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Scott - I wanted to PM you but don't have enough posts - is there a way to get in touch with you with a question or 2? Maybe PM me with your email.
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i dont mean to sound stupid here but what is the purpose of handset redirects??
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i dont mean to sound stupid here but what is the purpose of handset redirects??
Hand set Detection its the name of the company...they have redirect scripts for mobile designs so when I click on my clients normal website from my Iphone it goes to the mobile design not the full site...

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Scott - I wanted to PM you but don't have enough posts - is there a way to get in touch with you with a question or 2? Maybe PM me with your email.
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Interesting thread. I have been considering transferring my webdesign knowledge to mobile optimised site design. Do you think we need to fully optimise them like you seem to be suggesting or can we just add plugins to a wordpress site for example and make the site mobile friendly? A complete redesign or optimisation.... what's the best way to go do you think?

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Hey ScottH

I am reposting this as it must have got lost in the shuffle.

Just a couple of questions, it seems like you have settled on $350 for a 4 page site ( I saw you play around with $497 and $397) why did you settle on $350?

Also,are you charging anything monthly for changes?

I am also curious, since you do all of your calls, how you manage your day?

In a week, how many appointments are you setting?

When during the day/week are you calling to set those appointments?

Are you dedicating a certain time durring the day to set up calls and another when you run appointments?

It seems like the best time to call restaurants is alos the best time to see them on appointments as well..and we cannot do both at the same time so I am curious about how you manage that.

Just wanting to be as prodcutive as I can.

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Just my .02 but short term go with something like Quentin offers and Scott has success with. If you have a background in design then Google LESS FRAMEWORK, really cool. Also, Wordpress Whiteboard as both are what mobile design is headed to. Mobile sites need to be created with mobile in mind, sounds confusing but what Quentin hit on is mobile sites need different, easy access to important information. I love iPhones but hate zooming, scrolling, etc. Thus, standard sites that conform to mobile friendly layout using jquery mobile, HTML 5, etc is where we are headed. As for Wordpress mobile plugins, they are great for established sites, easy fix, added
bonus to existing client, selling WSO's, etc but seems like they all are missing something just not sure what that something is. There are numerous reasons and businesses that will always need a redirect to a .m domain such as eccomerce sites, etc but there is a big shift happening in the next few years with advanced browsers and scripts.

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GForces I like to build separate sites for SEO purposes as most of the search engines are starting mobile SEO and lots of the wordpress plugins do not actually create a separate site.

Also you need to change your design a little so the mobile site looks good so why not just create a new one and customize it even more.

It dosen't take much longer and you can still have your main site in the format you like.

For example this customer has a lot of tables etc so none of the Wordpress plugins do it justice so a customized solution was the only answer.

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GForces I likje tio build separate sites for SEO purposes as most of the search engines are starting mobile SEO and lots of the wordpress plugins do not actually create a separate site.

Also you need to change your design a little so the mobile site looks good so why not just create a new one and customize it even more.

It dosen't take much longer and you can still have your main site in the format you like.

For example this customer has a lot of tables etc so none of the Wordpress plugins do it justice so a customized solution was the only answer.

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Quentin, are there any mobile site builders and/or solutions you'd recommend (besides the WP plugins) that would allow us to design a more customized look and feel for our mobile sites?

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Hi Paul

Look in my or Scotts sig file.

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Originally Posted by Quentin View Post

I like to use a redirection service because it solves a lot of problems and all the aggravation of trying to get the right script etc. It will also cover thousands of different phones. You can also look under Scotts posts for a link.

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Quentin, thanks for the recommendation but paying a monthly fee for redirection doesn't make sense to me at all, especially for the cases where you don't get paid monthly by your clients. This will decrease the profit margin no matter how much or small the fee is. Also the number of detections are limited.

I would rather pay someone a one-time fee to sort out the redirection, unless I can manage it myself.
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Originally Posted by 10kperday View Post

Hey ScottH

I am reposting this as it must have got lost in the shuffle.

