How do you get jacked up?

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How do you guys get jacked up in order to smash some cold calling, talk to strangers, walk into an office and so on...? How do you motivate yourself to push and go on fire?
#offline marketing #jacked
  • It's not necessary to get "jacked up."

    Do you have value to share?

    Do you realize it's not for everyone, and that you are not going to have to shove it into every single person's face?

    I can tell you don't have a consistent sales process.

    I can also tell you don't know anything about qualifying.

    Search around in this subforum and you'll learn a lot.

    Right now your mindset is something like: "I have to roar out there and beat them bushes and MAKE those customers buy from me!"

    That is not the mentality of a competent salesperson.

    Sure, there are some with that mentality. They've only been shown one style of selling, the worst, and think that's all there is.

    You need to redefine what "rejection" means to you. Rejection is when your girlfriend or someone who knows you well says they don't want to see you anymore. Having a prospect say they don't want to talk right now, or this isn't for them...that's not rejection. That's a "Not Right Now.":

    Frankly, if you need "motivation," whatever you're thinking about probably isn't big enough for you.

    In my case, selling low ticket items just doesn't do it for me. It's not even the payoff--the scope alone simply doesn't excite me. "Wow, let's talk about solving a $2000 problem." Big Freakin' Deal.

    But put me in front of a $200,000 problem...now I'm excited. I can make $10K easy fixing that and now we're into my interest level.

    Just showing how there are different factors to "motivation." It may have nothing to do with the fear of knocking on doors. It might be you not being excited about the game you're playing. Only you can tell--but at least you know to look, now.
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  • Jacked up is for people selling junk and doing so in a bad way that pissed people off. The character that people are talking about when you hear people moan about getting 'another bloody telemarketer' just calling them.

    Drive. That's different. You can get it from things Jason spoke about, things that excite and challenge you.


    Or like in my case where I know every business would benefit from what I offer in some way and that what I offer is better than most things out there. Stuff you believe in, and not in a deluded sense but for because you know it's good, removes any need to have to 'motivate' yourself to sell it. It's a drive that's there regardless of how you feel.

    You want as many people to know about it as possible.

    Creating great products and services that are truly unique in a market and is far better than most things currently on offer, or setting sites on big league stuff, are things most people never do.

    They don't take the time or have the professionalism to learn real skills and study their market place and think strategically.

    That's why most are still using the most primitive, brute force cold-calling techniques and having to make 1000's of calls and weeks of time to generate very poor results that aren't building wealth for them.
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  • By taking the completely opposite mindset of being "jacked up". By not caring for one second whether or not I need this person's business because my pipeline is full of people already, my calendar has too many freaking items in it to be concerned with adding another one, but I'll squeeze one more in if really needed.

    As Jason mentioned, this mindset is not the only way to approach sales, nor is it the "best" or most successful. It's my preferred way to frame myself and the conversation I might have with a prospect.
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    • thanks james, i agree with you guys in here that i need to learn a lot, but there's a lot to learn and it'll take ages to become a closer. see my pipeline is empty that's why i'm desperate to fill it up, but how can you fill it up without calling and approaching strangers? i mean you guys do that but my empty pipeline is downing my self-esteem and it's like a vicious circle.
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  • Contrary to what some of the lower producing phone salesman here say i think its absolutely important to get pumped up before you hit the phone. you want to make the prospect on the other end fell your energy otherwise your just another boring salesperson calling them. I personal pound double shot espressos all day and i feel pretty pumped and im extremely competitive with my cold calling department. but i dont know what gets you pumped so i couldn't help you.
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    • Still trying to position yourself as an expert? Super producer?
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    • How do you know they're lower producing phone salesmen?

      By the way, 'some of the' requires the noun to be plural.

      By the way, there's a lot of space between 'jacked up' and 'boring.'

    • That would come across just great if you are selling pre-paid funerals wouldn't it?

      If I sound all jacked up on the phone before there is a reason to be jacked up, I come off like a slick talking shyster. No thank-you

      Seb

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  • how do you define expert? and what do you consider a super producer?
  • Did anyone make 2100+ calls last week? How many sales closed? I actually don't know 100% that their lower producing however I can get a sense of experience through the advice they give.

