Which Local Program Should I Buy?

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I am very stuck. I am between six programs. I usually go here to see honest reviews, but they all have been pretty good. I would love to dominate my local area and I need the very best program... Which do you think will be the best for me. I have 10 years experience in internet marketing, but haven't really made any money. I am fluid with building sites and getting good ad advertising.

Here are the products:

1. Let's get social
2. One paper cash system
3. Social Media Marketing Machines
4. Google places unleashed (gplacesunleashed.com)
5. Local Business Money Machine
6. Mobile Local Fusion

I want to pick the best one. Leave your suggestions
#buy #local #program
  • Profile picture of the author Dean Martin
    Wow - I wasn't familiar with all these so went searching for sales pages and pricing. Someone has certainly figured out how to make money in the offline niche Selling to people wanting to get into the offline niche...

    Do you have SEO skills to offer offline businesses? Any proof to present to them? I know there's a lot of people who will discount this - but at some point you need to be able to present yourself and your company either in person or on the phone and SELL.

    If you can't do that I personally don't think there's a system you can purchase that will give you the magic bullet.

    The competition out here in the offline world is fierce so you'll need a pretty unique hook to just get your foot in the door.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
      Yeah, it sucks that there are so many programs...

      It's not easy trying to make money these days... So yes, there still are people interested in buying programs to learn how to make money online and offline.

      While there are systems created just for money, there are systems that help people learn a new business. I personally have used systems to get my mindset and skills to where they are now.

      I am not looking for a 'magic bullet' but a system that works... If so called "guru's" are selling systems to market to offline businesses, there has to be some truth to it. It has to work to some degree.

      So please give me constructive suggestions. I am not just going to say "well, it's to saturated offline and I don't have anything to offer, so I will just continue at my job not making money and there are no magic bullets..."

      I know one of these systems has to be decent. I have narrowed it down to these 6 systems.

      Which program do you think is the best? People on warrior forum know about program creators, upsells, and other inside info... That's what I am looking for which program is actually good. I am not trying to buy junk.

      I would like only people who are familiar with them to comment.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel LaRusso
        I'd like to maybe compare notes with you, if you don't mind.

        Is what you're looking to do this -
        physically go into a local business, like a dentist office or law firm or whatever, and sell a social media solution to them where they pay you X dollars and you act as a consultant to them, either fine tuning their current online presence with social media marketing, or getting them established if they don't already have a presence?

        This is something that I'd love to do, and I think I have a decent history of sales and online marketing, although I'm no superstar (or star) at either yet.

        There is a program that Mike Koenigs is unveiling that is called Massive Social Media Marketing (I think), that you can search for here, which seems like exactly what I want to do, but the $3000 price tag is a little steep for me right now.

        What do you think?
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        • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
          IN RESPONSE TO DANIEL LARUSSO

          Well, I have not made any notes yet, because I am in the research stage. Two years ago I started seeing a couple of people offering offline businesses.

          I purchased a program called "hidden cash secret" which was really genius... It was about offering local businesses a free website. The only thing they pay is the hosting. Which was like 10 bucks a month, but you had to pay 2 years up front. Then you outsource the business to india and they create the site then you get it to the business.

          I did try to work this business locally, but I didn't have any success with it. I had some talks with business owners and just couldn't get them to actually do it. I did try to call the outsourcer he provided - I had a difficult time getting him to understand what I needed and getting the pricing right (the price he charged versus what I charged)

          The problem with that program was that when he brought out the course it was not matching the figures and the companies he was using when he was doing it. In other words it was not updated...

          So, I figured that offline was a better choice than online marketing and at that time there were really no other programs except website design. I just continued my quest online. Now, since social networks have exploded and facebook made a movie. This field is exploding. So I want to be in it - especially while at ground floor.

          So I am wanting to learn offline local marketing.

          There are other things that are becoming popular, but I haven't got into it yet. Online webinars are very hot right now and push button software is hot.

          But the only way to make money with that is to have your own product, which to do that realistically you have to make enough money online to invest your money in a product and sales copy...That I don't have

          Mike Koenigs program is on my list and is the one I am leaning toward. His site is killer and his videos are very well done and super easy to understand but, It's super duper expensive... The only way I can do this pay in installments and hope I can recoup fast.

          Thanks for responding. I just love this site real people and real honest opinions...
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  • Profile picture of the author ObsidianKnight
    Originally Posted by Andre Slater View Post

    I have 10 years experience in internet marketing, but haven't really made any money. I am fluid with building sites and getting good ad advertising.
    Andre,

    If I were you I would save your money right this minute. Here's why.

    First, you stated you have 10 years experience in Im, but have not made any money. The first thing you need to do is to decide exactly what you want to accomplish.

    I will assume that you want to make money?? Correct me if this is wrong.

    So going on the assumtpion you want to make money, all you simply need is a way to make money. Some method that you can employ within a short period of time, one that will have immediate results and does not take a lot of work or money.

    Another program is not likely to be your answer. Your statement is paramount to saying

    "I worked for McDonalds for 10 years, but need to know where I can go to make better burgers"

    Not trying to be too harsh, but the truth is, apply the knowledge you already have.

    If you are fluid with site building, build sites for others. Start there by offering this as a service, (either online or offline). Heck, offer your site building services to fellow Warriors. They always need sites built and you have access to thousands of warriors as potential clients.

    Create site templates, offer them as a WSO. Offer something you can do as a lead builder to get people "in the door" and then buy the program if you still need to.

    I suggest creating your very own program. This is how I would do it.

    Right an outline. Using MS word or openOffice, create the outline based on the steps need to accomplish the goals of the client. A starting point outline might be like this:

    Client Website Strategy Outline:
    1. Website objectives
    I. Brand business
    II. Increase profits
    III. custome retention
    2. Preliminary Analysis
    I. research market
    II. research keywords
    3. build website
    I. SEO Practices
    II. Link Building
    III. Copy Writing
    IV. Traffic Generation

    As you can see, the process of building a website, is only one step in the overall scheme of internet marekting. Once you have them buying sites from you, you can then push other services to them.

