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Unread 12th Apr 2011, 09:34 PM   #501
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Hi Martha

I don't think you made a mistake as there are cases where businesses do not want people to see their mobile site unless they are on a mobile phone. By adding that script you will deliver the right site to the visitor.

This is when using that script is perfect as it means if someone visits on a desktop they will get the full site and if on a mobile will get the mobile site.

So for example I had a client last week that wanted that exact scenario because they wanted them to use the mobile coupon for one discount and the desktop coupon for a different discount.

This was mainly for tracking and seeing which was more popular.

So you were not wrong just maybe not using it for the right application.

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@willr

i have to disagree with you - by what you wrote i can clearly see you have a completely different mindset from how I am successfully deploying, tracking and using QR code marketing.

The method you suggest for tracking is all well and good but you have to agree it sounds extremely long winded, I would much rather use a proper QR code tracking service that allows you to get multiple campaigns set up in minutes - but better still enables you to relay extremely detailed tracking information in REAL TIME

For me QR codes work hand in hand with SMS, and mobile sites i dont see them as a replacement or competition for each other - they all have their own roles to play, across a wide and varied demographic target audience they will all provide you with a awesome marketing arsenal to choose from that will help you get your message in the hands of the right people.

With growing support in particular from people like AT&T and having QR reader apps pre-installed on new phones its a sure sign there is plenty of life in QR code marketing...

@quentin and everyone that is doing mobile websites

this is just my two cents but i honesty think it is NOT good practice when deploying a mobile site to use an auto mobile detect and redirect script and but instead a detect and prompt for redirection should be executed instead.

It is good practice to have a cut down version of your main site on a mobile site, but there have been many times i have ran in to a need to view the main site for information that was missing from the mobile site, having that mobile detect and redirect in place makes checking out the main site basically impossible on your mobile phone. This happened to me yesterday on the Seaworld mobile site... have had similar things happen to me also on sites like Wellsfargo too. Had i been able to visit the site it probably would have rendered somewhat half decent on my phone and at least i would have got the info i was looking for but i was left frustrated with the whole experience.
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Originally Posted by ukescuba View Post

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@quentin and everyone that is doing mobile websites

this is just my two cents but i honesty think it is NOT good practice when deploying a mobile site to use an auto mobile detect and redirect script and but instead a detect and prompt for redirection should be executed instead.

It is good practice to have a cut down version of your main site on a mobile site, but there have been many times i have ran in to a need to view the main site for information that was missing from the mobile site, having that mobile detect and redirect in place makes checking out the main site basically impossible on your mobile phone. This happened to me yesterday on the Seaworld mobile site... have had similar things happen to me also on sites like Wellsfargo too. Had i been able to visit the site it probably would have rendered somewhat half decent on my phone and at least i would have got the info i was looking for but i was left frustrated with the whole experience.
Yeah what is with that? Can anyone outline the process to properly navigate back to the original website from a mobi?
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Originally Posted by Luke Bishop View Post

Yeah what is with that? Can anyone outline the process to properly navigate back to the original website from a mobi?
Can't multiquote but...

What is wrong with the normal procedure of putting 2 links: "Desktop Site" "Mobile Site" on the bottom of a mobile site?

I put them at the bottom of every site just in case. It is especially easy if you use a mobilesite.domain.com subdomain.
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it wont matter if your mobile site has links back to the main site - if your main site has an auto redirect when it detects a mobile device you wont be able to go and view the desktop site as it will keep redirecting you back to the mobile site....

i prefer to use an alert that gives you the option to go to the mobile site or not if a mobile device is detected...
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Originally Posted by ukescuba View Post

it wont matter if your mobile site has links back to the main site - if your main site has an auto redirect when it detects a mobile device you wont be able to go and view the desktop site as it will keep redirecting you back to the mobile site....

i prefer to use an alert that gives you the option to go to the mobile site or not if a mobile device is detected...
So there's definitely no way around this if your have a redirection service? No code, no exploits?
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Originally Posted by ukescuba View Post

it wont matter if your mobile site has links back to the main site - if your main site has an auto redirect when it detects a mobile device you wont be able to go and view the desktop site as it will keep redirecting you back to the mobile site....

i prefer to use an alert that gives you the option to go to the mobile site or not if a mobile device is detected...
What I have been doing to get around that is...you have a link at the bottom of the mobile site that says "Visit Full Site" and you direct to an extension called yourdomain.com/full-site there you will have another index file that does not have a redirect code in it and you will be at the regular web site.

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Originally Posted by ukescuba View Post

it wont matter if your mobile site has links back to the main site - if your main site has an auto redirect when it detects a mobile device you wont be able to go and view the desktop site as it will keep redirecting you back to the mobile site....

i prefer to use an alert that gives you the option to go to the mobile site or not if a mobile device is detected...
I might agree with you on this when talking about websites for large corporations like SeaWorld however all the people in this thread are talking about mobile websites for small local businesses. For a small local business there is nothing wrong with re-directing them straight to the mobile website because if done properly, the mobile website is going to have all the important information from the main website anyway.

Google has released data on this and the top 3 things people look for when searching on a mobile device is contact information, opening hours, and location. These are the 3 things that should be easily found on your mobile website. On top of that you can still have all the pages and information you would normally have on your regular website if you want to - for a local business this isn't going to be very difficult to implement.

