Mobile Website Design big business in our local market!

Quentin · 7th Apr 2011, 12:35 PM

The thing I found with apps especially with apple is they reject a lot and do not allow duplicates.

We put in a fair bit of time developing an app for mechanics and and others in that niche with the idea of branding it but after the first couple apple started to reject the app.

Quentin

eyesocialize · 7th Apr 2011, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Quentin

The thing I found with apps especially with apple is they reject a lot and do not allow duplicates.

We put in a fair bit of time developing an app for mechanics and and others in that niche with the idea of branding it but after the first couple apple started to reject the app.

Quentin

That's why I mentioned the option of creating Web Apps instead. It has nothing to do with being approved by Apple.

zone · 7th Apr 2011, 02:04 PM

I have been having real good success since applying the information from this thread. I have gotten 3 new clients to design mobile versions of their current site. I am finding that business owners are very receptive to mobile anything...my next add on to this growing market is SMS I think mobile design and SMS go hand in hand.

sb · 7th Apr 2011, 07:22 PM

10 Thumbs Up for Quentin's Mobile Website Builder! Very, VERY cool training system with everything you need to know and do, plus free (funny, I always want to type f*ree or something) tools to create spectacular mobile sites fast, with ease. Some excellent marketing strategies too. I'm not even through half of the video tutorials yet either.

This is EASILY worth twice the regular asking price, NO B.S. or hype, IMO.

THANK YOU Scott, Quentin and everyone else who has contributed to this thread with questions and answers. Killer stuff!

KA-CHINGGG!!!

WillR · 7th Apr 2011, 08:28 PM

Just another quick tip guys in regards to building the actual mobile sites. I have seen a lot of mobile templates floating around this forum and other sites and I keep seeing the same mistakes being made over and over with these templates. In fact, I don't think I have come across a proper mobile template as of yet.

If you are unsure how good your template will work on mobile devices then go to the official W3C mobile website validation site and enter the url of your mobile site and see what score it gives you:

http://validator.w3.org/mobile/

Most of my mobile sites have a score of a little over 90%. If your mobile site is scoring anything lower than about 75% then you have problems that need to be addressed before you continue.

You can't just build a mobile site along the same lines of a regular website and expect everything to be ok and work on all phones. The whole purpose of having a mobile website is so all important information about your business is quickly and easily accessible on as many mobile devices as possible.

Here are the biggest mistakes I keep seeing:

- There are several templates using a drop down type menu system. There are several problems with these types of menus. Firstly it means every page of your website loads whenever someone goes to your mobile site. This means your homepage is huge and will take forever for someone to download which goes against the whole point of having a mobile site.

Each page of your site should be on a separate page to help keep your file sizes really low. For example on my mobile sites the average homepage is around 4kb - 10kb. On some of these drop down templates the homepage is over 70kb! People are going to give up before a page like that ever has a chance to load on their device.

The other problem with these types of menus is they require javascript to work which a lot of phones still do not support. You should try and steer clear of having to use any type of javascript on your sites. You should only ever use scripts that are absolutely necessary like the mobile detection script and always have a message that displays to those who do not have javascript enabled.

- I still see a lot of people using PNG images on their mobile sites. The web standards for mobile sites specifically state that you should only use jpg or gif image formats for best performance. There are still a lot of mobile browsers that do not support PNG images. Once again, a png image is also going to slow down your site a lot more anyway so you don't want to use them.

- I have seen people (even the standard weebly mobile sites) using iframes to serve up content like Google maps and other on the fly information. This is a big no no. Iframes should not be used on mobile websites period. As I mentioned in another post above, if you want to include something like a Google map then do so by using a simple image and then link to the actual map on Google so users can still access it if they want to. Iframes will not work on a lot of mobile phones, Blackberries included.

- People are still putting links too close together. If you have several links on a page they should not be on two consecutive lines. People with touch screen phones are going to find it very hard to click on each separate link. All links should be nice and BIG and spread apart from one another as much as possible.

- People using popups or the rel="nofollow" target="_blank" tag for their links. Once again this is a big no no. If you want to link to an external source then do so normally without the open in a new window tag. A lot of devices will not know how to handle such a tag and they will only cause confusion for the end user.

- People using images that resize dependent on the device screen size. I don't like this type of setup because firstly I do not see a need for it and secondly, it slows down the loading of the mobile site yet again. Whenever you don't use a definite height and width tag for your images it will slow down the page load and this is not something we want to do. Most mobile website designs are set up to have a minimum width of 320 pixels. So simply create your images with a width of around 280px and they will be fine. People using a normal browser can still view those images clearly and people using a mobile device can also.

These are just a few of the common mistakes I see people make over and over. There are also a lot of actual html and css coding issues I keep seeing but haven't got time to go into them at the moment.

Remember, if you don't follow the proper rules and standards for effective mobile website coding then you may as well just keep the regular website and scrap the mobile one altogether.

I can not stress this enough. The purpose of building a mobile website is to improve the end users experience when they are accessing your website through a mobile device. This means you want quick loading pages with content that will work on any device.

I hope this helps.

ADukes81 · 7th Apr 2011, 08:59 PM

I don't even want to share my score I got on that site.

FAIL!

back to the drawing board

WillR · 7th Apr 2011, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by ADukes81

I don't even want to share my score I got on that site.

FAIL!

back to the drawing board

You'd be surprised though - a lot of the times it will be little things that are relatively easy to fix.

It also shows you exactly what the problems are so you can try and rectify them.

The problem is a lot of the so called phone 'emulators' online where you can view how your site will look on an iphone or a blackberry, are only just an image of a phone with your website iframed inside the image. This basically bares no resemblance at all to how a mobile browser will actually view and treat your website.

For this reason you definitely need to run your mobile site through the validation checker before letting it go live as it will pick up all the real problems. Most mobile sites will look fine through an online phone emulator but will fail miserably at the validation test; and this is the test that REALLY counts.

ErnieB · 7th Apr 2011, 09:40 PM

How do I get my header image a smaller file size? Its almost 47kb by itself, lol ( it is now a jpg and is 340X120 in size )

EDIT: Even changing the header image to the 280px wide recommended still leaves it at 27kb.

WillR · 7th Apr 2011, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by ErnieB

How do I get my header image a smaller file size? Its almost 47kb by itself, lol ( it is now a jpg and is 340X120 in size )

Yes, an image like that is just going to kill your site. I mean some customers will want to have a certain logo and you will just have to ride with it sometimes and give them what they want. Make sure you always explain to them first that images should only really be used when necessary. If they want to keep the logo then it's their call at the end of the day.