    Thanks for the grammar check


    Yes theirs a lot of space in between. Let me ask you this, do you want to sound half way between jacked up and boring on the phone? Is that how you want to come off? Or do you just want to sound jacked up. I'm all for giving it all or nothing I don't like to be in the space in between. The "lower producing phone salesman" are the ones in between.
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    • So making a call a minute for a solid 35 hours per week?

      You sure about that?

      Do you make that number of calls?
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    • You certainly know how to generalize and draw conclusions based on nothing.

      I get a lot of calls from people who are jacked up. All of them, without fail, annoy me: they have not done their homework, they're just jacked up.

      I want to talk to normal people who act normal. I don't want to talk to someone who's bored about the product their selling, but they don't have to be jacked up, either.

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  • SalesGod, here's a tip for you mate: if you want to bullshit people, go to another section of the forum. You won't be able to pull the wool over the eyes of people on this section.

    You'll only dig yourself a hole you can't get out of.
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    • There are phone sales where getting "Jacked up" is pretty much a pre-requisite to selling.

      Are you in a busy phone room?
      Are you cold calling people, who have shown no interest in your offer, before you called?
      Are you going for a one call close?
      Is your offer constructed so that enthusiasm is going to be an important part of the sales presentation?

      Are you selling something that requires belief on the part of the buyer? Belief not supported by facts, but by enthusiasm?

      Is your offer counter-intuitive? In other words, are you fighting with prospects to get the sale?


      Jordon Belfort had reps that made serious money. They had to be "jacked up" to make the hundreds of calls a day they needed to make. This kind of artificial enthusiasm is needed, if your offer isn't strong, or if your value building isn't strong. And forced enthusiasm isn't needed with offers that appeal to the rational mind. Over the top enthusiasm can only fan the flames of emotional need; greed, fear, anger......

      With Belfort, it was greed.
      Political callers rely on fear and anger.
      Fire alarm sales prospectors rely on fear. (I don't mean that as a bad thing, but it's an emotional sale)

      I receive maybe 15-20 calls a day from reps that are cold calling. An over enthusiastic voice is the biggest trigger to my hanging up on them. If selling your product requires you to be "jacked up" to sell it.....it isn't something I want.


      One of the best recent cold calls I've had, was a guy that coughed for a few seconds, before he started talking. It completely took me off guard.
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    • thanks for the tip mate. also if you dont mind me asking, how many sales calls have you made today?
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  • no one has to follow any advice i say. as a matter a fact i dont want people to follow it because it just creates more competition for me. I love that theirs not many good phone salesman. My advice is more directed towards newbies. I simply give the same tips i give my room of callers everyday. by making 1000s of calls a day Theirs alot to be learned about what absolutely works and what doesn't.
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  • I feel like one of my posts spurred this thread so I feel the need to weigh in.

    Can you imagine these guys not being 100% jacked-up going into the game?



    Or these guys saying it is bad to get jacked up???

    https://youtu.be/8NCUcFRkXeM?t=4s

    I'm not sure the OP was talking about being "jacked up" while talking to prospects.



    I'm sure we all agree that screaming into the phone would not work so well! I'm not in a business where I get the client fired up. Enthusiasm is always near zero.

    But is it essential to be jacked up on your opportunity? Hell yes!

    What - are we supposed to get up the morning all professional and saunter over to our office and play it cool over our cheerio's and coffee????

    There has been a distinct shift in my life and the lives of the people around me since I decided to go in 100% and get "jacked up" about what I am trying to accomplish.

    I don't work in a library. I don't try to be Mr. Professional. I'm going for the freaking GOLD.

    I am winning at life.

    I have found the volume knob and I keep it twisted all the way to 11.

    I don't want to make $250k and stay on the treadmill. I'm busting out. My people are busting out.

    Over the past few years I have evolved into an obsessed maniac and I am better for it.

    Before - I was just being 50% "me" - I still had this charade I was putting on and acting how I thought I should act. That's garbage.

    We need to be so in touch with who we really are and let that energy shine out into everything we do. Look deep inside and ask what happened to the animal you used to be!!

