This is what's working for me!

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Hello Folks, I'm new to the forum (kind of) I've been coming here and reading everything for a while now and I wanted to say THANKS! to all of the people on this board that are trying to help.

I started online about a year ago, and although I picked up the tech stuff right away; I just couldn't make any money. I was at a swap meet one day with some buddies and it occured to me that this was a room full of guys that ritualistcaly come together to spend money.
There had to be a way to tap into this.
This is what I did:
  1. Got online and looked for upcoming shows and found a woodworking show.
  2. Went to CB and found a wood working plans package with decent gravity.
  3. Regisered a domain and set a redirect to my hoplink.
  4. Used graphics from the sales page (with permision from the vendor!) and created a 2 sided 8-1/2 X 11 color flier following the layout of the sales page closely.
  5. Printed 300 copies, 2 sided, in color at my day job at the time.
  6. With no further research and fliers in hand I drove over to the show on the Saturday morning
  7. Walked in and found a Mom, Pop, Son vendor booth and made a deal. I would buy them all lunch for both days if I could put my flier on their counter.
The Results:
I set the stack of 300 fliers on their counter at 9:10AM, they called me at noon and said that they were gone. I did no research, total attendance at this show wound up being about 9200 for the weekend. I ran to Kinko's, paid way to much and printed 1500 more. Got them back down to the show at 3PM Sat. They called me Sunday at about 3PM and said they were out again.
Of the 1800 fliers that were handed out I got 1154 clicks or hops I should say. From those 1154 hops I did almost $3000 on CB over the next three weeks!

I called the peolple that gave out my fliers and told them how happy I was and gave them $500-they were thrilled! They then told me that there was 22 shows in this calander and that there was 17 left, and that they would gladly distribute my offer if they could make an extra $500 per show just for doing that.

That's when the light bulb came on! Talk about recurring easy income!

I have since applied this approach to an RV Show, a wedding fair, and a golf expo, all with great results. With this one tactic I have gone to full time affiliate marketer in the last 4 months.

Tips I have learned for implementing this strategy:
  • Do the research-find the estimated attendence and vendors list while finding shows online.
  • Use an 8.5X11 piece of plain paper printed color both sides. I have tested tri-fold brochures and two sizes of glossy XL postcards and the cheap solution wins.
  • Contact the promoter of the show and check on his advertising packages. As it turns out I can have the wood show promoter put my flier in the plastic bag they give to everyone when they enter for $75/show (I'm doing that too but the family that hands them out does way better cause they actually sell for me.)
  • Assign each vendor a unique tracking link at CB and send them a screen shot once a week to keep them motivated. If they pre-sell a little-this kills!

I have developed about 10 of these non traditional strategies that are all working for me. I have been shooting some video and was thinking about packaging it all up into a product. What do you guys think? Should I do it?

Thanks for everything.
Dave
#offline marketing #affiliate marketing #offline #what's working #working
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  • That's brilliant Dave, really creative thinking and simple action taking. Good to hear your success story.
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  • Good job on thinking outside the box.
    Coming up with your own ideas, or spins on existing ideas, and actually taking action with it, is the only way to make significant income imho.
    If people would spend more time trying out their ideas, and less time looking for the easy button, there would be a lot more successful folks.
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    I live in Orlando and there are a MILLION shows/functions here every year. My brain is at work for sure! I am inspired. I copied this and saved it to Google Docs, just so I have it safe and sound!
  • How much did it cost you to make all the fliers in the first place? You said you did a big run at Kinkos, what was the bill for that?
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    • forget Kinkos!
      For a couple hundred dollars you can get a laser printer that will print 10,000 copies or so on one ink cartridge that costs $100.
      You can buy the low cost paper and print your own fliers for 1 - 3 CENTS A PIECE.
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  • That sounds really good. I live near Dallas and there are tons of events going on all the time. This sounds like a really good idea, and a really good way to get targetted traffic to your site. Going to check more into this. It would be a great product to check out!
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    • Christian, I wound up paying like $.38 at the printer that first time. I said kinkos but it wasn't really a kinkos it is a little franchise post place by my house, I haggled a little. When I printed them at work I payed our controller based on the Hard Cost that we were charged by Konica (who leases them the copier), this was $.12 ea. That gives you an idea of the real worth. I have since found a place here locally that does them for $.15 ea and ships them for me for just the cost of shipping.

      I have also never tried a single sided flier which are about half the price.

      Even at the most expensive rate though, I've still spent more trying to dial in a pulse360 campaign.

      It's also important to note that with this high quality traffic click through rate is well over 10% always and I am averaging EPC's of about $3.35!
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  • This is brilliant! Perfect example of someone not over-thinking and not talking himself out of trying something.

    You TOOK ACTION and it paid off. Kudos to you!

    All of us can take a big lesson from this story. Doesn't matter if it's online or offline... go where the traffic is and put something in front of them that is related to their interest. That's all the OP did here. No rocket science was involved. And now he has a repeatable, expandable business with very little work to do on his end and a lot of profit margin built-in.

    Awesome stuff!

    John
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  • Excellent story! Kudoo's for being motivated and getting out that and doing some "old fashioned door knocking" .

    Remember, people online are all offline too Money never sleeps eh?
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  • Excellent! Next thing you need to do is write this all up in a special report (your original post would just about cover it) and offer it as a WSO. Good luck.
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  • Definitely a genius idea
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  • Congratulations! Excellent idea.
  • Dave:

    Any chance of getting you to post an image of your flyers?
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    • Here is the woodworking flier that got it all started. I cant post links cause my post count is too low still. You'll have to copy and paste in the URL's

      Front:

      mistersuperaffiliate.com/images/front.jpg

      Back:

      mistersuperaffiliate.com/images/back.jpg

      I have also done a video report that documents that first event, but if I tell you where to go to look for it they'll pull this post because it's self-promotional. That's what happened yesterday.
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  • That's how its done! Awesome creativity!

    And yes, put together a course on it! That would be great!
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    • Hi Dave,

      Good stuff.

      You have probably thought of this, but in case you haven't, it might be an idea (if you want to expand and sell more products in this niche or the others you are working) to test capturing email addys (via a freebie?) using this method too, then set up an autoresponder sequence *once* with multiple products plus some useful content etc - I'm sure you know the rest.

      Thanks for sharing your system and the flyer, it's always interesting and helpful to see a case study.
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  • That's awesome man! I've done some promo via flyer's here and there, but haven't really took it to a level like that. Definietly a creative way to promote products as an affiliate offline.

    Just goes to show you that if you have a solid idea and have the drive to follow through, you can make anything happen!
  • I love reading case studies like this. I would have gladly paid $97 for what you posted. A splendid thread.

    Thanks!!
  • RE: Capturing e-mail addresses

    Dave:

    How about this idea? I see that Ted's plan package costs $67, but he has a special link for affiliates that gives a $20 discount, making the total $47. How about a landing page on plans4wood.info that is very simple and big with an e-mail address field and a button...

    "Enter your e-mail address here to receive an INSTANT $20 off!"
    (field)
    Button: "Yes! I want to save $20 instantly!"
    Link: "No, thanks... I'll just pay full price"
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  • By the way the video on Teds Woodworking was made by a Hollywood actor that you can hire on Fiverr. I hired him for $5 just a few months ago. lol
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    • do you know his id on fiverr? Would love to see his work more.

      AJ
  • nice one..keep it up...

    thanks,
    sam
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    • Wow, such great response. Training Product Comming. Thanks back to everyone who have tried to help along the way (many are on this post)!

      I never do this but.....
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  • BTW, Dave...

    I can get 8.5 x 11 full color double-sided flyers for $0.075 a piece in quantities over 1,000. Thanks for sharing this -- I have a student who just joined my mentoring program and I think this would be an EXCELLENT vehicle for him.
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    • Please PM me your printers info....or your affiliate link for him, LOL
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    • Steven, mind telling me where it'd be possible to get the flyers done at this awesome rate? I know for a fact that Kinko's rates are outrageous in comparison to what you just quoted!

      Paul
  • Wonderful, creative ideas! That's the type of "out of the box" thinking I admire, as do many others. Thank you for sharing this with the members of the Warrior Forum. Congratulations!
  • "About" ten? So this is just one income-producing idea out of ten or so that are all working for you? Did I read that right? Now that would be some product!
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    • Diane, well 9 actually, but one I really want to try....so yeah 10...LOL

      This is THE one that has had the most dramatic impact on my life and accounts for about 35% of the income generated from all of them. I am still strugling to drive traffic online. I'm pretty outside the box with most things I try. Plus I'm a swap meet, wood show, camping show, auction kind of guy.

      I just applied some good ol' horse trading to the IM world.

      I started shooting video for social channels about a month ago I could probably have it all packaged up pretty quick like. I think I'm gonna do it!

      WSO in two weeks time! There it's done..now I'm committed.
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  • One the BEST ideas I've heard as of yet. Now had you added a QR code and they scanned it to redirect to your mobile website it would be forever. I love successful stories like this one.
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    • adding a QR code is a great tip!
  • Wow this is such a great story, thanks for sharing! Just goes to show that there are a gazillion different ways to make money if you think outside the box!
  • Well done, good example of entrepreneurship...
  • I don't understand that part. How do you do that with printed sheets of paper? I would be surprised if people are going to type in the whole url complete with the tracking id.

    I suppose you must use redirects with a simple domain name?
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    • I should have been clearer (is that a word?) I buy a domain for each affiliate. I use a lot of .info's for this. You can get them for like $0.99 and since SEO is not a factor for this approach, they work just fine.

      Then I redirect to the correct tracking encoded hoplink.
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    • There's a way that WE do that when we issue printed items that are supposed to pay a merchant a commission... the "merchant ID" isn't identified as such on our documents. Instead, we offer a "DISCOUNT CODE" which is, in fact, the merchant's tracking code. So you'll see something like:

      Order Online Now!
      thisisafakedomain.com

      Enter DISCOUNT CODE:
      AC-31742
      for an instant 20% discount!

      or similar. Who isn't going to enter a discount code? Very few people...
  • Very resourceful, Dave. Thanks for posting your idea.

    I'd bet a good many people here have had their own ideas that they aren't making any money from because they haven't done this one thing that you did ... take action!
  • The idea is brilliant. You did thought the right way to fortune and actually made something worthwhile off your efforts, congratulations!

    Andrea
  • Wow, what an innovative way to get those commissions coming in! Good job and thanks for letting us in on your awesome idea.

    Will
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  • Absolutely FANTASTIC post.

    Great to see you came up with a unique concept and followed it through -

    IMO: best post for 2011 so far
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    • Now, allow me to change your career ...

      Let me point out what you're missing here. Find some solid CPA deals (not email submit ones but ones that have excellent foundations) and go for them. Your earning is going to double up.
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    • Excellent Idea Dave. I live in Germany where we have a lot of Trade Fairs or 'Messe' as its called in German. Would like to try this with some CB products in German or maybe develop my own........

      It might be an Idea to make a deal with the food stalls at these events. In addition to having people's attention when they are eating, it might work better Because I believe many others with stands of their own may be suspicious and think you are a sneaky competitor !

      I have often wondered why I do not see any advertising on the paper napkins on airplanes. I think that would be a great place to advertise. You have a captive audience sitting there mostly twiddling their thumbs. But I don't know how much Lufthansa would charge me ...perhaphs an arm and a leg...anyone with big pockets attempted this ??....would love to know.

      Brilliant Dave!....thanks for sharing.
  • I am so happy for you Dave.

    This is an example of pure action. You really have to be a go-getter if you want to succeed in this business. You have to look for ways and that's what you did. Stories like these always make me smile.
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    • You seem to have great original ideas! I've joted down a few notes. I've been using facebook and a few other site to do some free advertising (name dropping where possible for my new site). It's been 24 hours and without too much effort and 0$ invested I have about 100 views and 25 subscribers!
    • Thanks for sharing, Dave.
      I have been using gotprint.com for several years for all of our brochures, flyers, postcards, etc. Might be a good solution for your business.
    • Wow!

      I was just reading a sales motivation poster in the office of a client that said "The Man Who Goes Out In The Market Is The Man Who Gets The Business".

      And then I come back into my bunker and read this GREAT story.

      Good on you. This is what they call "guerrilla marketing" at it's best, and it was a delight to read that it worked so well. It is interesting to note that you found the flat A4 worked better than the glossy tri-fold. Just shows, that in SOME markets with SOME products with SOME offers, that down-to-earth presentation style works really well.
    • Wow this is one the best threads I've read so far. So easy to take action on this idea and expand it to different markets. Thanks Dave! All the best.
    • Excellent post I have a large show ground near to me I may be able to make use of this info at some of their shows. Thanks
    • Wow that is awsome. do you mind if i use it?
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    • Glad to see this post this discussion give us quality.
    • Wow! Thanks for the idea! Can't wait to implement it! So I will start the action steps to start earning!
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    • Awesome Ideas guys and Gals. Thanks for sharing
    • First I had to laugh. Oh how simple. Second I had to applaud. Oh how great. Great job of thinking out of the box. Glad to see you reaped the rewards by taking action on an "Why didn't I think of it" idea.
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  • Dave, Dave, Dave....just when I start to think I've seen and heard it all around here, you come along with a killer idea that's just fantastic! I've seen and have heard others promoting CB products offline, but the way you're targeting buyers and JVing with booth owners at the show is just great!

    Well done man, and I'll be looking forward to your WSO!

    All the best,

    Steve
  • Dave, this is fabulous "out of the box" thinking and action taking. Thank you so much for sharing and for all the additional ideas you have promoted. All the best for your future success.
  • You should seriously package it up! Stuff like this sell like hot cakes on this forum!
  • This is what you call creative thinking. It's great you shared this with the thread. I would personally love to do something like this. The only issue is, I don't know what type of events this would work for and plus you must need a really good offer to get people onto your website.
  • If you live in the UK you can buy 2,000 double-sided 8.5 x 11 flyers for £87 ($140) including postage. That works out at about 4p (6 cents) each.
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    • Im from the Uk, where do you get those cheap flyers from? Im printing my own but its a bit of a pain!!
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    • Can you forward the link for this please to my pm? Love to see that.

      AJ
  • Dave.

    Thanks for your posting!
    The best simple effective strategy I've seen for a long time.

    Anyone should be able to duplicate your method if they do a little research and get off their butts...
    ...others will ignore practical approaches like yours and keep searching for the "push button" make a million software and become disillusioned in the process.


    I look forward to buying your WSO...and soon.
  • Absolutely brilliant. You had an idea and you implemented it.
    Real example of Thinking outside the box.

  • Dave,

    What a great post. How closely do you match the offer to the type of market it is? For instance, I assume you wouldn't do woodworking offers at a yoga fair. Or is that wrong?

    Debbie
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    • Yes you have to match offer to show, but this is very easy to do. CB has a product for everything, you can do the golf, wedding, self help, rv, gun, game, wine tasting, etc show.

      Usually the show has a promotional webpage up with a vendor list. This is a great place to buy a banner ad for the product that you are going to promote. Look at the vendor list then go to the vendors individual website. You can usually tell from there how big they are and find contact info.

      I've also developed similar tactics for CPA offers and and physical goods promotion.
  • Fantastic Dave!! CONGRATULATIONS!! Thank you for posting this, very inspirational. Definitely package it all up and you've got a great product to sell!
    I agree with "Always A Warrrior" - add a QR code!! Just working on this myself and hope to have a finished ebook on it soon.

    If you haven't heard about these codes yet you'll more than likely to soon. They have great potential. They act as link to whatever website, message, etc. you have embedded in them.

    Your cell phone camera captures the code which is a symbol and immediately brings up the site or message on your phone.

    Google "QR reader" to download to your phone to enable your camera to capture the code.

    You can try it out at either of these 2 sites - no affiliate, these are free sites but I'm not yet able to use an actual url so hopefully, you can copy and past them:

    keremerkandotnet/qr-code-and-2d-code-generator/
    mainly generates codes for website addresses only

    mobile-barcodesdotcom/qr-code-generator/
    generates codes for websites, phone numbers, messages, sms, emails, vcards, also generates a url address for any of the above not having its own url address

    I'd show you what one looks like but I can't paste anything yet either but you'll see for yourself if you visit one of the sites above.

    Thanks again Dave, wishing you more success!
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    • I would really like to view a sample flyer of what you are doing, but your images don't seem to be working on my end.

      Am I the only one have trouble viewing the front and back images?
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  • Great idea dave thanks for posting
  • Wow that is great...this is a great example of what you can do when you put you mind to work and think outside the box. There are many great offline opportunities to make money with online products...
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  • Another question...have you had any problems with people accepting your offer/jv idea of renting table space from them for your flyers?

    Have you been to any shows where people have just flat out told you "no", and you weren't able to display your flyers at that show?
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    • The only show I ever did where I showed up without a vendor secured was the first one. Now I use the vendor list that is always published online at the promoters home page and contact vendors and arrange this ahead of time. If I call or email 10 people I always get at least one yes. It helps now that I've been doing this a while so I can show them what they could make.

      It hasn't been and issue I have always found someone to promote for me and it usually isn't that hard. You just need to make sure that your product compliments theirs and doesn't compete with it.
    • Don't expect everyone to tell you yes in fact most just might say no but all you need is one yes and you're in business.

      Don't be afraid of "no". It brings you that much closer to "yes".
  • Thanks for this read, very good, great info and inspiration
  • I couldn't get them to load on three different computers, on either IE or Firefox.

    What I was able to do was right click the hyperlinks and choose "save target as", then I was able to view them on my computer.
  • This is spectacular and creative. It is great to merge the offline and online economies to make money. Thanks for the great tips also!
  • Hi,

    If it worked good on one table, I would try and get several vendors in a show to distribute the fliers.
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    • I've done that at a few different shows in different niches. I found that if the total attendance is about 15,000 or below it doesn't help to have multiple vendors. I suppose if the show is small enough 1 stack get's everyone's eyes??

      The other events I've tried "multi-tabling" ,as the online poker players say; had attendance in the range of 40-50K and then it seems to make a BIG difference.

      I've "worked" a total of 42 events in the last few months and track my data closely and the cut-off seems to be right around 15K.

      Just a side note. Even at $1 a page (which I would never pay and nobody should have to pay even half of that) I would have doubled my money, minimum; at every event I've done.
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  • That's brilliant idea!I think sometimes you just need to be creative and come up with some unique money making ideas.

    Cheers.
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  • Excellent way of offline marketing.

    Not new, but working!

    Simu
  • Absolutely brilliant!

    I have thought about a similar plan before but never actually put it to work..
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    • Dave:

      How do you handle questions from vendors if they ask, if you are the owner of the product you are promoting in the fliers before they agree to put them in their booth?
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  • Fantastic Dave this really is some great work you have cracked it, and also given us something to think about and work with, thanks so much for sharing this with us.

