Alibaba.Com - Serious Offline Goldmine!!!

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It shocks me daily that U.S. based marketers still havent caught onto the Gold Mine that exists on ALIBABA.COM

To this day it is one of the most high traffic sites in the world. Only there is something even more special about it...

They are all LARGE QUANTITY buyers and sellers.

I want to share a system with you here for free on the Warrior forum. It is very simple, and it has made me about $300k on alibaba over the last 5-6 years working part time.

If you look up the term "wallpaper stocklot" on google you will see that I have dominated the first page for 5 years now, and I havent even got that great of presentations...

I dont have to be flashy, heck; half my customers dont even speak fluent english. They appreciate my simplistic ways... because they are not hard to assimilate.

They dont understand alot of sales bs... what they understand is "Would you like to buy a load of wallpaper"?

Seriously. That simple.

Years ago I learned how to contact manufacturers, retail, and wholesale distributors like "Mattell" and "Kellogs" and "macy's"... to ask a simple question:

"Do you folks have any distressed merchandise you need to unload..."?

What I found is that in 4 out of ten of these calls, the answer was "Yes".

In fact most of them had quantities in excess of a million units, that were taking up valuable ware house space, and they were almost at the point of throwing them out or donating them... They had written them off as a loss on their taxes...

Things like:

"Batman Dolls"
Electronic Piggy Banks"
"Clothing such as Ralph Lauren Polo Shirts"
"Wallpaper and Home decor Items"
"Furniture"
"Costume Jewelry"

Any and everything that you might see in a "One dollar Store".

These people are willing to sell these MILLIONS of units at a time for as little as 3 cents on the dollar. for various reasons, it makes sense for them.

How do you think a product that retails for $19.99 ends up in a discount store selling for $1.00

Anyway, I learned to locate these lots of merchandise, and a few years ago I learned that you could sell them BY THE TRUCKLOAD for thousands of dollars.

1: I created "Broker" relationships with manufacturers.
2: I would offer to "buy" their million units of a $30.00 product, for $0.04 per unit... then sell it off in trucklooads at $0.24 per units... 50,000 unts at a time... get this:

Without ever picking up a phone.

1: If you are willing to contact manufacturers and wholesalers to ask about their distressed inventory.
2: Offer to broker it for them.
3: Get on Alibaba and offer the stocklot it to the THOUSANDS of bulk buyers overseas who are dying to buy the stuff at your "WAAAAAAAY below wholesale prices.

Then you can make 5K 10K 20K per pop!

Admittedly my average commission is beween 5-10K, but there are guys who focus on selling to bigger customers who buy a million units at a time, and they regularly make 50-100k commission checks!

If you could pull 2 or 3 deals like off per year you would be set BIGTIME.

As for me I have average about 50K per year over 6 years with it, but Im sure I could blow it up if I worked harder.

Your buyers dont even want to talk to you on the phone, they prefer email because of language barriers, so selling is fairly easy work. Mostly sending emails back and forth to buyers...

One time I put out an ad and some guy from china wired me $20,000 within 24 hours and I got a $7500 commission, and other times it takes weeks to close a 5k deal maybe even a couple of months... but once again, I dont work too hard at it. If you did you could make a TON!

So there's how I make money on Alibaba, basically if you do what I said here, you can too!
#alibaba #goldmine #secret
  • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
    Funny you mention Alibaba.com. I have started using it for my day job as we tried to sell stuff there. But I wasn't bright enough to think about this option.. It is a huge market and I will look for opportunities there. Thnx a lot!
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  • Profile picture of the author joshril
    Interesting post, John. When you're calling into the big retail and wholesale companies asking about distressed merchandise, is there a particular contact that you're normally looking to speak with?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    @ my bro Joshril

    Usually the ware house manager, because he's very concerned about the space problem and addresses it everyday with his superiors. He can usually get you in contact with a guy who is desperate to get rid of it. You may get passed around a little, but if they are desperate to lose the baggage it wont take long to get to the right person.

    @afterdream

    You will find more success marketing huge quantities, than you will trying to sell individual items. I dont know what your approach was so... these are thousands of "quantity buyers" for the most part looking to import export by the truckload.
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post


      @afterdream

      You will find more success marketing huge quantities, than you will trying to sell individual items. I dont know what your approach was so... these are thousands of "quantity buyers" for the most part looking to import export by the truckload.
      Well, my employers are selling tons of secondhand clothes..so it's kinda similar..
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    lol.... you're letting the cat out of the bag John.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      lol.... you're letting the cat out of the bag John.

      Dont you love me Michael?
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Dont you love me Michael?
        Of course I do! You've got style and cajones in a nice balance that makes for some good forum banter.

        The best part is that this particular market is so incredibly vast, that there's probably endless opportunity for those who would take advantage. So many markets, so many companies... and once you create solid relationships, repeat business... You'd never really get out of one solid niche vertical if you do it right.
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          • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

            You are one of those guys I refer to who are capable of pulling off the million unit deals... mine are usually 20k-40k...
            In fact, I just did a gigantic deal with solar energy system pieces and parts.

            Obamadollars have created some grant opportunities for alternative energy and there's been a scramble to take advantage of the fund before year end. In Ohio, there's an additional tax credit in place, so essentially the combined program will allow a small business to install a 45KW solar energy array subsystem that is 100% ROI in the first year. All the energy generated is free after the fact. We hooked up with a large, regional electric contractor who has been doing nothing but these kinds of installations. I got a couple of wealthy, 3rd party angel investors together to buy and warehouse all the equipment. We're generating the leads for the businesses who are interested in the program, handing off the deals to the electric contractor, who has agreed under contract to source the system components from our closed-loop investment group. Those components were sourced via alibaba, and I am in on the spread. The investors take a killer ROI. The electrical contractor gets a great niche business that is virtually competition-free, and I get the point spread on the buy/sell of the parts.

            Everyone is making money hand over fist. All I did was connect the dots in the conference room.
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            • Profile picture of the author John Durham
              Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

              In fact, I just did a gigantic deal with solar energy system pieces and parts.

              Obamadollars have created some grant opportunities for alternative energy and there's been a scramble to take advantage of the fund before year end. In Ohio, there's an additional tax credit in place, so essentially the combined program will allow a small business to install a 45KW solar energy array subsystem that is 100% ROI in the first year. All the energy generated is free after the fact. We hooked up with a large, regional electric contractor who has been doing nothing but these kinds of installations. I got a couple of wealthy, 3rd party angel investors together to buy and warehouse all the equipment. We're generating the leads for the businesses who are interested in the program, handing off the deals to the electric contractor, who has agreed under contract to source the system components from our closed-loop investment group. Those components were sourced via alibaba, and I am in on the spread. The investors take a killer ROI. The electrical contractor gets a great niche business that is virtually competition-free, and I get the point spread on the buy/sell of the parts.

              Everyone is making money hand over fist. All I did was connect the dots in the conference room.
              There was a guy in my training class last year, who had genrated alot of interest in solar scraps. I know that kind of stuff is in demand.

              I generally focus on retail type product, but people dont realize some of the biggest business in the world is floating around there, and as you said you practically can not saturate it. Wallpaper is a real sucky market, yet I have went vertical with it... and have sold millions of units even as US retailers are going bankrupt with it... in fact thats why I have been able to sell millions of units because of the amount of distressed inventory available on the US market.

              Wallpaper people in the US are dying... but in other countries its all the rage.

              Guys what Michael is talking about, is an example of the kind of opportunities that can be created in a market where people arent necessarily as calloused as the US to some of our ideas...

              There are people in other countries who want to invest in our ideas here... when you get out of the box the possibilities are endless.

              Michaels stuff requires some pretty serious business acumen , if you have that awesome.

              Im just a dumb high school drop out, so I sell 40k loads and make a 10k commission here and there.

              My pitch is "You wanna buy a load of wallpaper"?

              Pretty much thats it. lol

              If you are really sharp you can create some serious JV's with rich offshore investors...
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  • Profile picture of the author daj
    Sounds like a great idea. What kind of products are more likely to be easier to broker and sell by the truckload? Popular brands? and basic necessities?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    @ Daj

    Interestingly... ask yourself "What kind of products do I see retailing at Krogers for 12 bucks... that I can walk down to the dollar store and get for $99 cents?

    When the moss grows on the east side of the bamboo trees and the ferret is dry from his many swims in the river... then the enlightening answer to this question will dawn upon you!

    Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

    Of course I do! You've got style and cajones in a nice balance that makes for some good forum banter.

    The best part is that this particular market is so incredibly vast, that there's probably endless opportunity for those who would take advantage. So many markets, so many companies... and once you create solid relationships, repeat business... You'd never really get out of one solid niche vertical if you do it right.
    You are one of those guys I refer to who are capable of pulling off the million unit deals... mine are usually 20k-40k...
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  • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
    After re-reading this I got a few questions:

    1. How many funds you need to have yourself? I suppose about 10k for initial buying.
    2. How you deal with logistics? You get your own freight arranged and all that? Or manufacturer and your buyer work it out?
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    The biggest hurdle for noobs starting out is understanding international shipping issues, and international banking (bank letters of credit, et al...) But once learned, getting a shipping container of "stuff" from point "A" to point "B" is second nature.

    IMHO, the best kinds of arbitrage are the multiple party deals like I described. Each player taking a piece of the pie somewhere. Those can turn into some really substantial partnerships. The one-to-one deals can still be done, but the buy/sell dynamic is very different.

    I don't touch retail with a 10 foot pole because of the fickle nature of B2C commerce. It's hard to repurpose troll dolls and tennis shoes. But stuff like electrical parts can go into all manner of development projects if the need for backend liquidation arose again.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      The biggest hurdle for noobs starting out is understanding international shipping issues, and international banking (bank letters of credit, et al...) But once learned, getting a shipping container of "stuff" from point "A" to point "B" is second nature.

      IMHO, the best kinds of arbitrage are the multiple party deals like I described. Each player taking a piece of the pie somewhere. Those can turn into some really substantial partnerships. The one-to-one deals can still be done, but the buy/sell dynamic is very different.

      I don't touch retail with a 10 foot pole because of the fickle nature of B2C commerce. It's hard to repurpose troll dolls and tennis shoes. But stuff like electrical parts can go into all manner of development projects if the need for backend liquidation arose again.

      many have asked me "Why do you just sell wallpaper instead of all kinds of other things...'

      the answer is because of what you just described above. every industry has its own terminology, shipping protocols... its best to pick a niche and learn their jargon real well and become a known seller in that market that can speak the laguage.

      For instance in Wallpaper they sell by the "Bolt" or by the "ream" or by the "square meter"...

      In "clothing"... buyers pay by the "Metric Ton" or the GSM...

      You have to learn the language with whatever niche you are selling to... or buying in... and their shipping terms...

      Honestly though, I learned the hard way. My first customer actually taught me the whole shipping process, understanding that I was a new broker, and green...


      Originally Posted by AfteraDream View Post

      Well, my employers are selling tons of secondhand clothes..so it's kinda similar..
      If you can describe their offer I can tell you how to get it selling better on AB, usually second hand clothes are sold by the "ton" to third world countries... not much profit... wheres "macy's closeouts" are sold by the number of units... and you can make 10k per load selling to a more prosperous country like China

      Originally Posted by AfteraDream View Post

      After re-reading this I got a few questions:

      1. How many funds you need to have yourself? I suppose about 10k for initial buying.
      2. How you deal with logistics? You get your own freight arranged and all that? Or manufacturer and your buyer work it out?
      You never buy anything after a dream...

      Unless you want to risk ending up divorced broke and begging for pennies...

      You may not sell all the units at once. I had a friend who bought f million rolls of border at 10 cents apeice and thought he could easily sell them all for 20 cents...

      He still has 2 million units sitting there 4 years later taking up warehouse space, as we have been able to sell them off 50k units here or 20k there...

      You want to "Broker" never "buy".

      Usually either your manufacturer or your buyer will have their own freight forwarder... however sometimes you have to send a few emails and arrange that for them.

      Your job is primarily to put the buyer and seller together.
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      • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post


        If you can describe their offer I can tell you how to get it selling better on AB, usually second hand clothes are sold by the "ton" to third world countries... not much profit... wheres "macy's closeouts" are sold by the number of units... and you can make 10k per load selling to a more prosperous country like China



        You never buy anything after a dream...

        Unless you want to risk ending up divorced broke and begging for pennies...

        You may not sell all the units at once. I had a friend who bought f million rolls of border at 10 cents apeice and thought he could easily sell them all for 20 cents...

        He still has 2 million units sitting there 4 years later taking up warehouse space, as we have been able to sell them off 50k units here or 20k there...

        You want to "Broker" never "buy".

        Usually either your manufacturer or your buyer will have their own freight forwarder... however sometimes you have to send a few emails and arrange that for them.

        Your job is primarily to put the buyer and seller together.
        Man, you make this look too easy!!!! Honestly, it must be harder than exchanging emails with supplier and buyer... If it is that easy. I'm on it right now!!!!! I will PM you about my employers' business example, it would be great to hear what you have to say!
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      • Profile picture of the author webtrix
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        You want to "Broker" never "buy".
        Oh, you want to buy, especially if you're already selling.

        Please be aware there are too many scammers on Alibaba too. And it doesn't matter if they are Gold members or not...



        I had to post at least one pic

        Ivana, if you need any help, don't hesitate to contact me, since we're practically sharing the same market
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by webtrix View Post

          Oh, you want to buy, especially if you're already selling.

          Please be aware there are too many scammers on Alibaba too. And it doesn't matter if they are Gold members or not...



          I had to post at least one pic

          Ivana, if you need any help, don't hesitate to contact me, since we're practically sharing the same market

          There a scammers everywhere , even here.

