Local barbershop client ideas

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Ran into a local barber, he has a nice shop. TVs, pool table, poker table, shampoo chair. Just the place is a ghost town. He told me spent $400 on yelp and still crickets.



So after telling him about upwork and fiverr and how he can easily hire someone to create him videos for his Instagram ads. Since he also posts on Instagram. He is lost on everything since he is a barber and doesn't have IM knowledge. I told him I'll do him a free case study where he pays for ad costs and outsourcing costs on those marketplaces. He said he's ready ASAP. Lol





I also intend to use his case study to target other barbers since it's many other barbers in this metropolitan city.



I learned that I can do ig video ads myself giving one nugget then directing viewers to my calendar link for 1 on 1 consultation $25. Just to get my feet wet.



I also plan to offer $297 per month biweekly coaching sessions where we discuss marketing techniques and troubleshoot video script ideas for ads, angles and other bells and whistles to get up to par.



What other ideas can perfectly fit this niche as an upsell?



I was thinking DFY but it seems like they won't be able to afford my fees. Which is why I assumed it's better to show them how
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  • Profile picture of the author animal44
    Caveat: I've only done this with ladies hairdressers because:
    1. They tend to charge more than men's barbers and my remuneration is tied to value.
    2. I believe (though not backed by any research) that women are more loyal to shops than men.

    1. Persuade Barber to give you 500 free haircuts. There's almost no cost difference between Barber sitting there twiddling thumbs and cutting someone's hair.
    2. Find 5 partner businesses that service the same customers. For women's hairdressers we tend to use fashion shops.
    3. Offer each partner business 100 free haircuts to be given to their top 100 customers.
    4. Make high quality coupons, time limited to 8 weeks, with accompanying letter telling them the barber has negotiated a free haircut as a reward for being such great customers. Tell them that they're part of a select group of only 100.
    5. Ensure you have a follow up offer for those who come back for a paid haircut. You may be able to negotiate this with the partner businesses. Ensure that it's something desirable and valuable.

    In my experience and done properly you'll get 300+ repeat customers within 8 weeks from this deal. The Barber will probably die of shock... :-)

    Even if you only get 100 repeat customers that's 100 new customers * 12 per haircut * 12 haircut per year=14,400 per year. You're not charging enough!
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    Originally Posted by JeffDC89 View Post

    I also intend to use his case study to target other barbers since it's many other barbers in this metropolitan city.
    Every time I read something like this... my head kinda goes down and I might even go so far as a palm on the forehead. Im going to specialize in X - in this case Barbers...

    here is the secondary issue I have with this, which happens to be in the statement as well " target other barbers since it's many other barbers in this metropolitan city." As long as they are geographically apart enough.... you can get away with this... if they are not... Barber #1 pays you for this service you are going to provide, then Barber #2 comes into the picture and people leave Barber #1 for Barber #2 and 3 and 4

    You are literally going to be shooting each and every past client you had or are trying to maintain in the foot... dont believe me? you will see... Barber #1 and everything will work out very well..the minute you start in on Barber #2, Barber #1's numbers will drop... and he will be like "WTF?!?!?!"

    Forget the specific target here... if you have the skill, it applies to anything and everything. A Barber, A Beauty Salon, A Nail Salon, A Tanning Salon, A Bodega, A Pizza joint, A Chiropractor... you get the idea.

    And back to the Primary reason for the palm plant... exactly how many Barbers are there in your Metro town? 100? 200? and you actually close maybe 3% thats 3 to 6 clients. And then you start traffic pilfering..and youmight end up with 2 or 3 clients once its all said and done.