    If we aren't as RICH (not just money) as we want in our wildest dreams - WE ARE HOLDING BACK. DON'T HOLD YOURSELF BACK.

    Look at yourself in the mirror and yell "I have potential damn it!!!!"

    We spend our whole lives learning how to hold back. How to be mature. How to be accepted. It's garbage.

    Here I am at 40 years old finally reconnecting with the BEAST I was at 12 before it was snuffed out. I could do ANYTHING then - and I finally know that I can do ANYTHING now.

    There is a gift you have deep in your soul that you have smothered and forgotten about.

    It is the core of who you really are.

    Unlimited Ambition. Desire. The will to power. Aggression. An unstoppable force that creates your unhappiness as long as you keep it hidden.

    These feelings aren't a problem - THEY ARE A GIFT!!!

    All wars and serious conflicts in business are won by the people who MOST ENJOY FIGHTING THEM.

    So yeah I stay jacked. I love the fight. You gotta be jacked to perform at your highest level.

    You can't just calmly go through your day, and still achieve as much as is really possible. You can't win the Super Bowl by walking down the field.

    "The zone" is a magical place. It is a place where mothers lift cars off babies. It is a place where exhausted people sprint for their lives. It is a place where VICTORY is sure.

    To live in "the zone" is to REALLY LIVE. What are you made for? You think Alexander the Great was just a relaxed dude? He conquered the known world at age 16. I guarantee you he was a BEAST of motivation, determination, and drive.

    digimars - you have ZERO in the pipeline. You are dying. You are on the edge of LOSING IT ALL and FAILING yourself AGAIN.

    Get up right now and look in the mirror. Ask yourself if you are really willing to do this. Are you REALLY willing to be the one in your family who really makes it?

    Are you REALLY willing to be able to help all the people you need to help?

    Right now you are a traitor. You are committing TREASON on yourself and your family.

    Stop dreaming. Get so jacked that you can't stand it anymore.

    You are the mother and a car just ran over your child and is crushing it. You gotta get in the freakin zone and move that weight or your dreams are going to die.

    This isn't some motivational mumbo jumbo. You can live this way. DOMINATE YOURSELF.

    It takes discipline to succeed. It takes energy. It takes uncommon persistence.

    1 - Do you know EXACTLY what to sell? If not - find someone who is selling something and go to work in their sales department. Push harder than anyone else. Don't go to some bullshit employer either. ONLY THE BEST. Find the best company in your market and sell for them. Be a sponge and a stick of TNT all at the same time.

    2 - Do NOT leave that job until you are the #1 sales person in that company.

    3 - Once you are on your own baby it's sink or swim. Success or failure. It's the difference between waking up in your palace or in the gutter.

    Anyone can have an average life. ANYONE.

    Forget average. Get in touch with that inner drive. Shoot for THAT.

    Yeah - get jacked up. Keep your goals in front of you. Never slow down and never quit.

    Once you choose a particular goal - never back down. When it seems impossible - PUSH HARDER. Get "in the zone" everyday until your office can no longer contain you.

    Be the one who makes it. It's worth it.
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    • Dan, haven't seen you around these parts in quite sometime. I have some of your older posts on my hard drive. Very motivating.

      I see you changed your name?
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    • This is a great post. I understand every word and so would everyone else who understands that level of uncommon dedication.

      I believe that state is an inherent internal drive that some people have in their field. It's so alien to many other people, that I don't think they can artificially 'jack themselves up' to that level if there isn't a real deep driver in their make up that is just as intense you described.

      I believed it was normal for a time, but I've come to realize it isn't. I've been shocked at how little ambition or burning desire people in general have to do the best they possibly can and achieve the most they can.


      In fact most of my time on forums is spent having to debate against people who think I'm completely wrong having that level of drive, when I assume everyone wants that level of success.


      I think a person has to be willing to make the decision to do what it takes, for however long, to achieve something over a prolonged period before it becomes a do or die thing where there is absolutely no going back for it to really become all consuming like you describe.


      I don't think anyone who isn't willing to do that can reach that level just from a few motivational rituals they have that gets them fired up for a brief moment. That's me personally.
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  • Most people do want that Easy Button.

    Committing to your own business is a crazy decision but on the other hand it's also the most sensible one: you're betting entirely on yourself.