    I am in the Uk and this really does sound like something I could achive, with some hard work and determination I think this will work out really well.

    Lee
  • Just hearing stories like this inspires. Everyone has trade shows going on in their cities.

    Very cool share.

    Aaron
  • This is a great story. It uses a classic approach, sprinkled with some modern day marketing and you have created your own recipe for success.

    Out of the 1154 hops, how many were orders and what's the average cost per order?
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    • Nope it's just me. Keep in mind here that once you have aquired a vendor, they will usually work for you at every show they're attending. For instance when I found the woodworking folks, they told me that they had 17 of 22 shows left in the calender (the one here in my town was back in early December, I haven't seen my vendors in person since then). Now there is like 3-4 left. I'm not going to the shows! I get online and find vendors and then just ship them the sales material so "working" 42 shows isn't that big a deal. That's why it's SOOOOO important to treat your vendors well. I pay LOTS of bonuses.

      You can work this all over the country without leaving you house. Although if you like to travel this makes for a great tax deductible trip-just pick the shows in area you want to vacation to. I have a 1 hr interview with a tax expert talking about this I'm going to throw in as a bonus when I get a product ready (I'm working hard at it!)

      I live in MN and here in the winter-IT"S SHOW SEASON! There's something every weekend. We have two large arenas here that hold most of the big shows, the Mpls. Convention Center & the St. Paul River Center. Just looking at those two calender alone for the next month and a half this is what you find between the two;

      FEB 18 MN Guns and Weapons show, MN Women's Expo, MN Golf Show
      FEB 25th World of Wheels car show
      Mar 4 Mpls Home and Garden Show, Annual Body Mind Life Expo
      Mar 11 Mpls Auto Show, 2011 Let's Play Hockey Expo
      Mar 26 Donnie Smith Bike Show
      Apr 1 Northwest Sportsmans Show
      ....and this is not all of them, just at the two places.

      I haven't done any trade shows because I feel that you need to target impulse buyers. When a guy goes to the Sportsman's or Gun show, he goes to spend money. At a trade show people are being forced to go for their job.

      Without trying hard I can find a CB product for every show I've listed above.



      I will gladly talk to my printer and see if it's OK for me to give out info and quote a price, but in an earlier post (on page 1) somebody found an online place that beats my guys price. Come on do a little research, you will find plenty of discount printers online. Or better yet find a little mom & pop in your area and help them out. That's what I did, and they love me for it! They ship my flyers for me too. I just send them the electronic file and the address to ship to...done. Let them know that you will be doing a lot of printing and negotiate a rate.

      I tell them the truth. " I am an internet marketer promoting an XXXXX offer, I would gladly ship you a copy if you're on the fence." Get your salesman on and sell them on the idea-be completely ethical and transparent. Tell them what they COULD make.
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    • Of that first 1154 hops I did 103 sales over the next 7 weeks, with the vast majority of sales happening in the first three weeks after the event. My commission is like $35 each and then I pay my vendors 25% of that + bonuses that they aren't expecting....this keeps them very happy.

      The key to the high conversion is the impulse buyer thing. At the woodworking show people are there to spend money. At the RV show where I was promoting a cheaper CB product about RV'ing the conversion isn't as good, but it's still much better than you will do online in most cases.
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  • thank you for sharing
  • I think the strategy is great however
    I think you offered you said 500 dollars per show? Of course they jumped at that

    might have been a bit high the offer they might have done it for half that
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    • I offer them a 25% cut of my commission as a standard starting rate. I do however give lots of bonuses to the vendors that are producing.

      Look, I really wouldn't mind splitting my commission 50/50 or even giving them more. This is so easy once you have them on board. I figure it's best to do the volume with this method.

      Play around with it, I'm sure you can find people to do it for less, but most of my people are already committed to doing next year's show calender as my partners. Since the fliers are done that's ZERO work recurring income! I'm going to keep paying "too much" to the people doing all the work for me. It's working I'm not going to mess with it.
    • They might have, but what's wrong with paying an amount they are thrilled to get? He gets 75% of the take for very little effort. It's a great deal for him.

      They are more enthusiastic. The OP is making money. They BOTH win this way.

      Yes, he could have given them less, but it's not always about getting by with paying the absolute minimum you can.
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  • Brilliant offline marketing idea!
  • No, I've never tried that. It's been brought up a couple of times on this post though so I might try to figure out a way to make it work. Most college students are broke so I'm not sure.
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    • Great job Dave!

      Love the combining the online in this case with the offline!

      Do you do any local business consulting or marketing?

      I can see some HUGE tie-ins and additional revenue streams.

      All the best,

      M

      PM me if you want to discuss
  • Nice hustle on your idea Dave. Refreshing to hear something different. Glad it worked out so well for you. Your ad looked great too. Thanks for sharing! --Mike
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    • Thank you for sharing this technique. I live near a coliseum, and they always are having events.

      Plus it's got my gears turning for a different idea, too.
  • When it comes to bonuses, let me make a suggestion that could produce a big benefit at a potentially lower cost: find out how much booth rental was, and pay them that as the bonus amount if it is less than $500.

    Don't get me wrong, when you make good dough handing over $500 is a great thing, but if I were the exhibitor and was told that I'm getting my money back for the booth I rented, even if that's less than $500, my immediate reaction would be: "Wow. I got to do this show for FREE -- I made 100% profit from this show!"

    Anyhow, just a suggestion on a possible tweak that could pay off.
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    • I like that idea a lot. It's not so much because of the fact you are paying them less, but because the benefit is so much more concrete when you express it in those terms.

      You could see them thinking about how every show from then on out is pure profit because their booth rental is paid for.

      They might even do additional shows if that were the case.

      Excellent idea.
    • Most of the big shows at the convention center a small 10x10 booth can cost upwards of 3K with 20x30's going for 15K a show. I looked into it because I thought about getting booths myself and promoting multiple products. But then you have to stand there all weekend and that sucks. I used to work about 15 trade shows a year at my last job as a mechanical designer for a Powersports Company, I've had my fill.

      I'll sit home and have another beer and let them do the work!....LOL
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  • Brilliant! I think of the all the events I attend in where this type of promotion would be simple and an easy fit and then realized how much money I am leaving on the table.

    As far a putting together a product using all 10 non-traditional strategies - I'd say go for it. You definitely have the creativity and it would be of great value to your audience.
  • I love your way of thinking and I plan to do something similar myself!

    My plan is to buy cheap advertising space in local newspapers where I would capture email addresses and give something away for free. Then I set up an autoresponder series with CPA offers that give away FREE stuff and generates a commission.

    I think this could be a good way of driving traffic tons of traffic to a squeeze page.

    I live in Sweden and I think this could work well at least here.

    Wish me luck :-)
  • Dave. Very impressive and motivational for those of us who are looking a little inspiration and aren't afraid to do a little "work".
  • Well done!! That's a great result! A 28% conversion rate is amazing.
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    • That type of conversion is not that uncommon with this method (or the others I'm talking about) this is the highest quality traffic on the planet!! Impulse buyers with money in their pocket to spend on their interests.
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  • Very interesting to see this working so well but the great thing your have is targeted traffic to your flyers as well as an endorsement from either stall owners or events managers real clever.
  • that a good conversion rate brother.

    If I got those, that $1 millon dollar boat I have my eyes on would be waiting docked for me down the canal. LOL

    Please keep us posted if you test something that works well too. This is ingenious. Kudos to you. Keep up the great work.
  • I'm working on a 250K 32' Nordic tug myself. The SS Branch Office.
  • I have to say it's refreshing and inspiring to hear stuff like this. Another creative and fearless Warrior!
  • Wow, great stuff!
  • Hey Dave, Thanks for sharing this BRIGHT IDEA to all of us! I can see many old timers from WF are involved in this thread and giving you the thumbs up comments, which means that you have a very powerful business strategies.

    Now I have plenty of ideas swimming in my head. i will definitely implement this as soon as possible and make lots of money! Thanks again!

    PS: Now, this is what I call super laser targeted traffic!

    Qamar
  • Very Creative. So many different ways to implement IM!
    Nice Job!
  • Wow, this is great, Dave! Thanks for sharing.

    Props for thinking outside the box, but the the even bigger lesson here is to act on your ideas!

    Continued success.
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    • Ahhh....to finally be appreciated for being outside the box!....LOL
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  • Hey Dave, what kind of offer do you think would fit for a furniture exhibition? Or anyone else can give me some opinions please.


    Qamar
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    • Awesome thread Dave..agree with the other comments in that this is one of the best threads already this year. I am planning on doing something very similar but with CPA offers and sports events, and this has just opened things up alot more. Thanks bud and great job!! Look forward to the WSO..

      Steve
    • I didn't look but is there anything out there on how to re-finish old furniture or interior decorating or Fung Shwe? I would think those would work there????
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  • Dave, you rock

    I setup a WSO alert to catch your WSO when it goes live!
  • This is Genius - you've just ignited a flame inside me which I haven't seen much of for a few years.... My ideas are running riot in my mind - crossing online marketing with offline, and a little creativity.....

    Hmmm....

    I'm thinking up something big - I'll PM you soon and I'm going to keep a record of this

    Beautiful,
    Zer[0]*
  • This definitely different to anything I've heard before! Brilliant. I've copied and pasted in to Evernote for now. I'll need to check this out!

    Congratulations,

    Jamie D
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    • Dave, your thread is nothing short of inspirational

      I have a few points to raise however :rolleyes:

      Firstly, IMO anyone with half a brain would after the first event look online at the product your promoting and visit the affiliate link themselves! Why not do it for themselves instead of handing out fliers for you?
      If they do your 'goosed' because they travel to all the shows therefore will hand out their own affiliate fliers to them all preventing you from finding another and being the only one promoting that product!

      Thats a big risk IMO, what about hiring some folk to stand at the exit all day and hand out the fliers to folks leaving? You would probably pay them less than you pay the vendor and could also encourage them by offering a profit share deal!

      Have you tried this and if so any success ?

      Secondly, my guess is a lot of folk read the flier and see 'tedswoodworking' remember that and then bin it! When they get home they g00gle tedswoodworking and you say goodbye to your cut! Why not market the flier so that your divert page/url is the title? That way they remember your link and not bypass it

      One of the best threads ive read on an IM board, congrats on your success
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  • Just read over this again after seeing it the other day. I think it is great that you have found a way to combine offline and online marketing. I will have to start to try this out for myself. There are really a billion ways to make money and you have shared a great unique method.
  • You deserve a prize for creativity!
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    • Thanks! I deserve a prize for follow through. Everybody has good ideas, the sad truth is most never take action. I hope this post inspires a few to get up and do it!!!!
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  • Good thinking! You really used your brain. Congrats for a positive success.
  • How do you find shows to participate in?
  • Hi Dave

    Great idea. Did any of the people ever refuse to help you with the flyers? I suppose no, if you know if it is going to work an offer them the money upfront.
    Do you ever actually go to the fair/trades yourself or do you just give the flyers and then do not go there.

    Really very impressed and congratulations on your creative thinking.
    Andrea
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    • Yes, I usually contact 5 to get one to say yes. I have gone myself, but it's easier to find someone who has to be there already and let them do all the "work."
  • SO you find exhibitors info and contact them or you contact the head of the entire event?
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    • Both, but most of the time I don't wind up doing anything with the promoter of the show, it's typically too expensive. Most of the time I'm just working with vendors.
    • Dave, I hope you don't mind me stepping in here to help answer this. I'm pretty sure he's contacting the individual exhibitors to strike up deals with them - after all, it's the exhibitors that are getting compensated, and not the organizer.

      Paul
    • Dave, I hope it is okay to jump in here and answer this one. Dude, looking at all your replies to this thread, I must conclude you are not reading the entire thread, you are asking questions that have already been answered.

      The answer to this one is: you contact the vendors, not the head of the entire event. Your door to success is the vendors, and you only need one to say yes.

      In a later question you ask how to find these 'trade shows.' This is probably a matter of semantics, but a Trade Show is a Business to Business show. Not what this thread is talking about. This thread is talking about Consumer Product Conventions based around themes. You find conventions easily through a google search for conventions in your area. Go to the website of the Visitors and Convention Bureau of your city, or the equivalent thereof. There will be a calendar there listing upcoming shows and events. You are looking for conventions.
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  • I spent 2 days in a row planning for this method. I have plenty of ideas and a plan ready to be executed...But...somehow or rather there is this thing in me that seem to be "stopping" me. Help!


    Qamar
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    • You can PM me if you don't want to talk about it here.
  • what a great post - you have proven to be a real entrepeneur - full of ideas, an action taker and not afraid to appriciate the guys who passed on the fliers.

    I love your story
    thanks for sharing
    Cheers
    Tina
  • Just wanted to add that a really cool product (which is free I believe) that could help people who sell at swap meets or in a real world environment would be the credit card processor which works on iPhone and iPad (as well as most other smartphones) and it is from the creator of Twitter. And you can check it out at SuareUp.com I heard Leo Laporte "The Tech Guy" talking about this thing on XM the other day (last sunday's show) and apparently its becoming really popular for events like yours. Anyways your post reminded me of it so I thought I'd share that with ya. Hope it helps.

    Oh and FYI
    If you guys have XM or like to listen to internet radio, you should listen to Leo's show and the replays. It is full of technical information (software and techy stuff for do-it-yourself pc repair - gadget news etc) and tons of other stuff thats cool!
    TechGuyLabs.com - Show information and schedules.
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    • Yeah, that's coming for sure!! I thought about that a while back (get them while they have their money out of their pocket at the show) but I haven't tried it yet. I'm working a deal right now that I hope to implement in a couple of months where I'm actually going to bring the digtial product to the show on CD's. I'm still working out the "consignment" deal with the product owner of the product, but it's moving forward.

      It's going to be a BIG investment on CD's but I think it will KILL!!!!!!!
  • Dave,

    Love the idea. Just wondering if you've thought of making your own products to promote?

    Not only will it make you more money, you'll also get a list of buyers you can market to over and over again.

    I can really see a continuity program on the back end.

    Kevin
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    • Yeah working on it ask we speak.

      Is that a Waco on your post? I'm building a CH750 right now-should fly this spring.
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  • Thanks for sharing this experience with us
  • Alright, I am going to be trying this ASAP. I have contacted several trade shows and will wait to hear back. I really think this will work but what type of investment do you think is needed? Do I offer them like $100 or what should I say?
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    • This has been covered a couple of times in this post. Don't rush off half cocked or it WILL fail for you. Do the research. Start by reading this whole thread.
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    • There are 3 ways to find out that info in this thread.

      One is to go to the top of the page and click the search this thread tool and key the words or phrase you want in this thread.

      Second, you can click on Daves name and search his posts, which in his case this is the only thread he has posted in.

      Third way is again go to the top of the thread page, you see it was posted in Main Internet Marketing Forum, click on that, when on that page scroll to the title of this thread. There you will see on the right replies, views. Click on replies and another small window will open, and it will show all the member names who posted in this thread. Click on Daves and it will show all of his posts in this thread. You should be able to find the answer to your questions there. I find clicking the replies the easiest especially in a thread with so many pages and replies. You can do that with any thread on the forum, or most forums for that matter.

      Hope this helps.
  • Alright I guess I will go back and search for it
  • Also how do you work out the split on CB product with the vendors?
    How does the tracking work?
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    • I hope Dave doesn't mind me stepping in to answer this. It wouldn't be hard at all, the easiest way to handle this is by setting up a new CB account specifically for the vendor. This way, you'd be able to track all current and future sales brought in through that vendor. Just create a new CB account for each vendor, as this will really simplify the tracking process, especially once you've acquired dozens of them over time.

      Paul
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  • *Amazed* - once again I am blown away by the creativity of people on this forum. And again I remember just how untapped the 'offline' market still is for online leads. Now, where is the way out of this box...?

    I live a gazillion miles away from the US, UK or anywhere else where it's worth doing offline promotion, but I bet this method could be done entirely remotely.

    Also, wandering a little off-topic, there are countless places where you can take out dirt-cheap local ad space. Or, while we're on the subject of Ted's Woodworking (good find that, that one has done nicely for me too ) - why not do a similar deal with, say, local tool/machine supply shops, and cut out all that messing around at fairs
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    • Way out in front of you brother. Tactic #5
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    • Very good idea! Thanks


      Qamar
    • Mate, I think you misconstrued me. I started off by saying it was an amazing idea, then I bemoaned the fact that I live a long way from these offline markets. I then added an additional idea of my own (perhaps I should have added 'also'), which the OP said was indeed one of his other methods.

      The 'messing about at fairs' bit was something of a joke (hence the smiley). Of COURSE he's going to mess about at fairs - I am thinking about how I can do some messing myself! Although joking apart, approaching local shops COULD be simpler for many than approaching exhibitors at trade fairs.

      However, I was not dismissing anything, or claiming there was a better way - you got that wrong.
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  • You need to make a video WSO of your process. You could be making so much money from that alone.
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  • THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR SHARE.I'm newbie too,and I think I will success
  • Wow Great idea Dave
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  • Hahahaha... GOOD FOR YOU MAN- That is awesome.
    You're gonna be pissed when you start seeing other flyers at the shows because you told everyone your secret.

    I hope not... I love how simple it is and how profitable it was for you.

    Again, great job.
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    • unfortunately, the reality is about 3 people will actually take action. The rest will sit on their A** and do nothing. Sad but true.
  • congrats! this will encourage you for future
  • Now, that's what I call creative thinking.

    Tal
  • Hiya Dave

    Many, many thanks for your post. People like you add incredible value to this forum. This got my juices flowing, I did some research, and now I'm somewhat skeptical...

    I compared your numbers to an averagely performing Sniper style CB affiliate site of mine. Over the last year it has had an average ~3100 uniques per month, resulting in 677 hops and 8 sales for a total of ~$252 per month.

    That's $0.08 per unique with a CTR of 21% and $0.37 per hop. And a sales page conversion of 1.18%.

    To compare, we must define: your flyer = your "site", your site/redirect = your "hops".

    You had 1800 "uniques" and 1154 hops. Your earnings were almost $3000 in three weeks. Since this was a one-time event and results probably tapered off, let's call it $3000 in one month.

    That's $1.66 per unique with a "CTR" of 64% and $2.60 per hop. And a sales page conversion of 5.68% (65.6 sales, Ted's woodworking pays $45.73).

    Comparing dollars, you claim to get 20.75 times more out of every "unique" and 7 times more out of every hop than my site and a sales page conversion that is almost 5 times higher than in my case.

    On my sniper site, we're talking about highly targeted customers who were searching for a buying keyword in Google. On your flyer, we're talking about highly targeted customers who were handed a flyer at a show where they probably received 50 more flyers. People who then had to go home and remember to type in the URL. While all "my" people had to do was click a link.