Sometimes I will offer to do a simpler logo for their mobile site to help get the file size down.

The first thing you can do is to reduce the dimensions of your image. Something with a width of around 300px is still going to work just fine. I don't mean just changing the image dimensions in your html, I mean actually changing the dimensions of the image file.

The next thing you can do is use a free service like:
Reduce load time by optimizing graphics with GifBot

Note: You do have to enter your email address to use that free tool but I should point out that I have been using Gifbot for years and years now and never once received an email from them so don't worry.

You simply upload the graphic and it will then give you different versions of the same graphic with less colors in them. You can then choose the one with the smallest file size that still looks good. Using this tool you can also change a jpg to a gif and vice versa. Sometimes a different image format will give you a better size/quality ratio.

Another thing to remember is to NOT use the script that changes the image sizes automatically. This will slow down the page even further. If you just use a regular image and put the images width and height values into the html then it means the rest of the page can keep loading before the whole image loads. So if you have text and other stuff on the page this will all show up before the image is fully downloaded so people can still start reading and using your site. If you don't put the width and height tags in then the page has to wait for the image to download before the rest of the page can continue to load - this is not what you want.

If you are still having problems send it over to me and I'll see what I can do.

ErnieB · 7th Apr 2011, 10:00 PM

Wow, thanks for that website share. Thats a cool site to use. I was able to get the header image down to 7-9kb while still looking pretty decent. About a 60-70% reduction!

WillR · 7th Apr 2011, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by ErnieB

Wow, thanks for that website share. Thats a cool site to use. I was able to get the header image down to 7-9kb while still looking pretty decent. About a 60-70% reduction!

Great stuff.

Yeah, whenever your putting together a website, especially mobile, it's always worth throwing the images through a tool like that to see what size you can save. The more detailed an image is the less reduction you will be able to get but with simpler images you can often save a lot of kb which means faster pages.

TWalker · 7th Apr 2011, 10:08 PM

Heads up on the W3C Validator.

I got an 85 on the one I made.

The second one I checked I know it was wrong. It gave me the information for the desktop site and it was a Wordpress Mobile Pack which should have scored higher than the first. (no images at all)

So when you run your site through there be sure it checks the right site.

The first was in a subdomain so there was no mistaking what it was checking. The second was a redirect to Mobile Pack theme. It obviously doesn't detect redirects or didn't detect mine.

If I had time I would do some more accurate checking by changing the theme. Tomorrow I will.
________________

Update: I did put my WP strictly on mobile and the W3C gave some pretty outrageous info. It said my mobile site was aprox: 40 times larger than it is. Not right.

Interesting. Not sure why but W3C is off somewhere I'm pretty sure and not my site.

WillR · 7th Apr 2011, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by TWalker

Heads up on the W3C Validator.

I got an 85 on the one I made.

The second one I checked I know it was wrong. It gave me the information for the desktop site and it was a Wordpress Mobile Pack which should have scored higher than the first. (no images at all)

So when you run your site through there be sure it checks the right site.

The first was in a subdomain so there was no mistaking what it was checking. The second was a redirect to Mobile Pack theme. It obviously doesn't detect redirects or didn't detect mine.

If I had time I would do some more accurate checking by changing the theme. Tomorrow I will.
________________

Update: I did put my WP strictly on mobile and the W3C gave some pretty outrageous info. It said my mobile site was aprox: 40 times larger than it is. Not right.

Interesting. Not sure why but W3C is off somewhere I'm pretty sure and not my site.

Yes, the validator will not follow redirects you need to use the actual url of the mobile page you are wanting to check.

Another thing to note is that a lot of wordpress mobile sites are very poorly coded and rely on things such as tables and scripts, etc which should never be used in mobile websites. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a wordpress mobile theme got a poor score. After all, these are just themes put together by everyday people who may not know anything about coding good mobile friendly websites.

Unfortunately the W3C validator doesn't lie, providing you have put in the correct url.

TWalker · 7th Apr 2011, 10:21 PM

This is strictly CSS 10.2k. Very small and well designed, in fact it needs more graphics.

Alot of non-wp sites are poorly designed. These particular themes have a lot of development behind them so i would trust them more than a typical mobile template.

But like I said I will investigate further why W3C reported as it did.

WillR · 7th Apr 2011, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by TWalker

This is strictly CSS 10.2k. Very small and well designed, in fact it needs more graphics.

But like I said I will investigate further why W3C reported as it did.

If you need any help or recommendations you can PM me the link.

philboy uk · 8th Apr 2011, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by WillR

Just another quick tip guys in regards to building the actual mobile sites. I have seen a lot of mobile templates floating around this forum and other sites and I keep seeing the same mistakes being made over and over with these templates. In fact, I don't think I have come across a proper mobile template as of yet.

If you are unsure how good your template will work on mobile devices then go to the official W3C mobile website validation site and enter the url of your mobile site and see what score it gives you:

W3C mobileOK Checker

Most of my mobile sites have a score of a little over 90%. If your mobile site is scoring anything lower than about 75% then you have problems that need to be addressed before you continue.

You can't just build a mobile site along the same lines of a regular website and expect everything to be ok and work on all phones. The whole purpose of having a mobile website is so all important information about your business is quickly and easily accessible on as many mobile devices as possible.

Here are the biggest mistakes I keep seeing:

- There are several templates using a drop down type menu system. There are several problems with these types of menus. Firstly it means every page of your website loads whenever someone goes to your mobile site. This means your homepage is huge and will take forever for someone to download which goes against the whole point of having a mobile site.

Each page of your site should be on a separate page to help keep your file sizes really low. For example on my mobile sites the average homepage is around 4kb - 10kb. On some of these drop down templates the homepage is over 70kb! People are going to give up before a page like that ever has a chance to load on their device.

The other problem with these types of menus is they require javascript to work which a lot of phones still do not support. You should try and steer clear of having to use any type of javascript on your sites. You should only ever use scripts that are absolutely necessary like the mobile detection script and always have a message that displays to those who do not have javascript enabled.

- I still see a lot of people using PNG images on their mobile sites. The web standards for mobile sites specifically state that you should only use jpg or gif image formats for best performance. There are still a lot of mobile browsers that do not support PNG images. Once again, a png image is also going to slow down your site a lot more anyway so you don't want to use them.

- I have seen people (even the standard weebly mobile sites) using iframes to serve up content like Google maps and other on the fly information. This is a big no no. Iframes should not be used on mobile websites period. As I mentioned in another post above, if you want to include something like a Google map then do so by using a simple image and then link to the actual map on Google so users can still access it if they want to. Iframes will not work on a lot of mobile phones, Blackberries included.

