offline mag compliment

by thedog
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Hi guys. I'm traveling around a bit, and have settled in a pretty touristy town in Asia. I was here 6 months ago, and there seems to be allot more money being pumped into the place.

There's lots of hotels, bars, restaurants etc.. and of course, many of them have terrible sites, what's new.

I did a quick keyword/competition search, and there's no site, well not featuring well on google, highlighting the area's attractions.

Seeing as I'll be here for a while, it would be a nice project, I can create a website no problem, but I think the real money is in a hard copy magazine, you know the ones, full of things to do, and lots of ads.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to go about producing one of these magazines? I mean, as far as numbers go, is there some sort of equation as to how much you charge for advertising? Number of magazines in circulation, tourist numbers?

Just looking for any feedback on this.... has anyone gone down this road before?

Cheers.
#compliment #mag #offline
  • Profile picture of the author 1960Texan
    Your best bet is to find a local printer and negotiate a good rate. I ran an offline mag here in the U.S. several years ago and used printpelican.com, but I doubt their reach extends to Asia. Here are the steps I used to determine advertising rates:

    1. How many pages will the magazine be and how many copies do I want to distribute? This determines printing costs.
    2. How many ads do I want to place in the magazine?
    3. How much do I want to earn? This determines the per ad cost.
    I distributed the magazines for free. In your case you'd want to place free copies in hotels, restaurants, bars, cafes, souvenir shops, etc.

    It's more expensive to produce a color, glossy magazine than it is black and white, but if you're also looking to get some web design business from your potential advertisers it could be worth the added expense to go color/glossy.

    It's possible to line up your advertisers and distribution before spending a dime on printing the mag, that way you could do it without being out of pocket for more than your daily expenses. If your mag has articles and photos of the area you also have an opportunity to start an online mag promoting the area to tourists.

    This could be a one-off endeavor for you or it could be a career, it just depends on your interest.

    Will
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    • Profile picture of the author thedog
      Excellent advice, thanks.

      Ye, I imagine printing is pretty cheap here, I was quoted around $7 for 200 business cards in a much larger city. I'm a designer, so can design it no problem, so my only real costs are the printing costs. I think glossy is defininaly the way to go. There's not much in the way of tourist info here, most people will use the lonely planet, but that would only have a page or 2 or info.

      I don't think I'd like to line up advertisers before hand, reason, new, viable businesses are quickly cloned here... I've seen it happen, I think it's best to keep my cards close to my chest... maybe identify businesses which "fit" and give a few of them a free, one off, ad.... maybe score a few beers or a meal

      It could fly, it could not... but I reckon it should be cheap enough to get one issue out....

      One more thing, how can you tell if a magazine is successful? not like you can track hits....

      Originally Posted by 1960Texan View Post

      Your best bet is to find a local printer and negotiate a good rate. I ran an offline mag here in the U.S. several years ago and used printpelican.com, but I doubt their reach extends to Asia. Here are the steps I used to determine advertising rates:

      1. How many pages will the magazine be and how many copies do I want to distribute? This determines printing costs.
      2. How many ads do I want to place in the magazine?
      3. How much do I want to earn? This determines the per ad cost.
      I distributed the magazines for free. In your case you'd want to place free copies in hotels, restaurants, bars, cafes, souvenir shops, etc.

      It's more expensive to produce a color, glossy magazine than it is black and white, but if you're also looking to get some web design business from your potential advertisers it could be worth the added expense to go color/glossy.

      It's possible to line up your advertisers and distribution before spending a dime on printing the mag, that way you could do it without being out of pocket for more than your daily expenses. If your mag has articles and photos of the area you also have an opportunity to start an online mag promoting the area to tourists.

      This could be a one-off endeavor for you or it could be a career, it just depends on your interest.

      Will
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      • Profile picture of the author 1960Texan
        Originally Posted by thedog View Post

        One more thing, how can you tell if a magazine is successful? not like you can track hits....
        I had a different model than what you're considering, in that I pre-sold the advertising in order to get the magazine off the ground. No advertisers, no magazine. In my case the biggest indicator that the magazine was a hit was the number of coupons and "mention this ad to get x% off" or "mention this ad to get a free x" adverts. Basically, my advertisers told me if it was a hit or not.

        Will
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  • Profile picture of the author Creativegirl
    Excellent idea and the advertising 'could' be very profitable.

    To do it right you need to plan it out with regard to ad sales, content (editorial and volume of ads), design, printing and distribution.

    Before you can create your ad specs and rates you must know your hard costs and always get different estimates including for different page counts and runs so you can have some flexibility in the event you want to do more pages or more ads.

    Rule of thumb on ad rates:
    Cover - #1 premium and highest rate
    Centerfold - 2rd
    Back cover - 3nd unless you give wrap around
    Inside Front Cover - 4th
    Inside back cover - 5th
    first right page (opposite inside front cover) - 6th
    opposite inside back cover - 7th

    full page
    1/2 page
    1/4 page
    any other breakdowns like 1/8 page

    for standard pages (non-premiums) the full page is less than any other page combo (meaning the more ads you place on a page the higher the ad revenue for the page)

    Example:
    fp = $1,000
    hp = $600 (2 x = $1,200 per page)
    1/4 = $350 (4 x = $1,400 per page)
    1/8 = $200 (8 x = $1,600 per page)

    And you NEED a contract, signed by every advertiser.

