What would you pay for Offline marketing coaching?

14 years ago

Nothing unless I saw proof that the "coach" was actually getting offline clients using the methods he teaches. Too many WSO's and gurus that obviously use the fake it until they make it approach.

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BrashImpact

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael William

Nothing unless I saw proof that the "coach" was actually getting offline clients using the methods he teaches. Too many WSO's and gurus that obviously use the fake it until they make it approach.

Michael,
excellent i 2nd that one. Most that are making a killing, are spending little
time on the forum trying to coach, way more bank consulting.

Well Said...
Robert

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GeorgeO7

14 years ago

^^^My sentiments exactly. There are those that teach... and then there are those that do.

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internetPro

14 years ago

if the coach was the right coach meaning everything was legit and in place. to me they would be priceless not to be funny but i ma in a situation do to the economy that all of my resources are tapped my business took a hit because the housing market stopped literally...

i would be willing to pay a percentage of what i brought in from there training and knowledge i know that wasnt the answer you where looking for but it is hard to put a price on something like that ... you can literally change some ones life for the good. People say money doesnt make you happy they are correct but it does allow you to do the things that make you happy Right...

If someone out there wanted to take a shot on some one to have a testimony i would be more than willing to try. I am very teachable and be willing to do all that is ask to succeed. If someone would like to take me under there wing please contact me i would love to learn and achieve thx for listening

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contentment1st 14 years ago

Great discussion. Do you have a product or program that you're trying to establish a price point for?
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TheKeys

14 years ago

It depends. I would want to see their portfolio and what they have done to become "successful". Not the fake type.

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Jacer

14 years ago

I have had two mentors in my offline career. The first one I paid over $1000 and was crap, He did nothing more than regurgitate marketing babel and did not show up for any of our set phone consultations.

The second mentor gave me free advise after I purchased his WSO, and delivered much more actual training that impacted my business. It did not help me get started, but helped me improve my existing business, which has been priceless.

When I set my coaching prices, I always look to deliver 10x the value of what I ask. I expect each of my students to earn back their tuition and much more their first month after training.

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tryinhere

14 years ago

There are many respected / established off liners here ( you may have to search a little ) and most of the good ones will charge a good $.

I suppose the other question is (with the shoe on the other foot) how much would a person charge to have a newbie hanging of his or her shirt tails slowing them down with questions or time wasters / over not being tied down and getting more done and making more money without the stress.

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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

Just a quick heads up for people looking for offline coaching:

Vast majority of folks who do REALLY make big bucks offline do not have the time to be teaching others - unless they get paid same numbers they make in a couple hours of consulting.

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John Durham

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Just a quick heads up for people looking for offline coaching:

Vast majority of folks who do REALLY make big bucks offline do not have the time to be teaching others - unless they get paid same numbers they make in a couple hours of consulting.

I disagree. It only takes a couple of weeks to fill up a forum with content for training, and then just answer peoples questions to help guide them along the way in a semi hand holding fashion...day to day, as they succeed at their own pace.

The proof is in the pudding. If success stories are being created then a coach is worth his salt.

My partner and I have a forum we run for FREE coaching people, and we see new people making significant money almost daily.

It worked so well I opened another for training in a different area, and you will start seeing those stories popping like popcorn too within a week or two as well.

So, once again, I disagree.

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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Durham

I disagree. It only takes a couple of weeks to fill up a forum with content for training, and then just answer peoples questions to help guide them along the way in a semi hand holding fashion...day to day, as they succeed at their own pace.

John,

"a forum with content for training, and then just answer peoples questions to help guide them along the way in a semi hand holding fashion" is NOT coaching.

Coaching is made live and personal and it's time consuming - Thats the difference between sharing information AND coaching someone.

Just my 2 cents.

And I keep my words above: vast majority of offliners who REALLY know what they're doing, don't wast time teaching others UNLESS they get paid accordingly.

And I am talking about COACHING - not WSO's, foruns, blogs, or whatever.