    Does not compute. What y'all thinking?
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    • I don't think it's apple to apples. I don't think you can base your math on 1800 "Uniques", I think in order to come up with that number wouldn't you need to know how many people just saw the flier? Think of it this way, the attendance at this show was just a little over 9200. Now having actually walked the show and seeing the layout (this one was at a small armory type building) I would say that 90+ percent of the people saw the flier. So I think you're math should be based on like 8500 uniques. Of those 8500 I got 1154 hops, just doing the math in my head this puts the CTR of your sniper site out in front by about 10%.

      The conversion is better for sure, I attribute that to the fact that at this type of show, people are intent on spending money. This is a room full of impulse buyers! I would hazard a guess that people made their mind up that they were going to by before they left the show.

      I'm not a woodworker, but I am a car guy. I go to most of the swaps and shows that have to do with this. I have friends that I go with that save money all year long, and hide it from their wives; just so they're banked for the swap. People look forward to going so much, they plan it for months ahead of time.

      It's a completely different medium than online, so I really don't know how to do the math.

      Look, I haven't tried to sell anybody anything on this post and I really don't care if anybody tries it. I was just trying to give back a little.
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  • I'm new to clickbank, but what is gravity?
  • @strugglingartist

    I'e been promoting "Ted's Woodworking" on Bing the last few days using direct linking. I've had 97 clicks and no sales.

  • Dave,

    You really need to package this into a WSO. As part of it you could offer flyer templates for the most common events like woodworking, golf, gardening etc as part of the WSO. You could even have a video showing you making a flyer using one of the templates and then uploading it to the printer's website to be printed. You can include a list of websites that show a list of upcoming events in different cities also.
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    • WOWWY! Dave thank you SO much for sharing such valuable information!

      I live in the boonies. Getting to shows is difficult so I would have to take the remote approach.

      3 questions...

      1. When I first contact some of the vendors, I won't have previous stats yet on the possible potential. May I use your example as what could potentially be their income based on your results?

      2. Do you feel email contact or phone contact works best?

      3. What would you say should be the amount of flyers on a first go with a new vendor?


      Thanks in advance, and your share is one of the best I have seen in a long time.
    • Done!....Pending Approval "6 Steps To Cashing In This Weekend"

      Enjoy!
  • WOW Dave, thank you so much for sharing this!!!!!! I'm already taking action Do you think something like this looks good as an initial contact email?:

    Good morning,

    I've found your business listed on the exhibitors list for the "Nuclear Grill 2011" event in Chicago this March.
    What I am about to say will probably sound weird and I've never done this before, but I would like to make deal with you.

    I've been promoting various Nuclear Grills on the Internet, but I thought that it
    would be interesting to do some testing offline and I was wondering whether you would be interested in making a deal where all you would need to do is to put some leaflets on your stand during this event?

    I've already designed the leaflets promoting one of the "Nuclear Grills" and because it would be a great complimentary product for "Nuclear BBQ Sauce" that you are making I thought that we could make a great deal. No competition or anything else like that.

    I would take care about all of the technical things, like setting up unique tracking links and you would also get a 25% commission
    Thank you for your time,

    James Bond

    What you guys think?
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    • I think that reads pretty good. I wouldn't mention that you've never done this before. I think you want to instill confidence. Don't lie and say you have either, just omit that part.

      I have also found that a phone call delivers much, much better. You should be able to track down a number online without too much fuss.

      Also, make sure that you're not asking them to promote a product that competes with their own. Find one that compliments.

      You Got It!!!! You're in good shape.
    • I don't think this sentence is needed at all. It creates doubt in the recipient and shows you aren't confident.
  • This is a excellent idea. Took me a few minutes to think of how I could use it in my situation because I live in a tourist area. But I got a few excellent ideas and look forward to implmenting them in the near future.

    Thanks again!
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    • You live in a tourist area!!! Get 'em Killer!!!
  • Like so many others, I regularly scour WF - and this is one of the brightest ideas I've seen! Smart. Thanks for sharing.
  • Flyer marketing can really work. Have you considered split testing with business cards? I know you can't fit the same amount of info there as you can on a flyer. But I wonder if the business card makes it to the person's computer easier than a flyer...
  • Offline meets Online...Very creative and well done..
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    • This is what really gets results, and it will also never be as saturated as stuff that's purely online, because the majority of people tend to have this irrational fear of doing anything offline.
    • Just some great information Dave and congrats on your success. Quick question (sorry if this has been asked), do you just offer a commision to the vendors you contact? Was wondering what your thought is on offering the vendor an "upfront fee" to just place the flyer on the table throughout the show?

      I used to do a lot of Baseball Card shows and if someone would have offered me $75 for the weekend to just place a flyer on the table I would have jumped on it. Obviously there is a bit of a risk doing this as you are putting the money up front but the ROI would be better on your end (cheaper than the $500 commission).

      Just wondering what you thoughts are on this?

      Congrats again, and just a super post.

      Rich
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  • thats amazing... i wish this worked here in india as well ... wanna move to The States
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    • It's something I am thinking about as I live in Eastern Europe (although I am British) - but I think this could all be done 'remotely'. You could either get the printing done in India (MUCH cheaper than in the US, I bet!) and send over directly, or maybe better, order from a US company and ask them to deliver direct to your contacts. I think if you were very honest and direct with your contacts, you could do all this by email even, or cold-calling (cheap Skype!), though not everyone is comfortable with that.

      I would be happy to bounce around other ideas with people in a similar position as to how this could be done 'at a distance'.
  • Alrighty, I've sent out 10 emails to business owners, one has already replied:
















    I apologize for disturbing you again, but I had a look at your website
    and I was wondering whether you have ever thought about selling your products online?

    I just did some simple research using Google Keyword Tool.
    and competition in the search engines for the products that you are selling ridiculously low.

    For example in UK alone each month 480 people are searching for XYZ, yet the
    websites that are ranking in the search engines are very basic and could be easily outranked.
    There are also 720 people each month searching for XYZ2, which is another product that you are selling.
    Only these two keywords combined get over 14400 searches per year.

    Yet again, sorry for my emails, but I just wanted to give something back for my first email. Maybe you'll     look into this sometime in the future.

    Good luck,


    Robert


    Let's see what will hapen


    I know that giving these businesses a phone call would be much better, but I don't know... It's too scary for me, because I think I'll sound too young and I still got this strong eastern european accent

    EDIT: In case no one will agree to make a deal, I will stand right in front of the entrance and just give those flyers out for people who will be coming to the conference. I won't be inside of the building, so I guess administration wouldn't be able to do anything about it. hoho
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    • I've been following this thread, and I just want to inject a little caution. Be careful about trying to hand out flyers at the door, on exit, etc. I've been ejected from conventions/fairs on more than one occasion just by attempting to SURVEY people at a show -- even though I was hired by the trade association sponsoring the show. Convention venues are notoriously protective of their space(s), and even if you are clearly within the law, or even their own public guidelines... if they feel you are encroaching on their business in any way, you'll get the boot. It doesn't seem to matter how young, cute, and innocent you appear -- believe me! I think the original notion of partnering with an approved exhibitor is by far the safer bet.
  • That is a work of genius!
  • wow that's a genius offline promotion, WAOW!!!!
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    • Hello Dave,

      Would it be Ok If i could use your graphics flyer in my own area??

      With my own website on it of course...
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  • Well......I'm sure trying.
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    • I just got Dave's WSO

      WSO

      and it's everything that you need to make this method work for you. Dave has responded to this thread quickly and to all of my pm's as well. He also includes an email address for addition support if you should run into anything, but after going through the material, all I need to do now is get to work.
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  • I love how this thread is still alive. I think it should be added as a sticky in a beginners section of the forum! What you have outlined is a great technique to make money online.

    I did something similar with a Netflix offer when all of our local movie rental places shut down within months of each other. I canvassed the town with bright red flyers and pointed them to a website with a neflix offer on it! Conversions were insane.

    I was successful because I took action. Had I waited even a month to contemplate things I wouldn't had made as much money. Why? Because some local guy started putting in Red Boxes and those have become insanely popular in my area since.

    So stop over thinking and just starting doing. Again I love this thread.
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    • Awsome with the Netflix..Just goes to show how taking action is the key. Thanks for the kind words!!
      -Dave
  • To much Work

    We have too
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  • I didn't see it in the previous posts ... do you capture names and email addressess so you can use an autoresponder sequence? If not, why not? Seems like it might be worth split testing.

    Marvin
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    • Hey Dave, have you checked the gravity of the Clickbank product you mentioned in this thread lately? I nearly fell off my chair when I saw that number!
    • That's something I'm still dialing in. I'm trying.
  • Thank you Dave for this thread, as a beginner it is truly inspirational. As a beginner it is insanely easy to over analyze, something I'm guilty of. You read all these great threads with fantastic ideas and it all starts to become mixed together. A good friend told me this week, just pick one thing and get really good at it, it doesn't matter what it is, just practice it and you'll make money. The best way to not make money is put your hand in too many things at once.
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    • Yes your friend is 100% right. Look, I'm a drag racer, and a pretty good one; and when I help somebody the first thing I tell them is this. Be consistant, do everything the same, every run; even if it's wrong. Once you are doing it the same way every time, then it's easy to refine and fix the little issues; but you have to be consistant first.

      IM is the same thing focus on ONE thing until you have a little success, then leverage that success and more on to the next.

      "Starting 100 things doesn't ever pay as well as finishing 1"

      -Dave
  • What I love about your method is it gets one away from the computer and out mingling with people. I agree with the others that have pointed out cross promotion being valuable. I remember when "everything is moving online". I guess the trade shows don't agree.
  • This is great Dave, you made the WSO real quick! I am not going to buy quite yet but may in the future.
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    • When you decide to pick it up I'd love your feedback, and let me know if you have any trouble or questions.
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  • Glad to see a great idea for integrating offline methods with CB.
  • Dave - big wet sloppy smooch, guy. I can't believe I didn't think of this with all the rock shows I attend. Holy cow. Duh.
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    • I'm a sucker for a big wet sloppy smooch from a rocker chick too........
  • Just. Plain. Genius.
  • It sons like a good idea and will work for both affiliate marketers as well as product creators nice job....
  • Thanks for sharing your "out of the box" thinking Dave and congratulations on your success!

    It's stories like yours which help to inspire all of us here on the WF.

    Nigel
  • Impressive story.It helps alot thanks
  • great story! good idea and the results are awesome
  • Thanks for the info Dave, I keep forgetting that there are top notch opportunities in the real world as well as the web!
  • Congrats, it's always great when real life marketing tactics are applied in line with online efforts
  • Wow! What a simple and genius idea! I live near Nashville so this will be easy for me to implement!

    Thanks
  • Wow.. this looks like something I'l like to get into.. the method is simply ingenious.. thanks for the share..
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  • That is excellent thanx for sharing!
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    • Thanks now go do it!
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  • Hey Dave,

    The tool you use in your WSO is SOOOOOOO easy!! I love it !

    You do a pretty good job on that tutorial, your little mistakes with the design make your WSO more real because is shows you are just a regular guy , GREAT JOB!!
  • This is a light bulb moment for me. I love that strategy. I hope you move forward with compiling your other strategies and developing a product. I am most definitely interested.
  • I will create an amazon review printer site and post it in 5 minute!
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    • I usually contact 5 to get one to say yes. I have gone myself, but it's easier to find someone who has to be there already and let them do all the task.
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  • Hey thanks for that. I tried clicking on the link to see an example of your flyer but it didn't work.
  • Awesome idea - I thought, hey why not try a small run, and I will just go with woodworking because I have already been promoting Ted's Woodworking. So I thought, let's go to the top, Alexandra Palace Get Woodworking Live show in London in two weeks time, let's see if exhibitors even respond.

    Guess what, SOMEBODY'S been taking action on this thread because some exhibitors are quite surprised that they have had more than one approach of this kind Funny, wonder why!

    Anyway, lesson is: there are people here who WILL take action when they see a great idea like this, if you won't! But also you should move away from the obvious niches, and probably don't bother going for high-profile events like this one either. Your local school fair might have MORE hungry buyers than the big Ally Pally shows, who knows! Time to be a LITTLE more imaginative, methinks!
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    • Yes eventually the big show centres will see how much money can be made and then up the price to the entrepreneurs and squeeze their margins while the show hosts or organisers will soak up most of the cash.

      That's not me being negative - it's a commercial reality!

      It's like the coffee stalls at train stations - selling 300 cups of $3 coffee every day sounds like a lucrative business - but you can be sure the train station will be charging a LOT of rent - infact they'll have different vendors bidding to pay the most rent to get that spot.

      Having said that though there are plenty of smaller shows and events in provincial areas which could be used! It's got me thinking...
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    • Yes I agree this is a very good method that I remember seeing like a week ago or something. Now it has thousands of views and a lot of people are going to try it. You have to be creative and go local.
  • Good man ..its really nice work well done and best of luck
  • Well I did my little flyer thing over the weekend and so far I have had 4 conversions on the CPA offer. The only bummer is that the network lowered the commisions from $40 to $25 but im not moaning.

    I handed them out myself because this was my first time so i wanted to gauge it.

    Will check my account later today to see if anymore come in. I printed to flyers myself so i can't really put a price on how much that cost me , was great fun too, had a good laugh doing this.
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    • Stark contrast to the OP. Why do you think so low? Choice of product? Design of flyer? Type of crowd?

      Also, how many flyers did you print up? I'm going to give this a punt, thinking of 2000.
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    • How many did you hand out and what was the niche if you don't mind me asking.
  • That is a very good plan. Thanks for sharing.
  • Hi,

    I only handed out 300 in total. I think the target crowd was ok. It was a wedding show full of wannabe brides and their mums. So i thought for sure they will be wanting to look their best for the big day and of course the big night!

    The product was a hair removal product, without shaving or waxing or expensive laser treatment. Since the first four conversions i have had another 6 from yesterday to noon today when i last checked so they are still coming in steady.
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    • Nice, not ideal, but nice. Had you paid the right price for fliers @ 0.15/ea for 300 so $45-sold 10 @ $25 commission for $250-THAT"S A 500% ROI so far and the orders are still coming! That's awesome. Keep up the good work! Now find a vendor who's traveling that show and scale it up!!!
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    • You're definitely on the right track here. Make sure that your flyer costs are as low as possible - I think you'd have to print out at least 1,000 flyers to get the $0.15/page rate (at least from what I've seen so far with the online sites), but now that you know your offer seems to convert well with what you're doing, it would make sense to hand out 1,000 flyers and scale this up further!

      Paul
    • Can we say...NONO!!!
  • Markjob,

    I have a feeling you'll get more conversions. Did you use a flyer similar to how Dave laid it out? Also, how did you distribute them? Did you stand and give them to people or were they on a table of a vendor's?

    Debbie
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    • Well, I bought the wso, very nice work Dave.

      One thing, what's your take on promotion pages with opt in boxes?

      I have 2 products in mind... the first one is more popular on clickbank, makes $10 more, but has an "free ebook" opt in.

      It brings you to a thank you page, and a "return to where you were link"

      I've tested it with my hop link, and it keeps my cb id. When I click the confirmation email, I get taken to a page, saying thank you with a back button, this also retains my cb id.

      The problem is, the first part of the free course arives instantly in you email box, and when you click this link... well, payment goes to paypal.

      The woodworking page you used, didn't have this problem, is this one of the reasons you picked this product?
  • Another 3 conversions since i last poped in here, cool!

    As for the cost of the flyers i have no idea because i printed them at home so i don't know how to work that one out?

    Yogini: I purchased Dave's WSO after i had my design all setup and printed so i did not watch his videos until i did my test because i knew i would of messed around with things and maybe made a hash of it and miss the event haha!!

    After watching dave's videos i will be doing things a little diferent with my designs for sure, the software he uses is what i use so im pretty good at that part.

    I have had a few PM's from people here but my post count is not high enough to reply so if anyone wants to contact me just pm me your email address and i will get back to you.

    I only come on here once a day, far too much info on this forum haha If i stay longer i would never get stuff done.

    Marky
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    • Mark, congratulations! If you printed your flyers (especially if they're color) on an inkjet printer, your costs are likely going to be pretty high. You might want to start monitoring your cost per page now, as this is ultimately the key to maximizing your profits on a flyer campaign - this is extremely crucial when you're printing and distributing thousands of them, as it could mean the difference between losing money/breaking even or making a nice, fat profit!

      Paul
    • This is the SECOND-best bit of advice I have read on this thread

      Visit WF, get idea, go do it. Come back when you need another idea, or to tell people what's working!

      Mark
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  • That is what online marketing is all about... you have to develop a new strategy and run with it...
    Let your brains start rolling now people!...
    Congrats Dave...
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    • Well, just rang an exhibitor there, and got a no.

      She was really nice about it, but the tone I got was one of mild confusion, and who exactly are you?

      I explained as best I could, the conversation went a little like this...

      ME - Hi, my name is ... , I'd like to promote an online Reiki course at the ... event, It's a very simple concept, with promotional flyers, but the organizers don't offer any way to do this, other than getting my own stand.

      HER - sorry, who am I talking to?

      ME - my name is... I found your name on the website, and thought I'd contact you to see if you'd be interested in promoting this, you'd get a cut of course.

      HER - What is it exactly, what are you promoting

      ME - It's an online Reiki course, it's been the best selling course since 2007, in this field. I've promoted it online and it's doing quite well, I think with such a targeted market, it would do very well at the expo. I just need a vendor to let me leave them on their stand.

      HER - So, this is your product?

      ME - No, it's a product I'm promoting, I'm an affiliate marketer, and I get a commision from each sale.

      (i think this was the point i lost her)

      HER - If it's selling so well, why don't they just set up a stand themselves and sell it at the show?

      ME - It's an online product that relies on it's affiliate marketers to promote it, they're based in america.
      (i think she was a bit lost at this point)

      HER - oh, I thank you, but I'm not interested. I like to keep my stand nice and simple.

      ME - No problem, I just thought I'd find a list of exhibitors and see if they were interested.

      HER - Well, it's not for me, but I'm sure you'll find someone who'll go for it...

      -------------------------------


      I think the main problem here is, I'm not a sales person.. I think I explained it pretty well... but, if they don't know you, or even have trouble understanding even a little of what you want to do... I think it could be hard to convince them over the phone.

      Does anyone have any advice? I didn't even get a chance to tell her the potential earnings, for doing pretty much nothing...

      I've emailed another guy, his site had no phone number... I feel, I was able to clearly write what I had in mind, here's my email...


      Hi Myles, I found your name on the list of exhibitors, on the site, and found your own site here.

      I'm contacting you with a simple business proposal. This isn't spam, it's a genuine offer, which could be quite profitable.

      I'm an Internet Marketer, and would like to promote a popular online Reiki Product. I contacted the organizers of the event, hoping that they would have an information pack or goody bag, where I could include my flyers. They don't have this facility, I also can't just go handing out flyers.

