How To Sell SEO To Local Business

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Hi Warriors,

Phew! I have been on the phone all day trying to get people to understand the importance of SEO for their business, you would think i was selling a dead horse to them.

Some have been interested and asked for a proposal which was already made and outlines how big an opportunity this could be for them online (traffic to their site for certain keywords and made it all releative to ppc).

These are all people using Adwords. The opportunity for them as a company is massive and with me charging £400/month they would need only 2 customers to break even. Not bad considering there is over 10k searches a month for their services and the competition is EASY.

Is there anything i can do to get local business to open their eyes? A marketing technique, maybe certain things i need to say on the phone?

Thanks for any insight as i feel pretty downbeat after an optimistic start.
Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    I know of someone doing EXACTLY this, and he charges $1,000 a month. He uses wordpress too! The hard part is "educating" people!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
      Haha could i hire you as the muscle to knock some sense into them?

      Seriously though how does he "educate" these people. I find it hard getting past the uncurious receptionists. One of the few people i got through to was the marketing assistant who asked for a proposal.

      I know this is too good to not do, i just need that little bit of marketing. I have my site prism media almost done, still need to optimise it 100% but that will happen soonish.

      Steve
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      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      I know of someone doing EXACTLY this, and he charges $1,000 a month. He uses wordpress too! The hard part is "educating" people!
      Sell Today ... Educate tomorrow!
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      • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
        Guys it really isn't that hard to talk to local business owners.

        You want to call them - great do it.
        You want to stop in to see them - great do it.
        You want to send a postcard - sure
        You want to send an email - wonderful.

        Just do something.

        And you're not selling them the service - you're selling them the benefit. Hey I can make it easier for people to find you on the internet AND do it for cheaper than all of the other advertising you already do.

        Did I mention it's totally traceable and we can show for every dollar spent how much you brought in.

        Wow ... amazing.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Send me a PM dude, Ill ask him for more information. I know he organises casual meetings with clients at cafes and sells his pitch there. Last I heard he was at $6K a month. Its definitely something worth investigating.

    PS. I can slap them around for you if you like - $500 per month, (recurring fee)
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
      Sounds like a good deal mate haha

      That would be fantastic mate - its been a rough day!

      Ill send you a pm now

      P.s if anyone else has any information or advice that would be great and trust me, much appreciated as im at a loss at the minute - cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author kenomen
    Recently I read an inspiring thread from a guy that has good success using this technique, read it here Now making $3067 monthly income from my 30DC skills - Thirty Day Challenge Forums
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
      Originally Posted by kenomen View Post

      Recently I read an inspiring thread from a guy that has good success using this technique, read it here Now making $3067 monthly income from my 30DC skills - Thirty Day Challenge Forums
      Hehe already read it a month ago - i may have already replied to it! (steve555)

      Thanks Johnny and im glad when people say what they are thinking, saves all the bs.

      Do you ever research your markets (ones that will work online) and then email them with data or do you just randomly pick local business?

      thx
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      • Profile picture of the author kenomen
        Originally Posted by lexicon555 View Post

        Hehe already read it a month ago - i may have already replied to it! (steve555)
        Hehehe, I bet that thread was the reason you are wanting to try this strategy! I was also thinking about it....
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by lexicon555 View Post

        Do you ever research your markets (ones that will work online) and then email them with data or do you just randomly pick local business?
        I dont do anything randomly. I research EVERYTHING I do, even if its a throw away adsense site.

        As said, Im not doing this exact method, however I know it works, and it can work very well. The guy I mentioned earlier has a friend who apparently cracked $20K a month, and easily.

        Im doing something a little different, which I mentioned in another thread, and so far have made $6,000 in 15 days.

        One thing Ive learnt in this business, infact just recently is this...

        Selling products, can generate money, but typically it takes more time, until you gain momentum.

        Selling services, can generate money, almost overnight.

        Personally I think the offline methods are often under rated.

        Anyway, just my thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Whilst Ive never tried this strategy I am doing something "kind of" similiar. I dont spend any time on the phone, I just have an email template that I blast to people all day. Each email has the potential to bring in $1500.

    Have you tried something similiar, rather than talking on the phone?

    Personally I think if you did a "mini review" of their site and how you could "make improvements" they may be more responsive.

    Just thinking out loud dude.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raygun
    He is right, the hardest part is educating the people to show them all the potential that is out there. Getting them to see the bigger picture could be the hardest challenge.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
      Originally Posted by Raygun View Post

      He is right, the hardest part is educating the people to show them all the potential that is out there. Getting them to see the bigger picture could be the hardest challenge.
      TRUST me i know exhausted from all of the phone calls with BRAINDEAD secretaries.

      Any specific dos and donts or pitches? Not that i like selling but if it means me getting clients..

      thx
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      • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
        Originally Posted by lexicon555 View Post

        TRUST me i know exhausted from all of the phone calls with BRAINDEAD secretaries.

        Any specific dos and donts or pitches? Not that i like selling but if it means me getting clients..

        thx
        PM me and we can chat and see if I can help you. I've had some massive success in this...
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
      Originally Posted by Raygun View Post

      He is right, the hardest part is educating the people to show them all the potential that is out there. Getting them to see the bigger picture could be the hardest challenge.
      I hear you on that one Raygun, if they only knew what we know about IM and the potentialities things would be so much easier.
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    • Profile picture of the author npoint
      Originally Posted by Raygun View Post

      He is right, the hardest part is educating the people to show them all the potential that is out there. Getting them to see the bigger picture could be the hardest challenge.
      That is true, have the same problem on my local market, everyone use AdWords spending a lot of money on it, and don`t want to hear about SEO if we talking about NICHE keywords. All want to reach 1st position on most competetive keywords, not many of them want to hear about other possibilities of getting traffic.
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    Some time ago, there was a product about this method Offline Gold
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickWil
    Perhaps you could convince them by offering to do SEO for FREE. Just do a particular campaign that targets just one part of their business and let the results speak for itself. They'd be crazy not to pursue you to do SEO for the rest of their business if your efforts bear fruit.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
      Originally Posted by kenomen View Post

      Some time ago, there was a product about this method Offline Gold
      Thanks keno ill have a look but have a feeling it will be a "crazy" money sign up for something they tell you little about.