- People are still putting links too close together. If you have several links on a page they should not be on two consecutive lines. People with touch screen phones are going to find it very hard to click on each separate link. All links should be nice and BIG and spread apart from one another as much as possible.

- People using popups or the rel="nofollow" target="_blank" tag for their links. Once again this is a big no no. If you want to link to an external source then do so normally without the open in a new window tag. A lot of devices will not know how to handle such a tag and they will only cause confusion for the end user.

- People using images that resize dependent on the device screen size. I don't like this type of setup because firstly I do not see a need for it and secondly, it slows down the loading of the mobile site yet again. Whenever you don't use a definite height and width tag for your images it will slow down the page load and this is not something we want to do. Most mobile website designs are set up to have a minimum width of 320 pixels. So simply create your images with a width of around 280px and they will be fine. People using a normal browser can still view those images clearly and people using a mobile device can also.

These are just a few of the common mistakes I see people make over and over. There are also a lot of actual html and css coding issues I keep seeing but haven't got time to go into them at the moment.

Remember, if you don't follow the proper rules and standards for effective mobile website coding then you may as well just keep the regular website and scrap the mobile one altogether.

I can not stress this enough. The purpose of building a mobile website is to improve the end users experience when they are accessing your website through a mobile device. This means you want quick loading pages with content that will work on any device.

I hope this helps.

Hi WillR

Could you point me in the direction of any mobile templates that I can use. I noticed when putting some of quentin's mobile sites through the validators, they were being marked down for not having definite image sizes.

thanks

Phil

Adrian John · 8th Apr 2011, 12:47 AM

Will,
I pmed you the other day but maybe you didn't had the time going through all you pm.I am sending you a new pm now with some example for recommendation.

Thanks

mark12jon · 8th Apr 2011, 03:06 AM

Mobile marketing is only just beginning.
Lots of money to be made with it.

eyesocialize · 8th Apr 2011, 03:16 AM

Here is another good validator guys http://www.mobiready.com.

Quentin · 8th Apr 2011, 04:01 AM

You want to be careful getting to hooked up with validations as it can be a real time waster.

Go find the top 10 mobile websites and you will find almost none of them validate much more than 60%. Try m.facebook.com or m.youtube.com

I tested a bunch of my customers sites and again not validating very well but from customer surveys all working well across numerous platforms and bringing in new clients.

I do agree about the separate pages and reduced graphics size however once again do your due diligence.

This is why we use tables a lot in our templates rather than graphic buttons.

Another thing is I have not found many phones that do not handle JAVA except for some older models and so once again forgoing some great options using java to comply with a very small percentage of phones is just silly.

Always in your marketing go for the majority as you can get sucked into time wasting tweeks that usually don't result in sales because they tend to be for the manority of phones that most people would not even try to look at a website on anyway.

I base most of my actions on surveys with clients and their customers which is always the best way to go.

Quentin

ANKUSH1 · 8th Apr 2011, 04:12 AM

I got really excited about providing Mobile ready websites a little while back. When I discovered that a google search on a mobile (android) phone already offers the option of viewing the site in a mobile format I figured business owners may be reluctant to shell out for a service they are receiving for nix.
Am I missing something here?
Please let me know if I am approaching this from the wrong perspective as I think this is a huge market.

philboy uk · 8th Apr 2011, 04:17 AM

Originally Posted by Quentin

You want to be careful getting to hooked up with validations as it can be a real time waster.

Go find the top 10 mobile websites and you will find almost none of them validate much more than 60%. Try m.facebook.com or m.youtube.com

I tested a bunch of my customers sites and again not validating very well but from customer surveys all working well across numerous platforms and bringing in new clients.

I do agree about the separate pages and reduced graphics size however once again do your due diligence.

This is why we use tables a lot in our templates rather than graphic buttons.

Another thing is I have not found many phones that do not handle JAVA except for some older models and so once again forgoing some great options using java to comply with a very small percentage of phones is just silly.

Always in your marketing go for the majority as you can get sucked into time wasting tweeks that usually don't result in sales because they tend to be for the majority of phones that most people would not even try to look at a website on anyway.

I base most of my actions on surveys with clients and their customers which is always the best way to go.

Quentin

Good Point.

I know that many people access facebook via their mobile device, and so was wondering now that facebook has switched to iframes, how this affects user experience.

Now that I am selling mobile websites, think I will have to invest in a mobile phone, other than my cheap pay as you go !

And will have to remember to remove mobile phone from trouser pocket before putting into washing machine.

Just so much to remember in this life

Quentin · 8th Apr 2011, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by ANKUSH1

I got really excited about providing Mobile ready websites a little while back. When I discovered that a google search on a mobile (android) phone already offers the option of viewing the site in a mobile format I figured business owners may be reluctant to shell out for a service they are receiving for nix.
Am I missing something here?
Please let me know if I am approaching this from the wrong perspective as I think this is a huge market.

Actually it will only deliver a mobile version if it is available. I just did a few searches on my android and certainly no good looking mobile versions have appeared so far. This was through basic google search.

What happens is if you use the google mobile search engine app then you will get nearly all sites that have a mobile page because that is what it is for but if your site does not have a mobile site incorporated in it then its not going to be in there.

Even more reason to tell customers they need to go mobile now.

In other words google is not compiling a mobile site on the fly for every site.

Quentin

TWalker · 8th Apr 2011, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Quentin

Actually it will only deliver a mobile version if it is available. I just did a few searches on my android and certainly no good looking mobile versions have appeared so far. This was through basic google search.

What happens is if you use the google mobile search engine app then you will get nearly all sites that have a mobile page because that is what it is for but if your site does not have a mobile site incorporated in it then its not going to be in there.

Even more reason to tell customers they need to go mobile now.

In other words google is not compiling a mobile site on the fly for every site.

Quentin

Exactly. Since when is Google serving up mobile sites? Thats why we are providing this service because they don't. I don't think the poster understands the difference between a mobile site and a desktop site.

Quentin: I don't think I've thanked you enough for you work on this. Thanks again.

I got really excited about providing Mobile ready websites a little while back. When I discovered that a google search on a mobile (android) phone already offers the option of viewing the site in a mobile format I figured business owners may be reluctant to shell out for a service they are receiving for nix.
Am I missing something here?
Please let me know if I am approaching this from the wrong perspective as I think this is a huge market.

I would love to see where Google is serving up mobile sites. Show us an example.

If thats true not good. But it isn't happening.

Google displays search results and our mobile devices display the sites but mobile sites? No.

It displays web sites and they look bad on mobile devices.

scotth · 8th Apr 2011, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Quentin

Actually it will only deliver a mobile version if it is available. I just did a few searches on my android and certainly no good looking mobile versions have appeared so far. This was through basic google search.