      So, what I'm looking to do, is leave a bunch of my flyers, on an exhibitors stand, they're A4.

      The product is one of the best selling Reiki products online, $62 profit per sale. I really do believe it will sell very well at such a highly targeted event. I plan to have 1000 printed up, so even at a 5% conversion rate, that's $3,100, or $775 to you. This is an extremely conservative number, I'm expecting it more to be 10 - 15%

      So, all you need to do, is leave some flyers in your event area.

      I'm abroad at the moment, in China, but I have a friend who's helping me with this little venture. She will be at the event, and will be my person on the ground, although, there really is very little to it, she'll just be dropping off some flyers.

      If you are interested, we should have a chat about it. I'm 8 hours ahead of you, so we could organize a time to chat on skype, or you can email me your number, and a convenient time for me to call you.

      Hope to hear back from you

      Rob


      So, what do you think? I find that if I call people, all they'll hear is "spam spam, sale, spam, get rich quick, spam"

      Where, with an email, you can explain exactly what it is you're trying to do before they tune out.

      Also, I think Dave did so well because he met his mom and pop vendors in person, rather than an out of the blue phone call... I'll keep going, but this may be the only avenue, if I get no bites. I have a friend who's helping me, who'll be at the event.
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  • That's really innovative. You can get a good deal at clubflyers.com on print jobs. I just got 5000 business cards for $50 with a high gloss finish on both sides. Just might print a bunch of flyers for more SEO business and do the counter thing and see if I get more leads.
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    • I went to the clubflyers site and got a price on 1000 flyers. Thier price: 229.99

      I had already got a price from usprintingtrade for 1000 flyers and their price was 143.40. That is the best price I have found after going to about 10 printing sites. The only thing that might different from clubflyers is the paper. I don't know a lot about paper.

      Clubflyers paper: 11pt thick cardboard
      USprintingtrade: 110# Gloss Test

      Vic
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    One thing I don't understand is why would people continue to promote for you when they could visit the site on your flyer, go to the affiliates page on the merchant site, sign up with Clickbank and get their own fliers printed and get all of the affiliate commission for themselves?
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    • For TMN once you are signed up just scroll down and log in, you will be connected and listening to who ever is on. It's not broken up show by show, it just kind flows all together, Zabrina will just pass the mike to me so to speak.

      As far as domains, I don't like having them enter /'s, I like to keep it simple for the buyer. Feel free to try what you want, maybe it will work just fine. That's not what I do so I can't say.
    • This was brought up in an earlier post, this was my reply;


      To your first point about folks abandoning my flier and getting their own offer to promote; we live in a vacuum in the IM world, but the reality is the vast majority of people in america don't have a clue what IM is. They have no idea that everything they click on-on the internet is monetized. When I got started just over a year ago I didn't. I'm 41 years old and work with a computer every day. One day I got an email from Adam Horwitz's Mobile Monopoly and watched the video he sent. That was the very first time I ever heard about it. I come from a family of computer literate people, many make their living on a computer in one way shape or form, when I started talking about making money online they were lost. Even after I try to explain what it is that I do, they don't get it. My group of friends ranges from racers and car guys to Engineers with Masters degrees, none of them get it either. When I talk about it their eyes glass over and they get that deer into headlights look. They don't realize that they can sign up for a free clickbank account and do this themselves.

      Having been a small business owner and done the "show thing" myself in previous lives. I don't think most people have time to explore alternative income streams. They are so focused on just getting to the show with their own product. It's always a last minute push, ya know.

      I mentioned that I am a Mechanical Designer by trade, and I worked in the powersports (ATV) industry. I just got back from the largest show in the country for this. The Dealer Expo in Indy, where I worked under contract for one of the major manufacturers (starts with a P) and I watched them get ready to go. Now this is a company that does these things all the time and has all the staff they need, and they still are under the gun just to get set up in time. I think Most vendors will just be happy to make the easy extra money, they don't realize how quick and easy they could cut me out of the loop and I suspect it will be this way for ever.
    • Not all people are like you and me who are well aware about the existence of Affiliate Marketing. You will be surprised that although people may seem tech savvy, yet they are not aware of affiliate marketing and its benefits.

      The thing that always stop us Marketers is over analysing things, "what if this", "what if that" kind of thinking. Many people like to assume this and that before taking action, including myself.

      Take it from the OP just do it and see what happened later...


      Qamar
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  • Great Stuff Dave not a lot people would think of that...if you have the resources to create the product go for it...
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  • Nice story, shows all advertising doesn't have to be done online
  • Well a very creative thinking by Dave indeed. Keep it up and you will have more success.
  • good on you Dave, great work getting creative with it
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    • I'm in as well. I have a show lined up for next weekend. I approached a store who is going to the show next weekend, and explained what I wanted to do and the offer. (Which I offered 25% of my profits to the store for handing them out.) They were in a mad rush to get things ready for the show, and they expressed that they just didn't have much money to invest into the show itself. So having the option to earn a little extra money by handing out these flyers was just gravy for them. They were more than willing to do it.

      I got started on this late for the show this weekend, but I'm going to try heading there with a stack of flyers and see if I can talk some of the vendors in the show to putting them on their tables. We shall see if that works.

      Thanks for the great idea. I've got a few more shows in the works in the next few weeks and depending on how this weekend and next goes, I'll have a better idea how to make it even more profitable.

      Btw, I wanted to mention that I have access to the Adobe suite of design products and I tried doing what you did with Gimp just to compare. Gimp works so much easier for this task than any of the products I used in the Adobe suite. So great recommendation.

      Thanks again for getting me starting in this path!
  • Very ingenious method!
    I thought of doing something like this, but wasn't too brave on working out a deal with the event staff. I was a bit worried that they'd have a policy against that sort of thing.
    Thanks for proving that it works.
  • Props to you for going for and taking action instead of simply staying home like many warriors do
  • I have complied a list of sites for trade shows, conventions, etc. Is it ok to put those links in a post? They are not affiliate links. It took quite a bit of time and I would just like to give back a little to the tread.

    Dave, I also have a question for you since you have been doing this for a while.

    What are you doing about the tax situation concerning the vendors? Are you asking for personal information so you can send a 1099 or just what?

    Thanks,
    Vic
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    • Yeah, you can pay them 600$ without it and then you have to 1099 them. My tax guy takes care of it for me. Best investment I ever made was hiring a good tax guy.
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    • I should also say that most of the time I'm paying a "business" then it's no big deal I just keep a record of it and deduct it. Then there is no 1099 because your just "paying for services rendered"
  • thanks dude!
  • Thanks Dave, I just wanted to start out on the right foot with vendors so they would know how taxes would be handled.
    I haven't tried to do anything yet as I am putting together a plan so I won't go into this half cocked. I think careful planning will make things easier in the long run.

    What about my questions of listing the links to the sites I have found in a post. Just wondering is it ok to do?

    Vic
  • OK...well I am on board too.

    I have a Flower and Patio show lined up later this month thats expected to pull in 90,000 visitors. I lined up a "partner" and am going to have the flyers printed and shipped to her in 4 days...all 5000 of them. She was so estatic when I explained the entire process and gave her more details about it that she asked me if the place I got my ebooks had a "nation wide plan" because she is scheduled for 36 more shows this year and would love to take flyers to everyone for me if it would work

    I told her..."Yeah, I think we can make it work"

    Now shes going to send me a list of the show dates, locations, show type and expected attendance number.

    One long term vendor/partner down...10 to go!

    Oh yeah, almost forgot...

    I'm also doing something a little differnet...call it testing, I am having the flyers double side printed but promoting differnet CB products on each side, looking forward to seeing how that pans out.

    Best of luck everyone!
    Robert
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    • I have never tried the two offers thing, but have thought about it quite a bit. Please report your results.
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    • Any clue as the the verticle you are doing for a "Flower and Patio" show?

      Clickbank ebook? You were able to find something pretty targetted?

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    • Robert, are you using any graphics on your flyers, and are they color or black and white? I assume you'll be promoting complementary CB products when testing this new approach you've outlined above?

      Paul
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  • Wow great insight. Something to really think about. I am new as well and information like this can help us all go a long way. Thanks!!!
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  • that is some clever thinking this gives me new ideas on using offline tatics to make some good money.
    cheers...
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    • Hi Dave,

      Thank you for this post, plenty of great workable ideas here. I have made a large swipe file of this post and your replies and plan to put it to work soon.

      I do have a question for you, have you ever thought of adding a QR code to a flier to build a list? I mean the people are walking around the expo and such and are surely carrying their phone.

      I think they are becoming more common to many if not all consumers and my thoughts are that this may work for some demographics. At any rate thinking out loud and thought I would share.

      Thanks
      Amy
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  • Wow! Thanks for the post. I actually remember that these offline marketing ideas are probably sometimes your best bet. Anyways thanks Dave because their is a lot to be said about offline marketing.

    Cheers
    Jake
  • Woo hoo! I think I may have a bite, I sent off an email, and a follow up phone call. He's mailed me back looking for samples of what he'll be displaying!

    And I"m in China.

    I have a friend who's going to drop the leaflets off at the show. I'm going to give here an equal cut.

    My plan is to get one successful show under my belt, which should make it easier for more shows.
  • Amy, I think a forum would be a great idea. I just don't have the time to pull it off right now. Between customer support (which is paramount to me) and the new show, I just wouldn't have time. But go for it, I wouldn't mind at all.
  • very nice offline marketing you did there, congrats
  • Question about Gimp and Snagit. I know Gimp is free and Snagit is free for 30 days, don't mind buying it though but I would like for someone to jump in and give their thoughts as to which one that is the easiest to use for a complete beginner to create flyers because at this point that is all I am interested in doing.

    Thanks,

    Vic
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    • I've never used Gimp so I can't comment there but I would say that Snagit works pretty well and the learning curve isn't steep at all, not to mention they have a great customer service area and lots of video turtorials on how to use it.
    • Snagit is just a screen capture software. You'll need an image editing software, to layout your flyer. Also, you'll need to put your own text in the flyer, your url for example... Download gimp, it's pretty easy to use.

      Or, you could always just out source.
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  • Good going Dave. I've always felt you'd have more luck with idea you think up and act on yourself then trying to follow other peoples' ways. Your success is a perfect example of that. Long may it continue.
  • When it rains it pours...

    I just set up my second show.

    It's a boat show late this month and after I sent my 14th (yes 14) email to perspective vendors I received a reply (first time thats happened). I answered the persons questions, attached an example flyer from the other show, explained how the tracking worked and his commission and within just a few minutes he replied back very eager to do it (below is his reply)...










    Update - Just wanted to add that from start to finish this second show took me about 1.5 hours to get set up. That's from my initial searching for another show to do, finding one and the list of exhibitors, sending out the 14 emails and then getting the last reply (posted above) from my new "partner"...now it's time to make the flyer and set up printing
  • Ok, my rush job is in the process. I had an Antique show this weekend that I hastily printed up about 100 flyers for. I went down there in person, looking for someone to partner up with. I walked the floor looking for potential prospects. I approached a few booths with mostly not interested responses. I finally came across a booth with an older gentleman. He was sitting in a chair polishing hardware smiling at everyone as they passed. I approached him and made some small talk. Eventually had the opportunity to present my offer. He was more than happy to have me leave a stack of flyers on his table. I tried then to get his contact information so that I can compensate him, and he refused. He said if it helps you out, I'm more than happy to help.

    I was floored! <grin> I tried to leave the whole stack but he ended up taking about 30-40 of them.

    I kept circling looking for another opportunity but the same results happened. So I was kind of down and made my way out the door. On the way out of the event, I happened to pass by a table that was setup in the foyer of the building, where the vendors were able to place flyers about their shops, upcoming shows, etc. They had plenty of room for one more. So I dropped the rest of the stack on the table.

    I'm anxious to see if it's going to work since this was a last minute opportunity. But I also wanted to let you know about the possibility of their being a table at the door where you can put more flyers! 100% profit on those! Oh, and actually, if I sell anything at this show, it's 100% profit!
  • Great story and ideas here--thanks to all!
  • Great stuff! this thread is a goldmine of great info!
  • Great job Dave. Best post I've read on here in a long time. My thoughts;

    1. QR codes are critical. Become adept at these. Over the next year or so new phones are going to have the QR app built right in. Impulse buyers could buy on the spot.

    2. It seems as if you are doing enough printing to do what I finally did. Lease a high speed printer. I don't actually know how to run the thing but my office assistant does.
    Takes her a few minutes to set up a printing job and then she can come back and work on something else while it runs. Its in a separate room so I don't have to listen to it.

    3. Why in the world aren't you working on your own products. Just to see what was available I went out and searched for woodworking plans (which I know zip about.) Took me all of about five minutes to find free stuff, public domain stuff and a huge amount of other available materials. I recently acquired the rights to a book that has been out of print since the 70s. (not woodworking) The lady's husband had passed away and she didn't realize she still owned the copyright. Happens all the time. If you don't ask, you don't get.

    Keep Going, just put your head down and do it. (and good luck)

    Thomas
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    • Thomas, this is awesome advice. QR codes can be easily printed on each flyer, and could very easily increase your conversion rates as your prospects don't even need to type in your domain anymore - while this may seem like a trivial step, people are lazy, and removing as many obstacles as you can in between them and your website will almost definitely increase your sales.

      I've seen fairly high-end Dell office laser printers sell for about $500, with a very low cost per page rating (about 4 cents per color page, if memory serves me correctly). There'd be absolutely no need to lease them if you get serious about this flyer marketing, as doing just one show could easily pay for a printer that fits the bill. However, one nice thing about these printing services is that you can have them ship the finished flyers directly to your vendor, and the ease of doing this is unparalleled. You wouldn't even need to handle the flyers yourself, shipping is covered, and best of all we've discovered some sites that can print these double-sided color flyers at 10 cents per page (shipping included!)

      I can see developing your own products in this niche turning into an incredible cash cow. You could simply purchase one of these products from Clickbank, and then refine the sales page and product to be even better, and then sell it at these shows - pocketing the sales price instead of having to settle for an affiliate commission! This would really cause your ROI to skyrocket, and you'd have much more control over product quality/content as well (which is crucial to long-term profitability).

      Paul
  • I thought I would check out moxicopy...

    When I compared the same job there to usaprintingtrade.com I found it to be much more expensive, even with the free shipping.

    moxicopy - 2000 double sided flyers (color) on 20# paper = $190
    100# paper (Text Gloss) = $290 (Free Shipping)

    usaprintingtrade - 2000 double sided flyers (color) on 100# Gloss Text (I assume it's the same as above) = $154.75 with UPS Ground shipping included to the same Zip as above.

    Now the interesting thing is that with "UPS 3 Day Select" shipping the total is $231.42, still less than moxicopy and if you had to get it there fast (2 Day Air) it barely comes in over moxicopys price...$298.63

    Maybe I input something wrong but if you're going to do 1000 or more flyers then usaprintingtrade is the way to go, if it's less than 1000 (or a smaller order) then I think moxi might be better (usaprinting doesn't offer lower amounts).
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    • Robert, thanks for letting me know. I played around with the printing quotes online, but I never did try using a quantity of 2,000. Evidently moxicopy is cheaper for a quantity of 1,000 flyers, but usaprintingtrade is the best choice if you're getting 2,000 or more made at one time.

      Paul
  • Paulie, I have had my sales pages built for me. My copy writing skills are limited at best. Thanks to an EXCELLENT WSO I bought right here last week I'm learning to build Facebook Fan Pages that actually convert. (Mine looked awful.) Traci over delivered in spades. The QR codes are on everything that goes out of this office. Using a great link cloaker I have very few people bother to go around my link. The rate of clicks on QR codes seems to be about doubling each month. (Last June it was hardly anything)

    I guess I'm about to own a printer. My printer guy has a refurb for a reasonable price and it comes with a warranty contract. I'm not only doing my own printing but I'm taking in contract printing from the office building across the street. Helps pay for my costs. I got a buy on some very small memory sticks and had my company name put on them. People put their jobs on it and bring it in. Goes right in the printer. I don't know what my printing costs are but my office assistant could tell you down to a quarter cent. If it wasn't 2:00 am on Sunday morning I'd call her and ask.

    Unless you become a super, super, super affiliate marketer nothing is ever going to pay as well as doing your own products. (Plus its cool) The book I bought the rights to is now a 250 page printed book on Amazon's Create Space (made me an instant authority). Plus three Kindle books. Plus a Clickbank product (which has only made four sales.) Plus another product that I don't want to comment on here. Its my offline business.

    Thomas
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    • Hey Thomas, what link cloaker are you using?
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  • This is REAL marketing at play! So often we fall into the trap/comfort of never getting up from our computer, never making actual contact with humans. I love the approach and think you should test video and/or some other list-building tactic...since you've proven you can generate traffic to your link.

    Great work!
    Bill
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    • Why are you worried about success stories from anonymous members of a forum? Don't get me wrong, the WF is great and filled with lots of actionable advice but at the end of the day either you think this is feasible or you don't.

      What other people do, or don't do, have little bearing on you and your success.

      If you think this will work for you put some plans into action.

      Nothing provides better clarity.



      Agreed. I wouldn't worry about gravity and a low gravity doesn't necessarily mean its a low performing product. There are other variables involved.

      What's more important is a quality product and a quality sales page. In fact this could be another opportunity. If the sales page is lacking offer to "refresh" it. For a modest fee of course.

      Thomas,

      What are you embedding in the QR codes. Is it just a link to the website or are you using additional information?

      I agree wholeheartedly about making your own product. Besides not sharing the sale with the product creator you're developing a list of buyers.

      You can also break out of the digital world and sell physical products (which some argue have a higher perceived value).

      And that list of buyers we talked about. Can you say continuity program??

      Kevin
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  • Wow Dave, I'm having one of those "Why didn't I think of that?" moments... lol Great Idea!
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    • Really clever work there Dave! Outside the box. Thanks for the story and heads up.
  • Kevin, Warrior "Thedog" put in a link to an excellent quick article on codes. He also mentioned its a bit early for the codes here in the U.S. which I agree with, BUT, I'd rather be a bit early than a whole lot late. There is a thing called "reticular activation" (just Google it) which is how your brain sorts the mass of information your eyes see. Great copy writers know all about this. Start looking for QRs and you will suddenly see them everywhere. I knew they were going to be big last summer when I saw a man teaching his 12 year old daughter how to track produce at Wal-Mart. I use them mainly to direct users to mobile websites with online home tour videos. Its working well enough that I now have several imitators right here in the Tampa area. (One guy even stole my sales copy.) Think about this. A year ago I doubt there was a single thread, or even a mention, of QRs here in the forum. Now they get talked about every day in lots of threads.

    Thomas
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    • Yeah that is coming for sure. Like I've said I fairly new to IM and up until 5-6months ago I was still searching for "my system". I whole heartedly believe that the key to success is to find one thing that works and perfect it-then move on. I am still perfecting. With that said, Producing my own product in the form of my WSO has been a really cool experience all the way around, and I am looking to do more. Although I don't think I'll be making my own woodworking plans packages soon.




