Have you ever received angry responses to your letters/emails/calls?

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When I'm marketing my services, I tend to use letters and e-mails. If someone has a god awful website, I tell them why their website is a problem, and then I describe the benefits I can bring to them to solve that problem. I try not to be afraid of criticizing the potential client's website, but it's not like I go overboard, and I make it clear that I'm being honest so that I can help them.

I still think it's true that we have to assume that the potential clients don't know a whole lot about technology, so you've really gotta avoid jargon etc, and put things really simply and put emphasis on the benefits. But, now and then, I certainly get an ear-full from people.

About 10 minutes ago I got an e-mail response from a guy telling me he found my e-mail patronising, annoying, and he has no faith or confidence in my abilities or professionalism due to me saying "Cheers" before my name at the end of the email, which was actually an accident (I have multiple signatures saved for both formal and informal use), but still, that seemed a bit much for him to say. Just goes to show how much someone will nitpick, and why his feelings got hurt is beyond me.

So, do any of you ever get angry responses from people you have contacted about your services?

I find it a bit disheartening, is it best to just forget about it? Or is it a sign that I'm doing something wrong? It turns out that treating everyone like a technophobe can truly backfire at times.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    You know, unfortunately 'brutally honest' isn't the best approach to landing clients.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashley Skuse
    I really only just started marketing a website re-design service again as a means of client acquisition for upselling my other services to.

    Previously I was only focusing on SEO and mobile web design for businesses that didn't already have either of those things in place, so the approach is different on this occasion, and it looks like telling people that their websites look outdated is a mistake!

    I work a lot with trial and error, so I guess I just have to take note of the way people respond and learn from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
    Theres a saying about catching more flies with honey than with vinegar.

    You could trying to be more tactful, whilst still point out flaws with their website - or rather ways to improve what they already have.

    Funnily enough - a lot of people like to work with someone business like and professional, so a cheers would seem out of place, especially if you are asking them to part with their hard earned cash.

    It's good though - even negative feedback from a potential customer allows you to adjust what your message for future prospects.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    Being 'brutally honest' isn't quite the best way to go with potential clients.

    Also, critique should only be done after a relationship has already been established.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bronwyn and Keith
    Hi Ashley

    As the T-Shirt says "Sh*t Happens".

    Move onto the next person and stop beating yourself up.

    Somedays you get people who are having a bad day and have a "need" to take that out on someone else.

    Looks like you got one.

    Anyway our advice is ---- NEXT PLEASE.

    Regards

    Bronwyn and Keith
    Originally Posted by Ashley Cooper View Post

    When I'm marketing my services, I tend to use letters and e-mails. If someone has a god awful website, I tell them why their website is a problem, and then I describe the benefits I can bring to them to solve that problem. I try not to be afraid of criticizing the potential client's website, but it's not like I go overboard, and I make it clear that I'm being honest so that I can help them.

    I still think it's true that we have to assume that the potential clients don't know a whole lot about technology, so you've really gotta avoid jargon etc, and put things really simply and put emphasis on the benefits. But, now and then, I certainly get an ear-full from people.

    About 10 minutes ago I got an e-mail response from a guy telling me he found my e-mail patronising, annoying, and he has no faith or confidence in my abilities or professionalism due to me saying "Cheers" before my name at the end of the email, which was actually an accident (I have multiple signatures saved for both formal and informal use), but still, that seemed a bit much for him to say. Just goes to show how much someone will nitpick, and why his feelings got hurt is beyond me.

    So, do any of you ever get angry responses from people you have contacted about your services?

    I find it a bit disheartening, is it best to just forget about it? Or is it a sign that I'm doing something wrong? It turns out that treating everyone like a technophobe can truly backfire at times.
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    • Profile picture of the author caryduke
      I have received both emails and phone calls after sending a "cold" email soliciting website review opportunities. This is BEFORE I critiqued their site. Simply offering a video review.

      The funniest was an email sent to a local business association list. Received an extremely negative, scathing, in fact, email from an investment advisor. Same day received an email requesting a review. Turns out they were married to each other.

