Mobile Website Design big business in our local market!

OfflineMan · 7th May 2011, 11:16 AM

I can say that doing mobile site upsells are the easiest thing ever... I have sold about 13 in the past couple of weeks... just show them how ugly the site looks on your cell phone... love it! great way to get your foot in the door as well.

scotth · 7th May 2011, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by cshilling22

What upsells are you offering? Thanks!

I up-sell into various SEO services...also have SMS platform for digital list building.

guewarascoy · 8th May 2011, 05:09 AM

wew..many thanks for you..

Are you using only html templates ?

jimevee · 8th May 2011, 10:37 PM

I'm still in my research phase of offering mobile sites to my clients. For those of you who are currently providing this service by building your mobile sites from "scratch" as opposed to using mofuse, mobisitegalore, gomobi, etc... How can you be certain that your sites will be available to be viewed across all mobile web devices??? I know the sites I mentioned offered server based optimization which is why they have to host the site. I'd prefer not to go that route but I want to be sure the sites I build are available to be viewed properly on all mobile devices. Thanks in advance for your feedback.

ethanhunt3055 · 8th May 2011, 11:44 PM

Thanks for the help here..

Nail Yener · 9th May 2011, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by jimevee

I'm still in my research phase of offering mobile sites to my clients. For those of you who are currently providing this service by building your mobile sites from "scratch" as opposed to using mofuse, mobisitegalore, gomobi, etc... How can you be certain that your sites will be available to be viewed across all mobile web devices??? I know the sites I mentioned offered server based optimization which is why they have to host the site. I'd prefer not to go that route but I want to be sure the sites I build are available to be viewed properly on all mobile devices. Thanks in advance for your feedback.

jimevee,

Firstly, you should be aware that you can not create a nice mobile site which will look wonderful on all the mobile devices in the market. There are thousands of devices, numerous browsers and numerous screen sizes. And the more you try to fit your design to all the devices, the less its quality will be. A simple text-based mobile site without any style or images will look almost the same on all the mobile devices, but we never want to offer simple text-based mobile sites to our clients right?

Our purpose as a mobile web designer is to make the site look nice on as many mobile devices as possible; not all. Therefore, you need to pick a number of devices you want to target the most (like iPhone, Blackberry, Android, Samsung, etc...) and specify a minimum screen size/resolution that you will base your design on. And in the process, test your design on your target devices if you can, or on their simulators (like iphonetester.com). But never deliver the site without doing a real test on at least one real device.

It is true that creating a mobile site from scratch will take a lot more time when you first begin as compared to creating a mobile site using such services you mentioned. But, building your mobile web design business depending on such a 3rd party service, having to pay a certain amount to them monthly or forcing your clients to pay, doesn't make any sense to me at all. And in fact, can you see any reason to pay such a service $20 a month for just to host a mobile site??

I wouldn't charge my clients for hosting their mobile site unless they don't have a hosting account. Because when they discover that it could be easily hosted on their current web host for FREE, they will certainly get mad about me, because I would too. And even if you will charge for hosting, you could get that $20/mo yourself, instead of paying to a 3rd party.

Besides, you will have full control of your designs, and you will be able to offer more complex mobile sites if you take your time and learn more about mobile web design. This is the very same reason why Quentin took his time to create his own custom designs from scratch and many others like us who are following the same route.

Nail

javarog · 9th May 2011, 08:48 AM

The advantage I see in using a service as gomobi and the others is the ability to allow the client to make periodic changes themselves and not depending on someone else to make changes.

scotth · 9th May 2011, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by javarog

The advantage I see in using a service as gomobi and the others is the ability to allow the client to make periodic changes themselves and not depending on someone else to make changes.

The problem with gomobi is that they advertise their link on your clients site at the footer. I focus on clients where there is non or very little any changes when using my own design script, I have way more control on my design..with gomobi you have to get your client a .mobi where they dont need necessarily dont need.

I have several clients and the only ones I do updates are the clients I got in the beginning not targeting the right niche. Now I do not do updates b/c they never need one. If for some reason they do its usually something fast so no big deal..considering the up-sells I get after my sell of the mobile site.

ScottH

pspro · 9th May 2011, 10:14 AM

I have spent the better part of the past couple of days reading this thread and am ready to start offering mobile sites in my area. Thanks to everyone that has kept this thread alive and information!

I'm building my first template and making my first site and it struck me that I do not know how to install the redirect scripts onto the client's website. Do you just tell them to have the script installed by their webmaster and where does the script go? I'm guessing within the header?

Excited about this product, thanks!

Quentin · 9th May 2011, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by javarog

The advantage I see in using a service as gomobi and the others is the ability to allow the client to make periodic changes themselves and not depending on someone else to make changes.

With that reasoning I guess you would also build their main website on something like homestead or blogger.