    Afterall, a site by itself will likely just sit there and do nothing. Offer them a free traffic package, a SEO analysis of any present sites, a web 2.0 presense, or just about any other value added service to help entice them to buy from you.

    It is all about action. Just get yourself started somewhere. The first step is always the hardest.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
      Originally Posted by ObsidianKnight View Post

      Andre,

      If I were you I would save your money right this minute. Here's why.

      First, you stated you have 10 years experience in Im, but have not made any money. The first thing you need to do is to decide exactly what you want to accomplish.

      I will assume that you want to make money?? Correct me if this is wrong.

      .

      Everything you are saying is absolutely correct. I started internet marketing in 1999 with the intention of getting out of a job that I am trapped in. Everything that I learned in the years has been on that goal. So learning how to make sites, SEO, Traffic Tactics, etc... Has been out of a necessity.

      Even though I wasted thousands on different programs and fell for a lot of stuff and haven't made it rich doesn't mean I give up. Yes, I can build the hell out of websites, but they take work and I do it for myself and am not trying to be a web designer for others.

      And your example about MCDONALD's is good, but incorrect.

      Use this example...

      I am a fighter (internet marketer) since 1999 and I have learned different disciplines (different programs) over the years I wasted my money and time on styles that didn't work. So now I see that UFC (local marketing) is the place to be... Now, I wan't to find the best way for me to get in... I need a training team (program) that will help me get into the UFC...

      So, yes I know people are making money with this and it's wide open in my city and I would like to get into this instead of focusing on online marketing, which has not made me enough to quit my job. I will continue to work at my sites online and trying to make money online, but I would like to figure out how to make money offline and replace my job with that.

      So am I wrong for trying to jump into something that I know I can do?

      Mcdonalds is a great franchise to buy because they have a system. They sell their system to you for a franchise fee. If you spend money and invent your own restaurant without a proven system and some knowledge, high chance to fail, but investing in a great proven system and working it always works...

      I would like a proven system on offline marketing.

      I am sorry I should have rephrased my original question... Which program out the 6 I listed do you think is worth it, instead of putting myself personally in it... Now everyone wants to talk about me rather than the programs I listed

      Please, just talk about the programs and not me...
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      • Profile picture of the author ObsidianKnight
        Originally Posted by Andre Slater View Post

        Everything you are saying is absolutely correct. I started internet marketing in 1999 with the intention of getting out of a job that I am trapped in. Everything that I learned in the years has been on that goal. So learning how to make sites, SEO, Traffic Tactics, etc... Has been out of a necessity.


        Mcdonalds is a great franchise to buy because they have a system. They sell their system to you for a franchise fee. If you spend money and invent your own restaurant without a proven system and some knowledge, high chance to fail, but investing in a great proven system and working it always works...
        Ask anyone who has ever owned a MCD's (or a restaurant, which I have) and you will find out that simply buying a "proven system" does not and will never guarantee you success in that field.

        If you hate working at a MCD's then owning one won't help either.

        The point is that you have already bought systems. I once learned from someone I truly repsect in the industry, the following lesson:

        Systems don't fail, people fail to implement the system.

        If you want to "make money now" then you have to change the way in which you are doing things. This is a simple fact. If what you are doing now is not making money, then change what you are doing. But as I mentioned, you do not have to go right to the end result.

        Stepping stones. I was not implying to become a web designer, but in fact offer it as a "service" to gain immediate income and clients. Once you have both you can then push your preferred services and have income being generated.

        There are many marketers who offer all aspects of offline marketing, such as SEO, Link building, traffic etc, who also offer hosting services, web design, and literally dozens of other services.

        They get employees or they outsource. If you do not have the money yet to do so, then you have to start somewhere.

        In the past I looked into having sites done for me. Consider the following, High end web design firms can snag $5k of more for a new website. Go price the industry.

        I know of one company that charges $25k to rewrite existing sites using a "customer centric focus".

        They know that they are not "web-designers" at heart. But if they can get a client into their funnel by offering such a simple service, then all the better. Most people are not gonna shell out $25k to someone new. They want to see proof or a portfolia of what you have done. It is much easier to build small and work up, then it is to start at the top.

        Derek
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  • Profile picture of the author SubUrbanHype
    I personally will tell you none of those programs are worth it. You can learn 90% of it here for free on the Warrior Forum. And there are much better programs that some of the warriors here offer, and are WAYYYY cheaper. The most important part of any program they they cannont teach you is the getting of clients, thats where most people struggle (and sometimes quit), and is something you have to kind of learn yourself. Just go look for a couple WSO's and dedicate a weekend to reading and understanding, and you will probably get better outcomes, and save yourself a couple $100 bucks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
      Originally Posted by SubUrbanHype View Post

      I personally will tell you none of those programs are worth it. You can learn 90% of it here for free on the Warrior Forum. And there are much better programs that some of the warriors here offer, and are WAYYYY cheaper. The most important part of any program they they cannont teach you is the getting of clients, thats where most people struggle (and sometimes quit), and is something you have to kind of learn yourself. Just go look for a couple WSO's and dedicate a weekend to reading and understanding, and you will probably get better outcomes, and save yourself a couple $100 bucks.
      Great stuff, Thanks... What programs do you know in the warrior forum about local marketing that is great and cheap?

      Getting clients should be no problem. I am highly trained salesman for the last 10 years in the Automotive industry (PLEASE NO NEGATIVE COMMENTS ON ME BEING SALESMAN AND HOW WE CANT DO ANYTHING ELSE) I became a salesman because I wanted to get the knowledge so I could run a successful business and provide for my family... Yes as dumb as this sounds I would like to be wealthy...
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    • Profile picture of the author JimOrr
      Originally Posted by SubUrbanHype View Post

      The most important part of any program they they cannont teach you is the getting of clients...
      As you and everyone here has a right to post their opinion I must respectfully disagree with at least this part of your statement.