      LOL

      It's no big deal. These same type of people complain about the amount of junk mail they receive.

      If you are not offending someone, you aren't working hard enough.
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      • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
        Originally Posted by caryduke View Post

        If you are not offending someone, you aren't working hard enough.
        Agreed

        There are some clients that you can walk on water for, give them the moon, number 1 Google rank, 500% increase in sales and they will still feel ripped off by the $50 you charged them to do it.

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    • Profile picture of the author wbinst2
      Don't you think he should change his email/sig/whole approach before saying 'next please'?

      I've been in business a long time (20 years) and any sign of non professionalism shows you are dealing with an amateur.

      People (businesses) don't like getting unsolicited emails at best, but one that is unprofessional and criticises their website (their business asset) deserves and angry response imo.

      Ashley, you need to change your whole approach. Be more business like, more professional.



      Originally Posted by bronke13 View Post

      Hi Ashley

      As the T-Shirt says "Sh*t Happens".

      Move onto the next person and stop beating yourself up.

      Somedays you get people who are having a bad day and have a "need" to take that out on someone else.

      Looks like you got one.

      Anyway our advice is ---- NEXT PLEASE.

      Regards

      Bronwyn and Keith
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      • Profile picture of the author Bronwyn and Keith
        Hi wbinst2

        Yeah we've been in business for a long time too, Keith for more than 35 years and Bronwyn for more than 10 plus a 30 year teaching stint.

        The secret to making a dollar in the real world is being yourself. If thats what Ashley is doing then we are all for it.

        What is non-professional to one person is homely, personable, interested to another.

        We would rather be ourselves than some overly professional robot any day.

        Regards

        Bronwyn and Keith

        Originally Posted by wbinst2 View Post

        Don't you think he should change his email/sig/whole approach before saying 'next please'?

        I've been in business a long time (20 years) and any sign of non professionalism shows you are dealing with an amateur.

        People (businesses) don't like getting unsolicited emails at best, but one that is unprofessional and criticises their website (their business asset) deserves and angry response imo.

        Ashley, you need to change your whole approach. Be more business like, more professional.
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        • Profile picture of the author wbinst2
          Who is advocating that? Thats too far the other way. But people always use extreme examples to make a point.

          Originally Posted by bronke13 View Post

          Hi wbinst2

          We would rather be ourselves than some overly professional robot any day.
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          • Profile picture of the author Bronwyn and Keith
            Not much more to say than

            Originally Posted by wbinst2 View Post

            Who is advocating that? Thats too far the other way. But people always use extreme examples to make a point.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheFreebieGuy
    I would agree with what some of the others said. The way you communicate with your prospective clients play a significant role as to whether you will land the client or not. If you are very negative in your criticism, that could be a problem.

    I would recommend finding the good first and pointing those out. There has to be some good, even if it's just the fact that they took the initiative to put up a website. You can always find positives in the midst of negatives.

    Once you have the positives out the way, then you can talk about the negatives in terms of what can be improved to make them even more productive, or to make their websites much more appealing and effective.

    That's the route I would go.
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  • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
    I am surprised, but after a few hundred calls I have only received one "We're on the DNC list, quit calling!". It was an attorney.

    I disconnected from the dialer for a bit as that kind of set me back, but picked the phone back up and got back on.

    "You can't get back on the horse if you never fell off"
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashley Skuse
    wbinst2 I can appreciate what you're saying, but if you read my whole post you'll see I mentioned it was done in error. I am usually an accurate person.

    I disagree about the angry response though. When someone offends me in my working life, I do respond but I remain very cool and polite, I've just always been taught how important that is.

    I actually rarely use email for sending out that kind of stuff, I tend to write formal letters that go down well, so I guess it's silly that I had such a bad start to an email campaign.
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    • Profile picture of the author wbinst2
      If it was done in error, then why worry about posting on here?

      You are critising some businesses asset and you are asking them to do business with you and give you money.

