Mailing Offline Customers - Yay or Nay?

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Hello Warriors... I was wondering if anyone can tell me if they have had more success approaching clients via physical mail, than email or phone?

I am going to offer a service that I don't want to divulge but let me say it hits a serious pain point with local businesses, and I want to mail them proof that they are being hurt along with a letter about my business and how I can help them.

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.

Peter
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  • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
    Originally Posted by StillHill View Post


    I am going to offer a service that I don't want to divulge but let me say it hits a serious pain point with local businesses, and I want to mail them proof that they are being hurt

    Peter
    Peter, when understanding the effective use of pain,
    there are 3 things to consider...

    1 How big it is
    2 How soon it will happen
    3 How likely it will happen

    Those are the quick filters a prospect will use.

    Those will help you to craft a more compelling message.

    Best,
    Doctor E. Vile
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
    Best success I've had using any of those methods for starting a conversation with prospects has been with cold email.
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    • Profile picture of the author thet
      Originally Posted by jamesfreddyc View Post

      Best success I've had using any of those methods for starting a conversation with prospects has been with cold email.
      What do you write in a cold email?
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      • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
        Originally Posted by thet View Post

        What do you write in a cold email?
        Read up on how Aaron Ross used cold emails. I already posted a link in this thread on a source that has other references.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelWinicki
    I've used direct mail and phone.

    Haven't tried cold email, only because many brick & mortar small business owners that I target simply don't use email as much/often.

    Anyway I've had much more success using the phone for the initial contact and then following up with a mix of direct mail, phone and email.

    But what you're going to have to do is test.
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    • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
      Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki View Post


      Haven't tried cold email, only because many brick & mortar small business owners that I target simply don't use email as much/often.
      Funny you say that. I JUST received a reply to a cold email I sent to a small service business in JULY! lol...

      To be honest though, that isn't typical from my experience. I had a similar stereotype already in my head similar to your thoughts but I started running email campaigns and I was just wrong to hold those perceptions.

      How do/did you quantify your prospects email usage?
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelWinicki
        Originally Posted by jamesfreddyc View Post

        Funny you say that. I JUST received a reply to a cold email I sent to a small service business in JULY! lol...

        To be honest though, that isn't typical from my experience. I had a similar stereotype already in my head similar to your thoughts but I started running email campaigns and I was just wrong to hold those perceptions.

        How do/did you quantify your prospects email usage?
        Good question.

        When we cold call them via the telephone getting their email address is of utmost importance.

        Many (and we've call thousands of brick & mortar businesses) either do not use email or it's a "catch-all" email for the business that everyone uses, meaning the likelihood of it getting to the right person is slim.

        Also many brick & mortar businesses do not even have a web site and so no email what so ever.

        We tried a lot of "scraping" at the beginning to get email addresses from brick & mortar and it was an uphill climb. Yes, there are many that you can get, but there is a good percentage of the market that just doesn't do the email thing.

        I luv email and use their email addresses as part of our funnel, but if we relied on it solely for lead generation we would be ignoring a large segment of our prospect base.
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        • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
          Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki View Post

          Good question.

          When we cold call them via the telephone getting their email address is of utmost importance.

          Many (and we've call thousands of brick & mortar businesses) either do not use email or it's a "catch-all" email for the business that everyone uses, meaning the likelihood of it getting to the right person is slim.

          Also many brick & mortar businesses do not even have a web site and so no email what so ever.

          We tried a lot of "scraping" at the beginning to get email addresses from brick & mortar and it was an uphill climb. Yes, there are many that you can get, but there is a good percentage of the market that just doesn't do the email thing.

          I luv email and use their email addresses as part of our funnel, but if we relied on it solely for lead generation we would be ignoring a large segment of our prospect base.
          I'd encourage you to read some of Aaron Ross's work. Much of it specifically addresses what you are running into and by properly designed initial contact email you should be able to easily overcome the getting it to the right person. In fact, doing that is an excellent way to start a conversation with the right person!!!

          I am in a couple of markets that you'd think they wouldn't even have internet connection at their brick and mortar locations. But they do. Often part of the qualifying process I put to them is to identify IF they are willing to adjust some of their business processes --- mostly it's a bit of simple training of staff that I might do over a GoToMeeting session and a slight change in customer relations that they must implement.

          If they aren't willing to do that then they just aren't a good fit for my solutions (SaaS product) and I don't spend much more time on them, certainly don't worry about selling them something.

          Bottom line is that I found most actually "do the email thing", even if they don't own their own domain -- most will have a gmail address.