    Dont be that guy that shoots their client in the foot,let alone shoots your own foot. I think the saying goes "Dont bite the hand that feeds you."
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      here is the secondary issue I have with this, which happens to be in the statement as well " target other barbers since it's many other barbers in this metropolitan city." As long as they are geographically apart enough.... you can get away with this... if they are not... Barber #1 pays you for this service you are going to provide, then Barber #2 comes into the picture and people leave Barber #1 for Barber #2 and 3 and 4

      You are literally going to be shooting each and every past client you had or are trying to maintain in the foot... dont believe me? you will see... Barber #1 and everything will work out very well..the minute you start in on Barber #2, Barber #1's numbers will drop... and he will be like "WTF?!?!?!"
      When I was selling my local online marketing service, this became my immediate...#1 objection and problem.

      You sell the first barber in a large city. The second barber will want to be exclusive, because you are already taking customers away from him. Whether it's true or not doesn't matter, it's how they will think.


      If you are going to sell any comprehensive online marketing services to local businesses, they have to either be in separate cities or in different businesses.

      Different Zip Codes may be enough. But even then, I would hear screams from established clients when they found out I was also working with their hated competitor.

      I found this reaction in dozens of different core businesses. Always the same.

      Working nationally solved that problem. And once you have worked with one barber (or any business), you know what to do with all of them, in the same business.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    @Savidge4...

    Although I can understand your reasoning on a microbial level...I still don't believe someone can't work with several businesses in the same niche on a local level...

    QR codes for instance were/are a big thing for restaurant menus. Every restaurant within any location can be sold on the idea. A few businesses started up just selling that idea.

    Digital coupons are another big seller. You can sell them to businesses in the same niche. Loyalty cards can also be created and sold to local businesses. Some marketing is designed (as I'm sure you know) to not only bring in new customers but to bring back or retain old and existing customers.

    Now, I understand this post mostly refers to a new business...but that's assuming all the other barber shops are new too...dealing with them in my opinion would not keep you from dealing with established businesses. You may need to change the offer, but I'm quite sure with some ingenuity it wouldn't be a problem.

    My thinking goes back to another post I was commenting on...Coke and Pepsi. Would Pepsi say "well we can't advertise there because Coke is already there?" No, it's competition.

    No matter what one business does, it always comes down to what the customer thinks about them.

    Now, if we're simply talking free this and that all day, that's another issue. I don't see a problem with it if you're the first or maybe second on the block...other than that, would be good to come up with another angle.

    Anyways, what I'm saying is...I don't see a problem or an issue if it's done right when dealing with multiple businesses in the same niche that are in the same area
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    @max5ty

    Coke and Pepsi are competitors... do you think they have the same ad agency?

    At some point is there not a conflict of interest?

    so lets name a big metroplex... say NYC and you are going to go out and get say 50 clients for Instagram Ads. the 1st client will get maximum reach and maximum ad rotation right? add 50 barbers ads in the mix and what happens? Ad wont come up as often correct? 1/50th as often as before to be more exact

    What happens to the overall performance?

    So the basic assumption is... you can use Zip codes as a target - and in most instances this would be a good amount of separation... but NYC? a ONE single building will have its own zipcode

    Manhattan is what 22 square miles? There is something like 75 zip codes? and we are talking JUST Manhattan here - and it really is exactly the same across the 5 boroughs - Population is DENSE - the ability of the marketer to create separation gets harder and harder.

    Where I live... My town has 2 barbers I think... the next town over 3 or 4 and the next town 7. And we are talking 10 miles separates each town, but each of these has a separate zip code. So I can snag one in each zip and keep the targeting under control. Im not competing with myself.

    Cant really use Restaurants as an example in this... UNLESS you were focussing on a specific type of restaurant.. Like French Restaurants ( its sad when you have to think of what restaurant to name worrying you might offend someone ) then you are placing yourself in that same situation as the barber. But a French one here and and Asian one there and a Mexican one right next door... as much as they are Restaurants, I know in the case of Facebook Ads (Instagram ads would be same thing ) they would have difference reaches... unlike "Barbers" in Zipcode 10172 targeting males.

    Maybe its just an ethics thing... ok FOR ME its an ethics thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      @max5ty

      Coke and Pepsi are competitors... do you think they have the same ad agency?