      No problem, I should have a vid. about using that tool out to everyone that bought by Tues. or Wed.
      Wife is fine small glitch with a pacemaker (stupid computers!), she's a trooper and takes it very well. Back home tomorrow.
      Next show is this Thursday at 5PM EST. I was supposed to be on Caliban's show Saturday night but......had to cancel.
      I think that they are becoming a must have at lightning speed now that they have been elevated to a "conscious" level. Exactly what you said "they are everywhere!" Since it has been talked about on this thread I have be seeing them everywhere. Turns out I have been looking at them for months in magazine and just not noticing. It's coming fast!!!! It's just going to take one large cell network to promote it hard on a TV commercial as a standard feature-bang you'll have to be there.

      It's so cool that this thread has gotten so many folks to come together as a group and do some real thinking and collaborating. Thank You to everyone that has participated, I hope everyone is getting as much out of it as I am.
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  • Wow this is a really great offline marketing idea. I have also thought about doing the same thing on college campuses.
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  • Paulie, I didn't invent that concept. Its been around for a long long time. I remember writing a paper on this in college many years ago. I think the military used it to train soldiers on priority thinking in high stress environments. Early TV advertisers stumbled over this when radio (audio) advertising suddenly became TV (visual) advertising. Ad companies were dumbfounded to discover they could make us eat, drink, smoke or buy just about anything by making us "see" what was always there. A couple of months ago I spent $68 and let a Columbia University psychologist waste 455 pages of my time to tell me what Dave summed up in three sentences.
    Look at it this way. Dave suddenly "saw" a boat load of concentrated, single purpose, impulse buyers with money (that were always right there for anyone, including him, to see.) Once he "saw" that, it was impossible for him to "unsee" it. (technically his brain just automatically assigned a much higher priority on the visual input) After this was brought into his "conscious awareness" he could look around and see endless REPEATABLE opportunities. This, along with actually TAKING ACTION is the stuff of great success.

    Thomas
  • Dave, thank you very much for your inspiring story. I have been been thinking to work offline for last couple of months but didn't get that motivation to go out. You are putting me in trouble to take action now
  • I think the flyer looks great...good job dog!
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    • Thanks dude, ye, I think I managed to put the relevant info on with out making it too cluttered. So, gonna throw another on the back.

      Good luck with your show, let us know how it goes.
  • My walk-in attempt this past weekend didn't result in any sales so far. I hope that something will trickle in over the next week or so. I did get 3 people checking out the page, but no sales. I'm gearing up for the one this coming weekend where I have a partner. The upcoming show has an expected attendance of 3000 people specifically targeted to the subject. I hope more will come of course. <grin>

    So this weekend will be the big test for me.
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    • How many people attended?
      How many fliers handed out?
      Was your offer even targeted in the least?
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  • alrighty I need a bit of advice. I've always been an adsense guy.. just signed up for clickbank. This next weekend, there's a huge horse show in town and I understand there will be over 200 vendors there. For a guy that's never even been on cb before, can someone offer how they would approach the "horse" topic? Any of those products that you more seasoned cb folks might jump on over others? what should I be looking for?
    Thanks for any advice.
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    • Just do a search for the most popular horse products, or highest gravity. Have a look at the product page. If it looks good, put yourself in the customers shoes, go with your gut.

      I seen one on there for how to make your horse look like a fairy tale hose, no bull

      All about how you can give your horse an long dashing mane! I didn't even know this was, or could be done.

      Or something along the lines on how to deal with a problem horse?
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  • Dog: That flyer looks great and you need no relief or special treatment on the QR. One of the cool things is you can print them on just about anything (even tee shirts) and they will scan. Another is that people who have the app will use it and explain it to their friends just to be cool. They are going viral so fast I just saw the first ad for a Motorola phone (Verizon I think) that had the QR app listed as a feature. I maintain a website (and now a Facebook Page) for a friend who sells Boost Mobile phones. I talked him into pre-installing the app on all the phones he sells and it helps him in his pitch to customers. It must have been a good idea because two other Boost dealers are suddenly doing the same thing in their advertising. (Reminds me of the guy who recently stole a bunch of copyrighted material and thought I'd be flattered. My lawyer conveyed my lack of enthusiasm in the C & D letter.) Don't know if you got my PM or not but there are a lot of redirect scripts out there. Not to get too promotional here but I use the one with the words Easy and Redirect in the title (No, I'm not an affiliate)
    Josh: My guess is that you're about to discover two things other marketers have already found out about. 1. People will spend more on their pets than they will on themselves or their kids or whatever. AND they don't go discount. They often equate how much they spend with how much they love their pet. (Like the dog is gonna know or give a crap how much you spent on his deluxe water bowl.) 2. The bigger the pet, the more they spend. North of me near Ocala is horse country. Those people have money and they spend money. Some of them really get obsessive. Its a market that also seems to be more recession resistant than most others. There is a famous story Frank Kern used to tell about a lady will no IM experience who wrote a course on teaching horses to dance. (I'm not makin' that up, its called dressage.) With a list of about 800 people she launched a $2,000 course and made around $140,000 in a heartbeat. She was concerned that her email only got a 75% open rate. 75%!!!! for God's sake. I fight like hell to get 20% and most marketers will tell you that's about average.
    Good luck to both of you. Its not enough to have the keys to the kingdom. You have to put the key in the lock and turn it.

    Thomas
  • Just wanted to share an email I got from a printer...might help someone.

    Dear Customer :

    Please review the estimate attached and feel free to call us with any questions.

    Please keep in mind our "PRICE MATCH GUARANTEE" we will match or beat your lowest price quote. Our promise is "High quality printing & lowest prices guaranteed."

    If you have a lower estimate, please forward it to us and we will beat it by 5%!

    Thank You

    Hooman Shirian
    Phone: 323-654-5902

    USA PRINTING




    (not an affiliate link)

    Might be a good chance to save some money on printing all...good luck!
  • This could make me millions living in Vegas.

    Thanks for getting my head to spin with ideas
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    • Holy cow, best city ever for this model <jealous>

    • I was just thinking the same thing.....


      I wish I lived in Vegas.... There are so many trade shows there.... This would KILL.

      If you have a week or two to prepare before the show and don't do this last minute....

      GotPrint is REALLY cheap....

      so is.... Search Results for "freeecaards.com"

      don't know if I spelled that right....
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  • Wow Warriors, Dave really hit this one out of the park. Nearly 500 posts on this thread. Shows the potential of this place. I don't think he even intended to do a WSO when this started. Shows that even a fairly new Warrior can come in here and make a big, big contribution. I never do "atta boy" comments just to run up a count. Don't you make a habit of this either. Its irritating to others. About once a year I try to start a good relevant thread. (It always gets immediately deleted by the same mod. Everyday I thank God I don't have to walk around with his ego.) I go back to my world, the sun keeps shining, and the forum goes on. I've purchased two WSOs in the last week. This never happens because I'm really cheap. Both were by fairly new Warriors. One had gigantic problems because she was inexperienced and wasn't prepared for so much success (we should all have this problem), the download was huge, and, of course, some people can't follow simple instructions, etc, etc. (The WSO was sold in 24 countries and counting.) Still, it was one of the best things I've ever bought on the WF because IT FITS WITH WHAT I AM ALREADY DOING AND I PUT IT IN ACTION THE SAME DAY. I was up till 3:00 AM getting everything working and I DON'T CARE! Its now a part of my arsenal of tools. I charged my test customer 4 times what I paid for the WSO and had the money in my PayPal at 10:00 AM the next morning.
    I was on Skype with a friend all afternoon and we went through this thread post by post. Besides the original concept, which is out of this world, no less than 20 other side bar ideas were tossed around. My hat is off to you Dave. Just being introduced to GIMP was worth this whole thread. (I've spent all day on it and still haven't made much progress.) Most of my income now comes from ideas I have found here on the WF or from contacts I've made here. New people, Focus on ONE thing, LEARN IT and DO IT WELL. Then add a second method and then a third. NEVER put all your eggs in Google's basket. (Offline marketing is good for avoiding this.) I make a weeks worth of plans every Sunday. If you try to plan too far out it becomes an excuse for putting things off. I try my best to do 5 things everyday. (3 is lazy and 7 is too many). Don't worry too much about where you live or don't. The internet has eliminated that problem and every place has opportunities.

    Thomas
  • Amir Luis, you and I are on the same wave length. I live four miles from the Florida State Fairgrounds. There is something going on there all the time. (Another huge RV show coming up, gun show last weekend, etc.) Also, like everywhere else we have a bunch of local festivals. Florida Strawberry Festival going on right now. (12 miles from me) Wish I'd had this thread a couple of weeks ago. I'm doing a test handout of 2,000 fliers but I'm sure not sending traffic to Clickbank. Have a whole other game plan going on. I spent $100 getting a flier set up because I can't learn GIMP fast enough to do me any good. (but I will) Printed the thing right in my office and took them over there a couple of days ago. I got 14 leads today and I know from past experience my leads are worth about $45 each on average. The lady I'm dealing with only wants a domain I own which cost me a whole $7.67. I've had it for sale for $2,000. She doesn't know it but I'm going to reimburse her booth rental. Well worth it to me just for the contacts she gave me. Pay it forward people, it really works. She and her significant other are doing about 34 festivals this year so I'm sure hoping this works out. I won't even have to leave town. Just ship her fliers.
    Also been thinking about sports venues. We have Professional Hockey, Major League Baseball and Professional Football (sort of) right here in Tampa. If anyone has any idea about how to tap into these huge crowds just jump right in. I'm thinkin' memorabilia, licensed products, etc. I was stuck at a traffic signal in front of Bucs stadium yesterday. Just looking around. Dave's idea about the parking vendors really peaked my interest. Ideas anyone?

    Thomas
  • Just great idea
  • I was thinking this too... should I price everything in Euro... I don't think I'll bother, maybe it will hurt a few sales, maybe not.

    My show is coming up on the 18th, not too late to re touch the flyers, as they haven't gone off to the printer yet... hmmm, maybe a disclaimer at the bottom, explaining why everything is priced in U.S. $?
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    • IMHO you should not do this. I don't know hows the situation in China, but lets say if you go to central London you get bombarded with various flyers: free international calls, hookers, religious propaganda and so on. The point I want to make here is that that kind of stuff is much more "offensive" then a nice flyer promoting a product that the audience is interested in
    • I just sent this email out to the WSO buyers list. I though it was fitting so I figured I'd post it too.

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  • No need to worry fellas. If you are from UK then on the order form the amount of money you need to pay for the Clickbank product will be shown in GBP
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    • But the main sales page shows $.
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  • @ rd5, I don't get your point at all... how is putting a disclaimer at the bottom of the flyer, informing people "price is quoted in U.S. Dollar"... offensive?

    I was thinking something simple along the lines of...

    "All prices are quoted in U.S. Dollar. This will be converted to Euro equivalent during the pament process."

    This should clear up any confusion... before I go sending these off to the printers, I'd really like some feedback on this...

    Leave disclaimer in, or take it out?

    The only problem I see with this is, I've used * beside all $ ref's, so, could, at first glance, look like there's a condition to the price?
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    • Yeah, I'd be inclined to leave out the asterisks and just put the note down at the bottom with a *. Makes less of a big deal out of it. Though this is a good question - does the payment page really get geolocated by Clickbank to the local currency? Not entirely sure of that, needs checking.

      Could you quote the prices in pounds though, and then put the note at the end? Or is that what you've done. I know it's a bit messy because then it's an approximate price. $37 is 22.90 GBP - erm, whaat! You could make that 23 pounds I suppose, or 22.99! And then at the bottom say that the price is subject to conversion and will be charged in dollars (and you can say that's why it's such good value because they are getting the dollar price )
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  • What a fantastic idea and great to see you succeed so well with it first time!! Good luck Im sure you are going to be a great success with your determined focus and positive mindset!
  • Post #500 is pure Gold. Read those last two paragraphs again and again. Your comfort zone has a rubber band attached. If you try to outrun your comfort zone the rubber band will only pull you back to where you are now. Trick is (and this isn't just words) to push your comfort zone out in front of you a bit every day. The rubber band effect will keep pulling you along.
    Thomas

    If you have a question for Clickbank they aren't exactly on the moon. Idaho just
    looks like they are. (The way you can tell the difference is, potatoes won't grow on the moon.)

    1-800-390-6035
    1-208-345-4245
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  • What types of Clickbank products do y'all think contractors and construction company managers would potentially want to buy?
  • great stuff

    I like the fact that you got out and saw real people...

    Cannot get into your program yet-- promised my guru trainer to first get his stuff making money-- but is there any way to keep your program on a back burner for me... ?

    thanks
    JohnA
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    • Banned
      You can keep it on the back burner yourself.....just buy it now while it's available, but don't look at it until you've got the other thing working for you. It's only $14.00.
  • OK I designed a 4x6 flyer that you usually see used to promote clubs etc. There is very little info on it so far, not much of a script really. Do you think this would be effective or should it really be a 8.5x11? PM me your email address if you want to give me an opinion on the flyer, I will send it to you.
  • How much would you charge??? Southeast Asian pricing?

    I would be interested but am still going through the WSO.

    The reason I don't travel the way you do DOG is because I am an offliner by trade. I have so many clients right here in my own backyard. I travel once a month... but never out of the US.

    Maybe things will change.... who knows.
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    • First one is free, a review copy.

      Well, Eastern price ish

      My overheads are much lower, so of course less than the freelance rate, back in Dublin. I'd charge at least $40ph back home.

      It's a 2 - 3 hour job, so $40 is as low as I'd go, any less and it's not really worth my time.
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  • Sent you some PMs.... Doggie Dog...
  • So you're printing them on your printer @ home?

    How much would that cost you for 300?
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    • Pending on your printer... About one cartridge of ink.

      If you have a cheapy printer... then about halfway through the run the quality goes down. WAY down.


      So I would suggest only printing a few at a time in blocks. Let the printer rest....
      then go again...... and again.... and again....


      Could take you quite some time and about $50 to do 300 on your home cheapy printer.

      If you have a commercial printer. Different ball game.

      Really Time vs Cost.... I would have them printed at the local print shop.


      On another note... If you picked the right offer... You could put out 500 fliers per day in high end residential neighborhoods... Depending on your sales copy... and the amount of due dilligence you have for putting out fliers.

      That is 2500 per week.

      2500 x 1% conversion rate... (industry standard) is 25 sales.

      25 x $20 = $500
      2500 x $.03 = $75 (b&w printing)

      $500 - $75 = $425

      $425 - $25 = $400 (fuel/travel)

      So that would be $400 per week in between expo shows if you don't have a bunch of events going on in your local area.

      Quite honesty.... looking at Dogs design and seeing the marketing principles that he has put into them... if you had him do your flier. There is no reason why you couldn't get a 2-3% conversion rate....

      So... minimum $500 gross per week.

      Maximum unlimited... but average $900 - $1200

      Once you find the offer that converts.... you have some one else do the walking of the neighborhoods.... pay some one to put the fliers out for you.

      And put out 10,000 per week and not 2,500. Another words, quantify your results.
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  • I'm not going to post it because there are a lot of freeloaders on here who will completely copy my product, similar domain, flyer, etc. lol
  • Oh and DOG--NICE WORK SIR!!!!!
  • This is a one page flyer?

    Nice work indeed. I'd love to see a printable version. Beautiful stuff. I may have a friend that wants the service too.
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    • When he finishes mine I will send you a PDF so you can print and see his work in live action....


      I am going to do this model as a hobby.

      See what becomes of it....

      Also... I do some print advertising for my other business interests... it is always good to have a good designer on call...

    • Hey John, cheers. Yes, one page flyer. I'm going to one up for Amir, he said he'll pm you that when it's done.

      Later.
  • This is a brilliant idea. Thank you so much!! A super inexpensive way to make real money..,
  • I get fliers put on my car at Costco all the time. Mostly for landscape services,
    carpet cleaning and Chinese take out. Most of the time they are butt ugly and
    poorly done. Still, they must get some conversions or they'd quit doing them.
    I wonder if any of them have ever split tested anything? Its absolutely critical!

    Thomas
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    • You are absolutely right.... Critical....

      But often times... when you are targeting a parking lot.... you don't have a target demographic to shoot for...

      Understanding ones target demographic is KEY to any marketing campaign...

      Especially print media.

      By doing homes... you can target income and age range fairly easy...

      Also.... putting fliers on doors is not illegal.

      Inside the mailbox... yes... illegal.

      Taped with blue painters tape to the side of the mailbox.... grey area that the postal workers aren't even sure of.....

      I bought a 150cc scooter and would roll through neighborhoods with 2 acre yards and paste the fliers to the side of the mailbox. On a scooter you can put out a BUNCH fast.... Walking takes a WHOLE lot of time... Especially when they are far apart...

      Just sayin....
  • Very interesting to see so much information packed into a flyer. Generally, flyers tend to be very minimalistic as most people on the move don't have time to stop and read through tons of information. I have a stack of flyers in my room, everything is kept very brief on all of them.

    It's even more of a challenge when people are being bombarded with flyers at conventions/events and you need to get your message across within a couple of seconds of your flyer being seen by anyone.

    I've worked with print advertising, and it seems that one of the most effective things is to present an irresistible offer that requires the flyer in order to redeem it, and can only be redeemed in a very limited time.

    Ted's Woodworking is listed as an item that has been discounted from $197 to $67 - it's things like that that catch peoples' eyes.
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    • Pictures Tell... but words sell.....

      Proven marketing principal. I guess it depends on the presell tactic you are using, and this is something that can be split tested. Also another factor is your target demographic.

      I have repeatedly split tested with the middle age two kids $100,000+ annual income and words sell...

      Now if I am marketing to a kid that lives with his parents still... I might want to keep it as short as the attention span. But not likely... the ones that don't read it all will just go to the website or whatever call to action you use.

      Really.... words sell....

      I absolutely agree with creating urgency. Another marketing principle that works. Limited time offer etc. Generally people will not get to your offer RIGHT AWAY like you want them to. Just been my experience. They will call or follow the call to action on their terms. Not yours.

      So setting a limit on time for the offer is a great idea.

      Just being able to manage that with clickbank offers.... I don't know.....
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  • This action is so brilliant, show>clickbank affiliate>fliers, you got targeted potential buyers, that is why you succeeded.

    Thanks for sharing this great idea!
  • I can see a lot of applications for this idea.

    Thanks for sharing.
  • OMG thats what I call being street wise! Very creative and a not so obvious way of marketing. Good job and keep up!
  • Wow..Great new thing to learn. I think i should have a go as well
  • What a crazy good idea! Wow! That makes me want to dance! Thanks For The Great Ideas!
  • About a third of my fliers at The Florida Strawberry Festival are gone. I have about 140 leads. About one in five will become a customer (average about $80-$120) so I'm going to come out ahead with three more days to go.