          Edit: I wanted to reply to this specifically,

          Many (and we've call thousands of brick & mortar businesses) either do not use email or it's a "catch-all" email for the business that everyone uses, meaning the likelihood of it getting to the right person is slim.
          1. Have you considered that because it is a cold call that it could very well just be a brush off to say we don't have email? I mean does it make ANY sense at all that a business doesn't have access to or provide customers access to an email address? (I personally think they are jerking your chain to get you off the phone as quickly as possible).

          2. A catchall email address is perfectly fine. The vast majority of my initial emails go to some form of "info@....com" addresses! If you construct your message properly it will reach the right person. If you are selling something it will not reach anyone and go into the deleted folder or junk box (if your subject is poor).
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          • Profile picture of the author MichaelWinicki
            Originally Posted by jamesfreddyc View Post

            I'd encourage you to read some of Aaron Ross's work. Much of it specifically addresses what you are running into and by properly designed initial contact email you should be able to easily overcome the getting it to the right person. In fact, doing that is an excellent way to start a conversation with the right person!!!

            I am in a couple of markets that you'd think they wouldn't even have internet connection at their brick and mortar locations. But they do. Often part of the qualifying process I put to them is to identify IF they are willing to adjust some of their business processes --- mostly it's a bit of simple training of staff that I might do over a GoToMeeting session and a slight change in customer relations that they must implement.

            If they aren't willing to do that then they just aren't a good fit for my solutions (SaaS product) and I don't spend much more time on them, certainly don't worry about selling them something.

            Bottom line is that I found most actually "do the email thing", even if they don't own their own domain -- most will have a gmail address.

            Edit: I wanted to reply to this specifically,



            1. Have you considered that because it is a cold call that it could very well just be a brush off to say we don't have email? I mean does it make ANY sense at all that a business doesn't have access to or provide customers access to an email address? (I personally think they are jerking your chain to get you off the phone as quickly as possible).

            2. A catchall email address is perfectly fine. The vast majority of my initial emails go to some form of "info@....com" addresses! If you construct your message properly it will reach the right person. If you are selling something it will not reach anyone and go into the deleted folder or junk box (if your subject is poor).

            But if you don't have their email to begin with... you have to do something in order to establish contact and get the ball rolling... And that's where telemarketing or direct mail is the start to the process– A process that includes email addys, when you can get them.
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            • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
              Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki View Post

              But if you don't have their email to begin with... you have to do something in order to establish contact and get the ball rolling... And that's where telemarketing or direct mail is the start to the process- A process that includes email addys, when you can get them.
              There is a lot of material that will help you overcome what is blocking you from seeing what you are missing. You'll just have to uncover it through your own research but I'd definitely continue to read thru Aaron's material, interviews and 3rd party blogs about his work.

              Good luck!
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              • Profile picture of the author MichaelWinicki
                Originally Posted by jamesfreddyc View Post

                There is a lot of material that will help you overcome what is blocking you from seeing what you are missing. You'll just have to uncover it through your own research but I'd definitely continue to read thru Aaron's material, interviews and 3rd party blogs about his work.

                Good luck!
                Hey James, I'm not discounting your approach... not at all. Cold email has it's place in the food chain.

                But if I have 10,000 prospects and only have the emails for a 1/3 of them, then I have to approach the remaining 2/3 with something else.

                Heck if you can profitably lead gen using:

                -email
                -phone
                -direct mail
                -trade journal advert

                Why not use them all?

                And you would probably have to if you're looking to scale-up your business to some level.
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                • Profile picture of the author Biz Max
                  Email does work. I get LOADS of clients/leads from LinkedIn just
                  by simply sending an introductory message. This can work pretty
                  much anywhere .

                  Direct mail is good but I would only do it if what you're selling is
                  high ticket. This way you can expose them to your snazzy thingy
                  with your materials.. but then you should email/call them anyhow.

                  Follow up is everything. No matter what media you use... unless
                  you're selling pizza of course
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  • Profile picture of the author StillHill
    Hey thanks for all of the replies. The reason I ask is most of my prospects I cannot find an email for. Some don't even have a website. My hope is, I can send snail mail showing the issue they currently have and that will be more personal
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  • Profile picture of the author StillHill
    Interesting you said that jamesfreddyc.. I've sent out about 20 emails and had 0 response... keep in mind I realize that is a tiny sample size but like I said, I can't find the email addresses all that easily! I may have passed by thousands of businesses I could approach only because there is no email address listed on their site, OR they have no site.