      At some point is there not a conflict of interest?

      so lets name a big metroplex... say NYC and you are going to go out and get say 50 clients for Instagram Ads. the 1st client will get maximum reach and maximum ad rotation right? add 50 barbers ads in the mix and what happens? Ad wont come up as often correct? 1/50th as often as before to be more exact

      What happens to the overall performance?

      So the basic assumption is... you can use Zip codes as a target - and in most instances this would be a good amount of separation... but NYC? a ONE single building will have its own zipcode

      Manhattan is what 22 square miles? There is something like 75 zip codes? and we are talking JUST Manhattan here - and it really is exactly the same across the 5 boroughs - Population is DENSE - the ability of the marketer to create separation gets harder and harder.

      Where I live... My town has 2 barbers I think... the next town over 3 or 4 and the next town 7. And we are talking 10 miles separates each town, but each of these has a separate zip code. So I can snag one in each zip and keep the targeting under control. Im not competing with myself.

      Cant really use Restaurants as an example in this... UNLESS you were focussing on a specific type of restaurant.. Like French Restaurants ( its sad when you have to think of what restaurant to name worrying you might offend someone ) then you are placing yourself in that same situation as the barber. But a French one here and and Asian one there and a Mexican one right next door... as much as they are Restaurants, I know in the case of Facebook Ads (Instagram ads would be same thing ) they would have difference reaches... unlike "Barbers" in Zipcode 10172 targeting males.

      Maybe its just an ethics thing... ok FOR ME its an ethics thing.
      Ok, so you're saying no 2 same-type businesses anywhere can advertise anywhere within the same area?

      Because if you stop and think about what you're saying...that's what you're saying...
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        No, 2 same-type businesses anywhere can, indeed, advertise within the same area, and they do, it's common.


        What's not common is having the same marketing agency doing it for 2 or more businesses.


        Let's say you get hired by two barbers in close proximity, what do you do about SEO?


        You're not doing SEO, only direct mail?


        If you're sending cards to the same area for both, that means each household gets 2 cards, which means the power of each is diluted. Or, you've made barber a's postcards better than barber B's postcards (or vice versa, but one of them is paying you for nothing...)


        Yes, there are things you can do... onpage SEO, for instance, lessons about positioning, but when it comes to actually going after clients, you will not make either A or B happy, if they know you're representing them both. And you might not put the same effort in one of them as in the other one, and... it just looks bad... Because they are competitors.


        Find barbers that are far apart enough so that their client bases do not overlap, and you can represent both and nobody will mind.


        Just so you know, I'm not a barber, but if I hired you for anything, I would make it part of my agreement that you do not represent anybody in my business who's got a location within 20 miles of me and no regional or national outfits.


        Different companies have different areas, wedding dress store I know thinks half of the State it's in (and it's a large state) is their area.


        Pizza places have an area of only a few miles... I will not drive to a pizza place more than 3 miles and they do not deliver past 3 miles in my area.



        Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

        Ok, so you're saying no 2 same-type businesses anywhere can advertise anywhere within the same area?

        Because if you stop and think about what you're saying...that's what you're saying...
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

        Ok, so you're saying no 2 same-type businesses anywhere can advertise anywhere within the same area?

        Because if you stop and think about what you're saying...that's what you're saying...

        Not sure what Savidge4 wil say, but here's my experience....

        If you are selling online marketing services that can be seen by competitors....you are going to run into major problems selling more than one in a city.

        There are exceptions. You mentioned QR codes and coupons. You could sell customer contact services, Facebook services, e-mail marketing services, websites to as many barbers in a city as you like...because that doesn't step on a competitor's toes.

        But anything that they will see...like a newspaper ad or online video, and you'll have real problems with more than one client in a city..in the same business.

        I speak from experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    See now this gets complicated... No, there is nothing wrong with 2 companies in the same vertical advertising. Yes ( I believe ) there is an issue when the same agency is doing the advertising for both companies.