What happens is if you use the google mobile search engine app then you will get nearly all sites that have a mobile page because that is what it is for but if your site does not have a mobile site incorporated in it then its not going to be in there.

Even more reason to tell customers they need to go mobile now.

In other words google is not compiling a mobile site on the fly for every site.

Quentin

What Google app are you using for mobile search? I have Google Search App but if I do a search I still see regular websites...

Nail Yener · 8th Apr 2011, 08:59 AM

I am working on the redirection issue at the moment and I found 3 solutions up to now.

JavaScript, PHP and .htaccess. I will not post the codes as they were already mentioned in the above posts, but if anyone needs them again, please let me know and I can post them again.

Having a "Visit Full Site" button is almost a must for mobile websites, in my designer point of view. So, I have a mobile site and it has "View Full Site" link on its homepage. I implemented the redirection in PHP and it works great. Now, the problem is when I click on the "View Full Site" link, it doesn't send me to full site homepage. It sends to mobile homepage.

Any ideas how to solve this?

Neil B · 8th Apr 2011, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Nail Yener

I am working on the redirection issue at the moment and I found 3 solutions up to now.

JavaScript, PHP and .htaccess. I will not post the codes as they were already mentioned in the above posts, but if anyone needs them again, please let me know and I can post them again.

Having a "Visit Full Site" button is almost a must for mobile websites, in my designer point of view. So, I have a mobile site and it has "View Full Site" link on its homepage. I implemented the redirection in PHP and it works great. Now, the problem is when I click on the "View Full Site" link, it doesn't send me to full site homepage. It sends to mobile homepage.

Any ideas how to solve this?

Hi Nail

This might sound silly but have you checked the redirect url in the PHP code?

Neil

TWalker · 8th Apr 2011, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Nail Yener

I am working on the redirection issue at the moment and I found 3 solutions up to now.

JavaScript, PHP and .htaccess. I will not post the codes as they were already mentioned in the above posts, but if anyone needs them again, please let me know and I can post them again.

Having a "Visit Full Site" button is almost a must for mobile websites, in my designer point of view. So, I have a mobile site and it has "View Full Site" link on its homepage. I implemented the redirection in PHP and it works great. Now, the problem is when I click on the "View Full Site" link, it doesn't send me to full site homepage. It sends to mobile homepage.

Any ideas how to solve this?

What are you viewing it on? If you are viewing on the mobile device and it redirects to mobile that is the way your redirect is set up.

If viewing on PC/desktop and the mobile site is in a subdomain directory it should most definitely view full site.

It is user_agent redirect right?

Nail Yener · 8th Apr 2011, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Neil B

Hi Nail

This might sound silly but have you checked the redirect url in the PHP code?

Neil

Neil, the redirect URL is the mobile site URL. There is nothing wrong with the redirection. The problem is I cannot go to full site from the mobile site.

Originally Posted by TWalker

What are you viewing it on? If you are viewing on the mobile device and it redirects to to mobile that is the way your redirect is set up.

If viewing on PC/desktop and the mobile site is in a subdomain directory it should most definitely view full site.

It is user_agent redirect right?

I am viewing it on a mobile phone (Samsung) and the iPhone preview tool, ibbdemo2 - Cross Platform iPhone and iPad Web Browser Simulator - Google Project Hosting, which acts as if it is a real iPhone and shows mobile versions of sites even when you enter main URL.

For example, FaceBook has something similar, a "Full Site" link on their mobile site and when you click on this link while on a mobile device, it takes you to the full version of FaceBook.

WillR · 8th Apr 2011, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Quentin

You want to be careful getting to hooked up with validations as it can be a real time waster.

Go find the top 10 mobile websites and you will find almost none of them validate much more than 60%. Try m.facebook.com or m.youtube.com

I tested a bunch of my customers sites and again not validating very well but from customer surveys all working well across numerous platforms and bringing in new clients.

I do agree about the separate pages and reduced graphics size however once again do your due diligence.

This is why we use tables a lot in our templates rather than graphic buttons.

Another thing is I have not found many phones that do not handle JAVA except for some older models and so once again forgoing some great options using java to comply with a very small percentage of phones is just silly.

Always in your marketing go for the majority as you can get sucked into time wasting tweeks that usually don't result in sales because they tend to be for the manority of phones that most people would not even try to look at a website on anyway.

I base most of my actions on surveys with clients and their customers which is always the best way to go.

Quentin

m.facebook.com = 84%

m.youtube.com = 63%

They are the web standards for mobile websites. To ignore them is just silly. You can use whatever template you like, no one will stop you from doing so. But if you want your site to work on as many devices as possible then following the web standards for mobile coding is the only way to go.

As i said, majority of the templates I have seen do not follow the basic rules of mobile website coding.

Anyway because of all the requests I am getting, I may try and put a package together over the next few weeks that offer you guys some proper mobile templates you can use for your customers. I havent got much time to spare at the moment but if the need is there then I will try and put together some dirt cheap templates for you.

Time for bed though. Ciao!

rjohnsen · 8th Apr 2011, 12:32 PM

Can't PM, but I'm interested.

ErnieB · 8th Apr 2011, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Nail Yener

Neil, the redirect URL is the mobile site URL. There is nothing wrong with the redirection. The problem is I cannot go to full site from the mobile site.

I am viewing it on a mobile phone (Samsung) and the iPhone preview tool, ibbdemo2 - Cross Platform iPhone and iPad Web Browser Simulator - Google Project Hosting, which acts as if it is a real iPhone and shows mobile versions of sites even when you enter main URL.

For example, FaceBook has something similar, a "Full Site" link on their mobile site and when you click on this link while on a mobile device, it takes you to the full version of FaceBook.

When your clicking to the regular website url the redirection script is kicking in again and redirecting you back to the mobile site. Only way I know around this would be to clone your site in a different directory making sure not to use the redirect script for this one and use that url for the "view full site" url.

Im not a coder but I suppose there may be some way to code it where this doesnt happens but I have no clue.

dericks3 · 8th Apr 2011, 06:13 PM

Guys let me ask this question,
I know alot or most of you physically visit the client in person,which is a huge plus.
What I am wondering is how many of you are strictly doing this over the phone and by email.
I dont have the luxury of face to face client meetings as I live in Peru and would be selling services to the states.
The upside to just using the phone is you can contact alot more people.
Curious on your thoughts.
Thanks
Doug

scotth · 8th Apr 2011, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by dericks3

Guys let me ask this question,
I know alot or most of you physically visit the client in person,which is a huge plus.
What I am wondering is how many of you are strictly doing this over the phone and by email.
I dont have the luxury of face to face client meetings as I live in Peru and would be selling services to the states.
The upside to just using the phone is you can contact alot more people.
Curious on your thoughts.
Thanks
Doug

You can do it by phone and email..there are some pretty good methods you can use to get the value of your offer across to the business owner...its such a visual to the owner seeing the current site vs a mobile so you dont need to meet in person.