      Both Main Street Marketing Machines and Social Media Marketing Machines have a LOT of very detailed and extensive ongoing training in this area alone.

      Also OffLineBiz Gold membership and forum has a lot of material on this topic. Which by the way you get free when you join either MSMM or SMMM.
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  • Profile picture of the author SubUrbanHype
    There is a thread that John started that is free that is really good if you are able to follow it, which is geared toward what you said you are pretty good at (website designs). There are many others if you just look around on here.

    And the only reason I say that getting clients is one of the harder parts when you first start off is because of the learning curve, everybody learns their own way to go about getting clients. Some people like cold calling, others like posting ads, others like walking into businesses and demanding to talk to the owner, and etc. Since I just started out I can tell you that is the only part that is somewhat hard to master (most business owners don't want to talk to you or want to hire an in-house marketer).

    My advice is just spend the weekend, reading through some of the old threads, and maybe pick up some good WSO's (Dexx offers a pretty good one in my opinion) and then on monday just get out and start cold calling, or whatever you plan on doing to get clients. If you have the money you can hire a telematketer to do the calls for you, and you focus on closing the deals and anything else. Setup a way or you to recieve payments, and get out there and market yourself.
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    • Profile picture of the author JimOrr
      Cold Calling!

      I just go to any small gatherings of business owners like Meetup groups or Chamber of Commerce gatherings and start talking to people. The most common question you get asked is, "So what do you do?" My response is usually something along the line of "I am an Internet Marketing Business Consultant, I help businesses get more customers by increasing their presence on the Internet." Let nature take its course from there.

      If you find a group that appears to have a lot of prospects hook up with the organizer and ask if he would be interested in having you do a information packed 15 to 30 minute presentation to the group on Internet Marketing for their business. Never been turned down.

      MSMM and SMMM even supplies the presentation if you are unable to come up with something on your own.

      Better leave the rest of your afternoon open if you do this because what generally ends up happening is every business owner in the room wants to talk to you afterwords. At the very least they hand you a business card, or ask for yours, asking that you call them later.

      I myself am the self proclaimed worst salesmen in the world. Yet I am at a point now where I turn down more clients then I accept.

      Details and more specifics on this strategy and many more can be found in any of the three programs I mentioned.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel LaRusso
        Originally Posted by JimOrr View Post

        Cold Calling!

        I just go to any small gatherings of business owners like Meetup groups or Chamber of Commerce gatherings and start talking to people. The most common question you get asked is, "So what do you do?" My response is usually something along the line of "I am an Internet Marketing Business Consultant, I help businesses get more customers by increasing their presence on the Internet." Let nature take its course from there.

        If you find a group that appears to have a lot of prospects hook up with the organizer and ask if he would be interested in having you do a information packed 15 to 30 minute presentation to the group on Internet Marketing for their business. Never been turned down.

        MSMM and SMMM even supplies the presentation if you are unable to come up with something on your own.

        Better leave the rest of your afternoon open if you do this because what generally ends up happening is every business owner in the room wants to talk to you afterwords. At the very least they hand you a business card, or ask for yours, asking that you call them later.

        I myself am the self proclaimed worst salesmen in the world. Yet I am at a point now where I turn down more clients then I accept.

        Details and more specifics on this strategy and many more can be found in any of the three programs I mentioned.
        What are your typical monthly earnings from doing this? How many clients per month do you like to take on, or take on per month - average?

        I'm still on the fence trying to decide if I should take the blind leap of faith to get this $3000 program or not, and would appreciate any insight.
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        • Profile picture of the author JimOrr
          Originally Posted by Daniel LaRusso View Post

          What are your typical monthly earnings from doing this? How many clients per month do you like to take on, or take on per month - average?

          I'm still on the fence trying to decide if I should take the blind leap of faith to get this $3000 program or not, and would appreciate any insight.
          Please keep in mind that SMMM is a brand new product. Even for me. I can certainly speak to the income doing offline marketing has brought in for me if that is part of your concern but since SMMM is a brand new product there is no way for me or anyone else to tell you factually how much income you can make from this product. However I will say it has my heart racing and up to this point I totally suck at Social Media.

          I can however give you this. At the complete risk of sounding like a sales pitch I would like to post here if I may two comments that came into our support desk yesterday. This is no BS. These are straight copy and paste, no editing at all from our support desk and came in with no solicitation by us. I would be happy to post any negative tickets on this also if we had any.

          "Thought I'd let you know I've been going through Tweet
          Geyser training, and in the 20 minutes I've been following
          the training video to fill out a campaign, my client's
          account went from following 26 people to follow 410! This
          baby just increased my ability to reach out to other
          Tweeters from turtle's pace to lightening speed! Awesome!!!"
          -----

          "For my first Anchor Creative campaign, one hour into my
          campaign offering free reports for follows, Tweet Geyser has
          bumped people I'm following in a particular niche to 100
          people - from 0 -- and 22 of them have followed me back.
          Interesting stats - only a few minutes into this campaign
          and the giveaways follows are pulling 22% response. For my
          client's test campaign w/out free gifts - it's running 1% to
          9% depending on the audience. LOVE THIS!"

          FYI - Tweet Geyser is just one single tool inside SMMM.
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          • Profile picture of the author ivanski
            Originally Posted by JimOrr View Post

            Please keep in mind that SMMM is a brand new product. Even for me. I can certainly speak to the income doing offline marketing has brought in for me if that is part of your concern but since SMMM is a brand new product there is no way for me or anyone else to tell you factually how much income you can make from this product. However I will say it has my heart racing and up to this point I totally suck at Social Media.

            I can however give you this. At the complete risk of sounding like a sales pitch I would like to post here if I may two comments that came into our support desk yesterday. This is no BS. These are straight copy and paste, no editing at all from our support desk and came in with no solicitation by us. I would be happy to post any negative tickets on this also if we had any.

