Hiring an expert so you can tell them what to do. Are you guilty? been the expert?

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Reality is funny isn't it?

Logically we know that we hire experts so they can tell us what to do
but
in fact what happens more often than not in marketing
is companies hire experts and then try to tell them what to do.
Then they wonder why the desired result was not achieved
and of course blame the expert.

I have turned down work then watched companies go from expert to expert until they found one that would take the work of being told what to do.

The cause?
Generally the client has a bit of knowledge in one area.
They are convinced for example that if Facebook was done properly
they would achieve larger business goals.
You can substitute Facebook for any other narrowly focused marketing initiative.
The point is they are convinced that if proper expertise was applied to
one area their larger goal would be achieved.

Often they have even tried to handle the narrow initiative themselves and rather than accept a more comprehensive plan is needed, they simply decide we just need someone better at that one thing.

When they consult with an expert that has broad knowledge and he/she does
not tell them what they want to hear, they often try to find someone that agrees
with their view. Sadly they generally have no problem finding someone to take their
money with the full knowledge that the greater goal will absolutely not be achieved.

How often have you been brought in to such situations?
How do you choose to handle it?

Do you take their money and let them try and fail at their narrowly focused initiative?
Then tell them I told you so and get them on board for something bigger?
Do you gently educate them to the bigger picture?
If they don't want to take your recommendations do you pass on the work?

Personally I educate first, pass on the work if they don't get it today and keep in touch over time because I know that they are on a journey and at some point in the future their knowledge and mindset might finally become a good fit.

It is unfortunate that they may have to go out and suffer through many failed initiatives before they get it, but that's pretty much how life works.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    I pass on the project, if it can be identified in the discovery phase. If they don't have a Need for me and my unique point of view, then it's not a fit.

    That being said, there have been times when a client has wanted to involve their girlfriend or their mother or their dog in the process. The results have never been good. Typically, they want to water down a message so it doesn't "offend" anybody...and so they don't attract anybody, either.

    At that point I'll do the "I told ya so" thing and get them back on track. But it's a time delay, and maybe having to ask for more money to continue can cause friction. Fortunately this is pretty rare.

    I worked with a trainer years back who said if a client has a bunch of choices, let them pick which one to move ahead with. "Hmm. All those are good ideas. Which one do you want to act on first?" Then you're off the hook of responsibility. They chose.

    As long as each element really is good for the client, then this is OK from that point of view.

    I don't agree with the whole idea, though. What if the one they choose is the option with the longest implementation and payback? And then they start complaining it's not happening fast enough? "Well, you chose it" isn't going to win any arguments.

    I say what the plan is and I stand behind it. And that can and does lead to saying "No thanks" to work.

    Not a position newbies feel they are in or capable of doing, though. "I just want to make some money!"
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    • Profile picture of the author Peter Lessard
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post


      I say what the plan is and I stand behind it. And that can and does lead to saying "No thanks" to work.

      Not a position newbies feel they are in or capable of doing, though. "I just want to make some money!"
      I am curious Jason. Did it take you time to adopt or have the confidence to just say screw it, if you won't follow my lead I am not taking the work? Or do you feel it is something that has always been part of your core personality?

      For me personally in pretty much anything I have done, if I felt competent at what I was doing I was not easily swayed by others.

      Now if I am responsible for implementation of a solution and other providers are involved I do not do the deal unless the owner/person in charge is willing to back me as having authority to direct those suppliers. This generally takes the form of me being the companies official Virtual Marketing Director and the suppliers receiving a call or email from the owner informing them that I now direct their efforts.

      I actually believe that great team players make HORRIBLE team leaders!

      There is a big difference between being able to inspire, motivate and have people follow you than there is allowing the direction of a project to be decided by a democracy with everyone from management to the secretary needing to be on board.

      The best team leaders that I followed in my corporate career into brutal marketing/technology battles were always VERY alpha assertive folks. Yes they took recommendations but in the end they were not shy about saying "this is not a democracy, it's my decision".