    Tells you how most people feel about themselves, doesn't it.

    Yeah, the willingness to get punched in the face for two years (or more) is what it takes, because you have so many false starts, bad ideas, bad executions (not that kind of execution!), and just plain unexpected interruptions...you have to learn how to sell, how to market, how your audience wants to be approached, spoken with, served...none of this stuff is out there with a bow around it.

    You have to go learn it for yourself, as an individual. There are so many roads to success. Many people think there's only one, the one their parents told them about, or the one they see on TV. There are many and your road is your road, no one else's.

    Alone-ness is definitely a price the truly committed entrepreneur has to pay.

    One of the most popular posts on my blog is about Megatron--1980s Transformers Megatron, not Michael Bay Megatron. It's not about his leadership style. It's about the commitment. The fact that he can't take a day off. That it's a lifetime role, and he can't say "Today, I don't feel like it." That's how entrepreneurship feels to me.
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    • A really quality post.

      While I agree with Dan's sentiments he expressed in another post where he'd previously take exception to someone saying he had some special talent or something others didn't have, in that you don't have to be a cut above people and have some extraordinary talent to take the journey, I believe it's more about having an absence of certain things that will determine whether someone is successful or not.


      The main one are the ones behind the easy button: laziness and just general lack of integrity and lack of work ethic. Doing the bare minimum a person things they need to do to get a result (and failing because of that), instead of doing everything in their power to really go all out and produce quality.

      If these things were absent in people, and they were just dumb/smart enough to see clearly on this issue, I'm sure many more would have actually got somewhere.

      I'm a bit more cynical than others. I hold those people I see still, 5-6 years in the game, chasing biz opps that make them the same deceitful claims about this latest opportunity requiring little work for lots of gain and reward and producing garbage output as a result, in utter contempt.

      There needs to be an absence of self-delusion and self-deception in people, where they wake up and realize it's time to get real and get on with things or simply come clean and admit to themselves they are here just for the buzz they get reading copy and watching presentations that promise them they are a couple of easy steps away from major, jet-set lifestyle success, and momentarily fantasising about that.

      In other words, get ******* real or don't bother.

      Getting jacked up is essential. But if your a slob who never leaves the couch and wants to step in to the ring with a professional boxer tomorrow, then no matter how pumped up you get listening to the Eye of the Tiger and doing some pushs ups and sits ups and dreaming of landing a knock-out punch, it's pointless if you have done the 1001 other things needed to have a chance to be able to achieve your dream.

      OP, I do hope you've got some good learning from this thread.


      There is one book, I think every entrepreneur, saleman or business person should read. The 10x rule by Grant Cardone.

      That is one book that is just the truth of the matter about what's required to be successful. Every time I listen to it there are new profound insights.

      It's about being constantly 'jacked' if you like, and putting in 10 times the effort, 10x the ambition and 10x the thought into everything and why that is essential.


      I believe that book would do more to rid people of the self-delusions, self-deceptions and ruinous thought and behavior patterns that stop them even getting on the path in the first place than nearly any other.
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    • thanks jason, awesome as always

      i used to work in an office, would never bloody go back to 9 to 6, or perhaps 8am to 9pm...and then there's the bamboo story...not working for yourself means you water someone else's bamboo plant
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  • i am trying hard to turn it around, all this knowledge here is overwhelming and is quite tough to implement, well change always is

    i first wanted to establish a routine as was going to bed very late waking up half day gone, so just teach my body to wake up early, go to sleep early have a breakfast and quick intense workout after the breakfast, hell I still struggle after a couple of weeks

    then there's the old routine of working from home or sometimes from a library, not meeting a soul for days, not speaking with anyone really, meeting with a client then is like a breath of fresh air and you feel the world is yours again. i think i need to find my peers, some sort of boiler room where people cold call like crazy and you will be too, saw some shared offices but it was quiet again, so not sure

    the pain of staying the same has not yet topped the pain of change but i'm very close, demoralized, staying in your room in a flat share, but staying the course too. mindset and environment huge factors

    i dont have no family or friends around as im new in the city, which might be not so bad after all sometimes as my parents are those 'get a good gob' folks. i will never quit, there's only this little leap of faith when i get rid of the barrier of procrastination and finally become HUSTLER.