      Originally Posted by MaverickWil View Post

      Perhaps you could convince them by offering to do SEO for FREE. Just do a particular campaign that targets just one part of their business and let the results speak for itself. They'd be crazy not to pursue you to do SEO for the rest of their business if your efforts bear fruit.
      This could work, im doing this for someone at the minute but their massive site was down until today, but actually plan on being able to start it tomorrow.

      Agreed to rank them for a term first and then they would pay. You are talking about 2,000 competing phrase match..

      someone said to me that because seo is so "new" people just dont think it can actually bring them money.

      But yeh its definately about showing them. Then the problem is getting them to see emails or getting them to understand. Tough stuff but no way im letting it slide.

      Thanks for the advice so far
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    I think if you're calling, most often than not, youre going to hit a dead end. Obviously what you're doing isnt working, so ask yourself "Is there a better way to do this...?"

    You wont educate someone about the benefits of SEO over the phone in 5 minutes. Ive tried this before, and its like troubleshooting a printer problem on a desktop computer, with a non technically minded person at the other end - FORGET IT!

    That is unless you are a great salesperson, which Im not!

    Id do up a report, showing an example of how you helped XYZ's business acheive a 200% growth and customer base, along with increased revenues BY IMPLEMENTING YOUR STRATEGIES.

    This way, you can forward it directly to them, they can read it when they have time, and you could *potentially* send hundreds a day. Sending an email is a LOT quicker than making phone calls.

    Thoughts?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      I think if you're calling, most often than not, youre going to hit a dead end. Obviously what you're doing isnt working, so ask yourself "Is there a better way to do this...?"

      You wont educate someone about the benefits of SEO over the phone in 5 minutes. Ive tried this before, and its like troubleshooting a printer problem on a desktop computer, with a non technically minded person at the other end - FORGET IT!

      That is unless you are a great salesperson, which Im not!

      Id do up a report, showing an example of how you helped XYZ's business acheive a 200% growth and customer base, along with increased revenues BY IMPLEMENTING YOUR STRATEGIES.

      This way, you can forward it directly to them, they can read it when they have time, and you could *potentially* send hundreds a day. Sending an email is a LOT quicker than making phone calls.

      Thoughts?
      ROFL that printer analagy was brilliant, were you listening in on some of my calls? You make a great point though, i think sometimes we take for granted what we've been able to learn - I know somestimes i do when speaking to people.

      This was my first day trying and i managed to convince a few to let me send a proposal (I have templates set up showing data of 4 keywords and try to show people already running ppc campaigns what they would be paying in ppc for the same traffic).
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        Lexicon555

        You didn't mention you were trying to sell to Brits!!! As an expat from the UK now living in Canada I can officially say that English people are barking mad... Just ask my family, they still live in the South West - LOL !!

        But seriously, nothing changes now that I know you're in the UK. The same advice applies. Use webinars, NOT reports. Keep up the mystique. Don't let them get access to your reports ... trust me when I say they'll shop it around to their nephew who can do websites, their web designer, their monkey's uncle.

        Keep your intellectual property under tight wraps UNTIL you've got them onboard. Trust is earned, you'll keep getting hosed if you are too open with your materials. I know... I have a PHD in getting my *ss kicked ;-)

        Yup, I learned the hard way.
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      • Profile picture of the author Adam Nolan
        Here's what I do:

        I create a 30 second commercial for them and get it ranked front page in google. For free...


        They're usually ecstatic about it and brag to their friends, etc...

        Then 1 of 3 things usually happen.

        1. It falls off the front page of Google and they wonder why. I then pitch them the full service at $2500 upfront and 250 recurring a month. Or $400 / month for a 1 year closed contract.

        2. They ask me how much it costs for the full service and want to go full out.

        3. They lose interest.

        Our conversion rates are VERY high and our customers are VERY happy.

        I'm also in the process of creating a mini-marketing course to give them for free on what they can do to optimize their business TODAY for search engines.

        So far things have been going swimmingly.

        Cheers
        - Adam

        EDIT: Here is a google search of one of the videos we did for a third party containment prospect that turned into a client. We're in production right now.

        http://www.google.ca/search?source=i...lr%3D&aq=f&oq=
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        • Profile picture of the author Lee MacRae
          You said "These are all people using Adwords."

          In my experience anyone doing adwords already believes they know what they are doing in Internet marketing. And whoever is doing the adword campaigns in the company is not likely to admit to needing any outside help. This type of "selling" is tricky...if you can prove to the powers that be that you can improve their ROI then you may also have to find some way of letting the person who runs the adwords take the credit or they end up looking incompetent.

          In my experience you're better off looking for someone who doesn't use adwords. Companies that have a website that just sits there doing nothing in the search engine rankings or companies without a website are prime for someone who can come in and show them how they can make money. As mentioned, forget about "SEO"...you are simply there to show them how the Internet can make them money.

          But whatever you do don't give up. After every phone call or visit you make, sit down and analyze why you were successful or why you weren't. For every objection they put up imagine how you could have handled it differently. Practice these kinds of things over and over in your mind...the more you practice and visualize overcoming every type of objection the better you become in each subsequent attempt at getting business.

          And keep in mind one basic sales tenant that a lot of people never understand... you have to go through a lot of "no's" before you get to a yes. Just generate more people saying no and you'll end up getting a yes sooner or later.
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          • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
            You have a point but that's not entirely true, at least in my experience.

            The majority of small business owners who are doing Adwords are paying a service that called them and guaranteed first page placement on Google.

            Originally Posted by Lee MacRae View Post

            You said "These are all people using Adwords."

            In my experience anyone doing adwords already believes they know what they are doing in Internet marketing. And whoever is doing the adword campaigns in the company is not likely to admit to needing any outside help. This type of "selling" is tricky...if you can prove to the powers that be that you can improve their ROI then you may also have to find some way of letting the person who runs the adwords take the credit or they end up looking incompetent.

            In my experience you're better off looking for someone who doesn't use adwords. Companies that have a website that just sits there doing nothing in the search engine rankings or companies without a website are prime for someone who can come in and show them how they can make money. As mentioned, forget about "SEO"...you are simply there to show them how the Internet can make them money.

            But whatever you do don't give up. After every phone call or visit you make, sit down and analyze why you were successful or why you weren't. For every objection they put up imagine how you could have handled it differently. Practice these kinds of things over and over in your mind...the more you practice and visualize overcoming every type of objection the better you become in each subsequent attempt at getting business.