    Thomas
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    • Thomas,

      Just curious if you're an affiliate or if its your own product??

      And is it digital or physical??

      Kevin
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    • Would you mind sharing the offer you are promoting at the festival?
      Is that $80-120 per customer or for 5 customers?

      TFS
      Judy
  • promo via flyer does really works, so this are good stuff do do man
  • is it web based?
  • Fantastic. Well done mate.
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    • Just sent this email out to the group, wanted to make sure everybody saw it.

  • The information you gave out was truly informative Dave, congrats on your excellent marketing idea. it makes me happy to see that a regular person like myself really can make it in this business without having to be an internet guru. your idea is simple and very easy to follow thank you

  • Saw it.... I am excited for you...

    I wondering if you can record it for us. I have some preset appointments with offline clients today. I will be unable to attend the show....

    Can you record?

    That would be awesome...

    By the way... if you are seeing this before the email I sent you... disregard the email.
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    • Amir,

      Someone last week mentioned that they were recording it. I can't remember whom but maybe we can get someone to start recording all of them. I always like to go back and listen again.

      Vic
  • You can record through ScreenFlow.... the host has to record though....
  • No, not Clickbank products. Navigating government programs for mortgage restructuring for people facing foreclosure. Help with short sales. Two products
    of my own and one that I am an affiliate. Tampa is very hard hit by the housing
    crash. These won't work everywhere but I have a number of ideas for things that
    will. Biggest item for me is finding people to work with at these events who are
    reliable and absolutely honest.

    Thomas

    Most of what I found on the internet about short sales was junk or just plain wrong.
    I created a 109 page report. Ran it by a great real estate attorney ($600), made
    changes, added forms, got a pro to design a cover ($200) and have been selling by
    one means or another for about seven months. This flier program is just one more
    way to get the message out. It sells better at $49.95 than any other price. I'm
    developing a backsell product to go along with it. I also get referral fees for those
    whose situations are too complex for them to deal with on their own.
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    • I was really expecting a farming/recipe type product but the more I think about it the more it makes sense.

      The RE crunch is affecting a lot of people.

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  • Thanks for your insight Dave. Your post has inspired me to look at things with a different angle.
  • Anyone having problems getting Talk Market Now to load? I have tried several times in the last few minutes and it only loads 90%.

    Vic
  • I hope someone has recorded Dave on TMN today. Never did the get site to load past 90%. That sucks. No help or contact link for TMN that sucks too. Sorry for sounding like I'm PO but I am. Might be my PC but it has been working for TMN.

    Vic
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    • I'll have a recording of tonight's show up at one of my websites in about an hour here. The site isn't finished so not much to see, but I'll have the show up. This was an awsome show BTW!!!! Ton's of good ideas.......

      Show Archive HERE
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  • Dave Iago!
    OMG! this case study just blew my head. Such a brilliant yet simple idea, Perfectly executed and brought the results which every one would love to achieve.

    Targeted traffic is always a boon, but finding such an amazing way to capture the targeted people was simply awesome.

    Thanks a lot for sharing the mind blowing technique with us!
    Hope we can apply it into other ideas as well.

    thanks to others as well, who have shared different innovative ideas within reply posts.
  • What a brilliant idea Dave.
    Keep up the great work.
  • Picked up my third show a few minutes ago and it's in a very popular niche too

    Three shows...three different niches, should be interesting to see which does the best.

    The lady I have passing out my flyers is scheduled to go to six shows in the next two months and two of them get over 40,000 people each. I'm going to send her 10,000 flyers to start and see if thats enough...hopefully it's not
  • I made the flyers in PowerPoint by the way.
  • Thank you so much for the ideas. I'm right on it.
  • OK I am rethinking this test. How's this offer Classic Car Restoration Help, Auto A-Z Restore Cars Fast

    I have just a couple days left... the website for the car show is here Palm Beach Car Auction:* Hollywood Dream Car Auctions with hundreds of Muscle, Classic and Collector Cars
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    • Better to just listen to you guys then do my own thing and later complain that "Oh it didn't work."
    • I like the fit. What's it pay? you need it to pay >$20 if it converts well.
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  • Dave,
    What's the reason you do double-sided fliers? Wouldn't it be cheaper to just go with one side or is it because you try to get the whole sales page included?
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    • I guess I just want of get as much of the salespage as possible. I've just never tried a 1 sider. Try It! maybe it converts better.
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  • I think TheDog said he had two different offers. Maybe put one stack of front side and one stack of flip side and see which flier gets picked up the most.

    Jaybee; I'm working with a real estate company that represents bank owned (and
    about to be bank owned) houses. That number is an average. I can make as little as
    $20 on up to as much as $300 for a referral sale. My Product I produce right here in
    my office. The one I sell for $49.95 (plus shipping) costs me right at $4.75 to make.
    I had about $1,000 up front costs so I didn't get into profit before my 24th sale. I've now sold 279 in 7 months so I think I'm doing pretty well for my first product. Closed today at the Festival. 181 leads so far should by some means turn into 36 customers. I got a little spike in my traffic and made 7 book sales yesterday and 5 today. (All with central Florida addresses.) My tracking wasn't set up correctly so I have to guess that they came from the flier. Wish I'd have had a little more time with this. Everything was rushed. My Realtor got 23 hits on home tour videos with my tracking ID. We have to have the programmer come in and do a little work this week. Its impossible to tell if it was 23 separate people or one person going through all the videos. Mostly investors go there. Be nice if one of them turns into a sale.

    Thomas
  • Ok.... I don't know if Book Fairs are a good place to promote online books...

    I walked the U of A campus today looking for someone to recruit as an affiliate. This book fair was HUGE... Did not get a single bite... I got their late... Wasted a lot of this morning at the print shop... By the time I got there... the fair was HUMMING... really bad timing on my part. Everyone was so busy trying to sell their hard copy books or national park or whatever...

    The thought of promoting an ebook... "The Devil" in they eyes of hard core book nerds everywhere... did not go well....

    So I started handing fliers to people as they passed... till the cops showed up...

    SO... I hit the parking garages... Outside of each garage there were volunteer college students wearing orange vests... I walked past them and hit every windshield I could...

    Until the cops showed up.

    It was fun while it lasted... Tomorrow... I have 3 employees engaging in a simultaneousness attack on separate garages.


    What I learned today....

    Have a vendor signed up BEFORE the event.

    If not....

    Get THERE EARLY!!!!
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    • Amir,
      Your post cracked me up - I could picture wandering around and getting chased by cops!! David does suggest contacting someone ahead of time - but then we heard what happened to Rsberg! I have started researching some of the events coming near me - but I haven't actually contacted anyone yet. I would love to hear if you made money the second day.....
      And if anyone else has done this successfully - please share details...
      Also - I liked your other post about his poor grammar (the letter from the organizer)- inexcusable. This is a perfect example of how poor grammar can really get you in trouble! he! he! I noticed that too when I was reading it.
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    • He can't spell....

      resend
         
      [ree-send] Show IPA
      –verb (used with object), -sent, -send·ing.
      1.
      to send again.
      2.
      to send back.

      Rescind
         
      [ri-sind] Show IPA
      –verb (used with object)
      1.
      to abrogate; annul; revoke; repeal.
      2.
      to invalidate (an act, measure, etc.) by a later action or a higher authority.


      He essentially asked you to please re-contact each vendor.

      I know this is semantics... but I am always up for "some antics"!

      Really it goes to show you the level of intelligence of the people you are dealing with. Don't let this get you down. It is none of his business whether the person renting a booth hands out fliers or not. IN FACT... plenty of booths hand out fliers... There is no way he could turn away that many vendors. He would not have a show. He would lose a LOT of money.

      I visited a show today.... 70% of the vendors had some sort of marketing leaflets they were handing out.

      You may need to change your approach a little. Establishing in laymen terms that you are not trying to sublease booth space. You are offering an additional revenue stream to the vendor/exhibitor by employing their service. With the lucrative opportunity of commission based performance pay.

      nuff said...
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    • That's too bad Rob... But really, what business is it of the organizer what the vendor decides to promote in his stall, he's paid for his space... so, as long as he's not promoting something offensive. Guess they just want more money.

      There's no real way for the organizer to know where someones flyers have come from, without directly asking them... or, what happened in your case.

      I can hardly see them policing peoples promotional material...

      Are you now asking organizers permission before you approach vendors?

      Oh, and do you feel bad... I mean he was "very upset"
    • Maybe all of us should send this guy an email telling him we were thinking about renting vendor space but since we can't have flyers, etc. in a booth that we rented for our own business we will just have to take our business to another show.

      I bet this would piss him off. Especially if he got a lot of emails. I might do this to see what kind of idiot answer I get.

      Vic
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    I finally took the time to go through this WHOLE thread... and i appreciate what you have contributed thus far...
  • David,
    I bought this WSO - excellent.
    It's a very easy yet innovative method to generate money. Your WSO really explained the idea. The main point you stress is just get out there and do it - I could not agree more. That's what makes the 5% who succeed and the 95% who fail....
    I am already searching for shows near me - I will let you know how it works out!
    Thanks for a great post and a really cool idea.
  • How do you guys go about picking a vendor?

    These are a few of the vendor categories at an upcoming show: Accessible Products, Appliances, Architectural Services, Asphalt, A/V Equipment, Awnings, Banks, Basement Windows, Builders and Land Developers, Building Materials/Tools, Cabinets, Cellar Doors, Chimney Restoration, , Closet Systems, Computer Services, Concrete, Consumer Items, Countertops, Decks/Patios, Driveway sealing, duct cleaning, elevators, energy efficiency products, fences, fireplaces, fitness equipment, flooring, foundations, garage doors, generators, geothermal/solar, gutters, heating/a/c, home energy savings, insulation, insurance, kitchens/baths, ladders, landscaping, lighting, marble/granite/cultured stone products, media, modular homes, outdoor living, etc, etc..

    Say, if I wanted to promote a clean/solar energy product, should I go to the energy efficiency vendors, geothermal/solar, or somewhere completely out of that niche? I'm afraid they would turn me away as competition if I went to an energy efficiency vendor.
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    • I ran into a similar listing recently and what I did was to search them all...but I usually only look for small mom and pop type businesses, better chance with those I think.

      As far as partnering with someone in hte same niche as the product that might cause issue but you never know until you ask. I think you'd be beter off approaching other vendors though.
    • Well, I think, as Dave already advised, go for the smaller outfits. You're more likely going to talk to the guy running the business, plus, they'll also want to make some extra cash.

      Choosing the right vendor also depends on what you're marketing. For example, if I'm marketing a Reiki product, well, I'm not going to approach a vendor who's offer this service already... especially when my flyers are telling people they can save money by doing these courses online.

      I think if you can find a vendor who's not in direct competition, but will also get allot of customers from every niche... food vendors are great, but I guess you need to meet them on the day, sometimes not ideal. For me, I managed to team up with a guy who's selling jewelry... I'm really happy with this, as I imagine I'll get much more footfall than if I went with someone doing accupuncture.

      For something like solar energy.. well, put yourself in the customers shoes.. Of course a specific solar or energy saving show is great, I think it would also do well at a diy show, home improvement, gardening etc... there's so many people that aren't even aware that you can build your own solar panels for $200... You're also helping save the planet
  • I'd have probably never have gotten into the Strawberry Festival if I hadn't known the vendor and a few of the people connected there. I also have some good references around the area. No private promoter there, they do their own.

    Thomas
  • I now have the next 6 weekends booked with shows with 4 different "partners" covering 4 different niches.

    Now I'm going to slow down a bit on scheduling to see the results plus I'm going to try out the magazine promotion idea....

    Looking forward to seeing how all this pans out
  • The only way to do a true split test of your copy is having multiple vendors at the show pushing the same offer.....


    One with one version... The other... well you get the idea.

    The reason I say this is because a different city is a totally different demographic. Total different train of thought.... different crowds.... blah blah blah....


    Either way... Dog... Most of the vendors give out flyers.

    That dude was just a douche....
  • I don't know about with 1&1 but with the others mentioned.... Yes... You do not have to change DNS.
  • Thanks Dave for sharing this idea , really gets the brain racig thinking of the endless variations on a theme.
    Thanks
    Paul
  • Great working idea Dave....Genious work to be done....
  • There will be results in.... after this weekend as to the result of single sided flyers....


    Just sayin...
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  • THat is so cool!

    I would be espcially interested in seeing more details on:

    1) How to approach/find the families to pass them out at the booth
    2) What your website looks like and how you set that up
    3) How you track the families' clicks so they can get a commission and you encourage them to presell

    Just brilliant - really impressed!

    Good job!
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    • Hi Emily, all your questions are handled on the thread and in the WSO.
  • Congrats Dave! Great out-of-box thinking and a great example for taking action without over-analyzing.
  • I don't see why everyone is so afraid to pick up the phone or better yet go out and meet people. That's my favorite part. (I hate email) I am trying to set up my second effort. First one was a little rushed and anything that could go wrong did. Got a list of vendors from the promoter, made exactly three phone calls, drove down to Sarasota and had lunch at Perkins with a really nice couple......done deal, I'm in. Don't make this hard people.

    Thomas
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    • Agreed... Picking up the phone is the fastest... and you can contact more people.... leveraging the law of numbers....
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  • That is awesome Dave, great work. Would really like to see a product like this, very cool.
  • That is pure awesome. Very intelligent. Just starting to get into "offline" marketing now and this is very inspiring.
  • For me personally its not so much a time issue as it is a logistics issue. I'm in Iraq at the US Embassy in Baghdad (8-11 hour time difference from the US) and the only phone I have is Skype which is great when all of the planets and stars align and all is right with the world. We have 1200 people on 4 megs of bandwidth, crappy weather, sand storms...etc etc...so relying on Skype is out of the question more often than not. Sending the initial contact emails has just been easier (and more reliable) for me but I realize thats just because of my situation...If I were stateside or had reliable internet I would probably skip that and just go with a phone call.
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    • Hey dude, had no idea... nice to see someone else on the other side of the world giving this a go.

      I have to use skype also... the internet I'm using right now, in my dorm, is not an option for skype, I need to head around to a coffee shop or hostel, sometimes it's just not feesable.

      Also, I think the main reason people don't use the phone is, fear. I think most people hate the idea of ringing a stranger, to try and pitch them anything, even if it is a great idea like this. It's just human nature. Like stage fright I guess.

      Of course, the more you do it the easier it gets.
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  • Congrats on your success and thank you for sharing your method. You just gave me some really cool ideas.

    Regards
  • I would agree that fliers that catch people's attention are a great way to get business. Sometimes, putting fliers on doors or something could work as well.
  • now this is the right idea and attitude to have when you want to become successful in your life...... the first move is on you and you make that first move the rest just get better.... so keep it up good money never sleeps.......
  • Very smart and creative.
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  • Here's a bit of a silly question. I received my flyers from the printer and curious how to get them into show as a paying customer going into the show. I've worked conventions before for my company, but as the vendor setting up and working the booth, so bringing in boxes or materials was the norm. I'm going to be paying obviously to get in as just a spectator (so to speak) and bring my flyers to my partner's booth.

    Just wondering if I'm going to be called out by any one as I'm walking into the event with a box of flyers....
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    • Maybe, if you have, "BOX OF FLYERS" in big writing, on your box of flyers.

      How many do you plan to bring? If it's around 1000 or 2000 they'd fit in a backpack no problem.
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    • I wouldn't wonder about that until you actually have that problem. If you did.. You could say, "It's a delivery for XXXX vendor..."

      But really... Not gonna happen...

      They have too much else to worry about.

      As far as phone calls go... I am a big proponent of phone calls...

      People who know me know this....

      The thing that proves what the Dog says about fear.... The post I replied to here...

      All these fears manifest before we take action... Then... We take action and find that those fears were baseless....

      Don't think.... Just do...


      DONE
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  • Yeah cool plan and idea
  • Hi Dave, Thanks for sharing your case study! Absolutely brilliant... zooming into an eager target market offline. You turned on a lot of my stagnant neurons. God bless!
  • I've been thinking about how this could be implemented at flea markets. There is a huge flea market in my area that gets thousands of visitors when they run it. And people go to flea markets to spend money. Not much money, but still to spend.

    So here's what I'm thinking. Most flea markets will have some niches covered that are popular with the crowd and obviously they sell or they wouldn't be coming back.

    Every flea market I've visited had a vendor selling pet care products - we could target them with a pet training CB product.

    Most will have several jewelry stands - could offer a product on making jewelry...

    Antique furniture stand - maybe product on refinishing antiques...

    Cleaning supplies - a product on secrets of getting any stain out...

    What do you all think?

    Obviously, the conversion rate would not be as high because only a small percentage of the flea market visitors would be interested in each particular topic. However, it seems to me that since most vendors at flea markets would make less money than the vendors at a convention, they would be more open to adding another source of income to their weekend. And many of them also work the flea markets regularly.

    Katerina
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    • We're on the same page. I'm going to check out a flea market in my area this weekend, with the same idea in mind.

      Will
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  • My only concern with the flea markets is since the traffic isnt targeted enough it might be tough to recoup the printing costs unless you could find several vendors that matched whichever product you decided to promote to pass out flyers for you.

    If you printed several different flyers to cover multiple products then the printing costs go up...

    I think if you were to pick one product and find 3 or 4 vendors willing to pass them out then you'd be OK...but maybe it wouldnt matter, just my opinion.

    Best of luck...please let us know how it did if you try it.
  • Can somebody tell me how to track where a sale is coming from? I understand that each vendor will be assigned a unique CB tracking number such as "place 1," "place 2," etc. But with one domain name purchase, how do I send it to multiple tracking numbers? Thanks!
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      You don't. If you use multiple vendors, you'll have to have either a domain for each vendor, or a page on one domain for each vendor. In either case, you will have to have different flyers printed for each vendor with their unique domain/page printed on them.
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  • Has anyone tried to get on Talk Marketing Now to listen to Dave today? Last week the site would not load and this week I am getting a 404 error, page can not be found.

    Vic
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    Then it died halfway through.....


    Edit...
    @ 248pm AZ TIME: Now he is back...
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    • Amir,

      I just tried to get to TMN again and still getting 404 error with IE and Firefox. I wish Dave would go with another host. Also Dave's website daveiago. com is dead.

      Vic
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  • brilliant idea. thanks
  • Thanks Dave, Do you know why TMN is still showing a 404 error?

    Did anyone get this weeks show recorded? Would like to see it.

    Vic
  • Hmm.. Thanks Dave for this great idea. There's a marriage convention coming up in my region and I was thinking what kind of Clickbank products would be best to promote?
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    • Go to CB and search for "Wedding"...