          Get a clue. Its one of of the top sites in the world... Dont think scammers would be attracted?

          Even ebay has scammers...

          "Buying" is something you do if you want to take huge risks... brokering minimizes risk.

          I have had people major buyers back out on 100k PO's and came real close to getting stuck with having to buy the goods... so, an L/C doesnt always mean a sale is in the bag.

          ever tried to sue a person from another country?

          Po's mean little except to those with honor.

          Brokering is most reasonable for the average person (me) , unless you own a warehouse and can handle taking on the goods if your customer backs out after you pay for the stocklot.
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          • Profile picture of the author webtrix
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

            There a scammers everywhere , even here.

            Get a clue. Its one of of the top sites in the world... Dont think scammers would be attracted?

            Even ebay has scammers...

            John, you missed my point, I wanted to say it doesn't matter if a supplier is gold or whatever member, one should take all the necessary precautions when buying.

            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

            ever tried to sue a person from another country?
            Nope, but I was thinking about sueing a company from another company, once or twice...

            One other thing about chinese products; I discovered that, usually, 5% more expensive product means like 20-30% better quality...think about it.

            (edit: and one year later, 100 posts, whew)
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    I actually learned international trade from the best of the best, but not intentionally. I am close friends to the father of one of the top currency traders for a very old money European family... starts with an "R". They convert international currencies into hard commodity goods in local markets to hedge against fluctuations on daily market exchanges.

    After watching what Bas did, I was more focused on the actual commodity trading side of buy/sell. I didn't have the kind of cash necessary for international currency markets... and this was very, very pre-FOREX... mid 90s.

    My first deals were in the former Soviet bloc because they were really motivated back in the 90s. We didn't have sites like alibaba.com and had to do deals using the United Nations Trade Exchange system... that was draconian. My first project was a small PC assembly shop that was owned and operated by some Latvian guys. They had a contract to source PC parts for the Latvian .gov, and managed to buy enough extras under the radar to start building generic boxes by lamp light... circa 1997. They needed the bridge money to buy/sell until their government would pay them for the machines upon receipt.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      I actually learned international trade from the best of the best, but not intentionally. I am close friends to the father of one of the top currency traders for a very old money European family... starts with an "R". They convert international currencies into hard commodity goods in local markets to hedge against fluctuations on daily market exchanges.

      After watching what Bas did, I was more focused on the actual commodity trading side of buy/sell. I didn't have the kind of cash necessary for international currency markets... and this was very, very pre-FOREX... mid 90s.

      My first deals were in the former Soviet bloc because they were really motivated back in the 90s. We didn't have sites like alibaba.com and had to do deals using the United Nations Trade Exchange system... that was draconian. My first project was a small PC assembly shop that was owned and operated by some Latvian guys. They had a contract to source PC parts for the Latvian .gov, and managed to buy enough extras under the radar to start building generic boxes by lamp light... circa 1997. They needed the bridge money to buy/sell until their government would pay them for the machines upon receipt.
      You are a true marketer. If the internet went down today you would still thrive.

      I learned about it way before Alibaba, or Internet too... how to locate these lots... the prob was I didnt know where to sell them... then one year I got desperate and pulled out the thomas registry and started calling manufacturers thinking "Surely with Google PPC I can sell some loads"... lost about 3-4k... before finding Alibaba and other b2b trade sites...

      i made my first 14k sale on a free account, and if you dont count the money I lost trying to MAKE this discovery... it didnt cost me one red cent to make that sale.

      Its amazing how this can be done. It really blew me away the first deal I made...

      I think its amazing how more people arent onto this kind of stuff... the guys trying to push $30 ticket affiliate programs are truly missing out on the virtual WORLD of possibilities like the ones you and I are describing here... Me: Selling Wholesale Loads... You creating huge joint ventures on major projects...

      Some people never get past the clickbank word and see what is all around us. Literally millions of dollars exchanging hands in large and small increments everywhere we turn.

      Hopefull posts like the ones we are making here will help some to get :"ideas" and open up a portal whereby some of those dollars floating around can flow toward "them".

      Guys like you and I wont be touched because there are too many possibilities and angles to choose from... plus most dont have the balls to actually "try" anyway. Honestly.
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    • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      I am close friends to the father of one of the top currency traders for a very old money European family... starts with an "R".
      Oh no not my idols ....man what I would do to be in those shoes.

      I am having mixed feelings; jealousy, envy, hatred, happiness, etc etc
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
        Originally Posted by janok View Post

        Oh no not my idols ....man what I would do to be in those shoes.

        I am having mixed feelings; jealousy, envy, hatred, happiness, etc etc

        lol... It wasn't that exciting really. I am friends with his dad actually, so I didn't really get to kiss the rings. I just learned what they did by watching.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Yes, these are simply fundamental business skills. Nothing spectacular. Nothing that anyone who really wants to learn couldn't do for themselves. But, once again, it's real work. It's not impossible, and it's not particularly difficult. But it does take work. Getting a shipping container of something filled up and onto a boat requires effort.

    So if people think that they're doing business with their monitor, pressing a button, and getting cash deposits into their bank account... guess again. ESPECIALLY if you're playing with other people's money. You've got to add value to the deal somewhere, and if you're not bringing cash, you're bringing something else... knowledge, effort, hands-on... something.
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  • Profile picture of the author BryanC
    I would pay for a WSO explaining the minor details of this. This all sounds very interesting but exactly how to do it is a little over my head.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

    Yes, these are simply fundamental business skills. Nothing spectacular. Nothing that anyone who really wants to learn couldn't do for themselves. But, once again, it's real work. It's not impossible, and it's not particularly difficult. But it does take work. Getting a shipping container of something filled up and onto a boat requires effort.

    So if people think that they're doing business with their monitor, pressing a button, and getting cash deposits into their bank account... guess again. ESPECIALLY if you're playing with other people's money. You've got to add value to the deal somewhere, and if you're not bringing cash, you're bringing something else... knowledge, effort, hands-on... something.
    Indeed. Agreed.

    It is a process of learning the language of the

    Buyer (in your niche)
    The seller
    The freight Forwarder
    The customs people

    You will need to be able to have email relationships with your suppliers secretary and warehouse manager...

    All business requires this.
    Dont kid yourself.

    I was just so fascinated by the process and the fact that it could actually be done, that I followed through and learned the ropes in a niche. Anyone can.


    @BryanC
    Originally Posted by BryanC View Post

    I would pay for a WSO explaining the minor details of this. This all sounds very interesting but exactly how to do it is a little over my head.
    Be careful what you wish for.

    Alot of people want that. Hmm....

    I have actually been dying to write about it. We can express alot right here though.

    Honestly as Michael says, I could share the information, but if you dont have the desire to be hardcore, it wont really help you...
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  • Profile picture of the author BryanC
    The legal aspects and actual transfer of money is what is confusing to me. The concept of it and the actual process of connecting buyer to seller is pretty clear.
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
      Originally Posted by BryanC View Post

      The legal aspects and actual transfer of money is what is confusing to me. The concept of it and the actual process of connecting buyer to seller is pretty clear.

      LETTERS OF CREDIT
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by BryanC View Post

      The legal aspects and actual transfer of money is what is confusing to me. The concept of it and the actual process of connecting buyer to seller is pretty clear.

      I generally create relationships with my suppliers. They give me a price and I mark it up... then my buyer wires the money to my SUPPLIER, and not me... My supplier then cuts me a check for my mark up.

      You can also arrange with suplliers to have their warehouse manager meet up with your clients, when they fly in... and show them around the warehouse... I have never had to meet with any clients, but I have had them fly in on occasion.

      Its all about having a great relationship with your supplier.
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      • Profile picture of the author olamilekan2
        Thanks John and Michael, this is a brilliant business concept, My head is already rolling with ideas, will this be applicable in other parts of the world like UK. How do you deal with a product source(Manufactures with inventories) outside your country of residence?

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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by olamilekan2 View Post

          Thanks John and Michael, this is a brilliant business concept, My head is already rolling with ideas, will this be applicable in other parts of the world like UK. How do you deal with a product source(Manufactures with inventories) outside your country of residence?

          Moruf
          Generally in other countries you cant buy for pennies on the manufacturers cost, like you can here, because US businesses are allowed to write off losses, and they can practically give away their closeouts, and buybacks...

          I usually sell to other countries but only broker for US companies...

          If you are a broker from outside the US, but want to deal with a US supplier to sell to your country... there are plenty of US suppliers who will be glad to talk to you.

          Hope this helps!
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      • Profile picture of the author BryanC
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        I generally create relationships with my suppliers. They give me a price and I mark it up... then my buyer wires the money to my SUPPLIER, and not me... My supplier then cuts me a check for my mark up.

        You can also arrange with suplliers to have their warehouse manager meet up with your clients, when they fly in... and show them around the warehouse... I have never had to meet with any clients, but I have had them fly in on occasion.

        Its all about having a great relationship with your supplier.
        Doesn't your supplier begin wondering how to rub you out when you are receiving .24 a piece and they are cutting you a check for 80% of the buyer's payment?
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        • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
          Originally Posted by BryanC View Post

          Doesn't your supplier begin wondering how to rub you out when you are receiving .24 a piece and they are cutting you a check for 80% of the buyer's payment?
          I can already answer that question - it comes down to power.

          It's much like affiliate marketing.

          The affiliate is connecting the buyer and seller, and taking a piece of the pie.

          The seller is too busy running their business to care. John is taking care of an important aspect - getting rid of overstock - but they don't have to pay him a dime. They get their stuff sold off, (it's already been written off on taxes), they make room in their inventory, and John makes profit, the buyer gets a good deal.

          If they cut John out of it, he takes with him the buyers. Putting that job back on the seller.

          See how it works?

          Rob
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        • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
          Originally Posted by BryanC View Post

          Doesn't your supplier begin wondering how to rub you out when you are receiving .24 a piece and they are cutting you a check for 80% of the buyer's payment?

          1) volume/repeat purchases
          2) multiple buyers

          And I pay them. They don't cut me a check for anything.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy James
            Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

            1) volume/repeat purchases
            2) multiple buyers

            And I pay them. They don't cut me a check for anything.
            So - what you do is purchase 1 million widgets for $X. Do you make sure you have a buyer first? And, do you have the money in your account before you purchase?

            Jeremy
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            • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
              Originally Posted by Jeremy James View Post

              So - what you do is purchase 1 million widgets for . Do you make sure you have a buyer first? And, do you have the money in your account before you purchase?

              Jeremy

              Yep. My approach is different. I always have the "cash" (letter of credit) in advance. It's always someone else's money for points. Nobody does anything for free, and there's always a risk. I already have a contract in hand for a buyer(s) which hedges the risk to the investor.

              Read my deal outline above. 3rd party investors buy the parts for solar stuff. In fact, it's their asset. I never take direct ownership. I get paid a spread to source the stuff as a broker, and to bring buyer leads to the table via a (get this Durham....) a contracted telemarketing shop. (but they aren't cold calls )

              The other easy deal to do is syndicate a group buy purchase for volume. Get a bunch of buyers together who go in on a deal. That's a completely different deal structure. Represent the buyers at a unit price. Do all the leg work for the group buy as the value add because most don't have experience doing international trade. It can be complicated stuff that most small businesses don't even have a clue about where to begin.

              John likes to be a broker. That can work out too... again, a different deal.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by BryanC View Post

          Doesn't your supplier begin wondering how to rub you out when you are receiving .24 a piece and they are cutting you a check for 80% of the buyer's payment?

          My sellers see me as an ace up their sleeve and a valuable asset. They have no desire to burn me.

          Have I gotten a couple of nicks and scratches in this business in my time ...? Yes.

          Nothin you cant bouce back from. Its just all part of playin the game.
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    Perfect!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    Dammit Michael and John, you two are going to ruin my focus!

    ...

    Back to work I go...

    Rob
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      Dammit Michael and John, you two are going to ruin my focus!

      ...

      Back to work I go...

      Rob

      LOL... the entire thing can be established as a system like any other business. This is how trade import companies work. I do it a little differently but it all works by the same rules of engagement for money, shipping, customs, etc...
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      • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
        Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

        LOL... the entire thing can be established as a system like any other business. This is how trade import companies work. I do it a little differently but it all works by the same rules of engagement for money, shipping, customs, etc...
        Yes yes yes...I know...

        But I'm STILL not fully systemized to the point I can leave my IM business for months without work on my point. (Yeah, I'm slow. And lazy. That doesn't help)

        Rob
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Basics:

    1: Go to alibaba
    2: Pick a Niche
    3: Go to Edit: http://www.manta.com and create a custom wholesaler manufacturer list for free
    4: Start calling suppliers.

    Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

    Yes yes yes...I know...

    But I'm STILL not fully systemized to the point I can leave my IM business for months without work on my point. (Yeah, I'm slow. And lazy. That doesn't help)

    Rob
    It takes all of 2 days to find a supplier and start selling... but I know Rob... we're throwing you off focus.

    Sorry.:rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Basics:

      1: Go to alibaba
      2: Pick a Niche
      3: Go to http://www.thomas.net
      4: Start calling suppliers.



      It takes all of 2 days to find a supplier and start selling... but I know Rob... we're throwing you off focus.

      Sorry.:rolleyes:
      Sigh.

      Welp, I'm adding one more step:

      1. Hire VA.
      2. Give VA Alibaba.
      3. VA Picks Niche.
      4. VA Goes to thomas.net
      5. VA Starts Calling Suppliers.

      BTW - thanks guys, this thread has been really informative.