The whole purpose of a mobile website automatically redirecting is ease of use for the end-user. On a mobile phone they want to get to that important information as soon as possible. To me it sounds like you were probably looking for information that if not found, you would of gone home and searched on your PC anyway - not something that was likely to get you to that business right away which is who mobile sites ideally target.

As another poster said though, you can just put a link at the bottom of your mobile site that lets people click through to standard version. If you use a cookie or something similar then it can override the redirect script when they return to the main site.

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Originally Posted by scotth View Post

What I have been doing to get around that is...you have a link at the bottom of the mobile site that says "Visit Full Site" and you direct to an extension called yourdomain.com/full-site there you will have another index file that does not have a redirect code in it and you will be at the regular web site.
The problem with that is you should really have the redirect code on all of your website pages. If your site is listed in Google and well optimized then more than likely you are receiving traffic directly to subpages, not just your homepage. For that reason you need the code on those pages. So even though you send your mobile users back to a duplicate index page, as soon as they click on to another page they would be redirected back to the mobile site.

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Originally Posted by WillR View Post

Google has released data on this and the top 3 things people look for when searching on a mobile device is contact information, opening hours, and location. These are the 3 things that should be easily found on your mobile website. On top of that you can still have all the pages and information you would normally have on your regular website if you want to - for a local business this isn't going to be very difficult to implement.

The whole purpose of a mobile website automatically redirecting is ease of use for the end-user. On a mobile phone they want to get to that important information as soon as possible. To me it sounds like you were probably looking for information that if not found, you would of gone home and searched on your PC anyway - not something that was likely to get you to that business right away which is who mobile sites ideally target.
Agree with you on that Willr...you sum up exactly why we do mobile sites for local businesses..its all about ease of use and the information you stated above so the end user has a positive experience.

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Not sure how they do it but Weebly sites seem to work fine. Javascript and cookies?

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if (document.cookie.match(/(^|\s*is_mobile=1/)) {
document.write(
"&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;" +
"<a href='?mobile'>Mobile Site</a>"
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Originally Posted by scotth View Post

Agree with you on that Willr...you sum up exactly why we do mobile sites for local businesses..its all about ease of use and the information you stated above so the end user has a positive experience.
Exactly. In my opinion, if someone is using a mobile device then sending them to your main website and then giving them the option of going to your mobile website is not the best way of doing things. With a website as large as the Seaworld one you would probably be sitting there for half a day just waiting for it to load. Talk about a bad user experience.

The better thing to do is send them straight to your mobile device and have a prominent link that allows users to click back to your main site. This is going to give the majority of mobile users a much better experience. Most of the people on their mobiles are only going to be looking for important info such as your location, opening hours, contact details. This is the majority you need to cater for.

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Originally Posted by TWalker View Post

Not sure how they do it but Weebly sites seem to work fine. Javascript and cookies?

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if (document.cookie.match(/(^|s*is_mobile=1/)) {
document.write(
"&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;" +
"<a href='?mobile'>Mobile Site</a>"
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}

//-->
</script>
I love the WINK in the middle of the code!

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Yeah what is with that? Can anyone outline the process to properly navigate back to the original website from a mobi?
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I love the WINK in the middle of the code!
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Originally Posted by TWalker View Post

Not sure how they do it but Weebly sites seem to work fine. Javascript and cookies?

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if (document.cookie.match(/(^|s*is_mobile=1/)) {
document.write(
"&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;" +
"<a href='?mobile'>Mobile Site</a>"
);
}

//-->
</script>
And yes, that is a cookie they are using. It can be done with javascript. The only issue is that the web practices for mobile coding say that cookies should not really be relied upon.

"Many mobile devices do not implement cookies or offer only an incomplete implementation. In addition, some gateways strip cookies and others simulate cookies on behalf of mobile devices."
All in all not an ideal solution.

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And yes, that is a cookie they are using. It can be done with javascript.
Must be a cookie set on the mobile site that overrides the redirect script on the full site, then the full site sets a cookie to replace that one.

Switch back and forth that way.

I personally think you are right. Mobile device=mobile site. If the mobile site is good not much reason to browse a full blown site.
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Originally Posted by WillR View Post

And yes, that is a cookie they are using. It can be done with javascript. The only issue is that the web practices for mobile coding say that cookies should not really be relied upon.

All in all not an ideal solution.
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Must be a cookie set on the mobile site that overrides the redirect script on the full site, then the full site sets a cookie to replace that one.

Switch back and forth that way.

I personally think you are right. Mobile device=mobile site. If the mobile site is good not much reason to browse a full blown site.
It's best to design these sites for the lowest common denominator. While there are of course high-end smartphones with high resolution displays of 800X480 or higher, one also has to design websites that display well on the budget smartphones that have a much lower screen resolution (there are still many budget models out there in the 320X480 range).

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Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

It's best to design these sites for the lowest common denominator. While there are of course high-end smartphones with high resolution displays of 800X480 or higher, one also has to design websites that display well on the budget smartphones that have a much lower screen resolution (there are still many budget models out there in the 320X480 range).