    Hustle mode ON.
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    • Sounds like you're having trouble developing the discipline necessary to take 100% responsibility for yourself. Join the military, my friend. You'll meet new people. Won't feel lonely anymore.

      They'll be happy to help you turn your life around!
  • It's a nightmare getting into the real business world via the WF. I don't know how in-depth your knowledge is but if you're first and main source of info is this place and you're pretty new, that agonizing cycle you spoke about is going to last many more years. Due to a few reasons.


    1) This isn't a business forum, although there are serious and knowledgeable business people here and there. It's a biz-opp forum, selling mostly info-products based on shamelessly dishonest premises and promises that do very little to teach you about running and operating a real business, unless your fortunate enough to find the ''needle in a haystack'' courses and avoid the overwhelming amount of theorized junk.

    2) The WF concept of what ''Offline Marketing'' is, was started by a sociopathic conman who fleeced a lot of people years ago, on a thread where the main premise was that of there being an easy fortune to be made of a virtually guaranteed $25,000-$30,000 a month for a few hours a week helping non-internet savvy businesses do the most basic of online marketing tasks. No real knowledge or skills were needed, apart from some rudimentary marketing skills.

    3) There are hardly any innovators or visionaries here who are real entrepreneurs. Most are just following the herd still trying to make some good money from the WF idea of ''Offline Marketing'', and their advice is generally pretty bad to follow, because they are still basing their operations and strategies on that outdated and false idea of what Offline Marketing is, when their real competitors out there are far, far ahead of them and make them look completely amateur.


    4) Many of these people are out there all using the same lame tactics and pissing people right off with their scammy, ill-thought out, unsophisticated approaches and tactics.


    The fact is, there isn't much you can do today that doesn't require being a complete professional, because the real-world companies in this space are far more advanced in this online market arena then some guy who bought a WSO with a ready made lead gen website and some PLR and who has no real skill and thinks all he needs to do is get on the phone and try to sell that lame generic service.


    You need real skills. You need to innovate or be different and stand out with a strong value proposition. A spam email or telemarketing call promising people a page 1 slot on Google is not a strong value proposition today.

    It doesn't matter what it is. If you want to be a true marketing consultant like Jason Kanigan or Ewenmack, it's going to take years to get the skills.

    If you want to outsource services, it's still going to take time and energy to hire and vet people and do all the fulfilment and learn all the skills to run a business.


    I'm back in the isolation spot and it is torture. I've been re-building my business so that once it's built I can hire career professionals to come in and run it. I don't have the want or the skills to take all those roles and be running the day to day thing, plus as time has gone on, the scope of my business has gone from small self-employed operation to being far, far bigger than that.

    I will oversee it and be very busy coordinating all that and having a lot of other people in my business will give it a totally new dynamic much greater than just me.

    But to achieve that, I've have to isolate myself for an uncomfortably long time. Take on loads of different roles. Learn loads of different skills. Build and systemize every process needed to be able to achieve my business goals so my business can grow fast and be run without me there, and their are positions with well-planned roles ready for people to step into.

    It's been hell tbh. If I was starting out, the best thing to pick in my eyes on this forum, that can really provide you with a service to offer that businesses want, and can be mastered in the shorted time, is the thread about lead-gen.

    You can learn how to set up the funnels and generate leads pretty quickly. You could then start on freelance sites offering the service and you'll start bring in cashflow, then you can get more professional and invest and grow.

    You're going to need to do that. But if you pick one thing and stick with that, you're not going to be an overnight success unless by pure fluke, but having that single-minded focus and relentless persistence based on something you know is proven to be able to create wealth for yourself and others you'll develop the discipline you need to put yourself on the right side of the equation, so you're more geared towards working with yourself rather than against.


    I think you can only be 100% on it when you have the beautiful wife, the mansion in Beverly Hills and all the rest of the things you've worked for.

    When you're slogging it out in isolation, there's going to be days where you just can't bring yourself to go all out, and you have to just ride those times out.