      Rob
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      • Profile picture of the author biggame5
        I went to www.thomas.net but it's not working for me what did I do wrong?
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by biggame5 View Post

          I went to www.thomas.net but it's not working for me what did I do wrong?
          Big game, just go to manta.com and create a list of wholesalers and manufacturers free. its actually even better than thomas registry these days... back when I started I used Thomas... before it was a website.

          back then we didnt have all these cool list creation things on the internet.

          i actually learned to locate liquidation lots, long before I learned how to "sell" them.
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  • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
    What a great idea! No idea how any of this works, but I am going to look into it.

    Thanks John and Mike!
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
    Banned
    I am licking my chops....


    please do tell all right here. I will be bookmarking and printing this off.
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  • Profile picture of the author NightWolf
    interesting...bit late for me, my time, but i'll def come back n read carefully. thanks for the tips!
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Just for giggles, I did a little googlage to see if anything is still out there regarding our old trading partnership, Capricorn Group International. Sure enough, there are some old references to it on some site, Traderscity.com where they had syndicated one of our UN Export Trade posts from about 1997.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy James
    You know - I just started browsing on this site - I can buy stuff, too, to resell. I found some wooden USB Sticks - how cool is that?

    So - if I understand this correctly - you get a contract from a buyer, then, go to a bank to get a Letter of Credit - and then, do the transaction?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Once you get into liquidations you will also have "wholesalers bugging you all the time trying to sell you cheap loads or give you opportunities to make money on them... this person below is an example. I get leads from her alot, and once brokered a load for her, but not much money in these loads... its not true liquiation prices... still you can make some profit.

    This klind of stuff sells good "American to American" ... but when selling over seas you have to leave some price padding to help them justify shipping costs. she has been making her living this way for years... I bought a load from her over 3 years ago... and she was fulltime then.

    Guys and Gals,

    I know, it's been a long time since you've heard from me - hope everyone is doing well and enjoying the beginning of fall!!!

    Have an opportunity to get a returns load from Linon. It is at their California warehouse. They have absolutely no details, cannot forward me any info about what is on the load except that it is 24 pallets of returned merchandise. Sorry :-(

    Linon will be closing their NJ warehouse and will be shipping everything from their California warehouse so they are trying to make room for that and they need to move this merchandise extremely fast. In the near future this warehouse move will give me the opportunity to sell first quality merch from their NJ warehouse because they want to move nothing to California so they will be cleaning house. When that opportunity comes along I will let you know and will have details of what is available and what the costs will be. He did remind me though, the prices will be 1st quality, not returns. Oh well.

    Anyway, back to the available load, they are selling it at a discounted rate of $5,500. Typically they were running anywhere from $7,000-$9,000, so this $5,500 sounds like a great deal, just absolutely no details which I know is a killer for everyone. However, if you have purchased their merchandise before and you have been satisfied, this could be a great deal.

    The California warehouse is located at the following address:

    Logistic Team
    218 Machlin Ct
    Walnut, Ca 91789

    If you are interested at all in this load, let me know and I can see how expensive it would be to move this load. I have a feeling the freight could be a killer.

    Now that I've totally not sold anyone on this load, give me a call on my cell if you are interested or in need of beefing up your inventory to prepare for the holidays.

    Thanks so much and have a great evening,


    I wont reveal her email address, but this is an example of a person who brokers closeout loads at "wholesale" prices... (small profit) she probably makes about 1500 per load, and sells two loads per week.


    This is an example of the newsletter I get from her every week.
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post


      I wont reveal her email address, but this is an example of a person who brokers closeout loads at "wholesale" prices... (small profit) she probably makes about 1500 per load, and sells two loads per week.


      This is an example of the newsletter I get from her every week.
      I will take 12k a month any time of the day... no need to be greedy.. Esp. if one gets to this amount after half a year of working on this..
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy James
        I looked up "Microsoft Office" and found several entries - even one for Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac - for $1. That can't be right, can it?

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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    What she probably does, as there are many ways you can structure your deal, is make contracts with retailers such as "homedecorators.com" is one of her clients I believe and sell their excess off for a regular commission instead of markup.

    I do it a bit differently, but this is just one of the many angles you can take once you are aware of how much distressed inventory exists in America.

    Again, if this was a true liquidation deal, that load would be $800, she is a secondary market wholesale agent.

    it's called "Closeouts", and thats what it is, but her prices are more "Wholesale".

    One reason I dont work much with stuff like above is because people pay by the "truckload".

    You can fit 50,000 units of wallpaper in a truckload and mark each unit up 20 cents, and still be selling at below manufacturers price.

    I like those kinds of deals. So do overseas buyers.
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      What she probably does, as there are many ways you can structure your deal, is make contracts with retailers such as "homedecorators.com" is one of her clients I believe and sell their excess off for a regular commission instead of markup.

      I do it a bit differently, but this is just one of the many angles you can take once you are aware of how much distressed inventory exists in America.

      Again, if this was a true liquidation deal, that load would be $800, she is a secondary market wholesale agent.

      it's called "Closeouts", and thats what it is, but the prices are more "Wholesale".

      One reason I dont work much with stuff like above is because people pay by the "truckload".

      You can fit 50,000 units of wallpaper in a truckload and mark each unit up 20 cents, and still be selling at below manufacturers price.

      I like those kinds of deals. So do overseas buyers.
      Possibilities are pretty huge... this thread blew my mind... And yeah, you get more than her doing things as you do.. so if it's possible, one needs to go after your type of deal...

      BTW, if you are still selling wallpapers, I might have a client for you man...
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    • Profile picture of the author Sam England
      Good stuff my friend...

      I have never personally used DOBA or WWB for finding reliable wholesalers and drop shippers, but it depends on the person and if they are willing to go around the middleman and go straight to the source like it do...it requires a little more work but the profit margins are so much better...

      Thanks,
      Sam
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Hambonz43 View Post

        Good stuff my friend...

        I have never personally used DOBA or WWB for finding reliable wholesalers and drop shippers, but it depends on the person and if they are willing to go around the middleman and go straight to the source like it do...it requires a little more work but the profit margins are so much better...

        Thanks,
        Sam
        Yeah dropshipping is a whole other category. I guess though this is the same, only you are droppshipping thousands of units at a time, at 3-5 cents on the dollar.
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    • Profile picture of the author BrashImpact
      Good HELLLLLLLLLL...You 2 are getting a phone call from me in the morning, This is the warrior forum..LMAO, we dont discuss Arbitrage, Buying conglomerates and multi-faceted deal here. Ho Hum, another great topic, let out of the bag by u 2.

      Michael and John... Just shoot me a PM with your Best Cell #s and lets put the next big deal together.

      Wishin i would have never opened this thread, no thinking better of it, wishin i would have stayed off the dam WF altogether tonight. Great Post guys, way to get all these Noobs wheels turning left and right. Now none of them will make money this week because they wont be sleeping.

      Regards
      Robert Nelson

      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      lol... It wasn't that exciting really. I am friends with his dad actually, so I didn't really get to kiss the rings. I just learned what they did by watching.
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      What she probably does, as there are many ways you can structure your deal, is make contracts with retailers such as "homedecorators.com" is one of her clients I believe and sell their excess off for a regular commission instead of markup.

      I do it a bit differently, but this is just one of the many angles you can take once you are aware of how much distressed inventory exists in America.

      Again, if this was a true liquidation deal, that load would be $800, she is a secondary market wholesale agent.

      it's called "Closeouts", and thats what it is, but her prices are more "Wholesale".

      One reason I dont work much with stuff like above is because people pay by the "truckload".

      You can fit 50,000 units of wallpaper in a truckload and mark each unit up 20 cents, and still be selling at below manufacturers price.

      I like those kinds of deals. So do overseas buyers.
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      • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
        Well, the thread took a turn earlier, but John stayed on course dealing with a AND putting together a WSO that I can't wait to read!

        I didn't comment earlier on the bickering, but I'm #TeamJohn
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      • Profile picture of the author TaiZ
        Originally Posted by BrashImpact View Post

        Michael and John... Just shoot me a PM with your Best Cell #s and lets put the next big deal together.
        Regards
        Robert Nelson
        So Robert, you've put together large trade deals as well? I'm just trying to figure out their incentive. :confused:


        I'm looking fwd to the WSO John, can't wait.
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        • Profile picture of the author BrashImpact
          Originally Posted by TaiZ View Post

          So Robert, you've put together large trade deals as well? I'm just trying to figure out their incentive. :confused:


          I'm looking fwd to the WSO John, can't wait.
          Taiz, lmao, i dabble, hows that for vauge, i go where the Money is,
          and right now my friend, the low hanging fruit is everywhere. This
          economic downturn will create some Monster Money for the people.

          Legacys will be born, and the next giant companys will come out of
          the wood work.

          They don't need incentive, they read my posts... It will either make sense
          or it wont.

          To your continued success my friend,
          Regards,
          Robert
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        • Profile picture of the author workson
          Great thread John, I just pm'ed you. I have lots of Alibaba experience as a buyer and never really done any selling there, and that's about to change quickly. looking forward to the report.... you rock!!

          BTW, there's an African saying that if you wrestle with a dirty pig people might not know who the filthy one is......
          You're too clean to wrestle with dirty pigs, John. Just ignore the detractors man.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Lol.

    Sure I have about 10 loads for sale.

    Thats about 40k commission if they all sell.

    The ultimate is the ever elusive "ten load buyer"... most buy one or two. Depends on what type of customers you focus on.
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Lol.

      Sure I have about 10 loads for sale.

      thats about 40k commission if they all sell.
      lol... PMing you about this..
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr.S
    Hello
    Do they tell you what merchandise they have? or is it in pallets like the letter above when you buy something and don't know what it is?
    How long is the offer valid when for example Maycys tells you I have something to get rid of. Month 2 Months? do they tell you once it is gone ?

    Thanks for great info
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    When you make a deal with a supplier they generally give you an inventory sheet like the one (attached) to help you represent to sellers, some also include pics...

    Usually buyers want to see the "manifest" or "inventory sheet" before making a decision.


    Ooops was trying to attach one for you to see but it wont let me.

    There we go. Try that:

    http://www.thecloseoutguy.org/untitled1.html
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      When you make a deal with a supplier they generally give you an inventory sheet like the one (attached) to help you represent to sellers, some also include pics...

      Usually buyers want to see the "manifest" or "inventory sheet" before making a decision.


      Ooops was trying to attach one for you to see but it wont let me.
      Any countries or suppliers to generally avoid?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr.S
    Great ideas here
    How much time do you have to find a buyer after you get the info about some merchandise?
    Could you broker deal of macys good to a local boutique or sell them on ebay etc? Or do these companies has some restriction as far as price goes, minimum to charge etc?

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    @ Ms. S

    Its not hard to find buyers. Once you have a stocklot for sale.

    You will start getting emails from alibaba buyers the moment you launch your ab campaign. I have 10 buyers in mine now that I havent even answered yet... gotta catch up.

    After you start getting emails its just a matter of responding and weeding out tire kickers. There is usually at least one sale in 15 responses... Once your email box loads up with interested prospects the emails start flying back and forth between you them and the manufacturer... and it usually takes a few weeks to hash out a deal... thats the hard part... emails start flying back and forth and faxes... its not hard to make a deal but activity picks up really fast around closing and it can be overwhelming to keep up with all the emails...

    Edit: Its only hard to keep up if you are a slow lazy high school drop out like me that is... alot of people move alot faster.

    Fulltimers have 5 deals going at once at all times usually.

    I have been doing other stuff thats more in line with pursuing my passions...


    Edit: I always eventually get around to my ab box though and do a couple of deals every year, at least... if not more.


    Each unit on the manifest (in post above)costs me $.50 and retails for around $30.00 so I sell it for about .70 per roll.

    I never touch the inventory or even walk into the warehouse.
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Each unit on the manifest (in post above)costs me $.50 and retails for around $30.00 so I sell it for about .70 per roll.

      I never touch the inventory or even walk into the warehouse.
      Jeezus-Christ-Good-God-Ohmighty...

      That's practically free... Why don't you ask more? Like 2 bucks a unit?
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  • Profile picture of the author tgglenn
    John, what are the pre-deal set-ups on these transactions? Or better yet, the legal

    requirements to become a buying agent, lawyers to get contracts drawn up, etc.? Or

    do the companies and buyers work out these details themselves? I have a few friends

    that are involved in shipping, construction, other aspects of a business like this, but

    are unaware of this type of opportunity!! I might be able to JV this with them for

    some good bank!!!!! Thanks in advance.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by tgglenn View Post

      John, what are the pre-deal set-ups on these transactions? Or better yet, the legal

      requirements to become a buying agent, lawyers to get contracts drawn up, etc.? Or

      do the companies and buyers work out these details themselves? I have a few friends

      that are involved in shipping, construction, other aspects of a business like this, but

      are unaware of this type of opportunity!! I might be able to JV this with them for

      some good bank!!!!! Thanks in advance.
      Liquidation merchandise being backed up in the system is one of the leading problems with our economy, getting this stiuff off the US market is an important thing also to alot of these manufacturers...to much closeout merchandise floating around in US dollar stores drives their retail price down.

      It shocks me that your employers arent aware of the industry...

      however, I have found that alot of people arent... so this is a good opportunity to share something that seems fresh to alot of people.
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  • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
    Is anyone else excited what these two men have shared with us today? It's like Christmas has come early. I am putting my other 2,943 projects on hold (again) to read into this a bit more.

    One more post and I can PM!
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

      Is anyone else excited what these two men have shared with us today? It's like Christmas has come early. I am putting my other 2,943 projects on hold (again) to read into this a bit more.

