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Today, I was trying to work on a job site, which I was going to launch along with a directory.

The themes I've been working are a nightmare, full of bugs and flaws, and I started comparing them to other sites in the space and it struck me just how much of a gulf of difference there is between themes and scripts made by web developers to sell and the million dollar websites and software that run the top sites in any space. I thought mine looked OK, and relatively speaking they do compared to most of the other junk on offer in the same price bracket, but under the bonnet there's a gigantic difference between them and sites who have invested big money. even on the front end too.

I have to persist at least for a few weeks with getting the directory to where I can generate some revenue. I've dropped the idea of launching a wordpress job board that is way of the pace, and I'll upgrade the directory to customized clone of a really good directory site I've seen and would like to emulate.

I've looked around and inquired about most of the job stuff out there, even madgex, that provides the software for some really high quality job boards like this one, where it's £750 just to post one job:

https://www.guardianjobsrecruiter.co.uk

Most on offer are absolutely crap. To run a site on Madgex, the rep diplomatically made me aware that you'd need very deep pockets to afford their stuff after I put out a £3000 grand a month as a hyperthetical budget. He must have smirked to himself at having to waste his time with such a small timer like me, as it's probably north of £30.000 for these big corporate level sites .

The directories available on wordpress are poor too. Not even 10% of the quality and features of professional sites. The sign-up processes, the options and benefits they offer users, the layout, the functionality, completely different on sites built purposely for a company who know what functionality their directory needs in the real world versus a Themeforest creator.

Enough to make you embarrassed at your own effort you've built with the aim of getting into the market.

So that got me thinking about cloning and a few articles I read. Like this one: If you can't beat 'em, clone 'em: the copycat websites causing war on the web - ES Magazine - Life & Style - London Evening Standard


You can clone top sites and get their business model. I don't know full prices but I've seen around $500 to $1000 to customize any site and create some customer scripts and change design. Maybe even less.


Some business models are making 100's of 0000's in revenue and you can clone their model like the guys in the article have done to build an empire of billions.

I wish I'd looked into cloning again more closely before blowing around a $1000 on poor scripts and themes where most don't have the functions to enable you to run a successful, higher-end business.

If you're going to get into that area, then save up and invest the extra few hundred in cloning a top site in the industry who have already spent 000's, more likely millions, on development, buyer journeys, conversion testing, UI, copy, design, etc.


Hard lesson I learned today when I realized how far off the pace my sites actually are from top companies making truckloads of money offering the same kind of services and who could relatively easily be copied. And how I could have invested and have two or three higher-end websites that users will love for the same amount of money and less time, without having to spend weeks trying to fix bugs with the other themes.


Anyone here know anything about cloning?
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  • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
    Russell Brunson has run webinars on how he does it.

    Including where they get traffic from.

    I can't give you any links to replays,
    so it's a case of you hunting them down.

    Best,
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    The site you linked to is bootstrap. In the realm of bootstrap its pretty basic actually... Im sure you can think for a moment and come up with at least 1 person you know that does that type of programming.


    In the realm of wordpress that site could without question be replicated. The "Responsive" theme from cyberchimps and the icegram plugin for the pop-ups and your in business.


    Originally Posted by Underground View Post

    Today, I was trying to work on a job site, which I was going to launch along with a directory.

    The themes I've been working are a nightmare, full of bugs and flaws, and I started comparing them to other sites in the space and it struck me just how much of a gulf of difference there is between themes and scripts made by web developers to sell and the million dollar websites and software that run the top sites in any space. I thought mine looked OK, and relatively speaking they do compared to most of the other junk on offer in the same price bracket, but under the bonnet there's a gigantic difference between them and sites who have invested big money. even on the front end too.

    I have to persist at least for a few weeks with getting the directory to where I can generate some revenue. I've dropped the idea of launching a wordpress job board that is way of the pace, and I'll upgrade the directory to customized clone of a really good directory site I've seen and would like to emulate.

    I've looked around and inquired about most of the job stuff out there, even madgex, that provides the software for some really high quality job boards like this one, where it's £750 just to post one job:

    https://www.guardianjobsrecruiter.co.uk

    Most on offer are absolutely crap. To run a site on Madgex, the rep diplomatically made me aware that you'd need very deep pockets to afford their stuff after I put out a £3000 grand a month as a hyperthetical budget. He must have smirked to himself at having to waste his time with such a small timer like me, as it's probably north of £30.000 for these big corporate level sites .