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I just ran into high-end smartphone issue with the redirect script. When I looked for a screen width less than 600 pixels the redirect didn't work on my phone. Turns out my screen resolution is 800 X 400. When I look for screen width less than 801 pixels the redirect script worked. Unless someone has a work around other than a redirect service, it is back to the drawing board for redirection.

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Originally Posted by 1fisherman View Post

I just ran into high-end smartphone issue with the redirect script. When I looked for a screen width less than 600 pixels the redirect didn't work on my phone. Turns out my screen resolution is 800 X 400. When I look for screen width less than 801 pixels the redirect script worked. Unless someone has a work around other than a redirect service, it is back to the drawing board for redirection.

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What sort of phone are you using? Does it have javascript enabled? What browser?

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Originally Posted by 1fisherman View Post

I just ran into high-end smartphone issue with the redirect script. When I looked for a screen width less than 600 pixels the redirect didn't work on my phone. Turns out my screen resolution is 800 X 400. When I look for screen width less than 801 pixels the redirect script worked. Unless someone has a work around other than a redirect service, it is back to the drawing board for redirection.

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Gregg, this is pretty unusual. What browser are you using on your phone, and what operating system does it utilize? Give us as much detail as possible.

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Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

It's best to design these sites for the lowest common denominator. While there are of course high-end smartphones with high resolution displays of 800X480 or higher, one also has to design websites that display well on the budget smartphones that have a much lower screen resolution (there are still many budget models out there in the 320X480 range).

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I agree that a width of 320 pixels is the minimum size you should be designing for. There are other phones out there with smaller displays but a lot of them will just resize the actual page to fit the screen and so your mobile site will still look much better and a lot clearer than a standard website would.

Just FYI, this is from back in Q1 2010 but this shows you the breakdown of what phones are being used. Those top 3 or 4 (Blackberry, Android, iPhone) are only going to keep growing.


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I agree that a width of 320 pixels is the minimum size you should be designing for. There are other phones out there with smaller displays but a lot of them will just resize the actual page to fit the screen and so your mobile site will still look much better and a lot clearer than a standard website would.

Just FYI, this is from back in Q1 2010 but this shows you the breakdown of what phones are being used. Those top 3 or 4 (Blackberry, Android, iPhone) are only going to keep growing.

Thanks for sharing this, Will. You're right - 320 pixels is the minimum width you'll get on the latest budget Android and Blackberry smartphones, and of course the latest iPhones all have a higher resolution than that. We're not designing websites for "feature" phones, which have pretty crappy resolution and won't render pages well anyway.

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Here are some figures for end 2010.

The Android platform has finally taken the lead in smartphone market share, leaving Nokia, Apple and RIM in the dust. That's according to analytics firm Canalys, which tracked worldwide smartphone shipments throughout 2010 and just published its numbers for the fourth quarter of the year.



Google greatly benefitted from its 615.1 percent growth rate, pushing it ahead of Nokia's Symbian platform in overall shipments. That made Google's market share for the last quarter of 2010 32.9 percent, while Nokia sat at 30.6 percent. Apple came in third with a market share number of 16 percent (and a growth rate of 85.9 percent over Q4 2009), and RIM came in fourth place with a market share of 14.4 percent (growth rate of 36 percent over Q4 2009). Microsoft's share dropped from 7.2 percent to 3.1 percent year-on-year.

Canalys attributed Google's wild success to its vendors, especially LG, Samsung, Acer, and HTC. Indeed, the flood of new handsets running some version of Android has done wonders to boost the platform's numbers, though the firm warns that 2011 may be very different thanks to new devices and new agreements.

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Gregg, this is pretty unusual. What browser are you using on your phone, and what operating system does it utilize? Give us as much detail as possible.
It's a Samsung Galaxy S running Android 2.2 (just upgraded over the weekend from 2.1). The browser is whatever comes with the Android OS.

Here is the script I used:

<script type="text/javascript">
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if (screen.width <= 801) {
document.location = "http://yourdomain.com";
}
//-->
</script>

When I change the 801 to anything less than 800 the redirect script doesn't work.

The javascript is enabled.

Any advice is appreciated.

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Originally Posted by 1fisherman View Post

It's a Samsung Galaxy S running Android 2.2 (just upgraded over the weekend from 2.1). The browser is whatever comes with the Android OS.

Here is the script I used:

<script type="text/javascript">
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if (screen.width <= 801) {
document.location = "http://yourdomain.com";
}
//-->
</script>

When I change the 801 to anything less than 800 the redirect script doesn't work.

The javascript is enabled.

Any advice is appreciated.

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Gregg,

Not sure what is going on there. It seems you are using the correct and same script as the one I am using:

<script type="text/javascript">
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if (screen.width <= 599) {
document.location = "/m/test/index.html";
}
//-->
</script>
Sounds like some sort of issue with your phone. The resolution of your screen is 800x480 but clearly that is not the actual width of your screen.

Have you tested your site on a different phone at all? Don't forget you can also test your script is working properly using your normal PC by setting the value to something larger than your screen width, something large like 2500. The script should still redirect properly.

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Although I don't want this post to be buried down in this thread, I will post it here anyway. And hopefully, no more questions about redirection will be asked.