      One more post and I can PM!
      This thread just blew my mind.. I was going to get myself into offline marketing helping businesses with websites and such but after this thread... that looks small and not as interesting..
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      • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
        Originally Posted by AfteraDream View Post

        This thread just blew my mind.. I was going to get myself into offline marketing helping businesses with websites and such but after this thread... that looks small and not as interesting..
        I have a project I started two weeks ago and then I bought another WSO and I started that, but am combining thew two ideas. Things aren't picking up at fast as I'd like, but I am going to keep after. I happened to click on this post this morning and my head is spinning with idea, because like you said, "that looks small and not as interesting"

        I'd love to make a $5,000 sale/month. I'm not greedy, dedicate one day/week on this and pocket an extra $5,000.


        1. I am making a list of wholesalers/suppliers to start calling in the morning.
        2. Get in good with them
        3. Post an ad on Alibaba and wait for the emails to roll in.

        Is it really that easy?
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        • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
          Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

          I have a project I started two weeks ago and then I bought another WSO and I started that, but am combining thew two ideas. Things aren't picking up at fast as I'd like, but I am going to keep after. I happened to click on this post this morning and my head is spinning with idea, because like you said, "that looks small and not as interesting"

          I'd love to make a $5,000 sale/month. I'm not greedy, dedicate one day/week on this and pocket an extra $5,000.


          1. I am making a list of wholesalers/suppliers to start calling in the morning.
          2. Get in good with them
          3. Post an ad on Alibaba and wait for the emails to roll in.

          Is it really that easy?
          Good job man! I'm trying to make a deal happen too...

          Keep me updated on how its going for ya! We could do a small mastermind group maybe! lol

          5k a month would totally awesome..would let me focus on this and my passion project full-time..
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

          I have a project I started two weeks ago and then I bought another WSO and I started that, but am combining thew two ideas. Things aren't picking up at fast as I'd like, but I am going to keep after. I happened to click on this post this morning and my head is spinning with idea, because like you said, "that looks small and not as interesting"

          I'd love to make a $5,000 sale/month. I'm not greedy, dedicate one day/week on this and pocket an extra $5,000.


          1. I am making a list of wholesalers/suppliers to start calling in the morning.
          2. Get in good with them
          3. Post an ad on Alibaba and wait for the emails to roll in.

          Is it really that easy?

          People do it every day bro.

          Easy?

          It depends on what you are passionate about. I have ten buyers in my box right now, but the idea of hashing out details and weeding out the tire kickers is daunting for me, so I put it off alot... even though I know there is a 10k commission in there somewhere, or who knows maybe 40k if one is a 10 load buyer.

          I dont like to haggle... thats phase two. after you have generated interest in your box, you start negotiating with buyers via email and weeding people out... it only takes about 2 days to blow your box up with interested customers, but a few weeks to hash it down to the actual buyer usually.

          In answer to the easy question I can tell you this. Almost exactly this time last year I was sitting in my underwear at 3 oclock in the morning in the mind warriors forum chatting with hey sal I think (oops forgot to mention the underwear thing to her...probably would have ruined the conversation. lol) while simultaneously chatting with a chinese buyer on AB closing a 7 k commission deal... I remember distinctly even telling someone on the warrior forum..."Hey Im closing a deal right now". A week later I had my commission...

          I have closed several since, but that one stands out to me... because I was so proud if making 7k in my underwear!

          I like offline web sales alot personally, because I like working with and training telemarketers...

          I think the money potential is about the same really. Only one requires more person to person contact. Alibaba is mostly email.

          I have never walked 5 feet away from my desk to close a deal.

          You could become a millionaire with either. Of course with liquidation deals you are more likely to make a 100k commission in one sale, also you get repeat buyers...

          All business takes a hardcore determination.

          This is just an "Offline" Arena idea, that is fresh to some,old to the old liquidators, most of whome are not online... and maybe enlightening for some here who didnt see it as what it is , an "Offline/Online Hybrid Biz Model"
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          • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post


            I dont like to haggle... thats phase two. after you have generated interest in your box, you start negotiating with buyers via email and weeding people out... it only takes about 2 days to blow your box up with interested customers, but a few weeks to hash it down to the actual buyer usually.

            This has been my experience (little that I have) with AB buyers.. they just contact asking for price and no response back.. Price might be too high..but they could at least try to negotiate and maybe work something out eventually..
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            • Profile picture of the author John Durham
              Originally Posted by AfteraDream View Post

              This has been my experience (little that I have) with AB buyers.. they just contact asking for price and no response back.. Price might be too high..but they could at least try to negotiate and maybe work something out eventually..

              So you mean you have "business experience" then.
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              • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
                Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

                So you mean you have "business experience" then.
                Like two weeks worth of it lol.. talking with suppliers is part of my daily routine ( recent example is gonna be importing new product into Ireland from UK, basically took two emails and we worked out partnership..now selling part comes in, the tougher one), that's interesting part and I like making a deal you know.. but legal stuff and money transferring scares me.. If AB was partnering between buyer and seller as money transferrer, that would be safer.

                But everything is learn-able.. I will invest time in it, maybe fail couple of times and this could be my thing! Improving my negotiation skills is needed (will join your forum for that I think) too..
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    @afteradream....

    Volume... easy sales.... low hanging fruit...

    Thats why they buy from me, because Im easy to say yes to. I sell a couple loads and Im happy with my 8k... do that 3-5 times per year... get a 10-15k sales once in awhile...

    Dont rock the boat a whole lot. Im bringing the best prices to the table. You can too.

    Here's my motto:

    "A deal well bought is half sold".
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      @afteradream....

      Volume... easy sales.... low hanging fruit...

      Thats why they buy from me, because Im easy to say yes to. I sell a couple loads and Im happy with my 8k... do that 3-5 times per year... get a 10-15k sales once in awhile...

      Dont rock the boat a whole lot. Im bringing the best prices to the table. You can too.

      Here's my motto:

      "A deal well bought is half sold".
      I see! No need to be greedy..

      And you make this sound so easy....
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    Re: Post #60 above. Do you need to register as an agent with someone, contracts,

    international laws, etc??? Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
    A team effort is a great idea!

    I'd love to put some time into this and fine tune some things where I spend a few hours/week on this while I chase my dream. That's what this is all about, to free us to do WHAT we want, WHEN we want. I actually love this IM thing though. It's turned into a passion of mine the last 2 months.

    PM me if you want to discuss this more.
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      Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

      A team effort is a great idea!

      I'd love to put some time into this and fine tune some things where I spend a few hours/week on this while I chase my dream. That's what this is all about, to free us to do WHAT we want, WHEN we want. I actually love this IM thing though. It's turned into a passion of mine the last 2 months.

      PM me if you want to discuss this more.
      Yeah, we have to make it happen...
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    I appreciate the response(hope we all didn't get the mental picture i almost got).

    I shouldn't have used the word "easy" as I know none of this is easy, it just takes hard-work and determination, like anything really. I am going to start making calls in the morning and get a feel for his type of thing and see where it takes me. If I can be on a beach in Tahiti by Christmas, I'll send you a postcard.

    I wouldn't mind a sale/month for some extra income and chase my real dream...

    ...A screeenplay writer in Hollywood.

    Thanks again John for all the information and answering all our questions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr.S
    I know you mentioned that earlier go to Alibaba and start. Would you mind writing down Steps what you do. How do you negotiate with businesses that provide you merchandise do you sign a contract with them or they just sent you an email telling you I have this and that get rid of it for $$$$ that much or whatever you want. Did you setup an account with them first? I probably over thing that too much sorry
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  • Profile picture of the author evanlambda
    Very interesting read, look forward to future posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author CurtisN
    This is very fascinating...it's not everyday that you learn something as fresh as this

    So John, my biggest concern would be the paperwork aspect - I wouldn't know where to begin.

    What documents would I need? How much for the lawyer fees, and who pays? Do you need to worry about different things for people from different countries?

    I don't know enough about how this works to even ask the proper questions or to know what I'm missing, haha.

    Everything aside from the legal stuff actually seems rather straightforward. Given some time to research and practice, I'm sure anyone could easily do this.

    Sounds like you can pretty much "trial and error" everything except the legal stuff
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I wanted to say to all those saying "im gonna research this"... be careful. If you research according to google hot keywords... hot products... or using the supply and demand formulas you usually go by... you are on a wild goose chase.

    Your hottest product is gonna be a "distressed one"...

    Computers are "hot" on AB, but you will be hard pressed to find a desperate supplier who has a million computers for sale at 3 scents on the wholesale dollar...

    Even you are not able to buy low like that then you dont stick out among the thousand of other people selling computers...

    The clincher here is "price". "A deal well bought is half sold".

    Throw all your ppc knowledge out.

    This is an industry where "upside down" products are king.

    Just because something is popular and there is large demand and small supply...

    Wrong track... that is "running deer" when you should be "chasing coon"...

    You need to be looking for a "distressed product" not a hot one.
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  • Profile picture of the author LasseKohau
    Another great businessmodel.

    Thanks, LASSE
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    • Profile picture of the author blackjack
      Hi John

      Hope that you remember me when you started something similar before on WF.

      Well, John gave really great gems there but I never manged to pull one deal. I posted ad on AB and I got bombarded with email from people selling rather than buying. I contacted few manufactured and these guys didn't want to know ( may people like John were on their books already) So after trying 3/4 months I just gave up BUT now John got me excited again.

      John, as I did mentioned on the other group, it would be great to put together an live example. I am not saying that this is not possible but it is not easy as it looks. For anyone who hasn't done anything like this or have no contact in this filed, it is daunting task.


      Given current economy, this would be great to do deals like this.


      BTW John, sent you PM if you don't mind replying.
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  • Profile picture of the author AskiKaOwnzYou
    This is so crazy it will actually work, message me and give me your paypal email address, I will personally offer 10% for life for this legitiate technique, I yself have purchased video phones to retail in australia, etc etc off alibaba.com

    If you only knew how I felt after you undercovers this other method on alibaba.com - sheesh, I could so kiis you right now! and I am a guy lololol...
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Guys Its 3am, and I am working on a report for this... should be about another 24 hours... I am putting live email threads in it... to show actual sequential emails of deals with buyers and sellers being made... very cool, also REAL purchase orders and invoices...

    I dont want to give you a crap report so I need another day or so.

    Ps I will probably build a small private discussion thread for report readers, to try and help people get deals going...

    That has worked very well with the offline cold callers that I have been forum training, many are seeing HUGE results and making more money than I do now!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Guys Its 3am, and I am working on a report for this... should be about another 24 hours... I am putting live email threads in it... to show actual sequential emails of deals with buyers and sellers being made... very cool, also REAL purchase orders and invoices...

      I dont want to give you a crap report so I need another day or so.

      Ps I will probably build a small private discussion thread for report readers, to try and help people get deals going...

      That has worked very well with the offline cold callers that I have been forum training, many are seeing HUGE results and making more money than I do now!!!

      Can't wait.. wonder what the price will be..

      Emails in it will be awesome!
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    • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Guys Its 3am, and I am working on a report for this... should be about another 24 hours... I am putting live email threads in it... to show actual sequential emails of deals with buyers and sellers being made... very cool, also REAL purchase orders and invoices...

      I dont want to give you a crap report so I need another day or so.

      Ps I will probably build a small private discussion thread for report readers, to try and help people get deals going...

      That has worked very well with the offline cold callers that I have been forum training, many are seeing HUGE results and making more money than I do now!!!
      Are you serious this time? I am tired of you getting my hopes up high. That report was due looooong time ago! I assume it is alot more involved than you initially planned. At least the private report for me was due. On another note: Take your time, we want all the details maybe it would be 1000 pages!

      Rambling aside: It would be nice to get michael on board with his knowledge as a bonus report if not co author. 2 different techniques, but, both produce dollars. If bonus report it could be a John Durham interview Mike Hiles.

      P.S. private discussion would be fabulous. Let alone discussion period.
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
        Originally Posted by janok View Post

        Are you serious this time? I am tired of you getting my hopes up high. That report was due looooong time ago! I assume it is alot more involved than you initially planned. At least the private report for me was due. On another note: Take your time, we want all the details maybe it would be 1000 pages!

        Rambling aside: It would be nice to get michael on board with his knowledge as a bonus report if not co author. 2 different techniques, but, both produce dollars. If bonus report it could be a John Durham interview Mike Hiles.

        P.S. private discussion would be fabulous. Let alone discussion period.
        I'd be open to a collaboration with John on something. We've got similar views on enough things to be informative, and opposing views on enough things to make it interesting.
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  • Profile picture of the author mtucker
    I am definitely interested and here is my email address wealthmakerpro@gmail.com so look forward to anything else you have to share.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsprank
    Sounds like it will be a great report, especially if its as good as your telemarketing report.
    Looking forward to it.

    Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author James Foster
    John, as usual, you're rockin' it!

    Another great post.

    We gotta do an interview one of these days buddy.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Michael is the Alibaba GOD here... Im shocked at how many references he makes, and no one picks up. Im just a guy who sell closeout loads to wholesales shmucks who want to buy stuff that that we dont want anymore...lol

    Really not that glamorous... but theres money.

    Michael my skype is john.durham8 if you feel like chatting anytime. I would be honored to work with you on it... We could show a few different angles for making money on there. Alibaba ranks pages so well that some people even market Affiliate products on it... theres a ton of angles. I would love to be associated with such an esteemed marketing master as yourself... and together , send a bunch of willy nilly, starry eyed dreamers to the internets biggest untapped "Land of Oppportunity".
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Michael is the Alibaba GOD here... Im shocked at how many references he makes, and no one picks up. Im just a guy who sell closeout loads to wholesales shmucks who want to buy stuff that that we dont want anymore...lol

      Really not that glamorous... but theres money.