      Re getting angry. Small business is about putting out fires all day. They are busy , stressed and dont need unsolicited emails criticising their website and asking them to do business with you.

      Who ever put that business model in your head?

      Apologies for the bluntness but if you want to make money in business. Its not easy and its tough out there. Regardless how many WSO's you've bought that tell you different.


      The best model is to get them to come to you. It puts you in a much more powerful position.

      heres a start:

      The Obvious Expert


      Originally Posted by Ashley Cooper View Post

      wbinst2 I can appreciate what you're saying, but if you read my whole post you'll see I mentioned it was done in error. I am usually an accurate person.

      I disagree about the angry response though. When someone offends me in my working life, I do respond but I remain very cool and polite, I've just always been taught how important that is.

      I actually rarely use email for sending out that kind of stuff, I tend to write formal letters that go down well, so I guess it's silly that I had such a bad start to an email campaign.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bronwyn and Keith
        Hi wbinst2

        Agree that the best approach is for them to come to you.

        Plus, only the strong survive as it is tough out there.

        Regards

        Bronwyn and Keith
        Originally Posted by wbinst2 View Post

        Apologies for the bluntness but if you want to make money in business. Its not easy and its tough out there. Regardless how many WSO's you've bought that tell you different.


        The best model is to get them to come to you. It puts you in a much more powerful position.
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  • Profile picture of the author SubUrbanHype
    In my 2 weeks of cold calling experience trying to explain why they need their website redesigned, be cause they have a poorly designed website from like 2003. All I have been getting is angry responses, even though I don't come at them like "your website sucks" they get combative. I think its the fact with me is that people don't like to be cold called. Now emails that I have sent, its been about a week and I havent heard anything back from the 20 something emails I sent out so I am guessing that is a lost cause.
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    • Profile picture of the author caryduke
      Originally Posted by SubUrbanHype View Post

      In my 2 weeks of cold calling experience trying to explain why they need their website redesigned, be cause they have a poorly designed website from like 2003. All I have been getting is angry responses, even though I don't come at them like "your website sucks" they get combative. I think its the fact with me is that people don't like to be cold called. Now emails that I have sent, its been about a week and I havent heard anything back from the 20 something emails I sent out so I am guessing that is a lost cause.
      Are you asking them if they are receiving the type of response they hoped to get with their website prior to telling them it can be improved?

      Seems to me that if you are telling them it is poorly designed, you will get a negative response. What if the owner, or his wife/child/friend did it? What if he spent $1000 on it?

      If on the other hand you probe a bit, and provide value as in "one improvement you could make whether you decide to go with me or not is..."

      As for the emailing?

      20 email is nothing. Get back to us when you've sent 2000 with no response.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ashley Skuse
      Originally Posted by profitsforall View Post

      Theres a saying about catching more flies with honey than with vinegar.

      You could trying to be more tactful, whilst still point out flaws with their website - or rather ways to improve what they already have.

      Funnily enough - a lot of people like to work with someone business like and professional, so a cheers would seem out of place, especially if you are asking them to part with their hard earned cash.

      It's good though - even negative feedback from a potential customer allows you to adjust what your message for future prospects.
      Thanks, definitely good advice. I was just sort of approaching businesses just as a person, and talking to them informally. I was interested to see how it'd pan out as some of my past clients have been really very informal.

      Originally Posted by bronke13 View Post

      Hi Ashley

      As the T-Shirt says "Sh*t Happens".

      Move onto the next person and stop beating yourself up.

      Somedays you get people who are having a bad day and have a "need" to take that out on someone else.

      Looks like you got one.

      Anyway our advice is ---- NEXT PLEASE.

      Regards

      Bronwyn and Keith
      Thanks! I've seen a fair few of your posts and I love your positive attitude.

      Originally Posted by caryduke View Post

      I have received both emails and phone calls after sending a "cold" email soliciting website review opportunities. This is BEFORE I critiqued their site. Simply offering a video review.

      The funniest was an email sent to a local business association list. Received an extremely negative, scathing, in fact, email from an investment advisor. Same day received an email requesting a review. Turns out they were married to each other.