    The directories available on wordpress are poor too. Not even 10% of the quality and features of professional sites. The sign-up processes, the options and benefits they offer users, the layout, the functionality, completely different on sites built purposely for a company who know what functionality their directory needs in the real world versus a Themeforest creator.

    Enough to make you embarrassed at your own effort you've built with the aim of getting into the market.

    So that got me thinking about cloning and a few articles I read. Like this one: If you can't beat 'em, clone 'em: the copycat websites causing war on the web - ES Magazine - Life & Style - London Evening Standard


    You can clone top sites and get their business model. I don't know full prices but I've seen around $500 to $1000 to customize any site and create some customer scripts and change design. Maybe even less.


    Some business models are making 100's of 0000's in revenue and you can clone their model like the guys in the article have done to build an empire of billions.

    I wish I'd looked into cloning again more closely before blowing around a $1000 on poor scripts and themes where most don't have the functions to enable you to run a successful, higher-end business.

    If you're going to get into that area, then save up and invest the extra few hundred in cloning a top site in the industry who have already spent 000's, more likely millions, on development, buyer journeys, conversion testing, UI, copy, design, etc.


    Hard lesson I learned today when I realized how far off the pace my sites actually are from top companies making truckloads of money offering the same kind of services and who could relatively easily be copied. And how I could have invested and have two or three higher-end websites that users will love for the same amount of money and less time, without having to spend weeks trying to fix bugs with the other themes.


    Anyone here know anything about cloning?
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      The site you linked to is bootstrap. In the realm of bootstrap its pretty basic actually... Im sure you can think for a moment and come up with at least 1 person you know that does that type of programming.


      In the realm of wordpress that site could without question be replicated. The "Responsive" theme from cyberchimps and the icegram plugin for the pop-ups and your in business.
      What makes you say it's bootstrap? It looks to me that they're using the Magnolia CMS with Madgex integration. Guess they're using Adobe creative cloud too.
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      • Profile picture of the author savidge4
        Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

        What makes you say it's bootstrap? It looks to me that they're using the Magnolia CMS with Madgex integration. Guess they're using Adobe creative cloud too.

        To be honest, there is a part of me that just wants to say; you know, you are right... but I cant.

        So a little background, Magnolia CMS is actually built on the Vaadin Framework. The magnolia CMS is not a wordpress type CMS. Specifically it is a development CMS. there is a secure side and then there is the public side. In THIS case in particular I saw that they ( madgex ) are using SCRUM development process.

        So on the secure side a team can work on the page / pages together as a team with open discussion be it with developers in the office, or around the world. If you look up SCRUM you will see it is a pretty involved development structure, and the idea of it is pretty cool.

        So magnolia takes the elements developed on the secure side, and the "ScrumMaster" hits the switch when every one is happy, That development then goes live on the public side.

        I know ( because I am a geek and read about this crap ) Vaadin and bootstrap actually work well together. Vaadin is a Java based development framework, and bootstrap is a CSS based development framework.

        To be honest I did not even look in the top header section to see if it was tagged. I went right down into the code and saw some of the basic file path hierarchy and saw that there is use of grids which in general is a good indicator of Bootstrap.

        I took a moment to look at "Madgex" and found them to be applying a WP theme ( proprietary I am sure ) to their own page. And again looking at their page code and structure there are some indications of a bootstrap'd WP theme.

        So I am going to stand by my answer - sorry.
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        • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
          Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

          I took a moment to look at "Madgex" and found them to be applying a WP theme ( proprietary I am sure ) to their own page. And again looking at their page code and structure there are some indications of a bootstrap'd WP theme.

          So I am going to stand by my answer - sorry.
          Madgex is a script not simply a website.

          And you can stand by your answer but you're still wrong.

          I suggest you go back and look at the CSS. Absolutely no grid signal that it's using bootstrap whatsoever. You're just assuming that because it's responsive, that it's using bootstrap and maybe because of the boxsizing.htc tag in there but that has been used long before bootstrap existed.

          I can't allow you to be so confidently wrong. LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Originally Posted by Underground View Post

    Anyone here know anything about cloning?
    Sorry, forgot to even answer your question!