      Bound to find something worth taking a look at.
  • It is a good idea really. Thank you for sharing this info.
  • Dave,

    First of all thanks for sharing and second brilliant idea. I'm going to give that a try for sure. Many thanks Steve
  • Worked fine for me.
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    • I called two places, and have two appointments! Please do no fear!
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  • Great outside the box thinking, amazing story well done
  • Well... 2 days out of 3 with no flyers at my show.

    Last chance to salvage something from it, have to ring organizers later to see if they've found them.

    ***Warning to anyone trying this, especially if you're abroad***

    Make sure you use your own courier company/friend/yourself to deliver the flyers. I made the mistake of trusting a printers with this. I thought I was dealing with professionals.
  • OK so today is the last day of my 1st show and so far I have gotten a total of 12 hops to my CB products.

    As you may know, I'm trying 2 different products (1 per side) on each flyer.

    I have my flyers at a houseboat show and could only find 1 good boating related product. The funny thing is the product that actually relates to boating has only gotten 1 of those hops the other 11 came from the second offer...Teds woodworking plans. I put that on the back side of the flyer because the first product is boat building plans and I thought if someone was interested in possibily building their own boats they might want other woodworking plans as well.

    I haven't made any sales yet but I didn't really expect to in that few hops.

    I was wondering from those that have already done this...

    How many days did it take to start seeing sales, how many flyers were handed out versus number of hops/sales...etc etc. I think I remember Dave saying he saw sales as late as 3 weeks after a show but I would think some would come after the first day if they were really interested in the offer...could be wrong on that though.

    What are your thoughts?
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      Do you know how many of you flyers were given out? Did they get rid of all of them, or just a handful, or what?
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  • Hmmmm.... Had something suggested to me awhile ago and I'm just mulling it over.
    Vendor suggests putting my offer on the front of the flier (not Clickbank) and set him up with a Clickbank offer on the back. He'd never heard of Clickbank or affiliate marketing before so I'd pretty much have to do it for him BUT he is willing to do this without charging me anything for having my fliers at his booth. He's willing to just let the chips fall where they may and if he makes money, fine. Any thoughts on this?
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    • Hey Thomas, what do you mean by your offer? A separate product you've developed?

      Oh, and how long did it take you to explain how CB works?
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  • Wow. That is great information. Offline marketing is a great way to drive targeted traffic and you just inspired me with a great idea I will now try to implement.
  • *Show Results Update*

    I talked to my vendor/partner a few minutes ago and found out why the hop count was so low...

    He told me that the show was much smaller than expected and they only handed out about 150 flyers. The website for the show said they expected about 4000 - 6000 people to attend over the 3 day show. My partner told me it was only busy 1 of the 3 days and he didnt think even 1000 people attended in total.

    My hop count so far for the two CB products on the flyer is a whopping 22 hops with 1 order form impression...but no purchases.

    If he handed out about 150 flyers and I got 22 hops (so far) then that would be almost 15% hop rate (not that bad I guess) and 1 order form impression which would be a 4.5 % rate...again, not bad but it would have been nice if that would have been a purchase.

    Maybe an improved flyer design would have increased those numbers...maybe not...
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    • Hey Robert!

      I was wondering if you could PM me the template email you use when emailing vendors and the follow up email? Just looking for ideas to use in my emails

      Thanks!
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  • I knew the dam would break on QRs. Home Depot announced today that they are deploying QR codes throughout the store so that consumers can do research and make comparisons. The dominos will start to fall now.

    Thomas
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    • Thanks for sharing this. I've also seen the QR codes show up more and more in magazines and on business cards, and I think retailers will see a marked increase in responses over the coming year as market penetration of smartphones with the ability to read QR codes is going to increase dramatically.
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  • Thanks for the ino Dave...what a great idea!!!

    Neil
  • Wow, great idea... I am out here in Vegas and I know there are plenty of opportunities to do something like this! Research comes first... cool man!
  • Congratulations!! Really smart idea!
  • I am thinking about trying something and I thought I would run it by the forum for suggestions.

    The flyers I am using are sending propects directly to the affiliate product but what do you folks think about sending them to a squeeze page will a little details and mention that if they like this product to complete an email form to keep them informed about other products they might like.

    OR:

    I thought about adding something at the bottom of the flyer and saying something like this. If you like this product why not reply here with your email and I will keep you informed about products that might interest you.

    Tell me what you think.

    Vic
  • Has Anyone other than Dave had any reasonable success with this program? It doesn't sound like it thus far...
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    • rbeckwith, I wouldn't really call it a program. It's traditional advertising, and has proven to work for many decades. However, it's not something you just start making a ton of money from straight away. It's something that requires a lot of testing and scaling up. That is why you don't see people in this thread making thousands from it straight away.

      As someone else suggested, it's a very good idea to work on making deals with independent stores. When a shopkeeper is bagging someone's product upon purchase, imagine if they put a flyer in the bag each time. The offer needs to be good, and the deal with the store needs to be good. It's the real challenging part I think. But it can be rewarding.

      There's also the possibility of making deals with online stores where they may be willing to put your flyers in with the packages being sent out to the customers. Again, it needs to be a great deal and very professional. But just a few of these deals with stores can send a lot of money your way. You just then have to worry about constantly getting more flyers printed and delivered.

      This whole business model is also good for sort of getting your own product into stores (in a way). If you can get events and stores to advertise a Clickbank product, you can certainly get some to advertise your own. It gives you more control and the ability to capture leads and upsell/cross-sell/downsell.
  • ok...finally made a sale with this...

    1 for a total commission of $13.03...LOL

    I did talk to Dave and found out that I may have had my flyers at the same show he has some and his vendor has a very large display and attracts a lot of traffic.

    Also, the funny thing is I made the sale on my back-up CB product, not the main one that was related to the show. I did a wood working show with Teds woodworking plans on 1 side of the flyer and since the other woodworking products werent that great I decided to put the "As Seen On TV Recipes" on the back. My thinking was if the husbands took the flyers home and their wives saw the recipe side that maybe I could get some sales that way as well.

    I didnt sell any woodworking plans but 1 recipe ebook...go figure, LOL
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    • Thanks for reporting back, it's a little ironic that a recipe ebook ended up being sold from a flyer that was handed out at a wood working show...lol. By the way, were you promoting the 'famous restaurant recipes' ebook by Ron Douglas?

      Do you know how many flyers were passed out in the end? I know with flyers it can be a little hit and miss sometimes, and a lot can depend on the crowd that turns out at the event. Weather can be a factor as well, especially if the event is outdoors or at a location that may be a little out of the way.
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    Interesting.

    Wouldn't it be easier to ask shop owners if they'd be interested instesd ofdoing trade fairs? It's much easier to scale I would have thought.

    Say bridal shop owners?

    Have a bunch of flyers made up promoting one of the "how to save money on your wedding" guides on Clickbank.

    If they say yes and they have a pile of flyers on their shop counter offer them $10 or $15 for each sale.

    I reckon that would work well.

    and on the back the recipes ebook
  • I have lined up a local hardware/building supply store that actually owns 2 other stores in other towns. The owner has agreed to display the flyers in all 3 stores.

    I am using a woodworking offer but I would like to get the forums thought of maybe using the back for a landscaping product instead of both sides for woodworking. As you may or may not know counter space is usually small so I figured a double offer might work the best.

    Any thoughts?

    Vic
  • I suggest moving away from woodworking, lol! Neat product, Ted's Woodworking - I sell a few online as it happens, but maybe it's time to be a LITTLE more original!
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    • It's only 1 of 5 different niches I have set up over the next several weeks...

      I know it wasn't very original but thought it was worth a shot...live and learn.
  • Sure, I just wonder if Dave meant for so many people to go for that same niche when he shared this approach Actually I looked at other Clickbank products etc. (a LOT of junk) and came to the conclusion that this woodworking niche was one of the better ones. TW converts and pays pretty well for me on a site where I happened to already be promoting it, and it has a decent sales page and all those important things. A lot of products look like they might work for this approach but the presentation of them just doesn't inspire confidence - even when they have a reasonable gravity etc.
  • Excellent Idea Dave. I'm glad it's working for you. I think this concept would also work in Flea Markets as Well. I Will have to mull this one over and see what I can work out. Excellent Offline Marketing Idea. Thanks for Sharing Dave!
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    • Just putting my bit in. I once read that if you're going into this seo/web consultancy you should use your name with seo on the end of it to create a 'brand' and 'presence' online. It is easy to get high Google listing with that keyword. If they look you up on google then they will find you top and think you are a genius.

      AJ
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  • Granting your own success Dave. Good job..You had my thumbs up right here...
  • Great story, and thanks for your tips, bookmarked
  • Your idea is wonderful, but more important is that your execution and attention to detail. I appreciate your sharing with us what you think. Have you ever try to market to college? Would like to know if you have any contact, trying to help students market CB products?
  • Wow, I'm starting to see why this forum is so popular Great post!
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  • any chance to get the flyer images back up for demo?
  • So far not one person reporting descent results with this method. I`m starting to wonder!!!!
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    • They're keeping very quiet about it Dave was very generous to share this method - can you imagine how many lurkers took this and ran with it? A tiny percentage of people ever report back, and a tiny percentage of people ever post their success on the forum because they don't want other people muscling in.
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  • brilliant post sir Dave! very realistic and unique idea.
  • Awesome story
  • Subscribed!!!!

    I need to read through when i have more time, but kudos so far.








  • Best of luck to those who decide to go with it, I hope you have a better experience than I did.

    Robert
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    • Thanks for sharing this, Robert. I was already pretty sure that flyer advertising is a fairly low percentage proposition, based on some flyer distribution (not at shows though) that I've done in the past. It wouldn't make economic sense to have these flyers handed out at smaller shows, as you really are only going to see results when 1,000 or more are handed out, given the typical low conversion rates one gets from this type of marketing.

      Your advice about seeking out partners who do multiple (larger) shows on a fairly frequent basis is very prudent, since it wouldn't make much sense to ship out flyers to vendors who can only hand out limited flyers at a smaller event - you'd at least want one who went to multiple shows fairly frequently so that several thousand flyers or more could be handed out within the space of a few weeks or less.

      Paul
    • Robert,

      Thank you for reporting the results. As was mentioned in an earlier post, there were not many good success stories posted from implementing this methods. I'm sure many people, like me, were waiting to see some more results from posters other than OP. While I don't doubt that Dave was very successful with this method and it's a viable method of making money, it does help to see others' experience.
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  • A simple and effective system. A classic example of seeing money with one's mind. Money is all around us, really. We just have to come up with similar systems, like the one you shared.
    Thanks.
  • Incredible Results for such little time!! I had never thought of taking affiliate marketing "offline" the way you have and watching it spread like wildfire! Congrats!!

    Do all the shows have a "take-home" bag for advertisers? This could be a very hands-off approach to any business!

    I have a few online businesses, but my newest venture is in the firearms and personal protection industry. We are planning to hit all the local gun shows as part of our business model, but now I think we may try this type of advertising while we are there to drive more business to our website. I cant thank you enough!!
  • Hi Robert,

    Thanks for your results. I do find it concerning that Dave hasn't come back in to try and help people or at least give some advice. I find it VERY suspicious that EVERYONE that has tried this method has failed to turn a profit as it was made to sound like a slam dunk.

    From my own experience on participating in trade shows and being an attendee I can say without reservation that I collect ALOT of stuff, but rarely will I go back and look at it after I get home.

    Food for thought....

    Rod
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    • Rod, I am fairly certain that flyer marketing is a numbers game with fairly low conversion numbers (based on my experiences in the past), and in order to make this work you need to move massive volume. Just doing one or two shows and not being able to distribute thousands of flyers is probably not going to result in any appreciable number of sales - it takes commitment and consistency to make flyer marketing work.

      I don't doubt that Dave gets the kind of numbers he has alluded to here, but I feel that in order to achieve this, you need to have vendors at large shows that actively encourage visitors to pick up the flyers.

      Paul
  • To be completely honest, you can't ever expect to be making a ton of money with this straight away. It's like with many business models - it takes ongoing commitment, lots and lots of testing and learning, and it's about the deals you make. I wouldn't ever expect to be making a lot of money from this in just a few weeks or even months. More like a year or more.

    Dave's quick success with this model may have been from being in the exact right place at the exact right time. It looks like this has led many to think that they can go and expect to do exactly the same, and that if they can't do it in short time then it must not be worth the effort. Bad way of thinking. It really just requires a long-term effort.

    Think about where you could go with this if you were to work at it for a year. You could be shifting flyers through tons of events and stores. Like Paulie said, it's about volume. The problem is, too many people want to make a quick buck.
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    • I personally wouldn't want to spend that much time and money involved with printing to find out which is why I decided to move on to other ventures.


      It wasn't so much that I thought it could be done easily to "make a quick buck" but I did think that it should be possible to at least break even over the course of 5 shows (and it might but it didn't end that way for me). I had shows with multiple vendors and during those 5 shows I was able to learn some things through testing and various other methods...in the end I decided this approach isn't worth my time and money.

      Does that mean the method isn't viable...no, but it does mean that I personally didn't have enough success with it (or the promise of enough in the future) to make it worth the time and money that I feel I could apply elsewhere to a better end result.
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  • Very inspiring story of thinking outside the box.

    I have read every single post, and there is a pattern.

    Even though i haven't tried this, i think research is needed to go into this, not just print flyers and go to the exhibitions.

    For example, how many people turned up to that same exhibition last year?

    At the end of the day, its a percentage thing. If the exhib had 8000 people go, and you picked a low traffic stand, obviously your not going to get the sales, as such.

    Here is what i gather from what i have just read on this thread:

    Firstly, you need to know how many people go to the shows?

    Next, what is the most popular stand from last year/most popular subject regarding that shows subject, this day.

    Also, you need to research leaflet designs, what is the best call to action? Whats the best colours to use? etc, etc.

    Highest traffic areas. Where are they? Because its like anywhere. No matter the number of people, there is always bad planning at these shows, and some areas get less traffic, regardless of numbers.

    I know it probably a lot of work, but it is amazing what you can learn from just phoning the organisers of the shows.

    However, even though we are on the subject of leaflets, has anyone considered putting up posters at these shows? Especially near the entrance, where the highest traffic is? Because, think about it. What would be cheaper, leaflets or posters? Or better yet, why not try getting a website setup, with different items from the subject. Then direct people to that. Do a review site of the shows subject.

    Well, just my two pence (from UK).
  • Very interesting thread... i think, recently dave has already created a couple of WSO offering more indepth knowledge about how he was able to pull it off right off the gates.

    Thx
    -PB
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  • Hi all,

    A big thanks to those who shared. Very COOL thread!

    I made it through all 17 pages today, and thought I'd contribute what I can.

    I've worked ~100 home-shows over the last 7 years as a side job, and have some insight into the industry.

    Just a few random thoughts in no particular order in the hopes they help anyone pursuing this route:

    Many promoters (even the big dogs) are small family business's. Approach them well, and they will respond well. They appreciate entrepreneurs and will bend rules if they wish to. Cross them, and ensure a fail.

    Everything is negotiable if it doesn't compromise show integrity or conflict with others best interests. For example, all reputable shows require vendors be fully vetted before they are allowed in. Sub-leasing is NOT allowed as the offers have not been quality checked. You can get a good feel for how strict the show is by downloading their vendor application and perusing their vendor requirements.

    The BEST shows are invitation only and have waiting lists to become a vendor.

    You are not dealing with the venue. You are dealing with the promoter. The best shows I ever worked were in Del Mar, CA. The worst shows I ever worked were also in Del Mar, CA. Same venue, two different promoters.

    (ok, slight exaggeration, but I can't bring myself to tell the tale of working in a dirt lot one weekend where the only vendor making money had an elephant that held four at a time who he charged $5ea. for a five minute ride!)

    DO NOT try to hand out fliers in parking lots etc... w/o permission (which you will never get). At the best, you get booted out.

    I've seen several people detained by security and subsequently arrested by the police. Arrest is quite common. The charges vary from trespassing, up to fraud and 'theft by deceit' depending on the state. Because space rent at big shows is ~$1k for a small booth, that often puts you in felony territory if you really manage to piss somebody off.

    Every reputable promoter will offer attendance numbers if you ask.

    Show quality varies GREATLY. I would not waste my time with any venue that draws less than 20k visitors. The people who attend small events are looking for a free or low cost diversion. Of course there may be exceptions like gun-shows, or model train hobbyists for example, but, I wouldn't waste my time unless it augmented an existing online campaign and it was as simple as dropping off a few hundred fliers w/ a buddy who was gonna be there anyway. YMMV.

    A good way to judge show quality is by finding out what tickets sell for. Low-quality shows make their money from parking (usually a split between venue/promoter) and vendor fees. The more traffic, the more they charge for space rent and the more vendors they sign, so they often offer 'free admission' to drive traffic. Good deal for the Promoter, but bad for the vendor as the traffic is often a bunch of cheap charlies.

    The best show I worked every year charged $15 for admission, $12 for parking, sold $10 hot-dogs, and $12 small beers(!!).

    The guy on TV who promotes the 'slap-chop' is a bigger asshole in person, than he is on the informercial.

    The challenge is finding a show with high-traffic, a reputable promoter, and acquiring a vendor who is willing to partner with you.

    There are three types of salesmen at these shows. Those who are regional or local and work shows as a side business. Think mom & pop.

    Then there's those (freelancers) who work for whoever is paying them to be there that weekend who float around the country. Lastly there are those who travel the country for a specific vendor/product.

    The first is your best odds. The second is worth talking to, but are often not dependable, and the third I wouldn't waste my time with as they are usually big ticket item vendors who don't care what the booth cost or about promoting anything that may distract a buyer. I sold outdoor kitchens for example. Would I jeopardize a potential $1000+ commission to hawk a $50 info. product?

    The conversion rate of this sort of marketing is obviously low. Why not offer high-paying CPA offers instead of inexpensive CB products?

    I would approach a potential partner in the last couple of hours of the first day of the show. They are HUNGRY and scared they're going to lose money at the show. Traffic is at a low too. You will have your pick of locations in the venue, and most people who do these shows do at least several a year in various locals and will be happy to partner at multiple shows.

    Anyhow, just a few random thoughts, and I DO think this will work, but there are a lot of variables to take into consideration.

    I hope this continues and look forward to reading more!
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  • thanks a lot .
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  • Glad to see this spam...where would we be without it?



    Now this is some quality spamming...we always appreciate it!
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    • Link juice is a beautiful thing, and you can see that when you post quality like Dave here, you get plenty of it... but if you are just bssing and not sharing anything of value... it wont amount to anything. All the stuff your mama told you about sowing and reaping is true, ESPECIALLY at the Warrior Forum!