            And keep in mind one basic sales tenant that a lot of people never understand... you have to go through a lot of "no's" before you get to a yes. Just generate more people saying no and you'll end up getting a yes sooner or later.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
          Originally Posted by jamesburchill View Post

          Lexicon555

          You didn't mention you were trying to sell to Brits!!! As an expat from the UK now living in Canada I can officially say that English people are barking mad... Just ask my family, they still live in the South West - LOL !!

          But seriously, nothing changes now that I know you're in the UK. The same advice applies. Use webinars, NOT reports. Keep up the mystique. Don't let them get access to your reports ... trust me when I say they'll shop it around to their nephew who can do websites, their web designer, their monkey's uncle.

          Keep your intellectual property under tight wraps UNTIL you've got them onboard. Trust is earned, you'll keep getting hosed if you are too open with your materials. I know... I have a PHD in getting my *ss kicked ;-)

          Yup, I learned the hard way.
          Haha funny stuff. Yes the reserved Brits, hopefully that doesn't put me at too much of a disadvantage!

          Ill definately treat my research as more of an asset now, cheers!

          Originally Posted by Maverick_ View Post

          Here's what I do:

          I create a 30 second commercial for them and get it ranked front page in google. For free...


          They're usually ecstatic about it and brag to their friends, etc...

          Then 1 of 3 things usually happen.

          1. It falls off the front page of Google and they wonder why. I then pitch them the full service at $2500 upfront and 250 recurring a month. Or $400 / month for a 1 year closed contract.

          2. They ask me how much it costs for the full service and want to go full out.

          3. They lose interest.

          Our conversion rates are VERY high and our customers are VERY happy.

          I'm also in the process of creating a mini-marketing course to give them for free on what they can do to optimize their business TODAY for search engines.

          So far things have been going swimmingly.

          Cheers
          - Adam

          EDIT: Here is a google search of one of the videos we did for a third party containment prospect that turned into a client. We're in production right now.

          kansas third party containment - Google Search
          What a clever idea mate, do they usually get leads or traffic for something like that as a result?

          Great advice and something i will definately try.
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        • Profile picture of the author Nolan
          Jamesburchill made a great point about not selling SEO services. As an egghead marketer I often forget that SEO is rocket science to the average offline business owner. I always figure when I get a new idea for an online service that all the business owners will instantly see the light and understand why my method beats out the competition.

          I think the mistake us marketers often make is selling the features of the services we sell and not the benefit. As one selling SEO you can do a LOT to help a business to get new customers. You can help them a lot better than your average ad sales rep could. Yet if the ad salesman is able to better communicate how his ad services will bring in new business (even if it will not) then his pitch will beat the SEO salesman's everytime.

          I've noticed they just want some techno weenie to work his "magic" and POOF, customers. As soon as you go into anything about the details of why your SEO technique is better their eyes start to glaze over. Give them the magic pill.

          Steve it's really cool that you are getting on the phone and talking with these business owners. One thing that might help is implementing a unique selling proposition for your SEO business if you haven't yet. With the competition heating up in SEO it would be great for you to have something that nobody else can offer. Or maybe it is something everyone offers but never explains to the customer in a way that they understand. Maybe a guarantee? Maybe until you get a USP talk about how other companies outsource but with your company the business will get to work directly with the owner.

          A friend of mine has an SEO company that only deals with outdoor related businesses. That is his USP. He services a unique market. Same SEO services as his competition but business is booming for him.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
            Originally Posted by Nolan View Post

            Jamesburchill made a great point about not selling SEO services. As an egghead marketer I often forget that SEO is rocket science to the average offline business owner. I always figure when I get a new idea for an online service that all the business owners will instantly see the light and understand why my method beats out the competition.

            I think the mistake us marketers often make is selling the features of the services we sell and not the benefit. As one selling SEO you can do a LOT to help a business to get new customers. You can help them a lot better than your average ad sales rep could. Yet if the ad salesman is able to better communicate how his ad services will bring in new business (even if it will not) then his pitch will beat the SEO salesman's everytime.

            I've noticed they just want some techno weenie to work his "magic" and POOF, customers. As soon as you go into anything about the details of why your SEO technique is better their eyes start to glaze over. Give them the magic pill.

            Steve it's really cool that you are getting on the phone and talking with these business owners. One thing that might help is implementing a unique selling proposition for your SEO business if you haven't yet. With the competition heating up in SEO it would be great for you to have something that nobody else can offer. Or maybe it is something everyone offers but never explains to the customer in a way that they understand. Maybe a guarantee? Maybe until you get a USP talk about how other companies outsource but with your company the business will get to work directly with the owner.

            A friend of mine has an SEO company that only deals with outdoor related businesses. That is his USP. He services a unique market. Same SEO services as his competition but business is booming for him.
            Yeh Nolan it's all about that competitive edge. I think that especially with something like this, people only believe what they see.

            Something i am sure they would love to see would be them at the top of Google with their own advert, which thanks to Maverick issomething I will be trying asap.

            If you are still reading this thread Maverick do you contact the business first or rank and then nonsulantly call up when it is top of Google and say if interested give me a call?

            Thanks all - god this forum is good
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            • Profile picture of the author Adam Nolan
              Originally Posted by lexicon555 View Post

              If you are still reading this thread Maverick do you contact the business first or rank and then nonsulantly call up when it is top of Google and say if interested give me a call?
              What I do is usually send an e-mail out to all the websites on the first 3 pages of Google telling them I'll do it for 1 company for free and the first one that responds will get it.

              I also mention that it will bump everyone else down a few spots... people will do more to avoid pain than gain pleasure. So it's double the motivation to contact me NOW.

              In the email I also include tons of testimonials.

              So no, I don't get it ranked first and then contact them. Because what if there's the off chance that nobody responds? I'll have wasted my time.

              Cheerio
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              • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
                thanks all some really great stuff here

                Thanks for all your help and advice Maverick on here and in PM's

                Much appreciated , really is.

                To everyone else i know other people are reading this and taking note so keep the advice coming.

                Great points TimCastleMan - get out there and do something - be active

                I always say that success is motivation intelligently applied, you can know all the stuff in the world but if you don't apply it...

                I'll let you know what i do on day 2 then.. until then please keep the comments and advice coming.
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                • Profile picture of the author freedomguy
                  From a fellow Brit

                  Offer to do a free presentation or briefing on 'Getting your website found' for your local Chamber of Commerce. They will market the event to their members, you just turn up and tell them how to get visitors to their website! Be professional but not too 'techie'. I've been doing these regularly for almost ten years now and the demand just grows and grows. All Chambers in the East Midlands are doing these events now with myself and a number of colleagues presenting. There are waiting lists to attend these events and we're all getting all the local SEO and PPC work we want as a result. We also get invited to do presentations to other organisations as a result of this exposure.

