NEWBIES: Stop The Excuses - THE TRUTH ABOUT OFFLINE MARKETING

You mean the way that I do and have been doing?

But you also criticized me for doing so, astounded that someone would turn have a detailed, open conversation about the topic. You didn't seem to be expressing much sentiment of appreciation or recognition of value then - rather, you did more of the same... taking multiple potty dumps in my topic.

Here you are crapping in someone else's topic.

You say that you want free information and conversation, but then when you get it, you criticize that as well, claiming that anyone who provides any depth of conversation is simply pre-selling with a sales pitch.

So which is it? I'm not real sure what it is that you really want, as you seem to be full of contradiction.

You want value and informative discussion, but then you complain when you get it.

And if you're trying to learn how to get people to buy YOUR stuff, whatever that "stuff" is, then why would you criticize other people who are, in your own words, "a smart way of getting people to buy their stuff"?

So what if they are using the discussion to sell something anyway? You're in a marketing forum, bitching about someone selling something. Pretty ironic actually.

University professors write papers and appear at academic conferences.

Industry professionals publish books and speak at tradeshow or seminar events.

You think they do all of that for the flipping fun of it?

There's an old story that tells the tale of an expert electrician who was called into the GE plant in an emergency to fix a problem that had stoppd the production line.

He walked over to some panel and drew an X on it, and then submitted an invoice for $10,000. The itemization was:

Marking an X on the right problem panel: $1
Knowing which panel: $9,999

People who are experts deserve to be paid money for their expertise.

Maybe if you quit complaining so much, paid attention a little more, and then applied what you learned to your own business, you might find some growth without even spending a dime.

And I'm not talking about paying attention to the "WHAT" that is being said so much as "HOW" it's being said.

I'm in the process of launching a FREE MEMBERSHIP SITE with lots of videos about this stuff. You've got to join a list and sign up to the site to get access to the stuff, but I'll constantly be sending more and more, so there's ongoing value.

You think I am going to just send people cool videos to help them with their business and then once in a while some cute pictures of my kids or something? I fully intend to market to that list, and everyone who signs up for it knows that I am going to do so over time. But because I build a reputation and a relationship with the group, they understand that I am front-loading with value... much in the same way that a tax consultant might give away a free seminar series teaching real information.

You're in the information business my friend - whether you realize it or not. And the best thing that you can do for yourself and your "offline" career is to learn how to package and sell information services - because a whole hell of a lot of people are doing the same thing you are, and unless you're bringing something of value to the table, you're another lemming in the Sea of Wannabe, soon destined for the next shiny thing to come along when you aren't cutting the mustard.

The old saying goes, "Salesmen who are afraid to sell have skinny kids."

no, he clearly had an issue with me as well when he started the same garbage in my topic "Get Bigger Deals" a couple weeks back, casting the same kind of attitude.

He want's discussion, but when he gets it, instead of actually engaging int he discussion, he starts accusing people of only carrying on the discussion for the purpose of selling something.

And so what if they are.

Is he not in control of his own wallet?

Or does he just assume that he's got some special stature, and that everyone around him should just educate him to his beckon and call for free because he doesn't want to spend any money on the skills that he intends to use to create an income?

Good luck with that.

Try carrying on a conversation with even non-internet marketing, marketing professionals like Jack Trout or Geoffrey Moore. They'll tell you to buy the book, come to the seminar, etc... You think they're going to have a conversation with you about their business just for the heck of it?

If I remember correctly, at one point, Jay Abraham wouldn't even take you on a consulting client if you hadn't purchased his entire suite of information products, because he didn't want to cover ground that had already been discussed in one of his products that were already available through Nightengale, et al.