John Durham · 8th Apr 2011, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by scotth

You can do it by phone and email..there are some pretty good methods you can use to get the value of your offer across to the business owner...its such a visual to the owner seeing the current site vs a mobile so you dont need to meet in person.

Yeah right, like Scott knows anything... :rolleyes: Sheesh!

JK!

It has been a pleasure watching Scotts Journey here, as well as at TMF, and WOW what an awesome thread. Do you have a WSO bro? If not, pm me, you need one.

scotth · 8th Apr 2011, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by John Durham

Yeah right, like Scott knows anything... :rolleyes: Sheesh!

JK!

It has been a pleasure watching Scotts Journey here, as well as at TMF, and WOW what an awesome thread. Do you have a WSO bro? If not, pm me, you need one.

Hi John,

Thanks brother...you turned me into a crazed man getting all this business all started from cold calling its like a avalanche!

Your the Best John Always consider you top notch true blue mentor and a Real Warrior...you have help be part of many of the people including me in this forum have changed lives! And of course all the contributing veterans at TMF to many to name here..but you all know who you are.

Thanks John,

Scott

Quentin · 9th Apr 2011, 01:28 AM

Hey WillR

I always base my marketing on my customers and their customers input so I will stick with what is working for them rather than chasing validation.

We have tested on 90% of the market and they work well and load fast. This is what I want and no validation will give me the sort of input real people do.

You seem happy to make comments about what we are doing wrong so maybe you could show us some of your mobile sites so we can compare.

Your saying a lot but some proof would help all of us understand more what you are saying.

Quentin

CloptonCapital · 9th Apr 2011, 04:16 AM

Mobile ready sites? We're talking websites right? If so I think with smartphones taking over the concept of "mobile" is going away. A website is a website now.

1fisherman · 9th Apr 2011, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by Nail Yener

I am working on the redirection issue at the moment and I found 3 solutions up to now.

JavaScript, PHP and .htaccess. I will not post the codes as they were already mentioned in the above posts, but if anyone needs them again, please let me know and I can post them again.

Having a "Visit Full Site" button is almost a must for mobile websites, in my designer point of view. So, I have a mobile site and it has "View Full Site" link on its homepage. I implemented the redirection in PHP and it works great. Now, the problem is when I click on the "View Full Site" link, it doesn't send me to full site homepage. It sends to mobile homepage.

Any ideas how to solve this?

Nail,

I don't know what I'm talking about. So I can speak more freely because I'm not hampered by facts...

You should be able to pass a parameter from the mobile site to the full site that will bypass the mobile script. I don't have a clue how to code it but essentially the mobile script would be incased in an if-then statement.

One issue that could come up is if you have the mobile script on all pages of the full site, then the mobile device would be detected when you navigate to a different page and return to the mobile site.

Let us know if you get it to work.

Gregg

PhilJenkins · 9th Apr 2011, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by ADukes81

Thanks you Scott!

I have had some fliers made up and I am ready to canvas the streets! I see HUGE potential in this

ADukeses81,

Rather than make fliers that usually get left on the table at the next eatery or on the floors enroute to the bin, will it not be better(cost-wise and time wise) to use the internet(a website) to target your customers. You can complement this with cold calling and/or telemarketing as well. But, IMO and experience, fliers get you mostly untargeted traffic, if any.

I hope you get results but I am of the opinion that whatever the results they could have been better with a web campaign. You are already a warrior, so there are loads of warriors that can help you with this if you do not have the skills.

Steven Carl Kelly · 9th Apr 2011, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by CloptonCapital

Mobile ready sites? We're talking websites right? If so I think with smartphones taking over the concept of "mobile" is going away. A website is a website now.

Not so fast. I used to believe the same thing, but the fact of the matter is, sites optimized for a large-sized horizontal display like that on a desktop PC or a laptop don't work nearly as well on a smartphone -- even when you turn the phone sideways. Take it from a guy who has developed for both the iPhone and the Android platform (with a little bit of BB thrown in as well).

Can "regular" Web sites work on smartphones? Sure they can... but they work MUCH BETTER if they've been optimized for mobile devices. In fact, the difference is night and day... and when you show a business owner a regular site on your mobile and then show him an OPTIMIZED FOR MOBILE version of his site, he will quickly understand why he needs the mobile version.

In fact, a GREAT technique that we're using (shhhh, don't tell anyone) is to do a functionally limited mock-up of a mobile version of their own site. That way we can show the business owner: "Here's what your site looks like on a phone... but here's what your site COULD look like on a phone... just give us the go-ahead (and the money) to finish the job".

dericks3 · 9th Apr 2011, 09:17 AM

"there are some pretty good methods you can use to get the value of your offer across to the business owner"

Does Quentins wso go into this in depth? Or is it more about the technical side of mobile applications.

I am more interested in the selling end of this for myself and would hire someone to actually make the mobile sites for the clients.(Using this wso)

PhilJenkins · 9th Apr 2011, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by scotth

Screenshots of what?...its a shrink to fit script...you have lots of flexibility to design any site to mobile.

This is s really long thread, but well done for your effort, Scott. I f I understand, Was it John D who said you were doing this for free. Well done again.

Now questions,

You say in the above quoted statement that it is a shrink to fit script. I interprete this to mean that it is adjusting or modifying the original website automatically. if this is the case, why does Quentin say that he is building a new site -at least that is how it comes across to me. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Secondly - Does this work on ALL smartphones: Iphone, BB, Nokia, Samsung, LG, Sony Ericsson, etc

Thanks

Quentin · 9th Apr 2011, 09:32 AM

Derick we use a very similar system that Steven mentioned.

We build a mock site and then use a QR code to show to the site to the customer.

Its a short demo that is working very well for us.

abdulsanni that is what the script does. Modifies the site so it shrinks and fits any mobile phone. Obviously we aim at the smart phone market but I have checked on some non smartphones and while the phones resolution is not that good they still work.

Not to sure what I said but each mobile site is a new one.

Quentin

PhilJenkins · 9th Apr 2011, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by WillR

Exactly. I think you should do basic SEO on any webpages you put online.

I'm not certain how exactly they determine a website has a mobile version available however I have seen those green phone icons for months now so it isn't just something new.