            "Thought I'd let you know I've been going through Tweet
            Geyser training, and in the 20 minutes I've been following
            the training video to fill out a campaign, my client's
            account went from following 26 people to follow 410! This
            baby just increased my ability to reach out to other
            Tweeters from turtle's pace to lightening speed! Awesome!!!"
            -----

            "For my first Anchor Creative campaign, one hour into my
            campaign offering free reports for follows, Tweet Geyser has
            bumped people I'm following in a particular niche to 100
            people - from 0 -- and 22 of them have followed me back.
            Interesting stats - only a few minutes into this campaign
            and the giveaways follows are pulling 22% response. For my
            client's test campaign w/out free gifts - it's running 1% to
            9% depending on the audience. LOVE THIS!"

            FYI - Tweet Geyser is just one single tool inside SMMM.
            Hi,

            I do not want to damper your bubble at all.

            I just want to give you some feedback. I was on Social Media Marketing Machines, and I must be stupid, but I have done about 30 other social media programs from other guru's and have been following Mike for some time, and personally his latest SMMM let me down.

            1. Training was crap. Mike is a champ and the training is pathetic.
            2. Programs are way to basic.
            3. I had $0 Value for signing up. It looked very confusing. All over the place, and the blueprint, is no blueprint at all.
            4. Worse he releases the program in dribs and drabs over 3 months.. This is BS. I want it all NOW.

            Personally I like Mike but think this will let many others down as it has me.

            Please feel free to reply. I think if Mike listens to feedback like this, his next program will be awesome.

            With love.
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            • Profile picture of the author ivanski
              Ok,

              What would I recommend... (sorry for the damperer on the last 2 posts above)...

              Of all the Social Media Courses I've done, and I've done almost all.

              I would recommend,

              1. Ryan Diess - Perry Belcher - Social Media Money System or Winning At Social Media
              2. ImmediateEDGE.com (Brilliant with tones of info)

              Personally I think these are great. There may be better, but I have not come across them yet.

              Hope this helps.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nathi Fakudze
        Originally Posted by JimOrr View Post

        Cold Calling!

        I just go to any small gatherings of business owners like Meetup groups or Chamber of Commerce gatherings and start talking to people. The most common question you get asked is, "So what do you do?" My response is usually something along the line of "I am an Internet Marketing Business Consultant, I help businesses get more customers by increasing their presence on the Internet." Let nature take its course from there.

        If you find a group that appears to have a lot of prospects hook up with the organizer and ask if he would be interested in having you do a information packed 15 to 30 minute presentation to the group on Internet Marketing for their business. Never been turned down.

        MSMM and SMMM even supplies the presentation if you are unable to come up with something on your own.

        Better leave the rest of your afternoon open if you do this because what generally ends up happening is every business owner in the room wants to talk to you afterwords. At the very least they hand you a business card, or ask for yours, asking that you call them later.

        I myself am the self proclaimed worst salesmen in the world. Yet I am at a point now where I turn down more clients then I accept.

        Details and more specifics on this strategy and many more can be found in any of the three programs I mentioned.

        Hey JimOrr

        You avatar looks familiar
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    • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
      Originally Posted by SubUrbanHype View Post

      There is a thread that John started that is free that is really good if you are able to follow it, which is geared toward what you said you are pretty good at (website designs). There are many others if you just look around on here.

      And the only reason I say that getting clients is one of the harder parts when you first start off is because of the learning curve, everybody learns their own way to go about getting clients. Some people like cold calling, others like posting ads, others like walking into businesses and demanding to talk to the owner, and etc. Since I just started out I can tell you that is the only part that is somewhat hard to master (most business owners don't want to talk to you or want to hire an in-house marketer).

      My advice is just spend the weekend, reading through some of the old threads, and maybe pick up some good WSO's (Dexx offers a pretty good one in my opinion) and then on monday just get out and start cold calling, or whatever you plan on doing to get clients. If you have the money you can hire a telematketer to do the calls for you, and you focus on closing the deals and anything else. Setup a way or you to recieve payments, and get out there and market yourself.

      Just from all the videos and webinars that I have listened to on local marketing. I found that they don't approach businesses with the "I can help you with your online marketing angle" What I am seeing and reading is that they approach them with "Let me show you all the business your missing online and the customers you could have" they show them exactly what they can be getting and then business owners don't know how and they want to pay.

      I also think web design is dead in some ways... Yes, there are people who are building websites for clients and have online portfolios...

      The issue with that is that it takes time to build sites right... Plus, people nowaday's can build sites pretty easy. So I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong) that you can build sites for others and make a lot of money in the offline world.

      Local Business Money Machines talks about building sites and ranking them using push button software for local businesses without them knowing about it and pitching it to them. Like your a plumber for instance - I build a site called miamiplumbers.com and rank it and then offer to you the plumber... They you buy it and if they don't pay the monthly fee then I snatch and sell to another plumber... Something like that

      I think Local Business Money Machines in theory can work, but haven't heard anyone killing it yet.
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      • Profile picture of the author SubUrbanHype
        Originally Posted by Andre Slater View Post

        Local Business Money Machines talks about building sites and ranking them using push button software for local businesses without them knowing about it and pitching it to them. Like your a plumber for instance - I build a site called miamiplumbers.com and rank it and then offer to you the plumber... They you buy it and if they don't pay the monthly fee then I snatch and sell to another plumber... Something like that

        I think Local Business Money Machines in theory can work, but haven't heard anyone killing it yet.
        The only thing I am saying is that you can do that all by yourself without dropping $1000+ dollars on a program, and spend that money on growing your business. Build a site for X type of business, getting it ranked, pitch it to a bunch of those type of businesses, lease/rent it to them for $X a month, repeat. I don't know about that push button auto ranking thing, that may be something worth it, but the idea itself is simple enough to do, and save you some money.
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        • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
          Originally Posted by SubUrbanHype View Post

          The only thing I am saying is that you can do that all by yourself without dropping $1000+ dollars on a program, and spend that money on growing your business. Build a site for X type of business, getting it ranked, pitch it to a bunch of those type of businesses, lease/rent it to them for a month, repeat. I don't know about that push button auto ranking thing, that may be something worth it, but the idea itself is simple enough to do, and save you some money.
          You are absolutely right!!! You can save money and do it yourself. Just like if your car engine blows up, realistically you can buy a replacement engine and install it yourself and save money vs taking to a mechanic.

