For those Struggling With Cold Calling For Offline Biz.

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A T.O. is a "transfer to close".

Its the most effective way to close a phone sale in the book.

One person pitches, another closes

"Okay great, I have what I need. Now as far as payment options, I dont do billing...Im gonna go ahead and transfer you to a processor now, and they will get you handled and off the phone as quick as possible, can you hold a sec"?

This way the sales person doesnt have to make the jump or "shift" from being the customers best friend to "naling them for a credit card" so to speak.

The vibrational shift on a phone can be sensed by the customer if the TM isn't REALLY good.

But it seems normal, when a "processor" does it.

So thats what a T.O. is. Now some guy asked on my forum, whether he should let his VA do all the calling for him or not. and I answered below, I wanted to also share that with my brothers and sisters here on the WF because alot of people seem to be struggling with this.

This can be the difference between having a "talent" dependent business vs a "systems" dependent business.

Here was my very long drawn out answer. Hope it helps someone:


The best way is to have your va call them to tell them about your service and see if there is any interest, and if so (only), then tell them about your offer, and when they are agreeable, transfer them to you for the close.

Dont make your assistant kill themselves selling, only "introducing"... just call people courteously, and say "Hey we are a new business in town, just wanted to let you know about our service and introduce ourselves to the rest of the business community. Do you folks have a website for your company, or is that still in making?

(Infer
that everyone either has one already, or is thinking about it..."is yours still in the making"?)

If not "Great. Well it was good to meet you, if you ever have any web needs call us, we'd be glad to help"!

How hard is it just to call people and say "Hi" and be nice all day? Its only hard when you are stressing to manipulate.

Anyway...

If they do that, it wont be too rough on them, and if they do it two or 3 hours per day, you are gonna EXPLODE with sales very shortly.

When you know, like i do, that by holding a good vibe throughout your call session, the sales will naturally come... then you dont stress a whole lot... you just call people all day and say "Hi", knowing that someone will buy at some point during your calling session.

You are just cruising along, biding your time, real nicely and sincerely, and building up your karma account...till you run into your "guy".

BAMMM! The season of reaping.

So have your VA "T.O" to you.

Get em while they are in the mindset. No "Call Backs".

Strike while the iron is hot. Dont let grass grow...

My two shillings.

Ps.

"But John , I called for 3 hours and nobody bought"

Did you hold your vibe for three hours? We you stressing? Were they sensing your need for the sale?

You only have a need vibe when you dont know your reward is coming... trust the numbers!

You only have the "shady" vibe (about telemarketing) when inwardly you believe you are scamming them, or you dont believe you are really providing any value...in that case look at your offer more closely, and figure out how you could make it more helpful and truly beneficial for them. Then you will feel GREAT about offering it!

Whoa!!!!!!!!! Could go into some real advanced teaching here easily if I dont watch it... I have 20 schpiels about this... and how the law of numbers works.

Learned after not only being in the cubicle for a thousand days, but watching over a thousand others as well, and being responsible for their production.

I have learned ALOT!

Everytime you shift your vibe, change your list, change a line in your pitch...

The law of numbers starts back over at ZERO, because you are no longer performing a consistent action.

Another thing is that when you get disappointed that no one has bought yet, you start , even un aware, putting that vibe in your calls. Just KNOW its gonna come, and carry yourself in conversation like you know that. No need to pressure anyone, nor yourself!

Each time you let go of a prospect feeling defeated, (just because they werent interested?), you carry that defeat to your next call. Its not theory.

Its true...so how do you solve the feeling of being defeated?

Simple...quit thinking its a competition where you are trying to BEAT your prospect! lol Does that make sense?

Remember, "You may have said this 100 times today, but its the first time for the guy on the other end". Give him your best enthusiasm, and be optimistic toward them. Dont look at them as someone you have to beat.

Remember this is the first time they have heard this today... even though its your 50th. Dont take it out on them.

