With all the big-name competition, how are web developers making money?

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I developed my own website... Learned CSS, HTML, a bit of Javascript and how to create Wordpress child themes in about 2 months.

Of course, with "drag and drop" services all over the web, you really don't even have to know coding at all.

One of the reasons I never tried to sell web dev services is because I always figured "this is so damn easy these days, why would anyone pay someone else to do it?"

Am I looking at this all wrong? How are you all making money in web design when it's so easy to make a website these days?

Web.com, wix.com, weebly.com, wordpress.com, "drag and drop" services -- how are you individual web designers competing with all these services? Many of them will even design a website for free.

Web design isn't my specialty... I don't plan to get into the biz -- just being nosy... Any insights?
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  • Profile picture of the author TheProductReviewGuy
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    Personally all my clients want a personal touch with their service. Sure they can make a website with a drag and drop but they want to be in control over what is put on the site in the hands of an experienced web developer. If they do it themselves, they are limited to what they can do because of lack of experience. When in the hands of an experienced web developer, the doors to creativity are wide open.

    Also, I always add added value to my services. Instead of just creating a site for them, I offer 15 high quality articles for their site, a Facebook business page with 10,000 likes and a video that's worth $197 on its own. You might be thinking that it's crazy offering all these incentives but the thing is I charge premium services meaning a simple website would cost them around £999.

    This covers the cost of the Facebook likes, high quality articles and video.
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    • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
      Well buying fake facebook likes is really not a good idea IMHO


      but yes upselling the services is a way


      Look for posts by some people who are actually doing well with selling websites


      There are still many local biz that don't have a website or have a really bad one - often on wix or whatever. You can do searches and find horrible sites or biz with no site


      You might want to start local - cold calling, walking in the door....also network network network


      Sell the sizzle not the steak - small biz owners don't care about technical, they want to know "what's in it for me?"...more customers, clients, patients, sales whatever
      IMHO avoid the overused "SEO" term and emphasize how your services will increase his bottom line
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    You're looking at it wrong. You're not looking at websites as a tool that can be used to produce leads.

    Create websites that convert visitors into callers / emailer and you're in a whole different category than Wix and the others.

    Not saying Wix and the others don't have themselves a sweet deal. Just that there are business owners out there who want and can afford a website that pre-sells, helps with marketing.

    Originally Posted by splitTest View Post

    I developed my own website... Learned CSS, HTML, a bit of Javascript and how to create Wordpress child themes in about 2 months.

    Of course, with "drag and drop" services all over the web, you really don't even have to know coding at all.

    One of the reasons I never tried to sell web dev services is because I always figured "this is so damn easy these days, why would anyone pay someone else to do it?"

    Am I looking at this all wrong? How are you all making money in web design when it's so easy to make a website these days?

    Web.com, wix.com, weebly.com, wordpress.com, "drag and drop" services -- how are you individual web designers competing with all these services? Many of them will even design a website for free.

    Web design isn't my specialty... I don't plan to get into the biz -- just being nosy... Any insights?
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    • Profile picture of the author digichik
      Originally Posted by DABK View Post

      You're looking at it wrong. You're not looking at websites as a tool that can be used to produce leads.

      Create websites that convert visitors into callers / emailer and you're in a whole different category than Wix and the others.

      Not saying Wix and the others don't have themselves a sweet deal. Just that there are business owners out there who want and can afford a website that pre-sells, helps with marketing.
      This is so true. A pretty website means nothing if no one sees it. The business owner, who does it themselves, will need to know how to build in on-site SEO. How to phrase calls to action. Where is the best place to put forms. How to write copy with keywords for ranking, etc., etc., etc.

      There is so much more to it than just a website. Once you understand this, you will be able to sell web development services for thousands of dollars.
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    Originally Posted by splitTest View Post

    I developed my own website... Learned CSS, HTML, a bit of Javascript and how to create Wordpress child themes in about 2 months.

    Am I looking at this all wrong? How are you all making money in web design when it's so easy to make a website these days?
    If you look at what you have stated in your post.. I made my own and the learning curve took about 2 months.... how can you make money if it is so easy?

    In my book.. easy and 2 months are worlds apart. and THAT is how I make money.
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  • Profile picture of the author animal44
    Have you seen the guys selling Aztec Sea Salt for $50 per pound? Our local supermarket sells salt for $0.26c (actually £0.29 for 750 grams). Why would anyone pay over 9,000% more for a commodity like salt? Same reason we used to sell websites for an average of £50,000 ($75,000)... :-) It's all to do with perceived value...
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  • Profile picture of the author CharlieWinifred
    I think you should concern with those guys who are actually doing this. It seems you are new in development field and you don't have much idea to do it so. You should do some research and take suggestions from experts who do freelance jobs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Leadsupply
    Competition for web dev can be harder now with every one and their dog seeming to get into the game (not even mentioning SEO companies). The good news is that there is still alot of work to be had by all. Or most companies anyway. there are a few things that you need to compete against the bigger companies.

    1: you need to have the chops to pull off the job

    2: your prices need to be competitive with the market, if your prices are higher (which is fine) you need to help your end client understand the value of the "why" your product/designs are so great.