          The mechanic on the other hand has the tools and knowledge so you pay for him to do it instead. I am not saying that the idea is not easy - it is! but getting it working without knowledge is the hard part.

          So do you think that all the programs I listed above are crap and don't work and better to make it up yourself? or do you know if there are any local business marketers that offer a current program that can help people create a legitimate business in this field.
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          • Profile picture of the author akazo
            Originally Posted by Andre Slater View Post

            You are absolutely right!!! You can save money and do it yourself. Just like if your car engine blows up, realistically you can buy a replacement engine and install it yourself and save money vs taking to a mechanic.

            The mechanic on the other hand has the tools and knowledge so you pay for him to do it instead. I am not saying that the idea is not easy - it is! but getting it working without knowledge is the hard part.

            So do you think that all the programs I listed above are crap and don't work and better to make it up yourself? or do you know if there are any local business marketers that offer a current program that can help people create a legitimate business in this field.
            But what if you took it to someone who wrote a book on how he is the greatest mechanic in the world and you find out it is all hype?

            If you are sincere in your question, read everything you can from this forum before buying a program.
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            • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
              Originally Posted by akazo View Post

              But what if you took it to someone who wrote a book on how he is the greatest mechanic in the world and you find out it is all hype?

              If you are sincere in your question, read everything you can from this forum before buying a program.
              Yep, There will be good mechanics and bad mechanics... That is the same here there are good programs (real) and bad programs (hype)... Thats why I started this thread. That is why I found warrior forum, and that's why I am researching before I buy anything impulsively...

              Do you know that Warrior Forum is the only thing online that I found that is not trying to sell something and that you can get a real unbiased opinion?

              Say I was interested in Social Media Marketing Machines and I did a google search on Social Media Marketing Machines Review... 99.7% of them will just be affiliates trying to sell it to you, no honest opinions, all because of the review sites era...

              Thats why I am in heaven reading through wf... Thanks everybody
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve Solem
            Originally Posted by Andre Slater View Post

            You are absolutely right!!! You can save money and do it yourself. Just like if your car engine blows up, realistically you can buy a replacement engine and install it yourself and save money vs taking to a mechanic.

            The mechanic on the other hand has the tools and knowledge so you pay for him to do it instead. I am not saying that the idea is not easy - it is! but getting it working without knowledge is the hard part.

            So do you think that all the programs I listed above are crap and don't work and better to make it up yourself? or do you know if there are any local business marketers that offer a current program that can help people create a legitimate business in this field.
            Andre - all valid points - as taking 8 hours to change my own trans fluid and filter last year was something I'll never repeat again - but there's nothing wrong with starting out doing the easy things yourself until you can either buy more expensive tools or pay someone else to do things for you.

            If you have the budget and can afford this SMMM system and it looks like the solution for you then go for it - but if it's out of your price range, you'll find some great programs in the WSO section for $20 -$40 that'll get you started until you can afford the pricier programs.

            I recently started a review thread about Mobile Local Fusion as it looks like it packs a lot of info into a reasonably priced course, but can't say I've read anything yet that's convinced me I need it. I do have 2 Facebook WSOs from David Cisneros that are great if you want to get started developing fan pages for folks in FB, and just recently grabbed the Local Flip Formula 2 about developing local websites to either sell or rent to local businesses.

            Have you looked in the reviews and ratings forum here yet? Do a search and you might find the answers to some of your questions, but some of these programs are so new there's not much unbiased info about them around.

            Cheers,

            Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author SubUrbanHype
    Don't take advice from a guy who is obviously trying to get you to buy the program that he is affiliated with.
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    • Profile picture of the author JimOrr
      Originally Posted by SubUrbanHype View Post

      Don't take advice from a guy who is obviously trying to get you to buy the program that he is affiliated with.
      I am not trying to get anyone to buy anything. Nor am I disputing the fact that I do have strong ties to both Traffic Geyser and OffLineBiz. Anyone that knows anything about either of these programs knows who I am and knows that I practice what I preach.

      No where in my comments did I say go buy anything. I was just making a personal observation and comment on one part of your statement and that is that no program teaches you how to get clients. That is just simply not correct. Everything I know about getting clients came these programs.

      I am not disputing what you say that you could pick up most of what you need to know in this forum. Not everything but probably enough to be successful. If that is the route any one wants to take then absolutely go for it.

      The examples I posted were of things that I have done myself independently of Traffic Geyser or OffLineBiz. They were however drawn from techniques that I learned being associated with both. Telling a business owner that I am with Traffic Geyser would mean absolutely ZIP to them.

      Have I ever tried cold calling or hiring a telemarketing service to find clients? No I fully confess I have not. However cold calling just sounds like a lot of work and rejection and hiring a telemarketing service just sounds expensive and unnecessary. However if that works for you then do it.

      I like clients coming to me with little effort or expense on my part. BUT again that is just me.

      If you do like cold calling I know there is some great ideas in OffLineBiz about how to do that more effectively. Just not my comfort zone is all I am saying.
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  • Profile picture of the author alanborcic
    I would recommend Internet Street Fighters by Robert Stanley, great program
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    • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
      Originally Posted by alanborcic View Post

      I would recommend Internet Street Fighters by Robert Stanley, great program
      I don't know about that one. I went to it and it said closed to leave my email... Kinda hypee. I have alway hated when program creators say if you don't buy this program now I am gonna take it down... They know they don't want to take it down. They only do it if they absolutely have to because they don't want to look like a liar.
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      I decided to peak at Interne Street fighters its closed not accepting aymre people
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    • Profile picture of the author PaulintheSticks
      Originally Posted by alanborcic View Post

      I would recommend Internet Street Fighters by Robert Stanley, great program
      Sorry, but I don't recommend this program.
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      • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
        I've probably been involved in helping more people make a full time living in this niche than anyone else.

