What? No. You won't make any money like that!

by Jayo
18 replies
Forgive me for a second..

I came across something in my inbox from one of my students that I figured
i'd share with this wonderful group of offliners -

Offline marketing is nothing like Online marketing

Many people tend to take their online'ish ways and think they can use those
some tricks to land clients - It doesn't work that way. These people don't
think the same way we do.

If you don't understand your market, you'll be dead before your first breathe out there.
Here's a trick -

Treat business owners like real people.


Sounds like a pretty obvious statement, but I'm under the assumption that
everyone doesn't fully understand this. Try mass emailing 200 business
owners with a generic, hyped pitch that you would be expect from a
'Auto Clickbank-Renegade Blueprint Traffic X' launch and see how far it gets you..

These people aren't aww'd by income claims, screenshots, scarcity,
one time offers, fancy designs, etc, etc. They'll laugh at you. All they want is someone
who is genuine and sincere about helping them. They know they need help, I'm sure
they get reminded everyday with a inbox full of 'marketing pitches,' but they don't
know who to trust because every email they open is the same 'ol mass distributed and
auto-generated 'pitch.'

You have to find a way to stand out from the crowd. Show them you actually want to help
them. Go an extra step to show your sincerity. Personally address their problems, etc.
The more you over think, the harder you are making it on yourself.

Try this:

  • Find an SEO 101 ebook with master resale right. tradebit.com is a good place.
  • Pick and city and a profession (eg: miami auto repair, or something)
  • Run it through Google External Keyword. Remember the monthly searches
  • Jump to page 10 or so in the results
  • Pick 5 sites
  • Run the sites through Website SEO Tool | Website Grader for an SEO Analysis
  • Save the report to your desktop
  • Send the business owner an email along these lines:
Hey {business owner},

I'm sure you get dozens of emails a day from other marketers in regards of SEO for your website, so I figured I'd take the time out to show you what all the fuss is about.

For starters, I am a marketer, and I do a bit of SEO myself. Knowing what I know, here's why the SEO guys will continue bombard you with their services:

1) {Keyword} can be a very profitable term to rank for. It averages about {#} searches a month. Every seems to want some of that action.

2) Oddly enough, Your website isn't really optimized for that keyword. I've attached a little analysis for you to look over. Some of it is irrelevant, but
the 2 major things to take away from it is a) you need optimize your site for specific keywords. b) you need more sites linking to your site.

I have ebook in pdf format that I can send over to you teaching you basics
of SEO, if you want to do it yourself.

You're sitting on gold here and you should really be taking advantage of it.

How long have you guys been in business?

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Tweak it, make it personal, fix any grammatical mistakes and send it out to 5 businesses.
Also make a complimentary phone call 24 hours later to make sure they got it, if they
don't respond.

Why would this work? You don't come across as the typical money hungry marketer than
they're used. You're building a relationship. Have a conversation with them.

Why would you give away an SEO book? These guys don't have time to SEO themselves.
If they did, obviously, they would have done it. They will either read the book and ask you
to do it for them, or they will say f*&$ that book, how much do you charge?

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Now there are dozens of other ways to do this but I'm sure you get the point. Sure it may
take some work, but landing a client could potentially be worth THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS
of dollars.

So just be personal, take a few steps back, and show these people that you actually care.
I guess that's all I wanted to say..
#make #money
  • Profile picture of the author Curtez Riggs
    /clap

    good info! Where were you a year ago, lol
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  • Profile picture of the author xlfutur1
    Excellent post, and you are right. Offline and online are two different animals. A down to earth - and straightfoward and honest - approach like the one you suggest will do much better getting their attention than the usual "we can get your site to #1 on Google, blah, blah, blah".

    The educational approach is a great way to reach out to offline business owners. It also doesn't make you feel like a sales person trying to pitch them on something. You are also right that they really don't have time to do it themselves. Position yourself as a teacher first, then the trust factor goes way up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
    That pitch isn't great, either. When offline biz owners hear "SEO", it's usually an automatic disconnect.
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    • Profile picture of the author DaveyMars
      So stop saying "SEO".

      Talk to business owners in a language they can understand. Ask them if they are getting enough new business from their webpage. (If they say "yes" ask them how they know.)

      Talk about helping them attract new business with their website. Words like "SEO". "SERPS", "PPC", etc maybe our language, but *all* business owners understand is
      "sales".

      They don't need to know how you do it as long as you deliver.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jayo
        Originally Posted by DaveyMars View Post

        Talk to business owners in a language they can understand. Ask them if they are getting enough new business from their webpage. (If they say "yes" ask them how they know).
        Sup Davey,

        I can agree with this point, too. I use a number of different approaches. A
        pitch like this tends to work well for businesses who you know gets 'SEO' pitches on a regular basis - the first 10 pages of google usually get hard.

        This is more of, 'This is what SEO is and why you keep being bothered about it'

        I see where you're coming from though. Good call.
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        • Profile picture of the author ericthered
          Pick a biz owner near you, send him a letter (real paper and envelope and stamp even!) and tell him you'll be at restaurant nearby in a couple of days and the coffee/lunch is on you.

          Tell him you have some insider info that will help him with his sales/leads etc.
          fill in the blank.

          Do your research on the guy and his biz beforehand!
          Find a way you can provide value to his biz. Period. Offline - online
          doesn't matter, find a way to help and show him what you've found.

          You'll be surprised at the results.

          This is NOT internet marketing, this is finding a way to SOLVE PROBLEMS.

          Eric

          Eric
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          • Profile picture of the author wbinst2
            This would get very expensive per lead. Pass.

            Originally Posted by ericthered View Post

            Pick a biz owner near you, send him a letter (real paper and envelope and stamp even!) and tell him you'll be at restaurant nearby in a couple of days and the coffee/lunch is on you.