You can buy a Jose Mourinho football techniques book - but thats not the same of having him coaching you, is it?

Fernando

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John Durham

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

John,

"a forum with content for training, and then just answer peoples questions to help guide them along the way in a semi hand holding fashion" is NOT coaching.

Coaching is made live and personal and it's time consuming - Thats the difference between sharing information AND coaching someone.

Just my 2 cents.

And I keep my words above: vast majority of offliners who REALLY know what they're doing, don't wast time teaching others UNLESS they get paid accordingly.

And I am talking about COACHING - not WSO's, foruns, blogs, or whatever.

You can buy a Jose Mourinho football techniques book - but thats not the same of having him coaching you, is it?

Fernando

I stand corrected. I guess Im just thinking anytime you hold someones hand till they become a success story its all coaching...

I once heard it said, and this has always stuck with me..., that the highest form of a mastery is not determined by personal skills, (or even how much you can charge, because good pr can jack your price up even if you have no substance) but , the highest form of a master is rather determined by how many others one can lead to their own mastery, or greatness.

I tend to think of a coach as a "master" of training... and judge them by how many people become successful from that training, not so much the vehicle.

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chrisnegro

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Just a quick heads up for people looking for offline coaching:

Vast majority of folks who do REALLY make big bucks offline do not have the time to be teaching others - unless they get paid same numbers they make in a couple hours of consulting.

Very true Fernando....

Success,

Chris Negro

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George Phillip

14 years ago

I would only pay whatever Maria Gudelis charges. She knows her stuff.

Another one is Gene Hammen, he knows real marketing and talks of things like LTV, 80/20 law and Compounding

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Maria Gudelis

14 years ago

Originally Posted by George Phillip

I would only pay whatever Maria Gudelis charges. She knows her stuff.

Another one is Gene Hammen, he knows real marketing and talks of things like LTV, 80/20 law and Compounding

I'm blushing!

Thanks George - Warriors -sorry I haven't been participating as much lately in the forum - I've been working on some launches and some of my offline clients - helping them do some cool 'NEW' stuff on customer interaction/engagement in both offline marketing channels and online...

I'll try to get back in more here in a few weeks! Cheers, Maria Gudelis

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TimCastleman

14 years ago

Depends on what you value.

I've had coaching students go on to make $15,000 within a few weeks of class of being over.

She paid $388 or $495 (I can't remember but it cost $495 now).

I also saved one student over $5k with a single link.

So it's about value you get.

I know I teach marketing skills to people so they can use them for life.

Think some sales skills might come in handy once in your life?

What about negotiation skills?

What about mindset stuff?

Hard to put a price on it really.

Tim

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marciayudkin

14 years ago

If someone is making good money as an actual offline consultant, they're probably making a significant hourly wage. They aren't going to reduce their earning potential by spending time on coaching.

If that were true, then there would be no qualified mentors for anything having to do with making money, and that's just not the case.

Some people enjoy mentoring others - it provides balance in their life.

Marcia Yudkin

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Hugh Thyer

14 years ago

Thanks Tim,I don't really understand the question that's been asked. Why wouldn't you spend money on having someone help you get the results you're looking for? If they've been there and done it, and (AND) you're an action-taker then it seems like the obvious thing to do. If you're serious about what you're doing then any opportunity to short cut the process should be grabbed with both hands. I just spend $5,000 on a weekend with a mastermind group and have put together an action plan that's going to kick my copywriting career up another big step. For me, I've already generated about $15k simply by being in that room. If you think coaching is a waste of time then it's probably a mindset thing you've got to overcome more than anything. Because if you're questioning the benefits of it, it means your targets are too low. Hugh

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BrashImpact

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Hugh Thyer

Thanks Tim,I don't really understand the question that's been asked. Why wouldn't you spend money on having someone help you get the results you're looking for? If they've been there and done it, and (AND) you're an action-taker then it seems like the obvious thing to do. If you're serious about what you're doing then any opportunity to short cut the process should be grabbed with both hands. I just spend $5,000 on a weekend with a mastermind group and have put together an action plan that's going to kick my copywriting career up another big step. For me, I've already generated about $15k simply by being in that room. If you think coaching is a waste of time then it's probably a mindset thing you've got to overcome more than anything. Because if you're questioning the benefits of it, it means your targets are too low. Hugh

