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How to reach out business owners?

by Mike Braswell
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Hi Warriors!

I want to build free websites for small business owners and wondering how to find them. I tried Craiglists but didn't have good results.

Is there any place to offer free website creation for people who are really serious?

Thanks
#business #owners #reach
  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    Originally Posted by Mike Braswell View Post

    Hi Warriors!

    I want to build free websites for small business owners and wondering how to find them. I tried Craiglists but didn't have good results.

    Is there any place to offer free website creation for people who are really serious?

    Thanks

    "Free" and "Really Serious" are not normally a good combination. The question I have is WHY? There has got to be one heck of an uptake on this one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Braswell
      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      "Free" and "Really Serious" are not normally a good combination. The question I have is WHY? There has got to be one heck of an uptake on this one.
      But I think "Free" and "Really Serious" are a good combination.
      I offer free website building and then I offer my upsells. I have 3 more services to offer and usually people request for at least one more services, and that's where I make money.

      Mike
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        Originally Posted by Mike Braswell View Post

        But I think "Free" and "Really Serious" are a good combination.
        Your lack of results tell a different story though...
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Braswell
          Just came again to this thread and thanks for everyone who joined to discussion.

          Originally Posted by DABK View Post

          Why do you want to do free websites? You have an automatic way of them doing it or are you DOING the doing? If the latter, what's your goal? How do you make money?
          Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

          Your lack of results tell a different story though...
          Not knowing my success story is a different story though......

          In two days I joined to facebook local services groups and posted my offer. I actually told people I build websites free but you need to register your hosting with my referral account. I get paid $125 per sign up at SiteGround.

          In two days I received lots of requests but I created 10 websites for free, 7 monthly updates to website for $47 each, sold 2 mobile websites for $397 each.

          I made $1250 only by creating free website without counting upsells.

          I've posted on 8 groups for that result because fb groups get low views and looking to find a new way to get more requests.

          ~ Mike Braswell
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          • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
            Originally Posted by Mike Braswell View Post

            Not knowing my success story is a different story though......
            So you think you're successful because you were able to build 10 websites + more work for $125 each?

            I for one, do thank you though... it's usually people that get an insanely cheap deal and cheap website that make for really decent leads a little after they get their free deal. Makes it easy to swoop in and show them real value.

            Yesterday I sold to a company that got started online because of a bottom feeder like yourself, "free website" and they never went back to the guy because he was cheap, free, didn't value his own time or at least gave that perception. He probably thought they would never spend much money anyway so he was doing them a favor. Anyway, it was an easy, low effort, $2,500 sale with about $15,000 annual value.

            How many free websites would it take you to match what I was able to do in 10 minutes?

            I guess if you made $1,250 with 10 free sites, it would take 100 free sites to make $12,500 and I'm still 5K ahead in value.

            Good luck with your model.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Braswell
              Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

              So you think you're successful because you were able to build 10 websites + more work for $125 each?
              Yes, I think I'm successful with making $1250 + $1186 from upsells = $2436 in two days. Also take note that it's not $125/free website. It's much bigger with upsells. I build websites for them for free, then ask them if they need more changes for their website and I make those.

              They trust me by presenting a great work and they are really willing to pay more for their business. And that's where I present them my other services and two of them are monthly services and I make money month after month.

              Mostly people come from small restaurants, coffee shops, barber shops and dentists.

              And yes, I'm confident about my model and going to make $30k+ per month with this model.

              Regards
              Mike
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              • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
                Originally Posted by Mike Braswell View Post

                Yes, I think I'm successful with making $1250 + $1186 from upsells = $2436 in two days. Also take note that it's not $125/free website. It's much bigger with upsells. I build websites for them for free, then ask them if they need more changes for their website and I make those.

                They trust me by presenting a great work and they are really willing to pay more for their business. And that's where I present them my other services and two of them are monthly services and I make money month after month.

                Mostly people come from small restaurants, coffee shops, barber shops and dentists.

                And yes, I'm confident about my model and going to make $30k+ per month with this model.

                Regards
                Mike
                That's doubtful.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Braswell
                  Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

                  That's doubtful.
                  I'm not selling anything here to lie and build trust and don't need to lie for any reason. I shared what I did and it's not my problem that you can't believe it.

