Another Offline Marketing Income Stream...

by Jagged
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Started doing this a few months ago....figured I'd let it ride a little to see what came of it after time. It's not a main source of income idea, but it's an additional stream to put in the mix.....

There is a lot of focus on "landing the big fish" lately in offline marketing, but someone's got to look after the small businesses too.

A little background history is in order to understand how I fell into this...

We were selling our house. It came time to look for a new home....in our searches we noticed a ton of "for sale by owner" (FSBO) homes. Some of these we looked into. In doing so we talked to a lot of these homeowners. We discussed some selling points that helped us sell our home fast (many of these FSBO homes were on the market for well over a year). The main thing that helped us was a well managed MLS listing...in addition to a website I created on my own, with solid SEO. Talking to these FSBO home owners one thing kept standing out....none had a good listing or any kind of "online presence".....most are relying on a sign out front, some "take one" flyers & word of mouth... No wonder it was taking so long to sell these homes when we sold ours in just under 60 days...

I got to thinking.....why can't I make some simple one-two page real estate type websites & offer them to all these FSBO home owners who are in desperate need to get their homes seen....would be simple enough to do. Wordpress has some good free real estate themes that have easy photo galleries & home listing info....& it's easy enough to build HTML sites....SO, I began putting some together.

Next step was to get some interest in these templates. I put together a website & got a good keyword filled domain name for the FSBO niche....gave it some solid SEO (wasn't hard since most other sites in that niche had crappy SEO...lol) It took 3 days to put together 10 1-2 page HTML template sites & 5 wordpress theme sites. I priced them low, knowing most of these home owners had a budget of $0. $100 for a 1 page, $150 for 2 pages + hosting cost.

I called some of the FSBO home owners I spoke with & offered them a site. Most took the offer.....I contacted a lot of home owner associations who posted my info at their offices & websites. I posted in many real estate forums & blogs. I also made good use of craigslist. The websites were a big hit & the money I was making from hosting accounts was beginning to pile up.....orders also started coming in from regular home owners who wanted to do what I did, have my MSL listing plus a website on the side....even some orders from real estate agents who wanted to use my templates for easy posting on craigslist...

All in all it took me a just over of a week (8 days) to put together these sites, my site & get them marketed....to date I have sold over 210 one page templates & 118 2 page templates (since late October 2009).....pocketing me in excess of $38,000 in 5 months....+ another $6000+ in hosting fees.....not bad for a long weeks work...plus, it's basically on autopilot now. (except for setting up the hosting accounts, which is what...maybe 10 minutes each?) This in addition to my already thriving offline business is making for a very profitable year...

Just another simple idea that was easy to implement & set on autopilot. In time I will create more templates & add them to the mix....I also will implement a "rental plan". When I first started this I noticed other websites offering some FSBO templates...most were very lame, way over priced & all were not marketed very well....

Won't find this as a WSO next week or next month...I do better at my offline business in a week than I could by working on a WSO anyways.....

Good luck,

~Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    How did you handle domain registration Ken? Did you just select
    a domain for each home yourself and register under your name?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jessica Martinez
      Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

      How did you handle domain registration Ken? Did you just select
      a domain for each home yourself and register under your name?
      I'd like to know as well. Thanks for the idea. It sounds like a great idea and an easy one to implement. Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris_Oakley
      Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

      How did you handle domain registration Ken? Did you just select a domain for each home yourself and register under your name?
      I'd like the answer to this question too please

      Great idea and explanation Ken - thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jagged
      Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

      How did you handle domain registration Ken? Did you just select
      a domain for each home yourself and register under your name?

      Hi Loren,
      Each site was a sub-domain off my domain. I did not charge for that.....Saves them $10.00 & from having basically a worthless domain whn it sold. All they needed to do set-up hosting which over 90% did so through my hostgator resellers account...

      ~Ken
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by Jagged View Post

        Hi Loren,
        Each site was a sub-domain off my domain. I did not charge for that.....Saves them $10.00 & from having basically a worthless domain whn it sold. All they needed to do set-up hosting which over 90% did so through my hostgator resellers account...