About Redirection Issues:

Since paying to a third party service for a simple redirection didn't make any sense to me, I spent a lot of time to find reliable redirection scripts all around the web. And the worst part is that I even don't have a mobile phone with internet access to test all my design & development work, yet I am trying to design for mobile! I will definitely buy one as soon as I make some mobile money though.

Now, I have three different solutions for redirection. I am not telling that I created them, but I found them and want to share all in one post and hopefully no more questions about redirection will be asked on this thread.

Redirection from Full Site to Mobile Site on a mobile device:

Solution 1: JavaScript

Code:
<script type="text/javascript">
<!--
if (screen.width <= 599) {
document.location = "http://mobilesiteaddress.com";
}
//-->
</script>
Add the code between <head>...</head> tags of your Full Site's files. You can change 599 to whatever value you want. To be on the safe zone, you have to know the screen widths of mobile devices you will be targeting.

COMMENT: This solution relies on the screen width of the device and the fact that the visitors should have JavaScript on their mobile phones. Even if they have it but it is disabled, the code will not work. And if your Full Site is built with HTML, you will have to add this code to every single page if you want visitors that land on different pages to be redirected to the mobile site as well. Personally, I will not use it.

Solution 2: PHP

The simplest and shortest PHP code I could find is as follows:

...Gave up trying to post PHP code after trying a many times. Here is the code: http://www.nailyener.com/wp-content/...for-Mobile.txt

Insert this code at the beginning of the home page (Be it index.php, main.php or home.php depending on the site design). This code will work only with sites that are built with PHP (WordPress too). It works based on device detection and covers almost all the devices in the market that you will be targeting.

If there is one single file that affects all the pages on the site, then inserting the code into it will be enough, but if that is not the case, again you will have to add it to all the pages manually.

COMMENT: I have tried this code on a few sites and it works fine. And in my opinion it is a better solution than the JavaScript one.

Solution 3: .htaccess

The final redirection solution that I could find is about adding a code into the .htaccess file in your hosting.

Code:
RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "Windows CE" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "Ericsson" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "Samsung" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "NetFront" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "Palm OS" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "Blazer" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "Elaine" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "^WAP.*$" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "Plucker" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "vodafone" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "iPhone" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "nokia" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "symbian" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "Opera Mini" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "BlackBerry" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "j2me" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "midp" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "htc" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "java" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "sony" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "android" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "AvantGo" [NC]
RewriteRule (.*) http://www.mobilesiteaddress.com [R,L]
Just add the code into the .htaccess file and you are done.

COMMENT: This solution is a site-wide solution and you will not have to worry about pasting the code into many pages etc. Although it doesn't cover all the devices in the market, I think it is more than enough at the moment. Besides, you can add more devices by finding their user agent strings. This is my preferred solution.

There is also another solution for WordPress: using plugins (free or paid). But since I will not be building my mobile sites with WordPress and most of the business sites you would like to mobilize will not be WordPress sites, I will not go into details about it here.

Redirection From Mobile Site to Full Site on a Mobile Device:

So, you are successfully redirecting mobile visitors to the mobile site. But what if they want to go to the full site?

This question was asked above and some warriors answered as it was not much important, but there will be certain cases where you will not have all the features of the full site on the mobile site and your mobile visitors may need to access to that features.

Keeping this in mind I looked for a solution to that for the PHP case. And here is the code that solves this issue: http://www.nailyener.com/wp-content/...le-to-Full.txt

Notice that we just added a few lines of code so that the server will know when a visitor wants to see the full site. As it is mentioned in the code file, you will need to add "?mode=desktop" to the end of your full site link on the mobile site. In short, http://www.fullsiteaddress.com/?mode=desktop is the link that you need on the mobile site.

I will update this thread if I can find more solutions regarding redirection.

Nail

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Originally Posted by Nail Yener View Post

Although I don't want this post to be buried down in this thread, I will post it here anyway. And hopefully, no more questions about redirection will be asked.

About Redirection Issues:

Since paying to a third party service for a simple redirection didn't make any sense to me, I spent a lot of time to find reliable redirection scripts all around the web. And the worst part is that I even don't have a mobile phone with internet access to test all my design & development work, yet I am trying to design for mobile! I will definitely buy one as soon as I make some mobile money though.

Now, I have three different solutions for redirection. I am not telling that I created them, but I found them and want to share all in one post and hopefully no more questions about redirection will be asked on this thread.

Redirection from Full Site to Mobile Site on a mobile device:

Solution 1: JavaScript

Code:
<script type="text/javascript">
<!--
if (screen.width <= 599) {
document.location = "http://mobilesiteaddress.com";
}
//-->
</script>
Add the code between <head>...</head> tags of your Full Site's files. You can change 599 to whatever value you want. To be on the safe zone, you have to know the screen widths of mobile devices you will be targeting.

COMMENT: This solution relies on the screen width of the device and the fact that the visitors should have JavaScript on their mobile phones. Even if they have it but it is disabled, the code will not work. And if your Full Site is built with HTML, you will have to add this code to every single page if you want visitors that land on different pages to be redirected to the mobile site as well. Personally, I will not use it.