      The biggest flops I have seen where when managers that were huge team players and thought it was a democracy were promoted from internal management/customer service positions to front line sales/marketing. It was like lambs to slaughter.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
        Originally Posted by Peter Lessard View Post

        I am curious Jason. Did it take you time to adopt or have the confidence to just say screw it, if you won't follow my lead I am not taking the work? Or do you feel it is something that has always been part of your core personality?

        For me personally in pretty much anything I have done, if I felt competent at what I was doing I was not easily swayed by others.
        From my sales training, I look for those three elements of Fit. Need, Budget and Personality. If one or more is missing, it's not a fit.

        It took me about a year of working with Fit to really "get it". You don't just do this stuff; you live it. One day I woke up and realized it had become a natural response.

        "But you don't really mean you won't work with someone; that's just what you say, right?" newbie salespeople ask. No, I really mean it. And that's also an indicator to me that this person has not had their very own Client From Hell yet.

        Once you've had that client, you never want to deal with anyone remotely like them again.

        That's all the motivation needed to be careful who you let into your business.
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      • Profile picture of the author digichik
        Originally Posted by Peter Lessard View Post

        The best team leaders that I followed in my corporate career into brutal marketing/technology battles were always VERY alpha assertive folks. Yes they took recommendations but in the end they were not shy about saying "this is not a democracy, it's my decision".

        The biggest flops I have seen where when managers that were huge team players and thought it was a democracy were promoted from internal management/customer service positions to front line sales/marketing. It was like lambs to slaughter.
        This is so true.

        I am the benevolent dictator. Like you, I am willing to take responsibility, if I have complete control. Otherwise, it is not a fit.

        I have had a few of those clients from hell, and refuse to work with any more. My peace of mind and sanity are priceless.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
    I had an initial consultation with a pizza shop who was all about Facebook "likes." Oh, we got 300 "likes!" I was like, well, how much is each "like" worth? They're like.... "I dunno."


    They also spend $4,000 on a phone app before they even had a single customer.


    I followed up with them and, like you said, they kept jumping around to the person who was all about online and "branding."


    I still drive by their little shop and rarely ever see a car in the lot... and this is during lunch/dinner. Heck, I've even seen it where there were ZERO cars in their parking lot... not even an employees and I thought there were closed, but as soon as I passed I saw their little open sign on.


    Not sure how they're still in business.
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    • Profile picture of the author eccj
      Originally Posted by AmericanMuscleTA View Post

      I had an initial consultation with a pizza shop who was all about Facebook "likes." Oh, we got 300 "likes!" I was like, well, how much is each "like" worth? They're like.... "I dunno."


      They also spend $4,000 on a phone app before they even had a single customer.


      I followed up with them and, like you said, they kept jumping around to the person who was all about online and "branding."


      I still drive by their little shop and rarely ever see a car in the lot... and this is during lunch/dinner. Heck, I've even seen it where there were ZERO cars in their parking lot... not even an employees and I thought there were closed, but as soon as I passed I saw their little open sign on.


      Not sure how they're still in business.
      First thing that came to mind......mob money.
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      • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
        Originally Posted by eccj View Post

        First thing that came to mind......mob money.

        hahahaha!!!

        It's quite possible. They were both retired teachers (I remember hearing from... I believe it was DK, never to work with teachers... he was right).
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Originally Posted by Peter Lessard View Post

    When they consult with an expert that has broad knowledge and he/she does not tell them what they want to hear, they often try to find someone that agrees with their view. Sadly they generally have no problem finding someone to take their
    money with the full knowledge that the greater goal will absolutely not be achieved.
    I ran into this situation frequently when I worked as a network engineer.

    The salespeople would freak out when I would not do things the way the client wanted. They got even crazier when the clients left.

    I'd just confidently tell them, "They'll be back."

    All of the clients we wanted back, came back.

    It might have been two years later, but once they came back they turned into some of our best clients. They finally figured out something very simple. I was giving them the best advice I could EVEN IF they did not like it.

    There were a few clients I fired, also...to the screams of the salespeople. I refused to return to clients that were rude, cursed, and were constantly negative.

    Life is so much better when you work with clients you enjoy.
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