Hugh,
i think you are Missing Tim's Point. Inside this forum, the majority of people who are
earning a Signifcant income, are not the ones providing coaching. There is always value in masterminds and coaching, however, the value of the mastermind itself and the coach determine the price. Most of the Offline warriors making big money offline, have no time to take coaching one on one.

If they have that kind of time, and bill at even $250 an hour, they are losing a lot of money that could be spent on their business. Or time with the family, friend, vacations, or investing that time in building powerful offline relationships with others.

The moral is, if your paying for offline coaching anything less than $750 to $2k an hour, then chances are, you getting mediocre coaching. A lower end coaching can be done, by simply using the SEARCH FUNCTION on the forum and studying posts. If you need someone to kick you in the butt to get motivated, then hire a Personal Trainer for $100 an hour. Its all relative.

I get asked to coach via PM all the time, I always respond with sorry we dont provide that service.

To your Continued success Huge
Regards,
Robert

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George Phillip

14 years ago

I would only pay whatever Maria Gudelis charges. She knows her stuff.

Another one is Gene Hammen, he knows real marketing and talks of things like LTV, 80/20 law and Compounding

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FormerWageSlave

14 years ago

I wouldn't pay a dime. This stuff isn't rocket surgery.

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Vagabond 007

14 years ago

Originally Posted by George Phillip

I would only pay whatever Maria Gudelis charges. She knows her stuff.

Another one is Gene Hammen, he knows real marketing and talks of things like LTV, 80/20 law and Compounding

Thanks George! Appreciate the compliment.

Originally Posted by TimCastleman

Depends on what you value.

Excellent point.

Originally Posted by TimCastleman

I know I teach marketing skills to people so they can use them for life.

Think some sales skills might come in handy once in your life?

What about negotiation skills?

What about mindset stuff?

Hard to put a price on it really.

Tim

Another excellent point. Clearly you "get it."

Originally Posted by FormerWageSlave

I wouldn't pay a dime. This stuff isn't rocket surgery.

I somewhat agree with you. To some it isn't hard. Too others it is.

But like Tim said, it's about the value. That's what a coach brings to the table. It's not that it's hard to do these things. But a coach can...

Hold you accountable
Show your shortcuts (this is HUGE)
Offer advice that comes from years of experience
Save you time (another HUGE one)
Give you resources
Keep you on track
Etc.

To some that is VERY valuable.

People like Tiger Woods have coaches. All professional sports teams have coaches.

Coaches have many benefits.

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14 years ago

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ashokpobox

14 years ago

A real legitimate qualified coach will never ask for even a single penny. I don't understand you question. Sorry

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Hugh Thyer 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ashokpobox

A real legitimate qualified coach will never ask for even a single penny. I don't understand you question. Sorry

Huh?

Why wouldn't they ask for money?
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14 years ago

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MichaelHiles

14 years ago

Top notch marketing consultants aren't in the business of training competition. If you're getting coaching you can bet you're not getting the hardcore info from the trench - because nobody in their right mind shows people how to compete with them in their core business. We're not talking about teaching someone how to get a website ranked here. It's straight up business 101.

Just sayin'.

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Hugh Thyer 14 years ago

Once you're at a certain level there is no competition. Too many people need top notch marketers and copywriters, and there aren't enough of them. That's what I love about copywriting. It's completely uncompetitive. Everyone helps everyone out because nobody ever competes for the one client. I had it once in my career and will never do it again. As for coaching, people deserve to get paid for what they do. It's when money changes hands that everything changes. People's commitment is different, both the coach's and the student's. I have no problem paying for advice. I pay for other services I use so why should this be different. Besides, if I want someone to show me how to make money they'd better be doing it too. As Dan Kennedy says "When they turn up, bill them."
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Mike Grant

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MichaelHiles

Top notch marketing consultants aren't in the business of training competition. If you're getting coaching you can bet you're not getting the hardcore info from the trench - because nobody in their right mind shows people how to compete with them in their core business. We're not talking about teaching someone how to get a website ranked here. It's straight up business 101.