        ~Ken
        Ken, I assume that you were using at least several domains, since I believe that with registrars such as Godaddy, there's a 100 subdomain limit per domain?

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        • Profile picture of the author Jagged
          Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

          Ken, I assume that you were using at least several domains, since I believe that with registrars such as Godaddy, there's a 100 subdomain limit per domain?

          Paul
          I host my sites with my resellers account through hostgator....which have unlimited domains & unlimited sub-domains.....I always recommend hostgator for hosting.

          I was using more than one domain but most were sub-domains off the directory site.

          Keep in mind that as homes sold, these were taken down a.s.a.p.....it's not like there were hundreds of sites hosted at once...they came & went fairly quickly, usually with-in 6-8 months.

          Hope that helps Paul, Good luck...
          ~Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    Well can't ever go wrong with new ideas to add to the toolkit!

    Great strategy!

    I wonder how much you could charge my adding in a "video slideshow" upsell using Animoto video on their homepage with 5 - 10 shots of their house that they submit to you with royalty free music?

    Just as long as you don't sell the video to them directly, or allow them to sell it either, I believe that it falls in the TOS of Animoto...

    Cheers,

    ~Dexx
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    • Profile picture of the author Jagged
      Originally Posted by Dexx View Post

      Well can't ever go wrong with new ideas to add to the toolkit!

      Great strategy!

      I wonder how much you could charge my adding in a "video slideshow" upsell using Animoto video on their homepage with 5 - 10 shots of their house that they submit to you with royalty free music?

      Just as long as you don't sell the video to them directly, or allow them to sell it either, I believe that it falls in the TOS of Animoto...

      Cheers,

      ~Dexx
      Hi Dexx,

      For an upsell....I'm actually working on a site now that will offer virtual tours for the FSBO crowd....also I will try to attract some smaller realtors who may need a low cost service like this...this should be ready to go with-in 2 weeks....

      I also offer them slideshow video's on youtube for another $100....could probably get more for this but I out to service a crowd thats most likely low budget already so I don't want to brake their bank....as you can see from the totals of the websites, it all adds up kind of fast....

      Thanks,
      ~Ken
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    • Profile picture of the author TheNightOwl
      Originally Posted by Dexx View Post

      Just as long as you don't sell the video to them directly
      But isn't this, in effect, exactly what you're doing? I don't know Animoto's TOS, but I'm wondering what the difference is between making a video and selling it to them and making the video as part of a package you're selling to them.

      There doesn't seem to be any difference to me. But I could, of course, be wrong.

      Just something for people to check out explicitly for themselves rather than just assuming it must be okay coz someone said it on the WF! LOL!

      Great idea, btw, Dexx... I just don't see how that's not selling them the video in some way. Besides, if you're making hundreds of dollars on each these sales, I reckon you can pony up the few hundred bucks for an annual developer's license at Animoto, no?

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  • Profile picture of the author chrisnegro
    Nice job Ken....you seem to amaze me with your clever and creative ways to make money. Much continued success !

    Warmest regards,

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  • Profile picture of the author billionareHuman
    Nice work. What's the difference between what you are doing and the regular real estate listing websites? There are many FSBO websites already. You said they are over priced and not marketed well, but when you are trying to sell your service to people they don't know who's better.

    I'm not knocking this just that I'm looking at the long term viability eventually it makes more sense for you to build 1 big real estate FSBO website like MLS for management purposes and branding etc.

    Is each website you build targeted at 1 hour or 1 suburb?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jagged
      Originally Posted by billionareHuman View Post

      Nice work. What's the difference between what you are doing and the regular real estate listing websites? There are many FSBO websites already. You said they are over priced and not marketed well, but when you are trying to sell your service to people they don't know who's better.

      I'm not knocking this just that I'm looking at the long term viability eventually it makes more sense for you to build 1 big real estate FSBO website like MLS for management purposes and branding etc.

      Is each website you build targeted at 1 hour or 1 suburb?