                  Much more effective than hammering away at the phone, UK businesses hate sales calls. (Most of them hate selling of any kind, beats me where they get their business from!!)

                  Cheers mate & good luck

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        • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
          Better yet, target the business you want to get as a client and make the 30 second commercial before even contacting them.

          When it ranks then call them and say, you found them because of the commercial you saw on the first page of Google.

          For even more impact if your pretty sure they'll get some calls about it from prospective customers then do minimal SEO to try and keep it ranked.

          Then call them. Can you say, Done deal?

          It has a deep and profound psychological effect on some one when the product or service you want them to buy is already created for them in advance.

          I have over 25 years of face to face selling and I can tell you from 1000's of sales calls it's much easier to get the business by delivering the service first, then convincing them that they need something they don't have yet.

          If the OP or ANYONE on this thread would like some pointers in face to face sales feel free to PM me and I'll help as much as I can.

          Originally Posted by Maverick_ View Post

          Here's what I do:

          I create a 30 second commercial for them and get it ranked front page in google. For free...


          They're usually ecstatic about it and brag to their friends, etc...

          Then 1 of 3 things usually happen.

          1. It falls off the front page of Google and they wonder why. I then pitch them the full service at $2500 upfront and 250 recurring a month. Or $400 / month for a 1 year closed contract.

          2. They ask me how much it costs for the full service and want to go full out.

          3. They lose interest.

          Our conversion rates are VERY high and our customers are VERY happy.

          I'm also in the process of creating a mini-marketing course to give them for free on what they can do to optimize their business TODAY for search engines.

          So far things have been going swimmingly.

          Cheers
          - Adam

          EDIT: Here is a google search of one of the videos we did for a third party containment prospect that turned into a client. We're in production right now.

          kansas third party containment - Google Search
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          • Profile picture of the author Adam Nolan
            Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

            Better yet, target the business you want to get as a client and make the 30 second commercial before even contacting them.

            When it ranks then call them and say, you found them because of the commercial you saw on the first page of Google.

            For even more impact if your pretty sure they'll get some calls about it from prospective customers then do minimal SEO to try and keep it ranked.

            Then call them. Can you say, Done deal?

            It has a deep and profound psychological effect on some one when the product or service you want them to buy is already created for them in advance.

            I have over 25 years of face to face selling and I can tell you from 1000's of sales calls it's much easier to get the business by delivering the service first, then convincing them that they need something they don't have yet.

            If the OP or ANYONE on this thread would like some pointers in face to face sales feel free to PM me and I'll help as much as I can.
            I've done that with some success... I'm sitting on the fence somewhat.

            On the upside - It allows me to test the market to see how easy it is to rank for those keywords.

            On the downside - If i'm contacting 30 businesses for that 1 idea it would take me 15hrs to create all 30 videos which would be competing for each other. So it would have to be generic.

            Then I can just auction off the service.

            But I do see our point! It's something that's still worth split testing. Just wish work wasn't so busy!

            Funny I got into internet marketing so i'd work less! Now i'm up at 7:30 am every day working well into the evening.

            Oh well... price of wealth.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesburchill
    This is a massive opportunity, I consult/coach in it a great deal and while I will not disclose the precise amounts of the retainers I am paid, I will say that they are "healthy 4 figure sums", it's rare to get a 5-figure retainer although I did once (*sigh*)

    Now, that being said the angle (if you will) is LOCAL SEARCH not "local seo", too much confusion around seo. Better to ride the wave created by Google and other major players creating awareness in the local search/mobile field.

    *Hint* Think mobile. Think geo aware PDA's, cell phones, iPhones and more.

    It's not worth the effort to educate at this stage, you're simply helping the competition. Better to attract the ones that "get it" and then offer them a variety of packaged service options.

    The way to bring them to you is simple enough, webinars. Develop your pitch and your presentation and run webinars regularly. Webinars are powerful (which is why GTW just jacked their fees!)

    Moreover, you want to attract NOT chase. If you come off as an "seo salesman" you basically are positioning yourself like every other player selling a commodity in the seo shell game. DON'T DO IT. It's a race to the bottom...

    Position yourself as an expert offering free training (webinars.) Deliver useful but incomplete sessions. Talk about the "big boys" ... borrow their social proof and authority. Do not try and swim up stream. Don't reinvent the wheel.

    What else can I tell you...

    Yes, do your research on local search. There's lots of great information out there, some free, some you'll have to pay for. I invested a few hundred dollars and got so much information it was great. I then turned around and provided it through consulting and coaching for 25X what I paid for it.

    I suggest you drop by my blog and read some of the articles on this subject.

    All the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cynthia A.
    Check out this thread to see how some are doing this

    Cynthia
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
    Thanks to everyone replying, really is helpful.

    Like i say today was my first day selling but ill get my first client doing so if it kills me
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  • Profile picture of the author GoGetta
    Awesome for taking action using the phone, it works, just needs practice thats all!

    The most powerful thing you can do regarding selling SEO is to try and get the business owner in front of a PC.

    If they are busy, just ask them for a convenient time that you can call back when thye can be in front of a PC and you will show them how they are missing out on a wealth of business leads, and how you can show them proof of this!

    When you have them in front of the PC, your job becomes EASY! SERIOUSLY!

    You can show them analytics, get them to perform searches and witness their competitors sitting high and mighty and then explain how you can help them compete and take over the top pages!

    If you have an example of your work, show them as this will help convince them you can do the job you are talking about, PROOF!

    Just keep going, the more numbers you hit, the more opportunities and the more your name and company name spreads!

    Good luck!

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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
      Cheers dude! doubt my beatles voice helps though! haha
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    I have been selling Internet Marketing to businesses for over 2 years now.
    Here is page I send them.
    My Business Marketing - My Business Marketing

    I charge $2,500.00 for complete package. The website and graphics explain the services.
    It closes sales by itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nic Lynn
    This may sound harsh, but you set yourself up for failure right out of the gate...

    First, you tried to sell "SEO services." That's like a Girl Scout coming to my door to sell me a "box of enriched flour." You've picked the wrong pitch.