Solution 2: PHP

The simplest and shortest PHP code I could find is as follows:

...Gave up trying to post PHP code after trying a many times. Here is the code: http://www.nailyener.com/wp-content/...for-Mobile.txt

Insert this code at the beginning of the home page (Be it index.php, main.php or home.php depending on the site design). This code will work only with sites that are built with PHP (WordPress too). It works based on device detection and covers almost all the devices in the market that you will be targeting.

If there is one single file that affects all the pages on the site, then inserting the code into it will be enough, but if that is not the case, again you will have to add it to all the pages manually.

COMMENT: I have tried this code on a few sites and it works fine. And in my opinion it is a better solution than the JavaScript one.

Solution 3: .htaccess

The final redirection solution that I could find is about adding a code into the .htaccess file in your hosting.

Code:
RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "Windows CE" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "Ericsson" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "Samsung" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "NetFront" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "Palm OS" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "Blazer" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "Elaine" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "^WAP.*$" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "Plucker" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "vodafone" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "iPhone" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "nokia" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "symbian" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "Opera Mini" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "BlackBerry" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "j2me" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "midp" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "htc" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "java" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "sony" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "android" [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "AvantGo" [NC]
RewriteRule (.*) http://www.mobilesiteaddress.com [R,L]
Just add the code into the .htaccess file and you are done.

COMMENT: This solution is a site-wide solution and you will not have to worry about pasting the code into many pages etc. Although it doesn't cover all the devices in the market, I think it is more than enough at the moment. Besides, you can add more devices by finding their user agent strings. This is my preferred solution.

There is also another solution for WordPress: using plugins (free or paid). But since I will not be building my mobile sites with WordPress and most of the business sites you would like to mobilize will not be WordPress sites, I will not go into details about it here.

Redirection From Mobile Site to Full Site on a Mobile Device:

So, you are successfully redirecting mobile visitors to the mobile site. But what if they want to go to the full site?

This question was asked above and some warriors answered as it was not much important, but there will be certain cases where you will not have all the features of the full site on the mobile site and your mobile visitors may need to access to that features.

Keeping this in mind I looked for a solution to that for the PHP case. And here is the code that solves this issue: http://www.nailyener.com/wp-content/...le-to-Full.txt

Notice that we just added a few lines of code so that the server will know when a visitor wants to see the full site. As it is mentioned in the code file, you will need to add "?mode=desktop" to the end of your full site link on the mobile site. In short, http://www.fullsiteaddress.com/?mode=desktop is the link that you need on the mobile site.

I will update this thread if I can find more solutions regarding redirection.

Nail
Nice one Nail.

It should also be noted that a combination of the solutions above could be used. For example you could use the .htaccess file solution and then also add the javascript screen width detection code to all the pages as well. This would probably cover almost 99% of devices. You will never cover 100% of the mobile devices accessing your site no matter what method you use. It's all about making the best of a difficult situation.

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This is an amazing thread!

So much valuable information that its GOLDEN! I want to just give a thanks to everyone whos contributed to this thread, as it shows care and consideration for fellow warriors!

Through reading this thread, I have started to implement mobile websites in my local market, and have been working on making flyers, and sending out emails, and then follow up calls to come shortly..I have also advertised in the local newspaper, a free classified ad entry!

However, I have one question that needs answering, do the local business owners have to own a website, or can you just offer a mobile website to them? I am planning to target Restaurants and Takeaways in the local area, and would like to know this..

How can someone make a residual income selling mobile websites, I am lost for ideas, on what else to upsell, and whether to charge maintenance fees for it too every month.

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Originally Posted by Hassan Sikder View Post

This is an amazing thread!

So much valuable information that its GOLDEN! I want to just give a thanks to everyone whos contributed to this thread, as it shows care and consideration for fellow warriors!

Through reading this thread, I have started to implement mobile websites in my local market, and have been working on making flyers, and sending out emails, and then follow up calls to come shortly..I have also advertised in the local newspaper, a free classified ad entry!

However, I have one question that needs answering, do the local business owners have to own a website, or can you just offer a mobile website to them? I am planning to target Restaurants and Takeaways in the local area, and would like to know this..

How can someone make a residual income selling mobile websites, I am lost for ideas, on what else to upsell, and whether to charge maintenance fees for it too every month.

Kind Regards to all.
Hi,

Yes you can sell mobile sites to businesses that dont have a regular site. That being said I would want to spend my time with the businesses that have a site b/c they understand the value...plus when you show them their site and your mock up on a smart phone they are visually sold.

Upsells...SEO..which can fall into many different categories...Google Places. Email and SMS list building just to name a few.

I would seriously look into SMS text messaging list building...long term residual and b/c of the power of SMS and the ROI for the business is pretty impressive which in turn you will have a long term client.

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Thanks for the reply Scott, appreciate it. That sounds reasonable, a business owner with a website, should know the value of having a mobile website, only because most of these business owners these days, do own a smart phone, and them having access to their own website via their own phone, is a powerful selling point too.

I do want to get into SMS marketing for owners, but have no idea how to go about this, as SMS marketing will be a perfect upsell for a mobile website, if anyone can point me to a guide or a course that can teach me everything I need to do, then I will be getting onto this idea asap!