            Tell him you have some insider info that will help him with his sales/leads etc.
            fill in the blank.

            Do your research on the guy and his biz beforehand!
            Find a way you can provide value to his biz. Period. Offline - online
            doesn't matter, find a way to help and show him what you've found.

            You'll be surprised at the results.

            This is NOT internet marketing, this is finding a way to SOLVE PROBLEMS.

            Eric

            Eric
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      • Profile picture of the author dtaylor
        Originally Posted by DaveyMars View Post

        So stop saying "SEO".

        Talk to business owners in a language they can understand. Ask them if they are getting enough new business from their webpage. (If they say "yes" ask them how they know.)

        Talk about helping them attract new business with their website. Words like "SEO". "SERPS", "PPC", etc maybe our language, but *all* business owners understand is
        "sales".

        They don't need to know how you do it as long as you deliver.
        Agreed, don't talk tech terms unless they bring it up first and have specific questions.

        Now, if I am approaching new clients in an area I will do a quick video specifically for their niche in their city explaining why they need what I am offering to do for them (such as GP or mobile etc.) I call them and tell them I have a video that shows how they can get a lot of free leads from Google, who do I send it to?

        Then follow up.

        If they watch the video and "get it" you can usually make at least an entry-level sale, such as GP or a mobile site.

        You can do a video for the client website as well, like the op discussed. Video or mail, both work.

        DTaylor
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    • Profile picture of the author Jayo
      Originally Posted by mgtarheels View Post

      When offline biz owners hear "SEO", it's usually an automatic disconnect.
      For some business owners, I could see that. Is it becoming a spam word?

      I use/used similar pitches and they work fine, it depends on what approach
      I want to take. Whether you want to establish yourself as a consultant, sales Guy, Internet expert, marketer etc. usually determines the lingo I use.
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  • Profile picture of the author Creativegirl
    Very good information and boiler plate. The amount of education required for some prospects can be overwhelming. Using PLR helps streamline it. About the only way to avoid it is to target known advertisers.

    There's a fine line between educating them to the point of a glazed stare to simply selling them on the benefits.
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  • Profile picture of the author build
    WE help clients by finding out there needs and goals and tayloring the discussion around that. Works well for us. We also offer advice in general so clients come to trust us.
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    • Profile picture of the author AubreyWebWhiz
      Very Informative... Thank you for this excellent post.
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    • Profile picture of the author mackyinc
      Originally Posted by build View Post

      WE help clients by finding out there needs and goals and tayloring the discussion around that. Works well for us. We also offer advice in general so clients come to trust us.

      This is a great approach. Offline prospects in general don't know the terms we use. They are looking for advice from experts. The sell for me happens when I explain just how my services will bring them leads, sales, establish their brand. Just like when I hire an attorney I am not particularly in how is does his work. I am interested in what kind of outcome he can deliver and at what price. I want to know if he has done this before, if he can show examples of other clients that have received the same outcome I am looking for. The same principal applies.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Player
    Hey guys. Does anyone know how can I contact Jayo? I paid him for coaching, he took my money and just disappeared, I don't see him in skype, he doesn't answer my emails, nothing. I can't get a refund through Paypal now. Any advice? thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author J Bold
      Originally Posted by sbogdan View Post

      Hey guys. Does anyone know how can I contact Jayo? I paid him for coaching, he took my money and just disappeared, I don't see him in skype, he doesn't answer my emails, nothing. I can't get a refund through Paypal now. Any advice? thanks
      Wow, are you talking about that recent coaching he offered? I hadn't gotten an email from him in ages as I bought a WSO from him quite a while back, but I guess I was still on his list and saw that one about coaching and even checked out what he was offering.

      Obviously he's banned here at WF, and I'm almost positive it was due to faking reviews of one of his WSOs by using another fake account that was not his main account to give a positive review of results.

      Anyway, not sure WF can help you man, he's been banned here for some time!

      Send me a PM, interested to hear more.
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      • Profile picture of the author IM Player
        Originally Posted by redicelander View Post

        Wow, are you talking about that recent coaching he offered? I hadn't gotten an email from him in ages as I bought a WSO from him quite a while back, but I guess I was still on his list and saw that one about coaching and even checked out what he was offering.
        Yeah, it's about the coaching... "Thousand Dollar Dash". I was told that there are only 20 people chosen (from 200!) and I was lucky enough to be one of these 20; now I'm not so sure about my "luck". But I don't think he teaches anyone - he suppose to teach through skype only, and I'm online all day - and I didn't see him for 2 weeks. I went to my bank, but they say since I agreed with the transaction, it can't be considered fraud. So, I just threw in the wind $400. Well, thanks a lot, Jayo, that is a REALLY GOOD LESSON.

        Sorry man, can't PM you, as you can see I don't have enough posts. Send me your email or something.
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  • Offline marketing is nothing like Online marketing

    Many people tend to take their online'ish ways and think they can use those
    some tricks to land clients - It doesn't work that way. These people don't
    think the same way we do.
    online'ish? - "Those darned 'outlanders' with their 'offline' ways..."

    What...is IM like being Amish now? The IMish?:rolleyes:

    "C'mon Jedediah, let's get the community together and have us a website raising!"

    While I would agree there are differences to address, we are still bringing an offline B&M into a web presence or improving it. We just need to know how to speak to the 'outlanders' in ways they understand...

    (oddly enough - I recently saw an episode of "Dirty Jobs" that had a progressive sect member like the Amish (I can't think of the name) that use mobile and the web in their business at a farmers market. I thought that was pretty smart of him...though I'm not sure what he tells his church elders...)
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Thank you!

    Offline Marketing is "Offline Sales". Its different than online marketing and the target market is different than your average internet surfer. Thanks for this post.
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