No really they are good services but why would anyone want to send all their traffic and SEO credit to someone else's site beats me.

jimevee

After doing over 200 sites for clients who have thousands of customers and rarely getting any bad feedback I think creating customized mobile sites is the way to go for the same reason I mentioned above.

hdoyle

Yes you just add the script in the header and you can do it or get their webmaster to do. My experience is that 80 to 90 percent of businesses do not have a webmaster so this is your in for the next stage of your business model.

Quentin

Adrian John · 9th May 2011, 10:42 AM

@jimevee If you would be using Quentin's script the sites will fit most of the important mobile devices(not tablets).iPhone, Blackberry, Samsung, Nokia, HTC and others ... which from my opinion is enough to target more than 90% of the consumers.

@hdoyle The redirect script goes into the <head> section of their index page.Usually i'm the one who will install the script for them but sometimes you must try several scripts cause some might not work on different hosting servers.

Good luck

redlegrich · 9th May 2011, 10:49 AM

I'll echo what Quentin says, sending your client to a web builder site is foolish for the customer, and foolish for you. They won't get any long term SEO advantage, the sites are not all that well optimized anyway and seriously, how many of your clients are really going to make changes themselves? That's why they get somebody to do it for them, so it's done right ;-)

LocalSEOEntrepreneur · 9th May 2011, 12:14 PM

@ScottH -

A while back you mentioned that you call at certain times of the day and that you have pretty good luck reaching business owners. What time of day are you making your calls ussually?

scotth · 9th May 2011, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by LocalSEOEntrepreneur

@ScottH -

A while back you mentioned that you call at certain times of the day and that you have pretty good luck reaching business owners. What time of day are you making your calls ussually?

That was when I am calling restaurants I have tried different time to reach a decision maker...I found 2pm-3pm has worked well for me.

pspro · 9th May 2011, 03:23 PM

thanks for the confirmation Quentin and Banditu, I'm ready to make some samples and hit the phones tomorrow. Now at least I feel prepared when the first person says "how do we get started?"

jimevee · 9th May 2011, 09:17 PM

Nail and Quentin....thank so much for your replies. I know this may sound like a dumb question for most of you that are experienced, but what is it that is so bad about having the traffic being sent to there webservers? You guys mention SEO as one reason which I somewhat understand(though not completely), but are there other reasons as well?

YellowGreenMedia · 9th May 2011, 10:11 PM

And not think that you use a service like GoMobi and then they go bankrupt, so what if you sold 50 sites how are you going to handle that when all of the sudden the service you use goes belly up?

I have seen bigger internet companies go bankrupt (does anyone remember registerfly.com? ) so that alone is more then enough reason to have your own sites done.

Nail Yener · 9th May 2011, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by jimevee

Nail and Quentin....thank so much for your replies. I know this may sound like a dumb question for most of you that are experienced, but what is it that is so bad about having the traffic being sent to there webservers? You guys mention SEO as one reason which I somewhat understand(though not completely), but are there other reasons as well?

jimevee, I haven't used any of the 3rd party services, so I don't know how their design looks or what they require. But from what Quentin says, if you are offering mobile websites to businesses, you would like to have your link in the footer etc. so that you can get referrals from those sites. Also those links will give you some SEO benefit for your own mobile web design business site. If you create sites with a third party service, you will or may need to have their links on the site.

Quentin · 10th May 2011, 01:09 AM

jimevee there are also other reasons.

My friend who used a 3rd party services, that has been mentioned, for his customers ran into a lot of trouble at the beginning of the year when they changed some of their site and all of a sudden his domain that was linked to the site sent them directly to the service.

Mistake or no he lost quite a few customers from it.

These services are great for those who want to do it themselves or businesses who are happy to develop their own system however we are out there not only to get their mobile work but hopefully to upsell other services to their main website as well.

In fact thats why I started in the first place as it was a great introduction to get past the gatekeeper. It turned out that it was the right time and right place for mobile websites.

These 3rd party services all charge quite a lot monthly so wouldn't it be better for you to get the money. Lets face it if you made them for free and charged a monthly fee don't you think the money would be better in your pocket.

On another note; customizing the site exactly for the business instead of having their site like so many others is a definite advantage for your customer.

As I said before would you build your customers site on say blogger or homestead or Google webpages?

Because thats basically what you are doing with these services.

Quentin

YellowGreenMedia · 11th May 2011, 10:52 PM

After i bought the WSO i just have sold mobile site number 10 today (in a time period of 12 days) and i don't even use cold calling (i hate cold calling with every fibre of my body) i just use email and direct mail and it works great, thanks for all the tips in this thread.....

Dave

scotth · 11th May 2011, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia

After i bought the WSO i just have sold mobile site number 10 today (in a time period of 12 days) and i don't even use cold calling (i hate cold calling with every fibre of my body) i just use email and direct mail and it works great, thanks for all the tips in this thread.....