      This is a great thread, I personally havent contributed much even though the link power here is like the California Gold rush, because Dave has it handled, I mean there isnt alot to say... other than Excellent EPIC thread!
  • Inspirational!
  • thanks for sharing nice information...
  • Thanks for sharing your idea.
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  • Initially I was excited. 18 pages later I'm deflated. The more I look at it the more it looks like Dave's original post was a pre-sale for his WSO all along.

    Bear in mind it's the same guys defending Dave from anyone who dares to question the validity of the figures posted in the original post. Yet not one of these guys has managed to post successful figures themselves. In fact no-one has posted figures that come remarkably close to Dave's originals.

    Dave says of 1800 flyers given out he received 1154 hops. That's a remarkable conversion. On closer inspection it meant 1154 people retained his flyer. Took it home with them. Turned on the computer because of them and then acted on what the flyer said. 1154 out of 1800. Bear in mind these people would have been handed tens of flyers at this show. Does this tally with your own personal experience of flyers?

    I'm not saying these figures aren't true. I have no reason to disbelieve them but nor do I see any proof to believe them either.
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    • For anyone else who feels like simonp_ccfc, other people have had success with Dave's method. Maybe not on the same level as Dave yet; they just got started. Have a look at one such person who credits Dave for his recent success: sorry, I don't have enough posts to put links but search for
      I-copied-success-working-for-me

      under offline marketing discussions.

      By the way, I just picked up Dave's offer detailing 10 strategies and I'll be back to update you guys with my success.

      I've held myself back so many times by overthinking or giving myself a ton of reasons why a particular strategy just won't work and I suspect that may be what's happening to a lot of skeptics reading this thread or posting "I'll wait and see what results someone else has before I act" kind of comments. Success follows action!!!

      If we'd all just get out of our own way, (myself included), we'd be so much more powerful and successful than we know.
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  • Dave, congratulations on your success.. What a creative way to think outside the box:-)

    Jason
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    • Glad you are feeling better, Dave.

      Everything doesn't work for everybody.

      People are asses. It is a scientific fact.
  • Dave,

    I am glad you are feeling better. I knew there had to be some reason for you not being around. I haven't had a chance to go to TMN in the last couple of weeks so I didn't know if you had done them or not but I guess I didn't miss anything. Hope to be able to be on tommorow if you have the chat.

    Vic
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    • Hi Dave, I was hoping to see your flyer examples
      but I can understand why you took them down
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  • When Wyteria Jacobo wrote:

    "If we'd all just get out of our own way, (myself included), we'd be so much more powerful and successful than we know."

    more truer words were never put into the universe. Both success and failure lie within us. One could even say they are between our ears <lol>...

    Just my 2¢...
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    • Im glad that you are feeling better. So sorry about all the trouble u had to endure ...But never cease to do good, in the proper time you will have the harvest!
      Thanks!
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    • Well done for taking the idea and putting a slightly different slant on it. I also had the idea to target flea markets - there are some good CB products about buying/selling/flipping on eBay that would be a good fit. Just never had time to run with it - trying to stay focused on my main business(es), so if anyone wants to take that idea too they are welcome E.g. this product: Antiques, Collectibles and eBay Advice (no aff link).
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    • Thanks for sharing this - it's truly remarkable much money can be made offline if we just open our eyes a little, and your story just drives this point home yet again. I think many of us have developed "tunnel vision" when it comes to marketing, and we are missing out so much by neglecting the opportunities that we are presented with on a constant basis, especially when we are able to combine online products/services and offline prospects.

      Your flea market proposition sounds very intriguing - I've distributed CPA flyers/cards at the malls and stadiums before, but I've never done anything at the flea markets. $10 for a table at the flea market sounds really cheap, was this for an indoor or outdoor table? I may be mistaken, but I think the indoor tables at the flea markets here cost considerably more than $10, though the outdoor tables rent for around $10.

      Also, did you make any concerted effort to get people to come to your table and/or hand out the cards to them, or did you basically just lay out your cards on the table and hand it out to any one who came by your table? In other words, was it difficult to get those 1,000 cards handed out, or was it just a matter of being there for less than 2 hours and handing it out to whoever passed by your table? What time(s) in the morning have you found to be best for handing out those cards quickly?

      Would you mind detailing the text/copy that you printed out on each card, and the weight of yellow stock paper that you used?

      Paul
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  • Sorry to hear all the grief you got for sharing on the Forum. You do need a thick skin (even when you do good) to put yourself out in any public venue.

    Rest assured that your detractors are almost always losers who need to blame their inadequacies on someone other than themselves in order to rationalize their failures.

    It's a shame that sharers like you are left with the impression that it was foolish to try and help others because of the hassle that comes with it.

    Don't let the losers deter you from sharing. The length of this post, the views and the majority of the comments show that your efforts were very much appreciated.

    Thanks!
  • Over the last three days, I've read this entire thread, and I have to say that I'm excited by the prospect, and a little apprehensive. I used to advertise with fliers in a previous life, so I know how low the conversion is. Now I just have to find shows and appropriate products to advertise.

    Thanks, Dave! And please don't let a few bad apples ruin your generous disposition. We need more people like you.
  • Wow I thought of this a few times, but never tried it. You are a inspiration, I will definitely try this, Well done!
  • Great thread Dave, thankyou.

    I'd appreciate thoughts from all on how I'm considering taking action:

    I live in a student dense area. Theres 2000-3000 student rented houses nearby. Its also exam period.

    To cash in on this I'm thinking of promoting a click bank product, something along the lines of the 'learn more, study less' program. Basicaly a student targeted program, that might be especially applicable around this time of the year as students revise for exams.

    If I were to print a few thousand leaflets with brief details and a web address (which redirects to my clickbank affiliate link) and post these door to door, does this sound like I'm heading in the right direction?

    It should be a fairly cheap experiment, but I'd appreciate some feedback before I forked out money (Around £80).

    Bonus question:

    What level of detail should I pitch the website in on the leaflet? A catchy headline and call to action? Or a little more detail?

    Whatever it is, I think I'll duplicate some of the points made on the affiliate link, as well as keeping the style similar. Hopefully this will help keep things congruous.

    Appologies for the rambling post, I just dont want to be spending money with a low prospect of return. I'll be sure to post feedback if things move ahead.

    Thanks,
    Oliver.
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    • A quick tag along question. I'm stuck between using a more personalised url (such as AREANAMEstudents.co.uk) or a name that relates to the product (such as learnmore.co.uk). Edging towards the former, as I think the slightly personalised url builds more trust.

      Thoughts appreciated.

      If I get some positive feedback that suggests I wont be literally throwing money away, I'll take action today and post feedback.
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    • Oliver, I have a feeling that your proposed experiment may not turn out very well. Clickbank products usually have long drawn-out sales pages, and when it is finals week, visiting a website to read all that sales copy is probably the least appealing thing you could do - I really don't think that finals weeks is the right time to target college students with this type of a product.

      This might have been a viable approach 2-3 weeks before finals, but when they are already facing final exams, buying a product to help them study better is probably not going to be very appealing.
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  • you are really brilliant..

    many thanks for you..i learn to be good affiliate marketing
  • You are really brilliant, man..

    i learn to be good affiliate marketer..thanks
  • Wow...fantastic...this is a very very good idea, and I might even go ahead and try it out myself. Tons of ideas is flowing around in my head now....cool!
  • I think you should repackage it as an offer. Your unorthodox method of affiliate is something that i would have never thought of. Question: The hoplink you're leading them to - is it a high priced product or a low priced ebook?
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    • Daniel, it has already been mentioned in this thread that the products being marketed are inexpensive digital Clickbank products that all cost less than $100.
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  • I'm in "giving mode" so I I'd like to add to this conversation.

    One problem that you have with handing out flyers is people are not near their computers and too much time lapses between the time they get the flyer and the time they get home. This is where the conversion rate drops.

    In the off-line marketing section we talked a lot about text marketing so my idea for you would be to put a mobile website address on the flyer or card.

    Now even better would be to have them text a word such as "winner" to your phone number and they will instantly receive a text message and you will instantly have their phone number/contact information and be building a list if you want one.

    Now this is going to be the beauty of text marketing is instant access on the fly out in the real world without waiting for people to get home and remember to get on their computer to buy your product.
  • @ Jayme43: thats some BIG text! LOL
  • Well it took me 2 days but I finally made it to the end of the thread.

    I am also trying this method with a little twist.

    My vendor sells Gourmet food mixes (like for parties and such) So on the front page of the flyer I am doing a full page that the domain redirects to my Wine Club. On the back I have 4 different offers. 2 CPA and 2 That direct to an Insurance and Security Website that I lease.

    I will let you know how it goes.
  • Oh Yeah I forgot to thank you Dave.

    If this proves profitiable I will pick up the WSO also. Kind of interested in getting the whole picture.

    I already do business cards sized flyers to concerts that puch traffic to a music site. Going to add a CPA to the other side after reading this thread as well as a QR to the card as well.
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  • Amen! Thanks for sharing! Go Warriors! Let's help more people around the world!
  • Thank you! Thank you very much for sharing your experience I am happy to find more ideas to market my offer offline. Cheerios!
  • Thanks for sharing.
    I think this method might works well with some CPA offers(email submit).Just need to think about the market needs and find a high converting offer.
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    • Thanks, ideas ringing in my head now
  • Great information and great posts. Thanks fellow worriors.
  • Very inspiring story man, keep it up. It almost instantly gave me something new to think about!
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  • Mammoth thread but a great read and very inspiring. Thanks Dave (hope you are feeling better) and thanks to all the contributors who also chipped in some great tips.
  • Incredible!! Talk about thinking outside the box!
  • Wow, I really appreciate your sharing this! it sounds like a fantastic idea. I already tried finding some local events but will have to do a little more digging to find what I am looking for.

    Thanks for this great tip
  • Great thread, and some fantastic ideas! Thanks.
  • Brilliant! Congratulations! I love reading success stories like this.
  • This is a cool method that I have never heard about before, I will certainly try it out and see how it goes, thank you for your idea.
  • That's a great idea! It's great to see someone thinking "outside the box" as someone mentioned before. Being creative like that sets you apart from the usual, traditional methods of marketing that most people use. Thanks for the thorough description of how you did all this too!
  • Wow, what a great idea. I'm loving the Warrior forum more with each passing day.
  • Awesome tips dude. Glad that it's working for you.
  • This is an amazing example of taking action on a targeted audience. The idea of buying lunch for a table owner in return for getting to offer your pamphlets there is brilliant and simple: you didn't have to spend your time standing around giving literature away, and they told you when the pamphlets ran out! Excellent way of getting into a stream of qualified prospects.
  • Hi there, I am following this idea, there is a big trade show coming up in this country, I have chose the clickbank product to promote, my question is, as I have the list of exhibitors, should I contact them prior to the trade show to find a willing party instead of waiting til the day of the show, or could this be a bad move if the first couple of people I contact turn down the idea, and then fore warn the organisers.

    But if I do go down this way, any advice on what I should say to the prospective sellers, Mick.
  • Great insights into the mind of a true entrepreneur!
    Still can't believe I missed the WSO to this... been trying to stay away from WSOs as they can clutter the hard-drive with little action, but this, this is the real deal!
  • I have a big trade show comming up in the wedding industry. My mind is racing with ideas.

    1st one that comes to mind is the wieght loss niche as alot of ppl want to loose weight for their wedding day.

    Anyone have any other ideas that might bring in the sales?

    Thanks.
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    • Whatever affiliate program you are apart of, search their database for niche related products, and check their conversions, etc.

      This is a fantastic post. I have been trying to get my fiance to get into the marketing world, and she doesn't grasp a lot of concepts. I just may have her read this post and let her put this into action by her self!

      I love reading things like this and going WHY DIDN'T I think of this myself!
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  • Dude - this is a BRILLIANT plan. Very nicely done, thanks given
  • Wow, that idea is so simple, yet has such genius. It's one of those "How did I not think about that?" things, even though you know you'd have never thought about it in a million years. A great kudos to you and your outside of the box thinking.
  • Thanks a lot. This is good stuff.

    I immediately thought about capturing emails with this technique as it is discussed here. You are probably already doing this.

    It is a great example of how offline methods affect click through rate! I saved your method on my desktop and will try to take action as soon as time will allow.

    You have most likely improved this methods tremendously.
    Thanks again.
  • I'm going to give this one a go. Hopefully it won't pan out the way the previous guy mentioned, but we'll see. I figure for a couple of hundred bucks in flyers it will be worth a shot. That, and my product is laser targeted for the shows I'll be doing. I've actually gotten pretty good response from some promoters. Everything from putting flyers on their flyer table, to giving one to each of the vendors. The bonus is that every vendor could really use this product. We'll see what happens.
  • That's a great business model. Yes, you should definitely turn this into your own product.
  • Dave you came up with a really good idea. For being new to the internet
    I would say you are a fast learner, I think you could do very well by creating
    your own product with the tips you have tried.
  • combining real world marketing with internet marketing... your well on your way to the big leagues my friend! you've bridged the gap!
  • Dave, thanks again for some really great ideas. I purchased your Killer Close WSO and it has been more information I could ever want. Just when I think you're done, you bring more value and wisdom to the table, and I cannot express how truly helpful and inspirational you have been to me in the last few weeks.

    As much as I love doing online techie-type solutions for businesses, I really enjoy reading these out of the box formulas of success, and it's because I get a thrill from being outside my office, networking with people. I think this idea could help "step out of the box" even more, if that makes any sense.

    In saying that, yes I would be very interested if you put together a package with these type of models/ideas. Do it! And thanks again my good friend!
  • Nice!

    Congratulations on your very effective method!
    Its one example of actually doing something you think could work rather than over thinking it. i hope to hear more success stories from you in the future!
  • I am sorry, didn't look at original date of this entire thread.

    Still, AMZING info.
  • I read this whole thread and it's so weird that I knew 100% what would happen.

    Sadly this was a very bad idea for Dave to post. I and many other here appreciate it but in the long run it was ruined as I knew it would be when I read page one.

    Simply put the market was too small to unleash the hoards. Had Dave shared this with a few chosen people I think it would still be viable but sadly it sounds like it isn't right now.

    In a few years I may consider using this method directly. And it has inspired me on a few other ideas. And even opened me up to realizing and idea I had might have only been half baked.

    Dave thank you for posting this thread. It was a amazing read. But sadly i think we all learned a lesson here and that is to never share a method where you make money that could be harmed by that sharing. I wouldn't be surprised if more than just Dave was doing this before the thread and you have to feel sorry for those who got taken out by this thread as well. But in the end this is a classic case of why you build a method that works and then move on and start building another and another. Because at any moment a method you use could be posted here by someone and have this kind of result.

    Never ever put all your eggs in one basket.
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  • Wow great strategy might try this! Worried about the printing and what kind of paper do you guys print just regular paper?
  • Dear Dave,

    Thank you for this idea. I don't think all is lost. You still have your intelligence and smartness (that brought you this method) ;-) You also learned and showed us all one fundamental point of sales:

    > Bring water to a thirsty man in the desert

    Nothing more, nothing else.

    It is good that you had this experience, because you will never look back and find new ways to find thirsty customers and to sell them water!! Good for you. I wish you lots of success my friend.
  • AWESOME GOOD IDEA
    CONGRATS BUDDDY
  • Hi,

    Which shows are referring here? Any help would be appreciated. You mean SMX kinda meetings?
  • Thats one really cool OUT OF THE BOX strategy mate. But can not be done sitting behind the mac but its one heck of an idea.
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  • Wow some great insight to take to the bank. Were starting a launch with offline marketing. We will have to update you with our work in a few weeks. Starting a distributor sales route for one of our suppliers.
  • Guys, I'm having difficulty finding products that are suitable for women and kids (there's a women and kids fair coming up in a nearby trade centre). I have the following products from ClickBank:

    - Plan My Baby - Baby Gender Selection - Prince or Princess?
    - Cellulite Factor: Free presentation reveals an unusual secret to reducing the apearence of cellulite

    Will these work? Give me some ideas.
  • Great but things like this don't come our way daily.
  • Well this is a nice strategy, vis a vis the saturation issue, i don't think it is that grave as the market is huge and there are so many trade shows and the like, more every year, and clickbank isn't the only way of monetizing either.

    I reviewed a WSO recently that unveiled a simple technique which leveraged other people's work to get your flyers out there to your audience, and gave your distribution partners a percentage of the income. Monetization was based on CPA offers.
    I was thinking to do it in my local area but then contacted a national network about it and they told me that traffic from my area wouldn't be any good for them so I knocked the idea on the head to be resumed when I move, which is looking like it is going to be soon, so, yippee.
  • I love successful stories like this one.
  • Amazing. I remember the start of this thread and thinking of the possibilities with the ideas that Dave presented.

    Another thought occurred to me this could be great for people who love selling at swapmeets, garage sales, and the like... now that I've given up that type of selling . In all of these types of activities, I have yet to see anyone putting out flyers such as Dave described so well. Additionally anyone who sells regularly (and pays attention to what buyers are buying/carrying around) should have a good handle on buyer wants.

    Marvin
  • Waw ... great jobs, dave, thank u very much for the thread.
    i just wanna say, warriorforum is the best internet marketing forum on the earth.
    the best community ever. Thank for all of you, WarriorForum member
    wish all the best
    Andra
  • See all these names of people thanking you? yes, I'd say it's a great idea! This is terrific!!!
  • Hey Dave thanks for sharing....

    this is the type of sharing that makes WF great!
  • Great Stuff. Well done dude. As regards the product, go for it! This sounds like a winner.
  • Great great advice

    I would love to soon put together a small training on this and post a video or pdf for my membership site and would pay you good for it as well!
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  • Hey, just wanted to hear your guys' opinions about something. There's going to be an event in my city this summer with an expected 3/4 of a million visitors. The event is really general, just vendors of all types (food, games) etc...
    What kind of products should I promote?

    Thanks.
  • I've been around forever doing the zig while the sheep do the zag and I can honestly say this is one of the more brilliant mixtures of combining "old school" marketing aka "targeted siphon points" with modern marketing product sourcing.

    I personally have recently purchased 25% of one of the largest car chemical manufacturers in the United States...and have made a small fortune using my demo wheel to show people how even a one inch nail driven into a tire will NOT cause a leak..

    You have actually given me an entire new perspective on how to scale this and save a ton of time.

    Very few posts qualify as 100% Bad-Assery.......but this one does.

    Thanks for the great share.

    Stay Legendary,

    Vegas Vince
  • Dave,
    I'm really impressed with how you were able to think outside the box and find success! If I were marketing something that could be displayed at trade shows/conventions I would certainly try your methods!
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    This is what's working for me!

    Hello Folks, I'm new to the forum (kind of) I've been coming here and reading everything for a while now and I wanted to say THANKS! to all of the people on this board that are trying to help. I started online about a year ago, and although I picked up the tech stuff right away; I just couldn't make any money. I was at a swap meet one day with some buddies and it occured to me that this was a room full of guys that ritualistcaly come together to spend money.