      Michael my skype is john.durham8 if you feel like chatting anytime. I would be honored to work with you on it... We could show a few different angles for making money on there. Alibaba ranks pages so well that some people even market Affiliate products on it... theres a ton of angles. I would love to be associated with such an esteemed marketing master as yourself... and together , send a bunch of willy nilly, starry eyed dreamers to the internets biggest untapped "Land of Oppportunity".
      rofl @ willy nilly starry eyed dreamers...

      skype incoming
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    • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Michael is the Alibaba GOD here... Im shocked at how many references he makes, and no one picks up.
      Years of experience makes it easy
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  • Profile picture of the author activetrader
    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post


    So there's how I make money on Alibaba, basically if you do what I said here, you can too!
    I knew about Alibaba web site but never thought of how to use it. If I could find a guide or a report on how to do what you do step by step I'd definitely like to buy it.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Ive the Alibaba God on skype...shhhh... so exciting... lol
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    I think I gave him a couple multi-million dollar opportunity ideas.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Yeah, it was cool chatting with the Big Mack! Im already a millionaire, and it was only 5 minutes ago!
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    • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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      Yada yada yada.....now can we get back to the small fry.....what about that product? Us dreamers who will never amount to anything pockets are burning for you to take our monies, ta hehe

      seriously though are you two going to collab on this project. I'll be checking while doing my own trial and error at the same time.


      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      I think I gave him a couple multi-million dollar opportunity ideas.
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Yeah, it was cool chatting with the Big Mack! Im already a millionaire, and it was only 5 minutes ago!
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Yeah, it was cool chatting with the Big Mack! Im already a millionaire, and it was only 5 minutes ago!
        I'm not the big mack. I'm just a jr. bacon cheeseburger in the grand scheme of things.

        Originally Posted by janok View Post

        Yada yada yada.....now can we get back to the small fry.....what about that product? Us dreamers who will never amount to anything pockets are burning for you to take our monies, ta hehe

        seriously though are you two going to collab on this project. I'll be checking while doing my own trial and error at the same time.
        We are collaborating on something but John is going to release his report as planned. So everyone can get access to his strategy without confusing the issue. Then we'll have some good stuff later on down the road.
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  • Profile picture of the author Craig McPherson
    A colleague of mine (wish he was a good friend) makes over 300K a year simply brokering deals with mining equipment, earth moving equipment etc.

    He started on Alibaba about 3 years ago but uses other middlemen now so I know this is lucrative.

    Another 10/10 post for JD too. Thanks mate.
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  • Profile picture of the author KaterSD
    This is crazy, I like a few here have been looking into offline marketing, and now after reading this that seems small. Im all in...
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by vApor View Post

      This is crazy, I like a few here have been looking into offline marketing, and now after reading this that seems small. Im all in...
      Yeah man..I haven't really been in the main forum last day because of this thread. This opportunity is much better..Looks like WSO will be ready soon..
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Yeah 24 hours is turning into 48... we'll get ur done though....
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Yeah 24 hours is turning into 48... we'll get ur done though....
      You better do... jk
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  • Profile picture of the author James Foster
    I'm telling you John... video my friend.
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    Much love to you James. I hear you man!
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  • Profile picture of the author THK
    Hey John
    Thanks for this informative thread.

    Question- You didn't have any luck finding buyers outside AB? I mean using traditional IM methods didn't get you any results?

    I guess it makes sense. Buyers like that probably already know where to look for sellers and less likely to do a random search on Google etc.

    I got interested in something very similar but faced too many roadblocks and found no way around them, so had to move on. It has been a while but it still seems like a dead end. Will see if I find those answers.

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    • Profile picture of the author ivana
      I thought I should chip in

      I've worked with John before on this, and at the time I could not get into it because I was too busy with IM.

      Anyways, he opened my eyes to strategies, and over the last year I've met people who are doing this and making a living off it! People who are NOT based in US at all.

      So I am looking forward to the guide. I know how to get buyers and seller, but what I would like to learn is all the "technical" terms such as FOB etc.

      It would be nice if John would offer a coaching program for couple of months, and in return get % of commission.
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      • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
        Originally Posted by ivana View Post


        It would be nice if John would offer a coaching program for couple of months, and in return get % of commission.
        Yeah, I suggested it for him too. Most help is needed with terminology as yuo said and with legal stuff..
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      • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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        Originally Posted by AfteraDream View Post

        Yeah, I suggested it for him too. Most help is needed with terminology as yuo said and with legal stuff..
        God forbid John falls off the face of the earth oh what will we do?

        I really don't think John feels as though he needs a coaching program. If you ask him anything he will respond with no problems. If we read what he said earlier in this thread he mention there is nothing really to add. Go to alibaba get an account. FInd suppliers, sell on alibaba. The end.

        Maybe we are pressuring him to do more than needs to be done. Maybe we should just keep this simple and do it. If there is a snapfoo, we can find out a way to fix it. The supplier should be handling all the shipping stuff anyway. If there is terminology in an email we don't understand then google it. I am sure we have to problem solve on some level. We are too reliant on John to give us everything thinking once we have it all we can get started. Let's do this now!

        P.S. John if the guide is stressing don't worry about it. You have given us a great way to get started it is up to us to problem solve with what you have given us.
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        • Profile picture of the author dsprank
          Originally Posted by janok View Post

          Maybe we are pressuring him to do more than needs to be done.
          I don't think that he is being pressured too hard on this. He already put in a great deal of effort just on this thread for free. God knows that I have paid lots of money over the years for less information than has been on this thread.

          If John wants to do a WSO to make a little money for his idea, i think he deserves it.

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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by dsprank View Post

            I don't think that he is being pressured too hard on this. He already put in a great deal of effort just on this thread for free. God knows that I have paid lots of money over the years for less information than has been on this thread.

            If John wants to do a WSO to make a little money for his idea, i think he deserves it.

            Dave
            I have always figured "people dont care how much you know...tll they know how much you care..."

            Originally Posted by Jenni Mac View Post

            Hi John, great info on this one thread! Haven't seen such a valuable thread on the WF for months!

            Just out of interest, I've tried signing up for your forum in your sig, but can't get registered? Are you not accepting new registrations at the moment?

            thanks again for the info here!
            We are having some trouble today with that , trying to get maintenance on it....

            BTW we are already ranked 9999 on alexa, being only 6 weeks old, we are dominating telemarketing keywords, and getting over 3,000 page views per day!

            Cool huh?

            And it was just supposed to be a support system for report buyers... funny how successs accidentally HAPPENS when you are in action!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author THK
          Originally Posted by janok View Post


          ... there is nothing really to add. Go to alibaba get an account. FInd suppliers, sell on alibaba. The end.
          You think? What do you think goes down in the negotiation phase? How to weed out the tire kickers? How long do you think it will take someone to figure out that they are dealing with a noob. Once they do, many of them won't hesitate to take you (or me or any other new guy) for a ride and it won't be pleasant.

          Plus without knowing how to ask the right questions I doubt one can get a good deal from suppliers, which is, according to John, half of the sale.

          I agree with you on the fact that John has been very generous to share all he has so far. A big thanks to him.

          I think it is a good idea to learn enough before starting something new like this. I don't feel like I have enough info. If anyone willing to jump right in, I will be following him/her and see how it is done. It is going to be good.

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  • Profile picture of the author perfectlovehere
    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

    It shocks me daily that U.S. based marketers still havent caught onto the Gold Mine that exists on ALIBABA.COM

    To this day it is one of the most high traffic sites in the world. Only there is something even more special about it...

    They are all LARGE QUANTITY buyers and sellers.

    I want to share a system with you here for free on the Warrior forum. It is very simple, and it has made me about $300k on alibaba over the last 5-6 years working part time.

    If you look up the term "wallpaper stocklot" on google you will see that I have dominated the first page for 5 years now, and I havent even got that great of presentations...

    I dont have to be flashy, heck; half my customers dont even speak fluent english. They appreciate my simplistic ways... because they are not hard to assimilate.

    They dont understand alot of sales bs... what they understand is "Would you like to buy a load of wallpaper"?

    Seriously. That simple.

    Years ago I learned how to contact manufacturers, retail, and wholesale distributors like "Mattell" and "Kellogs" and "macy's"... to ask a simple question:

    "Do you folks have any distressed merchandise you need to unload..."?

    What I found is that in 4 out of ten of these calls, the answer was "Yes".

    In fact most of them had quantities in excess of a million units, that were taking up valuable ware house space, and they were almost at the point of throwing them out or donating them... They had written them off as a loss on their taxes...

    Things like:

    "Batman Dolls"
    Electronic Piggy Banks"
    "Clothing such as Ralph Lauren Polo Shirts"
    "Wallpaper and Home decor Items"
    "Furniture"
    "Costume Jewelry"

    Any and everything that you might see in a "One dollar Store".

    These people are willing to sell these MILLIONS of units at a time for as little as 3 cents on the dollar. for various reasons, it makes sense for them.

    How do you think a product that retails for $19.99 ends up in a discount store selling for $1.00

    Anyway, I learned to locate these lots of merchandise, and a few years ago I learned that you could sell them BY THE TRUCKLOAD for thousands of dollars.

    1: I created "Broker" relationships with manufacturers.
    2: I would offer to "buy" their million units of a $30.00 product, for $0.04 per unit... then sell it off in trucklooads at $0.24 per units... 50,000 unts at a time... get this:

    Without ever picking up a phone.

    1: If you are willing to contact manufacturers and wholesalers to ask about their distressed inventory.
    2: Offer to broker it for them.
    3: Get on Alibaba and offer the stocklot it to the THOUSANDS of bulk buyers overseas who are dying to buy the stuff at your "WAAAAAAAY below wholesale prices.

    Then you can make 5K 10K 20K per pop!

    Admittedly my average commission is beween 5-10K, but there are guys who focus on selling to bigger customers who buy a million units at a time, and they regularly make 50-100k commission checks!

    If you could pull 2 or 3 deals like off per year you would be set BIGTIME.

    As for me I have average about 50K per year over 6 years with it, but Im sure I could blow it up if I worked harder.

    Your buyers dont even want to talk to you on the phone, they prefer email because of language barriers, so selling is fairly easy work. Mostly sending emails back and forth to buyers...

    One time I put out an ad and some guy from china wired me $20,000 within 24 hours and I got a $7500 commission, and other times it takes weeks to close a 5k deal maybe even a couple of months... but once again, I dont work too hard at it. If you did you could make a TON!

    So there's how I make money on Alibaba, basically if you do what I said here, you can too!
    *applauds* Bravo! Very nice guide! Thanks for sharing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Guys... No stress... just timing thats all I will have it out today, however I agree with Janok... Its pretty much just Finding a product" and selling it on AB.

    The part that will help you most is the interview script for suppliers...

    But yes, I stumbled onto this and created my system out of common sense. What will comfort you most is that a guy who can barely type a paragraph without mistakes, or even knows how to do a decent camtasia vid can do this, and make 5 figure sales via email.

    @ Ivana, nice to see you!

    Of course I will set up a private forum or discussion group for this, for post sale questions.

    I think any integritable person who sells a report should do that, because people are going to want and need support. Thats what I did with my last report, because I knew they would need support.

    Now because of having a daily resource to turn to to for help, some have taken the report and are now consistently making thousands of dollars per day. I dont think that would have happened without the forum I set up for them, because its too easy to give up otherwiase.

    So yes Ivana, you KNOW, Im gonna be there for you...Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jenni Mac
      Hi John, great info on this one thread! Haven't seen such a valuable thread on the WF for months!

      Just out of interest, I've tried signing up for your forum in your sig, but can't get registered? Are you not accepting new registrations at the moment?

      thanks again for the info here!
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  • Profile picture of the author Summer1
    That seems to be great idea, but be careful with scammers in Alibaba, i have heard a lot about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author DaveHughes
      Summer1, this isn't necessarily directed at you, but you happen to be a convenient excuse to mention something that I've noticed lately around the WF.

      This type of comment:

      be careful with scammers in Alibaba, i have heard a lot about it
      It's good to be community-minded and want to look out for everyone's safety, but I see more and more folks (on a variety of topics) using the "Urban Legend Model" of information...in other words, "they" say this or that.

      Not saying you're incorrect; in fact, I'm willing to bet that you are 100% correct. I have no personal experience with Alibaba (something I'm about to change...thanks, John!), but there are scammers everywhere on the planet where money can change hands, including Ebay and (wait for it)...the WSO forum right here on WF. It's a fairly generic warning, based on second- or third-hand information.

      In John (and Michael), we're hearing from people that have been dealing with the subject matter first-hand for years; they're not telling us anything based on what "they" say, they're telling us their personal, first-hand experience.

      Which one would you listen to...a guy that runs up and says "Hey! I just dug a hole right over there and found gold! Look at it! There's more down there...go get some!", or your brother-in-law, who tells you that his best friend's neighbor tried getting gold out of a hole in the ground once, but he was bitten by a snake, so you'd better not take a chance on it?

      I know which one I'm listening to.
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      • Profile picture of the author Robert Domino
        Originally Posted by DaveHughes View Post

        Summer1, this isn't necessarily directed at you, but you happen to be a convenient excuse to mention something that I've noticed lately around the WF.

        This type of comment:



        It's good to be community-minded and want to look out for everyone's safety, but I see more and more folks (on a variety of topics) using the "Urban Legend Model" of information...in other words, "they" say this or that.

        Not saying you're incorrect; in fact, I'm willing to bet that you are 100% correct. I have no personal experience with Alibaba (something I'm about to change...thanks, John!), but there are scammers everywhere on the planet where money can change hands, including Ebay and (wait for it)...the WSO forum right here on WF. It's a fairly generic warning, based on second- or third-hand information.

        In John (and Michael), we're hearing from people that have been dealing with the subject matter first-hand for years; they're not telling us anything based on what "they" say, they're telling us their personal, first-hand experience.