    3: you need to have a lead system in place, or word of mouth ect ect

    the third step is probably one of the hardest ones out there, I work for a company that provides leads to web designers, I say this because I forgot to mention one of the most important steps. you need to be able to SELL. One of the advantages of being a "smaller" operation is that you can give your clients a personal feel as in they feel they are taken care of and not just another number from one of the other bigger agencies. Being able to sell and sell well is what will help you survive. I see smaller operations out sell and earn more than some of the bigger agencies out there, it does happen but it all starts with what makes your design company different than a equally priced company or a large agency.

    I hope this help
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  • Profile picture of the author RealCasher
    Don't be discouraged by big names and competition, I have got a small html5 website sale (~$400 worth) from emailing business owners, with no portfolio, no experience..

    Just take action and you will get your slice from the cake.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Other angles:

    It's best to own the website so you're not hostage to the whims of the big website company.
    Just like not being dependent upon only Google for your traffic.

    Some of those sites are not SEO friendly.

    Some, or a lot, of business owners are not at all web and email savvy, so they would rather
    spend their time at what they do best. And, with a good provider the website gets built properly,
    faster. The traffic comes faster. The conversion rate issues are resolved faster. Their web presence
    helps them make money faster.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Rillo
    My last customer had a website done with wix and knew about me because I did a great job while developing a website of one of his friends.
    Basically he needed more customers and wanted to rank high on Google with particular keywords so he would receive more lead calls.
    Try to do it on your own with wix. Good luck :p . I took about 2 years to understand some "basic" things about S.E.O and web design.
    What I am trying to say is that all these crappy free website builders are complete useless crap because they are invisible to the search engines, you often can't edit them properly and you have no one that will help you setup a good advertising campaign (if necessary).
    During the January I got like 5 customers and made about 4300$, all made with web design and advertising management. (Even if the "free websites" spots are pumping all over the TV )
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  • Profile picture of the author drschool
    Just because its easy to do doesn't mean that everyone knows how to, or wants to do it. I get more business for managing social media, SEO and PPC campaigns, but I still get some business for website development (and I never changer under $1000). It doesn't hurt to add it to the list of services you offer.
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    • Profile picture of the author animal44
      Here's a basic description of how a non web designer (me :-)) used to make an average £50k ($75k) per website. I don't do this any more because I found an easier way of earning loadsa money. :-)

      Skills Needed:
      1. Wordpress Install - If you're a web developer, one hopes you'd already know how to do this. Otherwise a 10 sec job on cpanel or hire someone from fiver.
      2. Direct Response Copywriting. You don't need to be a Dan Kennedy or John Carlton, you just need to be better than the average small business owner - not hard! :-)
      3. SEO - Usually only on page required for local ranking, however some targeted links can bring in extra traffic.
      4. The ability to talk to small business owners. I'm very shy and find this hard, however I've been self employed for 35+ years, so it can't be too difficult, can it? :-)

      Method:
      1. Pick a business/niche to specialise, a higher Lifetime Customer Value (LCV) is preferred, but you can still make a good amount with almost any niche that's making money. It'll be easier to make your initial sale if you choose one that you already have a relationship with, i.e. already buy from, friend of, or you have a personal interest in.
      2. Examine and profile the ideal customer. Normally there will be more than one, so choose one to focus on. e.g. Hairdressers might cut hair for teenagers, pensioners, men, women, those of indeterminate gender... :-) So choose one to focus on.
      3. Build your website as client focused, problem/solution. Most small business sites are product focused. By focusing on customer problems, you'll get far more attention. Your Direct Response copywriting knowledge is required here.
      4. Optionally build in email marketing with autoresponder messages. This can be added later, but if you do this in advance, then your also giving the business owner a list of hot prospects. You might also make some sideline money with relevant affiliate or JV offers.
      5. In the sales pitch, take the client through current cost of acquisition and LCV. You're setting them up to show the value. Then you ask the question "How much is a steady stream of x customers worth to you?". Show them your stats/analytics to prove x. The customer will pretty much sell themselves. If still resistant, offer a 30 day free trial. When we've trialled a website, no one has ever handed it back! :-)

      Sites can be sold outright or "rented". We've found that most business people will recognise that a large one off payment that continues to work for them, is better than continuous advertising fees. So it's often easier to sell the site outright than rent it. You can always upsell support and other services.

      Once you've done this once, build another in same niche but different town/city. Or choose another niche, though you'll have to re-do the ideal customer research.

      The average local business gets maybe half a dozen enquires via his website per month. You give him a site that increases those enquiries by ten fold he's going to want that site even if he already has one. Many business owners mortgage their home for 25-30 years to open their business, so a 100% return within, say, one year is very attractive. You just need to show this.

      Can I guarantee you'll make an average £50,000 per site? Absolutely not! I've explained how to do this to maybe a dozen web designers and most are still selling at £250. Ultimately it will depend on you and your willingness to actually go out there and ask for the money. Most people won't because they're too scared. You'll have to get over this if you want to make more money and have anything but a job disguised as a business.
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