Just a couple of questions, it seems like you have settled on $350 for a 4 page site ( I saw you play around with $497 and $397) why did you settle on $350?

Also,are you charging anything monthly for changes?

I am also curious, since you do all of your calls, how you manage your day?

In a week, how many appointments are you setting?

When during the day/week are you calling to set those appointments?

Are you dedicating a certain time durring the day to set up calls and another when you run appointments?

It seems like the best time to call restaurants is alos the best time to see them on appointments as well..and we cannot do both at the same time so I am curious about how you manage that.

Just wanting to be as prodcutive as I can.

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I am charging $350 for a simple 4 page mobile site. I have charge as high as $600 for a jewelery store. I have a couple of ways I get clients...I call 20 businesses m-t I usually get 1-2 meetings...I average 5 meetings a week...I do all my appointments on Friday...give or take...depending on the biz owner...but never been a problem...Out of 5 clients I get 2-3 checks. Restaurants I do a little different...a phone call, then an email, then a face to face..then a close! I charge for revisions monthly if they want them.

Pretty simple...action action action.

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Hey thats fine ademmeda you are not being forced to use the redirection service.

It is just a way to outsource that whole part of the process which I like because I don't have the time to try and solve this side of the business.

Also it allows me to tell my clients I am using a professional redirection service which has given me a little more credibility.

If you want to work it out yourself go right ahead and if you come up with a better solution let us know.

I will sell hundreds of mobile sites this year so to me it is not a problem but I understand if things are tight it could be an obstacle.

As for the limitation I looked at my stats for the last month and on average a site gets around 1000 redirections a month so that is 100 sites per account so should recoup the $13 pretty easily.

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Hey thats fine ademmeda you are not being forced to use the redirection service.

It is just a way to outsource that whole part of the process which I like because I don't have the time to try and solve this side of the business.

Also it allows me to tell my clients I am using a professional redirection service which has given me a little more credibility.

If you want to work it out yourself go right ahead and if you come up with a better solution let us know.

I will sell hundreds of mobile sites this year so to me it is not a problem but I understand if things are tight it could be an obstacle.

As for the limitation I looked at my stats for the last month and on average a site gets around 1000 redirections a month so that is 100 sites per account so should recoup the $13 pretty easily.

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Im a little lost when it comes to this redirection service for hand set detection, I thought that Quentin's script did the redirection for us, how does the service from hand set dectection help over the script that Quentin supplied in his WSO? Thanks
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Hi, I use the same service as Quentin as it has been a service I like..I have tested it and it redirects perfectly...their analytics is very detailed and I can show my clients how many times his mobile site is being visited and its very detailed...I highly recommend Hand Set Detection!
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I don't actually like any of these detection scripts because they are something that are always going to have to be updated as new devices and browsers are found.

I have been using the much simpler script that detects the screen width however the problem with this is a lot of mobile devices do not have javascript enabled so this detection will not work and they will still be served up the regular version of your website.

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Quentin, are there any mobile site builders and/or solutions you'd recommend (besides the WP plugins) that would allow us to design a more customized look and feel for our mobile sites?
I just got my own customized templates done. The problem I see with a lot of the so called mobile optimized designs floating around at the moment is they don't take into account the main reasons for having a mobile website. All navigation and links should be big and spread out so people with fat fingers on smart phones can easily use them. Images should also be kept to a bare minimum as should the design and style sheets themselves. You can still have a nice looking site using simple designs.

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Hi Jenny,

All my sites are only 4 pages I am charging $350.00 all I have done are restaurants, hair salons and jewelry stores...If a client wants more pages I will charge $50 a page if its more complex I outsource it ...which cost me about $200.

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I am charging $350 for a simple 4 page mobile site. I have charge as high as $600 for a jewelery store. I have a couple of ways I get clients...I call 20 businesses m-t I usually get 1-2 meetings...I average 5 meetings a week...I do all my appointments on Friday...give or take...depending on the biz owner...but never been a problem...Out of 5 clients I get 2-3 checks. Restaurants I do a little different...a phone call, then an email, then a face to face..then a close! I charge for revisions monthly if they want them.