    Second, you tried to convince them on the phone of the importance of what you are trying to peddle. You aren't going to do this in 180 seconds. Your job on the phone is to buy yourself more time.. preferably with an in-person appointment (or to get their attendance at a seminar or a webinar or their permission to email them a report, etc).

    Make a couple of basic adjustments and you will be successful in no time!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author W2L
    If you are cold calling you need to work on your pitch which has to be both informative and will leave them craving for more info. Pay attention to those "Dean Graziozzi" or however the heck it is spelled ... videos and take some notes.. now if you are a pro cold caller or if you have had real estate experience then the answer is ... get a better pitch.

    And remember when u r on the phone get yourself in the right state of mind and always be closing!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
      Originally Posted by freedomguy View Post

      From a fellow Brit

      Offer to do a free presentation or briefing on 'Getting your website found' for your local Chamber of Commerce. They will market the event to their members, you just turn up and tell them how to get visitors to their website! Be professional but not too 'techie'. I've been doing these regularly for almost ten years now and the demand just grows and grows. All Chambers in the East Midlands are doing these events now with myself and a number of colleagues presenting. There are waiting lists to attend these events and we're all getting all the local SEO and PPC work we want as a result. We also get invited to do presentations to other organisations as a result of this exposure.

      Much more effective than hammering away at the phone, UK businesses hate sales calls. (Most of them hate selling of any kind, beats me where they get their business from!!)

      Cheers mate & good luck

      John
      Great advice John, thanks. It seems the popular concensus is i need to give something away for free.
      Originally Posted by laffan66 View Post

      you need some online tools to help you and good information about internetmarketing so you can show them that you are expert.

      that's my two cent.

      Abdulla
      SEO isnt the problem, ive ranked for some very, very competitive terms. Ive done one off seo for people ive done web design for and i did so cheaply. This was as i was starting off, alot of these people are snowed under with work like builders and movers.

      I have a testimonial page on my site now which is Prismmedia.co.uk but im not sure how impressive the seo achievements are. Sure they have helped their business but they are small, i guess it's just about building up!

      Originally Posted by Nic Lynn View Post

      This may sound harsh, but you set yourself up for failure right out of the gate...

      First, you tried to sell "SEO services." That's like a Girl Scout coming to my door to sell me a "box of enriched flour." You've picked the wrong pitch.

      Second, you tried to convince them on the phone of the importance of what you are trying to peddle. You aren't going to do this in 180 seconds. Your job on the phone is to buy yourself more time.. preferably with an in-person appointment (or to get their attendance at a seminar or a webinar or their permission to email them a report, etc).

      Make a couple of basic adjustments and you will be successful in no time!!!
      If it's constructive - give me harsh! I don't care as long as there's some sort of benefit to it. Words dont change reality, merely perception of it - what already is...is and if it isnt then it doesnt really matter

      Thanks for the imput - i believe i got your ebook last week so thanks for that good read!
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  • Profile picture of the author cjed2061
    Explain to them how much money you can save them by not relying on PPC so much. I did that with a local small business I work for. They were quite excited.
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    • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
      Originally Posted by cjed2061 View Post

      Explain to them how much money you can save them by not relying on PPC so much. I did that with a local small business I work for. They were quite excited.
      This is always a great way in. I sometimes tell people that we "help companies that are sick of spending a ton of money on PPC and not getting the results they expected"...

      If they respond to that and tell me there is an issue, then we can start talking about alternative ways of getting traffic to the site. SEO obviously being the biggy.

      But what you need to remember in offline sales is 'don't give them information, just learn to ask better questions'.

      I have learned that if you are talking, you aren't selling.

      Does that make sense?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Dude, you still interested in that "monthly client slapping service" I mentioned earlier?
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  • Profile picture of the author fasteasysuccess
    Positioning and marketing is key. You need to become the one they are calling.
    You want to spend you're time only with people who want what you have.

    I provide marketing consulting, seo, and copywriting to clients nationwide and 99% of them never met in person.

    If you want local then the chambers, rotary club, or any other group you can get in front of is great if you present yourself as the expert and educator not the salesman trying to pitch.

    When I have done local presentations provided reports(my sales letter) at the end with my business cards as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicky Papers
    The hardest part about selling SEO services is working with people who have no idea what it is that you do. I usually charge between $525-$750 per month behind a retainer for Internet marketing services that drive revenue to companies.

    The challenges I've faced are dealing with "Deb" the receptionist who handles "the books", "all operations", and and all critical decisions. Also the business owner starts off strong and does not provide info along the way that they promised they'd give you.

    Weeks can go by in the development phase before you even get to on-going SEO.

    I much prefer transactional sales. : )
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  • Profile picture of the author agent13mp
    great conversation, i totally agree offline methods completely underrated
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    • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
      I am sending this out to my list tomorrow but here is an email I got from an SEO company and how I responded. Warning funny language ahead. If you're offended don't read.
      A few days ago I got this spam email in my inbox:

      Dear Tim

      With your permission, we would like to show you
      how to get better positioning on the web. If you are
      interested, reply us today for a free web-site
      review.

      Sincerely,

      Sheryl Hutton
      Front Line Marketing

      Below is my response and a good marketing lesson to boot. Never forget what is in it for me is the key when it comes to sending out emails or business in general. Looks folks here's a little secret- this isn't rocket science - show people what is in it for them (appeal to their greed - more customers, less cost, trackability, etc) and let them know how you can help them accomplish all this with as little work on their part as possible.

      Anyway here is my response. My comments are in bold.

      Dear Sheryl -

      Thanks so much for your email.

      I would love to know more about helping my website improve.

      Since I am an internet consultant I figured I'd help you out a little by helping you craft a better email.

      I mean, seriously, look at your email - it really gives me no reason to respond. There are no benefits, no reason why it is important to contact you and worst of all no time cut off to get a lazy SOB like me to respond.

      Lets look at it more in depth shall we.

      With your permission, we would like to show you
      how to get better positioning on the web.

      What the hell is positioning? Are you making a joke about my sex life here? Have you been talking to my wife?

      I like the whole with your permission (I didn't give you permission to email me though but give me a reason why my positioning is import.

      Jazz hands it up for me a little. I mean come on Sheryl did you know that 80% of the people searching at any given time on the internet are looking to buy something? That stat is 100% correct 50% of the time, btw.

      What about the benefits of being able to reduce my advertising cost in other areas - like the yellow pages, newspaper, etc.