                  Mike
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                  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
                    Originally Posted by Mike Braswell View Post

                    I'm not selling anything here to lie and build trust and don't need to lie for any reason. I shared what I did and it's not my problem that you can't believe it.

                    Mike
                    I don't know why people do the things they do on here, I've seen tons of fabrications on here.

                    I wasn't accusing you of lying, I was saying "that's doubtful" to you building a 30k/mo business by doing this. I have to admit though, when you talk about the lowest of the low end stuff like restaurants, barber shops, and coffee shops it makes sense they would take you up on that offer, but then you mentioned dentists so that kind of seemed fishy to me.

                    Anyway, I'm not really trying to pick on you Mike. I hope you do well with this but I can't see you being able to scale it up doing that. I've been at it for a while now so I do know first hand what works and what doesn't. Freemium models don't last for us...

                    It doesn't affect me with how you charge people... people like you are actually making a lot of leads open to higher end work down the road for companies and individuals on this forum.

                    IF you really are on it like you say... maybe you can do well... but you likely won't get to 30k/mo doing what you're doing. When starting out, people tend to get hung up on 5K/mo... then 10k/mo... the real first challenge when in this business is getting above 20k/mo. That's when most people are feeling swamped and don't have proper processes in place. They have no idea about proper processes and systems until then because there's no way to experience that initial level of demand until you're there. THAT is why I said I doubt it, to your 30k/mo statement, also because you're not charging for hosting, just getting the one time affiliate commissions. You're not building an asset you will surely need down the road.

                    Just because I seem like a dick at times, doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. Just trying to help you see a bigger picture.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Braswell
                      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

                      I don't know why people do the things they do on here, I've seen tons of fabrications on here.

                      I wasn't accusing you of lying, I was saying "that's doubtful" to you building a 30k/mo business by doing this. I have to admit though, when you talk about the lowest of the low end stuff like restaurants, barber shops, and coffee shops it makes sense they would take you up on that offer, but then you mentioned dentists so that kind of seemed fishy to me.

                      Anyway, I'm not really trying to pick on you Mike. I hope you do well with this but I can't see you being able to scale it up doing that. I've been at it for a while now so I do know first hand what works and what doesn't. Freemium models don't last for us...

                      It doesn't affect me with how you charge people... people like you are actually making a lot of leads open to higher end work down the road for companies and individuals on this forum.

                      IF you really are on it like you say... maybe you can do well... but you likely won't get to 30k/mo doing what you're doing. When starting out, people tend to get hung up on 5K/mo... then 10k/mo... the real first challenge when in this business is getting above 20k/mo. That's when most people are feeling swamped and don't have proper processes in place. They have no idea about proper processes and systems until then because there's no way to experience that initial level of demand until you're there. THAT is why I said I doubt it, to your 30k/mo statement, also because you're not charging for hosting, just getting the one time affiliate commissions. You're not building an asset you will surely need down the road.

                      Just because I seem like a dick at times, doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. Just trying to help you see a bigger picture.
                      I can understand what you are saying, but if I could make $2k+ in two days I can make that $30k in next 30 days. I received 5 more request for free websites and 1 mobile website today.

                      I'm planning to hire a VA and outsource the dirty jobs. So I can focus on selling mobile websites and SEO for businesses who can afford it.

                      I'm new to offline marketing and have lots of mistakes but I didn't have this kind of success in other internet marketing ways like CPA or list building.

                      Mike
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        Originally Posted by Mike Braswell View Post

        But I think "Free" and "Really Serious" are a good combination. Mike
        Mike, who cares what YOU think. You are missing the point. It's what others think about your offer that counts. (No offence.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Braswell
    I know there are lots of people need building their websites and my goal is to reach those peoples and offer free website creation.

    I had some results with posting on Craigslist but not really good and looking for more places and ways to present my offers.

    Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by Mike Braswell View Post

      I know there are lots of people need building their websites and my goal is to reach those peoples and offer free website creation.

      I had some results with posting on Craigslist but not really good and looking for more places and ways to present my offers.

