Why would you find that odd? People who HOPED to get you to sign up under them in a 'network marketing opportunity' invited you to a sales seminar - meant to convince people to join that particular company/opportunity. You didn't know that was the purpose?

Network marketing is usually used to refer to multi-level both online and offline - MaryKay, Avon,Tupperware are 'network marketing' many are familiar with but also the multitude of "multi-level-marketing (mlm)" programs are under the 'network marketing' umbrella.

Network marketing is a form of internet marketing when conducted online.
People make money with network marketing and with internet marketing - in hundreds of different ways.

You were arguing that someone who claims to earn 6 figures - doesn't know what he's doing. He could see you were new and not interested in joining - so no point for him to engage with you further.

I hear your arguments but (from questions you've asked recently) I think you are arguing points you've read here and elsewhere - rather than from experience.

There's nothing to gain by arguing that someone else's business method is wrong or by 'assuming' someone else has 'no knowledge'. Once you have built your own business to a highly profitable level, you'll find other marketers ASKING for your opinion.

A lot of network marketers are moving in new directions including running ads on Facebook and building their own lists. If their company goes under, they still have their list and can get started quickly with a new company.

But they are being fought hard by other network marketers who think MLM businesses should only be build with person to person contact. They seem to fear change.

You were obviously talking to one of the latter group.

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I owned a network marketing company for over 20 years. You can Google: Patrick Shelley Nutriharmony

I sold it nearly 7 years ago and there are still about 100 refs in the serps.

What you ran into is a case of very poor salesmanship.

The speaker just wants you in the business. But, just like people recruiting you into their religion, if they are this religion then yours is wrong even though they don't understand it or know anything about it.

Network marketing can be quite lucrative. But, you also hear the negative that people got into it and went broke. Well, we hear that from many in IM as well.
Or any type of business for that matter.

What he should have done when you said you do IM is said GREAT! Here's how you can combine the two and make a fortune.

There really are still some extremely successful "old school" network marketers building and teaching their downlines using offline methods. These methods still work astoundingly well.

On the other hand, there are also successful network marketers using mostly "online" methods, and largely ignoring the huge (and barely tapped) offline arena.

The upshot is that when beginning with a network marketing company, start with the tools and training provided. It is rare to find anyone competent enough to teach a duplicatable marketing system using both online and offline methods.

What I do for my downline is recommend third party training partners for those who have mastered the basics and seem ready to move up to the next level. Those who won't or can't follow initial training are unceremoniously dismissed from my team.

The aim of these seminars is usually to get people to buy into a vision or system. These seminars are usually well attended and highly targeted and hence very profitable for the persons keeping the seminar. The effect of having a live speaker at a seminar is more powerful than a webinar online or a sales page. Hence that is why network marketing is more profitable than Internet marketing.

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Network marketing is really just a distribution model used to sell overpriced goods and services. What will determine your success in network marketing is how well you can work your company's "system",if you joined at the right time (did you join before all of the big money was made?) and how well you can sell. Internet marketing/digital marketing is a distribution model as well. The only difference is the fact that you're using the world wide web to market and sell your products and services. Both models can be used to leverage your marketing and sales.

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List building does not necessarily have to be "monopolized" by an email subscriber base.
My old Amway buddies who were successful had huge Lists of customer/prospects' name, numbers, addresses etc..etc..on the back of their yellow legal pads

As a career network marketer the speaker sounds like kind of a jackass... but
hey... they're everywhere in all types of businesses.

To answer the question I quoted.... the difference between a network marketer
and an internet marketer (as you appear to be using the term) is that one understands
leveraged residual income and one maybe doesn't.

That said, internet marketing isn't a business. It's a method that can be used
to build a business. Many network marketers use internet marketing to build
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First off, the guy making the 6-figures or more... yada-yada. He didn't get there managing a list. Furthermore, you're unteachable.
I'm not saying either of you are wrong, but different.

However, if you continue you'll get what you've always gotten by doing the same things over and over.

1. Be humble and teachable.
2. Listen more than talk.
3. Take your time; be patient.
4. If you don't understand, ask.

I can tell you for a fact (and I leave you with this), there is more money in networking with the right people than there is in any standard marketing list.

I know there is no malicious intent on your part, but regrettably I did just that a few years ago. But that really is not important, and I will never again release such numbers publically. Besides, very few here will ever do what it takes to achieve such high levels of success anyway.