      What about the fact you can track where my customers come from online and unlike other, more expensive media, I can show what my money online brings me.

      Or what about the fact that I can change my website at a moments notice to reflect a new line of clothing or different service I now provide that maybe I didn't provide when I placed my yellow page ad.

      Remember Sheryl, it's all about what is in it for me. Tell me how I can save time, money, or both and I'll have your children for you.

      If you are
      interested, reply us today for a free web-site
      review.

      If I'm interested? Gag me with stick. How about this instead:

      I am sending this email to you but I am limited in the number of new clients I can take on in a month. I currently have 5 spots left and since I am sending this email to you and a million other people today you better move your sweet ass to get one of the spots. I'm not kidding - this is going faster than kids at a Michael Jackson party. Ok maybe not that fast since he's dead now but you get the idea.

      See what that does? First it makes me do the Thriller Dance then it makes me get off my ass and contact you because it is a LIMITED TIME OFFER. That is what people need to know along with the fact that there are more bodies than seats.

      Sincerely,
      Sheryl Hutton
      Front Line Marketing


      In short Sheryl - your email sucks, mine rocks. Bet if you tested it you'd see a big increase in responses - or maybe just a few more album sales for the King of Pop.


      Either way it's a winner.


      Tim Castleman
      Backdoor Marketing



      It's been a few days and still no response back from Sheryl.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Dude theres some really great answers in here.

    Once you streamline this method - bundle it - then sell it as an info product for $1,997.

    Would be worth it all day, especially knowing that it has the potential to make 5 figures a month.
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      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Dude theres some really great answers in here.

      Once you streamline this method - bundle it - then sell it as an info product for $1,997.

      Would be worth it all day, especially knowing that it has the potential to make 5 figures a month.
      LOL! GET OUTTA MY HEAD!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Trivum
    It seems I can't post links yet, but this is a good place if you're into local businesses: www(.)localbizbuilders(.)com/forums/

    Lots of info and ideas there.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    Originally Posted by lexicon555 View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    Phew! I have been on the phone all day trying to get people to understand the importance of SEO for their business, you would think i was selling a dead horse to them.

    Is there anything i can do to get local business to open their eyes? A marketing technique, maybe certain things i need to say on the phone?

    You have 2 main problems:

    # 1: By approaching your calls this way you're positioning yourself as a salesperson.

    Business owners and their staff HATE having sales people calling them on the phone.

    How much do you like cold calls at your home?

    Think of that and then think about the fact that a business might get 5-20 times the cold calls that you get at your home.

    In many cases they'll get called several times a day by people trying to flog them something they don't need.

    So obviously you don't want to sound or act anything like the other people making those cold calls.


    # 2: Your focus is on what YOU want...selling SEO to local business.

    Understand that to a business owner in most cases SEO has NO VALUE WHATSOEVER.

    He doesn't wake up in the morning thinking..."I have $6,500 in overheads to cover this week...I think I need some more SEO."

    He doesn't stand in his empty business thinking..."Gee business is quiet today. I know...SEO...that will get them in here."

    He doesn't look at a pile of some high priced, high net profit line that he'd like to sell and think "This product could make me so much money if it would just move a little faster. I know...SEO could do that for me!"


    Now if you're smart you understand that and outstanding SEO campaign could conceivably do all those things for a business owner but he's not going to listen to a word out of your mouth after you mention website optimization or anything along those lines because....

    YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING HIS LANGUAGE!


    I'm not going to try to explain this in depth because just this topic would require literrally tens of thousands of words to cover (we actually have that level of knowledge on the topic indexed in our resources section at OfflineBiz.com).

    But to give you the short course there are two main secrets to talking to a business owner:


    # 1: Position yourself as a fellow business owner.

    Business owners love talking to other business owners.

    (Just in case you're confused about this if you're supplying services to businesses and you're not an employee of anyone then you do have your own business. And to a business owner with massive overheads you may have the ideal business too...a business that is almost entirely income and profit).

    In many cases you can just leave a message with a staff member saying you're xxx the owner of xxx business and you have an idea that might be valuable to him.

    Most business owners will call back or talk to you then and there.


    # 2: Start out by asking questions based around THEIR business.

    Gather information then when you start making suggestions about how you might help them you already know how they're making their profits now, what products make them the most money, what they want and the things that are important to them.

    Then you're not talking about SEO, you're talking about helping them make more sales and profits...and EVERY business owner speaks that language!


    Kindest regards,
    Andrew Cavanagh
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    • Profile picture of the author Caro
      Andrew makes some great points!

      Just like with Internet Marketing - when we are wanting to convert a prospect to a customer - it's about communicating the benefits.

      So too with an Offline Client.

      It's not about us, it's about them.

      You have to speak their language.

      I always do research on the business before I approach them. And it's also important to not then position yourself as an expert in their field - you're an expert in yours. It's more that you are wanting to understand their field more. So asking lots of questions is great - people LOVE to talk about themselves.

      As commented - it is about the bottom line and improving that for them. Sales & Profits. And how can you help them?

      I go by a few simple 'mantras':

      a) What's in it for them?

      b) Seek to Understand in order to be Understood

      c) Communicate so you are heard.

      So I will do research. I will ask questions - as the power is with the person who asks the questions, not with the person making the statements!

      And I listen intently to understand their world more. To speak their language/ learn their style.

      As it's not about me - it's about them. Once I've connected with them based on what's important to them - they become interested in me.

      For example, apart from all pretty much wanting bottom line results - some profile types are very much into detail, others want the top line. When you listen to how they express themselves, what's important to them - then you start to get a feel for what their drivers are.

      And for that initial 'first contact' - as stated it's not about all you know etc, it's about the results you could get for them. Bottom line stuff.

      There is so much more to Offline Client Service & Marketing than just the IM services you can offer. The Client Service itself is just as important.

      And it's another skill set to learn, along with understanding how the Local IM process works for them.

      Caro :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Thats awesome advice Andrew. By the way, are you Davids bro?
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  • Profile picture of the author Craig McPherson
    Once again, Mr Cavanagh, you come up with a first class posts.
    Cheers mate
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    Stop trying to sell SEO. Sell more customers and revenue increases.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
    First, unless you're a superstar salesman, cold calling can have the lowest return for the time invested in it of all prospecting methods. That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it - it just means you'll have to face a lot of rejection.