I saw a recent video from Google themselves, can't remember where it is anymore, but they said it was fine to put the mobile version of your website in a subdomain such as m.mywebsite.com and that they are now advanced enough to know when you have a mobile version and they won't look at it as any kind of duplicate content - they will look at them as separate sites meant for different purposes.

I think they also said it was alright to redirect to a .mobi domain but don't quote me on that. I just follow what the big sites are all doing as Google will have to adjust to them. Most of the big sites like Twitter, Wikipedia, Facebook, ebay, etc all have mobile versions and all have them installed in subdomains or subfolders on the same domain. I think this is probably a better option than putting the mobile site on a separate domain. Keep it all in the one place that way it makes a lot more sense to Google.

The video you referred to is somewhere in this longest of long threads. It was by M Cutts. He advised using the 'm.' subdomain. I can't reacll what he said about the .mobi ir saying anything at all for that matter- don't quote me tho. Been a long read.

Abdul.

PhilJenkins · 9th Apr 2011, 10:12 AM

Thanks for this interesting piece. What is the source or is it an amalgamation of various reports?

Originally Posted by scotth

Here is some compelling information why business owners need to be mobilized....

With the New Year in full swing, so too is the debate about what will be hot and not. To offer my two cents' worth, here's a list of what I predict will be the most significant developments in mobile marketing for 2011 and beyond, all with far reaching implications for retailers and consumers alike.

1. The mobile site will become the new website
Gartner predicts that in three years, more people will access the internet through their mobile phones than through their PCs. More than 50 per cent of consumers are unlikely to return to your site if they have a poor mobile experience, and 40 per cent would go to a competitor’s site instead, according to an October 2009 study of consumers’ mobile web experiences by Equation Research on behalf of Gomez, Inc.
Most retailers are going to be better off focusing on a mobile website first instead of a Smartphone application. A mobile website is well-suited for mobile shopping, is typically less expensive to develop, and can reach more end users with one site than multiple applications.
Gartner estimates that over 85 per cent of handsets shipped globally in 2011 will include a mobile browser. With mobile web traffic having grown 500 per cent in the last two years, according to Google CFO Patrick Pichette, having a mobile site is now a necessity.

2. Shoppers will increasingly favour technology over human interaction
As mobile internet speeds catch up to consumer demand, it will be faster to scan a barcode or check a mobile website for product information than it will be to ask a shop owner. Beyond actually purchasing goods through mobile, studies show that the most popular in-store mobile activities include competitive price shopping, checking inventory, shopping list/basket management, and getting directions to local retailers.

3. Mobile commerce will come of age
Consumers are spending more than five hours a week on the mobile web and companies like Amazon and eBay are generating over billion in sales through their mobile channels. Reaching customers through traditional channels only is becoming increasingly difficult. Launching a mobile website offers a much higher return on investment than opening a new bricks-and-mortar store with overheads, staff costs and inventory.

4. Mobile coupons will become more relevant
According to an Sterling Commerce and Demandware report released in August 2010, a quarter of shoppers believe that receiving specials and promotions such as coupons would be an important use for their mobile phone when shopping.The future of mobile marketing is all about one-to-one communication and as retailers embrace this more personalised approach, mobile coupons will be viewed less as advertising material and more as a value add to their shopping experience.

5. SMS will go beyond marketing
The use of SMS as a mobile marketing tactic will proliferate further into customer service and customer lifecycle management. This is already evident with companies and organisations using SMS to remind customers in advance of appointments and banks advising customers when they reach their overdraft limits. 2ergo’s clients have also used text messaging to gather instant feedback through SMS surveys, as well as offering self-help menu trees that direct users to the information they need through a few simple SMS Q&As. SMS is often seen as being much less intrusive and more convenient than a phone call.

6. Retailers will capitalise on mobile at every stage of the customer lifecycle
Mobile can be strategically used to acquire new customers, service existing customers, drive repeat business and strengthen customer loyalty. Of course, retail marketers should not think of mobile marketing in a silo. It should be integrated with existing marketing strategies and campaigns.

7. Smartphone apps will enable enhanced location awareness
By the end of 2011, Gartner sees over 75 per cent of devices shipped in mature markets including a GPS, and others using Wi-Fi and cell ID systems to identify location. The widespread use of these location-aware handsets will enable retailers to reap the benefits of tracking and targeting customers based on their locations. More retailers will turn to platform-specific Smartphone apps to deliver enhanced experiences and push marketing communications such as coupons and offers that are based on the customer’s current location and personal preferences.

8. QR codes will make offline marketing mobile
Expect QR (Quick Response) Codes to play a big role in the future of retail, due to the inherent ability to serve up rich content to people on the go. The QR Code is a two-dimensional barcode (readable by QR scanners, mobile phones with cameras and Smartphones) connecting the physical world with digital content. The code can be encoded with a mobile URL, text or any other data or action. QR Codes will increasingly be placed in traditional print advertising, billboards, paper cups, T-shirts, receipts, signs, etc. With the snap of their camera-equipped phone, consumers will connect from an offline medium to a mobile or digital medium such as a mobile site, image or video clip. They can also be encoded to send a coupon or an SMS to your phone.

9. Small retailers will be able to do mobile
Cost-effective “software as a service” mobile marketing tools are coming to market and will bring mobile within reach for the small retailer. Features and programs such as location recognition services, m-commerce and SMS-based couponing will allow small retailers to compete head-to-head with their larger competitors for consumers’ loyalty and wallet.

10. Most effective campaigns will be multi-channel
The word is getting out that multi-channel shoppers tend to purchase more – a factor Adobe Scene 7 Mobile Commerce Survey in April last year revealed. Retailers must engage consumers with consistent, rich experiences across all channels to maintain and grow revenue. For marketers to most effectively discover the key insights into customer behaviour they will need to take into account various elements including web and mobile analytics, customer relationship management, social networks tracking, and e-commerce platforms. So as I get ready to step away from my crystal ball and you look towards the year ahead, if you are to embrace the opportunities that mobile can bring to your overall marketing mix, it is set to be a good year.

PhilJenkins · 9th Apr 2011, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by dericks3

Guys let me ask this question,
I know alot or most of you physically visit the client in person,which is a huge plus.
What I am wondering is how many of you are strictly doing this over the phone and by email.
I dont have the luxury of face to face client meetings as I live in Peru and would be selling services to the states.
The upside to just using the phone is you can contact alot more people.
Curious on your thoughts.
Thanks
Doug

It will work but you have to take the pros with the cons. Not being able to do face to face appointments will mean you have lower conversion ratio's but this is offset by the fact that you can contact a LOT more people than if you physically had to see your prospects. You have to be ready to deal with the increased rejection rates as it comes with the territory. Some people take this as a personal rejection but it is not the case.