    The OP stated that they were going to use Instagram ads same thing as Facebook ads - uses the same engine. In order to do this on a local level, you have to identify your target audience. the most efficient way to do this "Locally" would be the use of zipcode targeting and those that are "Male". easy enough

    I am going to throw in here, I believe the whole idea to be uh hmmm lets just leave it at not something I would do.

    I personally would employ Google Business Profiles. Within Google there is a geographical circle based apon the business location. Some of you might have read me say this before..I am just short of anal about this... I know specifically within my target region of business... how those circles work.. how much area they cover etc etc.

    I understand the physical distance needed for my efforts for 2 same vertical business not to cross each other out. The closer in proximity you get to one they will list first, and the closer you get to the other, that one will list first.

    MY personal zipcode encompasses 73 sq miles. NYC ( all 5 boroughs ) has 217? zip codes and covers 302sq Miles. As a far fetched example zipcode 10002 ( basically the lower east side ) has a population of 80,000 - to send EDDM here, it takes 16 days. ( go ahead ask me how I know? LOL )

    Facebook and Instagram... depending on the mood they are in do 1 of 2 things... they either serve ads based on the zipcode used in the end user profile, OR they use the location of the END USER - you can also run ads based on proximity to the business location - and again this is on again off again - wacked to say the least.

    The dilemma for ME as a service provider, becomes the dilution of my efforts. Again I would not be running ads for this... BUT the moment you are running multiple ads for the same thing within a tight proximity... Facebook / Instagram ARE NOT going to display ALL of the ads...they will be basically placed in a rotator...the MORE business that YOU the service provider are doing work for within such tight quarters, the LESS any one specific clients ad will appear - in essence YOUR work as a service provider becomes far less effective as a whole - I don't know what its like where you live? but where I live - thats simply not good for business

    Now the effective way around all this is to #1 increase your prices and #2 run short term contracts - say 30 days or what have you... pick 2 in each of the 5 boroughs that have an amount of physical geographical distance between them, and run 30 day cycles of 10 clients.

    Are we starting to understand why someone like me - CHOOSES to live in a small town, in proximity in every which direction to bigger communities, and NO where near a Metroplex - it wasnt an accident kids, my location is by design.

    NYC with its 7.5 million residents... is just mind overload - 16 days to deliver EDDM to ONE zipcode LOL no thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Now we have a big problem in Anyville U.S.A...

    Billy wants to open a barbershop on Market street but his boyfriend reminds him there's already one on Main Street...

    oh crap, now we have a problem. And, to make things worse, his neighbor tells him there are 194 other barbershops in town.

    Same thing happened to him last year when he wanted to open a convenience store on West Street and he discovered there was already one on almost every corner downtown.

    See, there is no problem with opening the same type of businesses in the same town...it's a common practice. Obviously, they all get business or they would be out of business.

    Every city in the world has more than one of almost everything and they all seem to make a go of it. How do they all manage to survive? Stop and think about the dynamics of this. It's happening not only hundreds of times but thousands of times in some cities...and they're all still thriving.

    Now, along comes Larry the whiz kid of marketing and says, "Oh my gawd, there is no way all these businesses can advertise locally and survive. This won't work!"..and yet, by some sort of magic it happens...

    there are multiple businesses sometimes on the same street and they still are in business and still surviving. There are even times when they are almost next door to each other and still magically survive. I have seen cities where there are Walmarts and Targets on the same block.

    So, my thinking is, we want to come along and get all confused on how in the world we can possibly advertise for multiple businesses in the same niche in the same town...but yet multiple businesses in the same niche in the same town are already thriving in almost every town there is...

    creativity is important. Sitting back in the lazy boy and not understanding how the marketing world works can cause someone to freak completely out and become a raving nudist at the local nudist colony on Elm street.

    not sure if I'm making my point clear, but hopefully I am
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      Now we have a big problem in Anyville U.S.A...

      Billy wants to open a barbershop on Market street but his boyfriend reminds him there's already one on Main Street...

      oh crap, now we have a problem. And, to make things worse, his neighbor tells him there are 194 other barbershops in town.

