Let's say you make your plan, and you work your ass off, what % chance do you have to reach your goal in year 2?

          50% maybe?

          If you don't believe you can, make a plan, and work your ass off, in year two you will still have 0% chance.

          50% is better than 0%.

          What about year 3?

          I would lay $1,000 on it. If you truly believe you can, you make a plan, and work your ass off, that by year 3 you'd hit your goal.

          If you never believe you can, make a plan, and work your ass off, you will never hit any goal.

          So let's imagine your life 3 years from now. Will you still be doing what you are doing? Wish you had more?

          Maybe you had some raises by then. But, which scenario is better?

          Under which situation will you be farther ahead and closer to your ideal life? Should you believe, plan, and work or not?

          I would bet another $1,000 - that if you truly saw your own potential, you would believe you could double your income this year.

          Once you get your head right, you realize literally nothing is impossible. You realize that you are NOT stuck in this position you are in. The whole world is open to you.

          There are 7 billion people - and many of them will double their income this year. It is happening all around you. Only you can keep you where you are.

          I don't really know you - and I have more faith in you than you do in yourself. But as I said, it is impossible to do what you do not believe you can do.

          If you do not believe you can do something, your level of action will not be correct.

          If you believe you can't - you will act accordingly, and prove yourself to be correct.

          If you believe you can - you will act accordingly, and prove yourself to be correct.

          Think of the last time you were going for a new max clean and jerk or a new PR on the snatch. There comes a point where you must KNOW you can do a certain weight, and no matter how hard you must try, you will put your 100% effort, even more than 100%, and you get it done. Or, you don't get it done that day, and you train like a maniac for a few weeks, and then it happens.

          If you never believe you can hit the PR, train like a maniac, and then put in 100% - you will never hit the PR.

          Sometimes I have even wondered if I was about to injure myself. But, it didn't matter, I KNEW I could jerk that much weight. So I WENT ALL IN and got it done.

          It is exactly the same with every single aspect of your life.
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    Sadvidge said I had low self-worth. He might be right. Let's see how it all will turn out to be.
    I am just a bit unclear in the ways to get where I want to go.
    Because what I did so far to get there, has not worked. "Stuck in my ways".
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    • Profile picture of the author kirbymarketingconcierge
      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      Sadvidge said I had low self-worth. He might be right. Let's see how it all will turn out to be.
      I am just a bit unclear in the ways to get where I want to go.
      Because what I did so far to get there, has not worked. "Stuck in my ways".
      Savidge might be right?

      He is right.

      an alternative for you:

      Assume he is right and make decisions now with that assumption.
      you will get different results, and see for yourself where you want to go.

      you are brave to reveal so much of yourself online.

      but I would be remiss if I didn't share me real responses.
      but, I may not do this much longer. I am from a different generation and like my privacy.

      this reminds me of when I was beaten down from a job I had years ago with over 20 post-it notes decorating my cubicle. And, It wasn't pretty. calling me a loser, sucker, idiot, etc..,
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      • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
        You work in a smallish company that is growing right?

        One that has sales systems, order processing systems, fulfillment systems, maintainance systems, HR systems, legal systems, property systems, financial systems yes?

        In other words one that has been set up from scratch by someone who knows what they are doing and will have gross revenues probably exceeding $1 million a year.

        So is that person still there on a daily basis. I'm guessing yes but could be wrong.

        Why don't you book an hour of his time (before or after the formal working hours) and tell him what you want to achieve preferably via his company?

        What do you think he is going to say to you? To save you thinking time the answer will be yes, he will sit down with you.

        The most successful person you know right now will be him. So ask him. He had nothing at some point in time. Now he doesn't.

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        • Profile picture of the author thet
          Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

          You work in a smallish company that is growing right?

          One that has sales systems, order processing systems, fulfillment systems, maintainance systems, HR systems, legal systems, property systems, financial systems yes?

          In other words one that has been set up from scratch by someone who knows what they are doing and will have gross revenues probably exceeding $1 million a year.

          So is that person still there on a daily basis. I'm guessing yes but could be wrong.

          Why don't you book an hour of his time (before or after the formal working hours) and tell him what you want to achieve preferably via his company?

          What do you think he is going to say to you? To save you thinking time the answer will be yes, he will sit down with you.

          The most successful person you know right now will be him. So ask him. He had nothing at some point in time. Now he doesn't.

          Dan
          He great thinking. However, we are that team. We have 12 people. Mostly sales reps.


          We just put all those processes in place, just before I got in the company.
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    • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      Sadvidge said I had low self-worth. He might be right. Let's see how it all will turn out to be.
      I am just a bit unclear in the ways to get where I want to go.
      Because what I did so far to get there, has not worked. "Stuck in my ways".
      Listen....

      You're are not a VICTIM

      You are not a victim of circumstance.

      You must embrace RESPONSIBILITY

      I noticed some self-doubt THET in your Newsletter post and there is a hidden but obvious undercurrent running in some of your posting.

      You need to embrace that you have Responsibility for where you are.

      From what I've seen you have the ability to accept this responsibility and break free once and for all from the VICTIM that is living like parasite inside your real being.

      You are going to kill this parasite.

      When the sun rises you will get a grasp of this.

      If it isn't tomorrow it is coming so better to make it NOW.
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      • Profile picture of the author thet
        Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

        Listen....

        You're are not a VICTIM

        You are not a victim of circumstance.

        You must embrace RESPONSIBILITY

        I noticed some self-doubt THET in your Newsletter post and there is a hidden but obvious undercurrent running in some of your posting.

        You need to embrace that you have Responsibility for where you are.

        From what I've seen you have the ability to accept this responsibility and break free once and for all from the VICTIM that is living like parasite inside your real being.

        You are going to kill this parasite.

        When the sun rises you will get a grasp of this.

        If it isn't tomorrow it is coming so better to make it NOW.
        Haha That would be awesome! Not sure where I am a victim. Don't view myself as that.
        Maybe you guys are simply way more positive then I am.
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        • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
          Originally Posted by thet View Post

          Haha That would be awesome! Not sure where I am a victim. Don't view myself as that.
          Maybe you guys are simply way more positive then I am.
          Yes there is definitely victim speech in your posts.

          It's not about positivity. Personally, I am trying to push you over the edge. You do not yet fully believe that you are 100% responsible for where you are, and therefor 100% responsible for where you will go. The only limits exist in our minds and are self-imposed.

          Every single aspect of your life is the result of your past thoughts, beliefs, and actions. You had an idea, believed you could do it, and so you acted.

          You thought about getting a girl, you believed you could, and so you acted on it.

          You thought about having your job, believed you could, and you acted on it.

          You thought about having your car, apartment/house, clothes - believed you could, and acted on it.

          If this is true, then you can take absolute control of your future by deciding what you will think, believe, and act.

          We become what we think about. If we can believe it, then set about doing it, we will have it.

          What says you can't double your income???? WHO SAYS???? WHO IS SAYING THAT?

          Is there some physical law that says thet can't make $50k? No!

          WHO IS SAYING YOU CANNOT MAKE $50K????
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          • Profile picture of the author thet
            Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

            Yes there is definitely victim speech in your posts.