Pretty simple...action action action.
Thanks ScottH that really does help...quite a bit actually.
the M-t is that Monday thru Tuesday or Thursday?

On the restaurants...what do you email?

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Originally Posted by 10kperday View Post

Thanks ScottH that really does help...quite a bit actually.
the M-t is that Monday thru Tuesday or Thursday?

On the restaurants...what do you email?

Thanks again for a KILLER thread!
Monday - Thursday

Well its email I use that I am testing right now...its in conjunction with getting face to face meetings..not just yet ready to share.

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What are some of the wysiwyg out there for building mobile sites?
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What are some of the wysiwyg out there for building mobile sites?
I have no idea..since Quentins script does the job no need for me to look else where.

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I have no idea..since Quentins script does the job no need for me to look else where.

Are there any screenshots of his WYSIWYG anywhere?

id love to learn more about it
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Are there any screenshots of his WYSIWYG anywhere?

id love to learn more about it
Screenshots of what?...its a shrink to fit script...you have lots of flexibility to design any site to mobile.

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Scott and or/Quentin

Installing a map on the mobile site?

What is the simplest way to do so?

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Screenshots of what?...its a shrink to fit script...you have lots of flexibility to design any site to mobile.
Oh i see... so its a stylesheet or java or something that takes your

600xwhatever site and shrinks it to fit whichever phone resolution is browsing at the time... i see
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Scott and or/Quentin

Installing a map on the mobile site?

What is the simplest way to do so?
The best way is to use an image and then link to google maps so their phone uses the maps app

you can also get the embed code from google maps and just change the width to 100%

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I'm looking for an automated system for local directory type which includes Google map and paypal. Similiar to a classified site but mobile. Any ideas?.

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From a design and positive impression point of view, a Google map on the home page with a phone number would be irresistible to a business owner.

My experience has been that Google maps is unpredictable on mobile phones due to loading issues.

An image clip of the local map area, with a link to Google Maps is a solution. Are there other possible ways to solve this problem? Has anyone else experienced slow loading with Google Maps?

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Another question Quentin re: the redirect service

Do you have to put the script on every page of the website?

And any thoughts about what WillR mentioned since this redirect service uses javascript

I have been using the much simpler script that detects the screen width however the problem with this is a lot of mobile devices do not have javascript enabled so this detection will not work and they will still be served up the regular version of your website.
thanks to both you and Scott for all your answers thus far

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Another question Quentin re: the redirect service

Do you have to put the script on every page of the website?

And any thoughts about what WillR mentioned since this redirect service uses javascript

thanks to both you and Scott for all your answers thus far

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I put the redirect script just in the index.html. But when it redirects it will redirect to the home page.

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Thanks for your quick reply Scott,

To elaborate more, what if the person looking up the site finds one
of the sub-pages of the site. ex.) contact us, hours of operations, etc.

Would all pages need that code? And if so...

Can someone think of a work around? perhaps CSS??

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Thanks for your quick reply Scott,

To elaborate more, what if the person looking up the site finds one
of the sub-pages of the site. ex.) contact us, hours of operations, etc.

Would all pages need that code? And if so...

Can someone think of a work around? perhaps CSS??

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Whats happening with me..if they click on one of the other pages on their smartphone it will go to the main page the mobile index.html...I dont really see any problem with it.

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Mobile Marketing is a new market which is great because its wide open. Anyone looking to stand out should and it to there offline packages because the SEO pitch is getting tired. The SEO and google places word is out but mobile is still fresh. The biggest thing is creating its value for the business owner. He just finished figuring out why SEO is important an now here you come like "SEO is Great! but what u really need is MOBILE!!!" Lol, its funny sometime when the "oh god! something else with this internet stuff!" look comes over their face.
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Whats happening with me..if they click on one of the other pages on their smartphone it will go to the main page the mobile index.html...I dont really see any problem with it.
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Another question Quentin re: the redirect service

Do you have to put the script on every page of the website?