Also, you can create a mock up of the home page as suggested earlier in this thread and send a link, asking them to take a look at it.

scotth · 9th Apr 2011, 10:50 AM

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PhilJenkins · 9th Apr 2011, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Quentin

Derick we use a very similar system that Steven mentioned.

We build a mock site and then use a QR code to show to the site to the customer.

Its a short demo that is working very well for us.

abdulsanni that is what the script does. Modifies the site so it shrinks and fits any mobile phone. Obviously we aim at the smart phone market but I have checked on some non smartphones and while the phones resolution is not that good they still work.

Not to sure what I said but each mobile site is a new one.

Quentin

Thanks but i meant is it basically shrinking the original website, or you are creating a new different website? I got confused along the line.

scotth · 9th Apr 2011, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by abdulsanni

Thanks but i meant is it basically shrinking the original website, or you are creating a new different website? I got confused along the line.

Your creating a different looking web site from the original

my very first client:

ele-ela.com

m.ele-ela.com

7th Apr 2011, 12:35 PM	#401
Quentin Web Marketing For Profit War Room Member Join Date: 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 2,894 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1,162 Times in 528 Posts Blog Entries: 10	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: The thing I found with apps especially with apple is they reject a lot and do not allow duplicates. We put in a fair bit of time developing an app for mechanics and and others in that niche with the idea of branding it but after the first couple apple started to reject the app. Quentin
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7th Apr 2011, 02:04 PM	#403
zone New Warrior Member Join Date: 2006 Location: , , USA. Posts: 9 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: I have been having real good success since applying the information from this thread. I have gotten 3 new clients to design mobile versions of their current site. I am finding that business owners are very receptive to mobile anything...my next add on to this growing market is SMS I think mobile design and SMS go hand in hand.

7th Apr 2011, 07:22 PM	#404
sb HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2003 Location: , , USA. Posts: 403 Thanks: 194 Thanked 155 Times in 93 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: 10 Thumbs Up for Quentin's Mobile Website Builder! Very, VERY cool training system with everything you need to know and do, plus free (funny, I always want to type free or something) tools to create spectacular mobile sites fast, with ease. Some excellent marketing strategies too. I'm not even through half of the video tutorials yet either. This is EASILY worth twice the regular asking price, NO B.S. or hype, IMO. THANK YOU Scott, Quentin and everyone else who has contributed to this thread with questions and answers. Killer stuff! KA-CHINGGG!!!*

7th Apr 2011, 08:28 PM	#405
WillR Digital Marketer War Room Member Join Date: 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 12,472 Thanks: 1,984 Thanked 8,187 Times in 4,079 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Just another quick tip guys in regards to building the actual mobile sites. I have seen a lot of mobile templates floating around this forum and other sites and I keep seeing the same mistakes being made over and over with these templates. In fact, I don't think I have come across a proper mobile template as of yet. If you are unsure how good your template will work on mobile devices then go to the official W3C mobile website validation site and enter the url of your mobile site and see what score it gives you: http://validator.w3.org/mobile/ Most of my mobile sites have a score of a little over 90%. If your mobile site is scoring anything lower than about 75% then you have problems that need to be addressed before you continue. You can't just build a mobile site along the same lines of a regular website and expect everything to be ok and work on all phones. The whole purpose of having a mobile website is so all important information about your business is quickly and easily accessible on as many mobile devices as possible. Here are the biggest mistakes I keep seeing: - There are several templates using a drop down type menu system. There are several problems with these types of menus. Firstly it means every page of your website loads whenever someone goes to your mobile site. This means your homepage is huge and will take forever for someone to download which goes against the whole point of having a mobile site. Each page of your site should be on a separate page to help keep your file sizes really low. For example on my mobile sites the average homepage is around 4kb - 10kb. On some of these drop down templates the homepage is over 70kb! People are going to give up before a page like that ever has a chance to load on their device. The other problem with these types of menus is they require javascript to work which a lot of phones still do not support. You should try and steer clear of having to use any type of javascript on your sites. You should only ever use scripts that are absolutely necessary like the mobile detection script and always have a message that displays to those who do not have javascript enabled. - I still see a lot of people using PNG images on their mobile sites. The web standards for mobile sites specifically state that you should only use jpg or gif image formats for best performance. There are still a lot of mobile browsers that do not support PNG images. Once again, a png image is also going to slow down your site a lot more anyway so you don't want to use them. - I have seen people (even the standard weebly mobile sites) using iframes to serve up content like Google maps and other on the fly information. This is a big no no. Iframes should not be used on mobile websites period. As I mentioned in another post above, if you want to include something like a Google map then do so by using a simple image and then link to the actual map on Google so users can still access it if they want to. Iframes will not work on a lot of mobile phones, Blackberries included. - People are still putting links too close together. If you have several links on a page they should not be on two consecutive lines. People with touch screen phones are going to find it very hard to click on each separate link. All links should be nice and BIG and spread apart from one another as much as possible. - People using popups or the rel="nofollow" target="_blank" tag for their links. Once again this is a big no no. If you want to link to an external source then do so normally without the open in a new window tag. A lot of devices will not know how to handle such a tag and they will only cause confusion for the end user. - People using images that resize dependent on the device screen size. I don't like this type of setup because firstly I do not see a need for it and secondly, it slows down the loading of the mobile site yet again. Whenever you don't use a definite height and width tag for your images it will slow down the page load and this is not something we want to do. Most mobile website designs are set up to have a minimum width of 320 pixels. So simply create your images with a width of around 280px and they will be fine. People using a normal browser can still view those images clearly and people using a mobile device can also. These are just a few of the common mistakes I see people make over and over. There are also a lot of actual html and css coding issues I keep seeing but haven't got time to go into them at the moment. Remember, if you don't follow the proper rules and standards for effective mobile website coding then you may as well just keep the regular website and scrap the mobile one altogether. I can not stress this enough. The purpose of building a mobile website is to improve the end users experience when they are accessing your website through a mobile device. This means you want quick loading pages with content that will work on any device. I hope this helps.
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7th Apr 2011, 08:59 PM	#406
ADukes81 Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2010 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 719 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 424 Times in 251 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: I don't even want to share my score I got on that site. FAIL! back to the drawing board
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7th Apr 2011, 09:40 PM	#408
ErnieB HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 322 Thanks: 75 Thanked 55 Times in 42 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: How do I get my header image a smaller file size? Its almost 47kb by itself, lol ( it is now a jpg and is 340X120 in size ) EDIT: Even changing the header image to the 280px wide recommended still leaves it at 27kb.