I have however tried to make selling mobile websites easier, by gathering facts and evidences from the internet, with graphs and charts, to show a business owner, for more validation and proof of why they should go mobile. Can I drop you a PM in regards to another question I have?
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Thanks for the reply Scott, appreciate it. That sounds reasonable, a business owner with a website, should know the value of having a mobile website, only because most of these business owners these days, do own a smart phone, and them having access to their own website via their own phone, is a powerful selling point too.

I do want to get into SMS marketing for owners, but have no idea how to go about this, as SMS marketing will be a perfect upsell for a mobile website, if anyone can point me to a guide or a course that can teach me everything I need to do, then I will be getting onto this idea asap!

I have however tried to make selling mobile websites easier, by gathering facts and evidences from the internet, with graphs and charts, to show a business owner, for more validation and proof of why they should go mobile. Can I drop you a PM in regards to another question I have?
Yes you can PM me anytime. SMS is another beast to much to mention here.

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I have however tried to make selling mobile websites easier, by gathering facts and evidences from the internet, with graphs and charts, to show a business owner, for more validation and proof of why they should go mobile. Can I drop you a PM in regards to another question I have?
I've heard mix reviews but local mobile monopoly and recently I found 'mainstreetmarketingmachines'
have a look.

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instead of using screen size why not just detect the user agent... and apply your redirects or option to redirect based on the phone type thats what i do...

just going back to the comments about seaworld - i was actually looking for opening times and dates - the schedule was available on the mobile site but not for the month i was looking for... but it was shown on the desktop version... at the time i had a matter of urgency to check the dates so it was a super inconvenience...

I am also starting to see unless the content is dynamically connected to the main site a lot of content tends to get forgot about and sometimes outdated - if your not dynamically linking content, for the sake of the end user make sure both sites are up to date!

i am on the go a lot and use my android online all the time - i have been on messages boards that i can navigate easily and post etc easily etc using my browser on a non mobile template... i was on one the other day that again forced me into mobile with no option to not choose a mobile version... it was just terrible not mobile friendly at all...

most sites i have seen for mobile are typically not well designed... especially for touchscreens - most people just use regular links without considering that the screen maybe perhaps be a touch screen ie iphone, android etc and people have chunky fingers lol sometimes i will be attempting to click on links two or three times because the mobile menu isnt spaced sufficienctly... gomobi is terrible for that - particularly the smaller links in the footer

just sayin'

just another thing to add...

although yes contact information etc is important to have - remember there are a lot of phones that can see render the main site

what if a competitor doesnt have a mobile site but it looks ok... on their site i can see all their products and reviews and even make a purchase etc etc on the other business mobile site i get to see limited info about some of the services and want to see more but cant because of the auto redirect... i think that person may have lost a potential customer...

like i mention i have been doing mobile web development a while going back to around 2003 when putting a dynamic mobile WAP site together and a multi-lingual mobile site at that!

i assure you it is far easier creating a mobile site for todays mobile phones than it was back then!
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Thank you ukescuba. Do you know of any tutorials or places where I can learn how to apply your redirects or option to redirect based on the phone type? I'm clueless on this one but it seems that what you're saying makes perfect sense.
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Hey I'm pretty new here but since the focus on this thread is mobile sites I thought maybe you guys might be interested in this article by Terrence O'Brien on Engadget:

Google's love affair with NFC continues to blossom, and QR codes are starting to feel like a neglected stepchild. After a successful trial run in Portland, the once-upon-a-search company is expanding its NFC check-in program to four new cities, slapping RFID "Recommended on Google" stickers on windows in Las Vegas; Madison, Wisconsin; Charlotte, North Carolina; and Austin, Texas. The company wants to be the best in the location-based service market, and NFC is its crane kick. While Foursquare and Facebook users are forced to do silly things like track down the right business in an endless list of nearby results or try and focus their cellphone's camera on a dimly lit QR code, you could simply be swiping over a sticker, scoring discounts and moving on. Provided, of course, you happen to have one of the few NFC-equipped phones on the market (such as the Nexus S), live in one of Google's five testbed cities and really want your friends to know you hit Planet Wings for lunch -- again. Full PR after the break.

It looks like NFC Technology is on the rise. From what it sounds like swiping a phone over a sticker on a window over downloading an app, trying to position the phone carefully over the qr code, then snapping a shot to get the same result seems like a pretty exciting opportunity.

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instead of using screen size why not just detect the user agent... and apply your redirects or option to redirect based on the phone type thats what i do...

just going back to the comments about seaworld - i was actually looking for opening times and dates - the schedule was available on the mobile site but not for the month i was looking for... but it was shown on the desktop version... at the time i had a matter of urgency to check the dates so it was a super inconvenience...