        When people talk about the "Offline Gold" niche they are actually making an oblique reference to the first report I wrote in the niche called Offline Gold For Online Marketers.

        In a similar way when they talk about the Offline Biz they're also making an oblique reference to OfflineBiz.com

        This experience in teaching a wide range of people with different backgrounds and skill sets from different areas does change your view of what is and what is not likely to work.

        It also helps you realize that more than anything it's a business of opportunity...when you find something that works for you you should run with it.


        I'm going to be honest and tell you something no one else here will tell you.

        You don't need a course or program or product to get started.

        In fact in many ways you'd be better off if you didn't use one to begin with.

        Just do this:

        # Talk to every business owner you know.

        # Talk to the owners of businesses where you spend your money.

        # Talk to the business owners your friends and family know.

        # Ask every business owner you talk to who they know.

        # Go to business networking meetings and any other events and groups where business owners congregate.


        Now what are you going to talk about?

        Here's the best part...you don't need to sell ANYTHING when you're starting out.

        Just ask questions and listen.

        Ask questions about them, their business their family, which of their products sell best, which products bring in the best net profits, what's important to them, where they're getting their customers from now, if they're following up with prospects and customers etc etc.

        Just be friendly, listen and gather information and make sure you get the contact details of everyone you talk to.

        From there what you do will depend on your skills and experience.

        If you have some internet marketing skills you might suggest ideas based on the information you've gathered until you hit on one the business owner gets excited with and run with that.

        If you don't have any skills you might come back to a forum like this or offlinebiz.com and ask for ideas with the explanation that you also want to hire the person who comes up with the idea the business owner likes to actually implement it.


        That's it.

        That's a full business model you can get started on TODAY to bring in an income for you.

        It's simple, it doesn't require PLR, spreadsheets, tools or anything else.

        Ultimately your success in this business is going to depend on how well you build relationships with business owners so the sooner you learn the skills of doing that the sooner you can be making some serious income.

        Once you're making some money then you might consider some other tools and methods but don't let any of that get in the way of taking some action right NOW.

        Kindest regards,
        Andrew Cavanagh
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        • Profile picture of the author EnlightenMind
          Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post


          I'm going to be honest and tell you something no one else here will tell you.

          You don't need a course or program or product to get started.

          In fact in many ways you'd be better off if you didn't use one to begin with.


          Ultimately your success in this business is going to depend on how well you build relationships with business owners so the sooner you learn the skills of doing that the sooner you can be making some serious income.

          Once you're making some money then you might consider some other tools and methods but don't let any of that get in the way of taking some action right NOW.

          Kindest regards,
          Andrew Cavanagh
          Yes, it's true that you don't any course to get started but it sure does help a lot if you want to get a head start, and get things rolling fast. The best investment that you can make on your business is to educate yourself as fast as you can, take action and implement as much as you can and not try to reinvent the wheel on every step of the way.

          In fact, being "penny wise but pound foolish" is not the mindset of a real businessman. A good business person would exercise good judgment and differentiate what is worthy of his time and investment and what's not.


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          • Profile picture of the author PaulintheSticks
            Originally Posted by EnlightenMind View Post

            Yes, it's true that you don't any course to get started but it sure does help a lot if you want to get a head start, and get things rolling fast. The best investment that you can make on your business is to educate yourself as fast as you can, take action and implement as much as you can and not try to reinvent the wheel on every step of the way.

            In fact, being "penny wise but pound foolish" is not the mindset of a real businessman. A good business person would exercise good judgment and differentiate what is worthy of his time and investment and what's not.
            Milton
            Milton, I can't agree with you more. You can spend countless hours trying to figure out how to build a basic website on your own or you can buy a video course for $17 or whatever that shows you how to do it in a couple hours.

            The key is finding good value. Early on, I bought a "program" for $1k that shows how to build directory sites and sell listings. Then I found a program for $27 that was similar and I felt was a better approach and was pretty much turn-key.
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        • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
          Andrew,

          I believe you have just laid out Andre's course of action. If he'll sell what he knows, he won't need any course or program. Asking biz owners questions and listening to their answers is the fastest way to know what in the hell they will pay for. This principle has been sold by far too many on the Internet already all the while being free and for the taking.

          I appreciated your candidness as really it works if he'll work it.

          Just my 2¢.

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  • Profile picture of the author cobra tatham
    You can always start with something simple like doing Google Places for businesses. There are many programs that will work but you have to also put the time in to get the results. No system will do everything for you....
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  • Profile picture of the author Bronwyn and Keith
    Hi Andre

    The best one for you is.... the one that makes you money!

    Use your existing skill-set and marry it to the product that most closely fits in with what you already know.

    Then get out and get amongst it.

    Success will come.

    Regards

    Bronwyn and Keith

    Originally Posted by Andre Slater View Post

    I am very stuck. I am between six programs. I usually go here to see honest reviews, but they all have been pretty good. I would love to dominate my local area and I need the very best program... Which do you think will be the best for me. I have 10 years experience in internet marketing, but haven't really made any money. I am fluid with building sites and getting good ad advertising.

    Here are the products:

    1. Let's get social
    2. One paper cash system
    3. Social Media Marketing Machines
    4. Google places unleashed (gplacesunleashed.com)
    5. Local Business Money Machine
    6. Mobile Local Fusion

    I want to pick the best one. Leave your suggestions
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  • Profile picture of the author GregK610
    Andre,
    I just purchased Local Mobile Fusion and it is jam packed with information. I am not an affiliate marketer,yet, just someone trying to get my feet into the business. And my budget is not large, so I am very careful with what I do purchase, and for once, the hype behind this one is feature rich with content. I don't know about the others, but for the $97, one time, purchase this is well worth it. Laura does a great job, and with a few tweaks to presentation and such, this package could well be worth a $500+ price tag without a doubt. And she does nearly hand you a franchise in a box.