Dave

Dave that is awesome in your success with your mobile site sales...Thats cool your having success with email and direct mail..I been having a good run here in my city..there so much business with very very little competition.

Luke Bishop · 12th May 2011, 02:28 AM

Well done Dave, great stuff.

YellowGreenMedia · 12th May 2011, 03:21 AM

Thanks guys
@banditu you have sent me a PM but i don't have enough post to reply so i will tell you how i do it here.

With the WSO from Quentin there is a script that simulates mobile phones, what i have done is place two phones next to each other at the left phone i show them their normal site and in the right phone i show them the mobile optimized site i have created for them.

I create a 3 page mobile website (index, content template page and contact page) with the company logo in the colours of the company site, because i have done a lot of prospecting i have a lot of ready made sites now so i can whip up a site in 15/20 minutes, of course these sites are not completely done but i tie up all the lose ends after the sale is made... it is really that easy.

If you use a separate style-sheet you can be even faster with cranking out sites, and i truly belief if you show your prospect the difference you will have better sales.

Now the email is very simple, i just tell them that i visit their site with my mobile phone and i saw that it wasn't ready yet for mobile phones and that i took the liberty to set-up a mobile site for them here is the link.

The link goes to the salespage, always use the companyname in the link, like yourdomain.com/theredroseflowershop instead of a "click here" link business owners love to see that you created a personal link for them... i didn't came up with this myself btw but it does work...

The structure of my sales/landing page is like this, the first thing they see are the two mobile phones with their normal website and the mobile website and be,low that i made a short sales-letter showing them data from reputable sources that mobile internet is starting to become huge and they don't wanna miss out and al the way below i ad my selling price wich is €179-

I also ad a bonus of 3 months free updates as much as they want and they can ad as much content to their site as they want... i did a huge site with a lot of content (over 150 pages lol) for the same price and now they want me to do all their internet stuff (that was site number 3)

My point is don't see this as a one time sale thing, but look at it as getting your foot between the door, tread your clients like you wanna be treated, even if it looks like you do a lot of work for a small amount, it will pay you back in the end, if not with extra work then with referrals....

Well that is how i roll

I hope it is clear for you now

Dave

Nail Yener · 12th May 2011, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia

Thanks guys
@banditu you have sent me a PM but i don't have enough post to reply so i will tell you how i do it here.

With the WSO from Quentin there is a script that simulates mobile phones, what i have done is place two phones next to each other at the left phone i show them their normal site and in the right phone i show them the mobile optimized site i have created for them.

I create a 3 page mobile website (index, content template page and contact page) with the company logo in the colours of the company site, because i have done a lot of prospecting i have a lot of ready made sites now so i can whip up a site in 15/20 minutes, of course these sites are not completely done but i tie up all the lose ends after the sale is made... it is really that easy.

If you use a separate style-sheet you can be even faster with cranking out sites, and i truly belief if you show your prospect the difference you will have better sales.

Now the email is very simple, i just tell them that i visit their site with my mobile phone and i saw that it wasn't ready yet for mobile phones and that i took the liberty to set-up a mobile site for them here is the link.

The link goes to the salespage, always use the companyname in the link, like yourdomain.com/theredroseflowershop instead of a "click here" link business owners love to see that you created a personal link for them... i didn't came up with this myself btw but it does work...

The structure of my sales/landing page is like this, the first thing they see are the two mobile phones with their normal website and the mobile website and be,low that i made a short sales-letter showing them data from reputable sources that mobile internet is starting to become huge and they don't wanna miss out and al the way below i ad my selling price wich is €179-

I also ad a bonus of 3 months free updates as much as they want and they can ad as much content to their site as they want... i did a huge site with a lot of content (over 150 pages lol) for the same price and now they want me to do all their internet stuff (that was site number 3)

My point is don't see this as a one time sale thing, but look at it as getting your foot between the door, tread your clients like you wanna be treated, even if it looks like you do a lot of work for a small amount, it will pay you back in the end, if not with extra work then with referrals....

Well that is how i roll

I hope it is clear for you now

Dave

Dave, thanks a lot for sharing your strategy with us and congratulations. I tried emails but I couldn't get any clients so far. Only a few interested biz owners. I will alter my email campaign using your ideas and try more now.

Can you tell us what niche is more responsive in your case?

YellowGreenMedia · 12th May 2011, 08:21 AM

I email/direct mail bars, restaurants, accountants and lawyers.
I use those methods because i just can't do cold calling, it is not in my nature to do that, i have tried it but people could hear that i was not confident now they contact me so i know they are interested in what i have to sell....

javarog · 12th May 2011, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia

I email/direct mail bars, restaurants, accountants and lawyers.
I use those methods because i just can't do cold calling, it is not in my nature to do that, i have tried it but people could hear that i was not confident now they contact me so i know they are interested in what i have to sell....