      Mike
      There will come a time in your career that you will realize that it is harder to give away your services than actually sell them.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Ogden
    I am sure that there are many small businesses around where you live, whose business could be enhanced by having a website, make use of local directories, knock on doors, talk to people. I think you can get better results working offline, as many small businesses dont know where to begin when setting up online.

    You could have customers for life.
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  • Profile picture of the author kevinenrique
    For me, I found there's an interesting relationship between prices and customer type.
    When I started out, I also offered free website. I got the worst customers. I decided to start charging for websites but started really low: I also got PITA customers... Then I raised my prices more, I got decent customers, then I raised them more, I started getting better customers..

    The higher the price the better the customers, and the freebie seekers and PITA customers stayed away.
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    • Profile picture of the author WebOutGateway
      Originally Posted by kevinenrique View Post

      For me, I found there's an interesting relationship between prices and customer type.
      When I started out, I also offered free website. I got the worst customers. I decided to start charging for websites but started really low: I also got PITA customers... Then I raised my prices more, I got decent customers, then I raised them more, I started getting better customers..

      The higher the price the better the customers, and the freebie seekers and PITA customers stayed away.
      I agree with this. sometimes we just need to start at the lowest- start free. but as we gain the credibility and 'name', we can now start asking foe charges little by little. Also, thumbs up for prices is directly proportional to customer decency.
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    Most accountants in my area do not have a website. (Also, most don't seem to think they need one. They're set up badly, can't handle more, have cash flow but barely any profit/income).

    Why do you want to do free websites? You have an automatic way of them doing it or are you DOING the doing? If the latter, what's your goal? How do you make money?

    Originally Posted by Mike Braswell View Post

    Hi Warriors!

    I want to build free websites for small business owners and wondering how to find them. I tried Craiglists but didn't have good results.

    Is there any place to offer free website creation for people who are really serious?

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author umc
    I've never done this model but it seems like the clients you would attract would be hard to upsell. My guess is that they have no money and that's why they take you up on the freebie. How can you upsell someone with no money? I've definitely discounted services too much when starting businesses and it tends to attract poor clients. I like seeing dollars as certificates of appreciation (credit to Daniel Lapin's book Thou Shall Prosper). Someone's willingness to pay you shows how much they value what you do for them. Cheap people tend to have a low value of you.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Nah, you want clients who actually have business savvy and a budget for marketing/advertising investments.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Lessard
    You had enough people tell you why you should not do this so I won't bother beating a dead horse.

    So if you put a gun to my head and force me to solve your problem here is how I see it.
    You want to build free web sites for people that are serious and you can later up sell.

    The answer is this.
    Change your ads and your process.
    Ads now become "See if you qualify for a free web site"
    Then build a story.
    Say how you were struggling once too and you like to give back so every month you build 2 free web sites for people that are serious and that by having done this in the past, by investing in others they chose to buy some of your up sells later down the road.

    Send them to a page that makes them apply for the free web site.
    Make them tell you why they can't pay for a site today but will be a good customer for you in the long run.
    You will be in the drivers seat and you can choose to build sites for those that prove they are serious based on how they answer your questions and how much info they provide.
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    • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
      My guess is that you get them to take your hosting - either a one time $100-125 deal from a host or sign them up to your own hosting and get a monthly fee from them (hopefully fairly generous fee?)




      IMHO something like this could be done through networking events in your city - face to face...or by walking in doors of places you have checked to see they do not have a website. Try for some close to each other, get them to give you referrals, maybe upsell them into a co-op ad postcard or something?


      I don't think it is a long term plan , but you could do ok and build from there. Hookup with a good wholesale printer, and sell them biz cards, flyers, other printing, do a logo, other design work etc.


      Probably the worst way to target these guys with no website is through email - they obviously are not into the internet, and probably don't even check email or read craigslist.
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    • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
      I like this.


      It makes it a valuable prize, not a free and cheap thing that attracts the wrong element.




      Originally Posted by Peter Lessard View Post

      You had enough people tell you why you should not do this so I won't bother beating a dead horse.

      So if you put a gun to my head and force me to solve your problem here is how I see it.
      You want to build free web sites for people that are serious and you can later up sell.

      The answer is this.
      Change your ads and your process.
      Ads now become "See if you qualify for a free web site"
      Then build a story.
      Say how you were struggling once too and you like to give back so every month you build 2 free web sites for people that are serious and that by having done this in the past, by investing in others they chose to buy some of your up sells later down the road.