            It's not about positivity. Personally, I am trying to push you over the edge. You do not yet fully believe that you are 100% responsible for where you are, and therefor 100% responsible for where you will go. The only limits exist in our minds and are self-imposed.

            Every single aspect of your life is the result of your past thoughts, beliefs, and actions. You had an idea, believed you could do it, and so you acted.

            You thought about getting a girl, you believed you could, and so you acted on it.

            You thought about having your job, believed you could, and you acted on it.

            You thought about having your car, apartment/house, clothes - believed you could, and acted on it.

            If this is true, then you can take absolute control of your future by deciding what you will think, believe, and act.

            We become what we think about. If we can believe it, then set about doing it, we will have it.

            What says you can't double your income???? WHO SAYS???? WHO IS SAYING THAT?

            Is there some physical law that says thet can't make $50k? No!

            WHO IS SAYING YOU CANNOT MAKE $50K????
            I am saying I cant make it in 1 year from now.
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            • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
              What country are you in?

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                Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

                What country are you in?

                Dan
                I live in Germany
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                • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
                  Okay. I didn't think you were American.

                  Do you see your company growing into a mediumish company? Someone has a plan and you work with that person closely if there are 12 of you.

                  There is nothing wrong with staying at a growing start up. You can learn a lot of things useful for later.

                  The marketing dept right now is non existant yes? That is why he asked you, in a sales function to do the newsletters. As they grow they will divert budget towards marketing more and more so I can see an opportunity for you there.

                  Patience is a good thing long as you know what you are working towards.

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                  • Profile picture of the author thet
                    Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

                    Okay. I didn't think you were American.

                    Do you see your company growing into a mediumish company? Someone has a plan and you work with that person closely if there are 12 of you.

                    There is nothing wrong with staying at a growing start up. You can learn a lot of things useful for later.

                    The marketing dept right now is non existant yes? That is why he asked you, in a sales function to do the newsletters. As they grow they will divert budget towards marketing more and more so I can see an opportunity for you there.

                    Patience is a good thing long as you know what you are working towards.

                    Dan
                    Sales would actually be awesome. I am great at presentations. On the other hand, the feedback from managers and such so far, and family, they dont see me as a sales person.
                    So marketing ,ight be a way better idea for me
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                      Originally Posted by thet View Post

                      Sales would actually be awesome. I am great at presentations. On the other hand, the feedback from managers and such so far, and family, they dont see me as a sales person.
                      So marketing ,ight be a way better idea for me
                      If you get results as a salesperson, or believe you can, then go for it.

                      I understand loyalty to a company, but if they prove they are not the avenue to your goals,
                      then why not look for other opportunities?
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              Originally Posted by thet View Post

              I am saying I cant make it in 1 year from now.
              Yes. And of course, you will not.
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                Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

                Yes. And of course, you will not.
                I understand your point Dan and I am not trying to NOT listen to you.
                However, I can't just force myself into believing I can double my income this year, or can I?
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                • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
                  Originally Posted by thet View Post

                  I understand your point Dan and I am not trying to NOT listen to you.
                  However, I can't just force myself into believing I can double my income this year, or can I?
                  I don't know. I know you can do it. But you don't - so that's a real problem.

                  OK how about this - what is a number you CAN believe in?

                  What is something you feel is reasonable in Germany, one of the richest and smartest nations in the world.
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                    Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

                    I don't know. I know you can do it. But you don't - so that's a real problem.

                    OK how about this - what is a number you CAN believe in?

                    What is something you feel is reasonable in Germany, one of the richest and smartest nations in the world.
                    this year, I think I can get around 500 euro extra on my base salary.
                    When I add bonus to it, it will be 1k more.
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                      Originally Posted by thet View Post

                      this year, I think I can get around 500 euro extra on my base salary.
                      When I add bonus to it, it will be 1k more.
                      Ok, let me ask, is your salary your only option for earning any money?

                      You don't know of ANY ways to bring in additional money?

                      I find that hard to believe. Most people are only at this forum because they believe there are ways to make money.
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                      • Profile picture of the author thet
                        Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

                        Ok, let me ask, is your salary your only option for earning any money?

                        You don't know of ANY ways to bring in additional money?

                        I find that hard to believe. Most people are only at this forum because they believe there are ways to make money.
                        Online poker, which I was good at, at some point.

                        I am not sure how I found this forum. As you see, I have been here since 2012.
                        I am sure there are ways to make money on the side,
                        but if you mean something entrepreneurial, at the moment: no

                        I think we talked about this before. I have a financial thermostate. I would love to believe i could make big bucks, and I would love to create that awesome mindset of killing it (why would i otherwise read so much self-development). But, some things are simply not clicking. Maybe it will change,
                        but yeah
                        if I believe I can add another 500 this year, that would mean after 10 years, I would have an extra of 5k. So in 10 years, I might earn around the 8-10k a month, which would bring me to around 100k a year,

                        To my middle class mindset, that's awesome.

                        To my self-improvement junkie mindset, who read books like 'how to get rich', it's.. HMM, why did I waste so much time reading if I still not created the correct mindset

                        The more I think about it, the more I realise there really is something like a financial thermostate. And aslong as I don't break that ******* thing,..well, you know the rest.
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                          Originally Posted by thet View Post

                          but if you mean something entrepreneurial, at the moment: no

                          I think we talked about this before. I have a financial thermostate. I would love to believe i could make big bucks
                          You don't need to make big bucks. I'm talking about ANY side money.

                          I know people who make plenty of good money cleaning junk out of people's garage and hauling it away.

                          I know a guy who researches and writes white papers on the side for $1,200 each. He had one business pay him $5k over 6 months.

                          I know another person who just found one offer that converts well, then created a few landing pages collecting emails, and sent his list to that offer. Over time, he started making decent extra cash.

                          At Udemy.com - the average course creator makes around $7k per year per course. That's average. You can do better.

                          I just met a guy last week who has been painting cars as a hobby since he was young, has started doing custom motorcycle paint jobs on the weekends for $2,500 each.

                          This goes back to another post I made. The janitor for 20 years - works 40 hours a week and never learns how to do anything else. What a waste of life.

                          If you simply picked something, and spent 2 hours per day, and half day on the weekend, in a year you could be making great money with it.

                          This stuff isn't hard.

                          Are you SURE there is NO WAY you can earn more money? Or, have you just closed your mind to the idea?

                          If so, you yourself have to live with the results of your choices. Your outcome has nothing to do with your education or experience, your economy or job.
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                          • Profile picture of the author thet
                            Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

                            You don't need to make big bucks. I'm talking about ANY side money.

                            I know people who make plenty of good money cleaning junk out of people's garage and hauling it away.

                            I know a guy who researches and writes white papers on the side for $1,200 each. He had one business pay him $5k over 6 months.

                            I know another person who just found one offer that converts well, then created a few landing pages collecting emails, and sent his list to that offer. Over time, he started making decent extra cash.

                            At Udemy.com - the average course creator makes around $7k per year per course. That's average. You can do better.

                            I just met a guy last week who has been painting cars as a hobby since he was young, has started doing custom motorcycle paint jobs on the weekends for $2,500 each.

                            This goes back to another post I made. The janitor for 20 years - works 40 hours a week and never learns how to do anything else. What a waste of life.