      Same thing happened to him last year when he wanted to open a convenience store on West Street and he discovered there was already one on almost every corner downtown.

      See, there is no problem with opening the same type of businesses in the same town...it's a common practice. Obviously, they all get business or they would be out of business.

      Every city in the world has more than one of almost everything and they all seem to make a go of it. How do they all manage to survive? Stop and think about the dynamics of this. It's happening not only hundreds of times but thousands of times in some cities...and they're all still thriving.

      Now, along comes Larry the whiz kid of marketing and says, "Oh my gawd, there is no way all these businesses can advertise locally and survive. This won't work!"..and yet, by some sort of magic it happens...

      there are multiple businesses sometimes on the same street and they still are in business and still surviving. There are even times when they are almost next door to each other and still magically survive. I have seen cities where there are Walmarts and Targets on the same block.

      So, my thinking is, we want to come along and get all confused on how in the world we can possibly advertise for multiple businesses in the same niche in the same town...but yet multiple businesses in the same niche in the same town are already thriving in almost every town there is...

      creativity is important. Sitting back in the lazy boy and not understanding how the marketing world works can cause someone to freak completely out and become a raving nudist at the local nudist colony on Elm street.

      not sure if I'm making my point clear, but hopefully I am
      We are making progress... and then there is THIS:

      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      but yet multiple businesses in the same niche in the same town are already thriving in almost every town there is...
      For every one that is thriving... there are probably 3 or 4 ( if not more ) that are in the exact opposite direction. The OP states:

      Originally Posted by JeffDC89 View Post

      Ran into a local barber, he has a nice shop. TVs, pool table, poker table, shampoo chair. Just the place is a ghost town.
      So lets take this way off the deep end and bring up McDonalds. Probably 2nd on my list of business' that do the most in depth research prior to placing a location. ( 1st is Outback if anyone is interested ) Population, Traffic, distance from other locations etc etc. Burger King doesnt even have a dept that deals with identifying locations - They just use existing McDonalds locations.

      Different vertical and the same pattern... Advanced Auto goes in and and Auto Zone will follow.

      BUT we do not see a McDonalds on every corner now do we?

      And this is my point... with My method of local advertising if you will... I strive for listings on the 3 pac... there are ONLY 3...in my little town or in the BIG city NYC... 3 spots and 3 spots only... how do you explain to customer #4, 5, and 6 that sorry.. you paid me a bunch of money, but I put my best work into 1, 2, and 3..and I simply cant outdo myself.

      So then the questions is just being begged to ask... Why would you tell 4, 5, and 6 that 1, 2, and 3 are your clients... well I wouldnt If I ended up in this situation.

      But what happens with clients 4, 5, and 6? They are not going to see an increase in results correct? How does that reflect apon the services I provide? 1, 2 and 3 think I am the best thing since sliced bread, and 4, 5, and 6 think I sold them a bridge ( NYC reference - did you see that? )

      THIS is specifically what I am talking about... as a service provider, there IS such thing as density by geography and your ability to provide results...

      With Google Business profiles, we are talking a 3 pack

      With Instagram ads we are talking about 1 business getting 100 ad views per hour, and by adding 4 more clients in close proximity each will only get 20 per hour.

      In both cases there comes a point real fast where effectiveness of your actions become diluted... Diluted being less effective, Less effective ultimately means lower life of customer... and that leads us to playing this game out, you have to build in a client rotator to hopefully over time end up with Optimal paying clients that are geographically spread out so that your efforts are optimized

      And then going the other end of Providing the service we can get to charging:

      Originally Posted by animal44 View Post

      You're not charging enough!
      Using the geographical prospect rotator ( 2 clients per borough ) has built in an element of scarcity... ONLY 10 SPOTS per 30 days.