I am also starting to see unless the content is dynamically connected to the main site a lot of content tends to get forgot about and sometimes outdated - if your not dynamically linking content, for the sake of the end user make sure both sites are up to date!

i am on the go a lot and use my android online all the time - i have been on messages boards that i can navigate easily and post etc easily etc using my browser on a non mobile template... i was on one the other day that again forced me into mobile with no option to not choose a mobile version... it was just terrible not mobile friendly at all...

most sites i have seen for mobile are typically not well designed... especially for touchscreens - most people just use regular links without considering that the screen maybe perhaps be a touch screen ie iphone, android etc and people have chunky fingers lol sometimes i will be attempting to click on links two or three times because the mobile menu isnt spaced sufficienctly... gomobi is terrible for that - particularly the smaller links in the footer

just sayin'

just another thing to add...

although yes contact information etc is important to have - remember there are a lot of phones that can see render the main site

what if a competitor doesnt have a mobile site but it looks ok... on their site i can see all their products and reviews and even make a purchase etc etc on the other business mobile site i get to see limited info about some of the services and want to see more but cant because of the auto redirect... i think that person may have lost a potential customer...

like i mention i have been doing mobile web development a while going back to around 2003 when putting a dynamic mobile WAP site together and a multi-lingual mobile site at that!

i assure you it is far easier creating a mobile site for todays mobile phones than it was back then!
As I said, you seem to be missing the point of what we are talking about in this thread. We are targeting small local businesses, those who offer services in their local areas. Their regular websites are not huge and don't have much content that they will ever be updating - unless you choose to target something like a real estate agent who wants to show their listings - but that's why I wouldn't bother targeting real estate because there are so many other small local businesses.

These are sites that won't need much updating, if any at all, and they are sites that can very easily have all the same information on their mobile version. The difference is how that information is set out and presented.

You also seem to miss the point about a mobile site full-stop. It's all fine and dandy to say the main website renders well on a phone but that doesn't matter if the page takes forever to load and it isn't user friendly.

A normal website that has not been optimized for mobile will usually have too many images, large page sizes, links that are too small and clustered together, lots of scripts, iframes, things like that. All these things make the site very hard to use on a mobile phone. Not to mention the fact you need to zoom and scroll all over the place to view the content.

Most of the pages on my mobile websites have a page size of around 2KB - 4KB depending on the amount of text. My mobile websites also have only 1.5KB worth of images, not including a logo and map image if they want them. Now you tell me how many regular websites out there have pages that are anywhere near that size and are going to load anywhere near as fast as my mobile sites?

There are also still a lot of people on mobile data plans that pay through the roof to view mobile content and will click off your site the moment they see it's a big file size and image heavy.

THAT is one of the biggest differences. I don't care how good a website looks, if no one is ever going to see it then who really cares.

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Gregg,

Not sure what is going on there. It seems you are using the correct and same script as the one I am using:



Sounds like some sort of issue with your phone. The resolution of your screen is 800x480 but clearly that is not the actual width of your screen.

Have you tested your site on a different phone at all? Don't forget you can also test your script is working properly using your normal PC by setting the value to something larger than your screen width, something large like 2500. The script should still redirect properly.
Hey Will,

Just wanted to update you on my progress. I have created a script that handles my issue of 800 x 480 screen size. Since iPhone 4 has 960 x 640 I added the code for it too. Here it is:

<script type="text/javascript">
<!--
// create variable to reduce errors

var mobiredirect = "http://www.website.com";

// detect for most mobile phones

if (screen.width < 600 ) {
document.location = mobiredirect;
}

// detect phones with 800 x 480 screen size

else if (screen.width == 800 && screen.height <= 480) {
document.location = mobiredirect;
}

// detect iPhone 4

else if (screen.width == 960 && screen.height <= 640) {
document.location = mobiredirect;
}
//-->
</script>

Also will add <noscript> code for those with Javascript turned off
And can add a link to go to the full site if desired.

Just wanted to post a solution that worked for me in case someone else was having the same problem.

Thanks for all your help and everyone's input. It helped me to make more sense of it all.

Now it is on to sell some mobile sites.

Gregg
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Hello all,

My name is Kam, i'm new to the Warrior Forum, i'm been exploring and reading and trying to absorb as much as i can.

Forum, i need your help.. i'm a position where i NEED to make $3000/month (minimum)... i'll spare you the details as to why.

I'm interested in providing Local Business Online marketing and do see huge potential in one of the services i could provide (mobile websites for SMB's).

I have so many questions on the biggest bang for my buck! and what would you do if you were up against a brick wall and needed get some income coming in fast!!!

There are some incredible people in this forum...with experience and skills that are impressive. I need some very to the point direction. I read these WSO's and one after the other...sounds like "that's the one"... then another one comes out and then another.....arrrrggggg!!

I have decent business sense and have been somewhat successful in the past...i'm just spinning my wheels and seemed bog down by the pressure i'm experiencing at the moment.

Some questions about the opportunity to sell the mobile website opportunity:

- I don't want to sell just a 1 time transaction product/service... with this mobile website...are you folks selling hosting?

- What is the primary advantage of Quentins software over the many free options out there to convert a website to a mobile version?

- From what i'm reading... is that alot of these WP plugins only work with Word press blogs/websites. What do you do for customers that have a basic html webiste??? how do you convert a normal website to a mobile version?

- I've heard of WPTouch PRO and looks pretty cool! what are the main pro's and cons of Quentins software and some other common options to be able to quickly convert or create a standard html site to a mobile version

There seem to be many generous people on this forum, i certainly would appreciate some words of wisdom.

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A comment on redirection.

One of the reasons we use a redirection service is that you can add a link to your main site on your mobile website and because you are accessing it from your mobile the redirection service sees this and provides the main site without looping you back to the mobile site.

I found this out because I went and asked the question since there were so many discussions on it. Here is their response.

Hi Quentin,

Place a normal link from your mobile site back to your regular site.