      LOL

      It's no big deal. These same type of people complain about the amount of junk mail they receive.

      If you are not offending someone, you aren't working hard enough.
      Haha, that is pretty funny stuff. And it surprises me that business people will actually take the time to respond in that manner when you have been perfectly fair.

      Originally Posted by Adam Roy View Post

      Being 'brutally honest' isn't quite the best way to go with potential clients.

      Also, critique should only be done after a relationship has already been established.
      Yeah, I didn't go into any actual detail, but even using words like "outdated" upfront can clearly offend. I'm used to talking about what a potential client DOESN'T have, rather than what they do have.

      Originally Posted by TheFreebieGuy View Post

      I would agree with what some of the others said. The way you communicate with your prospective clients play a significant role as to whether you will land the client or not. If you are very negative in your criticism, that could be a problem.

      I would recommend finding the good first and pointing those out. There has to be some good, even if it's just the fact that they took the initiative to put up a website. You can always find positives in the midst of negatives.

      Once you have the positives out the way, then you can talk about the negatives in terms of what can be improved to make them even more productive, or to make their websites much more appealing and effective.

      That's the route I would go.
      Yeah this is very true. Pretty tough sometimes to see things through their eyes, or most of the time even.

      Originally Posted by SubUrbanHype View Post

      In my 2 weeks of cold calling experience trying to explain why they need their website redesigned, be cause they have a poorly designed website from like 2003. All I have been getting is angry responses, even though I don't come at them like "your website sucks" they get combative. I think its the fact with me is that people don't like to be cold called. Now emails that I have sent, its been about a week and I havent heard anything back from the 20 something emails I sent out so I am guessing that is a lost cause.
      I guess the advice in this thread can help you too then. Also, it's largely a numbers game, and 20 is a very small number. There are people contacting many hundreds of businesses over the span of days.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    Just think about all the folks who didn't react in that way.. chin up fella.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Morris
    Personally, I’d prefer not use an email or letter as an initial contact. But whether you use letters, email, phone or personal contacts, I’d suggest rephrasing how you offer your comments.

    In Toastmasters when I’m evaluating a speech, I like to use the Oreo method. Give them some positive feedback, give them some constructive criticism and end with a positive comment.

    For the criticism, you might offer your comments in the form of a suggestion for what they might consider doing to help improve their product. Don’t try to force your opinion on them. Try to be as helpful as you can and let them know that you are available to discuss your suggestion or help them implement the changes.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
    Flush turd customers just like you would the real ones. Seriously don't worry about anyone who is not giving you money.

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    • Profile picture of the author anmatt
      Sorry to have to post this publicly, but my post count is too small to send PMs so here goes. Hey, I didn't make these rules.

      Hi Ashley,

      I notice from one of your posts that you have some knowledge about mobile marketing. I am interested in learning more about this.

      Can you share some insights with me?

      Have you heard of the product "mobile success blueprints?" Is it worth buying?

      Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author anmatt
    Yeah, someone may have worked really hard on their website so the criticism hit a nerve.

    I think a better approach may be to point out the positive and maybe you can work in how you can help them build on that.

    It might be better to first send a positive email and then if you get a response you can go into it more.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Fortunately, I've never received any rude/angry responses from my prospects yet. The worst that has happened so far is that they "disappear" off the grid and don't answer my phone calls or emails.

    I think the major reason for the rude/angry response that you received is because you were perhaps a little too heavy-handed in your criticism of the prospective client's website? I find it best to be tactful and fairly polite with prospects, as you don't want to say anything to annoy or perturb them especially when you're in the "prospecting" phase with them.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      There's a question I can't find an answer to.

      Did this person ASK you for a critique of his site - or did you contact him with a critique of the site?

      I think there's a big difference and surprising how people will jump in calling the prospect names or telling you to "dump him". If he asked for your opinion, that's one thing.

      If you sent your critique without a request from him or previous contact with him - I don't think his response is surprising.