Nice!!! What editor do you find that works the best for you making these sites?

scotth · 12th May 2011, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia

I email/direct mail bars, restaurants, accountants and lawyers.
I use those methods because i just can't do cold calling, it is not in my nature to do that, i have tried it but people could hear that i was not confident now they contact me so i know they are interested in what i have to sell....

Hi,

Would you be willing to share your email method? I have used email myself with video with some success it just takes a little time to create a video for each client..I dont want to template the video since I want it to be personal to them..I will use Jing to create my videos which is free..use the Quentins simulator and show them how their competitors site looks like that its mobile and then I show them theirs and the the one page mock up..I would put in the email a invisible code in the body of the email and when they open the email I would be notify by email they opened it I will wait a few than call them and introduce myself and tell them I sent them a email with a video in it and they yea I was just looking at it...and now the doors are opened for dialog and I never left my chair at home.

Mark_Austin · 12th May 2011, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by scotth

Hi,

Would you be willing to share your email method? I have used email myself with video with some success it just takes a little time to create a video for each client..I dont want to template the video since I want it to be personal to them..I will use Jing to create my videos which is free..use the Quentins simulator and show them how their competitors site looks like that its mobile and then I show them theirs and the the one page mock up..I would put in the email a invisible code in the body of the email and when they open the email I would be notify by email they opened it I will wait a few than call them and introduce myself and tell them I sent them a email with a video in it and they yea I was just looking at it...and now the doors are opened for dialog and I never left my chair at home.

Hi Scott,

Can you post the link for the invisible email code again please, I know it's in the 18 pages of this thread somewhere but can't find it!

Cheers

scotth · 12th May 2011, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Mark_Austin

Hi Scott,

Can you post the link for the invisible email code again please, I know it's in the 18 pages of this thread somewhere but can't find it!

Cheers

Here you go spypig.com

jimevee · 12th May 2011, 11:14 AM

Being new to IM and this talk about emailing business owners about the services you can offer them. Is this not considered spam? And why?

socialmediaking · 12th May 2011, 11:14 AM

I understand the benefits of redirecting the business owner to the m.theirwebsite.com but I am not interested in upselling and want to only sell mobile websites and to get a ~$50 or so monthly hosting and maintenance fee. Do you think it is problematic to redirect their mobile to my server hosting their site, in terms of duplicate content? I also want to be able to take it down incase they stop paying.

scotth · 12th May 2011, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by socialmediaking

I understand the benefits of redirecting the business owner to the m.theirwebsite.com but I am not interested in upselling and want to only sell mobile websites and to get a ~$50 or so monthly hosting and maintenance fee. Do you think it is problematic to redirect their mobile to my server hosting their site, in terms of duplicate content? I also want to be able to take it down incase they stop paying.

I can tell you from experience that when I first started selling mobile sites with the idea of getting a residual for hosting the mobile site I would get a push back from business owners more often than not...that being said if you build them a mobile site and they pay the price you gave them then its their site. you are taking advantage of the business owner going the route of charging for hosting IMHO. You will sale more not going with the hosting and most have a website so that means they have hosting...why would you have them get another hosting account just to get that monthly fee from them? once the business owner gets wise to it your name is now screwed! There are so many other ways to get a residual where it benefits the business owner not just the offline marketer.

cshilling22 · 12th May 2011, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by scotth

I can tell you from experience that when I first started selling mobile sites with the idea of getting a residual for hosting the mobile site I would get a push back from business owners more often than not...that being said if you build them a mobile site and they pay the price you gave them then its their site. you are taking advantage of the business owner going the route of charging for hosting IMHO. You will sale more not going with the hosting and most have a website so that means they have hosting...why would you have them get another hosting account just to get that monthly fee from them? once the business owner gets wise to it your name is now screwed! There are so many other ways to get a residual where it benefits the business owner not just the offline marketer.

What are you using for residual? I am looking for ideas because I may be doing an initial JV with an SEO provider who has about 40 local clients, so I would not be able to offer SEO to these clients. Any help would be appreciated.

indiana141 · 12th May 2011, 12:24 PM

With the WSO from Quentin there is a script that simulates mobile phones, what i have done is place two phones next to each other at the left phone i show them their normal site and in the right phone i show them the mobile optimized site i have created for them.

I create a 3 page mobile website (index, content template page and contact page) with the company logo in the colours of the company site, because i have done a lot of prospecting i have a lot of ready made sites now so i can whip up a site in 15/20 minutes, of course these sites are not completely done but i tie up all the lose ends after the sale is made... it is really that easy.