    I do know a little bit but not very much at all. I've had a couple cloning projects in the past, and even did a facebook clone a few years ago. Most cloning projects I've had were a huge pain in the butt to be honest, but that's probably because I always ended up doing things the hard way and had multiple developers stepping over each others toes and inevitably caused a lot of problems due to poor management on my behalf.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    I should expand on the grid though, and understand why you would initially think its bootstrap but there's no bootstrap.css and the grid format is not what would be done in bootstrap.

    You would see a bunch of: col-md or col-sm col-xs in the code. And some span4's and such. Here...compare the site code with this bootstrap3 template LEARN - Courses, Education site template

    here's another good example: http://craftnodehosting.com/
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      I should expand on the grid though, and understand why you would initially think its bootstrap but there's no bootstrap.css and the grid format is not what would be done in bootstrap.

      You would see a bunch of: col-md or col-sm col-xs in the code. And some span4's and such. Here...compare the site code with this bootstrap3 template LEARN - Courses, Education site template

      here's another good example: CraftNode Hosting | Optimal Minecraft Server Hosting With DDOS Protection | Portal Home
      Here I was thinking that "package.css" was a renamed "bootstrap.css" but now really looking at the grid settings like closely below:

      < div class = grid-item one-quarter lap-one-third palm-one-half >

      I believe this to be responsive utility classes and that would be basically the equivalent of shortcode so CSS is being defined and called in this manor to create a truly "Responsive" page.

      ok a bunch of searching I have figured out what it is, well kinda... its all this guy Home &ndash; CSS Wizardry &ndash; CSS, OOCSS, front-end architecture, performance and more, by Harry Roberts and his "inuitcss" I guess?

      So I will stand corrected - MAYBE.. my bad.


      <edit> the more I read about this guy and look at his code at https://github.com/csswizardry/csswizardry-grids the more you realize that all of the shortfalls of "Responsive" is answered This guy seriously didn't knock it through the roof, he has hit it through the roof at the Sear Tower.... from the Lobby. Jeeze oh Pete </edit>


      PS - Underground.. he lives in the UK and is looking for a project!!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Underground
      Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

      Russell Brunson has run webinars on how he does it.

      Including where they get traffic from.

      I can't give you any links to replays,
      so it's a case of you hunting them down.

      Best,
      Doctor E. Vile
      Thanks. Tried to hunt that down with the search queries Russell Brunson Cloning and Russell Brunson Cloning Webinar. And no joy. This thread is on page one already though for both queries. Interesting. You probably have a great deal of threads indexed on the first page.

      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      The site you linked to is bootstrap. In the realm of bootstrap its pretty basic actually... Im sure you can think for a moment and come up with at least 1 person you know that does that type of programming.


      In the realm of wordpress that site could without question be replicated. The "Responsive" theme from cyberchimps and the icegram plugin for the pop-ups and your in business.
      Thanks for the tip with the Github link. I've no doubt you could use wordpress to achieve the same thing. But you'd need to start a completely custom build, which obviously involves a lot.

      Another thing is the databased on these sites. I'm not exactly sure and have inquired elsewhere, but if you did clone some of the top job sites, you could download their cv database and could then charge for access to a search as is common practise for some job sites.

      It would certainly look more impressive if you could have the fact you have a database of a million CV's for recruiters to look through and give them lots of different search options, for example

      Same with directories. I think you could even use cloning to get a database of profiles to pre-populate your site with.

      Not to mentions all their landing and product pages. Just saves a great deal of time and with a bit of customization and redesign you'd have a site that's great for users.

      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      Sorry, forgot to even answer your question!

      I do know a little bit but not very much at all. I've had a couple cloning projects in the past, and even did a facebook clone a few years ago. Most cloning projects I've had were a huge pain in the butt to be honest, but that's probably because I always ended up doing things the hard way and had multiple developers stepping over each others toes and inevitably caused a lot of problems due to poor management on my behalf.
      Yeah, I started this thread because the sites I visited made it all seem so straight-forward and it can seem to good to be true. There must be more involved in what, say, those german guys in the article do when they clone and rebrand sites.

      To me, it's the direction I'll definitely be taking, because I know the sites I've been intending to replicate are raking it in, and my efforts, on 9 sites, was just not going to cut it as it, trying to build and customize them myself.

      But the model those German guys have got down is generating big money.
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