I have said that 100 times to telemarketers. Give him the same chance you gave the first guy you called. Give him the benefit of the doubt. He might just be the one who is interested.

You know you arent gonna close everyone you call. In a pile of 100 leads you KNOW that SOMEBODY in there needs your service. Really its just a matter of uncovering them... they have a bunch of leads piled on top of them...you are only "uncovering" them...again.

They might be under the 5th sheet of paper... or they might be under the 99th...you never know, but you KNOW they are there!


- John
#biz #calling #cold #offline #struggling
  • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
    [QUOTE=John Durham;2698879]

    This can be the difference between having a "talent" dependent business vs a "systems" dependent business.
    [B]

    Geez John you are dropping GOLD...AGAIN!

    No need to drone out McDonalds being run by students.
    People have heard about enough times...surely..?

    As I was deleting your post to capture that one sentence,
    I saw you mentioning the "shady vibe".

    When calling businesses cold, warm or hot, I believe I'm a
    business owner, not an employee, salesperson, telemarketer.

    And it is 100% true for me.

    This I believe makes a BIG difference on how you conduct yourself
    on the phone.

    You see yourself as an equal to others.

    Not playing some jumped up ass needing to make himself important.

    Not a fearfull person who thinks the other person at the other end
    of the phone has more power than you.

    Just 2 equals talking biz.

    Hope this helps people get their heads right so they don't self sabotage
    their own success.

    All the best,
    Ewen
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    You have to realize that you are not a scmuck peddling something... you are calling from "one business owner to another".

    You arent intruding on the business community with your offer. You are "participating in it as an equal, or fellow business owner".

    As a man thinketh...

    Ps. Yeah you want your biz to depend on your masterful system, not primadonna, rock star talent... thats the tail wagging the dog.

    Having a TO system keeps your people from thinking they cant be replaced too! Everyone is just a cog in the machine. Each performs a basic singular function, that by itself isnt hard, and also isnt hard to replace.

    Once again I say this, because I have designed and run Big sales machines, like alot of people have, and I know the difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brenden Clerget
    You should always be trying to make a friend, not make a sale.

    That's the motto I've lived by since I sold cars. Even though in the car biz, we were only making friends in order to build value and qualify the product.

    Good post though John!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by DrivenForMillions View Post

      You should always be trying to make a friend, not make a sale.

      That's the motto I've lived by since I sold cars. Even though in the car biz, we were only making friends in order to build value and qualify the product.

      Good post though John!
      If you have that attitude instead of viewing your prospects as rivals whom you have to beat... strangely you start making sales too!

      Quit trying to "get over" on your prospects. Most people see sales as a competition between them and the prospect "who is gonna win"?

      No wonder its hard for some to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    John,

    This reminds me of the companies selling memberships to discount clubs and its usually a tactic used on retail consumers.

    Don't get me wrong the TO is effective, and more so in certain product offering scenarios, but my gut is telling me not so much for offline.

    Business owners are pretty savvy these day even if they have no clue about online marketing.

    What if the owner after being transferred to the processor starts asking questions again? Now the processor is supposed to do what? Try and answer them? Re-connect them again to the sales rep? Re-close them? Deflect the question to be addressed after payment?

    If the processor says something contradictory to what the owner or decision maker was originally told you've lost traction, possibly the whole sale.

    There are a TON of things that can go wrong in a TO and it really should not be used unless you have a serious sales system in place, more so for those who are just starting out.

    To me it make no sense to add an additional layer to the sales process because one is having a hard time getting the money.

    This won't resolve the core issue of not being able to close but will only service as an enabler to not get better at closing for the sales person or business owner offering the service.

    They need to learn to close from start to finish before expanding on the sales process.

    just my 2 cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Hey Rus!

      Actually if you remember Jacer from my last wso thread, who is my partner at the TMF forum.

      His first day on the phone as an individual he made a few sales, and the next day he went and hired a VA to say a simple script and TO the closes to him.