And any thoughts about what WillR mentioned since this redirect service uses javascript

thanks to both you and Scott for all your answers thus far

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Yes, you will need to put the script on every page of your regular web site. If you have a site with multiple pages then it is highly likely you are receiving traffic directly to pages other than your homepage. For this reason you must place the script on any page you think users will be accessing your site on a mobile device. If you only put the script in your homepage then mobile users who arrive at your site on a different page will just be served up your regular website.

As I also noted above, the script getting thrown around here is not a perfect solution. It relies on javascript to work and all those phones who do not currently use javascript will therefore not be redirected to your mobile site.

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For a much cheaper solution than the ones being thrown around in this thread here you can just purchase the mobile template directly from this persons WSO and easily edit it:

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...bonuses-2.html

This template is almost identical to the one being talked about here but for only a fraction of the price. It also uses the stretch to fit layout.

There is no trick to this. Just get the mobile template for $7, add the code others have mentioned in this thread to the top of all the pages on your website, and away you go. Anyone who arrives on your regular website will be redirected to the mobile version depending on the width of the screen of the device they are using.

Also the iphone emulator being talked about in this thread is basically useless as all it does is iframe the website inside an image of an iphone which is not the best way to do things. This is no different to just shrinking your browser window to see what the site will look like. This is not always an accurate representation of what the site will actually end up looking like on a mobile device.

There is a much better FREE iphone and ipad emulator you can install which will show you how the sites will actually look on a real iphone or ipad operating system and you can even rotate the screen just like the actual devices. You can download that free emulator here:
http://www.puresimstudios.com/ibbdemo/

In terms of getting clients this is also very easy. Search Google for businesses who are showing up in the top few pages of Google Places. Once you have found businesses who already have their own web site try and access their website on your mobile phone. If you see they do not have a mobile version of their site then send them an email telling them you tried to access their site on your mobile and there was a problem. Attach a screenshot of what their site currently looks like on a mobile device.

Tell them it is very easily fixed and ask them to email you if they would like to know how to do it. When they email back you can send them a short report that tells them the benefits of using a mobile site over a regular site and sells your services.

Simple. I personally wouldn't waste my time setting up face to face meetings for a product like this. If you do your communication properly then customers will know exactly what they are getting and there will be no need for a hard sell. Any further questions they can call you about. You can send out a lot more emails and wait for people to come back to you instead of having to travel around and do meetings.

There are so many businesses out there you can just keep sending out the emails and you will start getting clients. It's just a numbers game at the end of the day. The more emails you send the more clients you will get. I personally do not want to be locked down in a job where I have to rely on face to face meetings. That limits my market to those within a certain distance of where I live. Not a very smart way of doing things me thinks.

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Originally Posted by WillR View Post

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Yes, you will need to put the script on every page of your regular web site. If you have a site with multiple pages then it is highly likely you are receiving traffic directly to pages other than your homepage. For this reason you must place the script on any page you think users will be accessing your site on a mobile device. If you only put the script in your homepage then mobile users who arrive at your site on a different page will just be served up your regular website.

As I also noted above, the script getting thrown around here is not a perfect solution. It relies on javascript to work and all those phones who do not currently use javascript will therefore not be redirected to your mobile site.
I'm not sure I understand or agree with you on this. I have a .com site and a .mobi site - both have additional pages.
I've placed the redirect script on the index page of my .com site - it redirects them to the mobile site if they're trying to view it on their mobile phone. My mobile site does have add'l. pages that are similar to the add'l. pages on my .com site so they aren't viewing the other pages of my .com site - unless someone actually wanted to type in the entire url of a particular page on a .com site - sounds a bit strange to me to say the least!! Why bother? Seems to me you're worrying over nothing.
Also, I don't see the big deal over the javascript - I can't imagine any of the phones being manufactured today or in the last year or more, not having this capability. I just think the number of people on older phones are probably limited and dwindling fast - probably best just to check on some demographics of your target audience.
Just my 2 cents anyway.