With apologies, this forum is primarily a training and recruiting tool for my own MLM downline. For some reason this forum can be especially hostile towards those who have reached uncommon success which you perhaps have seen for yourself over the years, as all of the greatest marketing legends left in disgust.

I give my attention and energy to folks I resonate with N, and let go everybody else. Because where your attention and energy goes, grows NM, IM....some passionate folks work either niche, and kill it.

The speaker may be an 'old school' networker.

Some of these guys have built up huge teams and can make more than 6 figures. They don't like the idea of Internet Marketing.

What they like is convincing a ton of people (where the average rep has a cap of 3 sales) to sell (through family and friends) a few products for them and the company.

The great majority of Network Marketers sell a few products and make next to nothing. But this equates to a ton of sales volume for some leaders and the company.

boardly speaking,

network marketing is to sell you a product, you must push hard to get someone sign up under you.

online marketing is to provide value to your target audiance, doesn't matter if they buy or not, and evantualy someone will believe in your value and pull his wallet out, this is a pull marketing, network is a push selling.

also online marketing is building your brand, not like network marketing, you are building someone else brand.

in term of hard working, online marketing require you to work hard, but is for yourself, some network marketing company may tell you that if you find 2 powerful downline, they may do the work for you.

so your choice ...

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Internet marketing includes all forms of marketing online - brick and mortar businesses marketing their goods or services through the Internet.

Network Marketing is a business model that uses independent representatives to market a good or service. It may or may not be worked online. To be successful at network marketing, building a business online is really the best way to attract huge numbers of prospects and customers.

internet marketing help in organic ranking & traffic while networking marketing have many fake traffic.

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Both Internet marketing and network marketing has high reaches. Internet marketing it is a two-way process and an interactive marketing process. Network marketing is more like a federal structure, where is a top authority and many branches are coming down from each resource. Though many follow network marketing but it is not the future as more people are getting cheated rather than getting benefited. But Internet marketing is the future.

Tsnyder, I respect you owned a Network Marketing company. But owning your own company is different than becoming a distributor. Network Marketing is a pyramid scheme. The last person will always lose out - it's built that way. It's built to make all the people at the bottom lose and the top people gets all the income. Anybody who is smart will go and create their own company. It's funny how people who are in Network Marketing think that's their company. lol.

Network Marketing has taught me to be very closed minded. Now that I transition to IM, I can see why people who are in MLM are so narrowed minded and easily get offended when I tell them about IM.

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There is nothing right or wrong about INTERNET marketing & NETWORK marketing.

People are doing great in INTERNET marketing and NETWORK marketing too. It' own one choice how to earn the money.

Every marketing or business TRAFFIC & PRODUCT is needed for the business to happen.

So - two men look alike to you - and if it's a woman...probably no real skills.
That's your position? splorf. I count at least 10 people in this thread who have earned a living online for years - those are just the ones I KNOW about.

I started IM about ten years before you did - and that was AFTER some others in this thread. Don't be a dork. Your opinion is fine - your reasoning is your own - your conjecture about others in this thread is delusional.

I came to this forum about ten years ago, after spending several years in network marketing. I used a lot of IM techniques to sort and sift through the various prospects looking for those who resonated with the way our group did things. At one point I was one of the moderators at one of the biggest NWM forums, and even a partner in a company that provided company approved websites based on our methods.

The reasons I left the industry were:

> I got tired of having companies implode and go out of business owning me money, and leaving me to start over again.

> I got tired of the scenario of having people finding leads companies with their own MLM plan, and spending more time pitching their leads company to other team members than building the business. Eventually, people splintered off to be the king of their own little hill and quit building the main business.

Basically, I just got tired. Had nothing to do with the business model itself.

Then a member of the old forum suggested I have a look here. I joined and made an intro post. The first reply was "about time you got here." Been here ever since.

There are several MLM companies that I know of which offer products of much greater value than can be found in stores, including my company. But you're not likely to find any MLM'er here foolish enough to tip their hand openly on this forum with specifics.

I'm not worried about tipping my hand... the facts are what they are.

The problem is the forum rules...