      When you cold call by phone or in person - you are presenting your services and/or products and pointing out how the business owner might benefit by using your services. However, you would not call or walk in and immediately start telling the owner what's he is doing wrong in his store.

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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    Originally Posted by Ashley Cooper View Post

    If someone has a god awful website, I tell them why their website is a problem, and then I describe the benefits I can bring to them to solve that problem. I try not to be afraid of criticizing the potential client's website

    First of all understand that some business owners can be VERY straitforward and brutal with their language.

    Most are polite and friendly but there are a few who can be really obnoxious at times.


    Second it can be a mistake pointing out what's wrong with a website.

    You don't know who made that website and what relationship that person has to the business owner.

    In other words you don't know who you're insulting.

    Also be aware that some business owners might have a lot of emotional energy invested in the decisions they made in getting a website online...the money they spent on it etc etc.

    If you tell them effectively that they wasted their money and their decisions were wrong that may not be the best foundation for getting them to make another decision to spend money with you.


    It's usually better to take the angle that what they've got is a great start and here are some extra strategies that should massively increase their results.

    Kindest regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashley Skuse
    bronke13 - Yeah, I do like to be personable and just myself. It has worked very well with other clients. I do like to be professional as well, and I'm constantly trying to work out how I can make a compromise between the two. I think it's about adapting per potential client though. Understanding them is such an important thing with web design. Some are appropriate for a personable approach, and some aren't. It's like when I had a meeting with a young filmmaker I was to eventually build a website for, and the whole business relationship was incredibly informal, yet perfectly appropriate. Looks like it's easy to get too comfortable at times.

    James - Yeah good point, definitely good to be positive and constructive. I sometimes get too focused on the problems that need to be solved, because I want to give some sense of urgency and basically make it clear that the client NEEDS a new site. Too many of my old Internet marketing endevours rubbing off on me there..

    anmatt - Absolutely, it's not something I thought through as I've never had to take that into account before, but it can indeed be offensive now that I think about it. Also, I will PM or email you shortly about the mobile stuff. And I haven't bought that product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bronwyn and Keith
      Hi Ashley

      It sounds like you are pretty adaptable in the sales arena and cater to the personality of the client when you are face to face.

      That in itself is a skill not everybody has.

      Keep heading towards your goals.

      All the best

      Bronwyn and Keith
      Originally Posted by Ashley Cooper View Post

      bronke13 - Yeah, I do like to be personable and just myself. It has worked very well with other clients. I do like to be professional as well, and I'm constantly trying to work out how I can make a compromise between the two. I think it's about adapting per potential client though. Understanding them is such an important thing with web design. Some are appropriate for a personable approach, and some aren't. It's like when I had a meeting with a young filmmaker I was to eventually build a website for, and the whole business relationship was incredibly informal, yet perfectly appropriate. Looks like it's easy to get too comfortable at times.
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      • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
        Almost 30 years ago, I thought it was a great marketing approach to tell people what they were doing wrong as an entree to getting them to hire me to fix it.

        It failed horribly.

        From time to time in various situations I forget what I have learned and again tell someone what they're doing wrong and how I can help them. It almost always backfires.

        People do not like to receive criticism from strangers, however smart and well-intentioned, and it does not warm them up for a hiring relationship.

        The funny thing is that even when they have their wallet out and have asked for criticism, many people do not appreciate it.

        To accept suggestions, people have to be mentally receptive to change, and most people are that way only sometimes and only after some trigger in their lives other than the unsolicited criticism.

        I agree with everyone that it is not a recommended way of getting clients to provide free, unsolicited suggestions on their web site or anything else.

        In addition, if you are doing this in your own local community, you can count on building a nasty reputation for yourself. "Oh, you are the one going around and insulting people who have done you no harm..."

        Best of luck finding a kinder, more appealing entree.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ashley Skuse
    paulie888 - The disappearing client.. definitely a classic. I had a very polite attitude, but I made the mistake of using the word "outdated" to describe one's website. I usually wouldn't, it's just that the website was very ancient, and perhaps one of the worst I've seen in some time, but I realise I should have approached him differently.