Well that is how i roll

I hope it is clear for you now

Dave[/quote]

Dave, I was curious how you were able to build the page yourname.com/theirsiteexample with the two phones side by side. I have quentin's wso and have the script but I am unable to edit it in kompozer or nvu. Any help would be appreciated!! Thanks

scotth · 12th May 2011, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by cshilling22

What are you using for residual? I am looking for ideas because I may be doing an initial JV with an SEO provider who has about 40 local clients, so I would not be able to offer SEO to these clients. Any help would be appreciated.

I use a SEO package I learned this here in the WF from Jerome007 look him up he has a couple of excellent WSO's the "C4 method Client Acquisition" and the one in my sig file below to rank video.

My residual has skyrocketed since applying the C4 method... minimum $500 month and $1500 set up.

timwllms · 12th May 2011, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by scotth

Hi,

..I dont want to template the video since I want it to be personal to them..I will use Jing to create my videos which is free..

@scotth

There is a process I learned about in radio commercial creation called "donut hole" (I think that's what they called it), the idea is to create a template for the generic parts of the the video (the donut) the intro, opportunities, offer, etc and fill it with the personalized stuff (the donut hole) where you can help them. Then you need to create a new video, just record the the site specific portion and reuse the donut (template).

If that's not clear let me know, we can try some other analogy.

TimW

timwllms · 12th May 2011, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by indiana141

Dave, I was curious how you were able to build the page yourname.com/theirsiteexample with the two phones side by side. I have quentin's wso and have the script but I am unable to edit it in kompozer or nvu. Any help would be appreciated!! Thanks

I would guess he used a screen capture of both and cut-and-paste into new image. just a guess...

TimW

scotth · 12th May 2011, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by timwllms

@scotth

There is a process I learned about in radio commercial creation called "donut hole" (I think that's what they called it), the idea is to create a template for the generic parts of the the video (the donut) the intro, opportunities, offer, etc and fill it with the personalized stuff (the donut hole) where you can help them. Then you need to create a new video, just record the the site specific portion and reuse the donut (template).

If that's not clear let me know, we can try some other analogy.

TimW

Good idea Tim..that open up more time would cut down on creation.

seomaker24 · 12th May 2011, 03:28 PM

thanks for share this

socialmediaking · 12th May 2011, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by scotth

I can tell you from experience that when I first started selling mobile sites with the idea of getting a residual for hosting the mobile site I would get a push back from business owners more often than not...that being said if you build them a mobile site and they pay the price you gave them then its their site. you are taking advantage of the business owner going the route of charging for hosting IMHO. You will sale more not going with the hosting and most have a website so that means they have hosting...why would you have them get another hosting account just to get that monthly fee from them? once the business owner gets wise to it your name is now screwed! There are so many other ways to get a residual where it benefits the business owner not just the offline marketer.

I understand, but I am looking into offering a front end method for them to update the websites themselves and to continue to pay hosting and to add on services like text message marketing. I am looking to specialize with these services and not really complicate the business with SEO or anything else. I would probably expand into tablet versions as well. Although I may be looking to outsource websites and SEO services if I could find a good provider.

cshilling22 · 12th May 2011, 09:47 PM

I don't think it is right to have them pay for double hosting. What if you were to offer them a better hosting deal and then have them transfer their regular site and mobile site to your hosting account?

YellowGreenMedia · 12th May 2011, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by scotth

Hi,

Would you be willing to share your email method? I have used email myself with video with some success it just takes a little time to create a video for each client..I dont want to template the video since I want it to be personal to them..I will use Jing to create my videos which is free..use the Quentins simulator and show them how their competitors site looks like that its mobile and then I show them theirs and the the one page mock up..I would put in the email a invisible code in the body of the email and when they open the email I would be notify by email they opened it I will wait a few than call them and introduce myself and tell them I sent them a email with a video in it and they yea I was just looking at it...and now the doors are opened for dialog and I never left my chair at home.

The mail i sent is really simple but as personal as possible so it diesnt look like spam, i start with the headline that something like this

Have You Seen The Mobile Version Of Redroseflowershop.com !

Hello mr business owner
My name is Dave and i am the director of YGM, when i was visiting your website with my iPhone i discovered that your website isn't optimized for mobile internet, did you know that you are potentially missing out on a new stream of internet users?

I took the liberty to create a mobile version of your website if you want to see it you visit the link below

yourdomain.com/theredroseflowershop

I would love to hear what you think

Greets
Dave

That is about it, i don't pretend that this is the best email or direct mail piece but it does the job for me, i love your idea about the video, doesn't take that a lot of time to create such a video?

Dave, I was curious how you were able to build the page yourname.com/theirsiteexample with the two phones side by side. I have quentin's wso and have the script but I am unable to edit it in kompozer or nvu. Any help would be appreciated!! Thanks

If you ask this question in the forum that Quentin has in his WSO then i will sent you a copy of the script with the double phones..... just to make sure that i am not breaching any © here ...