They both have their advantages and disadvantages. In reality I believe you should just go with what you're strengths are. Like if you don't know anything about internet marketing and you're just starting out, we all know how big that learning curve is. It's nuts! We're engineers in a lot of ways. The amount of technical things you have to know to do IM. It's rediculous. So the average person isn't going to know all that, nor have the time to learn all that. It's impossible. But like for example I have this one video at MLMRC which it shows this one guy who's done extremely well. His name is Holton Buggs. It's been shown in multiple sites and places that they guy is raking in well over 10 million per year. Now he says he knew 1 thing. Just how to do a conference call. That's not hard. So he did conference calls and meetings at his house to sign people up. And that allow him to get tons and tons of people, which was sort of his initial claim to fame. So I bet any money 99.9 percent of the people on here know tons more about IM than he ever does, But he's making 1000 to 10000 times as 99.9 percent of all IMer's are without knowing very much. But he's a good speaker which not everyone is. But anyway, I just think go with what you're good at. What else can you really do right.

For me it makes no difference if your a network marketer or internet marketer if your talking to the wrong target audience then it makes no difference how good your sales pitch is you wont get a sale. Meaning if your selling meat to vegetarians you'll get zero conversion.

I personally prefer online marketing over network marketing and thats because I have an online system that handles all the heavy lifting for me. And my role is to send targeedt leads to my landing page, How ever I have also found that my conversion and retention rates are way higher when I use some of the presentation skills that network marketers use.

My difference is that I believe we all lead busy lives today and that with modern technology there really is no need to leave your home to go to a hotel or someone elses home to see a net work marketing presentation. You can achieve the same outcome online when you use modern technology correctly.

For that guest presenter to say that your method doesnt work, certainly concerns me because I certainly know peopl who earns 6 figures per month thanks to internet marketing and doing what I do

It wasn't my intent to start a disagreement in this thread, only to see if there was an actual MLM company out there that had a good product. As I have stated before numerous times, the MLM companies I have been solicited to join have always had products I did not believe in. Further, I did not agree with the compensation packages, they seemed to put much more compensation on recruitment than they did on simply selling the product. Tsnyder shared his company with me privately with me so I could research it and draw my own conclusions. I think this is the best way to decide if you want to be part of something. If I had concerns I could go back to Tsnyder and address those with him. Again, so as not to violate the TOS of the WF I won't say anything about the company except to say this: I commend Tsnyder on having the confidence to allow the company to stand on its merits. With regards to the signing up online concern: I'm not in MLM so I don't know how often someone joins up under someone on Google vs. the person who introduces them. But I can't imaging bypassing the person who showed me the opportunity and is willing to work with me on it.

Some might say that with all the negativity associated with MLM you need to preempt the objections before giving the name of the company and the stating that it is an MLM. I have been in sales for 25 years and I understand that there are good companies and products in poorly perceived niches. However, I still believe that the best way to approach anything is with a straightforward approach. I doubt I will join Tsnyder's MLM or any MLM for that matter, but if I did I would take that type of approach. Being in sales I would probably just want to sell the product, but if someone wanted to know more I would say, "I'm with company X, and we have Y products" It is an MLM or NM company but you don't have to be part of that. This is my website and if you want to know more let me know. No matter what you've heard or experienced with MLM, I'd be happy to discuss your questions and concerns." The funny thing to me is, if this is the wrong approach, then why is that? Why should I need to take something other than an upfront direct approach to get someone interested in my business? To me, if I take the straightforward approach I am more likely to end up with, as Tsnyder says, the right people, the people in it for the long haul.
Right now I sell products to small businesses. The products I sell are commodity and in a somewhat saturated market, yet I do ok. I don't make a million bucks a year but I make six figures. I take the same straightforward approach when calling on a business owner. I tell them my company name and products, and I say something like, "I'm sure the last thing you want to see is another X and Y but I'd appreciate the opportunity to show my lines and see if you think they'd be a good fit for your store." I don't feel the need to circumvent or evade the company/product to get the appointment.

Myob, you said this: "Tsnyder's recruiting method seems to have a number of weak links and glaring points of failure.:

Then, when Tsnyder responded, you said this: "My apologies if I've come across as offensive, insulting or argumentative, as that most certainly was not my intent. "

How did you expect him to take that statement? How would you have taken it?

Then you said this to me, "mobilemarketer2012,
Your training with me has already begun for any network company you may decide to join:
Get the book "Go Pro - 7 Steps to Becoming a Network Marketing Professional" by Eric Worre. It's available on Amazon or on his website: networkmarketingpro.com. After you read the book, send me a PM. Then we'll talk."

Who said I wanted to train with you?

In my opinion, you have been pretty presumptive in this thread. Maybe your training (not with me because I don't know everything) ought to be: be upfront and open minded with people and give them the benefit of the doubt.

Cheers