      Send them to a page that makes them apply for the free web site.
      Make them tell you why they can't pay for a site today but will be a good customer for you in the long run.
      You will be in the drivers seat and you can choose to build sites for those that prove they are serious based on how they answer your questions and how much info they provide.
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    • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
      Originally Posted by PDLaughlin View Post

      Hey Mike,

      This may help: removed link to Drew's own offer LOL

      Also, have you ever considering finding a business that doesn't already have a site and creating them a demo site and then sending them to that link? It may take a little more time but it may save you time in the long run. As others have mentioned most businesses understand nothing is for free. They will expect some kind of pitch or something. But if you show them some real value on the front-end you may be better off.

      Good luck,
      Drew



      Oh please....how can your link/product you are selling help him?


      Do you honestly think a bank will set up a lunch for him to give "free" websites to small biz with no website?? LOL LOL LOL

      You know...it is nice to see people here show their integrity or lack of it - shamelessly promoting a product that in no way relates to this person's question?
      Oh....and let's see you tell us how many banks are setting this up for you?


      It sounds like a bad idea to me for most people, hard to implement. Just getting through the red tape of most banks is impossible. Let's get real here

      I guess some warriors don't want to spring for paid advertising ?? Of course if you give it away some learned "expert" will review it




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      • Profile picture of the author PDLaughlin
        Originally Posted by Freebiequeen1999 View Post



        Oh please....how can your link/product you are selling help him?

        Do you honestly think a bank will set up a lunch for him to give "free" websites to small biz with no website?? LOL LOL LOL

        You know...it is nice to see people here show their integrity or lack of it - shamelessly promoting a product that in no way relates to this person's question?
        Oh....and let's see you tell us how many banks are setting this up for you?

        It sounds like a bad idea to me for most people, hard to implement. Just getting through the red tape of most banks is impossible. Let's get real here

        I guess some warriors don't want to spring for paid advertising ?? Of course if you give it away some learned "expert" will review it
        You make me laugh. You criticize something you clearly know nothing about and you hide behind a screen name of "Freebiequeen" and don't use your real name. Nice! LOL

        I get how someone of your character would think that I shamelessly plugged my own product. But to be honest, that was not my intent. I didn't even think about it. I put it on there because it IS something that can help Mike. I'll give him my product for free. I could care less. The same link is in my signature... so what does it matter??? It was provided to help someone who is actually looking for help and not trolling threads like a tool.

        If you had a clue what you were talking about you would realize that the model not only works with banks but several other associations and partnerships. In Mike's case there would be some tweaking because his hook is weak. But that's something that of course would be improved.

        While my customers and I continue to get all the clients we can handle - the results speak for themselves - you can squander in mediocrity and wrongly accuse people of wrongdoing when in fact they were simply trying to help. As they say, "you can't fix stupid".
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        • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
          Originally Posted by PDLaughlin View Post

          You make me laugh. You criticize something you clearly know nothing about and you hide behind a screen name of "Freebiequeen" and don't use your real name. Nice! LOL

          I get how someone of your character would think that I shamelessly plugged my own product. But to be honest, that was not my intent. I didn't even think about it. I put it on there because it IS something that can help Mike. I'll give him my product for free. I could care less. The same link is in my signature... so what does it matter??? It was provided to help someone who is actually looking for help and not trolling threads like a tool.

          If you had a clue what you were talking about you would realize that the model not only works with banks but several other associations and partnerships. In Mike's case there would be some tweaking because his hook is weak. But that's something that of course would be improved.

          While my customers and I continue to get all the clients we can handle - the results speak for themselves - you can squander in mediocrity and wrongly accuse people of wrongdoing when in fact they were simply trying to help. As they say, "you can't fix stupid".

          Blah blah blah....trolling is something you apparently do not me.