    Sorry about the long-post. My point is, pick a service that is every green and a winner and can offer you a chance to differentiate yourself (lead-gen, after you have a few customers and stats that will be unique, will give that because you get results and get them fast, which is what they want). And once you have that, don't deviate or chase any old thing that comes up because some WSO seller said it was the next best thing.

    There's no point getting geared up to cold call if you're selling something most people don't want or is something they're going to shop around for and see far better solutions for.

    When you have something you know is good and will sell, you won't be able to hold yourself back.
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    • This is truly, truly essential reading for anyone looking to go down the road of self-employment and be a success.

      If WF is your source of knowledge, inspiration, and direction - you are in serious trouble. I mean really DEEP shit is coming your way.

      I'm not saying this is a bad place. Not at all. But you need to be out there in it. If you aren't part of something that is already happening in the real world, the odds of you figuring it all out and being able to eat are near zero. This isn't the wild west anymore.

      In your position, with nothing coming in - PLEASE read my advice below again. Take it in. Seriously weigh it out.

      You will do much, much better for yourself if you get a job with a group of people who are succeeding. Otherwise, I bet $10 in two years you will still be struggling, hurting, and wondering why you can't get where you want to be.

      Everyone wants to be self-employed - but no one wants a boss. You have to be the strictest boss you have ever met in order to really make it. You will have to learn a level of discipline and sacrifice and work-ethic that a boss will never, ever expect from you.

      If you get a job with a successful company (this is important) - you will learn so much and you will be getting paid while you learn.

      If you are worried about having a jerk for a boss or being held to standards every day - then you truly are not where you need to be in order to win on your own.

      The simple way to avoid your boss being a jerk or being hit by standards - is to exceed the standards by such a wide margin that no one messes with you.

      If you can't do that - then you are not ready to be successful on your own.

      In order to make it, and do everything that is required of you - you will need to be very good at several important things.

      A few years back I was not happy when I saw this advice but seriously - get a job in sales with a successful company. Rise to the top. Then, with your pockets full, a great network of people in the industry, and a boat-load of experience - you can step out and make your dreams of freedom and independence a reality.

      If I had done this - today I would still be doing well, but it would have happened sooner. And sitting here today I would probably be another year further ahead of where I am now.

      You say you like Grant Cardone - then listen to all of what he is really saying. He gives the advice I gave above. Get a job. Learn to succeed at that job. Push harder than anyone else. Then, when that is going well and you are secure, start building your own business and add other streams of income.

      If you can't be the best in a job - you can't even play the game on your own.
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  • It is NOT easy.

    You do have to learn skills.

    I'm learning new skills all the time. And I came into this with a ton of real world experience and education.

    It's 4 years into this business and I'm restarting AGAIN. Repositioning. Figuring out who my target market would best be. What services to concentrate on.

    It's a never-ending journey. You think you've got it figured out, and then the market disappears or some huge tech thing changes and need for what you offer disappears, and you have to start over.

    So many false starts.

    Even when you're clear on what you're about, you still pick the wrong thing. Make mistakes. Put way too much time & energy into projects that seemed good but don't go anywhere.

    I can't imagine what it's like for newbies who don't have any power of execution. At least I know I can get things done pretty quickly, whatever it is, and if it's a loser I can fail fast and move on.

    Haters in their do-nothing world LOVE to pick on this. "Look, he's changing direction again!" Yeah, it's called 'pivoting'.

    If they actually did something, they would know how filled with landmines this journey is.

    The person who believes in themselves has no choice but to take it.
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  • When you don't have anything going and you don't know what to do, here is the best way out of it.

    1) Make a list every day of things you think you could be good at.
    2) After a week or two of this, pick the top 3.
    3) Pick your favorite.
    4) Start researching a list of companies who are doing that very thing and having success. If you can't find any - delete that from the list.
    5) Pick the top 5 companies who are doing the best work and having the most success. Drive by their offices. Call them. See how many people work there.
    6) Get a job in one of those companies (different list of steps - easy to find). Be so aggressive they can't ignore you. Tell them "Hire me. I will outwork everyone else and will not waste your time. I don't need babysitting."

    You WILL have a job at a top company if you work hard enough.

    Then, get in there and exceed every expectation and standard they set. Spend 3-5 years becoming the most valuable employee.