                            If you simply picked something, and spent 2 hours per day, and half day on the weekend, in a year you could be making great money with it.

                            This stuff isn't hard.

                            Are you SURE there is NO WAY you can earn more money? Or, have you just closed your mind to the idea?

                            If so, you yourself have to live with the results of your choices. Your outcome has nothing to do with your education or experience, your economy or job.
                            It all comes down to mindset.
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                              Originally Posted by thet View Post

                              It all comes down to mindset.
                              That's crap. This is you deflecting. This is your admission that "Yes - there are ways I could do it but I AM NOT WILLING to do them."

                              If that is the case, then you can know for the rest of your life exactly why you have the results you have.
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                              • Profile picture of the author kirbymarketingconcierge
                                If you don't run away, then you are doing what I didn't do at your age, and what Dan is right on point on.

                                face it, don't run away, and you need help.

                                let go of ego, and listen to other's.

                                I am proud of you Thet.
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                      Originally Posted by thet View Post

                      this year, I think I can get around 500 euro extra on my base salary.
                      When I add bonus to it, it will be 1k more.
                      Have that talk with your company founder that Jimbo (I think it was) suggested.
                      See how he is first. See if he is the kind of guy who will let you do projects, or create
                      a new position, based on what you can return to his company. And get you paid more
                      that 1500 euro.

                      Are there people in your company earning 50K? If so, that will help you believe you can.
                      Or, get to know people who are.

                      Also, it is entirely possible that you have other goals that are more important
                      to you right now - such as social goals. And, goals will change. 50K might be
                      your target now - 150K might be your target after your married and have some
                      kids.

                      Regardless of what is most important to you, don't have the loser or victim
                      mentality.

                      Aim higher because even if you don't end up as high as you want, you'll
                      end up higher than before. If you take steps.

                      Dan
                      (A lot of Dan's in this thread. LOL)
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                      • Profile picture of the author kirbymarketingconcierge
                        this thread may be a time waster.

                        for many members, but no criticism to any indvidual member intended.
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                      • Profile picture of the author thet
                        Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                        Have that talk with your company founder that Jimbo (I think it was) suggested.
                        See how he is first. See if he is the kind of guy who will let you do projects, or create
                        a new position, based on what you can return to his company. And get you paid more
                        that 1500 euro.

                        Are there people in your company earning 50K? If so, that will help you believe you can.
                        Or, get to know people who are.

                        Also, it is entirely possible that you have other goals that are more important
                        to you right now - such as social goals. And, goals will change. 50K might be
                        your target now - 150K might be your target after your married and have some
                        kids.

                        Regardless of what is most important to you, don't have the loser or victim
                        mentality.

                        Aim higher because even if you don't end up as high as you want, you'll
                        end up higher than before. If you take steps.

                        Dan
                        (A lot of Dan's in this thread. LOL)
                        Nobody makes that haha And you are right. I need to have an eye opening that I am being acting like a victim because I am not seeing it,
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                        Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                        (A lot of Dan's in this thread. LOL)
                        Damned good name that's why!! Probably all born in the 1970's. Half my dorm were called Daniel at school.

                        Dan
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                • Profile picture of the author kirbymarketingconcierge
                  full disclosure????

                  you have disclosed alot, maybe more?

                  where are you at, and what are the realistic options you have?

                  is your back aganist the wall?

                  is it at the point now, to listen to others because your view is not working?
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  • Profile picture of the author thet
    hey Thet.

    Self-Worth drill down -
    what would Dan McCoy say he is worth?
    what would you say YOU are worth? look back, then look around

    Have you noticed "successful" people around you respond like Dan did in these earlier posts about settling, being poor and happy, etc..,

    I have noticed this watching people; failures and those that met their goals.

    it's not whether it's right or wrong, no perfect answer to "be happy And rich", no more reading, time to stop analysis paralysis, etc..,

    as Tony Robbins said, are lives are dictated by the decisions WE make.
    he also said people don't Decide- Commit - and Follow Through because of
    Mixed Emotions ( re-read Dan's post, he is Certain)
    remember Robbin's talks about Certainty

    Savidge coin analogy is good.

    you have to decide, while the coin is in the air - heads or tales?

    if you don't make the decision, it will be made for you when it hits the ground,

    effecting your life, knowing it was externally mandated and not internally driven.

    my 2 cents

    p.s. - only read savidge's reply, that your company hired from the outside.
    I would be so angry. I would look at myself to blame (accountable for this)
    and decide on a solution.

    this may be my last post on this thread. we can't go in circles. time and effort waster
    I don't think reading is the issue here If anything, it got me this far. Or maybe not, maybe if I focussed my attention on action I would have been further. Who knows
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    It would have to be a digital business set up on a free platform like wordpress.

    Then you would have to adopt free approaches to marketing using social media sites, youtube etc.

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  • Profile picture of the author thet
    Yes. You are right Kirby. Let's end it. Dan's is worth way to much to give me advice here.
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      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      Yes. You are right Kirby. Let's end it. Dan's is worth way to much to give me advice here.
      Take the easy way out. I'm sticking with you on this. I've stuck with you on this for this long now. I'm not stopping.

      There is simply something you must see, and you are choosing not to see it.

      This is not a unique conversation - EVERY person I have mentored has reached this frustrating point of the conversation.

      You may walk out - but that is just you being a quitter.
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        Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

        Take the easy way out. I'm sticking with you on this. I've stuck with you on this for this long now. I'm not stopping.

        There is simply something you must see, and you are choosing not to see it.

        This is not a unique conversation - EVERY person I have mentored has reached this frustrating point of the conversation.

        You may walk out - but that is just you being a quitter.
        Well, I really dont want to wasted your time. But Okay, if you are in, awesome
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        kirbymarketingconciergeRe: Business zero capital
        this thread may be a time waster.
        for many members, but no criticism to any indvidual member intended.
        Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

        Take the easy way out. I'm sticking with you on this. I've stuck with you on this for this long now. I'm not stopping..
        ? If I were you Dan I would stop and see what happens, I called earlier this thread and mentioned that the OP needed to learn to make decisions and that there were followers and leaders. (and copped a whack so I left it alone)

        It took me many years of doing what your doing now Dan to learn that you can not help anyone who will not help themselves, and in EVERY case where it played out as it is, as soon as you walk away people just fall back into the same hole because they follow and never take the effort to lead.

        Thet might call me hard with this response but tough love is what needs to be served up, and people need to learn to stand on their own feet a little (with some help) or all of that not stopping and not giving up will be just an even bigger waste of everybody's time.
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          Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

          ? If I were you Dan I would stop and see what happens, I called earlier this thread and mentioned that the OP needed to learn to make decisions and that there were followers and leaders. (and copped a whack so I left it alone)

          It took me many years of doing what your doing now Dan to learn that you can not help anyone who will not help themselves, and in EVERY case where it played out as it is, as soon as you walk away people just fall back into the same hole because they follow and never take the effort to lead.

          Thet might call me hard with this response but tough love is what needs to be served up, and people need to learn to stand on their own feet a little (with some help) or all of that not stopping and not giving up will be just an even bigger waste of everybody's time.
          I agree with you - I just can't get over the victim mentality so I'm making it clear that there are things that are not being admitted or faced.

          Not saying this is thet - but some people go their whole lives feeling robbed and blaming others.