          FYI - no one is hiding...maybe people who interject their wso/jvzoo product into threads should be the ones to hide


          If you will "give" him your report, why? why are you selling it if you are ready to give it away to someone you never met?? You actually think that a kid who is complaining that he can't give away "free" websites will be able to get a bank (or other biz) to invite their clients to a seminar and lunch with him? Oh thanks for the laughs tee hee




          You don't even know me yet you say "squander in mediocrity" - when YOU come and put your link to a program you sell, not give it away

          Put your money where your mouth is then - why not give us all a copy? U and your "customers" have all the biz you can handle, surely you just "slipped" and put your link to your sales page here right....so put up or shut up....why not just post a download link for all?
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  • Profile picture of the author kemdev
    The product plug, worthless. People who do this know that.

    Also, I don't think the OP really wants help. General questions like this are the mark of people looking for validation... Not the mark of people who really want help.

    What's the best way to contact? What's the best subject line? What's the best time to call? What's the best service to offer?

    There is no best. Things work and things don't. You'll only find out doing it.
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    • Profile picture of the author PDLaughlin
      Originally Posted by kemdev View Post

      The product plug, worthless. People who do this know that.

      Also, I don't think the OP really wants help. General questions like this are the mark of people looking for validation... Not the mark of people who really want help.

      What's the best way to contact? What's the best subject line? What's the best time to call? What's the best service to offer?

      There is no best. Things work and things don't. You'll only find out doing it.
      It would be nice to be able to respond to someone who actually provides their real name. Regardless, you can read my post above to see my true intent of what I was trying to do. The link is in my signature for crying out loud so I'm not sure what the big deal is.
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      • Profile picture of the author kemdev
        Originally Posted by PDLaughlin View Post

        It would be nice to be able to respond to someone who actually provides their real name. Regardless, you can read my post above to see my true intent of what I was trying to do. The link is in my signature for crying out loud so I'm not sure what the big deal is.
        Who's to say if that's your real name?

        Anonymity doesn't invalidate my point. And this is pretty generally a no bullshit zone. We don't take kindly to WSO promoters.
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        • Profile picture of the author PDLaughlin
          Originally Posted by kemdev View Post

          Who's to say if that's your real name?

          Anonymity doesn't invalidate my point. And this is pretty generally a no bullshit zone. We don't take kindly to WSO promoters.
          Really? My real name (as you still don't provide yours)? Man alive. Look up any of my stuff. I'm 100% transparent!!! No bullshit from this end. Just providing world class products and services to my customer that actually make a difference. That's a lot more than I can say for trolls that provide zero value.

          But hey, I wish you all the best "kemdev".

          - Drew
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      • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
        Originally Posted by PDLaughlin View Post

        It would be nice to be able to respond to someone who actually provides their real name. Regardless, you can read my post above to see my true intent of what I was trying to do. The link is in my signature for crying out loud so I'm not sure what the big deal is.

        You are not the forum God.... there is no rule here to use your real name
        That is a fake way to avoid the fact - you posted your ad link right here


        There is a rule to not post your paid links into a thread - this is not the ad board
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        • Profile picture of the author PDLaughlin
          Originally Posted by Freebiequeen1999 View Post

          You are not the forum God.... there is no rule here to use your real name
          That is a fake way to avoid the fact - you posted your ad link right here

          There is a rule to not post your paid links into a thread - this is not the ad board
          It was a link to a free video that is posted on a blog. No optin. No nothing. My ad link is in my signature. Nice try though.

          I help over 2,000 consultants every month make shit happen in their business. But this whole thing is a freaking joke - including you. (Hide behind a fake name with no consequences because no one can find out who you really are. Total joke.)

          All I was trying to do is help Mike because I know my FREE video with NO OPTIN will help him. In fact, it will help any real marketing consultant that needs local businesses as clients. It's proven over and over again.

          I apologize for nothing as all I was trying to do was help. But no worries. I'm moving on.

          I wish you the best "Freebiequeen".

          - Drew
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  • Profile picture of the author Raymond T
    I'm involved with a web marketing agency that caters exclusively to bars & restaurants. We've actually found it very difficult to cultivate new clients online. Our most effective mode of reaching out has been what we call boots on the ground. It's what separates our firm from our competitors. It doesn't hurt if you become a customer first and then ask for the owner after a few friendly visits. Best of luck to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author IMAnthony
    Originally Posted by Mike Braswell View Post

    Hi Warriors!

    I want to build free websites for small business owners and wondering how to find them. I tried Craiglists but didn't have good results.