Luke Bishop · 12th May 2011, 11:48 PM

Inspiration at it's finest, can't wait to go home from work and bust out a few emails.

indiana141 · 13th May 2011, 07:21 AM

If you ask this question in the forum that Quentin has in his WSO then i will sent you a copy of the script with the double phones..... just to make sure that i am not breaching any © here ...

Someone already beat me too it so its posted on the forum,

Thank you in advance!

scotth · 13th May 2011, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia

The mail i sent is really simple but as personal as possible so it diesnt look like spam, i start with the headline that something like this

Have You Seen The Mobile Version Of Redroseflowershop.com !

Hello mr business owner
My name is Dave and i am the director of YGM, when i was visiting your website with my iPhone i discovered that your website isn't optimized for mobile internet, did you know that you are potentially missing out on a new stream of internet users?

I took the liberty to create a mobile version of your website if you want to see it you visit the link below

yourdomain.com/theredroseflowershop

I would love to hear what you think

Greets
Dave

That is about it, i don't pretend that this is the best email or direct mail piece but it does the job for me, i love your idea about the video, doesn't take that a lot of time to create such a video?

If you ask this question in the forum that Quentin has in his WSO then i will sent you a copy of the script with the double phones..... just to make sure that i am not breaching any © here ...

Nice work..there are so many ways we can get the business owner attention..thanks for showing us your method!

allegrity · 13th May 2011, 09:10 AM

YellowGreenMedia,

How many e-mails have you sent out already to get those 10 clients? Where do you get your leads from? I haven't had any success with e-mail marketing with my methods but I will try yours out.

Thanks.

YellowGreenMedia · 13th May 2011, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by allegrity

YellowGreenMedia,

How many e-mails have you sent out already to get those 10 clients? Where do you get your leads from? I haven't had any success with e-mail marketing with my methods but I will try yours out.

Thanks.

I have sent out 78 mails with pre-made a design, think that really helps a lot, the saying goes a pictures says more then a 1000 words.

Dave

scotth · 13th May 2011, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia

I have sent out 78 mails with pre-made a design, think that really helps a lot, the saying goes a pictures says more then a 1000 words.

Dave

Also put in the spypig.com code..then you will know when they open your email..thats huge b/c you can call them right when they just looked at your email..and its free.

allegrity · 13th May 2011, 11:53 AM

Thanks for the info but where do you get your leads from?

scotth · 13th May 2011, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by allegrity

Thanks for the info but where do you get your leads from?

There are lots of places to get leads...I like to use Flash-sale sites like Groupon, Bloomspot, Guilt City ect...I have had good success with these.

You can go to Google Places and go to the niche you want to work in and get plenty of business info.

yellowpages.com Again plenty of leads and you can pick by niche.

Manta.com You can get the business owners names here.

ScottH

7th May 2011, 11:16 AM	#851
OfflineMan SMS Marketing Consultant War Room Member Join Date: 2011 Posts: 584 Thanks: 29 Thanked 145 Times in 98 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: I can say that doing mobile site upsells are the easiest thing ever... I have sold about 13 in the past couple of weeks... just show them how ugly the site looks on your cell phone... love it! great way to get your foot in the door as well.
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8th May 2011, 05:09 AM	#853
guewarascoy Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: wew..many thanks for you.. Are you using only html templates ?

8th May 2011, 10:37 PM	#854
jimevee Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 54 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: I'm still in my research phase of offering mobile sites to my clients. For those of you who are currently providing this service by building your mobile sites from "scratch" as opposed to using mofuse, mobisitegalore, gomobi, etc... How can you be certain that your sites will be available to be viewed across all mobile web devices??? I know the sites I mentioned offered server based optimization which is why they have to host the site. I'd prefer not to go that route but I want to be sure the sites I build are available to be viewed properly on all mobile devices. Thanks in advance for your feedback.

8th May 2011, 11:44 PM	#855
ethanhunt3055 Warrior Member Join Date: 2011 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Thanks for the help here..

9th May 2011, 08:48 AM	#857
javarog HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2011 Posts: 264 Thanks: 12 Thanked 76 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: The advantage I see in using a service as gomobi and the others is the ability to allow the client to make periodic changes themselves and not depending on someone else to make changes.

9th May 2011, 10:14 AM	#859
pspro Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2005 Location: USA Posts: 65 Thanks: 22 Thanked 14 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: I have spent the better part of the past couple of days reading this thread and am ready to start offering mobile sites in my area. Thanks to everyone that has kept this thread alive and information! I'm building my first template and making my first site and it struck me that I do not know how to install the redirect scripts onto the client's website. Do you just tell them to have the script installed by their webmaster and where does the script go? I'm guessing within the header? Excited about this product, thanks!

