How do you counter the "Best Friend" or "Brother in Law" problem?

by ZaraK
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You know...everybody has one. A brother in law or a best friend who thinks they know everything about online and offline marketing .... and what they've done with it so far for the business you're targeting is either awful or weak.

And if you say it's awful or weak, then you might be creating a relationship issue with the business owner right out of the starting gate.

So when talking to a B&M business, how do you counter the Brother in Law factor? (My BIL can get me on Twitter. My BIL designs web pages. My BFF said X is the way to go (when you know for a fact that X sucks).

Or do you just say sayonara and go to the next prospect?
#best friend #brother in law #counter #problem
  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    That's only a problem if you are selling a commodity (i.e. something that can be price shopped to the lowest bidder)

    Are you going in there and saying "we need to change XYZ?"

    Or are you going in there and saying "Hey Mr. Business Owner, how's business currently...what are you currently frustrated with...where would you like to see business be in...what are you currently doing now to get there?"

    By asking targeted and related questions to the business owner, you will not only build a quality relationship with each other, but you can identify areas of the business not even being addressed by anyone...then offer to solve them.

    Personally I don't even touch online marketing until about 4-5 projects in, there's much more important things to do first which will get the business owner fast results.

    After that point, you can consider his "brother-in-law" as a free outsource employee of yours to do the work you want done.

    Win-Win =)

    ~Dexx
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Voss
    ZaraK,

    First off, NEVER offend them by saying that what their friend/in-law created is awful or weak.

    As for countering it, it all depends on what YOU are offering. If all you are going to do for them is to set up a website, then you have some stiff competition from the national $4.95 outfits.

    You should be selling them on SEO, SEM or other things that differentiate your business form the other guys. If you do this, then the family friend guy isn't a problem.

    If you explain what you offer beyond what these other people offer and they don't get it or they still think you are too expensive, well then is the time to say 'next'.

    Or, if you are just starting out, offer to do it for a cut rate and start to build your portfolio.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    Heh, well really, I've seen this "issue" brought up by others in the community before...when if you think about it...the problem isn't someone else doing it...you would hire someone in Thailand for $2/hr to do it...

    The problem is not being PAID for the project to be done...

    So instead of trying to get paid to build a website...get paid to design a MARKETING SYSTEM and then provide instructions for what the Website needs to include in it.

    Be the Architects of the marketing system, not the construction workers, but just like building a skyscraper...you wouldn't hire the construction worker to design it. =)

    ~Dexx
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    • Profile picture of the author ZaraK
      Just FYI guys.... this is rhetorical question for discussion on my part. Already know your answers but others may not.
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  • Profile picture of the author toplinepub
    you have to communicate that results matter - ask them for the results their BIL has produced, versus your results with your other clients
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    I am so glad some one brought this up because I have quite a different perspective on this situation.

    Most often then not its an excuse to blow you off, just like when they ask you for your business card.

    Ok, well give me your business card and...bla bla bla.

    These are statements born out of the desire to shut you down and its usually a smoke screen that's pretty easy to get past.

    Sometimes I just shoot right back, yes well unless your business is a charity case why would you turn important profit centers over to some one who isn't a pro? We wouldn't hire an attorney to come and remodel our home or business right?

    or...

    Would you entertain the possibility that you have not made the best decision by allowing a family member to take over such an important segment of your revenue stream?

    or...

    That's great that you have some one who understands the importance of capturing each visitor's name and email so you can follow up with them in a series of emails to you increase the chances that they buy from your site or come in to your store!

    How big is your site visitor list...?

    or...

    You know, I hired my uncle and brother in law to replace my roof and it leaked like hell, as a result I don't talk much with them anymore, and now there's always a little tension at family events....


    or....

    Well its time to get more serious about your business don't you think? (short pause)..Listen, I realize what I just said might offend you or even piss you off but if you step back and look at it, is it possible you have a family member running your web site because you haven't place enough importance on it and therefore loose out on all the extra profit you could be making.


    Now I realize that some of those reading this post are not going to agree with my advice, that is completely OK.

    Why?

    Because they are entitled to!
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    • Profile picture of the author jsherloc
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post


      That's great that you have some one who understands the importance of capturing each visitor's name and email so you can follow up with them in a series of emails to you increase the chances that they buy from your site or come in to your store!

      How big is your site visitor list...?
      Rus, brilliant stuff. While the other replies might be a bit more "direct", I really like this "reversal" and passive style and I've said similar things in the past. Like:

      "That's so great you guys are taking advantage of all the targeted traffic looking for your type of business. I do this type of research a lot, and even I was actually taken back with the total number of people online searching for you and your products/services here in Anytown USA. Tons of potential... And that was just on GOOGLE alone...."

      This is usually followed with a nervous-"smile" because they know they should probably be talking to me, instead of their nephew.

      - Jim
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      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
        Thanks!

        Hell back in my roofing sales days people used to ask me if Mexicans were going to show up to do their roof.

        I would shoot right back, is there a problem with Latinos, are you racist? Then I'd just shut up and let them say, OH NO! We were just wondering! LOL

        I sold every one of those people!

        Originally Posted by jsherloc View Post

        Rus, brilliant stuff. While the other replies might be a bit more "direct", I really like this "reversal" and passive style and I've said similar things in the past. Like:

        "That's so great you guys are taking advantage of all the targeted traffic looking for your type of business. I do this type of research a lot, and even I was actually taken back with the total number of people online searching for you and your products/services here in Anytown USA. Tons of potential... And that was just on GOOGLE alone...."

        This is usually followed with a nervous-"smile" because they know they should probably be talking to me, instead of their nephew.

        - Jim
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    • Profile picture of the author FrankBowman
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      I am so glad some one brought this up because I have quite a different perspective on this situation.

      Most often then not its an excuse to blow you off, just like when they ask you for your business card.

      Ok, well give me your business card and...bla bla bla.

      These are statements born out of the desire to shut you down and its usually a smoke screen that's pretty easy to get past.

      Sometimes I just shoot right back, yes well unless your business is a charity case why would you turn important profit centers over to some one who isn't a pro? We wouldn't hire an attorney to come and remodel our home or business right?

      or...

      Would you entertain the possibility that you have not made the best decision by allowing a family member to take over such an important segment of your revenue stream?

      or...

      That's great that you have some one who understands the importance of capturing each visitor's name and email so you can follow up with them in a series of emails to you increase the chances that they buy from your site or come in to your store!

      How big is your site visitor list...?

      or...

      You know, I hired my uncle and brother in law to replace my roof and it leaked like hell, as a result I don't talk much with them anymore, and now there's always a little tension at family events....


      or....

      Well its time to get more serious about your business don't you think? (short pause)..Listen, I realize what I just said might offend you or even piss you off but if you step back and look at it, is it possible you have a family member running your web site because you haven't place enough importance on it and therefore loose out on all the extra profit you could be making.


      Now I realize that some of those reading this post are not going to agree with my advice, that is completely OK.

      Why?

      Because they are entitled to!
      I agree, I approach this type of response in a very aggressive style. If they're stupid enough to let their 18 y/o nephew run their online presence, then I can probably sell them a bunch of services once I get their attention, or they really don't know left from right and I don't want them as a client.
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