    Kay King - I approached him, but don't get me wrong, I did not submit an actual website critique. But, I technically did criticise, as mentioned above. Definitely my bad on that one. He overreacted in my opinion, and I found that interesting as it's surely not good for his reputation when I'm someone very local to him. I remained polite throughout, when in actuality I was urged to send a sarcastic response - but hey, when dealing with rude people in business that you can do fine without, I believe it's important to bite your tongue, be polite, and move on. And he will indeed do fine without me, I just wanted to help him. He'd have been better off summing up his response up in a straightforward sentence. Little does he know, I use services like his. Will I buy from his ubsiness now? Definitely not, because I got a little taste of how the owner deals with situations.

    AndrewCavanagh - Definitely. It's obviously up to people how they behave. There is rarely a perfect prospect/client, but most I work with are acceptable and appropriate enough. Again, very good points, and I'm grateful that that has been put into perspective for me.

    Thanks to all for your comments and suggestions, I have made some positive changes in my approach and am expanding my efforts when it comes to learning about a business before approaching the owner.
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    • Profile picture of the author wbinst2
      So, are you blaming the business owner here?

      Originally Posted by Ashley Cooper View Post

      And he will indeed do fine without me, I just wanted to help him. He'd have been better off summing up his response up in a straightforward sentence. Little does he know, I use services like his. Will I buy from his ubsiness now? Definitely not, because I got a little taste of how the owner deals with situations.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Keep in mind people know the truth: they know their car is a piece of crap. They know that color is really awful. BUT there is a big difference between knowing (and living fine with that) and being called out about it.
        I like that comment.

        Another thing that can affect offline marketers in particular is you don't know "where" the prospects focus is today. His reaction to you may be based in part on other interruptions that day or worries about other things.

        It could be your approach - or his level of resistance - or simply bad timing.

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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Hmmm yep.

    If I remember correctly, we close less then 20% of prospects using similar strategies. That's why we moved to more profitable options.

    People don't want to listen their "car" is a piece of crap. They don't want to know that color is awful. They love that car, they hard bought it, you know?

    I used to be brutally honest with prospects and customers - Now, I just do it WHEN they ask me to.

    Keep in mind people know the truth: they know their car is a piece of crap. They know that color is really awful. BUT there is a big difference between knowing (and living fine with that) and being called out about it.



    Besides, IF the new "car" you're trying to sell them is so damn good, why talk about the old one?

    Right?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve1776
    One of the WF members (sorry I can't remember his name and don't have time to find the post) had good results using vomit bags (yep, like the ones on an airplane). He would use the bag as an envelope and put a letter inside. The letter would say something like "Is your website making you sick with it's lack of results? We can help." Just one of the free ideas that the WF members give away.

    Here's another way I just thought of that I think I'll try. Put a small picture of his website on an envelope with your sales message inside. I would almost guarantee he will open and read it. Wouldn't you open an envelope that had a picture of your site on it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Bronwyn and Keith
      Hi Steve

      Vomit bag - now thats just SICK...LOL

      Regards

      Bronwyn and Keith
      Originally Posted by Steve1776 View Post

      One of the WF members (sorry I can't remember his name and don't have time to find the post) had good results using vomit bags (yep, like the ones on an airplane). He would use the bag as an envelope and put a letter inside. The letter would say something like "Is your website making you sick with it's lack of results? We can help." Just one of the free ideas that the WF members give away.

      Here's another way I just thought of that I think I'll try. Put a small picture of his website on an envelope with your sales message inside. I would almost guarantee he will open and read it. Wouldn't you open an envelope that had a picture of your site on it?
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  • Profile picture of the author mnlewis
    Here's my .02 cents....instead of trying to offer re-design of a business website, maybe you should try to offer other services, such as a promotion of their website. Or maybe ask them how is their website working out for them, instead of critiquing their site.

    If you ask them that question you will see that they will tell you whether or not they are happy with their site and then go for there.

    That would be my suggestion
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