    Second, study the posts above concerning positioning. Good positioning usually means the difference between a door in the backside and a check in your hand. If you're a consultant, you need to demonstrate that your main focus is helping their business. When you reach that point, your fee is just an understood.

    Here's an example:

    I just met with a prospect and my very first questions were concerning his company's ability to handle a potential surge in business. Given the nature of his business, that's a real concern - more clients served poorly doesn't help him at all. We spent a good 30 minutes talking about this. He was thinking about results (benefits) from the second we started talking.

    How do you think that positions me versus someone who blindly calls offering SEO services, for example?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
      Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

      You have 2 main problems:

      # 1: By approaching your calls this way you're positioning yourself as a salesperson.

      Business owners and their staff HATE having sales people calling them on the phone.

      How much do you like cold calls at your home?

      Think of that and then think about the fact that a business might get 5-20 times the cold calls that you get at your home.

      In many cases they'll get called several times a day by people trying to flog them something they don't need.

      So obviously you don't want to sound or act anything like the other people making those cold calls.


      # 2: Your focus is on what YOU want...selling SEO to local business.

      Understand that to a business owner in most cases SEO has NO VALUE WHATSOEVER.

      He doesn't wake up in the morning thinking..."I have $6,500 in overheads to cover this week...I think I need some more SEO."

      He doesn't stand in his empty business thinking..."Gee business is quiet today. I know...SEO...that will get them in here."

      He doesn't look at a pile of some high priced, high net profit line that he'd like to sell and think "This product could make me so much money if it would just move a little faster. I know...SEO could do that for me!"


      Now if you're smart you understand that and outstanding SEO campaign could conceivably do all those things for a business owner but he's not going to listen to a word out of your mouth after you mention website optimization or anything along those lines because....

      YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING HIS LANGUAGE!


      I'm not going to try to explain this in depth because just this topic would require literrally tens of thousands of words to cover (we actually have that level of knowledge on the topic indexed in our resources section at OfflineBiz.com).

      But to give you the short course there are two main secrets to talking to a business owner:


      # 1: Position yourself as a fellow business owner.

      Business owners love talking to other business owners.

      (Just in case you're confused about this if you're supplying services to businesses and you're not an employee of anyone then you do have your own business. And to a business owner with massive overheads you may have the ideal business too...a business that is almost entirely income and profit).

      In many cases you can just leave a message with a staff member saying you're xxx the owner of xxx business and you have an idea that might be valuable to him.

      Most business owners will call back or talk to you then and there.


      # 2: Start out by asking questions based around THEIR business.

      Gather information then when you start making suggestions about how you might help them you already know how they're making their profits now, what products make them the most money, what they want and the things that are important to them.

      Then you're not talking about SEO, you're talking about helping them make more sales and profits...and EVERY business owner speaks that language!


      Kindest regards,
      Andrew Cavanagh
      Hi Andrew thanks for the great post. I might quote it in the op for everyone to view.

      Originally Posted by Caro :-) View Post

      Andrew makes some great points!

      Just like with Internet Marketing - when we are wanting to convert a prospect to a customer - it's about communicating the benefits.

      So too with an Offline Client.

      It's not about us, it's about them.

      You have to speak their language.

      I always do research on the business before I approach them. And it's also important to not then position yourself as an expert in their field - you're an expert in yours. It's more that you are wanting to understand their field more. So asking lots of questions is great - people LOVE to talk about themselves.

      As commented - it is about the bottom line and improving that for them. Sales & Profits. And how can you help them?

      I go by a few simple 'mantras':

      a) What's in it for them?

      b) Seek to Understand in order to be Understood

      c) Communicate so you are heard.

      So I will do research. I will ask questions - as the power is with the person who asks the questions, not with the person making the statements!

      And I listen intently to understand their world more. To speak their language/ learn their style.

      As it's not about me - it's about them. Once I've connected with them based on what's important to them - they become interested in me.

      For example, apart from all pretty much wanting bottom line results - some profile types are very much into detail, others want the top line. When you listen to how they express themselves, what's important to them - then you start to get a feel for what their drivers are.

      And for that initial 'first contact' - as stated it's not about all you know etc, it's about the results you could get for them. Bottom line stuff.

      There is so much more to Offline Client Service & Marketing than just the IM services you can offer. The Client Service itself is just as important.

      And it's another skill set to learn, along with understanding how the Local IM process works for them.

      Caro :-)
      Hi Caro! Good to see a 30dcer here

      Originally Posted by Kelly Verge View Post

      First, unless you're a superstar salesman, cold calling can have the lowest return for the time invested in it of all prospecting methods. That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it - it just means you'll have to face a lot of rejection.
      That just sounds like a good friday night :rolleyes:

      Some really valuable posts here and im sure im not the only one benefiting. Havent been on the phone today at all, will be working on my "positioning" instead. Why should they get to work with me?

      I have been thinking it may be good to do something for free for a client, get results and they can pay from then on to get myself a portfolio, but wanted to ask what would be a good industry to start in.

      What industry would the owner brag about this internet guy who has done wanders for his business so people are contacting me like so many of you talk about?

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author AllanWard
    I run a financial planning business and have recently had a company email me offerring SEO and AdWords services. In their emails they've talked about how they've helped other companies rank better on Google and have posted links to videos showing how local search works. They give enough information to sell the benefits, but don't provide any real content that I can use. The intention is that it drives customers to call them to talk further.

    If I were doing it, here's how I'd go about it.

    Firstly, I'd target specific niches. Preferably ones where they are offline businesses that sell a product or service that is highly priced. If they need to get less sales to cover the cost of your services, that reduces the risk to them than if they needed to get 50 new clients to cover the cost.

    Secondly, I'd learn everything I could about the struggles, challenges and opportunities facing that industry. And I'd find people who are using the web already to generate clients.

    Thirdly, I'd produce a brochure / white paper / report that outlines cutting edge strategies that businesses in this niche are using to get new clients - of course it will be about the internet.

    Find any trade journals / magazines etc and try and get guest articles. In my industry the journals are always looking out for fresh content.

    Do whatever you need to do to get some initial clients. Write up their stories as case studies - they may like the peer recognition it brings. Also, ask them for referrals - old fashioned, but it works.

    Build some buzz around your services. Offer to speak at events for free, do webinars, podcasts, videos etc. Remember, these people probably aren't actively searching for your services so they won't go Googling looking for you. You need to get their attention and direct them to your services.