      I learned from the last house I sold a few years back....having just a MLS listing sometimes is not enough...realtors for the most part rely on their websites for traffic...one thing I found out is that most realtors are lousy at marketing & SEO....

      This time around I worked with the realtor to better the site in searches...also I went & made my own site...I marketed the house in all the northern snowbelt / high unemployment states where people would be willing to re-locate....or retirees looking for year round nice weather & golf ( I live in Tucson, AZ)...I used craigslist a lot. My website also was seo'd properly...it showed well in my area for southwest style homes in my price range when searched....

      How does it differ from the other fsbo sites? There are a bunch of them, most get lost in basic searches, most are way over priced for the average do it yourself homeowner....most think that submitting their websites to a couple directories will get their websites some publicity....for the most part thats not the case. My site was optimized, I marketed it to the right crowds, I kept pricing low......that made a world of difference....also I started out focusing locally....most of my sales were local. I just made it stand out more than the others....wasn't hard to do.

      When I first started talking to FSBO homeowners most knew little about the internet & where to go to get listed if they were not using a realtor...I started by talking to individual home owners....then some smaller local realtors, then started posting on craigslist locally, then I put it out there in other major area's...it's still growing, heck... I just started this a few months ago & will be adding rental sites & upsells....I see no other fsbo sites that are doing that...

      Thanks,

      ~Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    So you did this as an extension of your local portal building activities?

    There are lots of ways to do this of course, but if your local
    portal is providing links to these subdomains, then that's a
    selling point and it could be argued that such a portal would
    pass link-juice to it's subdomains and make the listing pages
    more visible in local SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jagged
    Here is one of the wordpress themes I used...it's free, but I do not think they offer support on this on...just the paid v.2 version...

    Free WP Themes | Revolution WordPress Themes | Revolution Agent v1.0 WordPress Theme
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  • Profile picture of the author BayAreaSteve
    Originally Posted by Jagged View Post

    All in all it took me a just over of a week (8 days) to put together these sites, my site & get them marketed....to date I have sold over 210 one page templates & 118 2 page templates (since late October 2009).....pocketing me in excess of $38,000 in 5 months....+ another $6000+ in hosting fees.....not bad for a long weeks work...plus, it's basically on autopilot now. (except for setting up the hosting accounts, which is what...maybe 10 minutes each?) This in addition to my already thriving offline business is making for a very profitable year...

    ~Ken
    Fantastic ... how did you charge for hosting , several months up front ?

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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      Nice idea.

      Thank you for sharing this.

      So the main ways you got paying clients were:

      # Calling other owner sellers on the phone.

      # Creating some kind of leaflet or card and making it available at home owner associations offices.

      # Creating a website and getting it ranked high in google for the kinds of search terms owner sellers are looking for.

      # Posting on real estate forums, real estate blogs and craigslist and linking back to your site (or did you get them to contact you directly).


      What was your call to action?

      Did you set up most of these deals by email or did you talk to your prospects on the phone?

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    • Profile picture of the author Jagged
      Originally Posted by BayAreaSteve View Post

      Fantastic ... how did you charge for hosting , several months up front ?


      BayAreaSteve

      Yes, maybe not several, but a few.....I charged 3 months up front then monthly after. I couldn't go to far ahead in case they sold their homes. When they did sell, they just emailed me & I took own the site.

      ~Ken
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      • Profile picture of the author BayAreaSteve
        Originally Posted by Jagged View Post

        Yes, maybe not several, but a few.....I charged 3 months up front then monthly after. I couldn't go to far ahead in case they sold their homes. When they did sell, they just emailed me & I took own the site.

        ~Ken
        Brilliant, just brilliant ... should of thought of this when I was trying to sell my home. Thanks for this post Ken , it is really inspiring and informative.

        I googled " free real estate templates " , and found many available, then googled " how to make html templates " and found free courses that were very clear and easy to understand for noobies .

        Of course there were templates available for sale, and courses available for sale, both at a moderate price. I just wanted to see if there were resources for people with little money, and there are.