      That week he made 10k, selling a $500 5 page website package, and still each day since has consistently made 3 to 5 web sales per day... he will even do it today, using that very T.O system I just taught you .

      when I chat with him he has to stop now and then to take a close... transferred over from his VA, and a few minutes later he's back saying either "Yeah I got it" or "Dang their credit card declined twice..."

      All day long he surfs, with headphones on, and takes closes from his TSR and he's BANKING.

      Magic Mike is doing the same, and having up to $6,000 days. Right now!

      Back in 2000 I had a room of 100 TMs all doing it and we sold 20,000 website in 12 months...

      A couple of years ago I used it for a fundraisingroom, and we raised 7 million dollars that year...

      All of this is verifiable.

      So yeah it works for offline.

      I have perfected it, to work for almost anything...real simply, and there are real live examples right here on the warrior forum who are doing it daily to make over 1k per day!



      I never talk about theory... this is all working experience. Has worked for 20 years, and is still working like CRAZY today!





      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      John,

      This reminds me of the companies selling memberships to discount clubs and its usually a tactic used on retail consumers.

      Don't get me wrong the TO is effective, and more so in certain product offering scenarios, but my gut is telling me not so much for offline.

      Business owners are pretty savvy these day even if they have no clue about online marketing.

      What if the owner after being transferred to the processor starts asking questions again? Now the processor is supposed to do what? Try and answer them? Re-connect them again to the sales rep? Re-close them? Deflect the question to be addressed after payment?

      If the processor says something contradictory to what the owner or decision maker was originally told you've lost traction, possibly the whole sale.

      There are a TON of things that can go wrong in a TO and it really should not be used unless you have a serious sales system in place, more so for those who are just starting out.

      To me it make no sense to add an additional layer to the sales process because one is having a hard time getting the money.

      This won't resolve the core issue of not being able to close but will only service as an enabler to not get better at closing for the sales person or business owner offering the service.

      They need to learn to close from start to finish before expanding on the sales process.

      just my 2 cents.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
        Ok, I see your point! But you have to agree that one must know the close and be able to complete the whole sale before asking some one else to collect the money.

        I would not just hand it off to some one so I can spend more time pitching, that is my concern.

        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Hey Rus!

        Actually if you remember Jacer from my last wso thread, who is my partner at the TMF forum.

        His first day on the phone as an individual he made a few sales, and the next day he went and hired a VA to say a simple script and TO the closes to him.

        That week he made 10k, selling a $500 5 page websites, and still each day since has consistently made 3 to 5 web sales per day since... he will even do it today, using that very T.O system I just taught you .

        when I chat with him he has to stop now and then to take a close... sent from his TSR, and a few minutes later he's back saying either "Yeah I got it" or "Dang their credit card declined twice..."

        All day long he surfs and takes closes from his TSR and he's BANKING.

        Magic Mike is doing the same, and having up to $6,000 days. Right now!

        Back in 2000 I had a room of 100 TMs all doing it and we sold 20,000 website in 12 months...

        So yeah it works for offline.

        I have perfected it, to work for almost anything...real simply, and there are real live examples right here on the warrior forum who are doing it daily to make over 1k per day!

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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Once again its about the "system"... the pitch.

    Something is only complicated til it is systemized, and after that it's just a repetitive action.

    No wso coming on this or anything... but you can go look for yourself at the Telemarketing forum.

    We systemize these things.

    As I said my systems have worked for 20 years... its not hard to make a tweak and shift it to another industry... or offer.

    They actually arent MY systems... the belong to the telemarketing profession. I just know em.
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    • Profile picture of the author Helma Maagdeleyn
      Thanks so much for all of this great information on "cold calling"... I'm just starting to use an automated calling system, leaving 30 second messages that I record myself, and I've been looking for good advice about what tone to take. I love your attitude and approach. It would be great to see more marketing professionals take this tone with their broadcast campaigns; the calls I get at home are "high power, high pressure" and it always makes me want to hang up as soon as possible. I hang around for the "press 9 to remove yourself from the calling list" with automated calls, but usually politely wait until the person is finished with a "live" call.
      Considering using live and recorded calling for my own business makes me really want to remove the pressure and the hype. Thanks again!