If you have the 'Smart Redirection' box checked on your Handset Detection Website Profile
then it will detect that they're coming from your mobile site and disable the redirection.


Lets face it if you are building mobile sites for customers you just want this stuff to work and not be playing around with stuff and wasting time.

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A comment on redirection.

One of the reasons we use a redirection service is that you can add a link to your main site on your mobile website and because you are accessing it from your mobile the redirection service sees this and provides the main site without looping you back to the mobile site.

I found this out because I went and asked the question since there were so many discussions on it. Here is their response.

Hi Quentin,

Place a normal link from your mobile site back to your regular site.

If you have the 'Smart Redirection' box checked on your Handset Detection Website Profile
then it will detect that they're coming from your mobile site and disable the redirection.


Lets face it if you are building mobile sites for customers you just want this stuff to work and not be playing around with stuff and wasting time.

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Yes, I agree, however you also need to know HOW something is working. I would assume they are using some type of cookie method to do this smart redirection and cookies are not something that should be relied upon for mobile websites as a lot of mobile browsers do not support them or choose to ignore them - in which case this is not a perfect solution.

Mobile Web Best Practices 1.0

5.4.14 Cookies

[COOKIES] Do not rely on cookies being available.

5.4.14.1 What it means

Cookies are frequently used to carry out session management, to identify users and to store user preferences. Many mobile devices do not implement cookies or offer only an incomplete implementation. In addition, some gateways strip cookies and others simulate cookies on behalf of mobile devices.

Source: http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/
You may want to ask them how it actually works.

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Hey Will,

Just wanted to update you on my progress. I have created a script that handles my issue of 800 x 480 screen size. Since iPhone 4 has 960 x 640 I added the code for it too. Here it is:

<script type="text/javascript">
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// create variable to reduce errors

var mobiredirect = "http://www.website.com";

// detect for most mobile phones

if (screen.width < 600 ) {
document.location = mobiredirect;
}

// detect phones with 800 x 480 screen size

else if (screen.width == 800 && screen.height <= 480) {
document.location = mobiredirect;
}

// detect iPhone 4

else if (screen.width == 960 && screen.height <= 640) {
document.location = mobiredirect;
}
//-->
</script>

Also will add <noscript> code for those with Javascript turned off
And can add a link to go to the full site if desired.

Just wanted to post a solution that worked for me in case someone else was having the same problem.

Thanks for all your help and everyone's input. It helped me to make more sense of it all.

Now it is on to sell some mobile sites.

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Yes, that's a good work around for your problem. Thanks for sharing your solution.

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True Will but there are no perfect solutions and once again it covers 90% + of the market so thats why I use it.

With over 200 customers now we have not had any problems which we were having before trying to use all the various scripts mentioned in this and other discussions.

Plus you get some nice stats for them which I know you can get using Google Anaslytics but just an added benefit.



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True Will but there are no perfect solutions and once again it covers 90% + of the market so thats why I use it.

With over 200 customers now we have not had any problems which we were having before trying to use all the various scripts mentioned in this and other discussions.

Plus you get some nice stats for them which I know you can get using Google Anaslytics but just an added benefit.



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How come under display size it says 768 x 1024 is the second most popular screen size people are using to access your mobile site? These people shouldn't even be seeing your mobile site, right?

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How come under display size it says 768 x 1024 is the second most popular screen size people are using to access your mobile site? These people shouldn't even be seeing your mobile site, right?
I find this interesting too - I'm pretty sure those views are coming from iPads, which have a 1024X768 screen resolution. I'd imagine they'd be viewing the full site instead of the mobile site, though.

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Those people are not seeing the customers mobile site they are getting an optimized Ipad site which we would normally not do however this customer wanted it so we can do this with a service easily.

We just set up a new rule and add it to the mobile site. 2 seconds and its done. They then can go back to the main site easily for more info. He is an ipad nut so wanted something special for them.

He promotes his ipad stuff too so thats why he got 10 visitors today.

Just another reason why I use a service rather than having to work it all out with my own scripts etc and he is happy to pay for the service because it just works.

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Those people are not seeing the customers mobile site they are getting an optimized Ipad site which we would normally not do however this customer wanted it so we can do this with a service easily.

We just set up a new rule and add it to the mobile site. 2 seconds and its done. They then can go back to the main site easily for more info. He is an ipad nut so wanted something special for them.

He promotes his ipad stuff too so thats why he got 10 visitors today.

Just another reason why I use a service rather than having to work it all out with my own scripts etc and he is happy to pay for the service because it just works.

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Makes sense. By the way, I'm not against any paid solutions, heck I use a lot of them in my business to help me save time and money.

For things like this though where a free solution is so readily available and simple, I would much rather use that and pass on the savings to my customers.

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Makes sense. By the way, I'm not against any paid solutions, heck I use a lot of them in my business to help me save time and money.
Me too, especially when the customer is paying for it and I'm just passing the cost on to them. Sometimes paid is much better than free, especially when it saves you considerable time and effort in the process.

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$13 a month is not really a expense to me as I can add multiple sites to the one account so I don't even charge the customer as it is absorbed in their normal hosting costs.

I guess not being a programmer and trying heaps of different methods and scripts on some of the sites we were having trouble with it was a no brainier.

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