        So, anyone can do this, all they have to do is take the 1st step.

        Thanks again Ken.


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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    I know making money is the ultimate goal, but this really does help small fishes too.
    great all around strategy...
    (everyone makes out!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Jagged
    Hi Steve,

    Try the link I have above for the wordpress theme too...it's pretty cut & dry...clean looking...also, if you have hostgator hosting...they have some free templates in cPanel you can use...

    ~Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author iw433
    Great post. LBB rocks! Seems like no matter where you post you make quality post. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fingerling
    What a really great thread. Thanks so much for sharing that with us Ken.
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    • Profile picture of the author 1fisherman
      I've had a similar idea targeting the FSBO crowd. I guess I should pursue it and see what happens.

      Regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author infoshot
    I just came across this thread, what a doozy.
    I just wish I had seen it a year ago when I had a 4-plex to sell.
    Awesome work.
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  • Profile picture of the author nelsonbiglar
    About 5 years ago my friends dad had their camp/home up for sale and I put together a simple one page HTML site. They were living there but wanted to buy a home in town because they were getting older and the travel to and from our city was getting to be much.

    Anyways, here is something I put together in a 3-4 hours. The code is rough, used Frontpage at the time. Wordpress would be more appropriate for me now.

    Havilland Shores Ontario Canada

    This post really brings back how exciting it was when it sold. It took about 8 month to sell it. It was in just a subfolder on a site I had up at the time, not really SEO optimized or anything like that.

    I'm really going to consider rehashing the idea, using some single page wordpress themes I have and register a local domain and maybe run an ad or 2 to see how many FSBO's there are out there...

    Awesome....

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    • Profile picture of the author nelsonbiglar
      This obviously isn't monthly income? The 328 sites you put together bringing in $38000 plus hosting breaks down to about $135.00 per site.

      How much are you bringing in monthly after setting up 328 sites and hosting? It would be nice to know the residual on this...

      Love the idea again cuz I've used it before just never seen the opportunity before...
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  • Profile picture of the author JayPeete
    Now that's what I call giving back Ken. You are truly a great warrior in this forum!

    I'm going to tell a few of my friends about this post. I know that they will find it equally as valuable.

    Thanks again,

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  • Profile picture of the author NewbiesDiary
    Great idea - well done!

    This could also be setup with wpmu (or now wp 3.0 multi site).

    That way they are all still using subdomains, but it means the themes can be pre-loaded so the home owner can create their own site (they just pick their own sub domain name, username and password), then they can pick a different theme if they like. They then have the ability to upload photos etc etc.

    Plus with wp 3.0 multi site you can have a feed of all the global posts or pages brought to the front page or in the sidebar for promotion.

    Use a membership plugin like s2Member to handle the 'hosting' costs and the initial payment.

    Once the property is sold then you just put the site in 'Sold' category or area so others can see the success of the site - plus means you aren't deleting pages that can be ranking in the search engines. That way your site continues to grow and gets a better reach - becoming an authority site much quicker.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jagged
    Some other things that can be done besides offering templates:
    - offer virtual tours....this can be done either locally or through affiliate links. Could be full video or photo slideshows
    - offer MLS Listings....this is a big seller...many go for this option. It helps tremenously to be in the MLS listings. The pricing varies per state, but a simple Google search for "fsbo mls listings" will list most of the main players....some have affiliate programs paying anywhere from 10% to 45%

    Monetize your FSBO site / blogs with these affiliate links, banners.....ShareaSale has a lot of programs geared towards real estate / FSBO. Some of the related programs:
    - home inspections
    - home appraisals
    - financing & debt relief
    - home rentals
    - virtual tours

    owner.com has a FSBO article bank...
    http://www.owners.com/FSBO-Articles/
    ...use these to gather ideas, re-write & post on blogs / sites for content....
    (they also have an affiliate program through shareasale.....definately worth looking into....

    Good luck,
    ~Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author I.M.Retired
    Excellent post, Ken. At one time I was doing FSBO websites for private sales and posting them on Craigslist and Kijiji. The results were amazing.