          The biggest tragedy is that they don't know they are robbing themselves.

          It's a bit funny to me (really very sad) that someone in an awesome, prosperous, developed nation like Germany feels limited to $25k a year.

          I mean, he's been very honest here, but really - it's just a damn shame.

          Anyone who can get on the phone everyday and prospect should make $100k MINIMUM.

          He is obviously a very intelligent guy, and is just ignoring reality.
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          • Profile picture of the author kirbymarketingconcierge
            is Dan looking to save someone?
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            • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
              Originally Posted by kirbymarketingconcierge View Post

              is Dan looking to save someone?
              Everybody should have a battle to fight. Everybody should have something they hate.

              I HATE the idea of mental slavery. I have always fought against the idea that my circumstance in life is decided by forces outside of myself.

              I don't fear failure. I fear submission to the idea that I am not the captain of my life.

              It is quite literally my mission to stomp out the ideas of victimhood anywhere I see it.

              You mentioned Victor Frankl earlier - "Man's Search for Meaning" is a powerful look at freedom under the worst circumstance.

              I won't walk away from the fight. Others may leave the conversation, but I will not. There is simply nothing that can be said to me that will convince me thet has obstacles which cannot be overcome.
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  • Profile picture of the author umc
    Some people find reasons to do things; others find them not to. I needed to pay off $55,000 in tax debt from being a financial dummy for ten years. We made an EXTRA $80,000 in 18 months to clear $55,000 just to hand it over to the government. But it took me ten years to figure it out and believe that I could do it, and it would have been a much smaller debt had I got my act together sooner. Oh, and we did it cleaning houses, not exactly high dollar passive income. It was breaking our bodies down 7 days a week, often 12-16 hour days. There was no longer an excuse. We were ready.

    But in the end, change doesn't happen until you're ready and nobody can force it, not even the well intentioned. Thet is clearly not ready, but he will be someday. Until then he'll find reasons not to.
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    super confusing all those dans here
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHKbK...has_verified=1

    Watch this video and raise your standards.
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    No worries biz. I can take some tough love. If i can really earn 100k because I'm okay at prospecting i will take all the tough love i can get. Do you know what 100k would do for my life?

    That's a huge gap i obviously would want to bridge. You can figuratively punch me in the balls if that gets me to that point.
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    • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      No worries biz. I can take some tough love. If i can really earn 100k because I'm okay at prospecting i will take all the tough love i can get. Do you know what 100k would do for my life?

      That's a huge gap i obviously would want to bridge. You can figuratively punch me in the balls if that gets me to that point.
      Aren't you prospecting for IT sales right now?

      If so - IT sales reps can earn GREAT money and you will get great experience and training.

      That is only one option. There are unlimited options - I know a guy who just sold his gym for $2.5 million last year. He has since blown most of it, but that is not the point.

      Every single day, we all drive past more opportunity than we could possibly develop in a lifetime. Every. Single. Day.
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      • Profile picture of the author thet
        Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

        Aren't you prospecting for IT sales right now?

        If so - IT sales reps can earn GREAT money and you will get great experience and training.

        That is only one option. There are unlimited options - I know a guy who just sold his gym for $2.5 million last year. He has since blown most of it, but that is not the point.

        Every single day, we all drive past more opportunity than we could possibly develop in a lifetime. Every. Single. Day.
        Yes. And to me, the prospecting part was to become a sales rep. But thats in the freezer at the moment. I like the company I work for, so dont want to move. However, at some point, there needs to be growth in any direction.
        Like Savidge said in the other thread, 'dont keep your eyes shot'. Maybe I am focusing on sales while marketing is my route to richess (as figure of speak)
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        • Profile picture of the author savidge4
          Going to W A Y agree with UMC here. Thet... Your world will not be corrected and conquered in a day. You need to let the messages of change marinate < I know its marinade - southerners say it with a T > for a bit. take them in, and self evaluate. In your own time, Truth will be seen as true.

          Much like the movie Karate Kid. wax on wax off. Made no sense to the young man, how that was preparing him to be the best he could be. All he was seeing was that he was washing cars. In your case, its not what the information is looking like TODAY, it will be how it is applied TOMOROW that will count.

          It is extremely easy to sit from the outside looking in and make the observations, and see what it is in a persons life that needs to be changed. But it is the person that sits in that reality, that has to see it and not us.

          There is another person just a few threads over... as plain as day, I could see the route to making the Journey shorter. and the shorter Journey was offered. But they to are on a unwavering path. They are seeing what they have to do, and are not budging from those objectives. And that's great. There isnt and will never be anything wrong with conviction and staying steady towards a goal.

          I know for myself in regards to YOU, and I believe many others here. We are saying let loose the blinders a bit. and see the whole picture from time to time. See the choices that may present themselves, and don't instantly shut them down, because they don't fit your model - your progression of goals.

          There are literally MILLIONS of plausible choices for you, and right now you have simply set just ONE of those in motion.
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  • Profile picture of the author umc
    People tend to make changes when an external force motivates an internal change. I knew I had to get my money right for years. Seeing a bill from the IRS over 50 grand was that external motivator. The overweight guy knows he needs to lose weight, but that heart attack might have to come in order to motivate him sufficiently. Lots of the financially successful people had to develop hustle born out of dire need that pushed them to great things, but it started because they were about to be homeless.

    So my question is, what is Thet's big hairy external motivator? Most people would like to have more money, especially on a forum like this or when reading books about people that have high income claims. The reality is that most are in a comfortable position. Ideal? Nope, but comfortable. People will settle for the devil they know because the unknown is always scarier without an external motivator making them super uncomfortable. I don't see it with Thet. He wants more money, but nothing is on fire here, and until it is I don't see a push to uncomfortable action.

    I also want to speak up about the example of the janitor that makes a low wage all his life and Dan's assertion that it's a waste of life. If that guy is comfortable financially, maybe he's making an impact elsewhere in life. There's more to life than money. Maybe he has great relationships and would leave a huge void in the world for lots of people if he died. A successful life is a well rounded one and we all have room for improvement. We just need something to push us in that direction. We all have a measure of internal drive, but those external motivators put us in gear and action actually takes place. A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. Thet can go through the motions but it has to be rooted in his soul because something dear to him is pushing him, and I'm sorry but I think you're awesome Dan but not likely to be enough for him. If not, it's no failure on your part. And honestly I don't see it as a failure if Thet doesn't make huge strides right now either. Progress, not perfection. He's taking steps. Steps plus time leads to huge change.
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      Originally Posted by umc View Post

      People tend to make changes when an external force motivates an internal change. I knew I had to get my money right for years. Seeing a bill from the IRS over 50 grand was that external motivator. The overweight guy knows he needs to lose weight, but that heart attack might have to come in order to motivate him sufficiently. Lots of the financially successful people had to develop hustle born out of dire need that pushed them to great things, but it started because they were about to be homeless.

      So my question is, what is Thet's big hairy external motivator? Most people would like to have more money, especially on a forum like this or when reading books about people that have high income claims. The reality is that most are in a comfortable position. Ideal? Nope, but comfortable. People will settle for the devil they know because the unknown is always scarier without an external motivator making them super uncomfortable. I don't see it with Thet. He wants more money, but nothing is on fire here, and until it is I don't see a push to uncomfortable action.