        Which one would you listen to...a guy that runs up and says "Hey! I just dug a hole right over there and found gold! Look at it! There's more down there...go get some!", or your brother-in-law, who tells you that his best friend's neighbor tried getting gold out of a hole in the ground once, but he was bitten by a snake, so you'd better not take a chance on it?

        I know which one I'm listening to.
        No offense but you just stated that you have no experience with that type of wholesale website.

        You HAVE to be extremely careful, because scammers are everywhere. In fact, I can guarantee you that there are more scammers and middle men than there are legitimate sellers.

        I'm interested in this thread too, but his warning was legitimate.
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        • Profile picture of the author DaveHughes
          Originally Posted by Robert Domino View Post

          No offense but you just stated that you have no experience with that type of wholesale website.

          You HAVE to be extremely careful, because scammers are everywhere. In fact, I can guarantee you that there are more scammers and middle men than there are legitimate sellers.

          I'm interested in this thread too, but his warning was legitimate.
          No offense taken, Robert.

          I agree, which is why I actually said this in the post you quoted:

          Not saying you're incorrect; in fact, I'm willing to bet that you are 100% correct. I have no personal experience with Alibaba (something I'm about to change...thanks, John!), but there are scammers everywhere on the planet where money can change hands, including Ebay and (wait for it)...the WSO forum right here on WF. It's a fairly generic warning, based on second- or third-hand information.
          It wasn't the warning that bothered me...it was the fact that it was based on the "they say" model of proof, rather than personal experience such as John's or Michael's. It's something I see running rampant, and it bothers me.

          Having said that, see Michael's post above mine for the reason why the warning isn't necessarily applicable (or, at least, not as serious of a problem) in this case.
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          • Profile picture of the author Robert Domino
            Oh I understood that he's not buying etc.

            My comment was more directed at the "urban myth" statement that was made about scammers on those websites.

            I have both bought and sold on websites like that (very small scale) and haven't had very positive experiences.

            So, even if his business model has limited risk, that comment hit a nerve :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author James Foster
    I gotta agree with John on this. He has more of a Jay Abraham approach to it.

    I certainly wouldn't want to buy a product then have the deal fall through. Not only would I be on the hook for the product (and having to find a place to store it), but it could put a person on the hook for thousands of dollars they don't have.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by James Foster View Post

      I gotta agree with John on this. He has more of a Jay Abraham approach to it.

      I certainly wouldn't want to buy a product then have the deal fall through. Not only would I be on the hook for the product (and having to find a place to store it), but it could put a person on the hook for thousands of dollars they don't have.
      Thats why you want to learn it from someone who cares about you James!

      I hate it when people rehash reports, and write about stuff that they have never actually done... they can really hurt people with that. What if someone loses their marriage and everything over some stupid advice?

      Sorry, but the average person will lose their ass if they "Buy" and a customer backs out, or at best end up holding a warehouse full of stuff for years on end till nobody wants to buy it anymore.

      then you will be paying 4k per month for space, and looking for a liquidator to help unload your warehouse.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I dont buy from alibaba... I just sell.

    But I had a customer back out on a 100k po, that was done with LC... and I almost lost my supplier... you will see in report because I put the email thread in there, where I had to convince him to let me sell to her again later when she came back and wanted to buy again the next year... he made her pay cash.

    It was an 18k deal...

    Anyway, he was real hesitant about working with me after she did that... and I had to prove myself again.

    I also accepted a check from sombody in the UK, cashed it, fulfilled their order, and then it didnt clear the second bank... almost shipped the porduct, and lost 12k in CASH...long story.

    Never buy. Broker. Unless you have a retail store or something.

    I only accept money up front now, via bankwire and i "Broker". Its much better IMHO and EASIER!

    People who are serious will wire the cash.


    Oh the point of this post was that we were going to sue her for the 100k po, but with all the different laws in different countries... it would have been a 6 month headache so we didnt.

    EDIT: Now I just sit at my computer and email people saying "here's the invoice" wire me the cash when you are serious.
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    • Profile picture of the author etrin
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      I dont buy from alibaba... I just sell.

      But I had a customer back out on a 100k po, that was done with LC... and I almost lost my supplier... you will see in report because I put the email thread in there, where I had to convince him to let me sell to her again later when she came back and wanted to buy again the next year... he made her pay cash.

      It was an 18k deal...

      Anyway, he was real hesitant about working with me after she did that... and I had to prove myself again.

      I also accepted a check from sombody in the UK, cashed it, fulfilled their order, and then it didnt clear the second bank... almost shipped the porduct, and lost 12k in CASH...long story.

      Never buy. Broker. Unless you have a retail store or something.

      I only accept money up front now, via bankwire and i "Broker". Its much better IMHO and EASIER!

      People who are serious will wire the cash.


      Oh the point of this post was that we were going to sue her for the 100k po, but with all the different laws in different countries... it would have been a 6 month headache so we didnt.
      This alone should be worth the price of the WSO. Thanks for sharing!
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      I only accept money up front now, via bankwire and i "Broker". Its much better IMHO and EASIER!

      People who are serious will wire the cash.


      EDIT: Now I just sit at my computer and email people saying "here's the invoice" wire me the cash when you are serious.
      Most of potential buyers who contact you probably dislike it. Makes a deal harder..but on the other hand, it weeds out the tire kickers.
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  • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
    I think scammers are everywhere.. life is not always fair. But that doesn't mean this is too risky. Esp. if you only broker and not buy stuff yourself...

    To me this thread is THE best thread I've read on this forum..maybe the giant megathread about Offline marketing can beat it only..
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  • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
    Can't wait no more lol... gonna go to Alibaba and start looking for possible suppliers right now... time to get my feet wet at least a little while waiting for WSO! Having help from John later on will be great.
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  • Profile picture of the author matrixman
    John - Terrific post and great information! If it were me, I'd forgo the WSO and just do a coaching program with a few that are serious. Maybe take a % off their sales like someone suggested. That would be fun. In any case I'd love to see a coaching program for this (but make it limited).
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  • Profile picture of the author jrod014
    Looking forward to the report.

    So basically you find unwanted items in bulk from manufacturers and list them on Alibaba on markup correct?

    How do you account for shipping?

    Thanks,

    Jerry
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by jrod014 View Post

      Looking forward to the report.

      So basically you find unwanted items in bulk from manufacturers and list them on Alibaba on markup correct?

      Sombody give this man a medal!

      Alot of people want you to think stuff is rocket science. Most of it is common sense. But I guess as long as there's rocket science there can be gurus

      The "discovering" of an idea is the most important thing. Yes there are things to learn, yes I can save you months of trial and error, but if you can figure out how to just "find unwanted items in bulk from manufacturers and list them on Alibaba" then... with or without anyones help you can do it.

      Most shipping terms can be googled... its really not rocket science. But if you want to avoid some trial and error, sure I can help. Today my friends, it will be done... trying to sort out some tech issues on my forum at the moment.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThunderingHerd
        Am looking forward to the report.
        If it is as good as your last, I see positive cashflow in my future.
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  • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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    I have used Ali baba a lot and to be honest its full of scammers who want to rip people off.

    This is not something that is "easy money", unless you have found a easy system that actually works.

    If this is something "game changing" maybe I will be interested but anything to do with Ali Baba gets a thumbs down from me. Just my 2 cents.

    And this business model seems to be too much work.

    But I am so excited about this, looking forward to this. In fact I have set a personal timer for you.
    :rolleyes:


    P.S Are we allowed to do a pre-launch on thread? I thought that was against the forum rules?
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Wow its amazing how some people are player haters... actually what I am doing and what i ALWAYS do is give out a TON of free info...its called "sharing" and sometimes it generates interest.

      ... sorry people are attracted to actual sustainance.

      If you read above you will see that these contributions are benevolent, and not just "buy my report".

      i am even telling them they dont need to.

      It hurts when you see the age of rehash crashing yes?

      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      I have used Ali baba a lot and to be honest its full of scammers who want to rip people off.

      This is not something that is "easy money", unless you have found a easy system that actually works.

      If this is something "game changing" maybe I will be interested but anything to do with Ali Baba gets a thumbs down from me. Just my 2 cents.

      And this business model seems to be too much work.

      But I am so excited about this, looking forward to this. In fact I have set a personal timer for you.
      :rolleyes:


      P.S Are we allowed to do a pre-launch on thread? I thought that was against the forum rules?



      Originally Posted by AfteraDream View Post

      Most of potential buyers who contact you probably dislike it. Makes a deal harder..but on the other hand, it weeds out the tire kickers.
      Not really, you put in your ads "payment by TT only"

      Then only serious buyers inquire who know they have to pay in advance.
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      • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post


        Not really, you put in your ads "payment by TT only"

        Then only serious buyers inquire who know they have to pay in advance.
        This is just too easy lol...and it solves a big headache.. Can't wait to try it out!

        Selected two categories now might go deeper into niche stuff for my list. Should be contacting companies by the weekend. Might get few answers as soon as Monday..
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      I have used Ali baba a lot and to be honest its full of scammers who want to rip people off.

      This is not something that is "easy money", unless you have found a easy system that actually works.

      If this is something "game changing" maybe I will be interested but anything to do with Ali Baba gets a thumbs down from me. Just my 2 cents.

      And this business model seems to be too much work.

      But I am so excited about this, looking forward to this. In fact I have set a personal timer for you.
      :rolleyes:


      P.S Are we allowed to do a pre-launch on thread? I thought that was against the forum rules?

      You should be able to clearly see that we, the people on the thread, talked John into doing WSO. This wasn't planned (or he made it look like it ). He already gave away most of the info, anyone can do it now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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    Wow its amazing how some people are player haters... actually what I am doing and what i ALWAYS do... sorry people are attracted to actual substanence.
    Who was player hating? I asked a question and you think I am hating? I think its unfair you are trying to do a pre-launch on this thread. That is against the forum rules.

    It hurts when you see the age of rehash crashing yes?
    Not really. When you have a big responsive list and have the testicular fortitude to sell anything you want and not just a "boiler room" rehash of 10 years of text book "stuff" anything is possible.

    I was simply asking you a question - this seems like a pre-launch to a WSO. Again that is against the forum rules.

    If you really want to contribute why not give it for free? That way you will gain respect and not just come across as someone who is trying to make a quick buck from newbies.

    Just my 2 cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Tell that to the guys who bought it (the boiler room rehash) that are making 6k per day now... they are on my forum. Feel free to ask.

      If they sink this thread so be it. I sell in wso forum not here... this is just for peoples interest....they are asking and I am answering. simple.

      Its called not having an agenda... rationalist vs idealist. Read Plato.

      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      Who was player hating? I asked a question and you think I am hating? I think its unfair you are trying to do a pre-launch on this thread. That is against the forum rules.



      Not really. When you have a big responsive list and have the testicular fortitude to sell anything you want and not just a "boiler room" rehash of 10 years of text book "stuff" anything is possible.

      I was simply asking you a question - this seems like a pre-launch to a WSO. Again that is against the forum rules.

      If you really want to contribute why not give it for free? That way you will gain respect and not just come across as someone who is trying to make a quick buck from newbies.

      Just my 2 cents.
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      • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Tell that to the guys who bought it that are making 6k per day now... they are on my forum. Feel free to ask.
        I shall do that.

        6K per day? Wow..


        Anyway, good luck on this "gamechanger" business model and once people start making 6k a day I think we will see 90% of millionaires from this thread.

        I will return after a year. For now I have better things to do - like go to the gym and have a "real social life", apart from forums.

        Peace.
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        • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
          Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

          I shall do that.

          6K per day? Wow..


          Anyway, good luck on this "gamechanger" business model and once people start making 6k a day I think we will see 90% of millionaires from this thread.

          I will return after a year. For now I have better things to do - like go to the gym and have a "real social life", apart from forums.

          Peace.
          You should read the thread from start to finish and make accusations man.. Use info from original post yourself. It's all there.. Jeez.. No Need to be hater..
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          • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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            Originally Posted by AfteraDream View Post

            You should read the thread from start to finish and make accusations man.. Use info from original post yourself. It's all there.. Jeez.. No Need to be hater..
            I was not hating.

            LOL I was asking a question and he is bitter.

            Personal issues aside, if someone asks a question then there is no need to get angry and remain bitter, as John clearly did on a number of occasions. But no big deal.

            He is a grown man, I am sure.

            We live and learn.

            Anyway I am going to unsubscribe from this thread as it shows no relevance to the offline niche.

            Just my personal opinion. Once people start making money maybe I will change my opinion but I am sick and tired of people trying to do pre-launches on forums and then trying to sell them.
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            • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
              Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

              I was not hating.

              LOL I was asking a question and he is bitter.

              Personal issues aside, if someone asks a question then there is no need to get angry and remain bitter, as John clearly did on a number of occasions. But no big deal.

              He is a grown man, I am sure.

              We live and learn.
              You were man. Sorry but you probably didn't read the full thread or you'd see people offering John to start coaching sessions for bigger money than WSO. WE make suggestions and he complied and includes valuable info and possibilities to do joint ventures in the future maybe.


              Anyway, I'm trying it out, if it's BS John will get banned for scam you know. I'm pretty sure he doesn't want that..
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              • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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                Originally Posted by AfteraDream View Post

                You were man. Sorry but you probably didn't read the full thread or you'd see people offering John to start coaching sessions for bigger money than WSO. WE make suggestions and he complied and includes valuable info and possibilities to do joint ventures in the future maybe.


                Anyway, I'm trying it out, if it's BS John will get banned for scam you know. I'm pretty sure he doesn't want that..
                No problem..but what got me thinking was the thread on the main discussion forum on Alibaba. It is well known to be a place where a lot of scammers hang out..yes there are scammers everywhere but if this "gamechanging" wso will make people 6k a day.. (As John states) I think John should be in the hall of fame.