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I'm not sure I understand or agree with you on this. I have a .com site and a .mobi site - both have additional pages.
I've placed the redirect script on the index page of my .com site - it redirects them to the mobile site if they're trying to view it on their mobile phone. My mobile site does have add'l. pages that are similar to the add'l. pages on my .com site so they aren't viewing the other pages of my .com site - unless someone actually wanted to type in the entire url of a particular page on a .com site - sounds a bit strange to me to say the least!! Why bother? Seems to me you're worrying over nothing.
Ok, so answer me this. You have the redirection code installed on the homepage of your regular website. Your regular website is indexed in Google and you have various other pages about all the different services you offer and all these pages are also indexed in Google and bringing you in visitors every day of the week.

So there are a whole lot of people searching Google, finding your website in the results, and clicking through to your site. However they are not necessarily coming in to your site through the homepage they are going directly to other pages on your website so no redirection to your mobile site will ever take place. That is unless you install the mobile detection code on all those pages as well.

Does it still sound like not a big deal? I sure hope not. The only reason it would be no big deal is if you have a single page website or none of your pages get indexed in the search engines.

As for the javascript issue, trust me, there are still a lot of phones who do not have javascript support, and of those that do, there are still a lot of people who disable it for whatever reason.

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Ok, so answer me this. You have the redirection code installed on the homepage of your regular website. Your regular website is indexed in Google and you have various other pages about all the different services you offer and all these pages are also indexed in Google and bringing you in visitors every day of the week.

So there are a whole lot of people searching Google, finding your website in the results, and clicking through to your site. However they are not necessarily coming in to your site through the homepage they are going directly to other pages on your website so no redirection to your mobile site will ever take place. That is unless you install the mobile detection code on all those pages as well.

Does it still sound like not a big deal? I sure hope not. The only reason it would be no big deal is if you have a single page website or none of your pages get indexed in the search engines.

As for the javascript issue, trust me, there are still a lot of phones who do not have javascript support, and of those that do, there are still a lot of people who disable it for whatever reason.

I guess that may be true - if people are using their "mobile phone" when searching & "assuming" that my regular site and pages are indexed. But... I'm not depending on Google for what business I hope to get and should I decide to for whatever reason, I'll work it out if and when I think it's a problem. Additionally, on my regular site and each page of it, there is a link to my mobile site for those that may have accessed the regular site and want to view the site on their mobile.
Again, just don't think it's that big a deal - at least in my case. And no, I still think the javascript is "much ado about nothing" - again, at least it is for me.

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Originally Posted by MarthaD. View Post

I guess that may be true - if people are using their "mobile phone" when searching & "assuming" that my regular site and pages are indexed. But... I'm not depending on Google for what business I hope to get and should I decide to for whatever reason, I'll work it out if and when I think it's a problem. Additionally, on my regular site and each page of it, there is a link to my mobile site for those that may have accessed the regular site and want to view the site on their mobile.
Again, just don't think it's that big a deal - at least in my case. And no, I still think the javascript is "much ado about nothing" - again, at least it is for me.
Martha agree with you not to worried about all that...my main concern is getting my foot in the door to business owners using mobile design for their business and give possible new clients a positive experience when browsing their site from a smartphone...going to face to face meetings is far from wasting my time..since my main objective is to build a relationship and doing all of their marketing via the internet...that running around town and supposedly wasting my time has landed me 5 new clients in the last month which has turned into several thousand dollars in recurring fees.

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Martha,

I am really astounded by your responses considering you are offering mobile website services in your signature.

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I guess that may be true - if people are using their "mobile phone" when searching & "assuming" that my regular site and pages are indexed.
Um, yes. What are you building mobile websites for if people are not accessing your site on their "mobile phone"?

At a recent event held by Google in New York on 10th February 2011, Google reported a 400% increase in the number of searches being carried out on mobile devices, compared to this time last year. This means that 20%, or roughly 1 in 5 Google searches, is now being carried out on a mobile device or smart phone.

1 out of every 3 of these mobile searches is now LOCAL. That is, someone searching for a business or a service provider in their local area.