7th Apr 2011, 10:00 PM	#410
ErnieB HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 322 Thanks: 75 Thanked 55 Times in 42 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Wow, thanks for that website share. Thats a cool site to use. I was able to get the header image down to 7-9kb while still looking pretty decent. About a 60-70% reduction!

7th Apr 2011, 10:08 PM	#412
TWalker HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2010 Posts: 316 Thanks: 39 Thanked 48 Times in 31 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Heads up on the W3C Validator. I got an 85 on the one I made. The second one I checked I know it was wrong. It gave me the information for the desktop site and it was a Wordpress Mobile Pack which should have scored higher than the first. (no images at all) So when you run your site through there be sure it checks the right site. The first was in a subdomain so there was no mistaking what it was checking. The second was a redirect to Mobile Pack theme. It obviously doesn't detect redirects or didn't detect mine. If I had time I would do some more accurate checking by changing the theme. Tomorrow I will. ________________ Update: I did put my WP strictly on mobile and the W3C gave some pretty outrageous info. It said my mobile site was aprox: 40 times larger than it is. Not right. Interesting. Not sure why but W3C is off somewhere I'm pretty sure and not my site.

7th Apr 2011, 10:21 PM	#414
TWalker HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2010 Posts: 316 Thanks: 39 Thanked 48 Times in 31 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: This is strictly CSS 10.2k. Very small and well designed, in fact it needs more graphics. Alot of non-wp sites are poorly designed. These particular themes have a lot of development behind them so i would trust them more than a typical mobile template. But like I said I will investigate further why W3C reported as it did.

8th Apr 2011, 12:47 AM	#417
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8th Apr 2011, 03:06 AM	#418
mark12jon Warrior Member Join Date: 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Mobile Ready Websites big business in our local market! Share on: Mobile marketing is only just beginning. Lots of money to be made with it.
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8th Apr 2011, 03:16 AM	#419
eyesocialize HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2010 Posts: 345 Thanks: 125 Thanked 79 Times in 64 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Here is another good validator guys http://www.mobiready.com.

8th Apr 2011, 04:01 AM	#420
Quentin Web Marketing For Profit War Room Member Join Date: 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 2,894 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1,162 Times in 528 Posts Blog Entries: 10	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: You want to be careful getting to hooked up with validations as it can be a real time waster. Go find the top 10 mobile websites and you will find almost none of them validate much more than 60%. Try m.facebook.com or m.youtube.com I tested a bunch of my customers sites and again not validating very well but from customer surveys all working well across numerous platforms and bringing in new clients. I do agree about the separate pages and reduced graphics size however once again do your due diligence. This is why we use tables a lot in our templates rather than graphic buttons. Another thing is I have not found many phones that do not handle JAVA except for some older models and so once again forgoing some great options using java to comply with a very small percentage of phones is just silly. Always in your marketing go for the majority as you can get sucked into time wasting tweeks that usually don't result in sales because they tend to be for the manority of phones that most people would not even try to look at a website on anyway. I base most of my actions on surveys with clients and their customers which is always the best way to go. Quentin
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8th Apr 2011, 04:12 AM	#421
ANKUSH1 Warrior Member Join Date: 2011 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: I got really excited about providing Mobile ready websites a little while back. When I discovered that a google search on a mobile (android) phone already offers the option of viewing the site in a mobile format I figured business owners may be reluctant to shell out for a service they are receiving for nix. Am I missing something here? Please let me know if I am approaching this from the wrong perspective as I think this is a huge market.
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8th Apr 2011, 08:59 AM	#426
Nail Yener You reap what you sow. War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: Sometimes you don't. Posts: 1,078 Thanks: 196 Thanked 411 Times in 243 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: I am working on the redirection issue at the moment and I found 3 solutions up to now. JavaScript, PHP and .htaccess. I will not post the codes as they were already mentioned in the above posts, but if anyone needs them again, please let me know and I can post them again. Having a "Visit Full Site" button is almost a must for mobile websites, in my designer point of view. So, I have a mobile site and it has "View Full Site" link on its homepage. I implemented the redirection in PHP and it works great. Now, the problem is when I click on the "View Full Site" link, it doesn't send me to full site homepage. It sends to mobile homepage. Any ideas how to solve this?

8th Apr 2011, 12:32 PM	#431
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8th Apr 2011, 06:13 PM	#433
dericks3 HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Posts: 215 Thanks: 4 Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Guys let me ask this question, I know alot or most of you physically visit the client in person,which is a huge plus. What I am wondering is how many of you are strictly doing this over the phone and by email. I dont have the luxury of face to face client meetings as I live in Peru and would be selling services to the states. The upside to just using the phone is you can contact alot more people. Curious on your thoughts. Thanks Doug

9th Apr 2011, 01:28 AM	#437
Quentin Web Marketing For Profit War Room Member Join Date: 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 2,894 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1,162 Times in 528 Posts Blog Entries: 10	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Hey WillR I always base my marketing on my customers and their customers input so I will stick with what is working for them rather than chasing validation. We have tested on 90% of the market and they work well and load fast. This is what I want and no validation will give me the sort of input real people do. You seem happy to make comments about what we are doing wrong so maybe you could show us some of your mobile sites so we can compare. Your saying a lot but some proof would help all of us understand more what you are saying. Quentin
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9th Apr 2011, 04:16 AM	#438
CloptonCapital Warrior Member Join Date: 2011 Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Mobile ready sites? We're talking websites right? If so I think with smartphones taking over the concept of "mobile" is going away. A website is a website now.
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9th Apr 2011, 09:17 AM	#442
dericks3 HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Posts: 215 Thanks: 4 Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: "there are some pretty good methods you can use to get the value of your offer across to the business owner" Does Quentins wso go into this in depth? Or is it more about the technical side of mobile applications. I am more interested in the selling end of this for myself and would hire someone to actually make the mobile sites for the clients.(Using this wso)

9th Apr 2011, 09:32 AM	#444
Quentin Web Marketing For Profit War Room Member Join Date: 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 2,894 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1,162 Times in 528 Posts Blog Entries: 10	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Derick we use a very similar system that Steven mentioned. We build a mock site and then use a QR code to show to the site to the customer. Its a short demo that is working very well for us. abdulsanni that is what the script does. Modifies the site so it shrinks and fits any mobile phone. Obviously we aim at the smart phone market but I have checked on some non smartphones and while the phones resolution is not that good they still work. Not to sure what I said but each mobile site is a new one. Quentin
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9th Apr 2011, 10:50 AM	#448
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