      ~Helma
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I have always been a number 1 tm and manager, and successful as a call center owner.

    There were guys who would pressure people so hard, you would see viens popping out while they were pitching, and I could beat them without even raising my voice.

    2 opposite ends of the spectrum.

    High prob selling means you only talk if a person wants to hear, then you lay another brick in the wall at each interval where you sense interest, and if at any point the interest stops so do you.

    You move through numbers quicker, you have a nicer day, you dont pressure your customers, you dont feel like you got ran over by a truck when you are done...and you have MORE SALES..
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    • Profile picture of the author Etak
      Thanks John! Insanely valuable info!

      It reminds me of my bartending days. I did it because I loved people. I was genuinely interested in each and every customer and never thought about the tips. Sure I'd notice what people left me, but that was never what the job was about. And that made me thousands of dollars a week.

      Conversely, the people who would come in and work just for the money gave out a completely different vibe. It was quite apparent to me just how much a customer can pick up a non-genuine vibe, and they would act accordingly.

      There were a few times that I went in to work and didn't want to be there and I instantly noticed the reaction I got from people. I was still nice to them, but the underlying thought that it was just about the money really soured the relationship. Once I realized this, I would quickly shift my thinking and instantly the relationship would be great again (even with the same customers).

      I'm not sure why I didn't think of applying this to telemarketing. Thanks for the eye opener!

      ~Emma
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      • Profile picture of the author robitn4
        Hi John,

        Awesome topic and could not have come at a better time for me.

        I'm trying to google "T.O." and "transfer to close" for more on this technique but coming up empty.

        Are there any other terms that I can search on?

        Also searching for the technology that allows a VA working from his/her location to transfer their phone call to my phone.

        Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by robitn4 View Post

          Hi John,

          Awesome topic and could not have come at a better time for me.

          I'm trying to google "T.O." and "transfer to close" for more on this technique but coming up empty.

          Are there any other terms that I can search on?

          Also searching for the technology that allows a VA working from his/her location to transfer their phone call to my phone.

          Thanks
          Its officially called a "Turn Over".

          Originally Posted by Etak View Post

          Thanks John! Insanely valuable info!

          It reminds me of my bartending days. I did it because I loved people. I was genuinely interested in each and every customer and never thought about the tips. Sure I'd notice what people left me, but that was never what the job was about. And that made me thousands of dollars a week.

          Conversely, the people who would come in and work just for the money gave out a completely different vibe. It was quite apparent to me just how much a customer can pick up a non-genuine vibe, and they would act accordingly.

          There were a few times that I went in to work and didn't want to be there and I instantly noticed the reaction I got from people. I was still nice to them, but the underlying thought that it was just about the money really soured the relationship. Once I realized this, I would quickly shift my thinking and instantly the relationship would be great again (even with the same customers).

          I'm not sure why I didn't think of applying this to telemarketing. Thanks for the eye opener!

          ~Emma
          The only thing I can say to this post is "Precisely".

          Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner folks!

          Perfect metaphor.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    Hey there,

    Just wanted to bump this thread.

    Honestly, I'm in a bit of a slump. I didn't know why and then I remembered this thread and I'm not 100% sure but I think it hit the nail on the head.

    Me , I don't like it when I don't reach my goals.

    Last week I didn't get any bookings, but I know it's not because I suck. My max was 5, my weekly goal is 4.It's just that I get frustrated to no end and I get stuck in a vicious circle.

    It's just that I never got anything by being friendly or popular. It seems I always had to fight in life so whenever I get stumped by an obstacle, I get super frustrated and I double the effort (in this case, I made a lot more calls and rebutted a lot also)

    I must have a really angry or weird vibe right now on the phone.

    I suck with making friends but I'm going to try it out. 100%.
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