      I also want to speak up about the example of the janitor that makes a low wage all his life and Dan's assertion that it's a waste of life. If that guy is comfortable financially, maybe he's making an impact elsewhere in life. There's more to life than money. Maybe he has great relationships and would leave a huge void in the world for lots of people if he died. A successful life is a well rounded one and we all have room for improvement. We just need something to push us in that direction. We all have a measure of internal drive, but those external motivators put us in gear and action actually takes place. A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. Thet can go through the motions but it has to be rooted in his soul because something dear to him is pushing him, and I'm sorry but I think you're awesome Dan but not likely to be enough for him. If not, it's no failure on your part. And honestly I don't see it as a failure if Thet doesn't make huge strides right now either. Progress, not perfection. He's taking steps. Steps plus time leads to huge change.
      Of course, everything you say is correct. The janitor example was in reference to a comment Thet made earlier about someone being "stuck" as a janitor with no way out. I would never in a million years suggest that being a janitor is somehow a less noble profession than any other. It's only a waste of his life if he is NOT doing what he wants. Our example was of someone who WANTS something different, but simply never goes for it.

      I have nothing but admiration for anyone who finds their place, and lives there happily. I know a very successful school teacher. She isn't rich, but she is doing what she loves and chose to do - that is all that matters.

      For Thet, he's been posting about wanting to have a side business, wanting to make $50k, I don't know how many other things he "wants" to do.

      But when presented with "OK - do it" and given ways in which the plans can be started, it turns out the "goal" was never really there to begin with. It turns out he either doesn't want to do anything different than what he has now, or is is just totally confused about what what he wants.

      Both of the above are completely acceptable also! Everyone lives their life how they wish.

      But - it does him no good to dream about more and make himself mentally dissatisfied, if in reality he is comfortable. If that is the case, just be comfortable and live life.

      If one is confused about what they want, that is OK too. Relax and think about it.

      It is pure folly to run around trying things when you have no idea what you want - it only leads to failure.

      If someone really is OK with their current position, great! There is no law saying you must be unhappy. Just do the best damn job you can do, be all you can be.

      It will do the suffering mind much good to realize that in reality, they are happy and don't really need to make a change.

      It still all comes down to making the CHOICE. Owning it 100% - CHOOSING what life we will live. We should never, ever give up the fundamental ownership of our own lives.
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    Funny you should mention choice. I recently heard a quote from Seth Godin that went something along the lines of the following:

    "When people say I had no choice, it is the same as saying that I only had one path that was easy in the moment."

    That gets back to my post. I see Thet as making a choice to maintain the basic status quo with small changes that will improve his life, but that won't totally change it. But like you said, you have to own your life. If you choose to give it to an employer that's fine, just don't complain about how it is set up and play the victim. Make the best of it or start developing your exit strategy outside of it by working every available hour toward escape. One choice is easy in the short term, to keep things as they are and make the best of it while improving elsewhere in life, and the other is really hard in the short term, really honing in on a path and killing it by giving up other things to get it going. The latter is a path that many try but few manage to really make work.

    For me, I seem to fit the bill for ADHD, and not the "entrepreneurial ADD" that people talk about. The real thing is a bit more intense. I have a really hard time with shiny objects, and I love to learn, much like Thet. He seems to have a real thirst for knowledge. In my case it is to feed my brain which is always hungry without end. It may just be that Thet needs to find his thing and when he does everything will come together. Sometimes chasing knowledge can lead one to that thing. I really hope you find that thing Thet, whether it is the type of work that really makes your brain light up with excitement or another external motivator that pushes you into something that fulfills you.

    I've personally found this entire thread really fascinating. Thet is just one guy, but he represents so many, and all of us probably have either been where he is or can identify in some way with him. I think it is really cool that you put yourself out there Thet. I also really think it is awesome that Dan and others have taken their personal time to try to help. Whether this thread helps you now Thet or you come back to it later, or someone else with similar feelings finds it someday, it is full of what people need to find their way. I'm just happy to have a small part in adding to it.
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    • Profile picture of the author kirbymarketingconcierge
      well done UMC.



      from victor frankl :

      the last of the human freedoms -- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way.

      Even though conditions such as lack of sleep, insufficient food and various mental stresses may suggest that the inmates were bound to react in certain ways, in the final analysis it becomes clear that the sort of person the prisoner became was the result of an inner decision, and not the result of camp influences alone. Fundamentally, therefore, any man can, even under such circumstances, decide what shall become of him -- mentally and spiritually.
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  • Profile picture of the author thet
    Interesting you mention ADHD umc, because yes, I have ADHD. Diagnosed and everything. After so many years, I still don't really know for sure how it's impacting my life, but I am at a point where I realise.. it's major. But not an excuse not not nail the f out of life
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    • Profile picture of the author umc
      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      Interesting you mention ADHD umc, because yes, I have ADHD. Diagnosed and everything. After so many years, I still don't really know for sure how it's impacting my life, but I am at a point where I realise.. it's major. But not an excuse not not nail the f out of life
      Hey Thet, I'm heading out the door for work today but when I get back tonight I want to share some things that might help you. It was actually on a business forum (not this one) where someone noticed the ADHD in me and it changed my life. You're right in that it isn't an excuse not to win at life, but you need to understand some things about it first. If you have no arms and your life depends on a game of tug of war it doesn't mean you can't win, but ot does mean that you need to figure out how to work around your limitations when possible and to accommodate the rest. Understanding how you work is the key. Otherwise you're going to hurt yourself over and over anf make no progress. You have to find your own way to work with what you've got. Anyway, I've got to run, but I want to share my story later and maybe some part of it will help.
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  • Profile picture of the author thet
    Short update
    - Got a small raise
    - Going to work with bonus system
    - Going to follow education program into marketing

    So, who knows. Maybe the big bucks are not flowing in but I am moving,

    Makes me think of a MLK quote:

    “If you can't fly then run, if you can't run then walk, if you can't walk then crawl, but whatever you do you have to keep moving forward.”

    I also thought about this quote from Seneca today:

    "It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare; it is because we do not dare that things are difficult.”
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      Someone found "Leverage"

      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      Short update
      - Got a small raise
      - Going to work with bonus system
      - Going to follow education program into marketing

      So, who knows. Maybe the big bucks are not flowing in but I am moving,

      Makes me think of a MLK quote:

      "If you can't fly then run, if you can't run then walk, if you can't walk then crawl, but whatever you do you have to keep moving forward."

      I also thought about this quote from Seneca today:

      "It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare; it is because we do not dare that things are difficult."
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  • Profile picture of the author umc
    Alright Thet, it's time for my ADHD story as promised. I'm sure that you've been on pins and needles, lol. Anyway, hopefully it can help you in some way.

    At the age of 30-31 or so I was frequenting a small business forum and posting about all of my ideas like I always did. Always looking for new ways to make a buck. In my personal life I was drowning in that tax debt and knew that I wasn't handling my money right. I also knew that my marriage wasn't going really well, and that even my wife didn't seem to get me. To be honest, I didn't really get myself. I've always been a perfectionist, but lately it seemed like all I was could be summed up in one word - failure. Starting something, going for two weeks (that seemed to be my threshold), getting the project to the point of being ready to go and then moving on to the next thing. Each time a failure. My marriage was looking like a failure. And so was everything else no matter how hard I tried.