    Here is a plain html page of one of the first ads I did:

    Tea Room Business and Property For Sale (Removed name of town and owner's name, etc.)

    I would also do presentations using Keynote, including music and graphics and give copies to the business owners to send or give to customers. A lot of work, but something I really enjoyed doing. I have also done some Keynote presentation for real estate agents to show customers when they visit the office - a preview of sorts.

    Now I am offering a 'web presence' for small business owners who don't want the expense, care and feeding of a website. My local business directory site comes up on the first page of Google for most businesses located in Renfrew County, the main keyword for the site. So my customer's ads get lots of exposure. For example, if you search for woodstoves, renfrew county, the only site currently topping my site on Google is Kijiji. If there is no listing for that term on Kijiji my customers ads come up usually on the first or second page of Google. The directory site is also listed in Dmoz, which I think helps a lot.

    Some of my customers purchase their own domain and do a simple redirect to their ad. I update their ads 4 times a year. All the customer has to do is email me the information or pictures they want posted. If they want me to come and take the pictures, I charge extra.

    Here is one of my customers links for my local directory site: http://hummingbirdweaving.com

    There are so many opportunities in the offline market. I'm working on some .mobi sites now - an exciting but somewhat frustrating process. It seems that everytime I get something going - the game changes. C'est la vie, n'est ce pas?
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    • Profile picture of the author syncjam
      So how has anyone done with this lately? Especially with the housing crash.

      Just curious.

      Thanks...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ray Valentine
    I've been hacking at it, getting the theme localized for your area is becoming a hassle though.
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    • Profile picture of the author syncjam
      Originally Posted by CPA_RaY View Post

      I've been hacking at it, getting the theme localized for your area is becoming a hassle though.

      Thanks Ray! Can you elaborate? What do you mean by localized?

      Thanks...
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  • Profile picture of the author NewbiesDiary
    My house is currently for sale and as I've gotten really good at getting websites to page one of the big G in 2 days (and yes they stay there)... I'm going to be creating a new website/s to sell my home.

    It's listed with an exclusive agent - but sure can't see the harm in doing my own marketing too - will just link back to the real estate agent for enquiries.

    So this op method is brilliant - and isn't limited to only FSBO
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Montgomery
    So how did you do SEO for multiple sites in your city?

    I mean say you've got 10 people that want a website in the same city, you can't use the same keyword in the subdomain more than once.
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  • Profile picture of the author WilliamL
    This is a good idea, congrats to the OP!
    There is lots of money to be made in the Real Estate Market for Online Marketers, I wrote a little guide for Warriors some months ago maybe it helps some people here (let the ideas spin ): Real Estate Money Making Report

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    • Profile picture of the author ivanela33
      Hey Ken,

      I'm about to get started on with this little gem. I also though of offering panoramic video tours and was curious to know what type of software are you using for this. This would make a great upsell to offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeyAdMan
    OK ... well it has been a while since the last post. I am wondering who if anyone actually did anything with this idea? What was your experience?

    I set up a site with video and today it is still showing 3rd from the top on 1st page of Google. Keywords are what a person would search for when looking for a particular type house for sale.

    Problem is even with such prominent positioning ... there have only been 69 unique visitors and only one phone call.

    I'm thinking it is the economy.

    What is your experience?

    Jagged I'd like to compare notes with you as well since you brought this idea to the table. Personally I think it is a great idea so how can we tweak this thing?

    Randy
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    • Profile picture of the author Jagged
      My recent health issues have prevented me from being online much as of late. Since this thread started, I have since sold my fsbo templates & websites with rights as i couldn't give the attention they needed.

      I can see this is still a fairly hot topic so I will try to answer what I can...when I can......fair enough?

      Originally Posted by HeyAdMan View Post

      I set up a site with video and today it is still showing 3rd from the top on 1st page of Google. Keywords are what a person would search for when looking for a particular type house for sale.

