How Do I Gauge What To Charge?

17 replies
In terms of SEO - how do I know what to charge per keyword?

For Google Places optimization - how do I know what to charge?

I just have absolutely no idea when it comes to what to charge for these services...I need some basic, general guidelines.

$50 a month per keyword? $497 for a Google Places optimization?

(See, I'm clueless! LOL)

Also, in terms of contract length...6 months? 1 year?

HELP me you guys! :confused:

(And THANK YOU. Thank you thank you thank you! I so love this subforum!)
#charge #gauge
  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    My contracts are monthly, sort of. The price is locked in for one year, but either myself or the business owner can back out at any time with 30 days notice. I've never had anyone back out.

    I know some people like to throw a year or 2 year contract out there. I think business owners are going to be a little hesitant to lock into anything long term until they can see some results.

    As far as what to charge... it depends on the size of the company, the size of their market, the potential business you can bring them, etc. For example, I'm charging one local business $1200/month for SEO work (about 8 keywords), Facebook marketing, YouTube marketing, Twitter marketing, and a monthly newsletter. All of this is focused on the local market, which is a county of about 350,000 people. Not real big, but not tiny. Now after a few months they want to setup a second site to market their products nationally. I'm proposing a fee of $1000/month for the SEO work alone on that site because it is going to be a lot more work, but also a lot bigger return for them.

    For most businesses, somewhere in the range of $500/month for SEO work is probably a decent target point for you. For Google Listings, it depends on the client. If I know it is going to be a big contract, I throw it in for free. For a smaller company, I charge in the neighborhood of $200 to set it up.

    Hope that helps.
    Signature

    For SEO news, discussions, tactics, and more.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2911105].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Voasi
    Here's a good model I've done before for your one-man marketing army:

    1. Do the optimization yourself for a friend's site or a side business. Keep track of all the time it took you to do the work.
    2. If you had to pay for directory submissions, etc... write down your hard costs.
    3. You should have your time and your hard costs total.

    Now, just figure out how much you want to make per hour and then add that to your hard costs and you'll have your package price.
    Signature
    Want $6,000/mo. SEO Clients? Watch My Free Video!
    We do WSO Designs TOO!!! Best on WF! - Click Here
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2911335].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Bronwyn and Keith
      Hi Voasi

      Thats a pretty good formula.

      The only change we would make to it would be to outsource the processes and find out how many hours it took them to do. Then based on our skills using the same tools or processes we would adjust the number of hours accordingly.

      Then do 2 and 3.

      Regards

      Bronwyn and Keith
      Originally Posted by Voasi View Post

      Here's a good model I've done before for your one-man marketing army:

      1. Do the optimization yourself for a friend's site or a side business. Keep track of all the time it took you to do the work.
      2. If you had to pay for directory submissions, etc... write down your hard costs.
      3. You should have your time and your hard costs total.

      Now, just figure out how much you want to make per hour and then add that to your hard costs and you'll have your package price.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2911936].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author thesanto
      Originally Posted by Voasi View Post

      Here's a good model I've done before for your one-man marketing army:

      1. Do the optimization yourself for a friend's site or a side business. Keep track of all the time it took you to do the work.
      2. If you had to pay for directory submissions, etc... write down your hard costs.
      3. You should have your time and your hard costs total.

      Now, just figure out how much you want to make per hour and then add that to your hard costs and you'll have your package price.
      I like this approach as well!

      Also I like the approach probing the client on what's a customer worth to them over a year's period. A combination of these things can give you a very good idea on how to set your price.

      Good luck on your search!

      Henry
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2915102].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
    The basics of pricing:

    1) Work out what is the minimum you can do the work for (never go lower then this)
    2) Estimate what one lead/client is worth to your customer (if it's worth 40k, then naturally you not going to charge 250dollars for a lead)

    Your job is to get as much money as you can out of the client... not to state a fair price. Microsoft etc did not get rich by selling fairly. If your service is of value to the client and they are prepared to pay way more then another client, THEN IT IS OK. Your client is willing to pay as it is worth it for them, and they make a lot more money back from your lead.

    The real question is not what can i charge - BUT WHAT IS MY CLIENT WILLING TO PAY

    You work that out by asking:
    1) What is your current marketing spend (Mask the question by asking what marketing activities they have first)

    2) How much a customer is worth to them over a year (what they sell to them including aftersales) - again mask this question by asking if thy have consider the lifetime value of a customer and if thye upsell the customer.

    3) How many extra customers they can handle - no need t mask this, this is the semi arrogant 'I can deliver statement - but can you handle the avalanche I am about to send your way'

    These three questions set my price everytime. When i found a client who can't answer these questions I explain why it is so important - and they often pay me $500 for the two hours work to find the answer for them.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2912506].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Voasi
    Originally Posted by bronke13

    The only change we would make to it would be to outsource the processes and find out how many hours it took them to do. Then based on our skills using the same tools or processes we would adjust the number of hours accordingly.
    I still do the same process and then outsource it. That's the cost to work with me and my team, who are trained and qualified, under my supervision - so the hourly stays consistent with MY rates.
    Signature
    Want $6,000/mo. SEO Clients? Watch My Free Video!
    We do WSO Designs TOO!!! Best on WF! - Click Here
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2914366].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    Okay, I believe that what I am going to do is have three packages:

    Package A: 6 months of promotion for 4 keywords @ $220 a month
    Package B: 12 months of promotion for 4 keywords @ $210 a month
    Package C: 24 months of promotion for 4 keywords @ $200 a month

    Google Places verification and optimization $497 (this will include images and video)

    Am I on track here or completely hopeless? :p
    Signature
    Sign up to be notified when Success on Demand goes live, and receive a FREE mindmap that you can follow to create and launch your OWN IM PRODUCTS!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2915362].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Randy Miller
      Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets View Post

      Okay, I believe that what I am going to do is have three packages:

      Package A: 6 months of promotion for 4 keywords @ $220 a month
      Package B: 12 months of promotion for 4 keywords @ $210 a month
      Package C: 24 months of promotion for 4 keywords @ $200 a month

      Google Places verification and optimization $497 (this will include images and video)

      Am I on track here or completely hopeless? :p
      Hello Lisa,

      Thanks for starting this thread. The how much do I charge question has been a huge one for me too. At this point I'm not offering a monthly package (although I intend to).

      I'm currently offering 2 packages (each are one time only offers) for local search optimization. I'm realizing that I'm under-priced on both of them. One is a Google only package and the other one is a "Everything and the kitchen sink" type of package. Feel free to PM me if you (or anyone else reading this) would like to see the pricing page on my website.

      Best of Luck!

      Randy
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2931216].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mnlewis
    @ bronke13

    Where can we go to find someone to outsource the SEO?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2915811].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
      Off-line small businesses tend to be comfortable around the $ 500 per month mark.

      I usually just figure out roughly how much extra money they will be making per month and try to aim at about 25% of that increased revenue. In their view they still end up with 75% of the extra income and so everyone's happy
      Signature

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2916696].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
      Originally Posted by mnlewis View Post

      @ bronke13

      Where can we go to find someone to outsource the SEO?
      oDesk, Elance, Freelancer and similar services are an option.

      Alternately you can look for online businesses that provide outsourcing services.

      PM me if you want a list
      Signature

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2916702].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author StephanieMojica
    Keep in mind that many people undercharge, according to seven figure experts such as Christian Mickelsen and Kathleen Gage. (Both of them have substantial success in offline and online marketing.)

    Also, remember that your customer isn't just buying a product; he/she is also paying to save time and take advantage of your years of training and expertise.

    But you need to be cognizant of what your market will bear; doing research or hiring a VA to research for you regarding your competitors' prices is key especially when you're still building an expert reputation in your niche.

    Peace,
    Stephanie
    Signature
    Are you still struggling to grow your Internet business income? Learn the secrets that increased my income 700%--and can do the same for you--in my free report "5 Business Prosperity Secrets." Go here now to download your copy at no cost to you...http://www.businessprosperitysecrets.com
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2931644].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author alanborcic
    Below pricing is from Kevin Wilke's Local Business Money Machine

    ================================================== =============
    Site Design -$695+
    Landing Pages -$300+
    Content Creation -$300 minimum
    Video Creation -$495 minimum
    Video Marketing -$225 per keyword
    Article Marketing -$225+ per article
    Directory (Business) Submissions -$225 for top 5 or 10
    SEO/BacklinkGeneration -$500+ per month
    PPC Management -Monthly charge plus % ad spend
    Social Networking Setup -$395+
    Email Marketing Setup -$495+
    General Marketing Consulting –Per Hour or Package
    Signature

    Get Life You Deserve
    Alan Borcic
    www.alanborcic.tv

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2931727].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
      How do you gauge what to charge? Like this:



      Best Regards,
      vip-ip ...
      Signature
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2934537].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
        Nice posts already.

        A few ideas:

        # Estimate the potential dollar value to the business of your work in increased profits and charge around 1/4 of that.

        # Be aware of the kinds of bills, payroll etc the business is paying so you can fit your own fees into a bill range their used to. You can get an idea of this by thinking through rental rates for commercial premises in the area and the number of employees the business has.

        # Think of the maximum your think the business will pay and start by quoting triple that. Most people don't charge enough and businesses will be usually try to negotiate you down anyway.

        # Always charge enough upfront before you start at each stage that if you never get paid another cent you're still happy doing the work.


        Kindest regards,
        Andrew Cavanagh
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2935043].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
          Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

          Nice posts already.

          A few ideas:

          # Estimate the potential dollar value to the business of your work in increased profits and charge around 1/4 of that.

          # Be aware of the kinds of bills, payroll etc the business is paying so you can fit your own fees into a bill range their used to. You can get an idea of this by thinking through rental rates for commercial premises in the area and the number of employees the business has.

          # Think of the maximum your think the business will pay and start by quoting triple that. Most people don't charge enough and businesses will be usually try to negotiate you down anyway.

          # Always charge enough upfront before you start at each stage that if you never get paid another cent you're still happy doing the work.


          Kindest regards,
          Andrew Cavanagh
          Great advice

          I tend to go with doubling whatever I think I should charge

          For getting paid I recommend for small jobs the client pays all up front, for larger jobs split it into stages and have them pre-pay for each stage.

          You are better off charging up front and offering money back guarantees than wasting your time chasing clients that owe you money.
          Signature

          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2945835].message }}

Trending Topics