    People like us think "getting a job" is failure. Its a total lie! If Jason came in here and posted that he got a job at a top local sales organization I don't think anyone would criticize.

    You only have ONE career and you will spend your life working it. Jobs and businesses come and go. If you do it right, you will like what you do and end up financially free within a decade.
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    • A consulting client decided he wanted to get good at sales.

      He came to me the night before his job interview
      telling me he wanted to get into sales and at the biggest multi-media company
      in his country.

      So he nails the interview and gets the job.

      Now he hires me to help him in sales calls.

      The deal is he phones business prospects with the aim on one call to close them on a
      $500 or thereabouts subscription.

      In his second month he is the number one sales guy in his department.

      Today he tells me he personally sold what the goal was for 6 in the room.

      He's at a 100% closing rate on those who cancelled/didn't renew.
      Closing rate means he get's them to subscribe again.

      He's got in the pipeline a deal for 500 to 600 subscriptions from one buyer.
      The record has been 10.

      I point all this out to demonstrate he has the traits of a superstar salesperson.
      Traits that the company didn't recognize.
      Traits they don't hire for.
      Traits that they don't reward to keep a superstar sales person.

      It's very rare to find an organization, a person who recognizes
      the traits of a superstar before they become one.

      Where the sales training world goes is to lift up the performance of non-superstars,
      whereas the biggest gains are made by building a team of these superstars.

      I'm not seeing those superstar traits in the original poster,
      therefore recommending he get a job in sales will likely
      end up a bad experience for everyone involved.

      Hence the reason the high turnover of salespeople.

      Best,
      Doctor E. Vile
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    • @Underground

      Thank you for writing that soul baring post. I used to think you were a bit jacked on the critiques, pun intended. However, I'm humble enough to now see and can really appreciate your post today on a number of different higher ordered levels.

      You unpacked many issues WF members are often guilty of doing, myself included. Issues that if not addressed will lead to an emotional, spiritual and economic wasteland.

      Especially the tricks, tips and strategies that are often sold as a wso which by themselves are not harmful but marketed as a business is extremely detrimental.

      Case in point, to further lean into the point made about the 'real world' being and doing so much more sophisticated, next level methodologies that would run circles around someone peddling the latest wso to a real world business owner-- not your words just paraphrasing. You're absolutely right!

      I won't bash the WF because there are 1-2% who come here, soak up golden nuggets and actually apply them successfully.

      But for the rest, unless you actually have a real brick and mortar business you're looking to improve with more wins in your marketing column or are in a career and seek to go to the next level using a few well advertised forum tips or wso strategies, don't spend excessive time here until you've paid your dues in the real world.

      Do so at your own peril IF you have zero discipline.

      The world of business has changed, no longer accepts mediocrity and it demands the best for it's money. The fake and incompetent will be flushed out.
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  • About 18 minutes into this is the truth of what's it's going to take to be a success. I doubt many people on this place actually want to be a success anyway in the real sense. Just a few sales here and there seem to be people's goal for a comfortable little income for little work with a job, either that or fantasy revenue figures.

    But for those who want to commit, this Viking- hat-wearing Aussie's description is something worth listening to, and how you go beyond getting jacked up here and then and can push on even when you feel at your lowest:

    Thor Saleswarlord - Renegade Rockstar Roadshow On The Peter Montgomery Show. Episode #26 - YouTube
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    • Both him and his wife sent out an email to me with
      an offer.

      They both dared me to find as good as offer.

      I replied it was swiped from Frank Kern,
      so I called their bluff.

      I thought it was funny.

      Best,
      Doctor E. Vile
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  • Rather than getting jacked up,its better to stay Zen, and keep a steady vibe for the long haul. Just do it, and have a plan. Say your pitch over and over daily. Sometimes it will be awesome ,sometimes it wont be, but it all works out through consistency. Have a plan, Make it a means to an end, and get yourself in a non emotional mentality that says "I am going to do this like a machine consistently for 6 months day in and day out until I reach my goal. It's just what I do".Then do it, on good days, bad days,grumpy days, awesome days... If you can even make a fraction of the sales a boss would require from you, then you will be enormously successful and could probably retire within a short time frame.
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