      @JeffDC89

      And now I see the DC in your name hahaha oh well NYC is a great example ( 270 Zip codes in DC in 68 sq miles for those watching at home )

      However this works, the same principles apply

      In DC in particular I would go with something like 8 to 10 within the metro area and then you can target outside, so Annandale, Arlington, Fairfax, Bethesda, Silver Springs, Alexandria, Reston, Centerville, and so on

      I would go forward with your first client... I would only charge the cost of ads. I would only run the ads from 7am to 5pm daily and not on days they are closed. ( this is a option in ad set-up - maybe not the times specifically but the ability to set the times )

      I would then create the case study.

      I would then hit up Google and search "Barbers in DC" right under the 3 pack, there is a link "More Businesses" and I would go through these ( scroll to the bottom of the left column and you see the Google prev and next 1, 2, 3,... ) Take a screen shot and print out each of these maps.

      So you are now walking into a Barbershop... Hey I got this advertising thing... Here is a case study of what we do and the results we got. I would then "Leverage" the multiple pages of maps with 20 red arrows on each page and be like " If you dont take this the next guy will" maybe not in those terms, but you get what I mean.

      Since you did the case study you will understand the cost associated with running the ad. ME personally would be charging a rate that INCLUDED the ad fees. If you grow this, you will then want to buy ad space at a commercial rate, yes you can buy such things in bulk - this will drive down your ad spend over multiple clients.

      And again, this scenario has "Greed will get the best of you" written all over it. Think about your client's results... AND the results you are getting your clients... Its kinda the key to a sustainable business.
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      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post


      Now, along comes Larry the whiz kid of marketing and says, "Oh my gawd, there is no way all these businesses can advertise locally and survive. This won't work!"..and yet, by some sort of magic it happens...


      So, my thinking is, we want to come along and get all confused on how in the world we can possibly advertise for multiple businesses in the same niche in the same town...but yet multiple businesses in the same niche in the same town are already thriving in almost every town there is...

      not sure if I'm making my point clear, but hopefully I am
      You made your point clear, and it makes perfect sense.
      The problem isn't every barbershop advertising. Or even having a website, doing e-mail marketing, having a Facebook page, doing direct mail, or any one of a dozen other marketing efforts.

      And in many cases, it's not a problem for an ad sales rep either.

      Multiple barbers (for example) on the same street could advertising in the same newspaper, by direct mail, have billboards. Even some online marketing sold by an online service provider or listing service. Like Angies List, Yellow Pages (If they still exist) , or Yelp.

      The problem for the ad rep is when they are selling a comprehensive online marketing service.

      For example, I sell a service that gives the business owner 10 Youtube videos, a website, a blog, a Facebook page with updates, and listings in every possible directory.

      The result (that I had experienced routinely) is that this one business now dominates the first page of a local Google search for the best search terms in that business.

      This isn't hard to do in smaller cities, because most businesses don't know how to do online marketing beyond having a website and maybe a Facebook page.

      But now I sell the second barber the same service. And instead of my first client dominating the first page of a Google search...he now has three listings, and the competitor has 5.

      Then I sell the third barber the same service. Now each of these barbers has 2 listings on the first page of a Google search. You are hurting your client.

      And..in every single case I've ever seen out of a couple hundred clients like this, the Sh1t hits the fan the day they find out I'm helping their competitor. Why? Because my effort is now damaging their results. And I'm doing it in a visible way.


      Now...doesn't multiple ads for one type of business create ill will when selling newspaper ads, radio ads, TV ads, direct mail services, coupon ads?

      No. And the reason is, it's not seen the same way by the client.

      The problem isn't one of reality, but one of perception.

      The perception of the client.

      Now....if you simply stated that your service is non-exclusive, that would solve the problem. It would also stop many business owners from buying.

      Here's an analogy.

      You sell billboard ads. At one intersection, you have two massive billboards. You sell a great ad to one barber on the billboard. And the next month, the second billboard ad space is sold to the barber across the street. (or really anywhere in the city).

      That first buyer is going to be angry with the rep. Two billboards across town from each other? Less of a problem.

      But....Google only has 10 places on the first page of a search. Sharing isn't what business owners do well.
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