    Good luck. It's a lot of work to set up but can be a fun and profitable project. After that it's rinse and repeat.
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    • Profile picture of the author thedog
      Thanks creativegirl, great advice.

      You say, fp = $1,000... would that make a centerfold almost double? $1,700?

      Also, I've asked this to 1960Texan, but how do you know if your mag is a hit?

      Cheers

      Originally Posted by Creativegirl View Post

      Excellent idea and the advertising 'could' be very profitable.

      To do it right you need to plan it out with regard to ad sales, content (editorial and volume of ads), design, printing and distribution.

      Before you can create your ad specs and rates you must know your hard costs and always get different estimates including for different page counts and runs so you can have some flexibility in the event you want to do more pages or more ads.

      Rule of thumb on ad rates:
      Cover - #1 premium and highest rate
      Centerfold - 2rd
      Back cover - 3nd unless you give wrap around
      Inside Front Cover - 4th
      Inside back cover - 5th
      first right page (opposite inside front cover) - 6th
      opposite inside back cover - 7th

      full page
      1/2 page
      1/4 page
      any other breakdowns like 1/8 page

      for standard pages (non-premiums) the full page is less than any other page combo (meaning the more ads you place on a page the higher the ad revenue for the page)

      Example:
      fp = $1,000
      hp = $600 (2 x = $1,200 per page)
      1/4 = $350 (4 x = $1,400 per page)
      1/8 = $200 (8 x = $1,600 per page)

      And you NEED a contract, signed by every advertiser.

      Good luck. It's a lot of work to set up but can be a fun and profitable project. After that it's rinse and repeat.
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  • Profile picture of the author Creativegirl
    yeah, it's built on pre-selling advertising to pay for the whole thing plus and profit.

    If it's your own publication then you have to line up your own distribution channels. How you know it is successful is by checking the distribution, how fast they're going and whether or not you are refilling if you set it up that way. Real estate agents one great distribution source in addition to many local areas hotels, travel offices, universities, major employers, etc.

    You can easily ad online publishing in addition to print see mine at Leander Chamber Directory published by Destination Graphix

    Get the software yourself or see if the printer will include it, many here include it now. It was a big upsell that I used. And you can add Google Analytics to it too.

    Based on the sample prices I would price the centerfold at $3,000 because of it's location, not that it's 2 pages. If it's your publication you have flexibility on pricing and giving breaks to get ads sold. I usually kick off a publication with an early bird special of 10% if purchased by a certain date. This helps stimulate buzz, ad sales and generate some upfront operating cash, especially if you are paying a rep for ad sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I say, if you are willing to take the bite at first and do the ads for free on the first issue, then you can fill your publication with the most prestigious advertisers, then all the small business men will want to pay to advertise in your mag with the major guys at a reasonable price. you can make your "proto type" (initial issue) so glammed out that people want to buy into it.

    Offering a free ad can create some major endorsements, who may not otherwise give you the time of day, and that are worth 10's or maybe 100's of thousands of dollars to you in the long run.

    Edit: Maybe give them 30 days for free and then force a continuity payment after a certain period.

    The most stable opportunities in my experience, have been the ones that require you to eat some cost and effort for a couple of months and give something away for free.
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  • Profile picture of the author Creativegirl
    I personally would never recommend eating the cost of an advertising magazine for numerous reasons, even if you have money to burn. If the area is saturated and you're an unknown I could see doing a local treasure map featuring points of interest and giving away a few ad spots or deep discounts to launch it, but you need to increase frequency.
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    • Profile picture of the author thedog
      Originally Posted by Creativegirl View Post

      I personally would never recommend eating the cost of an advertising magazine for numerous reasons, even if you have money to burn. If the area is saturated and you're an unknown I could see doing a local treasure map featuring points of interest and giving away a few ad spots or deep discounts to launch it, but you need to increase frequency.
      There's already free "maps" on offer.

      You're right though, it would be a bit foolish to print a $hit load and hope for the best.

      I guess a plan would be to do up a sample copy, and just go looking for ad sales?
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  • Profile picture of the author I.M.Retired
    Why not take a look at Issuu - You Publish and see if that might be of something of interest? They've even got an format for mobile phones: http://issuu.com/mobile

    We also have a superb local publication in our area that is published on a monthly basis. It is exceptionally well done; a great magazine dealing with local news, events and 'topics' and it has many top quality advertisers every month - some new, some regulars. The magazine is free for the taking - which is amazing. Every page is glossy print - it's truly a work of art in every possible way.

    The magazine is also available online. You can check the publishers website and perhaps come up with some ideas and take it from there. (I think this publication is very similar to what you are considering, which is why I posted the links here.)

    Ottawa Valley Living Magazine

    You can check the advertising options and rates here:

    http://ottawavalleyliving.ca/index.p...d=61&Itemid=48

    Notice that the publisher also has a readable, online version. Here's a sample:

    Ottawa Valley Living Lifestyle and Real Estate Magazine - Aug-10

    The online version is hosted/published here: Mstand - read, share, compile (formerly mygazines.net)

    Mygazines is owned byFlyp Technologies Inc. There is an article about the company here on Wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mygazines
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  • Profile picture of the author Creativegirl
    All you need to get started after knowing your numbers is an ad order form with specs and rates and your sales letter. A cover design will help alot but it's not a deal breaker. Then hit the ad sales, that's where you're going to be until you generate enough revenue. If you do it all yourself you'll earn more.
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