      Problem is even with such prominent positioning ... there have only been 69 unique visitors and only one phone call.
      I see it as your relying just on the one website to draw traffic. Even though it's listed well, it still isn't enough of a draw....You need to get this out in front of people (if they won't come to you...you go to them). I had the multiple websites, a city targeted fsbo directory site, I made extensive use of craigslist & backpage, I posted flyers around town at home owner association offices and/or websites, some local store windows too, free ads where I can grab them....I made personal contact with local home owners who were selling-by-owners....

      The fsbo market is small, compared to those who just contact a realtor.....you need to target your market any way possible.


      Originally Posted by ivanela33

      I'm about to get started on with this little gem. I also though of offering panoramic video tours and was curious to know what type of software are you using for this. This would make a great upsell to offer.
      You can either use a professional photographer....they will have the viewing software....or....there are some sites that offer virtual tours that have affiliate programs....(thats what I did...)

      For more upsell offers....a biggie was getting fsbo's listed in the MLS...there are site like flatfeelisting.com, just do a search & a bunch show up.
      *not affiliated

      Originally Posted by TWalker

      So what is the strategy on the domain name?

      Is it mycityforsalebyowner.com (This one locks in to your city but helps with ranking for you city)

      Or some-name-forsale-byowner.com in hopes of scaling away from local?

      mycityrealestate.com ? (no for sale by owner in the name)

      Perhaps a state level with city subdomains?

      atlantic-city.newjersey-forsalebyowner.com

      What are your strategy tips?

      Thanks
      Those who wanted their own domains I usually suggested their address/city.com (123smithst-tucson.com) never had a problem getting one.

      Others I used sub-domains...off my directory site. Made use of more targted keywords this way....something like: horseproperty.phoenixfsbohomes.com, investmenthome.phoenixfsbohomes.com or the address again....123smithst.phoenixfsbohomes.com

      I'm sure there are better ways to use domains for this....this is just something that worked for me....

      For directory sites you can use something like phoenix-fsbo-homes.com, denver-fsbo-homes.com (I checked a bunch of other cities & most all were available in that format....

      *phoenixfsbohomes.com was one of my sites...it has little on it now, I stripped it down to a few articles...was going to make an adsense site out of it....if anyone is interested in the domain....pm me.


      Good luck,
      ~Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author Vanquish
    Great post, thank you for sharing with us. Truly an ingenius way to add another stream of passive income.
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  • Profile picture of the author danielkanuck
    Thanks for the great tips. It's an innovated way of thinking outside of the box.
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  • Profile picture of the author TWalker
    So what is the strategy on the domain name?

    Is it mycityforsalebyowner.com (This one locks in to your city but helps with ranking for you city)

    Or some-name-forsale-byowner.com in hopes of scaling away from local?


    mycityrealestate.com ? (no for sale by owner in the name)

    Perhaps a state level with city subdomains?

    atlantic-city.newjersey-forsalebyowner.com

    What are your strategy tips?

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author DonaldXSmiley
    There are many websites and multilingual. You said they are too expensive and not sold well, but when you are trying to sell its service to people who do not know who is better.
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  • Profile picture of the author nlquyen
    Great work! thanks for interesting tips!
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  • Profile picture of the author KenB
    I just skimmed through your post, I've been doing offline marketing as well, hopefully you get the same success I've been getting. Since we both have the same name

    ~Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author TWalker
    I know this is an old thread but it is still a valid business to pursue, even more so as the economy is no better and more need to sell homes.

    One question: I live in an area where everyone is selling because tourists flock here and want to buy. About 1/2 of our homes are empty due to seasonal tourism, inherited homes etc.

    Whats the best way to find FSBO's or potential FSBO's? Drive around and get phone numbers? With the popularity of postcard marketing now and the high number of empty houses here do you think EDDM (every door direct mail) postcards could be an option?

    Thanks

    PS: I also do real estate slideshow videos. Could that be a good selling point instead of building a site? I can rank video in nothing flat.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Martin
    This thread has my mind FLOWING with innovative ideas. It's inspired me to launch a web design campaign targeted towards this particular niche. I'll keep you guys updated on my results.
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