    To be honest I was suicidal. Not like I wanted to die, but devoid of anything worth living for since everything was a mess no matter how hard I tried, ending my life seemed like a decent option. You may or may not be someone that believes in God, but I did, and I was praying hard for something to make sense of it all for me. All of the sudden I got a private message from a guy that said he saw something in me from all of my business ideas on that small business forum. He asked me some questions, and revealed that he was a retired ADHD specialist and that the way I thought made him think that I probably had it. Now, I'm a guy that thought that ADHD was a made up disorder that excused parents from disciplining their children and that it wasn't real. It was pretty humbling. Anyway, he recommended a book that I'm going to recommend to you right now. I downloaded it in audio form and I'll never forget detailing a car with my wife for a client while we both listened to it on our mp3 players. We would just look at each other at certain times because for the first time in my life someone finally got me. It helped my wife to do so too. I hated when the book ended because I didn't want that feeling to go away.

    I then spent a couple of years reading about it, and really got involved heavily in the AddForums online. In doing so I really learned a lot about the disorder and how it looked for myself and for others. ADHD doesn't look the same for everyone. Not everyone has the "H" part for hyperactivity. Some people are primarily inattentive, often in their own little world. Others, like me, are overfocused, where I notice everything around me and have an abundance of attention, not a deficit like most think. However, because I get so obsessively focused on something, I can also tend to burn out and have trouble maintaining that attention, thus my two week threshold that I kept running into for my many business ideas. The doc that pointed it out in me said that I should be a serial starter of businesses that then sells them. I've still never figured out how to do that, but he's probably right.

    Anyway, the book that he recommended was called "Driven To Distraction", by Dr. Hallowell. I believe there is an updated version that I also got called "Delivered From Distraction". DTD was revered back then as being like the ADD Bible. I highly recommend either book.

    ADHD is an executive function disorder. No matter how you slice it, it does have an impact on your ability to execute on all of those ideas and plans. Many of my failures made me feel like I must not really have cared about whatever it was that I was doing because I couldn't stay with it. Truth is that I cared deeply, but I didn't have the executive function to follow through, which made it hurt all the more to fall short. It doesn't make it impossible to succeed, but you need help in the areas that you're weak and you need to work toward your strengths while minimizing your weaknesses. I'm now 37 and am still really figuring things out, as I had lots of messes to clean up in life. Poor impulse control is a hallmark of the disorder. ADHD also often comes with other comorbid disorders like bipolar, depression, OCD, etc. just to make things more fun.

    I highly encourage you to get familiar with the disorder if you've been diagnosed. If you don't, chances are you will sabotage your efforts, or at least waste lots of time spinning your wheels. There are many ways to deal with ADHD. Meds are one tool, though I've never used them personally. You can build your life around the ways that you work to help you cope. For instance, I built as much variety into my cleaning business as I could to help me maintain interest. I was always trying new things. Understanding of yourself and the way you work is the key to unlocking everything. Without it, maybe I wouldn't be here anymore, who knows. Chances are I'd be making more messes and be deeper into misery. I can't begin to tell you all of the ways that my life has been changed 180 degrees since learning what I learned. You'll need to learn your own things as they apply to your life, but ADHD can truly ruin one's life if not dealt with. Many addicts have ADHD, as it is a disorder that causes a person to seek out stimulation to ease their bored mind. Drugs often are used to cope, and the same can be said of alcohol, both of which ruin lives.

    Ultimately, you can do what you want in life. I had to leave the ADD Forums because although I can definitely say that it helped to save me by helping me to understand myself, there was a prevalence of an "I can't" attitude. Lots of people with ADHD grow up as kids that are given negative labels and that internalize them and feel like perpetual losers. It colors how people see opportunities. I just don't roll that way. I always believe that I can do what I want if I want to, even at my most self-hating points in life. I just figured that I hadn't found the way yet. And I was right, I just needed time and understanding. Learning about the disorder has led me to learning about so many other things in life because it opened my eyes. I wish the same for you. I've never been at a better place in life than I am right now, and it just gets better and better each year. Oh, and my business has never been better either. Life has a funny way of effecting the bottom line. A distracted or disorganized mind will be mirrored in other areas of life. I still struggle with certain things on some days, but the reality is that everybody struggles with stuff sometimes. ADHD doesn't make you different from others in that you have struggles and they don't (like some people with ADHD seem to believe), but it does mean that you might have some different struggles that others might not face to the same degree. But nothing is all bad, and something like ADHD can have certain benefits as well. You just have to make it work for you. I have, and you can too.

    Mike

    Edited to add: The ADD forums that I mentioned were found here. There was another site that came along called Totally ADD that had some amazing resources and videos and a forum that back then seemed to be nicer and more hopeful, but I haven't been in years. It can be found here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
      UMC - Mike, thanks for having the courage to post the info
      about ADD and your experiences with it.

      You're THE MAN!
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    Umc - now that I read that, this - "HyperActive Warrior"
    takes on a whole new meaning.

    Taking the time to "pay it forward" to Thet like that ...
    Shows real character. - Good stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author thet
    He umc, I am on ritalin since a year or so, things are better since then and the execute function you are talking about, is active then. Its kind of amazing.
    Thats why I am at where I am at.
    I am like, shit, so so so many years wasted but cant look back, need to look at now and forward, primarly now.
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    • Profile picture of the author kirbymarketingconcierge
      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      He umc, I am on ritalin since a year or so, things are better since then and the execute function you are talking about, is active then. Its kind of amazing.
      Thats why I am at where I am at.
      I am like, shit, so so so many years wasted but cant look back, need to look at now and forward, primarly now.
      another (umc) true Warrior

      Thet you have my support and respect; to go to war, and make it public to boot.
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    • Profile picture of the author umc
      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      He umc, I am on ritalin since a year or so, things are better since then and the execute function you are talking about, is active then. Its kind of amazing.
      Thats why I am at where I am at.
      I am like, shit, so so so many years wasted but cant look back, need to look at now and forward, primarly now.
      Just remember that meds are just one tool in the toolbox. Most people go there and never any farther. You don't have to live in the past, but you have to respect it or it will keep working its way into your future. You can't deny the scars (particularly to self esteem and confidence) that come from living the ADHD life undiagnosed or untreated. They are real and meds can improve function but they don't get rid of the psychological impact of all of those "wasted" years.

      Understanding and acceptance of how you operated then will help you make accommodations as you go forward. You may not be able to do things the same way that others do them, but you can still get stuff done. If all you do is take meds you're selling yourself short. You said earlier that you don't really understand the impact of the disorder. If you don't learn about it you are fighting an enemy that you can't see, and that's a losing game. If you don't face those demons, the demons will eventually win. Denial isn't effective in the long term.

      Meds only address the symptoms of the problem. An alcoholic that stops drinking and that doesn't address why they drink will eventually sabotage their progress because they only looked at themselves on a surface level.