Just sayin'.

If people need to be told this, they're in the wrong business.

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Joe Benjamin

13 years ago

Originally Posted by draede

If the person took you by the hand and had you look over their shoudler to see results and made you take action (wow that was a lot of IM cliches), how much would you pay for that?

Originally Posted by MichaelHiles

Top notch marketing consultants aren't in the business of training competition. If you're getting coaching you can bet you're not getting the hardcore info from the trench - because nobody in their right mind shows people how to compete with them in their core business. We're not talking about teaching someone how to get a website ranked here. It's straight up business 101.

Just sayin'.

Funny you should say...

I've taught people EXACTLY (no hiding or leaving out what I
know to be important pieces of information) and every time
I go to do what I've taught, I STILL make money (if not more)
than I ever have before...even when my buyers are doing the
same exact thing.

I don't compete with other people, I compete with myself.

If you want to believe people are "taking" something away
from you by you showing them the way...than that's a fear
you choose to live with.

It's not right, and it's not wrong. It's just a belief. And if that
belief serves you in reaching your goals, than have at it.

But business 101 it is not.

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John Durham

14 years ago

Personally Im trying to train up an army of pros, because Im tired of being the only person in my game... having a network of like minded people is a strong cord not easily broken... we share resources... and are able to network together and speak the same language, even generate fresh ideas from the collective pool of thought that have never been tried before by mixing our diverse experience from both in and outside the box... The enlightenment is mutual.

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Mike Grant

14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Durham

Personally Im trying to train up an army of pros, because Im tired of being the only person in my game... having a network of like minded people is a strong cord not easily broken... we share resources... and are able to network together and speak the same language, even generate fresh ideas from the collective pool of thought that have never been tried before by mixing our diverse experience from both in and outside the box... The enlightenment is mutual.

Indeed. I've been attempting to find private forums for this very reason.

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Joe Benjamin

13 years ago

Originally Posted by draede

If the person took you by the hand and had you look over their shoudler to see results and made you take action (wow that was a lot of IM cliches), how much would you pay for that?

Cliche? Perhaps.

But, have you considered the possibility that many of those
cliches can be true with the right coach and mentor?

I don't have anyone who's "forcing" me to take action, nor
do I have anyone who's holding me by the hand...but they
are allowing me to look over the shoulder and take part in
everything they do in Direct Mail Marketing.

So, I guess it depends on your definition of an offline coach.

I'm assuming it's the "cliched" offline marketer who knows
how to get offline clients,

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It's strange, because this scenario DOES exist if you look
hard enough and do enough research on the person before
taking the plunge.

I pay only $100 per month for this coaching, and I would
happily pay atleast triple that amount based on the results
I've had and continue to get as a result of this cliched
dream scenario.

Heck, I could pay $1000 a month and I would feel like I'm
ripping my coaches off. But, they make their money on the
volume and backend sales of what I do, so it balances out.

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gifttools

13 years ago

Being of the NOOB class - I would actual slow down someone who has the experience of doing the various aspects of setting up and running this type of campaign - Yet, eve though I'm the NOOB having been on the forum has been so valuable for my growth - can I get a witness - having said this each student will have different strengths and weaknesses, as such, learning curves will be unique based upon skill sets.

Some of the WSO's I've purchased have been weak in substance and still too high at 10,000 feet and left me wanting more. K.I.S.S. it and show some real life examples of actual sites that you've sold or are renting out, cover the materials from - beginning market research through following up on a monthly basis. Keep it neat and clean and ask ~ $149 here and ~$249 outside of here and you should have enough clients to make it worth your while.

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