    Oh, and there was an upsell for Let's Get Social, but I didn't take it. I heard Kate Buck on a Black Friday event, and if that was just a smidgen of what is in that package, it's great. For that event alone, I have pages of gold nuggets.

    I would love to really hear what others think about the other packages.

    Greg Knight
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    • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
      Originally Posted by GregK610 View Post

      Andre,
      I just purchased Local Mobile Fusion and it is jam packed with information. I am not an affiliate marketer,yet, just someone trying to get my feet into the business. And my budget is not large, so I am very careful with what I do purchase, and for once, the hype behind this one is feature rich with content. I don't know about the others, but for the $97, one time, purchase this is well worth it. Laura does a great job, and with a few tweaks to presentation and such, this package could well be worth a $500+ price tag without a doubt. And she does nearly hand you a franchise in a box.

      Oh, and there was an upsell for Let's Get Social, but I didn't take it. I heard Kate Buck on a Black Friday event, and if that was just a smidgen of what is in that package, it's great. For that event alone, I have pages of gold nuggets.

      I would love to really hear what others think about the other packages.

      Greg Knight
      How many upsells and how much did they cost?
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      • Profile picture of the author ivanski
        I was just on it, and went of within 3 days.

        I have invested a lot of money in the past with trainings and would say that SMMM is the biggest scam. For what you get.

        The Money Magnets are much better than the actual training.

        eg. The Blueprint for Social Media, was BS. It was a blueprint in motivation and finding your big WHY!!!! ... Why I did ask!!! Answer I did not find.

        Mike is GREAT and I love the guy's past work. I have been following him and Eben pagan, and Ryan Deiss, Frank Kern, Anthony Robbins, etc.... and have been let down.

        His promise of a complete Social Media Blueprint for you to make 6 figures of whatever, but inside is small bits of info that I think,.. So what.. And not any pice of info that looks great.

        Also the Engines/Programs that he has are very BASIC, limited and I'm sure I've seen equivalent for either free of minimal monthly fees, which are much more powerful.

        Maybe this is just me having a winge, or just the way I learn, but I can tell you that I was SUPER EAGER to get Social Media Marketing Machines, and now I am looking elsewhere.

        Ryan Deiss's work is far better.

        over and out.
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        • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
          Originally Posted by ivanski View Post

          I was just on it, and went of within 3 days.

          I have invested a lot of money in the past with trainings and would say that SMMM is the biggest scam. For what you get.

          The Money Magnets are much better than the actual training.

          eg. The Blueprint for Social Media, was BS. It was a blueprint in motivation and finding your big WHY!!!! ... Why I did ask!!! Answer I did not find.

          Mike is GREAT and I love the guy's past work. I have been following him and Eben pagan, and Ryan Deiss, Frank Kern, Anthony Robbins, etc.... and have been let down.

          His promise of a complete Social Media Blueprint for you to make 6 figures of whatever, but inside is small bits of info that I think,.. So what.. And not any pice of info that looks great.

          Also the Engines/Programs that he has are very BASIC, limited and I'm sure I've seen equivalent for either free of minimal monthly fees, which are much more powerful.

          Maybe this is just me having a winge, or just the way I learn, but I can tell you that I was SUPER EAGER to get Social Media Marketing Machines, and now I am looking elsewhere.

          Ryan Deiss's work is far better.

          over and out.
          Thanks man, Yeah I was very hype on it too. It's the price and his videos that get me. I feel like he talks so well, that I could learn a lot and with the price tag made me feel like it was complete. I am thinking that I would have to buy a lot of smaller programs to get the total package of SMMM.

          Right now I am waiting. Trying to be patient. I tell you I am glad to find this forum and I didn't realize they had products that are cheaper here.
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    • Profile picture of the author chazlcom
      Originally Posted by GregK610 View Post

      Andre,
      I just purchased Local Mobile Fusion and it is jam packed with information. I am not an affiliate marketer,yet, just someone trying to get my feet into the business. And my budget is not large, so I am very careful with what I do purchase, and for once, the hype behind this one is feature rich with content. I don't know about the others, but for the $97, one time, purchase this is well worth it. Laura does a great job, and with a few tweaks to presentation and such, this package could well be worth a $500+ price tag without a doubt. And she does nearly hand you a franchise in a box.

      I would love to really hear what others think about the other packages.

      Greg Knight
      Like MLF so far. One area I would like to see added is .tel domains. Every business needs one. They are mobile phone friendly, give you all the info about any business that they want to share, is stored right in the DNS, and gets indexed by Google extremely fast.

      I now use CharlesLamm.tel as a business card. Look and see if it is something you might like. Then go to a domain registrar and buy one for about $10 - $20 a year.
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  • Profile picture of the author StephanieMojica
    If you can, wait to buy products until the day after Christmas. I suspect tons of them will go on sale just like they did on Black Friday...good luck!

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  • Profile picture of the author EnlightenMind
    Andre,

    Here are two things that got me into action and buy Mobile Local Fusion.

    Before I got MLF, I received a $150 check from a nail salon using Google Places Pretty much covered the $97 for the course.

    MLF has a triple guarantee. After reviewing most of the videos, I'm happy with my purchase. I'm looking forward to implementing everything and start securing more clients


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  • Profile picture of the author Elmar
    I bought Lets Get Social, I do not recommend it, as a matter of fact I think its horrible and one of the worst Ryan Deiss programs. I love the guy and most of his stuff is top notch , but Lets get Social is justa JV taught by someone else, with no teaching/presentation skills.
    Good Luck
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  • Profile picture of the author eselick
    Hi

    I bought Google Places Unleashed a couple of weeks ago and for the price it is a great package for learning about local marketing and Google Places in particular. It's very new which is important since Google keeps changing the way the 7 and 10 pack local listings are displayed. There is a ton of information on how to optimize a Place Page and many marketing tips and monetization strategies.

    There are also many bonuses including basic information on using WordPress, Web site SEO and many other areas. For the price it's a great buy.