      Best wishes,
      Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author umc
    You know, I hadn't thought about it, but I lived my life as a closed book for most of my life. After that guy spoke into my life and then I read the open stories of people on forums it showed me that if more people were open and honest about their struggles I wouldn't have felt so alone and desperate for so many years. I don't ever want to contribute to that problem anymore. My life is an open book now because it might help someone like I was helped. The worst thing in life is to feel alone.
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    • Profile picture of the author kirbymarketingconcierge
      Originally Posted by umc View Post

      You know, I hadn't thought about it, but I lived my life as a closed book for most of my life. After that guy spoke into my life and then I read the open stories of people on forums it showed me that if more people were open and honest about their struggles I wouldn't have felt so alone and desperate for so many years. I don't ever want to contribute to that problem anymore. My life is an open book now because it might help someone like I was helped. The worst thing in life is to feel alone.
      1. So how would you respond now then, when someone mentions

      that there from an older generation, taught to "keep it to yourself" as a man, and making the personal Public on the Internet, which lasts forever, is on their mind?

      2. Sometimes I think (being upfront here), telling people your story is engaging in victimhood or not focusing on solutions, on moving forward.
      (it's freudian to look back, as the cause of present conditions)

      any thoughts could be a teachable moment for myself and others

      Human Capital -
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      • Profile picture of the author umc
        Originally Posted by kirbymarketingconcierge View Post

        1. So how would you respond now then, when someone mentions

        that there from an older generation, taught to "keep it to yourself" as a man, and making the personal Public on the Internet, which lasts forever, is on their mind?

        2. Sometimes I think (being upfront here), telling people your story is engaging in victimhood or not focusing on solutions, on moving forward.
        (it's freudian to look back, as the cause of present conditions)

        any thoughts could be a teachable moment for myself and others

        Human Capital -
        1. As to the dangers of putting your story online, it is a personal decision. I just did so anonymously, as would most people. I also see no shame in my personal story and thus have no worries about it. I see resolve and overcoming and openness, things that are attractive, not weakness. Humanity isn't necessarily weakness. I do think that people should be careful about posting incriminating pics online under their personal name, but there's a wide chasm between sharing a story like mine and many other ways that people share.

        2. Something like ADHD is always present, so this isn't looking back or playing the victim. I will always have ADHD. I can manage it better. Talking about the past makes me proud of how far I've come and gives others hope. It also allows others to see the baggage that they may be carting around. Moving ahead is an uphill climb for all of us. If I do so while dragging heavy baggage I will not only progress slower, but I may get tired and backslide as that baggage keeps tugging at me. Looking back, seeing the baggage, and doing what needs to be done to cut it loose is the smart thing to do. Much healthier for the whole body too, and something with staying power. Otherwise you're just pretending and you won't be able to keep it up forever.

        And yeah Kirby, the internet is made for people with ADHD. So much stimulation in one place. I am quite addicted to it. Things like mindfulness help me to be present. Also getting out in the real world. Video games are bad too, though I suck at them and therefore have no problem there, lol. Candy, drugs, exercise, learning, sports (see Michael Phelps), and I could go on and on. Anything stimulating can be a problem.

        I have two speeds. Hyperdrive and off. Moderation and balance is soooooo hard to keep up. Another issue with ADHD is prioritizing things, as they all seem intriguing. I make lots of lists to help myself organize my infinite stream of thoughts.
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        • Profile picture of the author kirbymarketingconcierge
          OP's Line - What kind of business can be started with zero capital with the potential to build a company that gets costumers and make profit?

          Human capital, comes before Financial capital.

          You can have Zero dollars, and start a business.

          Leverage partnerships, JV's, Ind. contractor, employee duties, find a new job with the long term (1 month- on),
          to bank money), become an intern with a business you want to get into, etc..,
          and then go and do your own business.

          as Thet and UMC have shown, they are braver than me, and I would conclude their
          personal assets are more valuable that money in the bank
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        • Profile picture of the author Jbossz1983
          Originally Posted by umc View Post

          1. As to the dangers of putting your story online, it is a personal decision. I just did so anonymously, as would most people. I also see no shame in my personal story and thus have no worries about it. I see resolve and overcoming and openness, things that are attractive, not weakness. Humanity isn't necessarily weakness. I do think that people should be careful about posting incriminating pics online under their personal name, but there's a wide chasm between sharing a story like mine and many other ways that people share.

          2. Something like ADHD is always present, so this isn't looking back or playing the victim. I will always have ADHD. I can manage it better. Talking about the past makes me proud of how far I've come and gives others hope. It also allows others to see the baggage that they may be carting around. Moving ahead is an uphill climb for all of us. If I do so while dragging heavy baggage I will not only progress slower, but I may get tired and backslide as that baggage keeps tugging at me. Looking back, seeing the baggage, and doing what needs to be done to cut it loose is the smart thing to do. Much healthier for the whole body too, and something with staying power. Otherwise you're just pretending and you won't be able to keep it up forever.

          And yeah Kirby, the internet is made for people with ADHD. So much stimulation in one place. I am quite addicted to it. Things like mindfulness help me to be present. Also getting out in the real world. Video games are bad too, though I suck at them and therefore have no problem there, lol. Candy, drugs, exercise, learning, sports (see Michael Phelps), and I could go on and on. Anything stimulating can be a problem.

          I have two speeds. Hyperdrive and off. Moderation and balance is soooooo hard to keep up. Another issue with ADHD is prioritizing things, as they all seem intriguing. I make lots of lists to help myself organize my infinite stream of thoughts.
          Depending on your age, certain things become easier. Moderation is a choice. For example, with sport I give myself a minimum of 3 times a week. If it's more, fine, but 3 is the number.

          Internet, I do less and less. However, here also comes some hyperdrive. I am active now at WF, but I can see it happen I won't be posting if this thread ends for 6 months to go in hyperdrive again.

          However, being aware is the most important aspect. I already decided with WF that I am going to work towards a point where I use it to get advice on ACTION points. Less bla bla, more action.

          Ive cut out social media, news, blogs etc for those hyperdrive reasons. To much discraction. Hard to control.

          Work is the biggest challenge. I now I have some cool things ahead that will make a change for the better in my career. But now, I am still cold calling day in, day out. Its a means to an end. And I am terrible at that.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    In this instance, UMC telling his story is helpful to OP, and other readers who may be in the same boat, and I have a lot of respect for the disclosure.

    Same with people in daily offline life. Also, it often really helps me deal better with them - especially employees or customers.

    Of course there are individual differences, but I've seen an individual who was not really helped by meds. Whatever meds he took numbed him down to where he was calm but unable to function.

    He was an employee of a friend. When he was not taking meds, he would do things like work
    on the lowest priority project after getting specific instructions to work on - and how to work on
    the highest priority project.

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    • Profile picture of the author kirbymarketingconcierge
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      In this instance, UMC telling his story is helpful to OP, and other readers who may be in the same boat, and I have a lot of respect for the disclosure.

      Same with people in daily offline life. Also, it often really helps me deal better with them - especially employees or customers.

      Of course there are individual differences, but I've seen an individual who was not really helped by meds. Whatever meds he took numbed him down to where he was calm but unable to function.

      He was an employee of a friend. When he was not taking meds, he would do things like work
      on the lowest priority project after getting specific instructions to work on - and how to work on
      the highest priority project.

      Dan
      not trying to argue your point Biz. good input.