                I hope Johns "report" will help solve a lot of peoples crisis. This has to be the greatest thread in the history of the warrior forum if this great report can make people 6k a day...
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                • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
                  Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

                  No problem..but what got me thinking was the thread on the main discussion forum on Alibaba. It is well known to be a place where a lot of scammers hang out..yes there are scammers everywhere but if this "gamechanging" wso will make people 6k a day.. (As John states) I think John should be in the hall of fame.


                  I hope Johns "report" will help solve a lot of peoples crisis. This has to be the greatest thread in the history of the warrior forum if this great report can make people 6k a day...
                  Don't really remember seeing him promise 6k a day.. just that you can make 5k comission on a deal if you work for it and it sometimes takes a few days or could take month or two..

                  Looks like you have a beef with him man.. and I'm just telling how it looks from outside..
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    • Profile picture of the author CurtisN
      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      [B]I think its unfair you are trying to do a pre-launch on this thread. That is against the forum rules.
      It would be totally unfair, and definitely against the rules, to be doing what you are accusing him of doing.

      But he isn't.

      Now can we get back to discussing the launch of said product now? I kinda wanna buy it.

      kthx.

      Heh...I came late to the party, didn't I? Nevertheless, I eagerly await the arrival of this WSO.
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  • Profile picture of the author jrod014
    Ah snap, It's getting heated in here!

    I still look forward to the report John.

    Jerry
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by jrod014 View Post

      Ah snap, It's getting heated in here!

      I still look forward to the report John.

      Jerry
      Nothin "rocket science" I will tell you right now you can run with this thread, and not buy it and succeed.

      but thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

    I shall do that.

    6K per day? Wow..


    Anyway, good luck on this "gamechanger" business model and once people start making 6k a day I think we will see 90% of millionaires from this thread.

    I will return after a year. For now I have better things to do - like go to the gym and have a "real social life", apart from forums.

    Peace.
    I know. You would actually have to have a conscious to understand that sometimes reports are for real.
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  • Profile picture of the author biggame5
    Wow John I don't know you but that was the best advise I have heard all day! I am definitely going to check out your forum!

    thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I dont make my living writing reports so this is nothing to me, but just sharing an exciting idea. Some feel threatened i guess.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vital Video
      The "transaction engineer" role has been around since the beginning of time. "Money loves speed" as they say, and that truth is proven everyday with this model.

      I knew a man many years ago who made, in my mind, inconceivable amounts of cash moving outdated television equipment to countries where the stuff wasn't so outdated. The fall of the iron curtain and the Soviet Union coupled with their new found freedoms opened up massive markets.

      He spent all his time on the phone in his home office. To me it seemed like he was creating wealth magically out of thin air.

      Thanks John for this info and reminding me of the fact that value (money) flows just as strong as the ocean's currents 24/7. Time to take a swim! or maybe launch a sailboat.. Looking forward to the report.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

    Anyway I am going to unsubscribe from this thread as it shows no relevance to the offline niche.
    lol. It doesnt?

    Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

    but if this "gamechanging" wso will make people 6k a day.. (As John states) I think John should be in the hall of fame.
    Never said that although it could... just saying some of those who bought my "boiler room rehash" report are making 6k per day now.

    As someone as successful as yourself that idea shouldnt be a stretch.

    and as far as "timing me"... perhaps I should outsource the writing yes? Instead of speaking from experience?
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    • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      lol. It doesnt?
      Not really. Alibaba has been listed on a lot of blacklist sites and was also featured on national newspapers. Want me to pull out some sources?

      Real sources..
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

        Not really. Alibaba has been listed on a lot of blacklist sites and was also featured on national newspapers. Want me to pull out some sources?

        Real sources..
        We arent talking about Alibaba, thats just the avenue...

        we are talking about the "liquidation industry"... you know the one with offline manufactuuring plants...? that one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
    Banned
    Never said that although it could... just saying some of those who bought my "boiler room rehash" report are now.
    Hence, as to why you got "pissed off" when people start releasing offline reports...LMAO

    I rest my case.
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  • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
    Banned
    and as far as "timing me"... perhaps I should outsource the writing yes? Instead of speaking from experience?
    Nope.

    I have set the timer. You are my idol now and I am going to idolise you forever. You seriously are the greatest living mentor since Frank Kern.

    Your face should be all over newspapers and magazines for this "Great 6k a day" secret.

    we are talking about the "liquidation industry"... you know the one with offline manufactuuring plants...? that one.
    For someone who has a REAL qualification in Marketing and Business studies I think I understand all the industries.

    Never underestimate someone John, and in future when trying to "hijack" a person's WSO always think before you say something.
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post


      Never underestimate someone John, and in future when trying to "hijack" a person's WSO always think before you say something.
      So this is what it's all about.. revenge... thought so...
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      • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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        Originally Posted by AfteraDream View Post

        So this is what it's all about.. revenge... thought so...
        Not really. I asked him a question but he clearly lied on my thread..staying "he bought my report" when there was no notification nothing.

        Not revenge, just asking a proper question. He does not like it - hence dodging it.

        Anyway, I am out.

        I am sure you guys will be making 6k a day now
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        • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
          Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

          Not really. I asked him a question but he clearly lied on my thread..staying "he bought my report" when there was no notification nothing.

          Not revenge, just asking a proper question. He does not like it - hence dodging it.

          Anyway, I am out.

          I am sure you guys will be making 6k a day now
          Then defend yourself on your WSO thread and don't attack on other threads... If you are innocent, why so sensitive???

          EDIT: What a great thread... but it got tainted with personal stuff..maybe mods could delete some of last posts which are off topic?..
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        • Profile picture of the author DaveHughes
          Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

          Not really. I asked him a question but he clearly lied on my thread..staying "he bought my report" when there was no notification nothing.

          Not revenge, just asking a proper question. He does not like it - hence dodging it.

          Anyway, I am out.

          I am sure you guys will be making 6k a day now.
          Sorry, Imran, but if you think you're just asking innocent questions, you need to re-read your posts.

          You have had more than one instance in this thread of a combative tone, trying to incite something from someone.

          I have no idea what you're talking about, nor should it matter for someone who is apparently upset about "thread hijacking" (I assume your way of dealing with things is to practice what you preach against) but I do know "sarcastic smart-assery" when I see it.

          And I also know off-topic when I see it. What happened in another thread has nothing to do with this one.

          Your advice is well-noted, as is your self-proclaimed business acumen and vast personal experience with Alibaba, et al. Thank you for your information.

          Having said that, I would give it a lot more weight if it came in a different tone, with less of a "personal vendetta" feel to it. (And before you say you had no "personal vendetta," let me quote you from earlier in this thread:

          Never underestimate someone John, and in future when trying to "hijack" a person's WSO always think before you say something.
          This makes me view your opinion as less than unbiased, to say the least.)

          If you have a beef with John, take it up with him and stop screwing around with something I'm interested in reading...unless you care about no one and nothing other than yourself and your grievances. You're not hurting John here, but you've given me a reason to think about dealing with you in the future in any capacity, based solely on your words in this thread.

          Probably not the result you were looking for.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      Nope.

      I have set the timer. You are my idol now and I am going to idolise you forever. You seriously are the greatest living mentor since Frank Kern.
      Funny that I give 8 week training classes and dont charge anyone, and you wont see one link in my sig at my forum which I could easily put and sell my ass off anything I wanted.

      I know it hurts but the days of rehash are dying. Idealists dont always have an agenda, in their mind not EVERYTHING has to add up to personal gain. You dont see hiles selling anything either.

      he doesnt depend on the wso section to thrive, niether do I.
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      • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Funny that I give 8 week training classes and dont charge anyone, and you wont see one link in my sig at my forum which I could easily put and sell my ass off anything I wanted.

        I know it hurts but the days of rehash are dying. Idealists dont always have an agenda, in their mind not EVERYTHING has to add up to personal gain. You dont see hiles selling anything either.

        he doesnt depend on the wso section to thrive, niether do I.
        You keep talking about "rehash rehash rehash rehash", like a China doll on Repeat. You indirectly implying something? Or do you have a personal vendetta against me of some sort?

        I don't sit on my forum all day..I wish I could. But I have "real friends". Not just virtual ones

        You heard of Stephen King? How many Stephen King novels are there out there?

        How many authors are rehashing other authors in the literacy industry.

        he doesnt depend on the wso section to thrive, niether do I
        Then stop beating around the bush, give the damn report for free if you don't need to rely on the WSO.

        P.S I speak my mind ;-)

        Peace out.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      Nope.

      I have set the timer. You are my idol now and I am going to idolise you forever. You seriously are the greatest living mentor since Frank Kern.

      Your face should be all over newspapers and magazines for this "Great 6k a day" secret.



      For someone who has a REAL qualification in Marketing and Business studies I think I understand all the industries.

      Never underestimate someone John, and in future when trying to "hijack" a person's WSO always think before you say something.
      first of all I dont sense that I have been harmed in any way, so thanks for the warning but not neccessary... secondly; I quit school in the 8th grade and have had more success than MANY marketing graduates, have even counsiled some, and have HIRED quite a few to work for 10 bucks per hour in my cubicles... my wife is persueing her doctorate in quantum physics though does that count?

      So I dont underestimate.

      Im proud of you though.
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      • Profile picture of the author DaveHughes
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        my wife is persueing her doctorate in quantum physics though does that count?
        Nice! I'm a pathetic science nerd, so I like this. Do me a favor...do the laundry and cook the meals for a while so she can go ahead and formulate the electrostrong force and then incorporate gravity so we can finally move on to bigger and better things.

        Okay, sorry...off-topic JUST a tad there.

        I would assume from some of the things you've said that you form regular, recurring relationships with suppliers after closing a deal or two from them? And what happens if someone else brokers a deal on the same load at the same time you do? Does the manufacturer "earmark" the load for you, or is it first-come, first-serve? (I suspect the latter.)
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

    Hence, as to why you got "pissed off" when people start releasing offline reports...LMAO

    I rest my case.
    you are really way out of context man... read up before you speak.
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    • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      you are really way out of context man... read up before you speak.
      So you admit hijacking my thread? Where you stated "you bought my report" which was a sarcastic remark itself. Funny, you did not even buy my course..

      Making statements like this on someone's WSO is against the rules..especially false ones.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

        So you admit hijacking my thread? Where you stated "you bought my report" which was a sarcastic remark itself. Funny, you did not even buy my course..

        Making statements like this on someone's WSO is against the rules..especially false ones.
        My partner did... (he's too nice to ask for a refund) I already know the scoop on it, and I didnt say I "Bought it"... once again you are twisting my words... I saw you do it to someone else, so I dont care go for it...

        anybody who can read this thread knows you are twisting words.
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        • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          My partner did... I already know the scoop on it, and I didnt say I "Bought it"... once again you are twisting my words... I saw you do it to someone else, so I dont care go for it...

          anybody who can read this threads knows you are twisting words.
          Nah, John you do as you wish. I have nothing against you - just do not like people who contradict themselves and become "experts" all of a sudden in everything.
          :rolleyes:

          No time to discuss.

          Peace

          Good Luck
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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

            Nah, John you do as you wish. I have nothing against you - just do not like people who contradict themselves and become "experts" all of a sudden in everything.
            :rolleyes:

            No time to discuss.

            Peace

            Good Luck
            Im an expert at running telemarketing rooms that sell 20k small business websites per year, without outsourcing anything...

            and I happen to sell on Alibaba on the side... thats all I know... oh yeah I spent some years in the music biz...

            hell with twenty reports on everydifferent subject imaginaeble I would think you are the preiminent success teacher in the WORLD!

            Im out. gotta finish actually writing "my own" report. Its a little harder when you actually have to create the sentences and everything yourself, and write about your own experience, not a "1 hour lets make a report about anything we can think of...and sell it kinda thing".
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            • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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              Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

              Im an expert at running telemarketing rooms that sell 20k small business websites per year, without outsourcing anything...

              and I happen to sell on Alibaba on the side... thats all I know... oh yeah I spent some years in the music biz...

              hell with twenty reports on everydifferent subject imaginaeble I would think you are the preiminent success teacher in the WORLD!

              Im out. gotta finish actually writing "my own" report. Its a little harder when you actually have to create the sentences and everything yourself, and write about your own experience, not a "1 hour lets make a report about anything we can think of...and sell it kinda thing".
              Jealousy will not get you anywhere. When you have a rare talent then the world is your oyster and especially when you are still under 30.

              Peace
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              • Profile picture of the author John Durham
                Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

                Jealousy will not get you anywhere.

                Peace
                I would get alot further having somebody go out and copy a bunch of content and re write it for me... you're right. Im jealous.

                Peace.
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                • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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                  Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

                  I would get alot further having somebody go out and copy a bunch of content and re write it for me... you're right. Im jealous.
                  LOL I knew it.

                  Anyway, John I love you lots, take care and I will make sure I buy all of your "stuff", your my new hero now. I am off to tell all my friends about your "6 K a day report" hehe
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                  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
                    Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

                    LOL I knew it.

                    Anyway, John I love you lots, take care and I will make sure I buy all of your "stuff", your my new hero now. I am off to tell all my friends about your "6 K a day report" hehe
                    I know you are gonna take that out of content and probably spread it all over... shows your character.

                    i dont care I make my money offline.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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                      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

                      I know you are gonna take that out of content and probably spread it all over... shows your character.

                      i dont care I make my money offline.
                      I was being sarcastic.

                      Peace.
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              • Profile picture of the author ThunderingHerd
                Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

                Jealousy will not get you anywhere. When you have a rare talent then the world is your oyster and especially when you are still under 30.