    Hope this helps and I am just a newbie and not an affiliate for the package

    Bye

    Elliot
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  • Profile picture of the author Mario Brown
    Originally Posted by Andre Slater View Post

    I am very stuck. I am between six programs. I usually go here to see honest reviews, but they all have been pretty good. I would love to dominate my local area and I need the very best program... Which do you think will be the best for me. I have 10 years experience in internet marketing, but haven't really made any money. I am fluid with building sites and getting good ad advertising.

    Here are the products:

    1. Let's get social
    2. One paper cash system
    3. Social Media Marketing Machines
    4. Google places unleashed (gplacesunleashed.com)
    5. Local Business Money Machine
    6. Mobile Local Fusion

    I want to pick the best one. Leave your suggestions
    Disclaimer: I'm the creator of Google Places Unleashed.

    Hey Andre,

    Out of this list, I have only checked Local Business Money Machine and it's a great course, a bit pricey tough. I friend of mine that I trust recommended a course to me called 'Offline Marketing Blueprint', I have only heard good things about it and that it's very inexpensive.

    I also have to agree with others, you can find some great courses here on the forum, just make a search, click on advanced search, select the WSO forum, type 'offline' into the search box (title only) and you'll see all the threads.

    I'd invest an hour and check the ones that have a lot of great feedback.

    All the best,
    Mario
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  • Profile picture of the author JimOrr
    Well Said Andrew!
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  • Profile picture of the author chazlcom
    I just started on Mobile Local Fusion. Went through the videos. I had created a site to do this work about two weeks ago. If I had bought this earlier, I would have saved some site building time.

    The videos are quite good - info without too much fluff and puff. No weird income claims.

    Areas where MLF is strong:

    - SMS marketing
    - mobile coupons
    - QR codes

    but especially:

    FINDING LOCAL BUSINESS CUSTOMERS

    Like you, the tech side is easy. Where are those hungry customers?

    I would recommend giving it a look. The guarantees make it a no-brainer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brandon Ellis
    Yea Andrew brought out some great points as well as several others. You have what you need and are probably in a state of overwhelm. Pick one form of classic marketing in it's most simple form and go with it. Focus on that one thing and worry about the other stuff down the road.

    I have sold quite a few sites in the last two weeks and made thousands plus recurring because I found a simple system and took action. It involved one technique and just implementing that one thing.

    No fancy product needed for that. Just take ACTION man.

    "A little knowledge that acts is worth infinitely
    more than much knowledge that is idle."
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  • Profile picture of the author EnlightenMind
    Just as a courtesy note, Ryan has re-opened Mobile Local Fusion for 24 hours on Jan. 4th due to some duplicate orders and declines. If you missed it, then get it now within this period. Here is the actual guarantee.


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  • Profile picture of the author Creativegirl
    You have a lot of good advice here from other members. Two years ago Local Business Money Machine was very timely and good, though pricey. It filled in a lot of gaps with great resources. Since jumping into IM last April I've purchased a number of WSO and programs. Some worthy and some crap. One of the best, most valuable ones I bought was $5. I've looked at Let's Get Social but I'm not sold on it yet. Doesn't look like it's taken off like they hoped.

    Setting goals and knowing clearly what you want to do is your first step. Once you nail that you can find tons of free information from membership sites, blogs and youtube and keep you eyes open for WSOs that target what you're doing. Be careful about getting into too many programs because they will have some differences which can throw you off. Take a system and work it before moving on to another. That was my mistake early on, information overload.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author LiquidSeo
    Originally Posted by Andre Slater View Post

    I am very stuck. I am between six programs. I usually go here to see honest reviews, but they all have been pretty good. I would love to dominate my local area and I need the very best program... Which do you think will be the best for me. I have 10 years experience in internet marketing, but haven't really made any money. I am fluid with building sites and getting good ad advertising.

    Here are the products:

    1. Let's get social
    2. One paper cash system
    3. Social Media Marketing Machines
    4. Google places unleashed (gplacesunleashed.com)
    5. Local Business Money Machine
    6. Mobile Local Fusion

    I want to pick the best one. Leave your suggestions
    Hi Andre,

    You don't need a course. If you are serious about local marketing, I would recommend putting your own strategies together. Do this formally, on paper. Review it, look for gaps, then try to correct those.

    If you find you don't have experience with Google Places - check out those courses. If you find you are lacking mobile marketing know-how, learn how to augment your skills there.

    At the end of the day, you have to build a game plan and take action. Unfortunately there is no course that can help you do that.

    Brian
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  • Profile picture of the author goingup
    John Durham here on the warrior forum has a product for 27 dollars that includes a script-you give away sites and charge for the hosting as someone else states above, charging monthly at 25 dollars or thereabouts.
    Average 6 a day per person calling.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheMole
    Hi Andre
    I suppose that by now you have purchased MLF and found it to be great value for money. A little hap hazzardly assembled (like most programs in this age of "ready, fire, aim") but the ongoing webinars helps in clarifying most aspects that were a little hazy at first glance. And Laura keeps on adding to the program under pressure of her customers who keep requesting more stuff on the weekly webinar. The end result is a program that will be relaunched at a much higher price.

    Hope this helps...unlike the "you don't need any program everything you need is on this forum" BS!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tspringer
    Interesting reading.... would love to hear from folks who posted about these programs several months ago if they are making any money on the skills taught now.

    I strongly suspect I know the answer.

    Its funny really, the REAL key to making money on the internet is plastered all over this forum, everywhere, every day. Its also the core of each of the programs mentioned.

    Whats the key? Simple: Sell "How to get rich on the internet" to people who have read the 4HWW and other books and now dream of making it happen.

    Seriously, thats the market. Thats what 99% of WSO's target. Thats what all of the programs mentioned in this thread are selling.

    The people who put these programs together are not making money selling IM to offline businesses. The guys from offlinebiz.com are not making making money selling to offline businesses. They are all making money selling dreams to the "Get Rich on the Internet" market.

    The GROTI market is where the $$$$ is. If you want to make money, do what works. Package up a GROTI offering and push it hard.



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