      I went to the bookstore last night, on UMC's recommendation,
      a fascinating disorder (the internet is built for ADD and ADHD)

      and it was stated for most people, med's are helpful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jbossz1983
    I had troubles with my account.
    New name, new attitude.

    I will have a lot to read but will get back at it tomorrow morning

    sweet kisses.
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  • Profile picture of the author thet
    sorry for the confusion, account is working again
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    • Profile picture of the author kirbymarketingconcierge
      Originally Posted by thet View Post

      sorry for the confusion, account is working again
      Alright!

      Thet is back.

      example of a help wanted ad:

      in need of person, that can get on the phone
      able to set appts.
      able to contact C-level and "mid to large" corporations

      price point is high
      sales cycle is long
      most people can't or won't do this work
      we have a high turnover of personnel for this position or unopened positions.
      we are a company that wants to grow, stay up with competitors, improve.

      the Reader of Ad

      so the "value" is high
      I can get on the phone and start the sales, which means revenue, helping "acct. Executives", and the company.
      Then, what I do is an asset. a business asset.

      If the sales Revenue (and, long term customer value) is over 35,000 for the year. (any other figure, and I can do the math)

      I can calculate my worth; what I do as a business Asset, and Leverage I have.

      Thet,

      this post may not get a lot of play.
      Marketers, are like your Acct. Exec's" where your at.
      higher status (i'm a marketing Consultant"), look down on you maybe ( you just set appt.s, BUT I CLOSE)
      your just a telemarketer, etc..,

      your value is not dictated by Employee status, or Ind. Contractor.

      Unless your going to stay with the same firm, collect a great pension, cadillac insurance, and the gold watch in 40 years.

      But you already know reality, the world is different. you take your skills with you.
      (that's why I said to document all newsletter stuff).

      Remember, Oren's opinion - you are the Prize
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        Originally Posted by kirbymarketingconcierge View Post

        Alright!

        Thet is back.

        had problems before. changing gmails and passwords,etc..,
        No, they banned my account but according to WF it was a problem on their behalf.
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  • Profile picture of the author thet
    What's up Dan? Are you still alive?
    Not to bump this thread, but I have not seen you posting lately!
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  • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
    Oh yeah I'm still alive. I am grinding full-speed ahead, living out the things I wrote about here previously.In January, I added a truly MASSIVE amount of business. Literally over $50k in new revenue for the month, and it is likely to grow month-over-month for the rest of the year. This is groundbreaking for me. What's better - my operation is very lean. Very little overhead.

    I can't express the importance of examining every little aspect of my life, and if I find ANY part that is not how I want it to be - taking FULL personal responsibility for the situation.

    Everything in life is the result of our own previous actions, or lack of actions.

    If you ever find yourself saying "I can't do X because..." that should be a sign that full responsibility has not been taken yet.

    When we are fully responsible for everything in our lives, only then can we improve it.

    There is truly nothing that is impossible for us. All of us, on an individual level, can make our lives exactly what we want them to be.

    I probably will not be on WF much all the way through 2015 (and even 2016 probably). It simply isn't a dollar/hour productive activity right now. I enjoy sharing my thoughts very much. At some point though, I feel as if I am speaking in another language that is hard to convey.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
      Dan,

      Thanks so much for all the sharing that you have done.

      Much appreciated!

      I use it as a "kick-in-the-butt", which I seem to need more of these days.
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    • Profile picture of the author thet
      Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

      Oh yeah I'm still alive. I am grinding full-speed ahead, living out the things I wrote about here previously.In January, I added a truly MASSIVE amount of business. Literally over $50k in new revenue for the month, and it is likely to grow month-over-month for the rest of the year. This is groundbreaking for me. What's better - my operation is very lean. Very little overhead.

      I can't express the importance of examining every little aspect of my life, and if I find ANY part that is not how I want it to be - taking FULL personal responsibility for the situation.

      Everything in life is the result of our own previous actions, or lack of actions.

      If you ever find yourself saying "I can't do X because..." that should be a sign that full responsibility has not been taken yet.

      When we are fully responsible for everything in our lives, only then can we improve it.

      There is truly nothing that is impossible for us. All of us, on an individual level, can make our lives exactly what we want them to be.

      I probably will not be on WF much all the way through 2015 (and even 2016 probably). It simply isn't a dollar/hour productive activity right now. I enjoy sharing my thoughts very much. At some point though, I feel as if I am speaking in another language that is hard to convey.
      To bad you feel that way. However, when something is done it's done. Maybe WF is done for you. Mission accomplished. GL.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    I love how the OP asked a simple question and this thread turned into an autobiography of various peoples lives lol.

    OP, there are many businesses that can be started with 0 profit and turned into a profitable venture. Too many to list so there is no point listing any.

    But to answer your question directly and concisely, learn how to do keyword research.

    You're asking about specific niches which to me conveys you lack this specific skillset. Knowledge of both basic and advanced keyword research, industry and competitor analysis, trends, etc.

    I had a series of custom made bots to do that for me. As this type of data is very valuable if you learn how to do it right. I find keyword tools like long tail pro to be mostly useless. SEO Cockpit has a pretty decent program but you probably can't afford it.

    So again, learn keyword research. Learn how to identify low competition, untapped markets. It's really that simple.

    If you get really good at this, you don't need to be a master at sales or copywriting... since you'll have very little competition in the first place.

    Seriously man.

    Some people equate it to drilling for oil. But I like the analogy of identifying silver quarters (to keep it simple). When you first start doing it, you will literally have to read the dates of a few thousand quarters. But over time you develop a SCHEMA or sorta 6th sense. As in, you realize you no longer have to read the dates on every single quarter. And it's very liberating.

    You start to notice all these subtle characteristics on quarters that your brain can process literally in miliseconds. So no longer are you flipping quarters around, checking dates, etc... you can tell just by looking at a quarter whether its silver or not. If a quarter is on the ground you don't even need to touch it. You can tell without bending over whether it's silver or not.

    This analogy is very similar to finding untapped niches.

    At first you may need to go through thousands of them. But after a while you develop a SCHEMA... you get this 6th sense that comes from experience. Your brain processes things without you even thinking about them.

    Like when my bots go through a series of commands, filter out a few thousand untapped niches, I don't have to read all the stats on my spreadsheet to find the good ones anymore.

    I merely just scroll down slowly and skim read. And my eyes/brain automatically zone in on the good ones.

    You could also compare it to people who work at pawn shops. At first they all suck. The longer you do it the less and less work it takes to identify rare, valuable items. 95% of the shit you see you can tell pretty quickly it's not worth shit. Then a rare painting finds it way in, and your brain freezes up and zones in on it. You pull out your microscope, you start analyzing it.

    It's not just a learning curve. It's a schema, a natural 6th sense that good businessmen and marketers develop through sacrifice and experience.

    So go sacrifice your time. You obviously have a problem identifying profitable, low competition niches and I'd suggest you learn that as it's one of the most valuable skillsets I can think of. ESPECIALLY for people who are at a financial disadvantage. Cause most people hate keyword research. It's boring. They don't wanna do it. So capitalize on that weakness most marketers have and exploit it for your benefit. Just mastering this 1 skill will put you ahead of most guys on this forum.

    Good luck,

    -RS
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