    I'm curious, what is your typical response rate via cold email?
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    • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
      Originally Posted by StillHill View Post

      I'm curious, what is your typical response rate via cold email?
      My initial response rate to the first email is 25%-35% depending on the niche. It drops off significantly as the conversations progress, which is exactly what I expect and WANT because I am qualifying them, not selling them something.
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    • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
      Originally Posted by StillHill View Post

      Interesting you said that jamesfreddyc.. I've sent out about 20 emails and had 0 response... keep in mind I realize that is a tiny sample size but like I said, I can't find the email addresses all that easily! I may have passed by thousands of businesses I could approach only because there is no email address listed on their site, OR they have no site.

      I'm curious, what is your typical response rate via cold email?
      What are you saying?

      It really is niche dependent upon the content and what you are attempting to do in that initial email. If you are selling something you will get super low response rates. If you are attempting to engage them into conversation you will get far better results. If you are simply trying to determine who the best person is to speak with it will likely be even higher.

      Read up on Aaron Ross and what he's done. There will not be any one specific thing in his material you can just implement, you have to determine how to tweak it to meet your own needs.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    It isn't really something that should be a this or that type deal. If you can call them, call them. If you can email them, email them. If you can mail them, mail them.

    There is no "best" way to market to potential customers. Each thing has its' advantages and disadvantages. The more people you can reach, the better your chances are of them doing business with you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
    I've found physical mail to be good when you've got a few things in place.

    You need to be sending the mail to the right prospect. I don't buy leads. All we do is choose similar clients to our existing clients. Most of those are corporates or regional Government departments.

    We usually do an initial phone call to the prospect or the department we are targeting just letting them know we are sending them something in the post and we usually say it is because so and so from other business suggested we call.

    Then we send the item, which in our case is usually a physical sample with a recommendation of how others in the same industry or department etc are utilising our product.

    I have staff making up various components of the mailing package out of waste product from their other work orders and we stockpile a few packs ready to go at all times so we send 3-4 mail packs each week.

    We include testimonials and invite them to visit product specific landing page to check out other features. Provide all contact info for them to reply and also let them know we will follow up with a phone call.

    In most cases we get a response before we need to follow-up and they are usually email responses requesting pricing structures, terms etc.

    In about 10% of cases we get direct sales from the initial mailing via the website product link from the package.

    In the cases where we get no response we follow up via phone call to ask if the samples arrived and whether there are any questions.

    This is often the most valuable call we make as in the cases where the client is already buying a similar product from a competitor they will often tell us the problems they are having, the prices they are paying, volumes they are ordering amongst other things.

    We usually make a really soft pitch at that point to just email over a "special quote" that they can keep on file for when they are next considering a purchase.

    Sales may not be immediate but I find these types of prospects can purchase anywhere from 3 to 12 months later and in many cases we get them passing our details on through their internal departments and in many cases we go from getting a small sample order to a larger order and if the client is National or Multi-national we often end up picking up orders from all branches.

    So I'd sort of say mailing is a pretty important part of business generation for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Lessard
    The solution here is simple. Do all of them.
    Marketing is about testing.

    Personally I would call and email because its free and you can get started yesterday
    and if I was getting traction but thought I could get more from paid methods like direct mail then I would consider it.
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  • Profile picture of the author StillHill
    Wow pure gold in this thread. Thanks to everyone for all of this valuable information.

    jamesfreddyc can you give me a link to a specific Aaron Ross product that you feel will help me best?
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    • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
      Originally Posted by StillHill View Post

      Wow pure gold in this thread. Thanks to everyone for all of this valuable information.

      jamesfreddyc can you give me a link to a specific Aaron Ross product that you feel will help me best?
      I'm hesitant because discovery is a big part of the growth process. I mean using google should give you instant results and plenty of resources. Also (and I am fine with this), by posting this link I will open myself up to people saying, "that doesn't tell me exactly what I wanted. You suck!".

      Why Sales People shouldn't Prospect - An interview with Aaron Ross | For Entrepreneurs

      It's really important to say (again) that this is not an ebook or course material that will tell you exactly how to construct your campaigns or even how to write an email. But it certainly helped me to figure out how to do it that will meet my specific needs.
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  • Profile picture of the author BUFFALOBT
    I only use email to find advertisers for my co op mailing program.

    It works, if you have lots of patience.

    Rinse and repeat...test different wording...tweak ongoing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Lee
    This is so subjective, because some guys are going to be rockstars on the phone with cold leads and others are going to hate it, so they'll opt for email or direct mail.

    I like my prospects calling me - so I will use a really creative direct mail approach, or email them something of value. Anything you can do to get your foot in the door.

    But whatever you do - know who you are prospecting. Know their pains, what issues are affecting their success online, etc. How can you help them right now, and in the future? You can find out lot just by spending 5-10 minutes on a little research.

    As some really good offliners have already mentioned- there's more than one way to position yourself in front of qualified prospects. So give each one a fair shot, and find out what works best for you.
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