    Is there any place to offer free website creation for people who are really serious?

    Thanks
    Why not to make the offer to business owners who you already know personally or visit frequently?
    For example, if you know a pizza guy who does not have a website you can offer to build one with zero cost. Believe me, later you can use that free job to get more business that you can handle

    And posting the offer in FB groups is a great alternative. And if you are getting results I think that you have adapted this method enough to make it your 'own' method.

    Don't get discouraged for some braggers, wannabe experts that spend their life on forums only to get some pennies trying to teach what they don't know. There are so much free information on the internet that you can learn, adapt and get results from.

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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Mike,

    Congratulations!

    Are you a one man shop right now?

    How many hours of work do you have to do to serve these clients well?

    You don't have to answer, and I don't know your level of experience,
    but I'm sure you can see the processes: get clients, do or manage the
    work while continuing to get clients, do or manage that work while
    continuing... Hiring and managing takes a chunk of time...

    Your current model means 8 to 10 times as many clients as you have now to
    hit the 30K target?

    Dan
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Braswell
      Originally Posted by IMAnthony View Post

      Why not to make the offer to business owners who you already know personally or visit frequently?
      For example, if you know a pizza guy who does not have a website you can offer to build one with zero cost. Believe me, later you can use that free job to get more business that you can handle

      And posting the offer in FB groups is a great alternative. And if you are getting results I think that you have adapted this method enough to make it your 'own' method.

      Don't get discouraged for some braggers, wannabe experts that spend their life on forums only to get some pennies trying to teach what they don't know. There are so much free information on the internet that you can learn, adapt and get results from.

      Congratulations!
      Thank you buddy Appreciate your advice.


      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      Mike,

      Congratulations!

      Are you a one man shop right now?

      How many hours of work do you have to do to serve these clients well?

      You don't have to answer, and I don't know your level of experience,
      but I'm sure you can see the processes: get clients, do or manage the
      work while continuing to get clients, do or manage that work while
      continuing... Hiring and managing takes a chunk of time...

      Your current model means 8 to 10 times as many clients as you have now to
      hit the 30K target?

      Dan
      Thanks Dan,
      My clients provide me the content and I spend around 30-40 minutes per website to build using WordPress. Some websites take only 20 minutes to build with ready content.

      Yes, it's lot of time but I planned to work hard and then outsource everything. Target is at least $30k in 30 days But going still learn lots of thing here.

      Mike
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      • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
        Originally Posted by Mike Braswell View Post

        Yes, it's lot of time but I planned to work hard and then outsource everything. Target is at least $30k in 30 days But going still learn lots of thing here.

        Mike
        In another industry it took me a year before I could employ one full time employee.

        Within two years I had three.

        If you have such ambitious plans to grow fast you should start getting quality help onboard right now because if you can't you will end up with big problems.

        Free samples are one thing but if you give a lot of your time for free or give a lot of your outsourcers time for free what will happen pretty quickly is you will run into cash-flow problems.

        It would pay to take some of the advice on offer from others in this thread who are well ahead of where you are at.

        An Aesop's fable comes to mind "pride before a fall"

        Look at the warning signs.

        Plenty of work and one person to do it.

        In my experience you need to employ the staff before you take on the work.

        I've got many staff (eight full timers and many other casuals and outsourced help) and I can tell you that fulfilment and getting paid PROFITABLY is paramount to long-term success.

        I'm a 24 years in business veteran (scary)

        Even in this last week I've had one person on 3 weeks annual leave.

        One staff member in an induced coma after a stroke.

        My wife away for seven weeks on business and holiday with her family whilst I look after 2 kids.

        I have plenty of work and plenty of leads in the pipe but do you think I don't have to manage cash-flow issues?

        Be careful equating gross sales with net profit.

        As for dentists...my dentist already uses Infusionsoft and regularly gets educated, as does nearly all of his competition, via regular seminars and industry meetings etc....

        ...in fact when I visit him...he usually grills me about what's working for some of my surgical clients.

        Everyone in the big money areas is looking for an edge and FREE is not it.

        If you have success in some areas and you want to elevate your business to the higher levels you will need to have staff on hand or educate yourself to deal with the systems that many of these businesses already employ.