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But... I'm not depending on Google for what business I hope to get and should I decide to for whatever reason, I'll work it out if and when I think it's a problem.
If you are offering any type of local service then you are missing out on a big opportunity by not trying to get your website indexed and ranking well in the local google search results. Just ask anyone who does any type of local marketing for clients and they will all tell you the same thing.

The Google figures above speak for themselves.

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And no, I still think the javascript is "much ado about nothing" - again, at least it is for me.
Why do you think this way? Is it just because it is easier for you to believe that it is not much of a problem. The fact is there is still something like 5% of all people browsing the Internet without any javascript - that number is for regular PC users. This number would be even higher for those on mobile devices as many of them are using phones that do not support javascript.

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Sounds like it's right down my alley, Quentin!

I've just started looking for text/mobile/offline applications to feature on my new website!

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Originally Posted by WillR View Post

Martha,

I am really astounded by your responses considering you are offering mobile website services in your signature.



Um, yes. What are you building mobile websites for if people are not accessing your site on their "mobile phone"?

At a recent event held by Google in New York on 10th February 2011, Google reported a 400% increase in the number of searches being carried out on mobile devices, compared to this time last year. This means that 20%, or roughly 1 in 5 Google searches, is now being carried out on a mobile device or smart phone.

1 out of every 3 of these mobile searches is now LOCAL. That is, someone searching for a business or a service provider in their local area.



If you are offering any type of local service then you are missing out on a big opportunity by not trying to get your website indexed and ranking well in the local google search results. Just ask anyone who does any type of local marketing for clients and they will all tell you the same thing.

The Google figures above speak for themselves.



Why do you think this way? Is it just because it is easier for you to believe that it is not much of a problem. The fact is there is still something like 5% of all people browsing the Internet without any javascript - that number is for regular PC users. This number would be even higher for those on mobile devices as many of them are using phones that do not support javascript.
Why I think the way I do is really none of your concern is it? What the hell is it with you??? You seem to have a real bug up your rear about how someone thinks or runs their own business!

I have a mobile site because I want to!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am not expecting google to present me with customers. And I am very aware of big daddy google and the statistics you present as well as the number of users on smartphones.

Tell ya want Will ole boy, you run your business the way you want and I'll run mine the way I want - deal??? That is unless you want to offer me some financial backing!!!!!

I always appreciate the help and suggestions found on this forum that is, when it's presented as such and not made into a lecture with a condescending attitude.

Sorry to open your eyes to this Will, but "your way" is NOT the "only way!"

MarthaD.

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Originally Posted by scotth View Post

Martha agree with you not to worried about all that...my main concern is getting my foot in the door to business owners using mobile design for their business and give possible new clients a positive experience when browsing their site from a smartphone...going to face to face meetings is far from wasting my time..since my main objective is to build a relationship and doing all of their marketing via the internet...that running around town and supposedly wasting my time has landed me 5 new clients in the last month which has turned into several thousand dollars in recurring fees.

just saying...
Way to go Scott!!! Congratulations! I'm with you, "build relationships" - you're obviously are NOT wasting your time!
I want to be just like you "when I grow up"!!!!

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Originally Posted by scotth View Post

Martha agree with you not to worried about all that...my main concern is getting my foot in the door to business owners using mobile design for their business and give possible new clients a positive experience when browsing their site from a smartphone...going to face to face meetings is far from wasting my time..since my main objective is to build a relationship and doing all of their marketing via the internet...that running around town and supposedly wasting my time has landed me 5 new clients in the last month which has turned into several thousand dollars in recurring fees.

just saying...
Agree with the "foot in the door" part.


Now recurring fees: I was just thinking of that today as my offline model is based on hosting to an extent.

What is the angle on recurring fees?

Of course updates are great and further work fits the "foot in the door" so thats probably enough since we are "building websites for people who already have websites" which ya gotta love.....

Any way to work $20 a month into the deal through hosting or other means?

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I started this thread at the end of February to share with everyone my experience and successes...sharing how I spend my day to day activities on getting, closing clients with a mobile design for their business...I am far from any kind of expert...I just take action on what I learn...My desire is if just one person is able to generate income from the information in this thread then IMHO thats what its all about...this all free information no one charging anyone...just good free information you can take to the bank.