                Peace
                WOW - Some one has just shown his true colors. And I for one enjoyed unsubscribing from any list of his that I was on.
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
    Banned
    you're both right! Some people are great at being investigative journalist and others are great in the trenches. We all prefer the latter, but, nothing wrong with being an IJ as a consolation prize.


    See you in an hour or so
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Maybe if the thread gets shut down it will give someone 3 days to throw a quick report together to sell for $7

    Im being sarcastic too... you are welcome to a free copy Imran... it will make some great rehash PLR
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  • Profile picture of the author biggame5
    John I don't know how much you are selling but I did find you on alibaba right where you said you would be. So you are doing something.
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  • Profile picture of the author biggame5
    Truly School is overrated you getting more by trial and error. Unless you are going to a Major University and even then once you get what you need there you still need to have the experience that you have John. So It was probably one of your better moves school teaches you what a employer wants not to be a entrepreneur.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    I think that if someone started googling around for certain individuals in this topic, they'd find lots of interesting information, and particularly information that indicates that said individual is no stranger to scamming.
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      I think that if someone started googling around for certain individuals in this topic, they'd find lots of interesting information, and particularly information that indicates that said individual is no stranger to scamming.
      The guy has tons of Thank Yous here and uses real name... didn't think he was scammer but Google shows otherwise...
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
        Originally Posted by AfteraDream View Post

        The guy has tons of Thank Yous here and uses real name... didn't think he was scammer but Google shows otherwise...
        That's why it's important to THINK and VERIFY before spending money.
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        • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
          Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

          That's why it's important to THINK and VERIFY before spending money.
          He should have been banned already... Well, newbs and those with little experience (like me) ain't that good at it yet unfortunately..
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      • Profile picture of the author waterotter
        John, I am very much interested in this also, count me in!

        @Imran, you said "I'm out" awhile back. When are you leaving, as you are spoiling a great thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    People demand to know why I haven't sold anything to this market (bizop/make money online). It has a really bad reputation. I learn from this market and apply it all to other ventures. Occasionally I might do something like partner with someone who has something decent. But by and large, be very aware of what's going on and understand the purpose of sales copywriting. Learn copywriting. It's by far the best investment you can make in any of this.
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      People demand to know why I haven't sold anything to this market (bizop/make money online). It has a really bad reputation. I learn from this market and apply it all to other ventures. Occasionally I might do something like partner with someone who has something decent. .
      Well, people on this forum def. want to see you partner up with John D. Hope to see it happen!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Yer the **** Hiles!
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    One does have to be extremely careful when buying. But John's business model is strictly sell side.

    I buy things, but only after establishing trust and verifying my sources. That includes feet on the ground in country. My business is clearly very different.

    But for John's model, there is literally no risk except in the structure of the deal and outright bank letter forgery - which can be handled a lot quicker and better in 2010 than 2000. You guys are looking the wrong direction if you're concerned about being scammed with the kind of thing John is talking about.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jacer
    I think some of you guys are missing the point. (All this talk about scammers)

    In this opportunity, you are the seller. The part of the transaction that you need to be concerned with is making sure your buyers money is legitimate.

    Remember, Alibaba is just your traffic source, a place to "hang your shingle". Most of the work involved is going to be upfront connecting with overstocked businesses to build your "virtual inventory" that you offer to buyers. Once you make the connections, it is a passive income as buyers find you.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Don't get me wrong. I think that someone could wade into the deep end of the shark tank and get eaten alive in a nanosecond.

    But then again, someone COULD easily do that in the WSO section of the Warrior Forum as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author mkl3377
    OK I wish the moderators would just delete some of the unnecessary posts here. The part where the Pot calling the kettle black was just so distracting.

    To call somebody out as being a scammer in a white hat forum I can understand as some white hat people can be a bit uptight. But to be on the **** list in a black hat forum you've must have t done something really bad.

    This was a nice share though. Thanks for the info John
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      If anybody is interested on the buying side and sourcing from Chinese
      manufacturers I can help.

      I have dealt with a few manufacturers.

      My friend is a product sourcer for companies here in New Zealand.

      He also buys on his own account.

      His wife is Chinese so they are an excellent team for dealing with chinese manufactures.

      They have dealt with and meet with hundreds of them in China.

      Mostly ship out of Ningbo and occassionaly out of Shanghai.

      Deal in container loads.

      If you can't afford a container load first up then I would suggest you pool together to
      fill up a container load and have it sent to your nearest port.

      Ideally starting out with a new supplier, you should get a sample order.

      Pay for it to show you are serious. Then piggyback on another buyers part container load.

      Full container load is best, not just for cost saving but it saves damage from loose cargo fulling and rolling.

      Hope that is of help.

      All the best,
      Ewen

      PS Prices negotiated with manufactuerer include transport to port in China [FOB].
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I have my wife proof reading now guys... more than likely this thread will be sunk by morning... fortunately, unlike some have suggested I wasnt counting on this thread to be the thing that sold the report.

    Honestly, I have a forum to run, so I will be glad to get it out. Yes; not 'alibaba" necessarily, but "the liquidation export industry", even long before the internet, is and has always been an ocean of money for the (very honestly) SMALL circle who are in the know. Now you are too!

    Somehwere today some joe schmo independent liquidator guy got a 100k commission check for helping some vice pres of some big company unload a million units of "something"... on Alibaba.

    This has been happening behind the scenes LONG before the internet. I located my first lots long before discovering the internet. In fact I first got inspired as you are here now, from an ad in a "success" magazine.... because we didnt know about the warrior forum back then!

    didnt learn it in college. I learned it being an opportunity seeker, who just couldnt stop believing there had to be a better way, at a time when people were alot less spoiled with opportunity at the click of a button...

    Now... they dont even recognize an opportunity half the time if isnt isnt driectly IM... cant be real... nobody could possibly know anything that we dont know right?

    146 million dollars PER DAY exchanging hands between non IM'rs (these are office executives) on ONE site.... proves otherwise.

    For someone with a marketing degree to not know about this... and a dumb ass country guy like me making 20k deals via email?

    I dunno.... theres a hundred ways to skin a cat.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    This stuff in here is so classified after reading it that its almost scary putting it out knowing you have enemies...

    Its ready but need some editing for this purpose:

    Guys how do I publish an email thread without revealing my sources or being accused of making the emails up?

    There are people who would love to contact the companies being referred to here, and say "look what this guy told..."

    Stating publicly:

    If paul meyers would do it. I would just forward the emails to him and edit out the names... on the report itself, so I could have verification if it becomes necessary to prove Im not making up the emails... I would forward them to hiles but said enemies think he's cohorting with me... so that wouldnt hold water.
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    • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Stating publicly:

      If paul meyers would do it. I would just forward the emails to him and edit out the names... on the report itself, so I could have verification if it becomes necessary to prove Im not making up the emails... I would forward them to hiles but said enemies think he's cohorting with me... so that wouldnt hold water.

      I think he might do it. After all, he is in charge of "WSO quality control".


      Thomas
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    • Profile picture of the author dsprank
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      This stuff in here is so classified after reading it that its almost scary putting it out knowing you have enemies...

      Its ready but need some editing for this purpose:

      Guys how do I publish an email thread without revealing my sources or being accused of making the emails up?

      There are people who would love to contact the companies being referred to here, and say "look what this guy told..."

      Stating publicly:

      If paul meyers would do it. I would just forward the emails to him and edit out the names... on the report itself, so I could have verification if it becomes necessary to prove Im not making up the emails... I would forward them to hiles but said enemies think he's cohorting with me... so that wouldnt hold water.
      You could do a screen shot and blur, or black out the confidential information so that no one can see that part. That is easy to do in photoshop, gimp, or other free drawing programs.

      And if you are worried about making up emails, you can point them to this thread so they can see the large amount of information that you have given before you had been begged to do an WSO.

      Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
    Don't show any names. Period. If people accuse you of making the emails up, so be it. It's all just an entertainment until acted upon... Don't stress out or risk loosing your connections.

    people who are serious will contact you anyway...


    Thomas


    BTW. If everybody was forced to actually "prove" their info, we wouldn't have too many WSOs! lol
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by SirThomas View Post

      Don't show any names. Period. If people accuse you of making the emails up, so be it. It's all just an entertainment until acted upon... Don't stress out or risk loosing your connections.

      people who are serious will contact you anyway...


      Thomas


      BTW. If everybody was forced to actually "prove" their info, we wouldn't have too many WSOs! lol
      Thanks... should have been a no brainer... You are right.
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      • Profile picture of the author joshril
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Thanks... should have been a no brainer... You are right.
        Agreed... Just use the emails and don't show email addresses or names.
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  • Profile picture of the author jerytohn
    This looks very interesting. When will the e-book be out?
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  • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
    I wonder how manyPMs Jon got about it.. I'd guess tens of them... 3,5k views.. means hundreds of people will get into it..
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    • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
      Originally Posted by AfteraDream View Post

      I wonder how manyPMs Jon got about it.. I'd guess tens of them... 3,5k views.. means hundreds of people will get into it..
      Are we supposed to PM John directly regarding his report? No WSO?


      Thomas
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      • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
        Originally Posted by SirThomas View Post

        Are we supposed to PM John directly regarding his report? No WSO?


        Thomas
        NOOOO!!! Just wondering, not all people comment here, some just PM straight away with questions. His box is fludded probably.

        Looks like WSO should be live in 24 hours, since it was proofread already..
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  • Profile picture of the author vok
    This is a great business model and just shows you how the real money is made online and offline, everyones clouded and sold on the same idea of internet market create a product or sell someone elses and hope you make a few sales to breakeven.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Hope Yall like it.
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  • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
    Just purchased!

    Thank you John! I'm like a little kid on Christmas morning. I have been reading this thread religiously waiting for you to drop this WSO.

    Time to start reading!
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

      Thank you John! I'm like a little kid on Christmas morning. I have been reading this thread religiously waiting for you to drop this WSO.

      Time to start reading!
      +1

      Gonna buy it when I get back home in the evening! YAY!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Hope it doesnt disapoint. guys we have to be careful not to respond here, even though its appreciated because we have a valuable telemarketing thread with almost 2500 views that got sunk because it looked promotional, even though it was just sharing and there wasnt even a report till after it was sunk... I think the mods have been real understanding of this thread but if it starts looking like a wso thread it will be gone. I dont care about the links because I have posts all over the place, but this IS a cool thread! Im humbled by your appreciation of the concept and probably will even be MORE humbled after you read my bad grammer!
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    • Profile picture of the author BryanC
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Hope it doesnt disapoint. guys we have to be careful not to respond here, even though its appreciated because we have a valuable telemarketing thread with almost 2500 views that got sunk because it looked promotional, even though it was just sharing and there wasnt even a report till after it was sunk... I think the mods have been real understanding of this thread but if it starts looking like a wso thread it will be gone. I dont care about the links because I have posts all over the place, but this IS a cool thread! Im humbled by your appreciation of the concept and probably will even be MORE humbled after you read my bad grammer!
      Hey John,

      Sent you an email.

      Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author deu12000
    For those saying Alibaba is full of scammers you are right but every place you go where there is money involved there are scammers. I buy from suppliers on Alibaba all the time and I haven't gotten burned yet. Like someone else mentioned first purchase samples and if the samples are fine then up your orders.

    Most of the time you'll get people that say they are manufacturers and they are just middle men, but you still get your product even though you overpaid a little bit. Sometimes it's easier to deal with a middle man than with the manufacturer because not all manufacturers have good international shipping capabilities.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Domino
      Originally Posted by deu12000 View Post

      For those saying Alibaba is full of scammers you are right but every place you go where there is money involved there are scammers. I buy from suppliers on Alibaba all the time and I haven't gotten burned yet. Like someone else mentioned first purchase samples and if the samples are fine then up your orders.

      Most of the time you'll get people that say they are manufacturers and they are just middle men, but you still get your product even though you overpaid a little bit. Sometimes it's easier to deal with a middle man than with the manufacturer because not all manufacturers have good international shipping capabilities.
      I really don't want to derail the threads topic, so I won't respond after this.

      Last time I bought stuff from a "wholesale website" was from DHGate.

      DHGate recommended by many, paypal payment so supposed to be covered, they have their own dispute service on top, seller has 300+ positive feedback. Basically, you're supposed to have a few layers of protection.

      Result? Small sample purchase, 168$. Counterfeit memory cards, don't even fit in electronics. 2 months jumping through hoops in their dispute system => returning products to China for a refund, with tracking number, minimum 70$ shipping here. Paypal dispute closed in the seller's (scammer) favor.

      So, this thread isn't about buying from those websites. And we know that there are legitimate sellers. But please for the love of god stop pretending like you can hop on those websites and start buying and selling easily. People get burnt all the time on those websites.

      Back to John's topic.

      Have you tried selling your stuff on The IMASD?
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  • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
    John, how about brokering companies that sell stuff on closeoutcentral.com for example. I see one company has tons of closouts and liquidations from big brands. They have 20 major brands.. Offers seem great.. Any experience with big companies brokering?
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by AfteraDream View Post

      John, how about brokering companies that sell stuff on closeoutcentral.com for example. I see one company has tons of closouts and liquidations from big brands. They have 20 major brands.. Offers seem great.. Any experience with big companies brokering?
      I have tried to sell liquidation loads to overstock.com... but they arent a true liquidation site... its really hard to get into that, if I am correct I walked away thinking "Man they are really pulling the wool over peoples eyes...these arent true liquidation prices..."

      But uh... I might've just been pissed that they didnt buy "mine". lol

      You could try it, it may work. That was like 5 years ago.

      @ Bryan C

      sorry bryan not seeing the email... can you pm?

      whew, gotta do something about the typos.
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