        It's easy dealing with simple businesses but once you enter the professional fields the knowledge base required expands exponentially and that is why you need to get help that has skills in areas that you don't pretty quickly and start to charge appropriately otherwise you won't have the capacity to pay for the individuals you need to service the better clients that you seek.
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      • Profile picture of the author savidge4
        Originally Posted by Mike Braswell View Post

        My clients provide me the content and I spend around 30-40 minutes per website to build using WordPress. Some websites take only 20 minutes to build with ready content.

        Yes, it's lot of time but I planned to work hard and then outsource everything. Target is at least $30k in 30 days But going still learn lots of thing here.
        Wow...

        My average build time is 10 hours... and that is with a pretty tight system in place to make that happen. At the end of my build process there is another 5 hours or so of property development that takes place. I don't just build sites, I build revenue centers. And I believe that this is where you and I would separate in belief.

        Web design is NOT a build it and they will come proposition. The question then needs to be asked if you are building a page, and not implementing at least an effort in developing the traffic to go with it why bother.

        I get it.. you grossed $2500 in 2 days.. good for you. The American dream... but what about the hopes and dreams of the people you are providing the service for? I like to believe that in success there is balance. what is good for you needs to be good for your clients as well. At some point if this balance is not met, there will be a breaking point.

        Look at Jordan Belfort, on the backs of how many and how much? and now what? An extreme? sure. Scale it back to 10 "free" websites a day that cost on average $250... I think you should get the point.

        Your marketing strategy... get a website for free all you have to do is use my affiliate link. Where you aware that marketing FREE with stipulations in the USA is actually "illegal"? FREE has to be just that... FREE.

        I know what none of what anyone is going to say here is going to change your mind... You are on a mission and you have chosen a path. You are young and focused... all great traits actually. Its not going to happen today, but you will learn your own personal value. and with time beyond that, you will understand the value of those that you serve.

        I really do wish you the greatest of success. with that, I like to leave you with some parting words...

        Never consider yourself successful, consider yourself fortunate. look at tomorrow today, when things are good, because they wont always be that way. and finally when the line between giving and receiving blur.. that's when there is trouble.
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        • Profile picture of the author shadow92
          I've spilled my guts on this before and given some insight on why this does not work without large capital. So I won't bore the audience again.

          I will leave it at this....

          When you're making $30k/mo come back here and report it. I assure you your post will resemble one of mine a while back. There is so much many of you folks don't understand, that can only be understood by someone making $30k/mo.

          You don't even have the slightest clue on what $30k/mo looks like in work load. Especially with this model. You'd need an entire team to even handle the work that's coming for you. Which means you will need an office, insurance, utilities, an attorney, an accountant.

          You haven't a clue. Which is ok...if you get there one day you'll know what I'm talking about. Until then...you're going to need to keep the attitude you're showing in this thread to succeed lol.

          Cheers bud, good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author harro1
    Don't listen to all the negative comments here, most of these people(not all) who post negative stuff are the ones who never take action and just make pure speculations without any first hand experience. Just keep doing what you are doing as long as its working for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author tbtownsend
    Perhaps, Local libraries or other public places would give you access to local businesses. This may be undermining others but you could offer your services for free on freelancing websites as well. Just a couple thoughts
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      It hasn't been negative; it's been realistic.

      As someone who's gotten $36,000+ in revenues a month (though in another industry), I can tell you that of that almost $37k, a tad over $19k went to the 7 people who actually produced the results my company was hired to produce; almost 2k went to a receptionist/assistant; I also had office rent, phone, paper, ink, printers, computers, phones, paper clips, pens, etc. to pay for. And there were licenses and insurance.

      When everything was said and done, I got between 9k and 11k as my salary and profit.

      Originally Posted by tbtownsend View Post

      Perhaps, Local libraries or other public places would give you access to local businesses. This may be undermining others but you could offer your services for free on freelancing websites as well. Just a couple thoughts
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground
    It's always the people who know what they are on about that get called out on this place, lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author CharlieWinifred
    You must get yourself active on LinkedIn. It is one of the most popular social network where you can easily find business owners. Make a business page there and promote it. Join relevant communities and involve in proper discussion. Then you can get your targeted business owners.
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