9th May 2011, 10:42 AM	#861
Adrian John Mobile Website Designer War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Posts: 529 Thanks: 611 Thanked 119 Times in 95 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: @jimevee If you would be using Quentin's script the sites will fit most of the important mobile devices(not tablets).iPhone, Blackberry, Samsung, Nokia, HTC and others ... which from my opinion is enough to target more than 90% of the consumers. @hdoyle The redirect script goes into the <head> section of their index page.Usually i'm the one who will install the script for them but sometimes you must try several scripts cause some might not work on different hosting servers. Good luck
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9th May 2011, 10:49 AM	#862
redlegrich HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: Redmond WA Posts: 496 Thanks: 51 Thanked 111 Times in 96 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: I'll echo what Quentin says, sending your client to a web builder site is foolish for the customer, and foolish for you. They won't get any long term SEO advantage, the sites are not all that well optimized anyway and seriously, how many of your clients are really going to make changes themselves? That's why they get somebody to do it for them, so it's done right ;-)

9th May 2011, 12:14 PM	#863
LocalSEOEntrepreneur Warrior Member Join Date: 2011 Posts: 28 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: @ScottH - A while back you mentioned that you call at certain times of the day and that you have pretty good luck reaching business owners. What time of day are you making your calls ussually?
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9th May 2011, 03:23 PM	#865
pspro Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2005 Location: USA Posts: 65 Thanks: 22 Thanked 14 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: thanks for the confirmation Quentin and Banditu, I'm ready to make some samples and hit the phones tomorrow. Now at least I feel prepared when the first person says "how do we get started?"

9th May 2011, 09:17 PM	#866
jimevee Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 54 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Nail and Quentin....thank so much for your replies. I know this may sound like a dumb question for most of you that are experienced, but what is it that is so bad about having the traffic being sent to there webservers? You guys mention SEO as one reason which I somewhat understand(though not completely), but are there other reasons as well?

9th May 2011, 10:11 PM	#867
YellowGreenMedia Dave Zegers War Room Member Join Date: 2011 Location: The Hague Posts: 559 Thanks: 229 Thanked 207 Times in 118 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: And not think that you use a service like GoMobi and then they go bankrupt, so what if you sold 50 sites how are you going to handle that when all of the sudden the service you use goes belly up? I have seen bigger internet companies go bankrupt (does anyone remember registerfly.com? ) so that alone is more then enough reason to have your own sites done.

10th May 2011, 01:09 AM	#869
Quentin Web Marketing For Profit War Room Member Join Date: 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 2,894 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1,162 Times in 528 Posts Blog Entries: 10	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: jimevee there are also other reasons. My friend who used a 3rd party services, that has been mentioned, for his customers ran into a lot of trouble at the beginning of the year when they changed some of their site and all of a sudden his domain that was linked to the site sent them directly to the service. Mistake or no he lost quite a few customers from it. These services are great for those who want to do it themselves or businesses who are happy to develop their own system however we are out there not only to get their mobile work but hopefully to upsell other services to their main website as well. In fact thats why I started in the first place as it was a great introduction to get past the gatekeeper. It turned out that it was the right time and right place for mobile websites. These 3rd party services all charge quite a lot monthly so wouldn't it be better for you to get the money. Lets face it if you made them for free and charged a monthly fee don't you think the money would be better in your pocket. On another note; customizing the site exactly for the business instead of having their site like so many others is a definite advantage for your customer. As I said before would you build your customers site on say blogger or homestead or Google webpages? Because thats basically what you are doing with these services. Quentin
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11th May 2011, 10:52 PM	#870
YellowGreenMedia Dave Zegers War Room Member Join Date: 2011 Location: The Hague Posts: 559 Thanks: 229 Thanked 207 Times in 118 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: After i bought the WSO i just have sold mobile site number 10 today (in a time period of 12 days) and i don't even use cold calling (i hate cold calling with every fibre of my body) i just use email and direct mail and it works great, thanks for all the tips in this thread..... Dave

12th May 2011, 02:28 AM	#872
Luke Bishop Focus on the objective Join Date: 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 184 Thanks: 31 Thanked 32 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Well done Dave, great stuff.