    As others have mentioned, sell the benefits. A difficult thing is to quantify the benefits, not just in financial terms, but also the non-financial benefits. Another important thing when selling a service is to reduce the perceived risk to the client. Offer guarantees (around things you can control) etc.

    Hope this is helpful. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author MATTYLLL
    This is such a great area of business. One that can quickly make you a significant recurring income stream.

    I've followed the responses on this post with great interest and there have been some strong ideas which have been proposed.

    Personally I align myself with business consultants, who provide introductions to clients. This has worked extremely well for me over the past few years. These guys are all looking to make a fast buck and as long as you can pass yourself off to be a "strategic" business partner this approach will work.

    Keep the ideas coming as it's certainly stimulating some thoughts from me.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Dhira
      Originally Posted by lexicon555 View Post

      To everyone else i know other people are reading this and taking note so keep the advice coming.
      Hell yeah... I know I am.

      THis is a great thread. Props to all contributors. I think I'm moving my offline plans from the backburner to the front...
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
        Originally Posted by freelance4money View Post

        This is always a great way in. I sometimes tell people that we "help companies that are sick of spending a ton of money on PPC and not getting the results they expected"...

        If they respond to that and tell me there is an issue, then we can start talking about alternative ways of getting traffic to the site. SEO obviously being the biggy.

        But what you need to remember in offline sales is 'don't give them information, just learn to ask better questions'.

        I have learned that if you are talking, you aren't selling.

        Does that make sense?
        Won't that mean they are alot more apprehensive when you come along talking about "that there internet"? Seems strange to me that so many people just don't consider what they could be doing online.

        I'm learning alot more about offline consulting and marketing strategy's too, so i think finding a synergy between basic business principles which i studied in college anyway and internet marketing will be easy.

        The problem is having these decision makers such as doctors listening to what you say. How do you get your foot in the door?

        Do you find an ideal market, recurring customer high value sales etc and then just email them offering your services? If so what is the best copy to use? etc etc

        That is what I'm stuck on currently but i know i'll find a good way of doing it. I'd prefer to avoid giving "talks" until i have experience due to the prejedices that will undoubtedly go with my age (22).
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        • Profile picture of the author AllanWard
          I think many people automatically think that because they're selling internet / web services, they have to do the bulk of the selling via electronic means. I know in many service industries people talk to each other, and word of mouth is very popular. Once your foot is in the door and people start talking about what you do, the referrals should follow.

          The difficulty could be in what you promise. You can't meet with ten heart surgeons in your local area and promise you'll get them all onto the number one search result in Google. But heart surgeons know other specialists in related fields.

          Also, pitch your services at people who are already interested in using the internet for marketing. In the financial planning industry, a lot of the business owners are in their 50's and not very technologically interested. Their business comes mainly via WOM so they don't have much interest in using the internet to market (their loss, my gain). On the other hand, I've got a friend who is a wedding photographer, and she and many of her peers are using the internet as a powerful way to display the quality of their work.

          Another suggestion I've toyed with doing is to buy relevant domains i.e. www. weddingphotography (insert city name) dot com. Get this domain onto page 1 of Google, get traffic to it and offer to sell advertising space to businesses on a one month basis. If you're a wedding photographer, all you need is one new client to come via that web site, and you've covered your advertising costs. Once they see what you've done with a new domain, they may be more interested in getting you to help with their existing domain.

          Also, don't let your age get in the way. I think many people imagine the stereotypical computer geek to be young (I'm not saying you're a geek). AS long as you dress well, have a good image and do what you promise to do, you shouldn't have any problems.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
            Originally Posted by AllanWard View Post

            I think many people automatically think that because they're selling internet / web services, they have to do the bulk of the selling via electronic means. I know in many service industries people talk to each other, and word of mouth is very popular. Once your foot is in the door and people start talking about what you do, the referrals should follow.

            The difficulty could be in what you promise. You can't meet with ten heart surgeons in your local area and promise you'll get them all onto the number one search result in Google. But heart surgeons know other specialists in related fields.

            Also, pitch your services at people who are already interested in using the internet for marketing. In the financial planning industry, a lot of the business owners are in their 50's and not very technologically interested. Their business comes mainly via WOM so they don't have much interest in using the internet to market (their loss, my gain). On the other hand, I've got a friend who is a wedding photographer, and she and many of her peers are using the internet as a powerful way to display the quality of their work.

            Another suggestion I've toyed with doing is to buy relevant domains i.e. www. weddingphotography (insert city name) dot com. Get this domain onto page 1 of Google, get traffic to it and offer to sell advertising space to businesses on a one month basis. If you're a wedding photographer, all you need is one new client to come via that web site, and you've covered your advertising costs. Once they see what you've done with a new domain, they may be more interested in getting you to help with their existing domain.

            Also, don't let your age get in the way. I think many people imagine the stereotypical computer geek to be young (I'm not saying you're a geek). AS long as you dress well, have a good image and do what you promise to do, you shouldn't have any problems.
            Lol thanks for the advice, geek part made me laugh

            Im toying with the idea of emailing a market eg plumbers in a city, saying first to respond gets a free commercial ( as Maverick suggested in this thread). I will then get that ranked for free and re contact everone showing them the results - then wait for responses.

            Like you say, once you have results for someone referrals come and age becomes obsolute, all that matter are results.

            Has anyone had success getting clients yet?
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  • Profile picture of the author marketingguy2
    I have not taken the time to read all the comments that you have gotten but here is one idea from me. Join your local Chamber of Commerce and offer to do a power point class to teach business owners how to do it their self. When y they see how much work and time it takes they will be more apt to hire you to do it for them.
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    • Profile picture of the author jamesburchill
      Originally Posted by marketingguy2 View Post

      I have not taken the time to read all the comments that you have gotten but here is one idea from me. Join your local Chamber of Commerce and offer to do a power point class to teach business owners how to do it their self. When y they see how much work and time it takes they will be more apt to hire you to do it for them.
      Shhhh! don't give away all "our" secrets

      Those of us who live betwixt the nether worlds of offline and online use such "devious" tactics all the time.

      Of course I am joking (wink), this tactic works wonders and I use it extensively. When you give openly and teach people how to do this, they really do realize just how much skill (and time) is involved and they will normally want you to do it for them because (a) they saw that you know what you're doing and (b) they feel indebted to you for "teaching" them how.

      *evil chuckle*
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimian
    There's better ways to break the ice... decent sales letter or postcards.
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