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Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

Scott and or/Quentin

Installing a map on the mobile site?

What is the simplest way to do so?
Its bugging me that weebly creates such great mobile sites for free (shhhh)

They include maps, slideshows etc etc. Just nice and easy. But you are kinda stuck with the layouts which is a menu button at top and a link to your desktop site at the bottom.

Has anyone utilized their service for maps? Slideshows etc. Is it a potential resource for our maps in any way?
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Its bugging me that weebly creates such great mobile sites for free (shhhh)

They include maps, slideshows etc etc. Just nice and easy. But you are kinda stuck with the layouts which is a menu button at top and a link to your desktop site at the bottom.

Has anyone utilized their service for maps? Slideshows etc. Is it a potential resource for our maps in any way?
The best way to install a map on a mobile site is to use an image.
Using iframes or javascript to display maps will mean certain users cannot see them.

Go to Google mobile maps on your PC and search the address you want a map for:
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Once the map image comes up then I will copy and paste that image into Photoshop and create an image of that map at around 290px x 290px.

You will also want to copy the website address of the full map. It will look something like this:
http://maps.google.com/m/local?q=9+S...sbane+QLD+4066

Once you have the smaller map image you can drop it into your mobile website and hyperlink it so that if anyone clicks on the map they are taken to the Google mobile version where they can zoom in, zoom out, and move the map around without the need for any iframes or javascript.

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Once you have the smaller map image you can drop it into your mobile website and hyperlink it so that if anyone clicks on the map they are taken to the Google mobile version where they can zoom in, zoom out, and move the map around without the need for any iframes or javascript.
Oh yea its definitely a no brainer, I understand how to put an image link to a map. I just think its obviously better to have the map itself on there.

Or perhaps not since the image is likely to load faster.

I just built some mobile sites with weebly the other day and the maps worked a charm. In fact everything did on the mobile sites. So I was just wondering if we could implement weeblys system to our advantage.

Thanks though.

I did like your method of search and email on the mobile sites too.

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Oh yea its definitely a no brainer, I understand how to put an image link to a map. I just think its obviously better to have the map itself on there.

Or perhaps not since the image is likely to load faster.

I just built some mobile sites with weebly the other day and the maps worked a charm. In fact everything did on the mobile sites.

Thanks though.

I did like your method of search and email on the mobile sites too.

Thanks again.
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Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

Nice work Scott!

I have done all the research that needs to be done and I need to get out there and start selling.
i also want to get in there. kindly suggest me how to do the research. i want to get into android market. Good wishes
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Oh yea its definitely a no brainer, I understand how to put an image link to a map. I just think its obviously better to have the map itself on there.

Or perhaps not since the image is likely to load faster.

I just built some mobile sites with weebly the other day and the maps worked a charm. In fact everything did on the mobile sites.

Thanks though.

I did like your method of search and email on the mobile sites too.

Thanks again.
I haven't used Weebly so I was not sure how they are doing their maps however I have just gone and had a look and found a sample weebly mobile site that had the Google map on it. The map worked fine on my PC and then when I browsed the site with my mobile, just as I expected, the map does not work.

I am using one of the latest model Blackberry phones so to me that would be a big concern. After closer inspection I found they are using iframes to display the Google maps. The web standards for mobile devices specifically state that iframes should not be used on mobile websites and for good reason.

The trick to creating a great mobile website is one that can be viewed properly on as many different mobile devices as possible. The only way you are going to ensure maximum compatibility with a map is using the method I listed above. Use an image of the map and then hyperlink it to Google Mobile Maps. No other method is going to work on as many devices as a standard image will.

Try and keep the image size of the map as small as possible without comprising the actual quality of the map image itself. Have the physical address listed above the map image and also a text link beneath the map image that says something like 'View this on Google Maps'. That way, while the user is waiting for the map image to download they can still see the address of the business and also choose to go straight to Google Maps.

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