12th May 2011, 03:21 AM	#873
YellowGreenMedia Dave Zegers War Room Member Join Date: 2011 Location: The Hague Posts: 559 Thanks: 229 Thanked 207 Times in 118 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Thanks guys @banditu you have sent me a PM but i don't have enough post to reply so i will tell you how i do it here. With the WSO from Quentin there is a script that simulates mobile phones, what i have done is place two phones next to each other at the left phone i show them their normal site and in the right phone i show them the mobile optimized site i have created for them. I create a 3 page mobile website (index, content template page and contact page) with the company logo in the colours of the company site, because i have done a lot of prospecting i have a lot of ready made sites now so i can whip up a site in 15/20 minutes, of course these sites are not completely done but i tie up all the lose ends after the sale is made... it is really that easy. If you use a separate style-sheet you can be even faster with cranking out sites, and i truly belief if you show your prospect the difference you will have better sales. Now the email is very simple, i just tell them that i visit their site with my mobile phone and i saw that it wasn't ready yet for mobile phones and that i took the liberty to set-up a mobile site for them here is the link. The link goes to the salespage, always use the companyname in the link, like yourdomain.com/theredroseflowershop instead of a "click here" link business owners love to see that you created a personal link for them... i didn't came up with this myself btw but it does work... The structure of my sales/landing page is like this, the first thing they see are the two mobile phones with their normal website and the mobile website and be,low that i made a short sales-letter showing them data from reputable sources that mobile internet is starting to become huge and they don't wanna miss out and al the way below i ad my selling price wich is €179- I also ad a bonus of 3 months free updates as much as they want and they can ad as much content to their site as they want... i did a huge site with a lot of content (over 150 pages lol) for the same price and now they want me to do all their internet stuff (that was site number 3) My point is don't see this as a one time sale thing, but look at it as getting your foot between the door, tread your clients like you wanna be treated, even if it looks like you do a lot of work for a small amount, it will pay you back in the end, if not with extra work then with referrals.... Well that is how i roll I hope it is clear for you now Dave

12th May 2011, 08:21 AM	#875
YellowGreenMedia Dave Zegers War Room Member Join Date: 2011 Location: The Hague Posts: 559 Thanks: 229 Thanked 207 Times in 118 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: I email/direct mail bars, restaurants, accountants and lawyers. I use those methods because i just can't do cold calling, it is not in my nature to do that, i have tried it but people could hear that i was not confident now they contact me so i know they are interested in what i have to sell....

12th May 2011, 11:14 AM	#880
jimevee Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 54 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Being new to IM and this talk about emailing business owners about the services you can offer them. Is this not considered spam? And why?

12th May 2011, 11:14 AM	#881
socialmediaking Social and Mobile Join Date: 2011 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: I understand the benefits of redirecting the business owner to the m.theirwebsite.com but I am not interested in upselling and want to only sell mobile websites and to get a ~$50 or so monthly hosting and maintenance fee. Do you think it is problematic to redirect their mobile to my server hosting their site, in terms of duplicate content? I also want to be able to take it down incase they stop paying.

12th May 2011, 12:24 PM	#884
indiana141 Active Warrior Join Date: 2007 Location: , , USA. Posts: 36 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: With the WSO from Quentin there is a script that simulates mobile phones, what i have done is place two phones next to each other at the left phone i show them their normal site and in the right phone i show them the mobile optimized site i have created for them. I create a 3 page mobile website (index, content template page and contact page) with the company logo in the colours of the company site, because i have done a lot of prospecting i have a lot of ready made sites now so i can whip up a site in 15/20 minutes, of course these sites are not completely done but i tie up all the lose ends after the sale is made... it is really that easy. Well that is how i roll I hope it is clear for you now Dave[/quote] Dave, I was curious how you were able to build the page yourname.com/theirsiteexample with the two phones side by side. I have quentin's wso and have the script but I am unable to edit it in kompozer or nvu. Any help would be appreciated!! Thanks

12th May 2011, 03:28 PM	#889
seomaker24 Warrior Member Join Date: 2011 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: thanks for share this
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12th May 2011, 09:47 PM	#891
cshilling22 Chris Shilling Join Date: 2009 Location: Southern California Posts: 252 Thanks: 15 Thanked 59 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: I don't think it is right to have them pay for double hosting. What if you were to offer them a better hosting deal and then have them transfer their regular site and mobile site to your hosting account?

12th May 2011, 11:48 PM	#893
Luke Bishop Focus on the objective Join Date: 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 184 Thanks: 31 Thanked 32 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Inspiration at it's finest, can't wait to go home from work and bust out a few emails.

13th May 2011, 07:21 AM	#894
indiana141 Active Warrior Join Date: 2007 Location: , , USA. Posts: 36 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: If you ask this question in the forum that Quentin has in his WSO then i will sent you a copy of the script with the double phones..... just to make sure that i am not breaching any © here ... Someone already beat me too it so its posted on the forum, Thank you in advance!

13th May 2011, 09:10 AM	#896
allegrity HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2010 Posts: 118 Thanks: 10 Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: YellowGreenMedia, How many e-mails have you sent out already to get those 10 clients? Where do you get your leads from? I haven't had any success with e-mail marketing with my methods but I will try yours out. Thanks.

13th May 2011, 11:53 AM	#899
allegrity HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2010 Posts: 118 Thanks: 10 Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Thanks for the info but where do you get your leads from?